Re: [Marketing] Getting in gear for 2016

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Re: [Marketing] Getting in gear for 2016

[Joe Brockmeier]

On 01/12/2016 06:13 PM, Justin W. Flory wrote:
> Please go to the poll and choose the times on the grid that work for
> you. Remember to choose your time zone at the top.

Have submitted my times, but I did want to mention that these options
look a bit sub-optimal for folks in Europe. A few early morning times
Eastern might be best.

Best,

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Re: [Marketing] Getting in gear for 2016

[Justin W. Flory]

On 12/18/2015 04:38 AM, Gabriele Trombini wrote:

I'm ok with a ticket based meetings (in effect I'm using tickets as a
to do list yet). Let me make some considerations:

1) at present few people from magazine is working on marketing as well;
2) in these days I'm looking at the wiki and we need a renovation about
that. There are a lot of pages I didn't know they existed;
3) maybe we should plan meeting time based on our tasks, and monthly
only for parsing tickets;
4) in order to have a clear marketing meeting I think it don't have to
include magazine (magazine meetings can goin'on as usual).

Today I have time enough to put my specific considerations in the
retrospective.


Hi all! Hope you've been having a good New Year so far.

Now that we're in 2016, I'd like to go ahead and start polling for 
timeslots for the new Marketing meeting time frame. I think it's 
important that we get this rolling sooner or later, and I think there's 
a good number of things we can talk about already.


http://whenisgood.net/fedora/marketing/2016/newmeeting

Please go to the poll and choose the times on the grid that work for 
you. Remember to choose your time zone at the top.


Looking forward to getting 2016 Fedora Marketing started!


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Re: [Marketing] Getting in gear for 2016

[Gabriele Trombini]

Il giorno gio, 17/12/2015 alle 20.05 -0500, Justin W. Flory ha scritto:
> On 12/17/2015 04:42 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> > On 12/17/2015 02:53 PM, Justin W. Flory wrote:

Hi guys,

> > > 
> > > I see. How often were meetings happening in the past? From my
> > > perspective, I think maybe the frequency as well as the
> > > organizational
> > > pre-meeting plans could be adjusted. I know for the CommOps
> > > group, we
> > > have a very rough outline of "things to cover" in the meetings in
> > > a wiki
> > > outline. Additionally, having ticket-oriented meetings also seems
> > > to
> > > have had decent success with the Design Team. Perhaps we could
> > > try to
> > > incorporate tickets as a central part of our meetings?
> > 
> > Tickets wouldn't hurt. It's been a while so I don't recall how much
> > we
> > were using Trac at the time, but it couldn't hurt.
> > 
> > It seems to me it was weekly for a while, then bi-weekly. Again,
> > it's
> > been a long while (2013, early 2014 maybe?) and a new flock of
> > Fedorans
> > to help kickstart.
> 
> With what you and Ruth said, it seems like it might be a good idea to
> space meetings on a monthly basis, and maybe increase frequency in
> the 
> month / two months before the release?
> 
> I think the next step might be to put a potential meeting date and 
> timeslot on the map for 2016.
> 
> --

I'm ok with a ticket based meetings (in effect I'm using tickets as a
to do list yet). Let me make some considerations:

1) at present few people from magazine is working on marketing as well;
2) in these days I'm looking at the wiki and we need a renovation about
that. There are a lot of pages I didn't know they existed;
3) maybe we should plan meeting time based on our tasks, and monthly
only for parsing tickets;
4) in order to have a clear marketing meeting I think it don't have to
include magazine (magazine meetings can goin'on as usual).

Today I have time enough to put my specific considerations in the
retrospective.

Thanks.

Gabri
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Re: [Marketing] Getting in gear for 2016

[Joe Brockmeier]

On 12/18/2015 04:38 AM, Gabriele Trombini wrote:
> Il giorno gio, 17/12/2015 alle 20.05 -0500, Justin W. Flory ha scritto:
>> On 12/17/2015 04:42 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
>>> On 12/17/2015 02:53 PM, Justin W. Flory wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> 

 I see. How often were meetings happening in the past? From my
 perspective, I think maybe the frequency as well as the
 organizational
 pre-meeting plans could be adjusted. I know for the CommOps
 group, we
 have a very rough outline of "things to cover" in the meetings in
 a wiki
 outline. Additionally, having ticket-oriented meetings also seems
 to
 have had decent success with the Design Team. Perhaps we could
 try to
 incorporate tickets as a central part of our meetings?
>>>
>>> Tickets wouldn't hurt. It's been a while so I don't recall how much
>>> we
>>> were using Trac at the time, but it couldn't hurt.
>>>
>>> It seems to me it was weekly for a while, then bi-weekly. Again,
>>> it's
>>> been a long while (2013, early 2014 maybe?) and a new flock of
>>> Fedorans
>>> to help kickstart.
>>
>> With what you and Ruth said, it seems like it might be a good idea to
>> space meetings on a monthly basis, and maybe increase frequency in
>> the 
>> month / two months before the release?
>>
>> I think the next step might be to put a potential meeting date and 
>> timeslot on the map for 2016.
>>
>> --
> 
> I'm ok with a ticket based meetings (in effect I'm using tickets as a
> to do list yet). Let me make some considerations:
> 
> 1) at present few people from magazine is working on marketing as well;
> 2) in these days I'm looking at the wiki and we need a renovation about
> that. There are a lot of pages I didn't know they existed;

Yes. We definitely need to overhaul the wiki...

> 3) maybe we should plan meeting time based on our tasks, and monthly
> only for parsing tickets;

Not sure I fully grok what you're suggesting here. I think you're saying
monthly meeting to go through tickets, but no sure about "plan meeting
time based on our tasks."

> 4) in order to have a clear marketing meeting I think it don't have to
> include magazine (magazine meetings can goin'on as usual).

Yeah, I think the magazine folks have a system that's working and don't
want to tamper with that. This would be for all other marketing issues,
and if we have something specific to the magazine we can hit up that
meeting.

Best,

jzb
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Re: [commops] Re: [Marketing] Getting in gear for 2016

[Remy DeCausemaker]

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 2:24 PM, Joe Brockmeier  wrote:
>
> On 12/18/2015 04:38 AM, Gabriele Trombini wrote:
> > Il giorno gio, 17/12/2015 alle 20.05 -0500, Justin W. Flory ha scritto:
> >> On 12/17/2015 04:42 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> >>> On 12/17/2015 02:53 PM, Justin W. Flory wrote:
> >
> > Hi guys,
> >
> 
>  I see. How often were meetings happening in the past? From my
>  perspective, I think maybe the frequency as well as the
>  organizational
>  pre-meeting plans could be adjusted. I know for the CommOps
>  group, we
>  have a very rough outline of "things to cover" in the meetings in
>  a wiki
>  outline. Additionally, having ticket-oriented meetings also seems
>  to
>  have had decent success with the Design Team. Perhaps we could
>  try to
>  incorporate tickets as a central part of our meetings?
> >>>
> >>> Tickets wouldn't hurt. It's been a while so I don't recall how much
> >>> we
> >>> were using Trac at the time, but it couldn't hurt.
> >>>
> >>> It seems to me it was weekly for a while, then bi-weekly. Again,
> >>> it's
> >>> been a long while (2013, early 2014 maybe?) and a new flock of
> >>> Fedorans
> >>> to help kickstart.
> >>
> >> With what you and Ruth said, it seems like it might be a good idea to
> >> space meetings on a monthly basis, and maybe increase frequency in
> >> the
> >> month / two months before the release?
> >>
> >> I think the next step might be to put a potential meeting date and
> >> timeslot on the map for 2016.
> >>
> >> --
> >
> > I'm ok with a ticket based meetings (in effect I'm using tickets as a
> > to do list yet). Let me make some considerations:
> >
> > 1) at present few people from magazine is working on marketing as well;
> > 2) in these days I'm looking at the wiki and we need a renovation about
> > that. There are a lot of pages I didn't know they existed;
>
> Yes. We definitely need to overhaul the wiki...

CommOps will add this to our "WikiGardening" section for our next
meeting (after the new year.) We could still use a battle plan though,
in addition to refreshing and revamping old SoP's, and other mktg
content I we already know to be out of date.

> > 3) maybe we should plan meeting time based on our tasks, and monthly
> > only for parsing tickets;
>
> Not sure I fully grok what you're suggesting here. I think you're saying
> monthly meeting to go through tickets, but no sure about "plan meeting
> time based on our tasks."

Ticket based meetings work well for design, and have worked decently
well for CommOps thusfar too. We didn't use this model at first
because our team infrastructure wasn't quite up to speed (people or
tech wise) but I think we've gotten the hang of it now. I would def
recommend bi-weekly, ticket based meetings, at the very least. CommOps
will ship a "whenisgood" poll for this in the near future to nail down
days/times.

> > 4) in order to have a clear marketing meeting I think it don't have to
> > include magazine (magazine meetings can goin'on as usual).
>
> Yeah, I think the magazine folks have a system that's working and don't
> want to tamper with that. This would be for all other marketing issues,
> and if we have something specific to the magazine we can hit up that
> meeting.

Yes, def agree with jzb here. Magazine is rocking and rolling, and we
want that to continue humming along at full-speed :)

Looking Forward,
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Re: [commops] Re: [Marketing] Getting in gear for 2016

[Gabriele Trombini]

Il giorno ven, 18/12/2015 alle 14.24 -0500, Joe Brockmeier ha scritto:
> On 12/18/2015 04:38 AM, Gabriele Trombini wrote:
> > Il giorno gio, 17/12/2015 alle 20.05 -0500, Justin W. Flory ha
> > scritto:

> > > On 12/17/2015 04:42 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:
> 
> > 3) maybe we should plan meeting time based on our tasks, and
> > monthly
> > only for parsing tickets;
> 
> Not sure I fully grok what you're suggesting here. I think you're
> saying
> monthly meeting to go through tickets, but no sure about "plan
> meeting
> time based on our tasks."
> 
Hello Joe,
I meant that, excluding Magazine stuff, there is spare time where we
don't have anything really urgent to discuss and we could base the
meetings time on the marketing tasks [1] because there are days in
which we need to be synchronized.Of course if we decide to manage those
tasks through the trac this proposal doesn't make any sense.
[1]
https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-24/f-24-marketing-tasks.html
Hope I have explained better what I meant.
Thanks.
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Re: [Marketing] Getting in gear for 2016

[Justin W. Flory]

On 12/17/2015 02:48 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:

I do think we need to put meetings back on the map, yes.

We stopped doing regular meetings because they'd sort of turned into a
"let's discuss what we should be doing" thing where the only thing that
was happening was meeting attendance.

But... 1) the last cycle we had a hard time even scraping up a good
release announcement, and 2) perhaps with a few new folks looking around
to contribute and with some renewed energy thanks to the Magazine, we
can regroup and improve.


I see. How often were meetings happening in the past? From my 
perspective, I think maybe the frequency as well as the organizational 
pre-meeting plans could be adjusted. I know for the CommOps group, we 
have a very rough outline of "things to cover" in the meetings in a wiki 
outline. Additionally, having ticket-oriented meetings also seems to 
have had decent success with the Design Team. Perhaps we could try to 
incorporate tickets as a central part of our meetings?



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Re: [Marketing] Getting in gear for 2016

[Joe Brockmeier]

On 12/17/2015 02:39 PM, Justin W. Flory wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> It was discussed in channel that it might be a good idea to reboot
> regular Marketing meetings in 2016 to help get on track and ready for
> 2016. Gabri is helping bring back the retrospective to let us reflect
> back on what we've done and where we can improve - this might make a
> good discussion topic for jumping back in with a meeting.
> 
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/2015_marketing_retrospective
> 
> It was also mentioned that it might be good to include CommOps on the
> discussion to help connect Marketing to the other parts of the Project.
> 
> What are all of your timetables looking like for the New Year and do we
> want to look at putting meetings back on the map? I've only been here
> for a few months and I've mostly been in the Magazine, so I know there
> are others who have been around for many more cycles than me that might
> have some experienced thoughts to offer.

I do think we need to put meetings back on the map, yes.

We stopped doing regular meetings because they'd sort of turned into a
"let's discuss what we should be doing" thing where the only thing that
was happening was meeting attendance.

But... 1) the last cycle we had a hard time even scraping up a good
release announcement, and 2) perhaps with a few new folks looking around
to contribute and with some renewed energy thanks to the Magazine, we
can regroup and improve.

Best,

jzb
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[Marketing] Getting in gear for 2016

[Justin W. Flory]

Hey all,

It was discussed in channel that it might be a good idea to reboot 
regular Marketing meetings in 2016 to help get on track and ready for 
2016. Gabri is helping bring back the retrospective to let us reflect 
back on what we've done and where we can improve - this might make a 
good discussion topic for jumping back in with a meeting.


https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/2015_marketing_retrospective

It was also mentioned that it might be good to include CommOps on the 
discussion to help connect Marketing to the other parts of the Project.


What are all of your timetables looking like for the New Year and do we 
want to look at putting meetings back on the map? I've only been here 
for a few months and I've mostly been in the Magazine, so I know there 
are others who have been around for many more cycles than me that might 
have some experienced thoughts to offer.


Thanks all!

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Re: [Marketing] Getting in gear for 2016

[Joe Brockmeier]

On 12/17/2015 02:53 PM, Justin W. Flory wrote:
> 
> I see. How often were meetings happening in the past? From my
> perspective, I think maybe the frequency as well as the organizational
> pre-meeting plans could be adjusted. I know for the CommOps group, we
> have a very rough outline of "things to cover" in the meetings in a wiki
> outline. Additionally, having ticket-oriented meetings also seems to
> have had decent success with the Design Team. Perhaps we could try to
> incorporate tickets as a central part of our meetings?

Tickets wouldn't hurt. It's been a while so I don't recall how much we
were using Trac at the time, but it couldn't hurt.

It seems to me it was weekly for a while, then bi-weekly. Again, it's
been a long while (2013, early 2014 maybe?) and a new flock of Fedorans
to help kickstart.
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Re: [Marketing] Getting in gear for 2016

[Ruth Suehle]

> I see. How often were meetings happening in the past? 

They were weekly. But eventually nobody was showing up, so they stopped.

> Perhaps we could try to
> incorporate tickets as a central part of our meetings?

Can't hurt to try!
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Re: [Marketing] Getting in gear for 2016

[Justin W. Flory]

On 12/17/2015 04:42 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote:

On 12/17/2015 02:53 PM, Justin W. Flory wrote:


I see. How often were meetings happening in the past? From my
perspective, I think maybe the frequency as well as the organizational
pre-meeting plans could be adjusted. I know for the CommOps group, we
have a very rough outline of "things to cover" in the meetings in a wiki
outline. Additionally, having ticket-oriented meetings also seems to
have had decent success with the Design Team. Perhaps we could try to
incorporate tickets as a central part of our meetings?


Tickets wouldn't hurt. It's been a while so I don't recall how much we
were using Trac at the time, but it couldn't hurt.

It seems to me it was weekly for a while, then bi-weekly. Again, it's
been a long while (2013, early 2014 maybe?) and a new flock of Fedorans
to help kickstart.


With what you and Ruth said, it seems like it might be a good idea to 
space meetings on a monthly basis, and maybe increase frequency in the 
month / two months before the release?


I think the next step might be to put a potential meeting date and 
timeslot on the map for 2016.


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jflo...@gmail.com



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