Re: Video #2 RFC
Hey Jason, Awesome work! I love the format and the music! Just one suggestion, I have the feeling that transitions between the desktop and you standing are a bit too slow. For example, the second time you show up, there's more time of transitioning than you explaining to the camera, which isn't very nice. Other than that, I love it! Good work! :-) 2011/3/21 Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com: On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 22:53, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 19:05, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: A first production attempt of launch video #2 is available here. Comments, please. The sooner, the better because two more will be produced tomorrow. http://people.gnome.org/~jclinton/gnome3_launch_videos/gnome3_launch_video2_beta.webm I just uploaded an updated version with the same file name as above that incorporates some feedback: A release candidate is now in the same spot in 4Mbit/s rendering. Unless someone finds some problem with it, I say we try uploading this one to our YouTube account tomorrow, try embedding it on the gnome3.org site with UT, and see how it goes. All source files for this one are now posted, too. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fallback / Classic Mode
Brian Cameron wrote: Allan: On 03/18/11 04:28 AM, Allan Day wrote: The message, as Olav has already pointed out, is that it is 'fallback', not 'classic' GNOME. It's what you get if you are unlucky enough not to be able to run the full GNOME 3 desktop. It isn't intended as something that users choose to use. (There is a switch in the control center that lets you force the fallback mode, however.) I can imagine some situations where a user would want to choose 'fallback' mode. For example, when accessing a remote machine via XDMCP or Xvnc, users would likely find that 'fallback' GNOME performs better - especially if latency is high. If my home directory is shared between the remote and local machine, I might want to use GNOME 3 on my local machine, but use fallback GNOME when I log into remote machines. I get your point that for the average or typical user, it probably does not make sense to expose the fallback/classic mode. However, there will likely always be particular configurations or setups where it makes sense for people to use it. Unless GNOME is evolving to simply just not support these sorts of use cases anymore. In terms of marketing, I'm not sure it makes sense to be targeting these kinds of users right now. In the longer term, it would be useful to see wider discussion about GNOME's approach to these kinds of technical environments. Best wishes, Allan -- Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Video #2 RFC
Jason D. Clinton wrote: On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 22:53, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 19:05, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: A first production attempt of launch video #2 is available here. Comments, please. The sooner, the better because two more will be produced tomorrow. http://people.gnome.org/~jclinton/gnome3_launch_videos/gnome3_launch_video2_beta.webm I just uploaded an updated version with the same file name as above that incorporates some feedback: A release candidate is now in the same spot in 4Mbit/s rendering. Unless someone finds some problem with it, I say we try uploading this one to our YouTube account tomorrow, try embedding it on the gnome3.org site with UT, and see how it goes. All source files for this one are now posted, too. It's excellent. Allan -- Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fallback / Classic Mode
Hello Allan, I'm actually quite worried about this use case and the impact that 3.0 can have on them. Yes, corporate desktop is not the primary target for GNOME 3.0, but it is our largest install base by a long shot (schools, corporations, public entities, universities...). I think there's some thinking to do in terms of messaging in this specific topic to not scare these users away. Note that if sysadmins feel that we are going to give up on them, they may start looking into alternatives. We need to be clear that we want them to stick to 2.x/classic for now and that we are going to think about them in future releases. My 2 cents, Alberto 2011/3/21 Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com: Brian Cameron wrote: Allan: On 03/18/11 04:28 AM, Allan Day wrote: The message, as Olav has already pointed out, is that it is 'fallback', not 'classic' GNOME. It's what you get if you are unlucky enough not to be able to run the full GNOME 3 desktop. It isn't intended as something that users choose to use. (There is a switch in the control center that lets you force the fallback mode, however.) I can imagine some situations where a user would want to choose 'fallback' mode. For example, when accessing a remote machine via XDMCP or Xvnc, users would likely find that 'fallback' GNOME performs better - especially if latency is high. If my home directory is shared between the remote and local machine, I might want to use GNOME 3 on my local machine, but use fallback GNOME when I log into remote machines. I get your point that for the average or typical user, it probably does not make sense to expose the fallback/classic mode. However, there will likely always be particular configurations or setups where it makes sense for people to use it. Unless GNOME is evolving to simply just not support these sorts of use cases anymore. In terms of marketing, I'm not sure it makes sense to be targeting these kinds of users right now. In the longer term, it would be useful to see wider discussion about GNOME's approach to these kinds of technical environments. Best wishes, Allan -- Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME 3.0 parties - photo gallery and Photo competition ?
2011/3/18 Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 12:31 +0800, Emily Chen wrote: 2011/3/12 Frederic Crozat f...@crozat.net On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Emily Chen emilychen...@gmail.com wrote: For Best Photo Competition, in my mind, it is easy to do if we choose one photo tools, like picasa or flickr. For example, let's say we will have a photo set called GNOME 3.0 Launch Party , everyone can view and vote on each photos. Is there better tools for Best Photo Competition? Anyone can suggest ? I have to agree regarding Flickr 'group' as a tool to do photo contest. We used it several time for Photographic background contest when I was working at Mdv. I also have a small C program to download all photo from a set, which can help to do selection locally. Thanks for offering. People will be interested to use your tool to download all photos locally. For the best photo, I am thinking the best way should be on-line. The most visited photo ? Do we officially create a set for Best photo, can we share the account to upload photos ? I've started a page with rules for the competition. Please check it over and let me know what you think. :) http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/LaunchParty/PhotoCompetition Hi Allan, That's great. I edit the wiki to add a table, for people to update their photo links on wiki. They also need to send us by email as well. After we finalized the draft, can we announce it on www.gnome.org or www.gnome3.org sometime? -Emily Best, Allan -- Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fallback / Classic Mode
Alberto Ruiz wrote: Hello Allan, I'm actually quite worried about this use case and the impact that 3.0 can have on them. Yes, corporate desktop is not the primary target for GNOME 3.0, but it is our largest install base by a long shot (schools, corporations, public entities, universities...). I think there's some thinking to do in terms of messaging in this specific topic to not scare these users away. Do you have any suggestions for our marketing materials in this respect? It would be great if you could look over the materials that are currently in production. I'll send you them. Note that if sysadmins feel that we are going to give up on them, they may start looking into alternatives. We need to be clear that we want them to stick to 2.x/classic for now and that we are going to think about them in future releases. Sysadmins in general, or sysadmins in the contexts that Brian wrote about? I'm unaware of plans to tackle either of these... Allan -- Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fallback / Classic Mode
Hello Allan, Do you have any suggestions for our marketing materials in this respect? It would be great if you could look over the materials that are currently in production. I'll send you them. Please do! Sysadmins in general, or sysadmins in the contexts that Brian wrote about? I'm unaware of plans to tackle either of these... The large deployment sysadmins, basically the users of the distros providing corporate desktop (such as RHEL/Solaris/SLED), Dave Richards from PGO is probably a good example of the type I'm thiking about. I'm unaware of any plans myself as well, and I am not sure who is going to work on this. It might be worth having a chat with the guys taking care of these distros. -- Un saludo, Alberto Ruiz -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
New GNOME.Asia Summit website launched
Dear all, I've been told I should post more about the stuff we're doing for GNOME.Asia Summit here so here a humble attempt. We have pushed the updated website last night at 3am (luckily, since we had no Internet the whole day today) and everyone can view it at http://2011.gnome.asia . The work has been made possible thanks to the acquisition of 2 regional sponsors (regional as in Asian based) covering the commercial template (which we have slightly adapted) and the shiny brand new VPS (the site was previously hosted by one of the member of the GNOME.Asia team). All in all the preparation has been rather succesful from sponsors support to speakers attending. I'd like to thank everyone for making the trip to Bangalore for the GNOME 3.0 hackfest and the conference and the support from everyone we've contacted as well (some who can't make it). Of course we'll blog in more details very soon but in the meantime we thought we could share the news here. If you spot any typo or browser compatibility issue (the trucks @ the bottom don't work in chrome - known issue) please do let us know. Thanks to help us promote the event as well. Fred -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fallback / Classic Mode
Hi, Allan Day wrote: Brian Cameron wrote: I can imagine some situations where a user would want to choose 'fallback' mode. For example, when accessing a remote machine via XDMCP or Xvnc, users would likely find that 'fallback' GNOME performs better - especially if latency is high. If my home directory is shared between the remote and local machine, I might want to use GNOME 3 on my local machine, but use fallback GNOME when I log into remote machines. I get your point that for the average or typical user, it probably does not make sense to expose the fallback/classic mode. However, there will likely always be particular configurations or setups where it makes sense for people to use it. Unless GNOME is evolving to simply just not support these sorts of use cases anymore. In terms of marketing, I'm not sure it makes sense to be targeting these kinds of users right now. In the longer term, it would be useful to see wider discussion about GNOME's approach to these kinds of technical environments. I buy that, but I think it's important that we have a who is GNOME 3 *not* for (yet) which covers audiences for whom GNOME 3 is not appropriate. And we need to have a story for them - such as we recommend you stick with GNOME 2.32 for another 6 months, or whatever. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fallback / Classic Mode
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 11:15:26AM +, Alberto Ruiz wrote: The large deployment sysadmins, basically the users of the distros providing corporate desktop (such as RHEL/Solaris/SLED), Dave Richards from PGO is probably a good example of the type I'm thiking about. I'm unaware of any plans myself as well, and I am not sure who is going to work on this. It might be worth having a chat with the guys taking care of these distros. Now that you mention Dave Richards, maybe get a quote from him (if possible)? His thoughts on 3.0 and what he's planning to do. -- Regards, Olav -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Video #2 RFC
Nice work! I think these will really make a difference to folks new to GNOME or wondering about GNOME 3. Stormy On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 6:05 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.comwrote: A first production attempt of launch video #2 is available here. Comments, please. The sooner, the better because two more will be produced tomorrow. http://people.gnome.org/~jclinton/gnome3_launch_videos/gnome3_launch_video2_beta.webm -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Video #2 RFC
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: A release candidate is now in the same spot in 4Mbit/s rendering. Unless someone finds some problem with it, I say we try uploading this one to our YouTube account tomorrow, try embedding it on the gnome3.org site with UT, and see how it goes. Let's go for it. I'll guess you have access to the youtube account? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Video #2 RFC
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 03:58, Alberto Ruiz ar...@gnome.org wrote: Just one suggestion, I have the feeling that transitions between the desktop and you standing are a bit too slow. For example, the second time you show up, there's more time of transitioning than you explaining to the camera, which isn't very nice. Other than that, I love it! Good work! :-) I tried moving the transition time from 1s to 0.5s and it completely fell apart at low bit rates. However, I did address some of the problem by increasing the camera time slightly. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Video #2 RFC
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 12:02, Diego Escalante Urrelo die...@gnome.org wrote: On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: A release candidate is now in the same spot in 4Mbit/s rendering. Unless someone finds some problem with it, I say we try uploading this one to our YouTube account tomorrow, try embedding it on the gnome3.org site with UT, and see how it goes. Let's go for it. I'll guess you have access to the youtube account? No, I don't. Whoever does, please upload this 4Mbit/s final version to the YouTube account and coordinate the implementation on gnome3.org with Universal Subtitles: http://people.gnome.org/~jclinton/gnome3_launch_videos/gnome3_launch_video2_final.webm -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fallback / Classic Mode
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 07:15, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: In terms of marketing, I'm not sure it makes sense to be targeting these kinds of users right now. In the longer term, it would be useful to see wider discussion about GNOME's approach to these kinds of technical environments. I buy that, but I think it's important that we have a who is GNOME 3 *not* for (yet) which covers audiences for whom GNOME 3 is not appropriate. And we need to have a story for them - such as we recommend you stick with GNOME 2.32 for another 6 months, or whatever. There are no Enterprise distributions due out until at least the GNOME 3.4 time frame so please let's focus on what we actually need to focus on right now: the 3.0 launch. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fallback / Classic Mode
Jason D. Clinton wrote: On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 07:15, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: I buy that, but I think it's important that we have a who is GNOME 3 *not* for (yet) which covers audiences for whom GNOME 3 is not appropriate. And we need to have a story for them - such as we recommend you stick with GNOME 2.32 for another 6 months, or whatever. There are no Enterprise distributions due out until at least the GNOME 3.4 time frame so please let's focus on what we actually need to focus on right now: the 3.0 launch. shrug Not my call - I guess Allan Sumana, in collaboration with the board, are fixing priorities for the next 2-3 weeks. The whole fall-back messaging in particular the absence of a short list of places where this is known not to be appropriate seems to me to be setting us up for an entirely avoidable post-release shit-storm... but like I said, it's not my call. Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fallback / Classic Mode
For side note I wanted to add that I'm very happy that fallback/legacy mode exists. If we are looking for actual GNOME 3 adaption, this is a must, because people won't jump to GNOME 3 stright away. They will move to it gradually. Cheers and thanks everyone for this superb release! Peter. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fallback / Classic Mode
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 12:33, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: Jason D. Clinton wrote: shrug Not my call - I guess Allan Sumana, in collaboration with the board, are fixing priorities for the next 2-3 weeks. What does the Board have to do with the Marketing Team? Allan and Sumana, as members of the Marketing Team, are certainly good decision makers but the Board should not be doing any top-down management and I certainly hope that the Board is not putting Allan and Sumana in the difficult position of having to choose between what they know is the right thing to do and what their contract provider is asking that they do. I think that they are both qualified enough to stand on their own without being micromanaged. Further, I hope that any such discussions are transparent and exclusively on this mailing list. The whole fall-back messaging in particular the absence of a short list of places where this is known not to be appropriate seems to me to be setting us up for an entirely avoidable post-release shit-storm... but like I said, it's not my call. What do you mean, Not to be appropriate? Fallback will work everywhere that GNOME 2.x has worked and any sysadmin crazy enough to deploy an enterprise desktop roll-out of a non-Enterprise distribution already has the tools they need to force Fallback Mode if they are so inclined. I don't see why it's even remotely relevant to the release of 3.0. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fallback / Classic Mode
Hi, Jason D. Clinton wrote: What does the Board have to do with the Marketing Team? Allan and Sumana, as members of the Marketing Team, are certainly good decision makers but the Board should not be doing any top-down management and I certainly hope that the Board is not putting Allan and Sumana in the difficult position of having to choose between what they know is the right thing to do and what their contract provider is asking that they do. I think that they are both qualified enough to stand on their own without being micromanaged. Further, I hope that any such discussions are transparent and exclusively on this mailing list. It appears you're happy telling people what to concentrate on, all I'm saying is that I'm not. But I bet that this will be an issue, and it's one we can handle easily with a tiny bit of foresight. The whole fall-back messaging in particular the absence of a short list of places where this is known not to be appropriate seems to me to be setting us up for an entirely avoidable post-release shit-storm... but like I said, it's not my call. What do you mean, Not to be appropriate? GNOME 3 is not appropriate, apparently, over VNC, and over thin clients (at least, this is what I've taken away from this thread). So we need to say GNOME 3 won't work well in these situations, and since the GNOME 3 fall-back is not a full-featured GNOME desktop, you might want to stick with GNOME 2.32 if you're in this situation. Fallback will work everywhere that GNOME 2.x has worked and any sysadmin crazy enough to deploy an enterprise desktop roll-out of a non-Enterprise distribution already has the tools they need to force Fallback Mode if they are so inclined. I don't see why it's even remotely relevant to the release of 3.0. Do you think no-one will bring this up? Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fallback / Classic Mode
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 13:16, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: It appears you're happy telling people what to concentrate on, all I'm saying is that I'm not. I would appreciate it if you would avoid ascribing me to certain positions that I am not taking. But I bet that this will be an issue, and it's one we can handle easily with a tiny bit of foresight. There is no issue because we planned for a Fallback Mode in 3.0 from the beginning and it is implemented (modulo some bugs that need to be squashed before release.) The whole fall-back messaging in particular the absence of a short list of places where this is known not to be appropriate seems to me to be setting us up for an entirely avoidable post-release shit-storm... but like I said, it's not my call. What do you mean, Not to be appropriate? GNOME 3 is not appropriate, apparently, over VNC, and over thin clients (at least, this is what I've taken away from this thread). So we need to say GNOME 3 won't work well in these situations, and since the GNOME 3 fall-back is not a full-featured GNOME desktop, you might want to stick with GNOME 2.32 if you're in this situation. GNOME 3 is *not* GNOME Shell. I'm disheartened that you are this misinformed as a regular reader of this mailing list and a blogger on Planet GNOME. Frankly, I don't know what else we could have done to better inform you but if you have a suggestion as to how it is that you came to be so misguided and what we could have done to reach out to you earlier, that would certainly help this marketing process. Fallback will work everywhere that GNOME 2.x has worked and any sysadmin crazy enough to deploy an enterprise desktop roll-out of a non-Enterprise distribution already has the tools they need to force Fallback Mode if they are so inclined. I don't see why it's even remotely relevant to the release of 3.0. Do you think no-one will bring this up? Bring what up? Fallback Mode is part of GNOME 3. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fallback / Classic Mode
Let's not get into arguments over this. I think it is a little late to be talking about running GNOME 3/Shell over VNC and virtual appliances. We have a release in less than 3 weeks. If someone is interested in this problem and interested in working on this messaging then please step up and volunteer. I believe it is a hole, but right now we have resources committed to the release. Definitely though, after the release we need to think about: a) improving shell experience on VMware/VirtualBox/KVM whatever. That's something we can control.. If we can improve 3D on virtual machine that's just good for everyone and we can work on that after the release. b) I've been re-thinking the VNC issue, and I think that this doesn't matter too much. Most enterprise environments (who I think use VNC the most) want a stable environment, and GNOME 3 is a large enough change that it will require a lot longer for them to evaluate whether to bring it in. Training, documentation all comes into play in these corporate environments. But we will need to come up with an answer for this scenario over time. Hope that makes sense. So, let's drop the issue for now unless someone wants to volunteer doing it and which case.. talk to us on #marketing, I can help. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Q4 Update
Better late than never, I've finished the Q4 update. If anyone has time to proof it for any big spelling or grammar mistakes, I'd appreciate the help. Thanks! Paul http://foundation.gnome.org/reports/gnome-report-2010-Q4.html -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
About GNOME, Support GNOME
Hi all, I've been working on the content for the new gnome.org site recently. There are a couple of pages that I would appreciate feedback on: About GNOME [1] and Support GNOME [2]. Both are early drafts. About About GNOME: it's a new version of an existing page [3]. I wanted it to be a statement of values and identity. There are phrases in there that I would like to reuse in other marketing materials, such as the 3.0 release notes and press release. About Support GNOME: we don't currently have this, but it seems pretty essential to me. I'm sure there are plenty of items that I've missed. Tell me what! Best, Allan [1] http://wptest.gnome.org/about/ [2] http://wptest.gnome.org/support-gnome/ [3] http://www.gnome.org/about/ -- Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: About GNOME, Support GNOME
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 15:25, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: About Support GNOME: we don't currently have this, but it seems pretty essential to me. I'm sure there are plenty of items that I've missed. Tell me what! I stopped working on the FoG videos here [1] because the FoG site was going to be redone with space for a video player. Maybe these videos are better on this page? [1] http://people.gnome.org/~jclinton/FoG/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
