Re: push back on negative articles
On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 18:17 -0700, Bruce Byfield wrote: Hi, Karen: How is your time on Thursday? I'm available 10am-6pm Pacific time I suggest spending 30-40 minutes on the phone. We could also do chat, or I could send you questions by email, but the phone is probably the least effort for you. Probably worth mentioning now that the upcoming openSUSE Summit in Orlando, FL will also be host to the GNOME User Experience Hackfest, organized by Federico Mena Quintero. He's working on the press release as we speak and we'll be adding it to the Summit website hopefully by the end of this week. I'm still getting the details myself on this hackfest, but one thing I do know is that the hackfest involves a trip to Largo, Florida where the city extensively uses open source and GNOME on over 800 thin clients and servers. I'm not directly involved in organizing this hackfest. We're mainly just giving them a place to hack for the weekend and keep their bellies full. :-) Federico would be a better person to talk to if you want more details about it. Would be a good opportunity for you to meet with UX hackers and get some firsthand discussions on the successes (and yes failures) of GNOME 3 and where it will go from here. Bryen M Yunashko http://summit.opensuse.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Any chance to move your MLs to Google Groups?
On Thu, 2012-08-16 at 14:51 +0300, alex diavatis wrote: Hello, I guess what I am asking will never make it. Think it as just another opinion :) Moving from MLs to Google Groups will get nothing but advantages. Sharing and Discovering Open Source is about sharing. Sharing isn't working good in hardly discovered MLs. I am also saying this because of the close source Google platform. Is better to use a close platform and be more open source rather to use an open platform and be less open source. Besides you also maintain some repos in Github, and I wish you will move there. Searching and Discovering There are many how-tos and tips on your mailing lists about coding. Searching in Google doesn't show them. Easy of Use Nothing to say here, you all have used Google Groups(GG) :) One thing only is the good searching inside the GG and how easily you can follow, respond, star a subject etc etc Popularity / Get more people to Gnome You'll get definitely more responses, more people will involve Gnome Image You'll get a more modern face. Maintaining Easier for you Gnome and Google People use Google. Gnome use Google a lot. GOA, Documents (Google Drive support now?), Calendar etc.. Tie your platform more with Google. I am not in favor of Google but I'm in favor of the best option at the moment MLs aside with GG I am not asking you to remove the MLs. You can handle them as Gnome Live. With closed registration but with open view. Or another way.. Anyway, I might say stupid things! Thank you - alex Use of @google signifies amateurity and threatens branding efforts by marketing teams within organizations. I find it completely unprofessional when a formal organization sends me an email that is mail@google.com or @gmail.com instead of @orgname.org. It sends a very strong message to readers that the organization isn't even solified enough to have its own infrastructure. And this affects branding as well. gnome.org is a very important part of the branding. Moreover, while it is good to have many people join a mailing list, it would be extremely chaotic if we made it that much easier to join mailing lists. We would immediately become overcrowded, bikeshedding would be a daily occurance, and distraction would be the order of the day. Google Groups requires attentive administration. I can automatically join any current mailing list on GNOME (or in any other formal open source organization) and immediately participate. Far too frequently when I join a Google Group, I have to wait days, if not weeks until someone realizes to accept my request to join. It is a ridiculous waste of our resources to have someone sitting around to pay attention to that level of administration. Google Groups has its place, and yes Google Groups offers benefits in that you can easily search for mailing lists that fit your interests. But that isn't what and how mailing lists work for in many open source organizations. That's what forums and the like are for. It is not harmonious to put ourselves in the hands of Google or any other organization and cede control of our own infrastructure. Bryen M Yunashko -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Any chance to move your MLs to Google Groups?
On Thu, 2012-08-16 at 17:27 +0200, Andre Klapper wrote: On Thu, 2012-08-16 at 15:41 +0300, alex diavatis wrote: Gnome uses Twitter etc. I see a difference here: Gnome uses Twitter, but it does not *rely* on it, while mailing lists are a critical infrastructure part. Gnome could theoretically not use Twitter as there would be still Identi.ca (free and open), Google Plus and Facebook for spreading short messages. andre -- And Facebook is a perfect example of chaos in the hands of others. I don't know how it is for GNOME, but for other organizations, Facebook has proven to be a headache because they change group and page administration methods at will, and there is a proliferation of independently-created groups and pages that support an organization making it much harder to disseminate information. At last year's Community Leadership Summit, many organizations complained that it took at least an hour per day to disseminate information on all the groups and pages on Facebook. We have no control over that and we are left at the mercy of an infrastructure that is not ours to manage. When Facebook supporters reaches into the thousands, it is very hard for us to disseminate information directly to all individual supporters. Bryen M Yunashko -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: SELF
On Sat, 2012-06-02 at 13:19 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: The southwest is not particularly have a lot of free software people in desktop. We seem to be concentrated in Boston and Europe. Portland of course has some middleware people but the only number of GNOMErs is maybe Vancouver. With all due respect, I think this is not an effective way to market GNOME. GNOME is a global effort and needs to be seen visibly in as many places as it should. If we're only visible at places where it is heavily-populated by GNOMEies, then we're just preaching to the choir. We shouldn't just give up on regions where we don't seem to have presence, but rather increase our focus on such regions. If the Southeast is particularly quiet, that's all the more reason to go to SELF and be visible. If we cannot set up a booth and send ambassadors there, then perhaps what we can/should do is organize or give tips on how to organize a GNOME Meetup at as many locations as possible. How many other Jason Rowe's are going to SELF? I'll be at SELF, but working the openSUSE booth. And FYI, KDE will also have a booth there. I assumed, wrongly, that GNOME was going to have a booth there. :-/ Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Rollup Display
On Sun, 2012-05-06 at 23:17 +0200, Tobias Mueller wrote: Heya :) I'm picking up this old discussion so that we can eventually get roll-up displays. I am aware of the fact that they won't fit in the EventBox, but well, we can probably find someone to store them somewhere and with the displays costing ~50 Euro it's probably not worth sending them around Europe anyway. On 06.02.2012 16:48, Stormy Peters wrote: I 100% support having a table cloth and a roll up self-standing banner Andreas provided a mockup here: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/ArtRequests/rollup-display-ad I'd like to receive comments on that. Ideally, until next week or so, so that we might even be able to get the thing for LinuxTag. The cheapest offer I found is 52 Euro incl. everything (VAT and shipping) http://www.wir-machen-druck.de/category.htm?c=14136. Does anybody have a cheaper offer? Cheers, Tobi In the U.S. I've gotten 4 foot x 8 foot banner for less $45 USD which would be less than 52 Euro. :-) bannersonthecheap.com They do nice work, quick and cheap delivery. Ordering in bulk obviously brings the price down. At openSUSE, we decided it was far more economical to simply print a bunch of these banners and ship them regionally and let the ambassadors keep them. Ship-and-keep. We replace upon request or if we've updated the banner artwork. A 4x8 banner is a bit awkward to transport if you are traveling. No problem if you just throw it in the trunk of your car though. :-) I had to hunt around and came up with a solution for transporting when I travel. I found a 50-inch fishing-pole bag on Amazon and I found a 48-inch mailing tube. I put the banner inside the tube and then put the tube inside the bag for easy checkin on the plane. This keeps the banner from getting smashed around inside the soft-sided fishing pole bag. This, of course, could be problematic depending on what airline you use if they only allow you one checked bag. Fortunately the airline I frequently use allows two checked bags. Shipping with the mailing tube also works. It's a very durable tube for about $10. Easy to re-label and ship to another location. The gotcha is in deciding how you're going to hang the banners. I have my own set of banner stands and put them in my LARGE suitcase. I use a muselin stand instead of a bonafide banner stand because it is extremely cheaper and then simply use ties to hold the banner. I believe I paid about $35 for my muselin stand on Amazon and it accommodates up to 10 feet wide. The 4x8 banner creates a full backdrop that usually covers the full width of a typical table booth. I also print our posters on these vinyl banners. A 2 foot x 3 foot vinyl banner runs about $12 USD. Thus re-usable and no worries about torn paper posters. And you can easily roll up the small banners inside the larger banner for one easy carry-around. The above works well for me and I've been to several events in the last month carrying this around with me, even when I have to use my white cane to walk around. The bag is large enough to sling on your back. Very doable, lightweight, effective and attracts a lot of traffic at events compared to other booths. Another alternative I have thought about. If carrying around a 4 foot rolled up banner is a problem, you can also order smaller banners that function like panels. Hang them vertically to create a 2 or 3 panel display. Yet when rolled up, can fit into a smaller bag, albeit thicker. (Smaller bags are way easier to find.) Hope that helps! Bryen M Yunashko -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Rollup Display
On Sun, 2012-05-06 at 23:17 +0200, Tobias Mueller wrote: Andreas provided a mockup here: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/ArtRequests/rollup-display-ad I'd like to receive comments on that. Ideally, until next week or so, so that we might even be able to get the thing for LinuxTag. This is a nice layout. However, can be problematic depending on the way your booth is set up. If the banner is set up in the back of the booth, people are less likely to see the critical information at the bottom www.gnome.org. Less of a problem if you place this vertical banner at the front of the booth (although high potential for people knocking it over.) My suggestion is to come up with a horizontal-designed banner rather than a vertical one. Of course, proper selection is greatly impacted by the actual venue itself. Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo]
On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 19:23 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: Why? Because we would have to argue what set of components is equivalent to powered by GNOME. The argument might seem simple until you actually start doing it. There might be maintainers who might object to having their project labeled as powered by GNOME because it would feel like we were taking advantage of them. There is also the whole GNU/Linux mess.. Why would there be an argument? I don't think anyone here is assuming that we're going to go around like some Labeling Police to these other projects and insist they include powered by GNOME somewhere in their offerings. Its completely up to them to decide whether to have the label or not. If they feel some inner sense of ethical duty to pay homage to GNOME with powered by GNOME labeling, awesome. If they choose not to, their right. Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: A11y @ Ohio Linux Fest
On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 01:44 -0400, Karen Sandler wrote: this is a great idea! I've been talking with various orgs about ways we can work together to promote accessibility and this seems like a great way to really get started. let me know how I can help! karen At this point, what we need is the I'm in! factor. So far, I'm seeing marketing folks respond to this, and that's great, but we really want to be careful not to make this look like a purely marketing effort. People out there are interested in a11y, but need more indepth information on the technical side. I guess the next step we can do while waiting for more technical guru I'm in!'s is to collaborate on the list of people/orgs to ping. Karen, you and I could work together on this. I'd like to try to at least get some level of direction that we'll be moving forth on this before I reach out to OLF. Now is good time to work with OLF because they're still in the early planning stages of their event. Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo]
On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 18:12 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, On 04/17/2012 05:43 AM, Karen Sandler wrote: This says Powered by GNOME and I know that some folks wanted us to shy away from using terms like that or GNOME Technologies, though I think it's also necessary to provide ways for folks to say that there are GNOME components involved in their products to help people understand how useful GNOME is. Personally I have no issues with Powered by GNOME - the stickers are destined to be stuck to a laptop after all, not a GNOME derivative. Cheers, Dave. Just out of curiosity, why do some people have issues with powered by GNOME phrase? Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo]
On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 18:24 +0100, Juanjo Marín wrote: - Mensaje original - De: Bryen M Yunashko a11yro...@bryen.com Para: marketing-list@gnome.org CC: Enviado: Martes 17 de abril de 2012 18:17 Asunto: Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo] On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 18:12 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, On 04/17/2012 05:43 AM, Karen Sandler wrote: This says Powered by GNOME and I know that some folks wanted us to shy away from using terms like that or GNOME Technologies, though I think it's also necessary to provide ways for folks to say that there are GNOME components involved in their products to help people understand how useful GNOME is. Personally I have no issues with Powered by GNOME - the stickers are destined to be stuck to a laptop after all, not a GNOME derivative. I think there is some confusion about what GNOME is. GNOME creates a complete Free Desktop solution. The GNOME Project also creates several software components in order to get this solution. Powered by GNOME can also be associated to other Desktop solutions that, though they use GNOME components, are not GNOME ( XFCE and Unity for example). The fact another projects choose GNOME components for building their projects is a good thing, even for the GNOME Project, but we want to communicate the whole GNOME experience to the users. As Dave Neary smarly points out, there isn't too much problem with a sticker Powered by GNOME because they are supposed to be suck to a laptop, not a GNOME derivative. Cheers, -- Juanjo Marin Even if a GNOME derivative wanted to say powered by GNOME why would that be a bad thing? We get the benefit of increased mindshre where our GNOME logo appears in more places. If those derivatives choose to pay homage to GNOME by using such a phrase, more power to them. :-) Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo]
On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 19:03 +0100, Juanjo Marín wrote: De: Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.com Para: a11yro...@bryen.com CC: Juanjo Marín juanjomari...@yahoo.es; marketing-list@gnome.org marketing-list@gnome.org Enviado: Martes 17 de abril de 2012 19:53 Asunto: Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo] Even if a GNOME derivative wanted to say powered by GNOME why would that be a bad thing? We get the benefit of increased mindshre where our GNOME logo appears in more places. If those derivatives choose to pay homage to GNOME by using such a phrase, more power to them. :-) Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list I'm with Bryen - I really don't see how having our name on compuers would in any way be a bad thing. I keep looking for someplace with reasonable linux stickers - I really want a tux something that says GNOME not just the logo. Actually now that I've checked their site I'll probably end up buying some of theris:) Well, so far, all we agree to go with the stickers :-) The cons of the GNOME and derivatives debate: There are many people out there confused out there about what GNOME, GNOME.3, GNOME shell, Unity, Unity 3D, Unity 2D, GNOME classics, fallback mode, CInnamon, Mate, GNOME panel, etc are. Cheers, -- Juanjo Marin I'm confused about what many of the things are on OSX, Windows, KDE, etc. because I don't use them. Its quite natural for people to not understand what all these names mean when they're not actually using them. Desktops have many components. That's the way it is and always will be. But mindshare is a different thing from marketshare. Mindshare speaks to branding familiarity. And if you see all those things you listed above with powered by GNOME that only helps us, not hurt us as it increases our mindshare. People see GNOME name no matter where. You can kind of make a similiar analogy to how Ubuntu does this. I'm sure a noumber of us have shown our non-Ubuntu desktop to some person to introduce them to another Linux and they go Oh yea, that's Ubuntu and we have a bit of a challenge to explain to them... no this desktop isn't Ubuntu, its $Linux. But mindshare is there, people equate in their mind that when they see $Linux, they see Ubuntu. (Not bashing Ubuntu here.) Wouldn't we want people to see derivatives of GNOME and still associate the name GNOME in their minds no matter what? Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Friends of GNOME campaign
On Wed, 2012-04-18 at 01:22 +0200, Oliver Propst wrote: On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: hi all, We've had the accessibility campaign up for a while, and I'm going to post a new item about it this week (pointing to Diego's story - http://www-old.gnome.org/friends/a11y-testimonial-2.html) but I think it's time to start looking ahead. What do we think the next campaign should be? And when should we ideally launch it? (While giving full consideration to running the current campaign for the right amount of time.) karen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list Maybe the current campaign should continue until GNOME ASIA in the beginning/middle of June. The next campaign could start in end of July/the beginning of August and continue through the fall to November and in December we can lunch a Christmas/New Year campaign. The end of July/ beginning of August are a good time to start a new campaign because the GNOME project usually get some press attention around that time because of GUADEC and the upcoming release in September. Here are a few suggestions of themes for a new campaign. Website/infrastructure campaign. One resource that many GNOME users and contributors take for granted are the websites and infrastructure that support the GNOME project in various way. In the marketing meeting we had back in October it was stated that the website/infrastructure was not in ideal shape (http://goo.gl/eB0um). I know that the past months great progress have been made with the websites (foundation website migration to new design). I'm not sure this would be effective for a campaign. Yes you raise valid points about why we could use additional funds to cover infrastructure, but from a human-appeal POV, I don't think a campaign about web infrastructure is going to make someone dig into their pockets to donate, unless they happen to be close to GNOME already. This campaign would leave out those who might donate out of a basic human appeal. A campaign to raise money for website/infrastructure work could also be a good way to raise awareness about the GNOME infrastructure. The money collected could be used to improve the website/infrastructure and finish outstanding website projects (mention of the projects are in meeting minutes). Developer documentation campaign If the GNOME project are to succeed it is important that great apps are available and if want we want developers to write great apps for GNOME it is important that they have access to good developer documentation (including examples). While the developer documentation are not that bad today, I think it could be much better. When I look at the developer documentation I get the feeling that there are certain 'gaps' that need to be filled, certain topics needed to be explained in greater detail and we need to provide more code examples tutorials. The money collected could be used to “fill the the gaps” and construct examples/tutorials. Tagline: Help make great GNOME 3 apps possible Good developers want good documentation, help make it possible I love this idea. Only one problem, money raised != documentation written. Just because we've raised the money doesn't mean we'll get developers to document or at the very least collaborate on documentation. People are going to want to know their money was actually put to good use and if 1 year from the end of campaign we still have same level of documentaiton quality, people are not going to forgive us the next time we ask for money. :-) Anjuta IDE campaign As well as it is important for developers to have access to good documentation it is important for all GNOME developers that do non trivial programming to have access to a great IDE. As I understand it, the official GNOME IDE Anjuta are missing features from a modern state of the art IDE, look a bit outdated and have old non trivial bugs that need to be resolved. A campaign could raise money to help fix these issues. Tagline: Ease the life for GNOME developers “Help make it easy and enjoyable to develop for GNOME” This would be a viable campaign. Not sure if it would be exciting to the masses, but it spears two benefits: 1) Raise money for Anjuta and 2) Raise awareness about the existence of Anjuta. Anyone who sees Anjuta will ask Gee, what's that? and investigate a bit more (hopefully.) In general I think the upcoming campaign should aim at making the life easier for GNOME developers and thus make it easier to contribute to GNOME. -- -Mvh Oliver Propst -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo]
On Mon, 2012-04-16 at 23:43 -0400, Karen Sandler wrote: I'm catching up on my queue from all of the travel I've had, and one of the items that was on my to do list was to follow up on this trademark request. I (and the board) think in this instance the trademark request is something that the marketing team should weigh in on. Check out the attached image for the proposed sticker. While I like the sticker a lot and think it's well designed, it maybe touches on some bigger questions about the GNOME brand and how we want to market ourselves. This says Powered by GNOME and I know that some folks wanted us to shy away from using terms like that or GNOME Technologies, though I think it's also necessary to provide ways for folks to say that there are GNOME components involved in their products to help people understand how useful GNOME is. Allan Day and I had a long discussion about some issues connected to this at FOSDEM (with Dave Neary and Emily Gonyer too) but it was impossible to come to any quick conclusions there. This is a narrower request, so maybe we don't need to tackle the huge questions now, but what do you think about this? I think it's kind of a neat way of handling our problem (though I'd of course ask them to include the TM, etc to comply with our policy - so don't worry about that part). thanks! karen At openSUSE, we have a similar system label that we distribute at FOSS events. They're quite popular as people love to put them over the Windows system label that comes with most PCs. I don't see a problem with GNOME having a similar label. I also have a system label with Tux Penguin on it. I'm personally looking forward to getting my hands on a GNOME system label once its available. I say go for it and I hope at some point GNOME Foundation also includes these labels in the GNOME booth kit. It's relatively inexpensive to print these rolls in bulk and easy to transport to events. Bryen Original Message Subject: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo From:i...@nixstickers.com i...@nixstickers.com Date:Mon, March 26, 2012 8:14 am To: licens...@gnome.org -- Hi, Concerning the GNOME trademark policy: https://live.gnome.org/Foundation/LicensingGuidelines I'm Teemu Otala from NixStickers.com (site still under construction). NixStickers.com will be a webshop where one can purchase reasonable priced OpenSource related stickers; *nix like distros, software (Apache, Tomcat, etc) and programming languages (Python, Perl, etc). The selection will depend on the responses/approvals from the trademark/logo owners. Estimated price for a sticker is around 0.70-1 euros at the moment. The idea is to raise the awareness of OpenSource software with fashionable stickers that developers and users can use to decorate their hardware. The site is not non-profit, but it is not really about making money either as this site is more of a hobby for me. I would like to request your permission to use GNOME logo and perhaps text GNOME (with R) on a sticker - see attached file for early draft version. Could you please respond if this request can be approved even partially, and if so what should be changed in the sticker design. The original idea is to get these ready for LinuxTag2012 in Berlin, I would like to visit GNOME stand to give out some free GNOME stickers. Best Regards, Teemu Otala +358-40-841 6966 -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
A11y @ Ohio Linux Fest
This year, Ohio Linux Fest will be held in Columbus, Ohio September 28-30. I initially thought about proposing my A11y: Its about you! talk, but after reading the OLF website, knowing their interests in promoting open A11y, and seeing how people commented about a11y at Indiana Linux Fest last weekend, I thought... Why not go for something bigger this time? Go for the bang! My proposal: 1. We set up a very large booth that isn't focused on any one organization, but rather on open a11y in general. Booth staff would include reps from GNOME, Mozilla, FSF, Oracle, etc. Hands on demonstrations of what our software can do. 2. Propose more advanced talks, such as How you can test to ensure your software is accessible, or how to deploy a11y software in your environment. (I get asked this a lot!) My It's about you! talk really is more an introduction/marketing talk. It's good, but doesn't do enough to get more people to pay attention to a11y in their own development. 3. Organize a hacksession, perhaps either one of our traditional fix what's broken in a11y events, or fix what's accessibly-broken in non a11y-software. OLF has a community day on Friday which is more focused on workshops and whatnot. An ideal day to set up hacksessions before the main event on Saturday. I think given the combined resources of the various organizations and that a number of a11y contributors live somewhat close to Ohio, we could make a good go of this. And potentially make this a blueprint for organizing similar events around the world. Getting more people aware, interested, and involved, is a good thing, IMO. It would also create an opportunity to invite local agencies, school districts, etc. that work with people of various abilities. A plus for us to demonstrate our awesomeness to target audiences, and a plus for the event host to increase attendance to their show. I'm not proposing we do this instead of traditional dotOrg booths. For example, if GNOME community plans to have a booth, they should still do so. But we would be creating a traveling A11y Center of which GNOME would be a consortium member. Frankly, I think this would be a more likely success-story outcome than at places like CSUN conference. Thoughts? Bryen M Yunashko -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing Meeting next week.
On Fri, 2012-03-16 at 17:23 +, Allan Day wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote: ... In the past year and a half, I've come to really appreciate video calls. In my experience, meetings held via video are universally more on track and productive. I much prefer them over phone only calls now. ... That's been my recent experience too. It'd be great to avoid Google but I'm yet to find a good alternative. Allan I've been quite happy with the inclusion of a meetbot during IRC meetings. It totally automates the minutes, action items, info points and logging in a way I can't see video conferencing achieve. Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing Meeting next week.
On Fri, 2012-03-16 at 18:46 +0100, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, On 03/16/2012 06:26 PM, Bryen M Yunashko wrote: I've been quite happy with the inclusion of a meetbot during IRC meetings. It totally automates the minutes, action items, info points and logging in a way I can't see video conferencing achieve. Personally I think meetbot minutes can't hold a candle to human written/typed minutes. Most meetbot minutes look like this to me: Meeting started by nick1 at 16:00:46 UTC (full logs). Meeting summary: * Topic 1 (nick1, 16:05:03) * url (nick2, 16:23:22) * ACTION: Update proposal (nick1, 16:35:19) * Topic 2 (nick1, 16:38:01) * ACTION: Request comments on mailing list (nick2, 16:58:12) Meeting ended at 16:59:30 UTC (full logs). Basically useless - and you need to read the full logs to get any information. MeetBot automates nothing - it requires someone responsible for minutes during the meeting. Also, meetings that aren't linear, but where someone wants to add something at the end of a meeting related to something earlier, are a mess in meetbot. Unstacking actions, or changing stuff that is already minuted, is really hard. But we do this with written minutes all the time. Cheers, Dave. Agreed. I try to go for Executive Summary (human written) after the meetbot has done its job. But I find the two tools together make for the perfect magical combination rather than one or the other. The meetbot can be useful that someone can volunteer to make a human-friendly minutes without even being present at the meeting because of transcripts etc. How do you get a transcript of a video conference? That seems to only be useful for those who are present at the meeting, but not for those who are unable to attend the meeting but still want to read the meeting transcript? Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing Meeting next week.
On Mon, 2012-03-12 at 16:00 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: I have setup a doodle for a marketing meeting using google hangouts. Please RSVP what would be the best time. If I'm missing a convenient time zone, please let me know. All the times are London times, (GMT -7 for west coast, -6 for mountain, etc) How come the meeting has to be in some Google service instead of our own marketing IRC channel? Bryen Agenda: * talk about the GNOME 3.4 release * Current marketing projects http://www.doodle.com/2ya325ssgyat9zpd sri -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Donations only through PayPal?
On Wed, 2012-02-15 at 12:44 -0500, Emily Gonyer wrote: Hi there, I just donated to the Friends of GNOME Campaign and was dissapointed to have to make a PayPal account. Is there a way we could allow donations through Google Checkout or at least as a guest via paypal, rather than forcing everyone to have have an actual paypal account? I deleted mine a while ago in response to the wikileaks fiasco, and would have much rather not had to use PayPal at all, and I suspect I am not alone. You shouldn't have to have a paypal account in order to make a paypal payment. That's one of the things Paypal actually boasts about. But, having multiple options are a good thing, because if Google Checkout were the only option, I would be unable to make a payment (since Google screwed up my Google account and I can't do any Google transactions for over a year now.) Paypal is also an issue for certain countries. Brazil is one of them, but that's probably more a international banking issue than payment method. Bryen Just a thought! Emily -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME FOSDEM Stand
On Wed, 2012-02-15 at 02:24 +0100, Tobias Mueller wrote: The route is handy for CeBIT and the projector for LinuxTag. Both things are likely not essential but worth the space. One probably doesn't need both items all the time, but the box is nicely packed and I imagine it'd be quite some effort to repack the box everytime before it's send off. That assumes the box has a round-trip back to its storage location. But there are times when the box might be forwarded on to a next event from the previous event. That's happened at least a couple of times if I'm not mistaken. So, customizing the box contents per event isn't always realistic. Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME FOSDEM Stand
On Wed, 2012-02-15 at 02:20 +0100, Tobias Mueller wrote: Hey Dave :) On 09.02.2012 15:53, Dave Neary wrote: What did people think of them? Posters are awesome. But unfortunately quite unhandy, i.e. one has to take care to not fold them or to not destroy them with adhesive tape. Maybe instead of tape, include a box of Teacher's Putty. It's reusable and doesn't destroy the material. In fact some event venues ban use of tape, and only allow Putty instead. For last LinuxTag, I produced posters using PosteRazor and pdfposter. These pieces of software give you a PDF with DIN A4 sheets that you print and glue together to get your full sized poster. Quite some work, but dirt cheap (assuming you can print DIN A4 cheaply). Cheers, Tobi -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Gnumeric still available?
The only time I've ever seen such endeavors succeed is when there's some sort of editorial schedule in place. Mapping out what you want to see published over a certain period of time (say 2-3 months) makes it a lot easier to poke people to step up and write something. The existence of an editorial schedule doesn't guarantee success. But the lack of a schedule seems (from my experience) to guarantee failure. Bryen On Mon, 2012-02-13 at 15:03 -0500, Emily Gonyer wrote: Obviously its going to take work to keep updated, however, pretty much anything we do to add content and give people a reason to come to the gnome.org site is going to take work. If we want to have a site that people find useful interesting, and give them a reason to keep coming back, we're going to have to keep working on it and writing new content. Nothing we do is going to both give new content be work free. Its just not going to happen. We can make it stream-lined and easier to keep up-to-date, but its still going to mean writing/creating new content. If we want to do something similar to what I suggested, we definitely need to get a back log of sorts started first with a half dozen or so articles written and in the pipeline ready to publish, so that if/when something happens and something doesn't get written right away we have backups to go to first before it becomes obvious that updates are no longer happening - give us a month or two to get new stuff written, while still publishing. I don't know, I guess I just feel like this push for new content is coming up against a wall of not wanting to have to actually *create* said new content, which means that in the end we stick with pretty much what we have, while still lacking new content! Either we have to accept having a gnome.org site which lacks content, and therefor doesn't really do much in promotion of GNOME, or we have to simply decide that we're willing to put the work in to make a great site with at least some new content constantly being created in order to promote GNOME. Right now, the consensus seems to be that we stick with what we have, even if that means not doing much for the promotion of GNOME in the long run. Emily On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Christy Eller iamchristyel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi- I think what Karen says is unfortunately the case, although I like Emily's idea. We don't have the contributor continuity that it would require to pull off a page that needs that much updating. My suggestion would just be to add more apps (with links to their own pages) to the page that already exists, highlight apps in the news section occasionally, and possibly link from their entry on the page to the article about them in the news. As far as the comment about Downloading GNOME, I totally agree. When I go to a web page for a download, I look for the word Download. When I first came to the GNOME page, it took me too long to figure out where to go to download GNOME. Of course, that could be my problem :) But, I have heard this comment from 2 other people on the marketing channel since then. Currently, you have to go from Discover GNOME 3 to Find out how to get GNOME 3. Perhaps there is a good reason for this. It would be very easy to change this if we all agree. I could put the word Download on the first page, or the second page- and I could also put Download in the top navigation, or whatever else is decided. Thanks for bringing it up- Christy On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Mon, February 13, 2012 8:44 am, Emily Gonyer wrote: What if we kept the list (and added to it) and then rotated through it on a monthly (or even weekly) basis, highlighting one application at a time, with a top bar that says Coming Next week/month _ with the name of whichever application will be featured next, perhaps the same thing below only 'Last week's featured application ' and have each one archived, so that when you click on the name of the program you get whatever was written up on it when it was last featured. This would give us a reason to write short articles on each, and a way to ensure that they all stay up-to-date - as they rotate through the 'featured' section, we'd go back to each set of
Re: We are GNOME movie
On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 10:24 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: I noticed the following: http://launch.wearemaersk.com/ It is a movie which pretty much explains the goal of a company. It also talks about some challenges. I think it would be nice to have a movie like that to explain GNOME. And then something which is not out of date within a year. I guess it is very difficult to produce, but it would be nice to have such a video. The goal would be to show it on www.gnome.org, and we could show it during conferences. We'd need captions for conferences though. -- Regards, Olav We need captions at all times, not just at conferences. :-) Some of us, including me, are Deaf and can't follow the online videos without some kind of subtitling. It's getting to be a problem as more and more things are going towards video and it pushes out the Deaf community as potential adopters of $opensource-project. And there is a significant amount of people with hearing loss in the world. For example in the US, it is estimated that 10% of the population has a hearing loss. That amounts to over 30-million people. Furthermore, captioning expands our reach across language barriers. With the option to select the caption in a language of your choice, we reach multiple countries with the same video. Also, the captions help increase search-engine indexing quality. Search engines can scan text (captions) for keywords, but not videos themselves. :-) I would love to see the open source community evolve its thinking to integrate captioning at all times, and not just for specific things like conferences. (stepping off soapbox) Bryen M Yunashko -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME FOSDEM Stand
On Thu, 2012-02-09 at 07:40 -0500, Emily Gonyer wrote: As for shipping it around, all of the stuff that was there could not have possibly fit in 'the' event box as it was, and the bigger the box becomes the more unwieldly it becomes as well, so I don't think a new bigger box is the answer. How is the box currently moved around? Are we paying for shipping or are people simply checking it on their flights back and forth to different places, and then hauling it around from there? Is it too large to be checked as typical baggage? If thats the case, why not look into a large suitcase or two that could be easily checked as baggage? They're usually shipped. And the shipping isn't cheap. I don't have an actual cost of what it cost us to ship the GNOME box here in the US, but knowing shipping costs, it wasn't a few bucks. :-) As for taking it on a plane with you, it wouldn't resolve the cost of getting the box back to its destination storage location. You'd still have to ship it once you got back home. But even if this were an option, second-bag charges on airlines also negate this. As expensive as it is in many US airlines to add a second bag, its even more expensive in EU. I was once charged 100 Euros for a second bag in EU. (Yikes!) Overall, I simply don't find the box useful, as I mentioned in another post on this thread. There are better things to ship than what currently exists if we're going to spend all that money on shipping stuff. I'm in favor of more awesome booths because the GNOME booths I've seen thus far in the US have been quite dismal, but the box itself isn't going to solve that problem. Bryen M Yunashko -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME FOSDEM Stand
On Thu, 2012-02-09 at 15:53 +0100, Dave Neary wrote: I had hoped that the posters I brought would have a bigger impact - I think they are gorgeous and thought we might be able to have a give-away with them - especially since they were quite expensive to print! What did people think of them? Is printing posters something we should look into for future conferences? If we do, we definitely will need to take better care of them! Cheers, Dave. Posters are definitely beaucoup bucks to print. I have yet to find a cheap way to print them and standard movie-size posters are 24x36 Inch. (Forgive me to those of you, for my being metric-challenged.) My alternative was to use 11x17 inch prints. Not as awesome, for sure, but definitely economical by comparison. Overnightprints.com, for example, will do 50 for about $91. And cheaper with a higher print order. And if you use them regularly, you'll quickly move into VIP pricing which can be up to 50% even more savings on printing. We could have multiple images printed up (say 5?) and plaster them all over the booth (and venue) and not even worry about getting them back (because in all likelyhood any paper-based printing will get mangled quickly.) Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME FOSDEM Stand
On Tue, 2012-02-07 at 10:13 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: Hi, Le lundi 06 février 2012, à 08:48 -0700, Stormy Peters a écrit : I 100% support having a table cloth and a roll up self-standing banner in both of the event boxes. We should make sure the roll up self-standing banner can fit in the event boxes, though. I'm thinking it's too big for the newest event box, but that's just a guess. Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. A table cloth is likely to get dirty very easily. People spilling their coffee and whatnot. It looks classy, sure, but certainly you'd have to factor in the cost of dry cleaning afterward as I don't think those silk-screened cloths should go in the standard washing machine. Vinyl banner wraparound the front of a table is much easier to clean (wipe and done.) Bryen M Yunashko -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: OSCON
On Mon, 2012-01-30 at 21:21 -0800, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: My earlier suggestion was to have a11y devices that we can take advantage of and give a demo of how well it works for them. Show them the value of a11y and then see if they could donate a couple of bits for the cause. sri At the last CSUN event, the only thing we really did for demo purposes was to hook up a decent speaker (which I bought for the CSUN event) to Orca. Bringing a11y assistive devices isn't feasible. But speaker + Orca did demonstrate enough for interested visitors about what GNOME is capable of doing. Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: OSCON
On Mon, 2012-01-30 at 08:57 +, Allan Day wrote: I think that getting people to sign up to Friends of GNOME would be a great idea. You could have special badges/t-shirts that they could wear at the conference if they do. Let's not forget the a11y campaign that is happening, either. Allan And would it also make sense to make sure people wear their just-bought t-shirts by saying there will be one random winner of a special prize at the end of the event? Hmm, we seem to have hijacked this thread (in a good and interesting way) from its original intent. Maybe we should restart this as a fresh thread like Booth Strategies or something. Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: OSCON
On Sun, 2012-01-29 at 15:37 +0100, Dave Neary wrote: The best booths are the ones that engage people passing by. I had a few ideas but they may be way out there... could be cool for OSCON, though. Interesting ideas! I like the thought process going into this. 1. Croud-source something we need that isn't getting done - The classic example was last year, there's a project aiming to create audio learning materials to go along with words and images. They have English down pretty well, but could use others. I can't remember the name, unfortunately... I suggested that they could set up a recording booth, and take advantage of the international make-up of the audience to get recordings of different languages. It becomes a demo of their tools, and an opportunity to get contributions at the same time. It probably would be useful if we discussed what it is we want to gain from our visitors. What are the things specific to GNOME we need to put up front and and how can we do it simply in a booth setting? OpenStreetMap does something similar, hosting mapping parties in the evening after conferences in places where they have booths. Do we have something where we could engage the public and get material we could use later? Translations? Mallard docs? Something where we can show a checklist and see everything going to green as people do the work during the conference would be cool! 2. Interactive demo booths - Something like a coding competition, where on Day 1, you pair people off to write a Shell extension to do the same thing as a bake-off, the winners do something else on day 2, and on day 3 you have the final. I haven't thought this through fully, but the fact that you can write shell extensions in JS should appeal to the web cloud crowd, no? This could be a very cool idea. We might even put up a poster or something indicating a wishlist of extensions. And it serves a dual purpose: 1) Get people to code for extensions and 2) raise awareness about the existence of extensions. What can GNOME afford as a prize for these entries? And how would it be awarded? Best of show? or First to submit working extension? 3. Some way to follow through - My experience of GNOME booths is that we rarely have a call to action for after the conference. We don't collect email addresses for a newsletter, or ask people to do anything in particular. It'd be nice if we used contact with a highly technical audience as an opportunity to get some new contributors. What might that be? Signing up Friends of GNOME might be a start, Bribery always helps. :-) What if we offered a little something extra if you sign up for FoG at the event in addition to the items you will get from normal signup? but also having some way to sign people up for an announce mailing list I dunno. Sometimes these things can get a little iffy. People feeling that they don't want to be on some spamming list or have their names in some database. You just don't see that kind of data collection (incl. business cards) at FLOSS events like you do at commercial enterprise events. But we should provide for nice way to give them sign up information, via handouts or QR Code on a very conspicuous poster. Bryen (not paper pen! No-one ever types all that in again - either a form that stores contact details in a Mailman compatible batch subscription format, or a proper connection to the announce mailing list, and a follow-up afterwards with a call to engage) -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: OSCON
On Fri, 2012-01-27 at 18:00 -0800, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: Is it worth registering a booth at OSCON? I guess, if we have applications to show then perhaps it might be better. We could also try to get donations for a11y as well. Anyways, let me know what people think. I'd like to to have a meeting on how to deal wtih conferences.. what conferences we should be going to etc. sri I'll be going to OSCON this year on behalf of openSUSE. The procedure has changed this year for getting an OSCON booth (which the procedures have always sucked.) In the past it was first-come, first-served for dotorgs to get a free both. This year, they will open up an application process in March and then consider which ones qualify for a free both. No word on what the criteria will be. OSCON has promised they will contact me as soon as the application process is opened. I'll be sure to let the GNOME team here know when that happens so you guys can figure out a booth. We could also consider doing shared booths in order to increase dotOrg presence at these events. Worth thinking about. Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: OSCON
On Sat, 2012-01-28 at 16:37 -0800, Sri Ramkrishna wrote: The chair of OSCON used to be a GNOME contributor. We can probably ask him regarding any confusion on the criteria. I'm not that bullish of manning the booth but I will if it will help the cause. sri I wouldn't want to see anyone stuck manning the booth. But surely within Portland and the nearby areas, there are people willing to volunteer to help staff the booth. A well-scheduled rotation makes boothing enjoyable and gives everyone a chance to do other things instead of feeling like it is all work and no play. As I recall, there's about 3 days of exhibit hall time. And it kicks off with a general meet n greet within the exhibit hall the first night incl horsey doors. (No I cannot spell that appetizer word to save my life!) Bryen On Sat, 2012-01-28 at 18:25 -0600, Bryen M Yunashko wrote: On Fri, 2012-01-27 at 18:00 -0800, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: Is it worth registering a booth at OSCON? I guess, if we have applications to show then perhaps it might be better. We could also try to get donations for a11y as well. Anyways, let me know what people think. I'd like to to have a meeting on how to deal wtih conferences.. what conferences we should be going to etc. sri I'll be going to OSCON this year on behalf of openSUSE. The procedure has changed this year for getting an OSCON booth (which the procedures have always sucked.) In the past it was first-come, first-served for dotorgs to get a free both. This year, they will open up an application process in March and then consider which ones qualify for a free both. No word on what the criteria will be. OSCON has promised they will contact me as soon as the application process is opened. I'll be sure to let the GNOME team here know when that happens so you guys can figure out a booth. We could also consider doing shared booths in order to increase dotOrg presence at these events. Worth thinking about. Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: OSCON
On Sat, 2012-01-28 at 17:16 -0800, Sri Ramkrishna wrote: I manned the GNOME booth at OSCON for 3 years. It just seems that the participants there are not really interested in Linux desktops in general. They are all cloud/web apps type of people. The booth would have to be focused on applications or integration with cloud, a11y, or online services to get traction IMHO. A booth for the sake of just showing a GNOME desktop is not very inspiring or useful. sri Well yes. In general, when planning for a booth (or even presentations at an event) you should study the event itself and make your materials match the audience there to some degree. Just showing up with a standard booth without any prior consideration makes for a rather ineffective investment. In the case of OSCON, my understanding is that it is more developer-oriented. So the booth should likely focus on how to attract developers to GNOME whatnot, and the examples you provide above as well. Generally, I find X is great! to be rather limiting. We're more than just awesome. :-) Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: bad press in the G+ circles/press
On Mon, 2011-08-08 at 11:11 -0500, Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier wrote: On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:58 AM, pec...@gmail.com pec...@gmail.com wrote: If dissenting voices has nothing to offer than it is all wrong, I will go with product x, then it is not even worth to bother, because all it does it creates flame wars like this. There is constructive criticism (bug reports, written use cases which doesn't work), and then there is just empty posturing, just because you disagree with overall direction of platform. I didn't say it is all wrong or anything of the sort. I simply said that it might be instructive to note that few GNOME users are coming out to support GNOME 3 in the wake of Linus, Ted, and others criticizing it. I'm 100% certain that wouldn't have been the case three years ago. I talk to a lot of people, and I've found very few who genuinely like GNOME 3.0 - and I'm talking about people who've loved or at least liked GNOME 2.x. BTW, Linus and others, while ranting, have also pointed to specific things they do not like about GNOME 3. -- Our brains just have one scale, and we resize our experiences to fit. ~ Randall Munroe (xkcd) Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier j...@zonker.net About: http://www.dissociatedpress.net/about/ I don't think its a good idea to invalidate those who don't have positive things to say about GNOME3. Joe makes an excellent point that the lack of noise in the other direction is telling. I'm one of those people who aren't quite happy with GNOME3. One of the claims made about GNOME 3 was that it would enable us to be more task-oriented and less distracted from other stuff. And yet, I find myself unable to focus on my tasks when using GNOME 3. (And I gave G3 my best shot.) My initial reaction to G3 was Oooh this is nice and slick. And I did what everyone said Just stick with it and you'll get used to it in time. Well, time has passed and I'm less impressed than my first iimpression. The reason why I haven't been vocal is simply because I wasn't directly involved in the development process. Actually, I had discussions with some of the leading people on the project more than a year ago and was told about certain features being dropped becaue that's the way develoeprs thought it should be, even though I disagreed with it. The response felt quite alienating. Now, marketing team != developer teams so there's no use discussing how to actually fix things that users seem unhappy about on this list. But, we are in the position of hearing and listening and conveying issues to relevant teams. And this thread is already pointing out that we don't seem to want to hear dissenting opinions, only those that rave and glorify. That's not exactly productive in my opinion. What we *should* be discussing is ways to listen more and address concerns. Does more or better documentation need to exist? Is there something that actually has a solution conveyed to our users? Do we need to create more how-to videos like the one Jason did? Also, a part of me assumes that many of the specific complaints out there have been largely heard and are being addressed for 3.2. Is that the case? If it is, are we telling people this and giving them the hope that things will be better and thus will stick with using G3? Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME 3 DVDs
On Tue, 2011-04-26 at 15:49 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: Who do I need to talk to about getting some DVDs shipped here? I believe some were shipped to the U.S. I have a conference this weekend so it would be beneficial if I could give out some live cds after my talk. sri I'm going to guess Christer is the one who stocks them. And as I mentioned online, you are welcome to have it shipped directly to Bellingham and our ambassador can receive them and hand them to you on Saturday if you wish, since I'm assuming Friday is a travel day for you to get to LFNW. Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME 3 DVDs
On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 10:09 -0700, Dave Neary wrote: Hi, On 04/07/2011 10:04 AM, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: Customs will get picky if you receive 100 DVDs. They'll try to charge taxes even if it's tagged as a donation/gift. We need to find out how to avoid that. Canonical handled this problem for years with the Ship-It program (which they recently closed down). Gerry Carr from Canonical would be a good person to ask about the practical issues related to a program like this. Cheers, Dave. As I recall, the Ship-it Program sent individual CDs to requesters. That's not the same issue as what Diego is raising, where shipments in bulk get flagged by customs because they're seen as shipping commercial goods for resale. At openSUSE, we've certainly encountered some of those customs problems and come up with some solutions. I'm CC-ing our fearless Shipment Coordinator, Andreas Jaeger to chime in with his experiences on this matter. Hopefully this mailing list allows non-subscribers to respond. If not, I'll copy his response in when he reads this. Thanks, Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
GNOME 3.0 Materials at SCALE
Hi folks, The openSUSE Team is going to be in force at the SCALE conference in Los Angeles in a couple of weeks. We have a request for GNOME. :-D We plan to give out KDE booklets that we're getting from the KDE group. We'd like to give equal treatment and promote GNOME 3.0 in our booth as well. Do you have any materials we can give out? If this requires printing, let us know and we'll try to help out what we can. Separately, we'll be having a giant screen in our booth and giving mini-presentations throughout the weekend. 15 minute presentations (10 minutes presentation + 5 mins QA) We'd like to demo GNOME Shell on openSUSE. Would one of you like to join us and co-present GNOME Shell? Thanks, Bryen M Yunashko openSUSE Marketing Team lead -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Need advice on GNOME-A11y giveaways
Hello GNOMEie Marketeers and A11y'ers! I'd like your advice before I start ordering up stuff for the upcoming CSUN conference in San Diego in March. I actually need this nailed down much sooner as I'll be leaving for California in February. - I will be ordering some nice vinyl banners that Andreas Nillson helped design for me a while ago. This will help our booth look very spiffy at CSUN. I intend to reuse these banners elsewhere after CSUN. One set I already ordered should still be residing in Spain if anyone wants to use it for a European event. - I created some 5x7 postcard handouts and still have a bunch left that I can give out, but I'd like to redo them in a way that might be better. The design I did was a last minute design and you can see here http://www.bryen.com/images/Gnomea11y.pdf Keep in mind that the audience at CSUN is non-open source oriented. And we'll be literally buried in a sea of hundreds of other a11y booths. (It's a pretty big event!) So, I believe the cards really have to speak to why look at open source as an option? So... does what I have created speak to that well enough? And how can we design it in a way that looks better/more appealing? One drawback to this card was that we crammed a lot of text into what is a fairly sizable piece of paper. So large-print wasn't really going to work well. I'd like to be able to address large-print goals this time around. - I want to create some really cool sticker (in 2inchx2inch format) that would appeal to non-open source folks. Yes we have the nice GNOME stickers which I intend to give out as well. But it doesn't inspire people to use and display them if they aren't adopting GNOME right away. I'm looking for a very cool design that says I'm proud to be an a11y user! and yet still has some reference to GNOME for anyone to look up at a later time. Something that says Accessibility ROCKS! I did think previously about removable tattoos and pins. But removable tattoos, while cool, can only be used once. And pins cost too much if I don't order in significant bulk. :-( Stickers though are very economical and I can afford to pony up for those if we can move quickly before the current sale price goes away. Any ideas, folks? Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Made of Easy - Made of Inspiration
I like it too. +1 On Fri, 2011-01-14 at 13:09 -0600, Jason D. Clinton wrote: +1 On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 12:50, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote: Made to Inspire? On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Jason D. Clinton m...@jasonclinton.com wrote: So, as we ramp up our marketing earlier than anticipated (good!) the launch theme that we selected in November 2009 has been bothering me. Mostly, I think, because what was a common meme at the time (made of fail, made of awesome) isn't so common now. And so the play on the meme doesn't seem very clever any more. Also, as I am reviewing the list of videos to produce, I am increasingly of the feeling that they need to inspire people by explaining the inspired design behind the new UI. What about Made of Inspriation? Thoughts? As it stands now, we haven't done anything with the official launch theme so changing it is a zero-cost proposition... -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Media relations training at the Collaboration Summit
On Fri, 2010-12-03 at 20:32 +0100, Dave Neary wrote: Hi all, I've just confirmed a media relations training course for the collaboration summit this year. The details need working out, but it's looking like a half day course, given by Jennifer Cloer of the Linux Foundation. I've asked her to do something on preparation (drafting talking points, preparing for giving an interview), relationship building with journalists, and perhaps guidelines for drafting useful press releases. I think this will be really useful to a bunch of people if anyone is planning on attending the summit in April, I'd reccommend attending. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org I'd like to go to this one (assuming this is the one in San Francisco). I need to renew my LF membership which expired last month. According to the website, it is an invitation-only event. How does one get invited? Bryen M Yunashko GNOME-A11y Outreach -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Blogs on ereaders
Have we gotten Planet GNOME onto Kindle and other ereader products? I haven't been able to find it yet (though I'm still learning my Kindle). From what I've gathered...Amazon charges 99 cents a month for delivery of blogs and pays 30% of revenue to the blogger (in this case GNOME Foundation.) Has this already been explored? Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Add GNOME to eBay nonprofits?
On Fri, 2010-09-24 at 09:37 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote: When you sell an item on eBay, you can select to donate some of your profits to a nonprofit[1]. The list of eligible nonprofits is managed by MissionFish[2]. I would like to add GNOME to the list of eligible nonprofits. It costs nothing to sign up, only takes a few minutes and maybe there are GNOME fans out there that sell things on eBay and would be willing to support the project that way. I wanted to get a couple of quick +1s or -1s before I do this just to make sure the community also agrees this is a good idea. Best, Stormy [1] http://givingworks.ebay.com/ [2] www.missionfish.org [3] This was prompted by this article I read this morning: http://gadgetwise.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/23/paypal-makes-it-easy-to-give/ I would say its good in theory. I certainly felt good splurging on GNOME's Amazon Store recently.The only difference I see is that you'll have to actively promote sellers to donate to GNOME. And finding out who those sellers are is probably a lot more work. But still... if it gets something, go for it! Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Distributing distros under the GNOME Banner
On Mon, 2010-09-13 at 12:02 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote: On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 11:09 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 3:33 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: Hi, Bryen Yunashko wrote: Does GNOME have a particular policy about providing distros in their booths at events? We asked all our advisory board members for CDs for the event box. We include a few from each one that sent us some. Is it worth hitting these big linux conferences? It seems to me that the smaller linuxfests type conferences is the proper target. They actually talk about desktop instead of cloud or whatever other buzzwords is out there. Also I would much prefer hitting the government and educational conferences. I think we should be going to conferences that are not developer conferences. We are often preaching to the choir, i.e. talking about GNOME to people that are already GNOME fans. Stormy Sri, I'm not sure which big conferences you're referring to. But I have to agree with Stormy that preaching to the choir does have rather limited returns. I think we should more rely on the knowledge of the person/people who are volunteering to man a booth at an event. They're (hopefully) aware enough of the audiences and have a plan in mind for how to deliver the GNOME story effectively to that audience that comes to the booths. Rather than just having a booth just for the sake of a booth. On the other hand, some people volunteer to set up a booth just so they can get into an event at a cheaper price to themselves rather than paying a full registration price (if one exists.) I just look at that as Hey, its a benefit to the person in exchange for their ongoing contributions to GNOME. As long as it doesn't cost us anything or is relatively low in cost, go for it. :-) As for GNOME-A11y Outreach, we generally don't intend to have our own booths at non-a11y events. Most of our intentions are to be at non-Linux-based events, such as CSUN or AEGIS. I generally like going to non-low hanging fruit events because that's where we cast the widest net of bringing in new attention to GNOME efforts. We'll leave more general events to the wisdom of the GNOME Marketing force, though we may join in and assist if possible. We will, however, probably be stepping up our efforts to present sessions at more general events to raise awareness of GNOME's role with accessibility to the general FOSS Community. Bryen M Yunashko GNOME-A11y Outreach -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
YouTube NFP Status for GNOME official
Hi folks, So, as some of you already know, Stormy and I have worked to get YouTube Non-Profit Status for the GNOME Foundation. Yesterday, Google officially informed us that we have been granted such status. What this means? We can post longer videos! YEAH! Now we can actually post our talks in its entirety on the channel. After I'm back from my next series of travels, I'll post the videos from our CSUN GNOME Hackfest. Some things we need to think about going forth: - This is our channel. http://www.youtube.com/user/GNOMEDesktop Now we need someone to beautify the channel. Any volunteers? - Access: Currently, only Stormy and I have login access to the channel. This can be a problem because A) If we stay as the only access caretakers of the channel, that means someone who has long videos has to give it to us and we upload them. The problem is, how do we accept long videos from the individuals? Can't email it to us... too big. I also think neither Stormy nor I want to be the sole video uploaders to the site. In theory, we should be seeing a lot of videos coming in from now on. And we all have plenty on our plates as it is. B) If we give out the login password, how do we control this so that not too many people have access and end we end up having too many people with passwords and no way to control this. (I sure wish Google offered some sort of user access management tool.) I really don't have a good clear answer on these two issues. How do we handle it elsewhere? Any ideas/suggestions? Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: YouTube NFP Status for GNOME official
On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 21:12 -0500, Paul Cutler wrote: On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 18:02 -0500, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: Hi folks, So, as some of you already know, Stormy and I have worked to get YouTube Non-Profit Status for the GNOME Foundation. Yesterday, Google officially informed us that we have been granted such status. What this means? We can post longer videos! YEAH! Now we can actually post our talks in its entirety on the channel. After I'm back from my next series of travels, I'll post the videos from our CSUN GNOME Hackfest. Some things we need to think about going forth: - This is our channel. http://www.youtube.com/user/GNOMEDesktop Now we need someone to beautify the channel. Any volunteers? - Access: Currently, only Stormy and I have login access to the channel. This can be a problem because A) If we stay as the only access caretakers of the channel, that means someone who has long videos has to give it to us and we upload them. The problem is, how do we accept long videos from the individuals? Can't email it to us... too big. I also think neither Stormy nor I want to be the sole video uploaders to the site. In theory, we should be seeing a lot of videos coming in from now on. And we all have plenty on our plates as it is. B) If we give out the login password, how do we control this so that not too many people have access and end we end up having too many people with passwords and no way to control this. (I sure wish Google offered some sort of user access management tool.) I really don't have a good clear answer on these two issues. How do we handle it elsewhere? Any ideas/suggestions? Bryen Hi Bryen, Thanks for the update and the good news! I don't know the answers, but I am also sensitive to using free software for videos in addition to Flash at Youtube (yes, HTML5 will come someday). Jorge Castro and I had talked a while back about using blip.tv to help with this process. Talking to Jorge again (whose also volunteered to help us set this up), we can sign up for blip.tv and FTP up the large videos. From there, blip.tv will auto-transcode and transfer to both Miro (we have a GNOME Miro channel) to use ogg (free software!) and Youtube (which gets more views). I don't have an answer on who, but we should find some volunteers to help man the team. Paul I'm also sensitive to the free software issue and have absolutely no goal in mind of using YouTube to replace other services such as Blip.TV. Instead, I'd rather we post in both places. First and foremost, we're marketers. And as marketers, we have to reach as wide an audience as possible. Most people that aren't using open source software tend to view YouTube. And we are advertising to many different kinds of people out there. Is it double work to be on two sites and coordinate all that? Yup. Sorry. But, like I said, we're marketers. :-) But it does sound like perhaps we should set up an overall strategy for how we manage and distribute our video content to the world? Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Friends of GNOME subscriptions
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 13:57 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote: Hi GNOME Marketing folks, It's time to think about our next Friends of GNOME campaign! A few weeks ago we sent out the tshirts for people that had been subscribed to monthly payments for a year. Between yesterday and today 9 people have unsubscribed. I don't know if it's related or not but it does make a case for a new incentive for the second year! Some thoughts I have for a new campaign: 1. Make it related to GNOME 3.0. 2. Use a banner on gnome.org like we did for the sys admin campaign. 3. Count number of subscribers instead of dollar amount. We need a slogan and a goal. And a gift. We have about 100 subscribers now. I'd like to see us have 500. I think that's only doable if we manage to reach out to users ... (And perhaps we should have a shorter term goal ... we could also offer prizes for random people that sign up. So the 30, 58, 74th people get tshirts or something.) As for a slogan, something related to GNOME 3.0 ... Thoughts? Stormy Would something like become a subscriber, get a gift (t-shirt or whatever) and be entered into a drawing for some really cool prize like free trip to one of the GNOME events be an idea? Personally, I'm somewhat less motivated to subscribe just to get a t-shirt that I have to wait a year for than to enter into some raffle that just might be really cool and worth the wait (and risk.) Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: OSCON?
I'm not actually going to OSCON. I will, however, be at the Community Leadership Summit over the weekend prior to OSCON. (Wearing my openSUSE hat for that weekend.) However, I plan to walk around the exhibits at OSCON on Monday and then sneak in to check out the Teaching Open Source BoF that night. Then I'll be heading to Las Vegas Tuesday afternoon for another event (this on top of being in Hartford, CT the day before CLS). I'd love the chance to meet up with you and others at some point during my all-too-brief stay in Portland. Bryen On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 20:06 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: This is what I get for answering email while drinking wine: Let me rephrase: I have done the GNOME booth at OSCON for the first 3 years of OSCON, but I haven't done it after that because I find that the audience is very web/LAMP based. The desktop is not really of interest for a lot of people. The audience are more interested in applications that use cloud software, cloud software, databases, and system stuff and the like. Plus I find the whole schmooze thing kind of tedious and while I'm a champion schmoozer I actually need material that people would actually find interest. In the futuer, we want to target Open Source Bridge which is truly a good general purpose conference since it can tackle a lot of different topics. It is a lot smaller unfortunately. There is also Northwest Linuxfset I think in Seattle, but that is done already. Linuxfest folks showed interest in having a track on GNOME but I was not able to find the time to set something up. Back to OSCON, the only thing I have planned is an evening with local OSS folks with Stormy. Although her time is somewhat limited I hope to have one short evening so that she can get to know the local fokls. We have some local GNOME folks (or rather some ex GNOME folks) and a crap load of kernel developers and Mozilla folks. We have a good time. :) (ask the ubuntu folks!) It might also be a good time to discuss strategy in marketing if we want to do that. Are you local or an attendee? If there is interest I can set up a BOF.. but a booth I think is a waste of time. Thanks, sri On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: I could volunteer.. I used to do the OSCON booth.. GNOME3 stuff might be cool. Not sure if there is enough time to setup a vendor booth though. Stormy will be there and I was going to set up an evening with local OSS folks here in Portland, that's the only thing I've planned. In general, I stopped doing it because the audience is really geared towards LAMP and I find the hype tedious. I much rather schmooze (which is what OSCON is good for) Are you local? What do you prefer? sri On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Larry Cafiero larry.cafi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, folks -- Is there going to be any GNOME presence at OSCON, and if so, who gets the event box and banner? Thanks. Larry Cafiero -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
GNOME-A11y at Ohio Linux Fest
My GNOME-A11y talk has been accepted for the Ohio Linux Fest on September 11, 2010 in Columbus, Ohio. I see that our esteemed Ms. Stormy Peters is going to be giving a keynote at the event as well. I'm wondering what other GNOME activities are planned for OLF. Maybe we can work together on some stuff. Bryen M Yunashko GNOME-A11y Outreach -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Free Agent T-shirt Proposal
On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 11:57 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote: Bryen: I think the wording is a bit much and can be simplified and made more powerful. Perhaps something like: GNOME - SugarLabs - OLPC Education - Community Empowering children the world over I agree that the existing text can be improved. While I agree that your suggestion is more powerful, I think it fails to inform. A goal of this t-shirt is to help educate people about GNOME, SugarLabs and the OLPC project and how these projects work together to provide a humanitarian solution. Most people who will see someone wearing the tshirt will probably have no idea what GNOME, SugarLabs, or OLPC is, so the message becomes meaningless if the tshirt does not do a good job of informing. I would appreciate further suggestions, but I think the text needs to make sure that the reader understands that GNOME is a part of an ecospehere that benefits a humanitarian cause. Brian Well, we can certainly fix it up more to encompass what you are suggesting. And that suggested text was just a first thought. But I would think that whether it stays in the original text or some modified text, the reader would still be more inclined to stop and ask what thats about. And thus engage in a conversation with the wearer. So, if anything, whatever the text is, it should encourage that conversation to happen. Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Free Agent T-shirt Proposal
On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 14:12 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote: GNOME powers SugarLabs and OLPC A global effort providing children with tools to learn, achieve, and transform their world. I like this revision much better. If we're still looking to shorten it, how about Globally providing instead of A global effort providing? or... if we want to shorten it even further... Globally enabling (or empowering) children to learn, achieve and transform their world. Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Free Agent T-shirt Proposal
On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 21:06 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote: GNOME Marketing Team: On April 6th, I proposed a GNOME Free Agent t-shirt which would highlight the humanitarian aspects of being a GNOME volunteer. I have been working with Mike (Dongyun) Lee and Diki Niwatori to put together a t-shirt mock-up. Refer here: http://www.sheepfiends.com/gngt-olpc.png After discussion, we decided to make the image mono-color. While a bit less exciting than the full-color version, it is less busy and will be easier and less expensive to print. Does this look good to people? Does anyone have any comments about the design or how to improve things further? Thoughts? Brian I think the wording is a bit much and can be simplified and made more powerful. Perhaps something like: GNOME - SugarLabs - OLPC Education - Community Empowering children the world over Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store
On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 06:48 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote: I think we should wait until 100 or even 200. With 9 items, 27 sales just isn't enough. I think if we put a banner on gnome.org, we'd get there quickly. :) Stormy I agree its too early yet to make a determination. Plus, personally, when i went to the Store, I wasn't all that crazy about the selections especially with the price associated with it. But these banners and other forms of advertising the store should leverage some of the things Zazzle is offering. For example, right now they're having a 50% off shipping for Mother's Day sale. We should be promoting that and spreading the word. The one that I really liked and would have bought in an instant was the Freedom Lover t-shirt. But it apparently is only sold as a women's shirt. On another note, we should be spreading the word about the Amazon GNOME store too. I didn't realize until now that we had such a thing and I feel a bit chagrined as I've spent hundreds at Amazon in the last few months and it would have been nice to funnel a few of those dollars towards GNOME. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store
On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 20:38 -0500, Paul Cutler wrote: On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 08:55 -0700, Sandy Armstrong wrote: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Bryen M. Yunashko susero...@bryen.com wrote: The one that I really liked and would have bought in an instant was the Freedom Lover t-shirt. But it apparently is only sold as a women's shirt. I'd like to second this. Is there any reason we can't offer each design in both men's and women's styles? Also a big fan of the Freedom Lover shirt. Sandy This part of the Zazzle site isn't that intuitive but any of the designs can be bought on any kind of shirt. * Select the Freedom Lover Ladies shirt * Under Choose your style and color select from Men, Women, Kid, Baby or See All (I selected Men) * Now choose from all the different styles of shirts * Price will change depending on which shirt you choose * Purchase Paul Congratulations, you just made a sale! Although I think its kinda pricey for a t-shirt (Paid $32.95 plus shipping) so I hope a good portion of that goes to GNOME. Thanks for the steps. Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: North American Event Box needs master guru
On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 07:46 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote: Our North American Event Box[1] could use some expert care. Right now it doesn't really have everything you need to run a booth. It's missing things like handouts, directions for what to demo, a banner and even a schedule for where it is to be next. I added some from ideas that Zonker and I had on what's missing on the wiki[1]. Is there someone that would like to plan and coordinate what our Event Box should contain and make sure it gets in there? This job would mean working with the marketing team (we have a lot of the info, just not printed), the art team and probably ordering supplies like tshirts, banners and stickers. It would be a job that would be appreciated by volunteers every where when they opened the Event Box to set up a booth. It's also a job that will have a lot of impact on our ability to spread the word of GNOME. Thanks in advance. Stormy [1] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeEventsBox/NAGnomeEventBox P.S. The event box currently lives with Larry Cafiero who keeps it in his house, restocks it with the supplies we've given him and ships it from event to event. Right now without a schedule or a process, we're asking him todo a lot of work. And he already maintains the Fedora event box too. I definitely was glad we had a nice event box at the CSUN conference in March. Adding a banner to the kit would be very nice indeed. In our post-conference discussion, the A11y team felt that what we also needed was more horsepower. I'm not sure if the computer was included in the kit or if someone provided it separately, but for a11y demonstrations, more horsepower would have been useful. Also, a bigger monitor would be nice too. openSUSE provided a nice stash of LiveCD's to hand out. I think it would be nice if we could also get other distros to provide media as well so we can always hand out media at GNOME booths, and giving our visitors a variety of choices to select from would be nice too. Perhaps we should consider putting out a call to distros to pre-send a good portion of media to the Foundation which we ncan then divvy it up to events? Then we don't have to keep asking for media for each event. Bryen Yunashko openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Marketing Team Lead GNOME-A11y Outreach -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: North American Event Box needs master guru
On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 08:24 -0700, Larry Cafiero wrote: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 6:46 AM, Stormy Peters sto...@gnome.org wrote: P.S. The event box currently lives with Larry Cafiero who keeps it in his house, restocks it with the supplies we've given him and ships it from event to event. Right now without a schedule or a process, we're asking him todo a lot of work. And he already maintains the Fedora event box too. Actually, it lives in my office :-) . While it's fine that it lives here and while I can stock it with swag, etc., from time to time (and when needed), I am far from the master guru that this box needs to attend to it. Thanks, Stormy, for addressing this issue and I'd be glad to help with any transition to someone who wants to take on this important duty. To address Bryen's comment in another e-mail about media, I will make sure that the box has Fedora CDs and DVDs. With all due respect, while I was glad that I was able to facilitate providing openSUSE CD's at the CSUN conference, I was a bit uncomfortable with the fact that we were the only ones with media. I felt it gave visitors the impression that openSUSE was the preferred distro of GNOME Foundation, and would have been more comfortable with providing a selection to our visitors. With the CSUN Conference, we've already resolved not to let that happen again and make sure that next year's conference will have multiple selections. I think its best that we ensure that practice for all GNOME Foundation booth events. As for counts, just to give an idea. We had 300 CDs, (Live, 32-bits, and 64-bits) and were left with about 30 afterward. We also gave out 50 shirts. I think asking the major distros to contribute media and swag up front would motivate many of them to do so, as it reduces their own costs of coordinating shipments on a per-event basis and gives them additional advertising. Of course, all this means more work for you divvying up the goodies, and maybe that's not a good idea either. Bryen Larry Cafiero -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing Hackfest Kickoff - GNOME 3.0 Website Feedback Requested
On Mon, 2010-04-19 at 20:48 -0500, Paul Cutler wrote: Hi, We're just a couple of weeks away from the Marketing Hackfest. One of the ideas that's come up is to have a GNOME 3.0 specific website (or subsite). I don't know if this means it will use the new Plone CMS that's currently being set up or something else, but for the moment that's not important. I'd like to gather community feedback (that's you!) on what you'd like to see a GNOME 3.0 website feature. Please reply to the list - everyone's feedback is welcome! Thanks. Best, Paul For me, I've seen 3.0 demonstrations a couple of times, including at the last Marketing hackfest in Chicago. And honestly, I couldn't quite grasp what 3.0 is truly about. A lot of cool exciting words thrown about, but it looked also like something that requires quite a bit of learning curve if you're used to the old way and are a creature of habit (like me!) Learning is always the single biggest challenge in any adoption. So I suggest marketing 3.0 by teaching how to use it right off the bat. Create some simulations on the website where people can abe guided step by step. Not a read-through tutorial, but an actual simulation. if you do this step, watch what happens. Bravo. Now let's try another trick Bravo... Next.. and so on. People can get a rudimentary feel for how to use 3.0 and feel less intimidated than when they try it out of the box. This would reduce telling people RTFM, dude! (which I hate) and would help close the gaps between the knows and dont-knows. It also can give a user experience to those out there who haven't tried GNOME/FOSS and can get a little taste of it before actually trying GNOME/FOSS. That's my thought right out of the gate here. How easy it is to actually create such a simulation? I wouldn't know. :-) Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Free Agent T-shirt Proposal
Cool concept...more below On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 15:08 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote: I was thinking that we could make two versions of the t-shirt. One version to sell for $20 that has nothing on the back. A second version will have the following text on the back and would be given away for no-charge to volunteers who work on GNOME but do not work for a company that works on GNOME. People who work on GNOME for a company would pay $25 for the second version of the tshirt with this text on the back: Free Agent GNOME Free Software Volunteer Personally, I'd feel a little skittish about walking around in a t-shirt with VOLUNTEER emblazoned across it. It just makes the person wearing it seem less important, when we know that's not the case in our community. It feels like one of those shirts you see at events where there are volunteers helping out, they're important, but they don't quite know everything and if you really want authoritative answers, you go looking for someone who isn't wearing a shirt marked volunteer. There's a variety of reasons why people participate in GNOME without pay and they don't necessarily mean they're doing this out of the goodness of their heart or whatever, but for some of us, we feel participation is a necessity. I personally do not equate job with pay and any work I contribute when I'm not elsewhere getting paid, is to me, still a job. A stronger word that gives those of us who don't get paid more credibility and esteem is in order, I think. Word that pops into my mind is Contributor but frankly I think that word is getting overused and we should think of cooler words. (Guess this is the part where I say something but don't actually offer a constructive suggestion what word to use. :-) ) I am hoping that people on the marketing-list can help with: 1) What do people think of this proposal? Any ideas on how to further Again, cool idea. :-) improve it? 2) As I mention above, Dongyun is agreeable to creating an image that is more focused on the relationship between GNOME, SugarLabs, and OLPC. Any ideas or direction that we could give to Dongyun would be helpful. 3) Perhaps the proposed image above is a bit too busy. Do people have suggestions on whether the image created for this t-shirt should be changed? Should less colors be used for an image intended for a t-shirt, for example? I don't know that it's too busy, per se. It's not a style that I would personally run to the store and buy. Frankly, it's got a more feminine appeal to it, in my opinion, which is not a bad thing. I think too many t-shirts are created out there that focus on the male consumer, even if we are in a community that seems male-dominated. Color-wise, I wouldn't mind more color. I've been known to wear multi-colored shirts, and with style! :-) I do think the design is beautiful, just not something I would necessarily wear personally. The concept behind it is awesome though because it demonstrates that GNOME has a global impact, and that concept should remain intact whether with this design or some other design. (This is purely opinion on my part and others may disagree with my perception of the design.) 4) I need someone with graphic design skills to put together a mock up image of the t-shirt to help facilitate moving this forward. Can anyone help? Thanks, Brian -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
YouTube account holder?
Hiya folks, I wanted to start the process of getting our extended GNOME-related videos up on YouTube, including the recent hour-long sessions covered at the CSUN A11y conference. In order to do that, we need to get a Non-Profit account with YouTube. Stormy and I talked about this the other day, and I agreed to get the ball rolling on getting the NFP account. However, there appears to be an account called GNOME in existence and you have to log in as that account in order to apply at http://www.youtube.com/nonprofits Is the GNOME account on YouTube ours or is it some independent person's account? If it is indeed ours, how can I log in as that account in order to push the application process? Thanks in advance, Bryen Yunashko openSUSE Board Member GNOME-A11y Team Member openSUSE Marketing Team Lead -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
