Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Yes that was right. That kids work is now famous on the internet :-) This was partly what inspired the INGOTs. We have another competition running from the front page of the web site. Kids like competitions. On 14 November 2010 13:10, Gianluca Turconi wrote: > Il 14/11/2010 13.54, Ian Lynch ha scritto: > > Otto the seagull was the work of a 16 year old and was originated by a >> competition for school children organised by myself and Daniel Carrera. >> Perhaps a bit different in context but that seemed to work quite well for >> the schools project at the time. Gained quite a lot of publicity - try >> putting Otto OpenOffice.org into Google. >> > > It was an Italian kid that won, Andrea Maggioni, if I'm not wrong. > > I and another person of the Italian OOo project contacted him for the prize > delivery (yeah, there was a prize offered from a sponsor) but he refused > because he was happy enough to be the winner! :) > > Regards, > -- > Gianluca Turconi > > > -- > E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.orgfor > instructions on how to unsubscribe > List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ > All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQwww.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Joey, Contest work well with artistic content. What is important is to communicate the desired outcome and the process for participating. A wiki page will often do. This adds value in two ways. 1) A little planning never hurts and having a well defined criteria for selecting the successful candidate is good. 2) Re-enforces to the Participants the playing field is level and everyone has a shot. Reminding folks how this is a personal benefit often boosts participation. John On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 4:16 AM, Johannes Bausch wrote: > And when we're at it: Can we sit down and make a LibO logo contest? > With a deadline? I suggest the following: > > 1) Have a contest for a general mockup, this includes > * Logo symbol > * Logo text (see issue I already mentioned, we need the text path to > be refined somehow) > * Icons for files and applications > * (Mascot) > The deadline for this part should be something like in two weeks or > so, mainly because we already have so many great ideas but they're > somehow spread a bit too far away. Then we decide upon the general > elements. Paper plane or book as symbol (just examples), which logo > text etc. will all be decided by vote. I'm not sure how that can be > done on a mailing list but I'm sure someone of you has an idea for > that. > > 2) Have an actual logo contest > Now that we have the elements, we want the people to make great > artwork out of it. This includes the same things as before: > * Logo, different versions (color, grayscale, black, inverted), > different formats (small, square?, only symbol) > * Icons > The deadline for this second part should be something like two further > weeks along. We could also attract more artists in participating here > - I think it is not bad for your reputation as an artist if YOUR logo > is being used in such an application. > I'd really appreciate some feedback on these ideas of mine. If you > think this is a good idea I can set up a wiki page with the > guidelines. > > Thanks, > Joey > > 2010/11/12 Johannes Bausch : > > By the way: can I rename files on the wiki? "Logo.svg" is not really > > self-descriptive and I just noticed it after having uploaded the file. > > Thanks. > > > > 2010/11/12 Johannes Bausch : > >> Hey, > >> > >> I see no general problem with the current logo. However, just using a > >> font, typing a name and saying "this is my logo" is not the way logos > >> are done, usually at least. I know we're just at the beginning but > >> still I felt like doing some enhancements. So here we are: > >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Logo.svg > >> I've changed several things: > >> * ffi ligature > >> * raised the lower line of both c and e > >> * reduced and evened space between letters > >> * fixed base line > >> * fixed weird bend on e > >> I know, it's not perfect but I hope you like it anyways... > >> > >> Joey > >> > > > > -- > E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.orgfor > instructions on how to unsubscribe > List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ > All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Hi, :-) On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 20:54, Ian Lynch wrote: > Otto the seagull was the work of a 16 year old and was originated by a > competition for school children organised by myself and Daniel Carrera. > Perhaps a bit different in context but that seemed to work quite well for > the schools project at the time. Gained quite a lot of publicity - try > putting Otto OpenOffice.org into Google. That's really cool, Ian. Would it be possible to do something like that again, for LibO? > If you run a competition you can have a get out clause which reserves the > right not to use any of the entries. Oh, sure. And require provision of all source files, with the necessary rights. Plus, use of Open Source software and free fonts for the production. It's important that the selected artwork be maintainable and develop-able in the future. Hopefully, the artist would be or would become a team member. But, even if not, one can use and adapt someone else's work if that work satisfies the important criteria from the outset... We'd just have to figure out a reasonable set of rules. 0.2 cents. David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Il 14/11/2010 13.54, Ian Lynch ha scritto: Otto the seagull was the work of a 16 year old and was originated by a competition for school children organised by myself and Daniel Carrera. Perhaps a bit different in context but that seemed to work quite well for the schools project at the time. Gained quite a lot of publicity - try putting Otto OpenOffice.org into Google. It was an Italian kid that won, Andrea Maggioni, if I'm not wrong. I and another person of the Italian OOo project contacted him for the prize delivery (yeah, there was a prize offered from a sponsor) but he refused because he was happy enough to be the winner! :) Regards, -- Gianluca Turconi -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Otto the seagull was the work of a 16 year old and was originated by a competition for school children organised by myself and Daniel Carrera. Perhaps a bit different in context but that seemed to work quite well for the schools project at the time. Gained quite a lot of publicity - try putting Otto OpenOffice.org into Google. If you run a competition you can have a get out clause which reserves the right not to use any of the entries. -- Ian Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications The Schools ITQwww.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940 You have received this email from the following company: The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth, Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and Wales. -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Hi Graham, I'll just add this parting thought: Actually, I enjoy a good debate but, IMHO, long OT posts in threads pollute and dilute the useful information the threads sometimes contain. When one has ideas that need lengthy explanation, and that aren't central to the original subject, maybe a better approach is to have one's blog somewhere and post articles there, which one can then link to (succinctly) in one's mailing list posts. Then the subsequent discussion can take place in the comments thread after the article. Just my 0.2 cents. ;-) David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Hi Graham, :-) On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 19:43, Graham Lauder wrote: > I take it then, given that you haven't rebutted any of my points that you now > agree with them, or are you simply of the school that ignores any opposing > view to your own No, it means I don't have the time to get into pointless arguments. I like to express my ideas and, maybe, to clarify them if they seem to be misunderstood. But people are free to disagree with me - I try to avoid being dogmatic about things. My ambition in this project would be to make a tangible contribution of some sort, not to be debating endlessly on mailing lists. ;-) David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
On Sunday 14 Nov 2010 16:19:34 David Nelson wrote: > Hi Graham, :-) > > On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 06:24, Graham Lauder wrote: > > I'm sorry I'm having difficulty debating this in real time, my right arm > > is still in plaster so it's a little hard to keep up, plaster off on > > wednesday hopefully. :) > > Thanks for your thoughts. You seem to be managing fine. I'm sure we'll > be able to get the full benefit of your long experience once you can > type with two hands again. ;-) > > David Nelson I take it then, given that you haven't rebutted any of my points that you now agree with them, or are you simply of the school that ignores any opposing view to your own in any case I will add a bit here, as I hit the send button a little too quickly last night: > > One of the rules of entry could be that, if their work wins, entrants > > should be willing to contribute to LibO/TDF in the long-term, and be > > part of the process of developing and maintaining their material. > You can't force people to contribute, you have to give them a reason. Your thinking is old school corporate where people are competing for a check, the reason people work for FOSS projects is for personal satisfaction, fun and philosophy. On occasion people contribute because their employer is either part of the project or sees value in contributing. Unfortunately in the art part of the project the latter either rarely occurs or when it does (as it was in OOo) all the significant work was done without any community involvement. If the Art project doesn't have the opportunity to contribute significantly then there is no satisfaction and people stay away. Handing out that same work on a purely competition basis results in the same. You say you want to get involved in Marketing, well in a FOSS project much of, if not the majority is aimed at contributors, it's about growing and strengthening the community, competitions are divisive, they work in a corporate space but not in a FOSS project. Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Hi Graham, :-) On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 06:24, Graham Lauder wrote: > I'm sorry I'm having difficulty debating this in real time, my right arm is > still in plaster so it's a little hard to keep up, plaster off on wednesday > hopefully. :) Thanks for your thoughts. You seem to be managing fine. I'm sure we'll be able to get the full benefit of your long experience once you can type with two hands again. ;-) David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
On Sunday 14 Nov 2010 04:36:03 David Nelson wrote: > Hi, :-) > > IMHO, it would be a good idea to have a competition for the logo > choice. It's a good way of attracting new contributors. It doesn't work. And if you want proof OOo Art mailing list postings http://www.mail-archive.com/a...@marketing.openoffice.org/index.html 2006 postings 1044 2007 postings 715 2008 (Oh let's have a big contest for the OOo 3 splashscreen because it will bring more people to the art project, oh and Bernhard took a study sabbatical) postings 396 2009 (Where are all those new contributors, the contest was won by an outsider who didn't even subscribe to the list IMS, point was he never came back, on the upside Bernhard came back after getting some letters attached to his name, that was the single biggest difference here and then look at the number of individual contributors) postings 525 2010 (We're into month 11) postings: 163 > And aren't Open Source projects supposed to be founded on meritocracy? That is a nonsense argument, merit has nothing to do with competition, it has to do with contribution and the quality of that contribution > > One of the rules of entry could be that, if their work wins, entrants > should be willing to contribute to LibO/TDF in the long-term, and be > part of the process of developing and maintaining their material. You can't force people to contribute, you have to give them a reason. Your thinking is old school corporate where people are competing for a check, the reason people work for FOSS projects is . > > I agree that a "hit-and-run" win is not beneficial for the project. > But the contact-building I've started with Linux distributions tells > me that there are quite a few people out there who'd be willing to do > work for LibO. You would have to be blind to ignore the opinions that Thorsten linked to, plus we don't want to be seen to be trying to steal contributors from other OSS projects. It seems to me that you have little history in FOSS, you are not a designer or an artist and I see no merit in your arguments because they are not new, it's all been done before, but you make no reference to history and in fact seem hell bent on repeating all the mistakes of the past. Building community is our primary aim as it is for any new FOSS project. Making it easy to contribute is one of the goals of this community, taking part in a competition is not contributing, it is competing as an individual rather than contributing as part of a community. Outsiders then compete against the Community which is not inclusive it is divisive. I'm sorry I'm having difficulty debating this in real time, my right arm is still in plaster so it's a little hard to keep up, plaster off on wednesday hopefully. :) Cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Hi Christoph, On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Christoph Noack wrote: > Hi Sophie, all! > > Sophie, thanks for answering this ... I tried to keep a minimum distance > of 2m to my computer in the last 20 hours :-) Thanks a lot for your answer and sorry to be a distance reducer this evening ;) Kind regards Sophie -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Hi Sophie, all! Sophie, thanks for answering this ... I tried to keep a minimum distance of 2m to my computer in the last 20 hours :-) Am Samstag, den 13.11.2010, 17:31 +0100 schrieb Sophie Gautier: > Hi Ismael, Johannes, all, > > On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Johannes Bausch > wrote: > > That's what I thought, too. But I may be mistaken. > > What about the enhancements of the logo I proposed in my first mail? > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Logo.svg > > Christoph or Bernhard will be definitely better to answer you here I > haven't followed closely all the graphical part, sorry. I'd like to focus on one detail at the moment: the ligatures. There has been a small discussion within one of the blog posts (thus, hidden and not that visible at all) - please have a look at the very last comment at [1]. > The name is trademarked so you can't make it different than > LibreOffice (this answers Ismaël about Libre Office, LIBRE-OFFICE or > Libre OFFICE forms). But the graphical part is not fixed yet if I > remember well. However, we have had already a large press coverage and > I feel that it's important to stick with the initial branding that has > been launched. I know for example that several sites offering our > product to download are using our logo. I already saw some graphic drafts that presented different versions of the "LibreOffice" text or even "The Document Foundation". Especially since we are new, I think everybody agrees that this should be avoided to strengthen our brand. Concerning the graphical part - there is a work items list that has been published by André some days ago [2]. I admit that some things are not added yet, but the general roadmap is there (and has been "+1"ed by some people here on this list). The proposal/decision was to finalize the initial branding, and use the next weeks/months to work on a community branding. My personal wish is, that we can "detail" this list ... e.g. to make sure that the website team gets its graphics, the presentation template is well tested, etc. > Christoph, could you in/validate or correct what I'm saying, I really > feel not an expert here :-) You should ;-) Earlier in this thread, the idea of a contest came up ... I'd like to add some more thoughts. I second Jens' thoughts that it is bad to build a branding on something like a "random logo". Within OOo, we had the discussion whether pre-selected graphics (Splash Screens in this case) by some kid of jury might help to ensure the quality and the correct branding. I don't know whether this is still a good idea ... but it would have helped a lot. Voters usually miss the "broader view" on what the brand requires. And, I strongly second the mentioned "a solid base to start from, like values and goals" by Ismael. From my point-of-view, a contest should focus on the visual language (the main idea) - based on commonly agreed values for our project. But do we have some? I think - at the moment - everybody has its very own idea, here (myself included *g*). Thus, I think it is a good idea to go with a rather neutral "initial" branding and - at the same time - work towards a community branding. And here, I'm very happy to so many people who also valued this within OpenOffice.org :-) Cheers, Christoph [1] http://luxate.blogspot.com/2010/10/fontastic-how-libreoffice-got-its-font.html [2] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Work_Items#Marketing -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Hi Ismael, Johannes, all, On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Johannes Bausch wrote: > That's what I thought, too. But I may be mistaken. > What about the enhancements of the logo I proposed in my first mail? > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Logo.svg Christoph or Bernhard will be definitely better to answer you here I haven't followed closely all the graphical part, sorry. The name is trademarked so you can't make it different than LibreOffice (this answers Ismaël about Libre Office, LIBRE-OFFICE or Libre OFFICE forms). But the graphical part is not fixed yet if I remember well. However, we have had already a large press coverage and I feel that it's important to stick with the initial branding that has been launched. I know for example that several sites offering our product to download are using our logo. Christoph, could you in/validate or correct what I'm saying, I really feel not an expert here :-) Kind regards Sophie -- Founding member of The Document Foundation -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
That's what I thought, too. But I may be mistaken. What about the enhancements of the logo I proposed in my first mail? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Logo.svg 2010/11/13 Ismaël Grammenidis : > Thanks Sophie, > > I didn't know that there was already so much progress, I definitely missed a > chapter or two here... > But could you please tell me, this isn't a definitive logo / version, right? > But rather an interim solution that was set up when the foundation has been > established? > > With kind regards, > Ismaël Grammenidis > > -- > E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to > unsubscribe > List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ > All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Thanks Sophie, I didn't know that there was already so much progress, I definitely missed a chapter or two here... But could you please tell me, this isn't a definitive logo / version, right? But rather an interim solution that was set up when the foundation has been established? With kind regards, Ismaël Grammenidis -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Hi, On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Ismaël Grammenidis wrote: > Hi, > > > > 2010/11/13 Johannes Bausch > >> Okay, I see your points. But still, I'd rather have some kind of >> decision which logo and which symbol to use. I for my part find it >> frustrating if I work on something which isn't used afterwards (okok I >> should have thought about that before making the suggestion of a >> competition). >> > > Try designing neutral, clean and fresh, and add the colours later. > > -- > Regards, > Ismaël Grammenidis > > 2010/11/13 David Nelson > >> One of the rules of entry could be that, if their work wins, entrants >> should be willing to contribute to LibO/TDF in the long-term, and be >> part of the process of developing and maintaining their material. >> > > I think you hit the nail there. This is exactly the problem we have faced at > OOo. People design and then dissappear. And to be honest, I can not blame > them. People's priorities change, and sometimes they do not have time > anymore to contribute to the project. On the other hand, we can also have a > situation where the designer is overprotecting "his" design and wants it to > stay "his contribution". This is why I prefer to talk about submitting a > design "proposal" where other contributors may add or change things. With > this in (open) mind we can reach more rather than just picking one "best" > design and stick with it. The point is to create an evolution in the design > until we have reached exactly that what would reflect the core values and > goals of the community. > > Second, how do we want to spell the name of the product? Libre Office or > Libreoffice or LibreOffice or LIBRE-OFFICE? > There are a lot of things to discuss about before the actual designing can > begin. Please, see our branding guidelines, and logo usage, all is described here : http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding Kind regards Sophie -- Founding member of The Document Foundation -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Hi, 2010/11/13 Johannes Bausch > Okay, I see your points. But still, I'd rather have some kind of > decision which logo and which symbol to use. I for my part find it > frustrating if I work on something which isn't used afterwards (okok I > should have thought about that before making the suggestion of a > competition). > Try designing neutral, clean and fresh, and add the colours later. -- Regards, Ismaël Grammenidis 2010/11/13 David Nelson > One of the rules of entry could be that, if their work wins, entrants > should be willing to contribute to LibO/TDF in the long-term, and be > part of the process of developing and maintaining their material. > I think you hit the nail there. This is exactly the problem we have faced at OOo. People design and then dissappear. And to be honest, I can not blame them. People's priorities change, and sometimes they do not have time anymore to contribute to the project. On the other hand, we can also have a situation where the designer is overprotecting "his" design and wants it to stay "his contribution". This is why I prefer to talk about submitting a design "proposal" where other contributors may add or change things. With this in (open) mind we can reach more rather than just picking one "best" design and stick with it. The point is to create an evolution in the design until we have reached exactly that what would reflect the core values and goals of the community. Second, how do we want to spell the name of the product? Libre Office or Libreoffice or LibreOffice or LIBRE-OFFICE? There are a lot of things to discuss about before the actual designing can begin. -- Regards, Ismaël Grammenidis -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Hi, :-) IMHO, it would be a good idea to have a competition for the logo choice. It's a good way of attracting new contributors. And aren't Open Source projects supposed to be founded on meritocracy? One of the rules of entry could be that, if their work wins, entrants should be willing to contribute to LibO/TDF in the long-term, and be part of the process of developing and maintaining their material. I agree that a "hit-and-run" win is not beneficial for the project. But the contact-building I've started with Linux distributions tells me that there are quite a few people out there who'd be willing to do work for LibO. 0.2 cents. David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Okay, I see your points. But still, I'd rather have some kind of decision which logo and which symbol to use. I for my part find it frustrating if I work on something which isn't used afterwards (okok I should have thought about that before making the suggestion of a competition). 2010/11/13 Jens Habermann : > Hi! > > I am against a contest, too. > > in my opinion you simply cannot create a brand design based on a random logo. > > This was indeed the problem with OOo: everytime I created stuff was working > around guidelines and community elected gfx. And it was quite difficult, > because the parts > were not fitting together most time. We shouldn´t make the same mistakes... > > Jens > > > -- > E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to > unsubscribe > List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ > All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Hello everyone, I have been involved since several years now at OOo and played an active role in the rebranding of OOo and in creating a strong guideline for the logo. The icons was something different. I learned a lot of things, good things and bad things. I agree to learn from the mistakes that were made at OOo and we should take this opportunity to create an even stronger and consistent brand without sacrificing user experience or usability. First, we should have a solid base to start from, like values and goals for the project. When this is made clear within the community, we can start a branding project were people can post suggestions and samples of how the new logo should look like. We should take 4 weeks until the last proposal can be submitted. Then we have to look which design reflects these values and goals of the community the most. That design can be the base for the creation of a permanent logo. The logo can then be adapted and changed until we have reached a consensus about the final look of it. And of course, like some mentioned earlier: branding is something that is always in progress and is never finished. Of course, this is just my personal view on how to handle this. Please feel free to comment your opinion about this idea. -- Regards, Ismaël Grammenidis -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Hi! I am against a contest, too. in my opinion you simply cannot create a brand design based on a random logo. This was indeed the problem with OOo: everytime I created stuff was working around guidelines and community elected gfx. And it was quite difficult, because the parts were not fitting together most time. We shouldn´t make the same mistakes... Jens -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
On Sunday 14 Nov 2010 01:41:16 Thorsten Wilms wrote: > On Sat, 2010-11-13 at 10:16 +0100, Johannes Bausch wrote: > > And when we're at it: Can we sit down and make a LibO logo contest? > > > With a deadline? I suggest the following: > A point of view to add: > http://troy-sobotka.blogspot.com/2010/01/specs-and-contests-we-all-lose.htm > l Thanks for that, I agree completely. 8 years I've been involved with OOo and we had contests and they were a waste of time, divisive and partially killed the art project. The best stuff was done as a result of collaboration amongst people who wanted the best for the project rather than for personal glory. cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
On Saturday 13 Nov 2010 22:16:05 Johannes Bausch wrote: > And when we're at it: Can we sit down and make a LibO logo contest? > With a deadline? I suggest the following: > > 1) Have a contest for a general mockup, this includes > * Logo symbol > * Logo text (see issue I already mentioned, we need the text path to > be refined somehow) > * Icons for files and applications Frankly, as I've stated previously, I don't like contests, Contests rarely deliver anything that is consistent across the brand and they don't build community. I would prefer that we focus on building our own Art community so that we can build continuity into our branding. Artwork is an ongoing process as is branding, we don't have contests for code contributions, marketing plans, pamphlets and so on so why should we do it for Branding elements. At the moment we have three very good proposals from people within the community, let's use one of them. We don't need a contest with all the associated hoopla and nonsense when we can look at what we have and develop those through a collaborative process rather than a competitive one. cheers GL -- Graham Lauder, OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. INGOTs Assessor Trainer (International Grades in Open Technologies) www.theingots.org -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
On Sat, 2010-11-13 at 10:16 +0100, Johannes Bausch wrote: > And when we're at it: Can we sit down and make a LibO logo contest? > With a deadline? I suggest the following: A point of view to add: http://troy-sobotka.blogspot.com/2010/01/specs-and-contests-we-all-lose.html -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: Logo Enhancements
Hi, :-) On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 17:16, Johannes Bausch wrote: > And when we're at it: Can we sit down and make a LibO logo contest? > With a deadline? I suggest the following: +1 for a contest. IMHO, 3 or 4 weeks would be more realistic than 2. But, again IMHO, it will be very difficult to organize in the current state of project governance. David Nelson -- E-mail to marketing+h...@libreoffice.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.libreoffice.org/lists/marketing/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
