[Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo]
I'm catching up on my queue from all of the travel I've had, and one of the items that was on my to do list was to follow up on this trademark request. I (and the board) think in this instance the trademark request is something that the marketing team should weigh in on. Check out the attached image for the proposed sticker. While I like the sticker a lot and think it's well designed, it maybe touches on some bigger questions about the GNOME brand and how we want to market ourselves. This says "Powered by GNOME" and I know that some folks wanted us to shy away from using terms like that or "GNOME Technologies", though I think it's also necessary to provide ways for folks to say that there are GNOME components involved in their products to help people understand how useful GNOME is. Allan Day and I had a long discussion about some issues connected to this at FOSDEM (with Dave Neary and Emily Gonyer too) but it was impossible to come to any quick conclusions there. This is a narrower request, so maybe we don't need to tackle the huge questions now, but what do you think about this? I think it's kind of a neat way of handling our problem (though I'd of course ask them to include the "TM", etc to comply with our policy - so don't worry about that part). thanks! karen Original Message Subject: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo From:"i...@nixstickers.com" Date:Mon, March 26, 2012 8:14 am To: licens...@gnome.org -- Hi, Concerning the GNOME trademark policy: https://live.gnome.org/Foundation/LicensingGuidelines I'm Teemu Otala from NixStickers.com (site still under construction). NixStickers.com will be a webshop where one can purchase reasonable priced OpenSource related stickers; *nix like distros, software (Apache, Tomcat, etc) and programming languages (Python, Perl, etc). The selection will depend on the responses/approvals from the trademark/logo owners. Estimated price for a sticker is around 0.70-1 euros at the moment. The idea is to raise the awareness of OpenSource software with fashionable stickers that developers and users can use to decorate their hardware. The site is not non-profit, but it is not really about making money either as this site is more of a hobby for me. I would like to request your permission to use GNOME logo and perhaps text GNOME (with R) on a sticker - see attached file for early draft version. Could you please respond if this request can be approved even partially, and if so what should be changed in the sticker design. The original idea is to get these ready for LinuxTag2012 in Berlin, I would like to visit GNOME stand to give out some free GNOME stickers. Best Regards, Teemu Otala +358-40-841 6966 -- http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/board-list >From time to time confidential and sensitive information will be discussed on this mailing list. Please take care to mark confidential information as confidential, and do not redistribute this information without permission.<>-- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo]
On Mon, 2012-04-16 at 23:43 -0400, Karen Sandler wrote: > I'm catching up on my queue from all of the travel I've had, and one of > the items that was on my to do list was to follow up on this trademark > request. > > I (and the board) think in this instance the trademark request is > something that the marketing team should weigh in on. Check out the > attached image for the proposed sticker. While I like the sticker a lot > and think it's well designed, it maybe touches on some bigger questions > about the GNOME brand and how we want to market ourselves. > > This says "Powered by GNOME" and I know that some folks wanted us to shy > away from using terms like that or "GNOME Technologies", though I think > it's also necessary to provide ways for folks to say that there are GNOME > components involved in their products to help people understand how useful > GNOME is. > > Allan Day and I had a long discussion about some issues connected to this > at FOSDEM (with Dave Neary and Emily Gonyer too) but it was impossible to > come to any quick conclusions there. > > This is a narrower request, so maybe we don't need to tackle the huge > questions now, but what do you think about this? > > I think it's kind of a neat way of handling our problem (though I'd of > course ask them to include the "TM", etc to comply with our policy - so > don't worry about that part). > > thanks! > karen > At openSUSE, we have a similar system label that we distribute at FOSS events. They're quite popular as people love to put them over the Windows system label that comes with most PCs. I don't see a problem with GNOME having a similar label. I also have a system label with Tux Penguin on it. I'm personally looking forward to getting my hands on a GNOME system label once its available. I say go for it and I hope at some point GNOME Foundation also includes these labels in the GNOME booth kit. It's relatively inexpensive to print these rolls in bulk and easy to transport to events. Bryen > > Original Message > Subject: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo > From:"i...@nixstickers.com" > Date:Mon, March 26, 2012 8:14 am > To: licens...@gnome.org > -- > > Hi, > > Concerning the GNOME trademark policy: > https://live.gnome.org/Foundation/LicensingGuidelines > > I'm Teemu Otala from NixStickers.com (site still under construction). > NixStickers.com will be a webshop where one can purchase reasonable priced > OpenSource related stickers; *nix like distros, software (Apache, Tomcat, > etc) and programming languages (Python, Perl, etc). The selection will > depend on the responses/approvals from the trademark/logo owners. > Estimated price for a sticker is around 0.70-1 euros at the moment. > The idea is to raise the awareness of OpenSource software with fashionable > stickers that developers and users can use to decorate their hardware. > The site is not non-profit, but it is not really about making money either > as this site is more of a hobby for me. > > I would like to request your permission to use GNOME logo and perhaps text > GNOME (with R) on a sticker - see attached file for early draft version. > Could you please respond if this request can be approved even partially, > and if so what should be changed in the sticker design. > > The original idea is to get these ready for LinuxTag2012 in Berlin, I > would like to visit GNOME stand to give out some free GNOME stickers. > > Best Regards, > > Teemu Otala > +358-40-841 6966 -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo]
Hi, On 04/17/2012 05:43 AM, Karen Sandler wrote: This says "Powered by GNOME" and I know that some folks wanted us to shy away from using terms like that or "GNOME Technologies", though I think it's also necessary to provide ways for folks to say that there are GNOME components involved in their products to help people understand how useful GNOME is. Personally I have no issues with "Powered by GNOME" - the stickers are destined to be stuck to a laptop after all, not a GNOME derivative. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo]
On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 18:12 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: > Hi, > > On 04/17/2012 05:43 AM, Karen Sandler wrote: > > This says "Powered by GNOME" and I know that some folks wanted us to shy > > away from using terms like that or "GNOME Technologies", though I think > > it's also necessary to provide ways for folks to say that there are GNOME > > components involved in their products to help people understand how useful > > GNOME is. > > Personally I have no issues with "Powered by GNOME" - the stickers are > destined to be stuck to a laptop after all, not a GNOME derivative. > > Cheers, > Dave. Just out of curiosity, why do some people have issues with "powered by GNOME" phrase? Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo]
I think its good to have a sticker saying powered by GNOME and really that's shockin that folks don't like that,and about the approval i think it is approved by design team On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Bryen M Yunashko wrote: > On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 18:12 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On 04/17/2012 05:43 AM, Karen Sandler wrote: >> > This says "Powered by GNOME" and I know that some folks wanted us to shy >> > away from using terms like that or "GNOME Technologies", though I think >> > it's also necessary to provide ways for folks to say that there are GNOME >> > components involved in their products to help people understand how useful >> > GNOME is. >> >> Personally I have no issues with "Powered by GNOME" - the stickers are >> destined to be stuck to a laptop after all, not a GNOME derivative. >> >> Cheers, >> Dave. > > Just out of curiosity, why do some people have issues with "powered by > GNOME" phrase? > > Bryen > > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Akshay vyas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo]
- Mensaje original - > De: Bryen M Yunashko > Para: marketing-list@gnome.org > CC: > Enviado: Martes 17 de abril de 2012 18:17 > Asunto: Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME > logo] > > On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 18:12 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On 04/17/2012 05:43 AM, Karen Sandler wrote: >> > This says "Powered by GNOME" and I know that some folks > wanted us to shy >> > away from using terms like that or "GNOME Technologies", > though I think >> > it's also necessary to provide ways for folks to say that there > are GNOME >> > components involved in their products to help people understand how > useful >> > GNOME is. >> >> Personally I have no issues with "Powered by GNOME" - the > stickers are >> destined to be stuck to a laptop after all, not a GNOME derivative. I think there is some confusion about what GNOME is. GNOME creates a complete Free Desktop solution. The GNOME Project also creates several software components in order to get this solution. "Powered by GNOME" can also be associated to other Desktop solutions that, though they use GNOME components, are not GNOME ( XFCE and Unity for example). The fact another projects choose GNOME components for building their projects is a good thing, even for the GNOME Project, but we want to communicate the whole GNOME experience to the users. As Dave Neary smarly points out, there isn't too much problem with a sticker "Powered by GNOME" because they are supposed to be suck to a laptop, not a GNOME derivative. Cheers, -- Juanjo Marin -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo]
Hi, On 04/17/2012 06:17 PM, Bryen M Yunashko wrote: Just out of curiosity, why do some people have issues with "powered by GNOME" phrase? To put it in perspective; I considered that we were missing an opportunity by not putting Mint on the list of GNOME distributions - Cinnamon is GNOME 3 based, and I thought it would be good to associate the GNOME brand with it. Allan, as I recall, believed that doing so diluted the brand, since Cinnamon is such a heavily modified GNOME 3 experience. So not in the context of stickers. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo]
On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 18:24 +0100, Juanjo Marín wrote: > > > > - Mensaje original - > > De: Bryen M Yunashko > > Para: marketing-list@gnome.org > > CC: > > Enviado: Martes 17 de abril de 2012 18:17 > > Asunto: Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the > > GNOME logo] > > > > On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 18:12 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> On 04/17/2012 05:43 AM, Karen Sandler wrote: > >> > This says "Powered by GNOME" and I know that some folks > > wanted us to shy > >> > away from using terms like that or "GNOME Technologies", > > though I think > >> > it's also necessary to provide ways for folks to say that there > > are GNOME > >> > components involved in their products to help people understand how > > useful > >> > GNOME is. > >> > >> Personally I have no issues with "Powered by GNOME" - the > > stickers are > >> destined to be stuck to a laptop after all, not a GNOME derivative. > > > I think there is some confusion about what GNOME is. GNOME creates > a complete Free Desktop solution. The GNOME Project also creates several > software components in order to get this solution. "Powered by GNOME" > can also be associated to other Desktop solutions that, though they > use GNOME components, are not GNOME ( XFCE and Unity for example). > The fact another projects choose GNOME components for building their > projects is a good thing, even for the GNOME Project, but we want to > communicate the whole GNOME experience to the users. > > As Dave Neary smarly points out, there isn't too much problem with a > sticker "Powered by GNOME" because they are supposed to be suck to a > laptop, not a GNOME derivative. > > Cheers, > > -- Juanjo Marin > Even if a GNOME derivative wanted to say "powered by GNOME" why would that be a bad thing? We get the benefit of increased mindshre where our GNOME logo appears in more places. If those derivatives choose to pay homage to GNOME by using such a phrase, more power to them. :-) Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo]
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Bryen M Yunashko wrote: > On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 18:24 +0100, Juanjo Marín wrote: > > > > > > > > - Mensaje original - > > > De: Bryen M Yunashko > > > Para: marketing-list@gnome.org > > > CC: > > > Enviado: Martes 17 de abril de 2012 18:17 > > > Asunto: Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the > GNOME logo] > > > > > > On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 18:12 +0200, Dave Neary wrote: > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> On 04/17/2012 05:43 AM, Karen Sandler wrote: > > >> > This says "Powered by GNOME" and I know that some folks > > > wanted us to shy > > >> > away from using terms like that or "GNOME Technologies", > > > though I think > > >> > it's also necessary to provide ways for folks to say that there > > > are GNOME > > >> > components involved in their products to help people understand how > > > useful > > >> > GNOME is. > > >> > > >> Personally I have no issues with "Powered by GNOME" - the > > > stickers are > > >> destined to be stuck to a laptop after all, not a GNOME derivative. > > > > > > I think there is some confusion about what GNOME is. GNOME creates > > a complete Free Desktop solution. The GNOME Project also creates several > > software components in order to get this solution. "Powered by GNOME" > > can also be associated to other Desktop solutions that, though they > > use GNOME components, are not GNOME ( XFCE and Unity for example). > > The fact another projects choose GNOME components for building their > > projects is a good thing, even for the GNOME Project, but we want to > > communicate the whole GNOME experience to the users. > > > > As Dave Neary smarly points out, there isn't too much problem with a > > sticker "Powered by GNOME" because they are supposed to be suck to a > > laptop, not a GNOME derivative. > > > > Cheers, > > > > -- Juanjo Marin > > > > Even if a GNOME derivative wanted to say "powered by GNOME" why would > that be a bad thing? We get the benefit of increased mindshre where our > GNOME logo appears in more places. If those derivatives choose to pay > homage to GNOME by using such a phrase, more power to them. :-) > > Bryen > > > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > I'm with Bryen - I really don't see how having our name on compuers would in any way be a bad thing. I keep looking for someplace with reasonable linux stickers - I really want a tux & something that says GNOME & not just the logo. Actually now that I've checked their site I'll probably end up buying some of theris:) Emily -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo]
> > De: Emily Gonyer >Para: a11yro...@bryen.com >CC: Juanjo Marín ; "marketing-list@gnome.org" > >Enviado: Martes 17 de abril de 2012 19:53 >Asunto: Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME >logo] > > >> >>Even if a GNOME derivative wanted to say "powered by GNOME" why would >>that be a bad thing? We get the benefit of increased mindshre where our >>GNOME logo appears in more places. If those derivatives choose to pay >>homage to GNOME by using such a phrase, more power to them. :-) >> >>Bryen >> >> >> >>-- >>marketing-list mailing list >>marketing-list@gnome.org >>http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list >> >I'm with Bryen - I really don't see how having our name on compuers would in >any way be a bad thing. I keep looking for someplace with reasonable linux >stickers - I really want a tux & something that says GNOME & not just the >logo. Actually now that I've checked their site I'll probably end up buying >some of theris:) > > Well, so far, all we agree to go with the stickers :-) The "cons" of the GNOME and derivatives debate: There are many people out there confused out there about what GNOME, GNOME.3, GNOME shell, Unity, Unity 3D, Unity 2D, GNOME classics, fallback mode, CInnamon, Mate, GNOME panel, etc are. Cheers, -- Juanjo Marin -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo]
On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 19:03 +0100, Juanjo Marín wrote: > > > > > > > > De: Emily Gonyer > >Para: a11yro...@bryen.com > >CC: Juanjo Marín ; "marketing-list@gnome.org" > > > >Enviado: Martes 17 de abril de 2012 19:53 > >Asunto: Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME > >logo] > > > > > >> > >>Even if a GNOME derivative wanted to say "powered by GNOME" why would > >>that be a bad thing? We get the benefit of increased mindshre where our > >>GNOME logo appears in more places. If those derivatives choose to pay > >>homage to GNOME by using such a phrase, more power to them. :-) > >> > >>Bryen > >> > >> > >> > >>-- > >>marketing-list mailing list > >>marketing-list@gnome.org > >>http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > >> > >I'm with Bryen - I really don't see how having our name on compuers would in > >any way be a bad thing. I keep looking for someplace with reasonable linux > >stickers - I really want a tux & something that says GNOME & not just the > >logo. Actually now that I've checked their site I'll probably end up buying > >some of theris:) > > > > > > > Well, so far, all we agree to go with the stickers :-) > > The "cons" of the GNOME and derivatives debate: There are many people out > there confused out there about what GNOME, GNOME.3, GNOME shell, Unity, Unity > 3D, Unity 2D, GNOME classics, fallback mode, CInnamon, Mate, GNOME panel, etc > are. > > > Cheers, > > -- Juanjo Marin > I'm confused about what many of the things are on OSX, Windows, KDE, etc. because I don't use them. Its quite natural for people to not understand what all these names mean when they're not actually using them. Desktops have many components. That's the way it is and always will be. But "mindshare" is a different thing from "marketshare." Mindshare speaks to branding familiarity. And if you see all those things you listed above with "powered by GNOME" that only helps us, not hurt us as it increases our mindshare. People see GNOME name no matter where. You can kind of make a similiar analogy to how Ubuntu does this. I'm sure a noumber of us have shown our non-Ubuntu desktop to some person to introduce them to another "Linux" and they go "Oh yea, that's Ubuntu" and we have a bit of a challenge to explain to them... no this desktop isn't Ubuntu, its $Linux. But mindshare is there, people equate in their mind that when they see $Linux, they see Ubuntu. (Not bashing Ubuntu here.) Wouldn't we want people to see derivatives of GNOME and still associate the name "GNOME" in their minds no matter what? Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo]
Hi Dave Neary about mint,i suggested that too but i think there is still sm confusion about mint. Linux Mint is full GNOME 3.0 i don't really think that MInt is GNOME derivative because MGSE is just an extension to GNOME plus some extra extensions provided by Linux Mint that can be removed from Gnome tweak tool in order to get full GNOME 3.0 On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Bryen M Yunashko wrote: > On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 19:03 +0100, Juanjo Marín wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> > De: Emily Gonyer >> >Para: a11yro...@bryen.com >> >CC: Juanjo Marín ; "marketing-list@gnome.org" >> > >> >Enviado: Martes 17 de abril de 2012 19:53 >> >Asunto: Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the >> >GNOME logo] >> > >> > >> >> >> >>Even if a GNOME derivative wanted to say "powered by GNOME" why would >> >>that be a bad thing? We get the benefit of increased mindshre where our >> >>GNOME logo appears in more places. If those derivatives choose to pay >> >>homage to GNOME by using such a phrase, more power to them. :-) >> >> >> >>Bryen >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-- >> >>marketing-list mailing list >> >>marketing-list@gnome.org >> >>http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list >> >> >> >I'm with Bryen - I really don't see how having our name on compuers would >> >in any way be a bad thing. I keep looking for someplace with reasonable >> >linux stickers - I really want a tux & something that says GNOME & not >> >just the logo. Actually now that I've checked their site I'll probably end >> >up buying some of theris:) >> > >> > >> >> >> Well, so far, all we agree to go with the stickers :-) >> >> The "cons" of the GNOME and derivatives debate: There are many people out >> there confused out there about what GNOME, GNOME.3, GNOME shell, Unity, >> Unity 3D, Unity 2D, GNOME classics, fallback mode, CInnamon, Mate, GNOME >> panel, etc are. >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> -- Juanjo Marin >> > > I'm confused about what many of the things are on OSX, Windows, KDE, > etc. because I don't use them. Its quite natural for people to not > understand what all these names mean when they're not actually using > them. Desktops have many components. That's the way it is and always > will be. > > But "mindshare" is a different thing from "marketshare." Mindshare > speaks to branding familiarity. And if you see all those things you > listed above with "powered by GNOME" that only helps us, not hurt us as > it increases our mindshare. People see GNOME name no matter where. > > You can kind of make a similiar analogy to how Ubuntu does this. I'm > sure a noumber of us have shown our non-Ubuntu desktop to some person to > introduce them to another "Linux" and they go "Oh yea, that's Ubuntu" > and we have a bit of a challenge to explain to them... no this desktop > isn't Ubuntu, its $Linux. But mindshare is there, people equate in > their mind that when they see $Linux, they see Ubuntu. (Not bashing > Ubuntu here.) > > Wouldn't we want people to see derivatives of GNOME and still associate > the name "GNOME" in their minds no matter what? > > Bryen > > -- > marketing-list mailing list > marketing-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Akshay vyas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo]
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Akshay Vyas wrote: > Hi > > Dave Neary > > about mint,i suggested that too but i think there is still sm > confusion about mint. > Linux Mint is full GNOME 3.0 i don't really think that MInt is GNOME > derivative because > MGSE is just an extension to GNOME plus some extra extensions provided > by Linux Mint that can be removed from Gnome tweak tool in order to > get full GNOME 3.0 > > Now that I'm feeling a little better.. let me add some comments: Cinnamon isn't really GNOME 3, it's GNOME 3 made up to act like GNOME 2. Deisgn-wise it is going backwards. Don't get me wrong, I think Clem and others have done a great job in accomplishing their goal and commend them for it. It shows off the power of GNOME 3 extensions and what it can do. If consider what we as a project want to accomplish and where we want to go under those auspices then Cinnamon doesn't quite fit the criteria. I would definitely use Cinnamon as a case example of how powerful GNOME 3 that you can actually implement GNOME 2 or even XFCE if you wanted to. Bryen mentions this: > Wouldn't we want people to see derivatives of GNOME and still associate > the name "GNOME" in their minds no matter what? I guess it depends. The difference between GNOME 2 and GNOME 3 is that GNOME 2 as a windows derivative and thus the experience is somewhat derivative of windows plus some linuxism. GNOME 3 is the first time we're struck out on our own and creating our own experience. The question is centered around how we brand GNOME "Is GNOME the experience or the pieces that make up GNOME?" Allen and others would argue that GNOME is the experience, that's what the design centric path we've taken in GNOME. I think it is an easier argument to argue for the experience than talking about the components. Why? Because we would have to argue what set of components is equivalent to "powered by GNOME". The argument might seem simple until you actually start doing it. There might be maintainers who might object to having their project labeled as "powered by GNOME" because it would feel like we were taking advantage of them. There is also the whole GNU/Linux mess.. In general, we would get bogged own in the specifics. Hopefully I'm making some sense here.. I'm still a little under the weather thanks to this cold.. but I wanted to chime in on this thread. sri > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Bryen M Yunashko > wrote: > > On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 19:03 +0100, Juanjo Marín wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >________________ > >> > De: Emily Gonyer > >> >Para: a11yro...@bryen.com > >> >CC: Juanjo Marín ; "marketing-list@gnome.org" > > >> >Enviado: Martes 17 de abril de 2012 19:53 > >> >Asunto: Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the > GNOME logo] > >> > > >> > > >> >> > >> >>Even if a GNOME derivative wanted to say "powered by GNOME" why would > >> >>that be a bad thing? We get the benefit of increased mindshre where > our > >> >>GNOME logo appears in more places. If those derivatives choose to pay > >> >>homage to GNOME by using such a phrase, more power to them. :-) > >> >> > >> >>Bryen > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>-- > >> >>marketing-list mailing list > >> >>marketing-list@gnome.org > >> >>http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list > >> >> > >> >I'm with Bryen - I really don't see how having our name on compuers > would in any way be a bad thing. I keep looking for someplace with > reasonable linux stickers - I really want a tux & something that says > GNOME & not just the logo. Actually now that I've checked their site I'll > probably end up buying some of theris:) > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> Well, so far, all we agree to go with the stickers :-) > >> > >> The "cons" of the GNOME and derivatives debate: There are many people > out there confused out there about what GNOME, GNOME.3, GNOME shell, Unity, > Unity 3D, Unity 2D, GNOME classics, fallback mode, CInnamon, Mate, GNOME > panel, etc are. > >> > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> -- Juanjo Marin > >> > > > > I'm confused about what many of the things are on OSX, Windows, KDE, > > etc. because I don't use them. Its quite natural for people to not > &g
Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo]
On Tue, 2012-04-17 at 19:23 -0700, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > Why? Because we would have to argue what set of components is > equivalent to "powered by GNOME". The argument might seem simple > until you actually start doing it. There might be maintainers who > might object to having their project labeled as "powered by GNOME" > because it would feel like we were taking advantage of them. There is > also the whole GNU/Linux mess.. Why would there be an argument? I don't think anyone here is assuming that we're going to go around like some Labeling Police to these other projects and insist they include "powered by GNOME" somewhere in their offerings. Its completely up to them to decide whether to have the label or not. If they feel some inner sense of ethical duty to pay homage to GNOME with "powered by GNOME" labeling, awesome. If they choose not to, their right. Bryen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo]
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Bryen M Yunashko wrote: > > If they feel some inner sense of ethical duty to pay homage to GNOME > with "powered by GNOME" labeling, awesome. If they choose not to, their > right. > > I'm okay with this if they want to volunteer doing that. I'm not going to complain. sri > Bryen > > -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
