Re: marketing hackfest?
Is there still room for a returning communication student? Diego On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 7:45 AM, Karen Sandler wrote: > On Thu, April 4, 2013 10:20 am, Allan Day wrote: > > Karen Sandler wrote: > >> As per Tobi's email, we should consider again whether to organize a > >> marketing hackfest! Shaun has suggested co-locating with the docs > >> sprint > >> in Cincinatti June 17-19. > >>> ... > >> What do people think? Would it be workable this time and if so would > >> having it in June make sense? > > I'd love to get this scheduled! It's looking like scheduling around > theJune 24-25 makes sense from looking at people's preferences. Allan do > you know if you're unavailable from the 26th? Sri, could you add your > availability? > > > As for things that we could work on, there are a number of priority > > areas for me: > > > > * Marketing materials - we could use the opportunity to move our > > existing content over to OwnCloud and fill in any blanks > > * Updating the brand guidelines and move them to a restricted > > location (this would include elaborating them to cover things like > > visual style, colour schemes, etc) > > * Writing a GNOME mission statement > > > > For some of these items, particularly the last one, we will need more > > expertise than the marketing team has. If we are going to tackle these > > tasks - and I think that a hackfest would be a good opportunity to do > > so - we should think about getting other people to the event, either > > from the GNOME community and/or specialists who can help us to > > articulate our message. > > These are the people we identified before as good people to help > contribute: > > * Allan > * Andreas > * Emmanuele > * Karen > * Garrett > * Jon McCann > * Lucas Rocha > * Vincent > * Stormy > * Sri > > * Jim Nelson (Yorba) > * Guy Lunardi (Collabora) > * John Sullivan (FSF) > * Alex (Skud) Bayley > * Nick Richards (formerly Intel) > * Karl Fogel > * Havoc Pennington > > If we get the date settled, I can invite them, or we can even set up a > call to discuss it, with some people in person. Anyone else to add? > > karen > > > > (And if we do want to get other members of the community involved, New > > York might be a better location.) > > > > Allan > > > > > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: happy birthday GNOME website!
Hi Karen, considering that we have only about 48 hours, shall we delay the celebration to "GNOME's month of anniversary" instead of the day? That way we can get further input from Andreas and get the texts and materials done. The keynote video would be cool, but GUADEC team (Juanjo pinged, I pinged Chema) has not responded. Another way to frame this would be to link it to the anniversary but not necessarily make it "because" of it. Diego On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Karen Sandler wrote: > On Sun, August 12, 2012 11:37 pm, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: >> Hi again, >> >> On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Juanjo Marín >> wrote >>> Since version 2.0, we have release notes in >>> >>> http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/ >>> >>> I think small memories will be enough (maybe in a table format) and >>> Diego can write special reports for the releases he mentioned (1.4, 2.0, >>> 2.14, 3.0 and 3.4) in a mini tour in the life of the gnome project >> >> I would use Wikipedia's table as a starting point for a "timeline". >> I would add special mentions to 5 or 4 releases (the ones I am >> proposing to focus). >> >>> 2) [tentative] to provide VMs for the releases Diego want to focus (1.4, >>> 2.0, 2.14, 3.0 and 3.4) >>> GNOME 1.4, Red Hat (done by Germán) >>> GNOME 2.0 ? >>> GNOME 2.14 Ubuntu 6.04 >>> GNOME 3.0 OpenSUSE 11.4 >>> GNOME 3.4 Fedora 17 >> >> Considering time, I would only use Germán's VM and say something like >> "look how far we have come in all these years (as GNOME and as >> GNU/Linux)" > > Yeah, we've only got unitil Wednesday! I think keeping it simple is going > to be key! > >> >>> I think Bastien Nocera has a collection of old icons. >> >> Yeah. That would be cool. How would it work on the page however? A >> small icon grid for fun? Andreas :)? > > Also, jrb sends me this link, which has a whole bunch of pictures and > other materials that he, Federico and Dave used for their talk... > https://github.com/federicomenaquintero/guadec-2012-keynote > > karen > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: happy birthday GNOME website!
Hey Alex On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 6:15 PM, alex diavatis wrote: > Hello Juanjo! > > That was really really creepy! I remembered when I was back in school and I > had that, with a Slackware 3.0 or something > Can you believe that I got emotional? Jesus! > > Anyway, can I share that link? Not yet, and not that link. If we implement this for the 15th birthday, we will put it in GNOME's server. Right now it is on a private location that is not meant for public use. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: happy birthday GNOME website!
Hi again, On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Juanjo Marín wrote > Since version 2.0, we have release notes in > > http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/ > > I think small memories will be enough (maybe in a table format) and Diego can > write special reports for the releases he mentioned (1.4, 2.0, 2.14, 3.0 and > 3.4) in a mini tour in the life of the gnome project I would use Wikipedia's table as a starting point for a "timeline". I would add special mentions to 5 or 4 releases (the ones I am proposing to focus). > 2) [tentative] to provide VMs for the releases Diego want to focus (1.4, 2.0, > 2.14, 3.0 and 3.4) > GNOME 1.4, Red Hat (done by Germán) > GNOME 2.0 ? > GNOME 2.14 Ubuntu 6.04 > GNOME 3.0 OpenSUSE 11.4 > GNOME 3.4 Fedora 17 Considering time, I would only use Germán's VM and say something like "look how far we have come in all these years (as GNOME and as GNU/Linux)" > I think Bastien Nocera has a collection of old icons. Yeah. That would be cool. How would it work on the page however? A small icon grid for fun? Andreas :)? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: happy birthday GNOME website!
Hola Juanjo, On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Juanjo Marín wrote: > Germán Poó has some old virtual machines. Maybe it would be good idea to > offer a virtual machine to try it. He has GNOME 1.0.56, 1.2 and 1.4. They are > based in Red Hat. Version 1.0.56 (qemu image) and 1.2 (linux 2.2, vmdk) are > tricky to run. Version 1.4 (linux 2.4, vmdk) is easy to run, so I think is > perfect for us. The user is gnome, password gnomehistory (same for root). If > people like the idea, we can prepare other VMs of the other GNOME versions > based on different distros. I think if we do this, we should use the OVF/OVA > format. > If this is doable, great. But I fear that we will not be able to get the tricky ones on time. A funny thing to do would be to make this images available in GNOME FTP. As a "geeky toy" for people who want to try them. But even then, I would not go further back than 1.4. > As a side note, reading an old interview to Miguel de Icaza in GNOME 1.X > days, I really like this reply: > http://tech.slashdot.org/story/00/04/03/2344211/miguel-de-icaza-tells-all > > "I understand that for a seasoned Unix user GNOME might not bring a new > paradigm for their way they work, but you have to think differently. > You have to think how many people have or will be able to run free > software on their desktops because it is easier to use. > We do plan on continuing improving GNOME, and catering to the needs of > the people who are just starting to use computers and just starting to > use GNU/Linux." > This is a great quote. Perhaps we can chase Miguel to update it. Action items? I can contact Chema and the GUADEC team about the history of GNOME video. Would you like to start writing the memories for each release? Like I said, I would only do a few releases, not all. See my previous proposal. Andreas perhaps might want to chime on what would be cool to gather for the design: screenshots? old icons? the video? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: happy birthday GNOME website!
Hi, On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Karen Sandler wrote: > > I'll email jrb and see if there are any materials they have that we should > use from their talk (maybe we can post their talk, actually). We can ping the GUADEC team and ask them if they could have that keynote published in advance of the others. Also, I think that some infographics+screenshots can be enough to produce awesomeness. I could think of a slideshow or vertical scroll which goes through the most important GNOME versions by date (we won´t be able to get screenshots of everything). Each "slide" has the screenshot, a small memory of the context of it (from GUADEC talk) and perhaps a small graph (this could also be independent) of contributors, commits. The last one might be too tricky for the short time we have. So I think we would have to write: 1. the main text on the top of the page 2. the memory for each screenshot 3. some other patches I would decide now which versions we want to have on display, proposal: 1.4 = the last 1.x GNOME, shows off the "age of options", emphasis on "the beginnings" 2.0 = the flamed 2.x release, with comments on the many activity it had, emphasis on "dare to change" 2.14 = the midpoint of the 2.x cycle (right?), emphasis on "progressive evolution" 3.0 = the flamed 3.0 release, emphasis on "a new vision" (or something that says we were brave enough to pursue our ideas) 3.4 = the 1 year after release of the 3.x series, emphasis on "vision keeps going" Thanks Karen! Diego -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Meetup during BoF days?
Hi! I am just about to go downstairs. Got somewhat dragged with my university sign up for this semester. Sorry! On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Emily Gonyer wrote: >> We've been talking about having a marketing meeting sometime today or >> tomorrow but I don't think a specific time/date/place was ever set - >> some people were checking availability. I'm pretty free, just tell me >> when/where :) > > What about after the coffee break of 17:00 today? > > Anyone else reading? > > Diego -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Meetup during BoF days?
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Emily Gonyer wrote: > We've been talking about having a marketing meeting sometime today or > tomorrow but I don't think a specific time/date/place was ever set - > some people were checking availability. I'm pretty free, just tell me > when/where :) What about after the coffee break of 17:00 today? Anyone else reading? Diego -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Meetup during BoF days?
Hey, I think that a short meetup would be useful, either today or tomorrow. One hour or two at most would be cool to share some ideas and lay out any plan or idea we might have. I know I would like to share some stuff like: - promotional video story: are we doing it again? - media/comm training: can we train our hackers to be awesome at communicating their ideas? - GNOME and Design: how can we improve our communication inside, and outside, the project? Anyone up for this? Space is not a problem, and I am happy to host the discussion. Sorry if there is something already planned and I totally ignored it :) Diego -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fw: AGM Meeting: Proposal (on p.g.o)
On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Juanjo Marín wrote: > Discussion in: > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2012-July/msg00016.html > > I don't know if we agree to give a recommendation as a team. From my personal > view: > > 1) GNOME memes, though is funny for most of the people, there could be cases > that > this particular sense of humour can be misanderstood by some people. AFAIK, > it's > an anonymous blog so we can't make sure she will follow the Code of Conduct, > and this is my main concern. The good part is most of the jokes are about > the gnome community so it is good to communicate we don't take ourselves > too much seriously. Not very sure if it is suitable to include this, though > I'm not > totally against. It is very much "in-joke" kind of humor. I think that those who understand it can find it and follow it on twitter or tumblr. The planet is read by a much broad public. With that in mind, I do not think this is a good choice for the planet. It would be a dangerous source of misunderstanding, misinformation and even alienation for those who are not "in the loop". > 2) The Commit Diggest is very informative blog about what is going on in the > project. I can't find any reason to not include this in planet gnome. I support this because it is informative of current GNOME development. It is not too long in its usual posts and is readable for casual followers of the project as well as for developers. That is what I think. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Annual report - ready to print (almost)
Commenting is easy so here I go: - Isn't Karen's signature a bit "dirty"? - On the cover, isn't Annual Report a bit missaligned? Or is it just a printing consideration? Also, the all caps looks a bit "Arialish" - Why not serif fonts for the main text too? Like in page 8 for quotes, I believe this is usually easier to read on big text blocks. (sorry, this is by far the naggiest comment) - On page 11/12 for Hackfests, the photo that is going to be cut in the middle... Literally cuts down the girl in the middle. Any chance to use another (the one with the laptops perhaps, since the middle is empty, although it looks cool on the left already)? - On page 19, the interview with Daniel has some weird spacing, I mean that there is a lot of blank before the title. I fail to see the reason, I suppose it is some aligment reason. Now that you hate me, I will go on and say that it looks really cool :-). Pages are well built, photos well used and the simplicity is really GNOMEish. Thank you for all the work, you are my hero <3 On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:56 PM, Andreas Nilsson wrote: > Hi! > Designed and ready, now ready for proof reading before we print it. > http://andreasn.myownb3.com/temp/annual-report.pdf > - Andreas > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [guadec-list] Marketing Plans for GUADEC
(resend because it got held up in queue because it was sent from non gnome.org address) Hi! On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Chema Casanova wrote: > O Mér, 18-07-2012 ás 09:41 -0400, Emily Gonyer escribiu: >> Video interviews would be very cool to do. I have a (standard >> definition) video camera I was thinking about bringing along with me, >> which we could use. Though I have no idea how to go about editing. > > We are going to have 3 cameras for recording the 3 parallel tracks, for > interviews we were thinking about using cheaper technology as > mobile/phones. It would be nice having better equipment. We can do this with any recent pocket camera that records 720p video. DSLR cameras also help and offer greater quality, but it can be overkill. The critical thing is having good sound, IMHO. A boom microphone or a lapel microphone (ones that are attached to interviewee t-shirt) is critical, one for the person asking the questions is a bonus, although we can propose a format where the questions are off-screen. If the university can lend us one, it would be awesome. Where to record is not a big deal if the microphone in use has a 3.5mm jack, meaning that we can plug it into one of those tiny hand voice recorders. The syncing between audio and video file (the camera also recorded sound) is easy, you just need to have a clapper board sound (a very loud hand clap works exactly the same). > I've also heard that Diego Escalante was thinking about recording > something during the conference. I am looking forward to get some footage that I can use to hack a kind of small documentary about how it feels/what is GUADEC and the project. I am obviously happy to work on the video/press team :) > The other day we were thinking about preparing a Photocall area to do > the interviews, but i don't know it this would be possible yet. A place with good lighting (a big window with light in the room) is good enough. Sound/noise should not be a big deal. But if you are thinking on some cool setup with posters and a logo wall like in Hollywood, go ahead that will look cool :D. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Volunteers needed for the Desktop Summit!
I'll be there Friday night, so I guess I can help on Saturday... I've manned booths many times, so I don't have any problem. I can also try to chea^Wget people to buy our swag. On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Ekaterina Gerasimova wrote: > Hi all, > > I am looking for a volunteer to help out with the GNOME side of things > at the Desktop Summit during registration (Friday evening at c-base > and Saturday morning at the university), specifically the following: > > - arrange for Friends of GNOME donations to be taken (including > equipment, maybe ask for the computers from the GNOME boxes, I can > help with screens, keyboards, etc) > - arrange for GNOME merchandise to be sold (t-shirts, etc), this > includes making sure the merchandise is in the right place, at the > right time > - find trustworthy volunteers to man the stand > - set up the equipment at the stand and break it down > > ..there will be a table provided for exactly this purpose near the > registration. I can recommend a few places in Berlin which will do the > printing and Andreas Nilsson will get some of the more recent GNOME > designs together. > > I live in Berlin, so I can receive anything which needs to be sent > here in the post and return things which need sending off somewhere > after the summit. > > Any takers? :) Do let me know even if you only want to volunteer for > helping out at the stand! > > I am not subscribed to the marketing mailing list, so please CC me! > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Re: Longtime KDE user, excited by Gnome 3
I'd omit the "took Unity and made it better" part. On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Sumana Harihareswara wrote: > I love this quote (below). Andreas, Allan, et al. -- is there a place for > this on gnome3.org? Perhaps "what people are saying"? > > -Sumana > > From: don rhummy [email address omitted] > Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2011 1:51 PM > Subject: Re: Longtime KDE user, excited by Gnome 3 > > On 04/06/2011 10:50 AM, don rhummy wrote: >> >> I tried Gnome many times in the past and was never a fan. Every time, I >> ended up installing KDE instead, feeling it was a far superior interface and >> experience. Then I saw Gnome 3. I am very impressed and excited by a number >> of the new things you've done, particularly towards usability and >> efficiency. It feels like you took the very impressive Unity interface and >> stepped it up another notch. Workspaces finally feel like they're reaching >> their potential and usefulness with Gnome 3! >> >> >> I've been using KDE exclusively for 8 years now, save for occasional >> attempts at Gnome, but with Gnome 3, I will definitely be making one of my >> computers a Gnome desktop. >> >> Congrats and keep up the great work! > > Don, > > Thank you so much for telling us this! Would you mind if I forwarded > this around& posted it on the web, with your name? > > -Sumana Harihareswara > > [reply:] > > Sumana, > > Of course, that's no problem. I really am impressed by what you guys did. > > I don't know what Gnome's plans are for multitouch handling, but I could see > this being the perfect interface for a tablet computer.I hope you guys do > implement multitouch as I will be putting Linux on any tablet I get in the > future and from what I've seen of Gnome 3, I think it's a better tablet > interface than Android's honeycomb. > > > Don > > > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME 3 DVDs
Customs will get picky if you receive 100 DVDs. They'll try to charge taxes even if it's tagged as a donation/gift. We need to find out how to avoid that. On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: > Heard we will get 10.000 GNOME 3 DVDs from Novell. They'll be snail > mailed in batches of at least 100 DVDs. > > Suggest: > * Filling our event boxes > * Asking/sending to our language teams > * Asking/sending to everyone on the GNOME 3.0 party page > > Then update gnome.org and say that we have free DVDs and to ask at the > local GNOME group. Maybe even do a press release. > > Just have to ensure we distribute first, then announce... and hopefully > correctly estimate the needed amounts. > > > Sounds like a good idea? > > -- > Regards, > Olav > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Friends of GNOME and Hackers list
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Og Maciel wrote: > > So, what is the plan for doing this going forward? Should I contact > current hackers who ran out of postcards and ask if they want to keep > doing it? Do we want to replace them and if so, who do we add? > FYI, the original list was people we were sure would send the postcards, it was the current board and a selection of rockstars. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME User Day 31 March -- IRC questions-and-answers session
Cool! I'll be there. On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Sumana Harihareswara wrote: > It's time for a GNOME User Day! Your IRC hosts will help any GNOME user > learn about the GNOME 3.0 platform, talk about GNOME Shell, and answer any > other questions you have. More details: > > http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/UserDays > > The session will take place in a few days, on 31 March 2011, in the #gnome > IRC channel. All times are UTC: > > Session 1 (07:00-08:00): Participate in the GNOME 3.0 hackfest > * Hosts: Allan Day, Fred Peters, Andre Klapper > > Session 2 (15:00-16:00): The 3.0 platform > * Hosts: Diegoe and Luis M. > > Session 3 (20:00-21:00): GNOME Shell Q & A > * Hosts: Florian M. and Marina Z. > > Please see http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/UserDays for the times in > your area. > > Please spread the word! Thanks! > > best, > Sumana Harihareswara > GNOME Marketing > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Video #2 RFC
On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote: > > A "release candidate" is now in the same spot in 4Mbit/s rendering. > Unless someone finds some problem with it, I say we try uploading this > one to our YouTube account tomorrow, try embedding it on the > gnome3.org site with UT, and see how it goes. > Let's go for it. I'll guess you have access to the youtube account? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Video #2 RFC
You have a tiny bit too much space above your head, I think. Did you review the script for #4? Should I try with that one :)? On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Jason D. Clinton wrote: > A first production attempt of launch video #2 is available here. > Comments, please. The sooner, the better because two more will be > produced tomorrow. > http://people.gnome.org/~jclinton/gnome3_launch_videos/gnome3_launch_video2_beta.webm > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: first draft of my response to Linux Format magazine
On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: > > I think I would remove "we broke all APIs and". It will still say the same > thing. > Relevant: http://e-abaco.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/bug-feature.jpg -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Plumbing [Was: GNOME Journal]
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Allan Day wrote: > > The danger of a GNOME tweak tool is that it sends the message that GNOME > 3 isn't appropriate or ready for some users or use-cases. We need to be > very clear - GNOME 3 is ready. It works without the need to tweak. > (People can install whatever they want on their machines, and they can > play around with them as they see fit, of course.) > OTOH, if we refrain from creating one, many tweak tools will pop. Sort of what Ubuntu had a few years ago... and I bet still has: a bazillion tools that do a lot of not-really-smart stuff to "tweak" and "enhance" your desktop. But of course, having such module means we will get a bug for absolutely every configuration key in existence... which would make me say that we don't really want the plumbing module. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Update and further action items on GNOME 3.0 launch parties
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 1:47 AM, Frederic Muller wrote: > > 5. Local dispatch: in order to save courier fee, we are looking for > volunteers in different regions to help to dispatch goodies packages and > send them out in their region. > Task owners: > - USA: Brian > - Asia: Emily > - Europe: we need someone, any takers? > - Other places such as Central and Latin American: what's the recommended > local dispatch location? > I *think* that postage costs are high enough in South América to prefer producing in each location, plus customs is usually picky. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Questions about FoG and campaigns
And it misses a more tangible goal than just the number of subscriptors IMO. Something like "2 new hackfests this year" or whatever. Obviously the money won't be used exclusively on that, but it helps understand why we want money, besides "because it's money". On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:36 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: > We also need to promote the campaigns more. > > People need to blog about it, maybe we can ask some journalists to help us > by writing about it, we can use our Google Adsense account, etc. > > Other than here on the marketing list and on the header of gnome.org, I > haven't seen it mentioned any where ... > > Stormy > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Og Maciel wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Jason D. Clinton >> wrote: >> > I guess the question would be: do the campaigns switch like clock-work >> > or do we do it manually depending on how close we are to the goal when >> > the time for the next campaign period arrives? >> >> I'd like to have campaigns scheduled in advance so that we can better >> plan things out. >> -- >> Og B. Maciel >> GNOME Foundation Board of Directors >> >> omac...@foresightlinux.org >> ogmac...@gnome.org >> >> GPG Keys: D5CFC202 >> >> http://www.ogmaciel.com (en_US) >> http://blog.ogmaciel.com (pt_BR) >> -- >> marketing-list mailing list >> marketing-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > > > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
marketing-list@gnome.org
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Allan Day wrote: > Paul Cutler wrote: >> I think this is a good idea - are you thinking a live session in IRC >> or something else? > > IRC was my first thought, though I'm open to suggestions. We might > want to combine a live IRC session with a resource that's available on > the web, for example. Many people aren't able to get on IRC... > Web IRC clients work fine. mibbit.com has been the recommendation for GNOME Hispano IRC talks and it usually has half of the logged in users. The trick is to have a big blinking link that says "JOIN THE CHAT" that takes you directly to mibbit, in that precise room. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: getting www.gnome3.org
You ate a letter:
* Dark application themes for when you want to focus on pictures and videos
* edesigned workspaces so you can easily organise your windows
^
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 8:14 PM, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
> On 01/10/2011 01:04 AM, Allan Day wrote:
>>
>> Andreas Nilsson wrote:
>>>
>>> On 01/04/2011 09:11 PM, Stormy Peters wrote:
>>>
>>> We do have gnome3.org and we worked on it at the last marketing hackfest.
>>> At
>>> that time, it was really close to launching ...
>>>
>>> http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/gnome3.org/
>>> This design is a bit different from the one I did at the Marketing
>>> Hackfest
>>> in Spain, but it has basically the same stuff + some new content that
>>> Allan
>>> recently put together.
>>> No videos for now, since we don't have any ready, but a bunch of
>>> screenshots, some info, a faq and ways to try it. We can add more stuff,
>>> or
>>> refocus the page if needed later.
>>> Should be pretty ready to launch.
>>> - Andreas
>>
>> A few things:
>>
>> * The exclamation mark needs to be removed from 'And much, much more'
>
> Fixed.
>>
>> * I've tweaked the distraction free computing paragraph:
>> http://etherpad.tugraz.at/t95fCI5z5L .
>
> Fixed.
>>
>> * 'removes the need to switch from keyboard to mouse' needs to be
>> removed from the everything at your fingertips paragraph
>
> Fixed.
>>
>> Ooo, and one last thing - the buttons for get it and the faq kinda
>> break up the flow of the text. If you want to keep them there, maybe
>> we should remove the first paragraph ('For GNOME 3...')? Otherwise,
>> what about moving those buttons, possibly to the bottom of the page?
>
> Agreed. Fixed.
> - Andreas
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Re: Video conferencing application
El mar, 14-12-2010 a las 19:13 +0100, Joey Ferwerda escribió: > What about just using Gtalk? > > Its not open source, but it is free software! > I guess you meant voice/video over jabber, which is what gtalk uses and what Empathy can also do. Empathy can work fine for this I guess. But likely telepathy developers can suggest something else. Maybe even a hardcoded program only for this event. AFAIK there was work on multiuser video chat. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Friends of GNOME: Discount for annual subscription option
El dom, 07-11-2010 a las 09:09 -0700, Stormy Peters escribió: > Hi GNOME Marketing folks, > > Og Maciel is working on the Friends of GNOME page and he had the idea > of offering a discount if people sign up for the year. So a yearly > subscription would be $100/year and a monthly subscription would be > $10/month. > What if instead of the $20 discount we gave them an extra souvenir that monthly subscribers don't get? I wonder which one "feels better" to people taking the offer and not taking it. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 2.32 banner
El mié, 29-09-2010 a las 16:38 -0500, Jason Clinton escribió: > I would be in favor of changing the guidelines to be the Droid > family--a transition that could be made slowly. > I remember some comments about switching also the default font in the desktop to droid sans. Would make sense. Is it i18n friendly? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Blogs on ereaders
El sáb, 25-09-2010 a las 13:09 -0500, Bryen M. Yunashko escribió: > Have we gotten Planet GNOME onto Kindle and other ereader products? I > haven't been able to find it yet (though I'm still learning my Kindle). > From what I've gathered...Amazon charges 99 cents a month for delivery > of blogs and pays 30% of revenue to the blogger (in this case GNOME > Foundation.) > Do we need some legal clearance to do this? Given that the content itself is not Foundation's content but from the bloggers syndicated. I guess a simple waive when accepting to be on pgo would do? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: New donators roles
El mié, 02-06-2010 a las 14:28 -0300, Jonh Wendell escribió: > > It *would* reside in a new About GNOME dialog. That's my proposal. Do > you guys agree? > That's quite interesting. One concern: what would hold distros from using this for their own donors? I mean, if distros also put their donors there, why would people want to pay us for space instead of distributors? Or what if a distributor patches the about dialog out? How can we preserve the integrity of the dialog? A guideline? Good will? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
New donators roles
Hi everyone
we have a long standing pending item to define how smaller companies and
non-profit groups can associate to GNOME. This means re-thinking our
donation options.
Currently we offer Advisory Board fees or free range donations in FoG.
This works fine for individuals and our heavily involved AB companies,
however we are missing out smaller companies that might want to donate
one time or regularly and get visibility for it.
A possible layout of our options would be this:
- (unchanged) AB members:
+ annual fee: 10K/20K
+ link in foundation.gnome.org
+ usual association and mentions
+ AB seat
- (unchanged) FoG (individuals):
+ various fee options
+ souvenirs
+ listing in donors history page
- (new) Company donations ("companies' FoG"):
+ various fee ranges or case-by-case discussion
+ logo in donors history page
+ logo in /friends/ footer and/or other sections of gnome.org
- (new) Supporter (mostly non-profits?):
+ discussable fee or contribution (maybe some resource?)
+ logo in some 2nd level page in foundation.gnome.org
+ we keep an eye to work with you in the future
The big questions:
- what can we offer to companies? ideas:
+ logo on gnome.org/friends;
+ gnome.org/something to hold logos and links to our donors;
+ mention in all events organised by the Foundation;
+ "Supporter" sponsor level in the next N hackfests or events;
+ press release for the new relationship;
+ ask for spreading news about FoG (for example);
- what should we expect from/give non-profits? ideas:
+ a small(er) fee?;
+ link exchange;
+ press release about the new relationship;
+ support from them for our campaigns, like links for FoG;
+ re-transmission of their press releases via Foundation blog?;
Currently you don't get much credit for donating as a company unless you
get to the AB and there's no defined position or role for groups like
guifi.net to associate with us.
Also past individual donors have a not very visible list on
gnome.org/friends/, we could have a much better display for them.
Maybe some other concept instead of a list, maybe a big mosaic like the
"GNOME is people" one or something?
Hope to hear from you!
Diego
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Re: GNOME Free Agent T-shirt Proposal
El mié, 19-05-2010 a las 14:12 -0500, Brian Cameron escribió: > > > > "GNOME powers SugarLabs and OLPC's efforts to give marginalized children > > [around the world?] a new chance [better?] to learn, achieve and > > transform their worlds" > > I think just "children" is best. > > How about: > > GNOME powers SugarLabs and OLPC >A global effort providing children with tools to > learn, achieve, and transform their world. > Sounds really good. Surely we can triage it even further, any opinions dear marketing list? :) -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Free Agent T-shirt Proposal
El mar, 18-05-2010 a las 21:06 -0500, Brian Cameron escribió: > GNOME Marketing Team: > > On April 6th, I proposed a "GNOME Free Agent" t-shirt which would > highlight the humanitarian aspects of being a GNOME volunteer. > > I have been working with Mike (Dongyun) Lee and Diki Niwatori to > put together a t-shirt mock-up. Refer here: > >http://www.sheepfiends.com/gngt-olpc.png > > After discussion, we decided to make the image mono-color. While a bit > less exciting than the full-color version, it is less busy and will be > easier and less expensive to print. How much expensive? OTOH a single color is also good and we can always have non white t-shirts with a good matching color. The message might be a bit too long, probably a line too long. Also I'd try with other words, for example: "GNOME powers SugarLabs and OLPC's efforts to give marginalized children [around the world?] a new chance [better?] to learn, achieve and transform their worlds" I fear that too much text might make people lose interest in the t-shirt and potential question+conversation and "developing world [children]" is an euphemism I'd rather avoid. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Joining Gnome
Hi Eder, El vie, 14-05-2010 a las 15:05 -0300, Eder Marques escribió: > > Currently I am involved with i10n/i18n in Debian. I would like to get > involved with gnome project. My academic background (BA and MSc) is > focused on Management, so I may I can contribute a little with gnome > marketing, specially in Brazil. > Cool. Keep an eye on the list, or read the archives for the last month to know what's going on and how things are working right now: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list Don't fear offering new ideas or volunteering to existing ones. Welcome! -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store
El mié, 28-04-2010 a las 13:00 +0200, Andre Klapper escribió: > > Of all the geeky shirts I have the "Beagle" one[1] has created by far > the most feedback (people starting to talk to me, often immediately > asking how they can buy one while having no idea that it's a software). > My story is better. I once saw a Beagle logo t-shirt on sale in a random flea-style market, in a post of all kind of stamped t-shirts. Yeah. A C# indexer, on a t-shirt, next to AC-DC, Metallica and similar. Call that effective. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME -> Gnome
El mar, 06-04-2010 a las 18:28 +0200, Dave Neary escribió: > Hi Andre, > > Andre Klapper wrote: > > Am Dienstag, den 06.04.2010, 08:08 -0500 schrieb Bharat Kapoor: > >> At least now I know what GNOME is an acronym for :) > >> The talk is about name or rename (if our mission is consistent with) > >> GNU Network Object Model Environment > > > > Once again: GNOME WAS an acronym. GNOME is NOT anymore an acronym. > > GNOME stands for GNOME nowadays. Only. That's all. > > Except, that's not a good answer. > > If that's the case, then GNOME can be Gnome or gnome or GnoMe or > whatever. All caps implies acronym, and thus people will ask what it > stands for. And if you answer "it doesn't stand for anything", the most > likely answer is "that's stupid". > I don't agree. I usually use André's answer and people just find it curious or funny. I haven't get negative feedback or reactions from "GNOME is just GNOME, it was blah blah, but now it's just GNOME". It's not an absolutist answer, just a simple one. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME 3 Marketing - GNOME Shell
El jue, 01-04-2010 a las 08:27 -0400, Owen Taylor escribió: > > There's always been the idea that the tent of GNOME is broader than the > GNOME desktop distribution and there is certainly room for other options > than GNOME Shell in there, but when we are selling the GNOME 3 desktop > we need to be selling a single thing. > Agree, you are right. > > So how we message the choice - what are the terms that a distribution > should be using when talking about this choice. Should it simply be > > (*) GNOME 3 - enhanced experience > ( ) GNOME 2 - reduced hardware requirements > This is a perfect chance to craft those distribution guidelines we sometimes talk about. We can ask distributors to specifically frame this two options like that, with that wording. Otherwise they can break our message by accident by choosing other words. Not to hijack the thread but I wonder if someone would like to take a look at what we could possibly include in such guidelines if they are created. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Hello and suggestions
Hi Marc!, El jue, 01-04-2010 a las 11:00 +0200, Marc Hanisch escribió: > Hello list, > > my name is Marc Hanisch and I'm a professional (in the terms of > payed ;-)) web developer from Germany. > I want to contribute to the Gnome project in several ways and would be > glad to spread the word about gnome :-) > Welcome! You'll see that lately some topics are being discussed, take a few days to "lurk around" and feel free to offer opinions or taking up a task. > I saw the the GnomeOnWindows[1] list and I'm wondering why GNU Cash > isn't listed there? > The compability list for Mac OS X seems to be outdated, as Gnumeric > works very very well on Mac OS X, Pidgin is available via MacPorts, > too and I think Evolution isn't maintained by Novell for Mac OS X > anymore... > Feel free to edit the wiki if you have more accurate and updated information. I guess that GNU Cash is not there because it's not absolutely a GNOME app, but I wouldn't be so sure... anyone knows what's the criteria? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME 3 Marketing - GNOME Shell
El mar, 30-03-2010 a las 11:52 -0400, Owen Taylor escribió: > > We can also point to various alternative desktops built on GNOME > technology - whether that's the continuing ability to run the GNOME 2 > panel and window manager, or to XFCE and LXDE. > Scratch that, we either point people to GNOME Shell or GNOME Panel + Metacity. Our message is totally broken if we point people to other products :-). Remember http://live.gnome.org/GNOME3Myths , we should keep people using GNOME and make it clear that we want you to use GNOME Shell but we are not forcing you if you prefer the old panel, it's there if you need it and it's not hard to use it. On this topic, Debian for example is offering a "gnome-3-session" meta package so it shouldn't be hard for distros to offer alternative sessions in GDM that use gnome-panel + metacity. We can work with the major ones to support this fallback for users. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME 2.30 banner for wgo
El mar, 30-03-2010 a las 04:31 +0200, Vincent Untz escribió: > Hi all, > > I've not seen any mail about the 2.30 banner that we'll put on the > www.gnome.org frontpage. What are the plans there? Do we have something > ready? Or shall I bribe Vinicius or Andreas? > Bribing always works better. Go ahead. (cc'd Vinicius) -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Facebook GNOME page
El mié, 17-03-2010 a las 14:43 -0600, Stormy Peters escribió: > I like the idea of contests with tshirts as prizes. (Can we give out a > Facebook badge? Is it possible to do that - give a badge to a select > few like Facebook sells pretend teddy bears and bananas? Anybody > know?) > Not a contest but check EFF's page: http://www.facebook.com/eff?ref=nf&v=wall They have a swag tab and a join one. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Campaign Proposal
Hi Nelson, El mar, 02-03-2010 a las 17:43 +, Nelson Marques escribió: > Hi > > > I've been away from a couple of days due to final exams, presentations > and lately some problems with natural issues, mainly a couple of storms > and national wide red alert. I'm also a Volunteer Firefighter in > Murtosa, therefore I was forced to be off for some time. > > Back to the subject. I'd recon for now that the "wild life" might be a > sensible issue. My proposal: > > Open a Wiki page for discussion of possible themes for a new release to > be opened to community discussion. > Feel free to open a page under http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing section of the wiki, just create a user and create the page. Send a reminder here when you have put your ideas there so the other people that proposed things here can do the same. Then we can read the proposals and discuss more. Try to keep it short so more people read it. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Mobile Giving Foundation
El mié, 03-03-2010 a las 08:53 -0700, Stormy Peters escribió: > > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Bharat Kapoor <3.kap...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Whats the process, when I know I have a go ahead to get the > paperwork ready for the vendor - they have sent it to me and I > am just sitting on them waiting for our team's approval. > > How about putting together the launch plan first? > Just wanted to say that agree to investing and giving a try to this. And also that we should have a clear plan on how we are going to explode this to the last cent :). Some ideas: - Ask AdBarn people to give us space (or pay if it's not much?) - Produce a banner that people can put in their website - Send frequent notice of this via indeti.ca/twitter + Idea: have a list of phrases under 140 chars to promote this so we can just blindly send the message - Add the banner to planet, gnome.org On a more wishful thinking note: can we create a WP plugin that gives us this nice boxes for the sidebars? For example there's this flickr box for the sidebar, we could have one for "GNOME campaigns" so when we launch anything like this we just stream it to all our "subscribers". What do you think? It would be like a distributed free wall for publicity posters :). Am I evil? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Campaign Proposal
El mar, 23-02-2010 a las 09:50 -0700, Stormy Peters escribió: > > > They might forget, or not even notice, the GNOME message by itself, > but remember the animal and the associated message. > > This is the whole premise behind using images in presentations. People > remember images. Even if the association between the image and the > message is not 100%. > Yeah. What did Apple ever had to do with pre-computer-era thinkers? Yet they built a campaign around "think different" and inspiring personalities. People didn't forget about Apple, instead they associated the feelings that these famous people brought to them with the Apple brand. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Campaign Proposal
El mar, 23-02-2010 a las 08:51 -0700, Stormy Peters escribió: > So I really don't think that naming releases after endangered species > will make us look like an endangered species. And I think being > associated with cute animals is almost always a good thing. > Me neither. I honestly think people don't think endangered is a synonym for failure, endangered usually puts the guilt in illegal hunting, irresponsible growth and such, and puts the pride in people trying to raise awareness and fighting to get them out of the endangered status. It appeals to me because I see an opportunity and in the worst case a lesson to learn and teach to others about taking care of the stuff we have to not regret later. Honestly I think the view tends to be positive towards the ones promoting the cause. A brainstormish list of possible reactions: - good: + let's help! + oh that sucks, i'll plant a tree + cute animals, we suck for killing them + sensitive guys, they care for life - bad: + animals? really? I only care about the ones I eat! + haha! a dodo! + shouldn't they be hacking instead? And GNOME 3 the Doodling Dodo is a great release name :-). > But I do like the idea of picking a humanitarian cause more related to > us. Is there something in the developing world or technology related > that we can link to? Could we pick animals in areas we'd like to help? > There are a lot of cute animals down here. Also lots of nice places too. I don't know if associating with places would make sense since they are not causes and would be more like ad-space for touristic development :). We have cute vulnerable bears in Perú, locally nicknamed "Googles bear" (as in he's using googles/glasses): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tremarctos_ornatus Everybody loves bears. Perhaps education can be a cause we can directly support: we provide free software to aid teachers and students to use computers without prohibitive license costs and also give them the chance to learn from our work. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Facebook, just a thought
El vie, 19-02-2010 a las 03:26 +, Nelson Marques escribió: > Hi, > > Anyone has knowledge about those widgets that we can add to facebook > profile? > I think those are boxes or some term like that. Having them would be great. We can even put a game up and get insanely rich, that's the trend nowadays isn't it ;)? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Campaign Proposal
El mié, 17-02-2010 a las 17:47 +, Nelson Marques escribió: > > Diego, > > I would maintain the number, just add the (promotion) "name" ahead. > Removing numbers will probably make a huge turmoil, and it's not really > necessary. I don't know the dev's position, but I would assume it would > would be handy to keep. > Yeah, that's what I meant, "GNOME 2.30: The Philosophical Panther", that style of naming. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Campaign Proposal
El mié, 17-02-2010 a las 08:09 -0800, Sriram Ramkrishna escribió: > > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Nelson Marques <07...@ipam.pt> wrote: > > Please flame at will... > > > > > I would hope that nobody would do such a thing for putting effort and > time into an idea. We have serious community issues if one expects to > be flamed when proposing an idea. This isn't LKML. :) > Yeah, don't worry ;). We are all friendly people, or try to be :). I do like the idea you are proposing in the doc (others: it's a quick read, give it a look), three concrete points I liked: - referring to releases by a name instead of a number, this works fine for Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora - associating the species features to GNOME release features, this could give an easy starting point for a lot of material I think - attracting more artistic contribution since the theme stops being "GNOME" (geeky, computers) and becomes "$species" (wildlife, ecology, colourful). I'd like to see this, what do others think? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Friends of GNOME Ruler
El mar, 16-02-2010 a las 18:06 -0600, Brian Cameron escribió: > > 2. Add a bit more text in Friends of GNOME front page about the goal. > > Maybe elaborate a bit more on the benefits of hiring a sysadmin? > > Volunteers? > > > > Maybe we could reuse the text from the original announcement mail? With > > some wordsmithing ... > > Paul Cutler put the following job description together, which seems > like it contains pretty good content: > >http://live.gnome.org/Sysadmin/AdvisoryMeeting/JobDescription > That's not a bad starting point. Can we get Owen's input on the concern he expresses at the end of that page? Perhaps we can orientate the hiring/contract to quarterly goals or something like that instead of routine tasks. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Communication Plan Matrix
Hi Nelson, El mié, 10-02-2010 a las 21:14 +, Nelson Marques escribió: > Dear all, > > Everyone should see the attachment included, despite of your role on > this list as it covers everything related to GNOME. > With the upcoming GNOME 3.0 release, this is actually my first real > contribution for this list, and I would suggest that we work this out, > as this isn't a one man job. > Well I see you have 3 items mentioned in page 3, but no more pages. Perhaps you attached the wrong document. BTW, I don't think many people will find that slogan appealing :-)... I suggest you to change it. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fwd: Fundraising / Donations
El lun, 08-02-2010 a las 16:15 -0700, Stormy Peters escribió: > I think it's an excellent offer and I definitely plan on saying > thanks. > > The question is, do we want to promote? I think we should ... > A badge? Like the FoG thing. We announce it together with some buttons and ask people to blog it. Maybe associate this with this idea: "all it takes to help gnome is to text" or "text gnome some help". -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: What keywords would you use for GNOME?
El mar, 09-02-2010 a las 12:13 +0100, Claus Schwarm escribió: > > For this, we would need at least > > * a second url (say, "www.gnome.org/b/friends") for a variation of the > friends page (and maybe related pages) With extra information and the assumption that people coming there do not have any idea what's GNOME? Stormy's post about this is interesting http://www.stormyscorner.com/2010/02/what-free-and-open-source-software-projects-can-learn-from-social-networking-and-fundraising.html Particularly this: So, for instance instead of saying "Donate to keep this project sustainable," one could say "We need to build out XYZ, can you pay for ONE line of code to go to that project? Our estimate is that it'll take X lines of code." No good idea for the wording, but I'm sure we can use the line of code per N dollars idea. Even with a ruler for each quarter or release cycle. Although this is a bit off topic for this thread maybe. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re:
El mar, 09-02-2010 a las 21:49 +, Nelson Marques escribió: > I would like to ask one thing to this list, would it be possible for > people to introduce themselfs and say what is their role around on the > list? > > Thanks in advance. I'm Diego, I'm currently serving in the Board of Directors and do some hacking for Epiphany, Epiphany Extensions and sporadically in other modules. You can also read some self descriptions in http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/MarketingTeam click on their wiki-names. ps: don't forget to include subjects in your emails. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Disruptive Question | Merchandising
Hey Nelson, El mar, 02-02-2010 a las 21:26 +, Nelson Marques escribió: > Establishing the "personality" of the brand is essential for all > merchandise, in fact, for all projects GNOME related. I hope people > don't take this as an "attack from bureaucrats", but getting this lines > thought over now is nice and will help in future projects and to > position our brand correctly. > Maybe you want to check this links, it's not directly brand personality stuff but perhaps you can get some view of what was done before, as far as I remember, we haven't updated these in a while, my memory is not cooperating [sidenote: maybe we should have a timestamp in that licensing page].: http://foundation.gnome.org/licensing/index.html http://live.gnome.org/Trademark We actually don't have something set in sacred stone or bureaucratic, don't worry we (as Project and as Foundation) are always open to new ideas ;-). > I've got a couple of things to propose to this list, need just some > time to make a paper presentation for them, so we can develop some > concepts. > This is great, any suggestion is always welcomed. And it's awesome that you decided to start contributing so quickly :-). > > I'll be keeping people updated on what I'm doing, then submit the info > to the list, discuss, work, re-work if needed, submit to whoever calls > the shots and implement. > Cool!, also feel free to ask in the list for a small brainstorm session or just a meeting to discuss some ideas you are drafting. There was a meeting recently, but surely there's people available and interested to sit down and chat for a while if you want. Thanks for this and welcome! -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Communicating to users what GNOME 3.0 is
El vie, 15-01-2010 a las 13:44 +0100, Andre Klapper escribió: > > As with every change, there's a lot of confusion and sometimes wrong > press about it (after reading some comments on articles in online tech > magazines on GNOME 3). > Beside wrong stuff like "They will remove nautilus and force us to use > zeitgeist/journal" and the classic "Please don't repeat KDE 4.0" I've > also seen a lot of "We cannot use gnome-panel and metacity anymore, > and > gnome-shell needs powerful hardware that I don't have" comments. > > It cannot hurt at all to clarify things here by communicating better > and > more often what GNOME 3 means and especially what it won't force users > to do to reduce FUD. > What do you say if we go -sometime in the campaign- with a meme-like thing in the fashion of debunking myths. Really short posts or tweets about this common misinterpretations. For example: #gnome3 MYTH: you're forced to use gnome-shell; FACT: you can run gnome-panel+metacity if you prefer That would already help I think. They key being short and concise, because we can go on and elaborate on the future of stuff, but people care about (meaning: will only read) the yes/no to their question. I guess we could even have a funky critter to associate, but that might be bikeshedding :P. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Gnome Foundation Ad On FSF Endorsed Network
El vie, 18-12-2009 a las 06:46 -0700, Stormy Peters escribió: > > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 6:41 AM, Patrick Fey > wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > . Wouldn't it be a better idea, if we did a Friends of > GNOME ad? The community that AdBard serves seems to be exactly > our > target audience for FoG. We could maybe combine that with a > special > offer for new subscribers during the time the ad is running. > > That's a very good point. They are our target audience. We could do > something simple like "Become a Friend of GNOME" or "Support GNOME". > > What type of offer were you thinking? Stickers and tshirts are the > most popular thing we send, I think. > What about an exclusive preview or batch of GNOME3 marketing material when it's ready? For example if a banner is made for GNOME3, a sticker version could be sent to all this subscribers, although I don't know if that would be good from the pov of our current donors. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: CRM setup: need your review
El mié, 09-12-2009 a las 13:37 -0700, Stormy Peters escribió: > > > This seems an awful lot like this duplicates data in mango. > Which one > will be authoritative? The "is foundation member" bit in mango > is > normally, but not always correct. > > What is mango and what do we use it for? What all is in it? > Mango is our web UI for accounts. You can admin them and set stuff like email alias, shell access, git access, ssh key and some flags like "is foundation member". -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Friends of GNOME Merchandise Queen or King needed (Was: GNOME US Event Box)
El mié, 09-12-2009 a las 15:23 -0600, Brian Cameron escribió: > Behdad: > > > Before making it too enticing, this is a US-only "position", right? > > > Should make it clear. > > If the compensation is travel to an event, then why would it need to > be > a US-only position? Are the tax implications of giving a gift or > reward > very complicated? > Having it USA only would make things lot simpler. Customs are prone to random failure. Plus if we can do it through zazzle, I'd rather do that. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Store
El mié, 02-12-2009 a las 07:53 -0600, Paul Cutler escribió: > > Please take a look at Zazzle and the products they offer and reply > with ideas. Right now we'll use the graphics / logos uploaded that > you see on the shirts. The green t-shirt should be the now classic white equation on chalkboard green. Agree with others about not having more than 8 or so items. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Help define new partnership roles with GNOME Foundation
Hello marketing list! currently GNOME offers other groups, companies or projects to join the Foundation as Advisory Board members. This -as you know- implies benefits and responsibilities for both sides: a fee to be payed, a seat in the advisory board calls, etc. However, this doesn't necessarily works well for organizations or groups that might have a different thing to offer to the Foundation by associating, and that might be interested in something different from the Foundation than a seat in the AB. So, we -the Board- are asking for your feedback to brainstorm and try to define a role or model that would allow new organizations to partner with GNOME Foundation in a more consistent way. Here are some ideas to discuss: - Organizations doing humanitarian work: we definitely want to work with organizations that do work in the developing world. How best could we help them? What can we offer, can we really help them? Can they help us? - For non profits or non business companies: should we have a one-size-fits-all donation fee for joining? should we judge case by case? - AdBoard relationship: if we were to have a group of non AB organizations, should we have 'open' AB meetings where they can participate? - Some companies that use GNOME technology might be happy to support us with a logo exchange: how can we engage them and what can we offer and request concretely? In the same fashion, here are some ideas about what we could offer: - Recognition as a GNOME supporter - A press release - Presence in our website as supporters - Promotion space in our website (as content, not ads) - Consider them "sponsors" or "supporters" of certain events All ideas appreciated, thanks! -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Add Support GNOME Badge to Planet GNOME?
El vie, 13-11-2009 a las 09:22 -0600, Paul Cutler escribió: > Hi, > > Is there an opportunity to add a "Support GNOME" badge [1] to the > footer of Planet GNOME? > > I'm not sure who maintains the Planet code itself (I know Vincent and > Lucas maintain who is aggregated). Looking at the footer, maybe there > is room on the far right side under the GNOME Logo and disclaimer? > Wouldn't that overlap with the donation ruler that is planned? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Friends of GNOME mailing list
El mié, 11-11-2009 a las 23:51 -0700, Stormy Peters escribió: > When we created the new Friends of GNOME web pages we decided not to > ask people if they wanted to sign up for a mailing list and instead > direct them to the Foundation list. > > I think we should at least ask them if it's ok to contact them in the > future. We may want to contact them about surveys, campaigns, > petitions, ... > It would make sense to send a summary of activities related to Foundation, so people know why their contribution was so important to us. Even only twice a year like Paul says, it would be good. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Friends of GNOME September data
El sáb, 17-10-2009 a las 21:16 -0600, Guy Lunardi escribió: > All, > > some really interesting ideas on this site (and the cause is great too, > feel free to donate): > http://www.maasaimarathon.com/ > > The sponsoring idea is neat > http://www.maasaimarathon.com/content/sponsor/ > and the pages are generally well put together. > Sort of the adopt a hacker thing. Maybe we can do something similar but with events. For example people could sponsor a webkit hackfest vs a video hackfest or gtk hackfest. That way we could give people a feeling of decision power but at the same time it would be hackers and hackers only who would decide what to do in the hackfest. Great link Guy :-) -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: bugs & press
I understand she's using sshfs instead of sftp with nautilus? iirc, sshfs is just a hack to mount sftp somewhere in your tree. nautilus' sftp:// works the same and is -i guess- much easier to setup. I would advise her to try to use nautilus connect to server (File -> connect to server -> SSH). El mié, 14-10-2009 a las 13:12 -0600, Stormy Peters escribió: > She says: > > Carla Schroder also commented on her status: > > "Hi Stormy, the problem apps are Gedit and Gnumeric. It's > consistent no matter what distro they're installed on. > > Here's the short story: Gedit will not save to a SSHFS share, > it gives this error message: > 'Could not save the file /home/carla/sshfs/easylist. > txt. > > You do not have the permissions necessary to save the file. > Please check that you typed the location correctly and try > again.' > > Sometimes disabling 'Create a backup copy before saving' cures > it, sometimes not. > > Gnumeric will not save to an SSHFS share. The save fails with > an 'Operation not permitted' message. I can use File-Save As > once and save it under a new name. Then subsequent saves fail. > > I didn't keep a record of the bug reports or forum discussions > on this, there are many. This bug report is similar to my > issue, and typical of what I remember reading: > > http://www.facebook.com/l/;https://bugs.launchpad.net/sshfs-mounter/+bug/34813 > > If you can fix this you have mighty powers. I didn't bother > pursuing it any further; ordinarily I would look for a > workaround or file a bug report, but that didn't seem like it > would accomplish anything in this case." > > > Stormy > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Jaap A. Haitsma > wrote: > I'd be surprised that this is the case. Gedit and Gnumeric > both use > gio/gvfs at least in their latest releases. I'd be very > surprised if > that is broken because in that case almost no GNOME app would > be able > to save to a network share > > So maybe best to ask her which version she is running of GNOME > and which distro > > Jaap > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 19:25, Stormy Peters > wrote: > > Carla Schroder is a press person who's been pretty friendly > towards us. Any > > way we could get this bug fixed and then send her an email? > Maybe she'd > > write about it ... > > > > (And please don't send her any emails of "it's already fixed > if she'd just > > do this" or "it won't be fixed because ..." or ...) > > > > Stormy > > > > From Facebook: > > > > Carla Schroder Yet one more reason Gnome is annoying and > broken: Gedit and > > Gnumeric will not save to network shares. Many old bug > reports languish. > > > > > -- > > marketing-list mailing list > > marketing-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > > > > > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME 2.28 Press Release
On Wed, 2009-09-23 at 15:47 -0500, Paul Cutler wrote: > I've never written a press release before, here's a first draft. The > only thing that I haven't been able to fit in a comment that we > deliver GNOME every 6 months. I wrote this in Abiword - if anyone > wants the file, let me know. > > Paul > > GNOME 2.28 enhances Empathy Instant Messaging, adds official Bluetooth > support, and improves other applications and the GNOME Developer > Platform. > Perhaps: GNOME 2.28 "made for sharing" includes an improved instant messaging client, integrated Bluetooth headsets and networking support and many improvements in the GNOME Developer Platform. > September 23rd, 2009 > > The GNOME Community is excited to announce the immediate availability > of GNOME 2.28. Hundreds of volunteers worldwide have worked over the > past six months to deliver improvements to the GNOME Desktop and GNOME > Developer Platform. GNOME's mission is to provide a free desktop > accessible to everyone regardless of their physical ability, financial > ability or the language they speak. > > GNOME 2.28 delivers a number of new feature enhancements to improve > the user experience. GNOME 2.28 adds official support for Bluetooth > devices for the first time, including mice, keyboards, mobile phones > and other peripherals. Bastien Nocera, maintainer of the > gnome-bluetooth module says: “With the addition of the Bluetooth > management tools and the > > enhancements to our Volume Control applications, we've given GNOME > users > > access to more hardware features, whilst keeping our design > principles.” > Perhaps it would be more relevant to mention Bastien as "hacker of the GNOME Bluetooth stack|set|pack", maintainer and module might sound a bit too nerdish. Maybe "Bastien Nocera, one of the leading developers of GNOME's Bluetooth capabilities|featureset". > Empathy, GNOME's instant messenger, built on the Telepathy framework, > has seen numerous improvements, including the ability to add custom > themes, geolocation support for Jabber clients, and the ability for > users to share their desktop with their contacts using the GNOME > Remote Desktop server and viewer, Vino and Vinagre. "The Telepathy > team is proud of the cooperation between the Empathy, Vino and Vinagre > developers. Thanks to their work, our users will be able to easily > share their desktop with their contacts without having to care about > the underlying technical details. This is a great step for us as it > marks the first use in GNOME of the collaborative features offered > by the Telepathy framework. We hope to soon see more and more > applications integrating Telepathy in order to increase the > collaborative user experience in the GNOME desktop," says Guillame > Desmottes. > This feels a bit long, perhaps it's just because of my mail client. Maybe put a before the quote by Guillame. Also we need to say 'Guillame Desmottes, one of the main contributors of Empathy'. > The GNOME Developer Platform has seen significant progress in removing > deprecated modules and functionality. In GNOME 2.28, there are no > longer any applications that depend on esound, libgnomevfs, > libgnomeprint, or libgnomeprintui. GTK+, Glib and other GNOME > libraries have also seen improvements. > I would move this before the reference to the release notes. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME 2.28 Press Release - Quotes Needed
On Mon, 2009-09-21 at 14:52 -0500, Paul Cutler wrote: > I'm going to blog about this as well, but for the GNOME 2.28 release > there was an idea to get quotes from developers to be included. (I > think it was Stormy's idea). > > I need help with whom we should be asking for quotes from. > Applications with updates featured in the release notes include > gnome-bluetooth (Bastien), Empathy, Epiphany, Evince, Cheese and > gnome-volume-manager (Bastien again). > I would ask John Wendell (jwend...@gnome.org) about empathy-vino-vinagre integration together with an Empathy hacker, the reason being that this would help raise awareness that we are global and not only northern-hemisphere based :-). Cheese got a new contributor during this cycle iirc, Daniel (cc) should know. Epiphany wasn't really end-user exciting imho, we only switched backends and tried to not break much in the process. But Xan (cc) can perhaps say something about how good progress in a11y was made working with Joan Marie. That's some ideas :-) -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Spreading the word about 2.28
On Mon, 2009-09-21 at 14:08 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote: > I like Built to Share. (Sounds like built to last.) > Freedom to share? Sharing freedom? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: What is GNOME?
On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 11:24 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote: > I met with Denise last week and she pointed out: > * It's very hard to tell what GNOME is from our web pages. If > you don't know when you land on gnome.org, you aren't likely > to figure it out. An "easy to understand desktop" doesn't > really mean anything to non desktop/OS developers. When you go > to About GNOME, you get a list of our values/features but not > a definition, screenshot or list of projects. Just a small comment: >From my personal experience, people feels more interested and motivated when they perceive our work as humanitarian and 'making the world better' style. Specially I'd say that "What we do" plus "Why we do it" are points to be crafted carefully with this in mind. Friends of GNOME is a good example of this. just that :-) -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Amazon stores up and running
Hey Jaap! On Sat, 2009-09-05 at 01:20 +0200, Jaap A. Haitsma wrote: > I've added a logo and text to the sidebar. > Test site: http://gnome.haitsma.org/friends/ > > What do you think, ready to commit? > Nice work!, thanks for your effort :-). I have a comment about the current store, on the right side I see this "Install search plugin" link. This says little to me, maybe a firefox extension icon and some sort of banner-button and a further explanation of what does the search plugins does would be better. Also I would say that 2 columns would be better than 3, the third one being right now the 'Install search plugin' link, maybe put that as the top banner of the right column (in a 2 column layout) would be better. :-) -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Please welcome Denise Walters to GNOME Marketing
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 06:50 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote: > GNOME Marketing team, > > I'd like to introduce a new member to the group. > > Denise Walters is a friend of mine who worked with me at HP. She > worked on the Linux and Open Source Marketing team there and before > that she wrote technical documentation. She has 10 years of experience > documenting Debian and commercial distributions to meet HP customer > needs. > Welcome Denise! thanks for contributing your time to GNOME :-)! -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Promoting Gnome Foundation trough sponsored people
On Mon, 2009-06-01 at 16:29 -0400, Germán Póo-Caamaño wrote: > Just two ideas: > > Besides the sponsorship given (travel airfare and/or accommodation), we > could give to sponsored people a nice Gnome t-shirt with a legend such > as: "I'm attending to this conference thanks to Gnome Foundation" (or > something better). > +1! How many sponsored guys do we have this year? 40? 30?, making t-shirts for them all would cost... ? Probably we can get something cheap with whoever is doing the t-shirts for the conference. If more people think it's a good idea we can contact the Canarias people. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Linux Foundation membership brings linux.com email address
On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 18:35 +0100, Simos Xenitellis wrote: > > Regarding the GNOME e-mail alias, I think it would be better to have > something '@friend.gnome.org' instead of '@friendofgnome.org'. The > latter disassociates a lot from gnome.org. > Mmm, not sure... not wanting to sound pedanthic about it but I think it's still too close. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Linux Foundation membership brings linux.com email address
On Fri, 2009-06-12 at 15:04 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote: > The Linux Foundation is giving out linux.com email addresses in return > for donations. As an incentive. > > So the question I have to ask: > > Should we give Friends of GNOME, maybe monthly subscribers, gnome.org > email addresses? > I personally prefer to keep it as a foundation-members-only benefit. Otherwise you suddenly find out a huge number of people writing from @gnome.org that you don't really know, it breaks most visible part of the idea of foundation membership as a network of trust I think (given that now you require the confidence of 2 members that vouch for you and your work to get in). -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME voted "Favorite Desktop Environment" 2009
On Thu, 2009-05-28 at 14:43 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote: > Claus: > > Might it be good to publicize this somehow, perhaps putting some NEWS > about it on the GNOME website? > What if we link it with a GNOME Journal article interviewing a bunch of users and developers about their favourite feature in GNOME? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: recruiting sponsors
On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 22:09 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: > Hi, > > Diego Escalante Urrelo wrote: > > OTOH, I have wonder if it would be fair to our current Advisory Board > > members to give other companies paying less the same marketing benefit, > > can we consider that the seat in AB is worth -say- $4000 or should we > > limit the marketing benefits of our possible smaller companies? > > You want to lower ad board fees? > Oh sorry, disregard that number, I just wrote down one a bit distracted. > > I'm thinking that we can get perhaps 8 small companies supporting with > > 1000 USD per year, what could we offer them? what would we keep as > > exclusive to our AB members? > > We might follow the GIMP & KDE models, and simply have a page where we > list benefactors of the foundation, separately from the advisory board. > Yes, that could work, they might ask for having a logo plus their name in the thank you pages instead of just their name. Just an idea. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: recruiting sponsors
On Wed, 2009-05-20 at 10:23 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote: > I really think we need a better way to get corporate donations than > advisory board seats. However, we need to find something better before > we decouple them. > Talked with John Wendell some time ago about this, we agreed that some local companies would be happy to sponsor GNOME through the Foundation but that offering them Advisory Board seats perhaps wasn't a good deal. The main thing is that this companies would really not be interested in shaping the future of GNOME but more in just getting some marketing by associating their brands to GNOME or just mentioning in their profiles that they support the Foundation. OTOH, I have wonder if it would be fair to our current Advisory Board members to give other companies paying less the same marketing benefit, can we consider that the seat in AB is worth -say- $4000 or should we limit the marketing benefits of our possible smaller companies? I'm thinking that we can get perhaps 8 small companies supporting with 1000 USD per year, what could we offer them? what would we keep as exclusive to our AB members? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: adopt a line of code
On 4/29/09, Stormy Peters wrote: > The Miro project is doing some good marketing. > > Here's there adopt a line of code campaign: > https://www.getmiro.com/adopt/ > > They are the ones that have the Amazon Affiliates Firefox widget. > Haha, awesomeness. It's to be discussed if hackers are cuter than baby lines of code. Don't think we can steal the idea directly, do you have something in mind? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Donation
On 4/30/09, Stormy Peters wrote: > more feedback > perhaps we can add a '(One time)' to the end of the others, like we specify (Monthly). -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Some musings on marketing and GNOME 3.0.
On 4/12/09, Luis Villa wrote: > On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Diego Escalante Urrelo > wrote: > > On 4/11/09, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > > >> When people buy a Mac, they aren't just buying a machine they are buying > >> into a lifestyle (or so they want you to believe. :-) and into an exciting > >> ecosystem of "beautiful things". We need to do something similar in our > >> approach to GNOME 3.0. Specifically, we should try to do a number of > >> things: > >> > > > > Agree. Mac doesn't even run lots of apps by usual windows users, yet > > they don't mind because they have something 'cooler'. They buy status. > > Now, we have the disadvantage of not costing more money :-) (refer to > > all those analysis about free (not software limited) perceived as > > worse, etc). > > > They primarily buy an excellent user experience. The status comes from > that. If you haven't internalized that the primary reason for their > success is the beginning-to-end excellent user experience, and > thinking it is about cost or status or... whatever... you're not > grokking why apple is successful. > Agree, by buying status I meant buying something "cooler" (cooler coming from precisely that, user experience, packaging, look, etc), you can buy a powerful PC but still not get the same experience, nor finish, etc. My last comment was mostly a separate thing, badly written. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Some musings on marketing and GNOME 3.0.
On 4/11/09, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > I was reading slashdot regarding the whole problem with netbooks with Linux > having a higher return rate than with windows. This seems to be an area > where we had equal footing and we lost our market share quite fast due to > not producing a product that didn't draw consumers to continue stick with > platform after purchase. The problem occurs from the fact that people are > familiar with Windows and the platform didn't provide enough of a draw to > surmount that familiarity. We should ask ourselves what we could do as the > first line of what customers see when they are in front of their computer > screen to keep them there. > > When people buy a Mac, they aren't just buying a machine they are buying > into a lifestyle (or so they want you to believe. :-) and into an exciting > ecosystem of "beautiful things". We need to do something similar in our > approach to GNOME 3.0. Specifically, we should try to do a number of > things: > Agree. Mac doesn't even run lots of apps by usual windows users, yet they don't mind because they have something 'cooler'. They buy status. Now, we have the disadvantage of not costing more money :-) (refer to all those analysis about free (not software limited) perceived as worse, etc). > * Get distros to buy in to a "Marketplace" ala Apple iTunes or iPhone > appstore. A single, well designed site that allows people to get software. > This will include both commercial and free software. The commercial might > sound controversial but what I'm proposing is that people who want to sell > their app must still provide source what they charge for is wahtever added > value they think they can do. Distros can still do their software > repositories of course but we should favor the market place concept. I see > a big role for PackageKit here in providing the right infrastructure to do > this. > This sounds like a great idea, it would be neat to have big buttons "Install" and have PackageKit or the distro's tool call their package manager to install such package. Package names don't change so often, so it would be feasible to have the website: a) offer per distro links b) use some browser plugin (say packagekit's) to offer a "1 click install" button In b), nor the user nor the website would need to know the distro, it would only be the website with a link (just to illustrate the idea): pkk://gedit/install > * We need more content. Content, should be easily accessible I think. We > need to at least give the illusion that things are happening. Articles > geared towards familiies is a good step. Howtos for using Gimp to take > family photos of your kids and put them as a splash screen or boot screen. > These are jsut examples. We had talked about youtube channel and there was > an objection there because of flash. We can't start from scratch for this. > We need to create the channel and then learn from youtube and create our own > and use our desktop to integrate into that channel. > While not precisely this, I think that we can learn about it from Firefox, they got really really nice websites and artwork. It really looks cool. And it's marginally related to the "buying coolness" of the Macs. Using firefox is cool, using IE is "w00t! duud". > * Presence in non-technical arenas. If we have apps like Gourmet Recipe > Manager, we should try make a youtube channel (sorry, youtube again, that's > where all the people are) the tutorial on how to use it should show up when > people search for recipes. I for one say we should throw out the > connotation of the "blessed apps" release and instead say these are the ones > that the foundation and marketing team are going to brag about by using > google adsense or something like that. Drive traffic to these applications > that follow the rules and are effective and make them more successful. > Agree. Tutorials are important, and people really look for them. They are not that hard to produce and could get us new users. I'm also for freedom, but we need to consider that we can't promote freedom if we don't have new users to convince. We can attract all this people and later surprise them with awesome options :-) In the meanwhile, we need to reach these people by the channels they are using now, for example, youtube. > With GNOME 3.0 we not only have a technical direction, but we have an > opportunity to try to gain access to non-traditional geek markets. Right > now I feel that we're just simply speaking to the same set of people while > using the overall momentum of open source to get new users. But these new > users I suspect are probably people who are just like us in some way. We > need to grow the market and we need to be serious about it. We should get > our technical contributors to buy into the ideas we come up with. > I have that feeling too. I would say the first two ideas are related to a new wgo btw. Does someone know the status of the plone website? I
Re: new foundation website layout
On 3/24/09, Andreas Nilsson wrote: > Hi! > As people seems to like the Foundation folder look and feel, I felt it was > time to update the website as well. > > Here are some sketches: > http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/foundation-website/foundation-website-mockup1.png > http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/foundation-website/foundation-website-mockup2.png > http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/foundation-website/foundation-website-mockup3.png > http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/foundation-website/foundation-website-mockup4.png > http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/foundation-website/foundation-website-mockup5.png > http://www.andreasn.se/diverse/temp/foundation-website/foundation-website-mockup.svg > (source) > Looks great Andreas! :-) My only comment is that perhaps the bottom graphic could be a bit bigger (can't explain, i feel it gets a bit lost), don't know. thanks :) -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: New Project: GNOME YouTube Video Contest
On 3/18/09, Stormy Peters wrote: > Who can help get a website set up to accept and display videos? > Perhaps asking Linux Foundation to share their code or give us a 'channel'? We are not using YouTube (I think I recall something against it)? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Getting ready for 2.26
What about a variation of the famous "harder, better, faster, stronger". Obviously without the harder and the stronger, perhaps something similar in sound. On 3/3/09, Andreas Nilsson wrote: > Vincent Untz wrote: > > > Did people on this list start thinking a bit about how to promote GNOME > > 2.26? Are there new stuff that we could do to celebrate this release? > > > > > I've seen some stuff here and there related to performance like Behdad's > log in performance, Tomboy cutting 10 megs on startup etc. (I'm sure people > can think of others). > If I get some good numbers, I can put together some nice looking diagrams > of this (I think we had some of those in a earlier release too). > > > Oh, yeah, we also need an image for the website front page. Is anyone > > working on this? > > > > > Not yet, but as soon as we come up with a theme, we can fix this. > - Andreas > > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Hello there
You can check the pdf here: http://live.gnome.org/GUADEC/2008/Slides?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=marketing_gtk_Guadec2008.pdf On 1/21/09, Ken VanDine wrote: > I missed your talk, so can you describe your ideas? > > Thanks, > > --Ken > > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 6:07 AM, Alberto Ruiz wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > Alberto Ruiz here, just got subscribed to the mailing list. > > > > As some of you may know, I did a talk on Marketing Gtk+ (as in GNOME > > the platform) last GUADEC (which, by the way, had pretty much no > > attendance due to being scheduled for the last slot of the last day). > > I haven't done much work around what I preached, but complaining so > > far, so I've recently switched to JFDI mode recently. > > > > Proposing marketing strategies to the community and not being part of > > the marketing mailing list was sort of a contradiction, but at the > > time I started I was in too many development mailing list. So here I > > am. > > > > I'm quite interested in the marketing side on all regarding our > > development platform rather than the desktop itself. I don't know > > what's being the trend around here so far so get ready to get a lot of > > questions from me on the ongoing discussions (if there are any). > > > > Well, I guess that's all for a presentation. > > > > -- > > Un saludo, > > Alberto Ruiz > > -- > > marketing-list mailing list > > marketing-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > > > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Hello there
On 1/21/09, Alberto Ruiz wrote: > Hi there, > > Alberto Ruiz here, just got subscribed to the mailing list. > Great! :). We can start to discuss stuff you have in mind if you want ;) -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME products in FSF Store
On 10/24/08, Lucas Rocha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks everyone for the comments and suggestions! > > Mairin, the polo t-shirt idea is definitely something we can work on > in the next future (I'll check with the FSF if that's possible now). > > Diego, I agree that we should use the blank space. I don't have the > skills to update the svg. Do you have the source svg image of your > idea? > It's here: http://www.gnome.org/~diegoe/stuff/stickers.svg Just update the colors, they are in CMYK for offset friendliness and have a double dotted line so they can be cut without blank space around. Note for visitors from the future: mail me if you want the svg and i already remove it from my gnome.org. see ya -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME products in FSF Store
Hey On 10/21/08, Lucas Rocha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > So, we got this opportunity to sell some GNOME products in the FSF > online store [1]. Our idea is to initially offer t-shirts and > stickers. For the t-shirts, Andreas kindly created this design of a > rock-ey GNOME t-shirt [2]. For the stickers, we'll reuse the same > design of the ones distributed in the last GUADEC [3]. > > Any comments or suggestions on the design? > Just two things: - In the t-shirt, I think the design could be a bit lower in the chest, just a bit. - In the stickers, there's a blank space that means dead trees, as reference we did this recently: http://www.gnome.org/~diegoe/stuff/diegoe-propuesta.png Perhaps we can fit the computer+gnome=love in the top right where there's now blank space. greetings -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [g-a-devel] GNOME Accessibility presentation - contribution to stock GNOME presentations
On 9/30/08, Willie Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey All: > > Here's some quick examples of what I was thinking about for demos of the > accessibility support for GNOME. The target audience currently is > unfortunately only for sighted people who can hear (sorry - it's my > first real experiment with recordmydesktop), and these are geared more > towards the short "elevator pitch" demo that you'd give at a talk rather > than intending to be a complete tutorial. > > http://master.gnome.org/~wwalker/dwell-click.avi > http://master.gnome.org/~wwalker/theming.avi > http://master.gnome.org/~wwalker/keyboard-enhancements.avi > http://master.gnome.org/~wwalker/enable-a11y.avi > > I'm kind of proud of the creative use of the cheese application in the > keyboard-enhancements video. ;-) These were just quick unscripted > demos that I rattled off kind of fast, so there's definitely room for > improvement. I wish, for example, I knew how to edit/splice things so I > didn't have to do them in one take. > > Let me know what you think. If you like them, I can do more for GOK, > Dasher, and Orca. I can also redo these make them a little more > professional if people think these are useful. Remember, these are just > for giving you an idea of what's available and not meant to be > instructional videos. > Will, this are really cool videos! I didn't knew we had such cool stuff in GNOME :-), congrats and thanks to everyone in the a11y team. I say +1 to make more of this kind of videos, possibly of all our applications showing the cool stuff we like about them, it could even be a good way to get more people involved, perhaps a "record and show us what you like most of GNOME" campaign, with tshirts or mugs for the best 10 videos, what do you think?. IIRC, someone did videos on how to do a patch also. videos.gnome.org anyone ;)? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: gnome.org (WAS: Re: Software Freedom Day)
On 9/26/08, Stormy Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hylke Bons just offered to help with this over on the gnome-web-list. I > think it makes sense for this conversation to happen over there with review > on the marketing list. > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-web-list/2008-September/msg00025.html > Before I forget, check this link with mockups of wgo by Mairin Duffy, she made them like 2 years ago, but I like them a lot: http://mihmo.livejournal.com/34329.html Please forward it to the web list, right now I'm in a hurry to go look for my suscription options and etc, just didn't want to forget about sending the link :) -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME 2.24 press release
Hey Stormy, On 9/24/08, Stormy Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > An instant messaging tool (Empathy) based on Telepathy. (Why is this better > than other IM clients? Or why would I choose to use this one?) Empathy is also a set of widgets and libraries that will allow GNOME apps to for example integrate a buddy list in an action, like the cool example of playing tetris via jabber: http://alban.apinc.org/blog/2007/10/24/97-gtetrinet-video-with-telepathy-and-tubes/ Other things like sharing a text doc and similar could be done, that page has a video for text sharing iirc, but not really visually cool :-). > Time/activity tracking. > Audio video conferencing (Ekiga) > File management improvements: compact view, tabs, better support for USB > drives > Deskbar plug-ins: calculator, google search, Twitter/identica, Yahoo, > Wikipedia > Screen resolution: easier control of multiple monitors I would add 'easier control of multiple monitors, allowing you to easily hook up your computer to projectors or simply add an extra screen', I used this over the weekend to give a talk about the new stuff in gnome 2.24 and I was impressed on how it just worked :). Great stuff, made me proud of my desktop :P. > Sound themes based on Freedesktop.org specs which allows you do things like > get your alerts even when using multimedia apps > Digital TV improvements: multiple tuners, (remote) text subtitling, high > resolution YouTube videos In the video player (so this is not confused with 'ah! so now i can see videos in my browser with GNOME?') > Contest for backgrounds (People always like to hear about contests and this > one had pretty results so we could call it out at the end as a story.) > Continued accessibility improvements > Continued developer improvements Perhaps you could connect this to the preparations for gtk+ 3.0, something like 'Continued developer improvements and the first steps preparing the road for the future of the GTK+ toolkit', maybe it sounds a bit like vapour, what do you think? Adding to Brian's comment, you could link this idea with the improvements in gnome-session and gnome-settings-daemon as work 'to allow better future development of new features' or something like that, though I recognize my choose of words is quite buzzy and vapourware like :-). Diego -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: gnome.org (WAS: Re: Software Freedom Day)
On 9/24/08, Stormy Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Speaking of content on gnome.org ... I heard that there were people working > on it but I'm not clear what's being worked on. I saw the new image (and > liked it) but I think we could also use a site review. Is anything like that > going on? If not, I will kick it off ... > If you mean the website infra running behind www.gnome.org, I understand that the proposed migration to use Plone (a CMS made with Python) was delayed because the main 'tech' guy doing it had time constraints. Is Quim still the contact person for this? I lost track of it long time ago... in any case, it would be a good time to finish that topic once and for all, editing HTML and an automake source is not precisely practical. Anyone? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME 2.24.0 promotion
On 9/11/08, Stormy Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can somebody fill me in on what the usual stuff is? > Release notes, a nice image in www.gnome.org and the usual emails to the lists (at least that's the usual stuff for me). Btw, time ago I remember GNOME release parties being listed on a wiki page, really long ago, perhaps that would be nice to bring back? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Revamping Friends of GNOME: help with web page text
On 9/4/08, Brian Cameron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Andreas: > > I really like the photo of the one-laptop-per-child program and > the text. I don't know how much room you have in the caption, but > it would be better to highlight the following: > > - GNOME is free, which makes it the perfect desktop choice for > humanitarian efforts, such as the one-laptop-per-child program > which require an affordable desktop. I confess I haven't read carefully every word in the text, but as I read your email I thought that a nice thing to add would be something like: "Because GNOME is free, every contribution put into GNOME is available to everyone" Ok, not the best wording, but I got the idea from a quick flashback to those IBM videos of "linux kid" where the narrator says "what he learns we all learn, what he knows we all benefit from". I think it's a nice idea we might want to take. greetings -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME files disabled
Hi Stormy On 9/4/08, Stormy Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does somebody on the list have the right access to do this? And the time to > do this? > I just did[0], I disabled /softwaremap/ and commented the reference to Get More Software in /community/. For your future reference, all gnome webs are maintained in SVN, usually named "project"-web or likely, for example planet-web or gnomebr-web, etc. You only need an svn account to modify them. Thanks for the heads up :-). In other light of this same topic, shall we worry about the absence of a site like gnomefiles.org? greetings 0 - http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnomeweb-wml?view=revision&revision=6291 -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Revamping Friends of GNOME: help with web page text
On 8/5/08, Stormy Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I definitely like your idea of listing concrete goals. I think we > should list specific things we want funding for and we should follow > up with what we spent it on, but we shouldn't actually earmark it. As > a nonprofit, if you earmark it, if plans change, you can't use that > money for anything else. > Maybe a mention about the chance of donating stuff that is not money would impulse some people to help, like a venue for meetings or conferences. But it might be hard to take track of that I guess. Regarding the website, one thing I didn't see last week that I happened to browse it is images for the gifts. If I'm offered a mug but I have no clue how the mug is, well that makes me doubt. Same, if I'm offered a mug and I see that I get a cooler tshirt for 3 more USD, then I would sign up for that bigger price. I share the idea of making some mentions of events made with Foundation's sponsorship to show possible donators and already donators that the money is being used effectively. greetings Diego -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: "Hack-fest" in Brazil
Hey! On 8/1/08, Jonh Wendell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, folks. > > As you can see at [1], I'll be talking about GNOME in a regional > conference. > > Besides the talk, there will be 'hack fest', where anyone can sit around > with their laptop (or use one provided by organization) and work on > GNOME development. I will be their 'mentor', to guide them on how to get > things done. > > What do you guys suggest for such a job? > If they are beginners, you can teach them the basics on how to get the development code and/or install dev packages. One thing that I deeply love is apt-get build-dep for example, that's stuff you don't just read on top of the ubuntu cd. Some points I suggest you in that topic: - svn is just svn co, svn up, svn di. Nothing else, that simple, don't botter learning version control, it will come with time. - ./autogen.sh --prefix=`pwd`/build is a time saver. Another thing, you can get them to file bugs if they are not coders. It's almost a discipline to report instead of scream in pain and rage when you hit bugs. If they are coders, you can get them to play around with the python extensibility of epiphany, eog, totem. It's always cool for people to know that they can modify their already running apps. I guess the gnome-love bug list would be your best option to catch easy bugs... or try them to find a small problem and fix it. You can then ping maintainers on IRC. No more ideas, breakfast time. greetings -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Gnomefiles.org
On 6/18/08, Eugenia Loli-Queru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gnomefiles.org, the only GTK-only software repository out there, is dying: > http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2008/06/16/the-slow-death-of-gnomefiles/ > I need your help. > My humble opinion is that if there's no issue regarding content or tech details, we should: - update the text $somewhere (please remind us Eugenia) to correctly state what's to be found in gf.o - put a promo link somewhere in gnome.org (maybe a banner?) I can't think right now of ways to enhance interaction between both sides, but that's because it's 1 AM here, and I'm a bit sick. If there's some problem with this, or if you have any other ideas, please raise your hand and mail your opinion. greetings everyone, Diego -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Mug Update
On 3/17/08, Jeff Waugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I wouldn't feel that compelled unless I see the distinguished design on > > the FoG page at least. And if going down that route, maybe the FoG design > > should have some text about it or something. > > > A little sentence around the base or rim, > > "I am a Friend of GNOME, and I believe that Software Freedom is not just > for geeks!" > I became a Friend of GNOME and all I got was this lousy mug. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Help with screenshots!
On 3/10/08, Claude Paroz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Le lundi 10 mars 2008 à 17:26 +0100, Andreas Nilsson a écrit : > > > Hi all! > > A lot screenshots are now up in the 2.22 release notes, but we're still > > missing some screenshots. > > I just have a live cd running gutsy alpha6, so I'm unable to get these > > working. :( > > To make them look as sweet as possible, you should be running Clearlooks > > in combination with gnome-icon-theme and the default gnome background [1] > > > > For section 3.3: > > Some cool screenshot showing the information bar when you insert > > removable media. > > > > For section 3.4: > > It would be nice to show off the youtube plugin here. > > > > For section 5.2 > > A screenshot showing off that you can get a connection via your mobile > > phone (this is what GPRS is, right?) > > > The release-notes should be considered as freezed now. Please take into > account that translators also need time to do their job correctly. > > Thanks for your understanding. > How do you expect me to ever get a funny postcard then? -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: t-shirt on hackerheads
On 1/31/08, Dave Neary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > Luis Villa wrote: > > Legally-speaking, once we've registered it, as long as we defend it, > > it doesn't matter if we've given them 'hints'- it is their > > responsibility to do the research before reusing. > > A related note: Apple, not noted for their reluctance to defend their > marks, never include (TM) or (R) in their branding for aesthetic reasons. > > (TM) and (R) also send a message about the kind of organisation we are > which I'd rather avoid. > And on another note, if someone's stealing our logo he's not gonna be refrained because of the TM, he's just gonna delete it :). I don't think the TM or R are must haves, I agree with others that it would look a lot more aesthetic and gnomey to not include it. greetings Diego -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
