Re: Video #2 RFC
On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 22:53, Jason D. Clinton wrote: > On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 19:05, Jason D. Clinton wrote: >> A first production attempt of launch video #2 is available here. >> Comments, please. The sooner, the better because two more will be >> produced tomorrow. >> http://people.gnome.org/~jclinton/gnome3_launch_videos/gnome3_launch_video2_beta.webm > > I just uploaded an updated version with the same file name as above > that incorporates some feedback: A "release candidate" is now in the same spot in 4Mbit/s rendering. Unless someone finds some problem with it, I say we try uploading this one to our YouTube account tomorrow, try embedding it on the gnome3.org site with UT, and see how it goes. All source files for this one are now posted, too. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fallback / Classic Mode
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:13 PM, John Stowers wrote: > > > > > > > My employer does not have Linux desktops.. they instead provide VNC > > with fvwm2 or some other light weight window manager in order to work > > in their linux environment. Likely they might start moving to virtual > > machines as well. In fact, my work model is to use a virtual machines > > for Window on a Linux host but for most other people it'll likely be > > the other way around. > > As Allan said earlier, it would be good to understand the technical > reasons stopping g-s from running in virtualbox, vmware, etc. > > I agree.. it's just that it is not a space we control and we don't know how long it will take for something like that to be resolved.. Definitely we should be looking to make sure that wherever compiz can run, we should run, and run better. The VNC case though is still up in the air though.. fallback should work with that well. > Is this something that could ever be fixed for examples. > > Dunno? sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Video #2 RFC
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 12:09:29PM -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > > > In future I think we should have multiple mirrors and perhaps make it > > > more easy to share .webm files. But not sure if we're setup for that > > > (hard drive space, backup space, webserver which doesn't bog down when > > > we get a few hits, etc). Tar files are no problem, but keeping .webm > > > files for 10+ years is not something that was considered. Anyway, just > > > wondering how to prioritise infrastructure stuff. > > > > > > > > We could setup a torrent and have some of us seed the videos? > > For gnome3.org or designing the videos? > Either one, but I see your point. It's just a way to save bandwidth if we need to. But really that's what youtube is for anyways. > > For gnome3.org: I think that wouldn't work, you want to see them asap. > > For designing: easier to share using people.gnome.org. Think it'll allow > more people to participate in the design of the videos (people might be > behind firewalls and so on) > I need to switch to F15 in order to get videos going.. my ubuntu box is too patched up to give the default gnome 3 experience at the moment. Jason ha been going at it alone unfortunately. I suppose I can try harder.. > MAybe setup an area on 'ftp.gnome.org' where you can share stuff for max > 30 days. If all the mirrors agree on this (atm only one, ftp.gnome.org), > we'd easily: > a) share stuff > b) be able to exclude it from the backups > > Sure, that's fine with me.. sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fallback / Classic Mode
> > > My employer does not have Linux desktops.. they instead provide VNC > with fvwm2 or some other light weight window manager in order to work > in their linux environment. Likely they might start moving to virtual > machines as well. In fact, my work model is to use a virtual machines > for Window on a Linux host but for most other people it'll likely be > the other way around. As Allan said earlier, it would be good to understand the technical reasons stopping g-s from running in virtualbox, vmware, etc. Is this something that could ever be fixed for examples. John -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Video #2 RFC
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 12:09:29PM -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > > In future I think we should have multiple mirrors and perhaps make it > > more easy to share .webm files. But not sure if we're setup for that > > (hard drive space, backup space, webserver which doesn't bog down when > > we get a few hits, etc). Tar files are no problem, but keeping .webm > > files for 10+ years is not something that was considered. Anyway, just > > wondering how to prioritise infrastructure stuff. > > > > > We could setup a torrent and have some of us seed the videos? For gnome3.org or designing the videos? For gnome3.org: I think that wouldn't work, you want to see them asap. For designing: easier to share using people.gnome.org. Think it'll allow more people to participate in the design of the videos (people might be behind firewalls and so on) MAybe setup an area on 'ftp.gnome.org' where you can share stuff for max 30 days. If all the mirrors agree on this (atm only one, ftp.gnome.org), we'd easily: a) share stuff b) be able to exclude it from the backups But of course: Do whatever you think is best :) -- Regards, Olav -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Video #2 RFC
> > > In future I think we should have multiple mirrors and perhaps make it > more easy to share .webm files. But not sure if we're setup for that > (hard drive space, backup space, webserver which doesn't bog down when > we get a few hits, etc). Tar files are no problem, but keeping .webm > files for 10+ years is not something that was considered. Anyway, just > wondering how to prioritise infrastructure stuff. > > We could setup a torrent and have some of us seed the videos? sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Video #2 RFC
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 01:46:50PM -0500, Jason D. Clinton wrote: > On Mar 19, 2011 11:37 PM, "Olav Vitters" wrote: > > ==> 1.4 GB in 31 days max > > I am guessing you provided these numbers to help guide our bandwidth > consumption? It is my intention to only use people.g.o for collaboration on Yes, but only marginally interested in that. I was just wondering how popular these .webm files are and if we should set something up. Thought you'd be interested in the amount of hits we've got for something which wasn't even announced. Webalizer is broken unfortunately and you cannot determine it from that jaavscript webstat thing. All bandwidth is free for GNOME btw (sponsored). Just that it seems we have a limited bandwidth from Red Hat (seemed slow to download the file from .nl). > this mailing list; I don't intend to post it to my blog or to use this > server for gnome3.org. Our plan is to use the GNOME YouTube account for > that. No worries. I don't think we could host it ourselves. But if there is a need, the infrastructure should follow / be fixed to handle it. > Do you have a recommendation for another place to collaborate? Recommendation: Just keep using it. In future I think we should have multiple mirrors and perhaps make it more easy to share .webm files. But not sure if we're setup for that (hard drive space, backup space, webserver which doesn't bog down when we get a few hits, etc). Tar files are no problem, but keeping .webm files for 10+ years is not something that was considered. Anyway, just wondering how to prioritise infrastructure stuff. -- Regards, Olav -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fallback / Classic Mode
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Brian Cameron wrote: > > Allan: > > > On 03/18/11 04:28 AM, Allan Day wrote: > >> The message, as Olav has already pointed out, is >> that it is 'fallback', not 'classic' GNOME. It's what you get if you are >> unlucky enough not to be able to run the full GNOME 3 desktop. It isn't >> intended as something that users choose to use. >> >> (There is a switch in the control center that lets you force the >> fallback mode, however.) >> > > I can imagine some situations where a user would want to choose > 'fallback' mode. For example, when accessing a remote machine via > XDMCP or Xvnc, users would likely find that 'fallback' GNOME performs > better - especially if latency is high. If my home directory is shared > between the remote and local machine, I might want to use GNOME 3 on my > local machine, but use "fallback" GNOME when I log into remote machines. > > I get your point that for the "average" or "typical" user, it probably > does not make sense to expose the fallback/classic mode. However, there > will likely always be particular configurations or setups where it makes > sense for people to use it. Unless GNOME is evolving to simply just not > support these sorts of use cases anymore. > > My employer does not have Linux desktops.. they instead provide VNC with fvwm2 or some other light weight window manager in order to work in their linux environment. Likely they might start moving to virtual machines as well. In fact, my work model is to use a virtual machines for Window on a Linux host but for most other people it'll likely be the other way around. I can't help but think that we are missing out on a large number of corporate users, amazon ec2 users, etc when we do not have a strategy to address remote computing; popular among business IT due to cost saving benefits. sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Video #2 RFC
On Mar 20, 2011 5:05 AM, "Allan Day" wrote: > * Lorem ipsum: realistic content would be better. I'll be online in a > couple of hours - ping me and I can work something up for you if you'd > like. I did that intentionally for two reasons: more people who speak other languages will see the videos than English speakers once the translations are done and Lorem ipsum is as close to internationally recognized "giberish" that I could think of, and I don't want people's eyes to be drawn to content on the screen instead of the interface. > * 'it's as easy as that': unnecessary, I think. It could be pulled. I will edit this out. Very easy to do. > * Hearing the script out loud, I realise that the script I wrote could > be better. There are some repetitions of 'screen', for instance. Here > are some alternatives: > > 'With GNOME 3, you can easily make a window fill half the screen. To do > this, drag the window as before, but push it to one side. This is really > useful, because you can use it to easily view two windows at once.' > > 'Again, each window can be returned to normal by dragging it away from > the screen edge.' Too late to refilm the speaking but I will try to cut to avoid that ackwardness you mentioned. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Video #2 RFC
On Mar 19, 2011 11:37 PM, "Olav Vitters" wrote: > ==> 1.4 GB in 31 days max Hi Olav, I am guessing you provided these numbers to help guide our bandwidth consumption? It is my intention to only use people.g.o for collaboration on this mailing list; I don't intend to post it to my blog or to use this server for gnome3.org. Our plan is to use the GNOME YouTube account for that. Do you have a recommendation for another place to collaborate? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fallback / Classic Mode
Allan: On 03/18/11 04:28 AM, Allan Day wrote: The message, as Olav has already pointed out, is that it is 'fallback', not 'classic' GNOME. It's what you get if you are unlucky enough not to be able to run the full GNOME 3 desktop. It isn't intended as something that users choose to use. (There is a switch in the control center that lets you force the fallback mode, however.) I can imagine some situations where a user would want to choose 'fallback' mode. For example, when accessing a remote machine via XDMCP or Xvnc, users would likely find that 'fallback' GNOME performs better - especially if latency is high. If my home directory is shared between the remote and local machine, I might want to use GNOME 3 on my local machine, but use "fallback" GNOME when I log into remote machines. I get your point that for the "average" or "typical" user, it probably does not make sense to expose the fallback/classic mode. However, there will likely always be particular configurations or setups where it makes sense for people to use it. Unless GNOME is evolving to simply just not support these sorts of use cases anymore. Brian -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Video #2 RFC
Jason D. Clinton wrote: > A first production attempt of launch video #2 is available here. > Comments, please. The sooner, the better because two more will be > produced tomorrow. > http://people.gnome.org/~jclinton/gnome3_launch_videos/gnome3_launch_video2_beta.webm Amazing! I'm so excited about having these; and they look so slick! I have a couple of suggestions... they are small niggles - totally ignore them if they are too much hassle. * Lorem ipsum: realistic content would be better. I'll be online in a couple of hours - ping me and I can work something up for you if you'd like. * 'it's as easy as that': unnecessary, I think. It could be pulled. * Hearing the script out loud, I realise that the script I wrote could be better. There are some repetitions of 'screen', for instance. Here are some alternatives: 'With GNOME 3, you can easily make a window fill half the screen. To do this, drag the window as before, but push it to one side. This is really useful, because you can use it to easily view two windows at once.' 'Again, each window can be returned to normal by dragging it away from the screen edge.' Many thanks, Allan -- Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
