[libreoffice-marketing] Interesting FOSDEM DevRooms
Call for papers of interesting DevRooms for our volunteers: Collaborative information and content management application devroom https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2018q4/002774.html Legal and Policy Issues DevRoom https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2018q4/002773.html Open Source Design devroom https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2018q4/002746.html Tool the Docs DevRoom (documentation editors) https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2018q4/002798.html Community DevRoom https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2018q4/002776.html -- Italo Vignoli - Marketing & PR -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: marketing+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy
[libreoffice-marketing] interesting...
http://news.cnet.com/One-citys-move-to-open-source/2100-7344_3-5924184.html http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/news/absent-interoperability-desktop-applications-locks-mannheim-city mainly: https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/news/basque-country-wants-european-directive-reuse-software -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Grrr, still shifting to OOo and not LibreOffice... Is anybody in touch with this guy already ? On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Paolo Debortoli paolo_debort...@yahoo.comwrote: http://news.cnet.com/One-citys-move-to-open-source/2100-7344_3-5924184.html http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/news/absent-interoperability-desktop-applications-locks-mannheim-city mainly: https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/news/basque-country-wants-european-directive-reuse-software -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- *Monfort Florian* BM2 Student at France Business School Marketing Apprentice at Red Hat Marketing Team Member at The Document Foundation florian.monf...@gmail.com Mobile : +33 6 58 97 15 61 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On 11/27/12 2:48 PM, Paolo Debortoli wrote: http://news.cnet.com/One-citys-move-to-open-source/2100-7344_3-5924184.html This happened in 2005, but they failed because of their poor strategy. When migrations are not managed in the proper way, they are bound to failure. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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One article was in 2005 and the other was less than a year ago. So OOo was out in 2005 and was not as good working with MSO files as LO is now. The real issue is the proprietary software/files in the things like Enterprise level database and mail systems. The newer of the two articles seems not to indicate anything about the standard PC office package for the city. They may have found a way to use an open standard office package, but only reported the problems with the Enterprise open-source issues. Still, it is interesting that the movement to open-source packages and/or ODF was being looked into as early as 2005. That would indicate that for over 7 years, companies have been working on the movement towards open formats and open-source packages. We can surely say that it is not a new thing that has come out in the past 2 or 3 years. On 11/27/2012 08:55 AM, Florian Monfort wrote: Grrr, still shifting to OOo and not LibreOffice... Is anybody in touch with this guy already ? On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Paolo Debortoli paolo_debort...@yahoo.comwrote: http://news.cnet.com/One-citys-move-to-open-source/2100-7344_3-5924184.html http://joinup.ec.europa.eu/news/absent-interoperability-desktop-applications-locks-mannheim-city mainly: https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/news/basque-country-wants-european-directive-reuse-software -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On 11/27/12 4:22 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: The real issue is the proprietary software/files in the things like Enterprise level database and mail systems. The newer of the two articles seems not to indicate anything about the standard PC office package for the city. They may have found a way to use an open standard office package, but only reported the problems with the Enterprise open-source issues. Forget about any open standard: they use Windows and Microsoft Office. They were supposed to switch to Linux, but they have miserably missed because of poor planning and lack of communication. Still, it is interesting that the movement to open-source packages and/or ODF was being looked into as early as 2005. That would indicate that for over 7 years, companies have been working on the movement towards open formats and open-source packages. We can surely say that it is not a new thing that has come out in the past 2 or 3 years. Unfortunately, this also means that Microsoft has lobbied against ODF and open formats for the same amount of time. They have started when Massachusetts has chosen ODF as default format, and have managed to replace the state CIO who made the decision. -- Italo Vignoli - italo.vign...@gmail.com mob +39.348.5653829 - VoIP 5316...@messagenet.it skype italovignoli - gtalk italo.vign...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Interesting Article
You can have similar problems when using very old along with very new versions of Office as well. Doesn't the German govt. have IT people who look into these things? On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 11:51 PM, goldf...@aol.in wrote: http://www.cio.com/article/721826/German_City_Says_Openoffice_Shortcomings_Are_Forcing_it_Back_to_Microsoft German City Says Openoffice Shortcomings Are Forcing it Back to Microsoft But open source developers say the council should still consider a quick upgrade to OpenOffice or LibreOffice 1 Comment By Loek Essers Fri, November 16, 2012 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Interesting Article
On 11/17/2012 08:42 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote: The issue is connected to a large number of different factors: Microsoft lobby, migration project managed in a questionable way, lack of commitment to true open and standard formats, and lack of management support. The reality is that a migration project without professional and certified value added support, from internal or external resources, is bound to failure (and not because of the software). Another issue with large migration projects is that the users' skill sets vary widely and often user training/hand-holding is not included to the extent needed. One of the complaints people had with MSO ribbon and with the new Windows 8 interface is not that they work but that they were conceptually very different from what people are using now. Many users will need some training/hand-holding to make the transition; the less skilled will probably need more than the IT gurus. The real problem is whether the migration project was well supported and well planned. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-marketing] Interesting Article
http://www.cio.com/article/721826/German_City_Says_Openoffice_Shortcomings_Are_Forcing_it_Back_to_Microsoft German City Says Openoffice Shortcomings Are Forcing it Back to Microsoft But open source developers say the council should still consider a quick upgrade to OpenOffice or LibreOffice 1 Comment By Loek Essers Fri, November 16, 2012 -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Interesting
On 6/9/11 3:07 AM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: I wonder what really is going with the first 2 links listed. Links to articles are just FYI, and are not supposed to start another discussion. They express opinions of journalists and companies, and reflect outside perceptions. It is rather important to know them, but I don't see any reason to comment here, as the journalists are not reading. -- Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com mobile +39.348.5653829 VoIP +39.02.320621813 skype italovignoli -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On 06/09/2011 04:20 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 6/9/11 3:07 AM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote: I wonder what really is going with the first 2 links listed. Links to articles are just FYI, and are not supposed to start another discussion. They express opinions of journalists and companies, and reflect outside perceptions. It is rather important to know them, but I don't see any reason to comment here, as the journalists are not reading. OK I thought you wanted comments on what they stated. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Hi :) This notion of bad blood between LO and OOo Communities seems completely the opposite of what i have seen so far. Interesting articles but i don't entirely agree with everything of course. I tried to post a comment for the IT World one Hi :) All good except I don't think there is bad blood between the OpenOffice Community and LibreOffice Community. On the contrary they seem to work together well and happily. The problem has been the owners of OpenOffice. Oracle were unable to block collaboration between the 2 communities as they were unable to break the tight links of friendships and camaraderie that has built-up over 10years and more. In many ways it is still 1 community but now with 2 products and a large influx of new people doing great work. Regards from Tom :) Regards from Tom :) From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com To: market...@libreoffice.org Sent: Thu, 9 June, 2011 2:07:01 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Interesting On 06/08/2011 05:05 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: Brian Proffitt http://www.itworld.com/software/172393/plea-save-openofficeorg-apache mentioning http://keithcu.com/wordpress/?p=2567 Steven Vaughan-Nichols http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/libreoffice-motors-right-along-with-a-new-release/9048 8 I wonder what really is going with the first 2 links listed. Something does not make sense to me. Is he for and against the vote being yes or no. I have not sure who is voting and on what. Is it that OOo is going to Apache or is it the license issue[s]? Some of the blog's list seems to swing both ways. I just do not know what is actually being said. For me, I did not know about the Java vs. Python issues between OOo and LO. Since I have been out of the programming field for many years, I do not know why Python might be the better way of dealing with the code base for LO instead of using Java. So beyond the people who can tell me why it was done, it would make sense for the future of sharing code between the two projects to use the same coding resources. The thing to me is that LO coders have done a lot of things to fix the code that Oracle [and maybe Sun] could not do with their paid people. You cannot pay people to rewrite the old code and still see it as progress in the project's development. If you are not being paid, you will look at the old code and say this is where some problems are and it need to be fixed, so it is now going to be fixed. So LO coders have recoded parts of what came from OOo and made it better. They are still doing this, along with adding to the suite. That is what I found so interesting with some of the early articles about the difference between OOo 3.3.0 and LO 3.3.0. TDF/LO fixed a lot of things that Oracle/OOo did not bother to do and still TDF/LO put out a better version and sooner than Oracle/OOo did. TDF/LO is still working to put out a better product as well as fixing all that code that was not worth fixing and was what other parts of the suite was built upon. The old saying of building a house on a foundation of sand is a good one. TDF/LO are working on replacing the foundation of sand with something that is more solid. That is what I understand is the real benefit of TDF/LO over Oracle/OOo and that is what I wonder about for the Apache/OOo work to come. Will Apache want to spend the time, money, and manpower to fix the foundation[s] of OOo code the way TDF/LO has done and will continue to do. How long will house fall down and crash if the foundation is not made more solid? Then there is fact that if TDF/LO continues to take the market share away from OOo, how long will Apache want to continue with it. Oracle sure dumped OOo quickly when articles announced that LO was better than OOo and most Linux distros went with LO as their default over OOo, which was the default for how many years? My opinion is that if Apache does not put the manpower [i.e. a lot of money] into their OOo project, it will die a bad death. But, what company can spend its manpower, even if it is free, on one more project that takes it away from their core project/product. TDF only project/product is LO and all its resources, manpower and money, is dedicated to making this project the best office suite it can be. Apache has other projects that are more important to it than OOo. That can be a bad thing. So, for me, I went from OOo to LO and am doing all I can to get people to switch to it. I think it is a better product. I think it is the right thing to do by fixing the old code that other code may use or need, and get rid of the code that no longer is used but still in the lines of code that is used in the compiling process. It could have been great if LO got OOo's branding so LO could continue on with making LO better and better and bring OOo along with all that better coding being shared
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Interesting
From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions webmas...@krackedpress.com To: market...@libreoffice.org Sent: Thu, 9 June, 2011 2:07:01 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Interesting On 06/08/2011 05:05 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: Brian Proffitt http://www.itworld.com/software/172393/plea-save-openofficeorg-apache mentioning http://keithcu.com/wordpress/?p=2567 Steven Vaughan-Nichols http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/libreoffice-motors-right-along-with-a-new-release/9048 8 I wonder what really is going with the first 2 links listed. Something does not make sense to me. Is he for and against the vote being yes or no. I have not sure who is voting and on what. Is it that OOo is going to Apache or is it the license issue[s]? Some of the blog's list seems to swing both ways. I just do not know what is actually being said. For me, I did not know about the Java vs. Python issues between OOo and LO. Since I have been out of the programming field for many years, I do not know why Python might be the better way of dealing with the code base for LO instead of using Java. So beyond the people who can tell me why it was done, it would make sense for the future of sharing code between the two projects to use the same coding resources. The thing to me is that LO coders have done a lot of things to fix the code that Oracle [and maybe Sun] could not do with their paid people. You cannot pay people to rewrite the old code and still see it as progress in the project's development. If you are not being paid, you will look at the old code and say this is where some problems are and it need to be fixed, so it is now going to be fixed. So LO coders have recoded parts of what came from OOo and made it better. They are still doing this, along with adding to the suite. That is what I found so interesting with some of the early articles about the difference between OOo 3.3.0 and LO 3.3.0. TDF/LO fixed a lot of things that Oracle/OOo did not bother to do and still TDF/LO put out a better version and sooner than Oracle/OOo did. TDF/LO is still working to put out a better product as well as fixing all that code that was not worth fixing and was what other parts of the suite was built upon. The old saying of building a house on a foundation of sand is a good one. TDF/LO are working on replacing the foundation of sand with something that is more solid. That is what I understand is the real benefit of TDF/LO over Oracle/OOo and that is what I wonder about for the Apache/OOo work to come. Will Apache want to spend the time, money, and manpower to fix the foundation[s] of OOo code the way TDF/LO has done and will continue to do. How long will house fall down and crash if the foundation is not made more solid? Then there is fact that if TDF/LO continues to take the market share away from OOo, how long will Apache want to continue with it. Oracle sure dumped OOo quickly when articles announced that LO was better than OOo and most Linux distros went with LO as their default over OOo, which was the default for how many years? My opinion is that if Apache does not put the manpower [i.e. a lot of money] into their OOo project, it will die a bad death. But, what company can spend its manpower, even if it is free, on one more project that takes it away from their core project/product. TDF only project/product is LO and all its resources, manpower and money, is dedicated to making this project the best office suite it can be. Apache has other projects that are more important to it than OOo. That can be a bad thing. So, for me, I went from OOo to LO and am doing all I can to get people to switch to it. I think it is a better product. I think it is the right thing to do by fixing the old code that other code may use or need, and get rid of the code that no longer is used but still in the lines of code that is used in the compiling process. It could have been great if LO got OOo's branding so LO could continue on with making LO better and better and bring OOo along with all that better coding being shared back and forth freely and easily. In the end, if LO and OOo end up unable to share all of its fixes and advances, one of the suites will end up far behind. I do not think it will be LO. Hi :) +1 Perhaps this would make a good article in it's own right? I think one reason for moving to Python is that Java is proprietary and buggy. Ok, 2 reasons ... Regards from Tom :) -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@global.libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Interesting
On 06/08/2011 05:05 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: Brian Proffitt http://www.itworld.com/software/172393/plea-save-openofficeorg-apache mentioning http://keithcu.com/wordpress/?p=2567 Steven Vaughan-Nichols http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/libreoffice-motors-right-along-with-a-new-release/9048 I wonder what really is going with the first 2 links listed. Something does not make sense to me. Is he for and against the vote being yes or no. I have not sure who is voting and on what. Is it that OOo is going to Apache or is it the license issue[s]? Some of the blog's list seems to swing both ways. I just do not know what is actually being said. For me, I did not know about the Java vs. Python issues between OOo and LO. Since I have been out of the programming field for many years, I do not know why Python might be the better way of dealing with the code base for LO instead of using Java. So beyond the people who can tell me why it was done, it would make sense for the future of sharing code between the two projects to use the same coding resources. The thing to me is that LO coders have done a lot of things to fix the code that Oracle [and maybe Sun] could not do with their paid people. You cannot pay people to rewrite the old code and still see it as progress in the project's development. If you are not being paid, you will look at the old code and say this is where some problems are and it need to be fixed, so it is now going to be fixed. So LO coders have recoded parts of what came from OOo and made it better. They are still doing this, along with adding to the suite. That is what I found so interesting with some of the early articles about the difference between OOo 3.3.0 and LO 3.3.0. TDF/LO fixed a lot of things that Oracle/OOo did not bother to do and still TDF/LO put out a better version and sooner than Oracle/OOo did. TDF/LO is still working to put out a better product as well as fixing all that code that was not worth fixing and was what other parts of the suite was built upon. The old saying of building a house on a foundation of sand is a good one. TDF/LO are working on replacing the foundation of sand with something that is more solid. That is what I understand is the real benefit of TDF/LO over Oracle/OOo and that is what I wonder about for the Apache/OOo work to come. Will Apache want to spend the time, money, and manpower to fix the foundation[s] of OOo code the way TDF/LO has done and will continue to do. How long will house fall down and crash if the foundation is not made more solid? Then there is fact that if TDF/LO continues to take the market share away from OOo, how long will Apache want to continue with it. Oracle sure dumped OOo quickly when articles announced that LO was better than OOo and most Linux distros went with LO as their default over OOo, which was the default for how many years? My opinion is that if Apache does not put the manpower [i.e. a lot of money] into their OOo project, it will die a bad death. But, what company can spend its manpower, even if it is free, on one more project that takes it away from their core project/product. TDF only project/product is LO and all its resources, manpower and money, is dedicated to making this project the best office suite it can be. Apache has other projects that are more important to it than OOo. That can be a bad thing. So, for me, I went from OOo to LO and am doing all I can to get people to switch to it. I think it is a better product. I think it is the right thing to do by fixing the old code that other code may use or need, and get rid of the code that no longer is used but still in the lines of code that is used in the compiling process. It could have been great if LO got OOo's branding so LO could continue on with making LO better and better and bring OOo along with all that better coding being shared back and forth freely and easily. In the end, if LO and OOo end up unable to share all of its fixes and advances, one of the suites will end up far behind. I do not think it will be LO. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/marketing/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
