Re: release notes: first draft
On Sat, 2006-03-11 at 16:56 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 18:28 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: Well done. This is great stuff, and obviously a lot of work. 1. The first page (http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/C/index.html) has a link at the end to the release notes (http://www.gnome.org/start/2.12/notes/) Even with the correct link, it doesn't make much sense for it to link to itself. [snip] This still seems to be the same. I am concerned that, as it is, people will never get to the good stuff. Ah, ignore that. I thought it was linking to itself, not to the 2.12 notes. I guess I shouldn't have tried to read it so quickly. I think I even wrote that myself. Sorry. However, it probably should link to 2.12/ rather than the ugly 2.12/notes directory listing. -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
Le samedi 11 mars 2006 à 10:08 +0100, Vincent Untz a écrit : Hi, Le lundi 06 mars 2006 à 23:57 +0800, Davyd Madeley a écrit : Ok guys and gals. I am announcing a preliminary draft of the release notes for 2.14. We now require proof readers for spelling, grammar and technical correctness. The latest committed version is online at: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/C/index.html I just noticed that two screenshots features some ubuntu-specific changes: + the menu bar on the first page uses System instead of Desktop + the sound pref dialog screenshot in the What's new for users page features a default sound card combo box (added by an ubuntu patch) It seems I forgot to look at the admin section: + the pessulus screenshot features About Ubuntu ;-) + the sabayon screenshot uses System instead of Desktop too I'll look if I can update the screenshots later today if nobody did it before. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
Hi, Op Sat, 11 Mar 2006 14:23:56 -0800, schreef Bob Kashani: Should we update them? We probably should. (...) I couldn't help but notice that the screenshot on the main page has a Firefox icon on the toolbar, and that the screenshot of the Preferred Applications capplet shows Firefox to be the preferred browser. While this is a minor issue, I'd like to propose that at least the latter screenshot is changed to show Epiphany. As can be read elsewhere in the release notes, Epiphany has gained some exciting new functionality in this release, so there is every reason to promote it in our public statements, including screen shots :-) regards, -- Reinout van Schouwen (obviously biased Epiphany team member) -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
Hi, Le lundi 06 mars 2006 à 23:57 +0800, Davyd Madeley a écrit : Ok guys and gals. I am announcing a preliminary draft of the release notes for 2.14. We now require proof readers for spelling, grammar and technical correctness. The latest committed version is online at: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/C/index.html I just noticed that two screenshots features some ubuntu-specific changes: + the menu bar on the first page uses System instead of Desktop + the sound pref dialog screenshot in the What's new for users page features a default sound card combo box (added by an ubuntu patch) Should we update them? Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 18:28 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: Well done. This is great stuff, and obviously a lot of work. 1. The first page (http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/C/index.html) has a link at the end to the release notes (http://www.gnome.org/start/2.12/notes/) Even with the correct link, it doesn't make much sense for it to link to itself. In the past we added a sentence in the middle of the page, before the boring stuff and the learn-more stuff, saying If you are already familiar with GNOME, you might go directly to What's New for Users or use the other navigation links., with a link of What's New for Users. Without this, people often don't realise that there's more to read. They don't see the [Next] link and they think the menu at the right is just another site-wide menu. Then they complain about how the release notes don't contain any information. I guess you were halfway to doing something like that. This still seems to be the same. I am concerned that, as it is, people will never get to the good stuff. -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Sat, 2006-03-11 at 10:08 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: Hi, Le lundi 06 mars 2006 à 23:57 +0800, Davyd Madeley a écrit : Ok guys and gals. I am announcing a preliminary draft of the release notes for 2.14. We now require proof readers for spelling, grammar and technical correctness. The latest committed version is online at: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/C/index.html I just noticed that two screenshots features some ubuntu-specific changes: + the menu bar on the first page uses System instead of Desktop + the sound pref dialog screenshot in the What's new for users page features a default sound card combo box (added by an ubuntu patch) Should we update them? We probably should. I have a screenshot of the sound pref. without the default sound card entry. But I'm not all that great with using gimp to remove the little black bits from the top corners. I'll upload it and hopeful Davyd or someone else can fix it. The other screenshot should probably be replaced too. It might seem a bit odd for some users to see System instead of Desktop. I'll try replacing that one too and again either Davyd or someone else can make adjustments as needed. Bob -- Bob Kashani GARNOME Project http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Sat, 2006-03-11 at 14:23 -0800, Bob Kashani wrote: On Sat, 2006-03-11 at 10:08 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: Hi, Le lundi 06 mars 2006 à 23:57 +0800, Davyd Madeley a écrit : Ok guys and gals. I am announcing a preliminary draft of the release notes for 2.14. We now require proof readers for spelling, grammar and technical correctness. The latest committed version is online at: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/C/index.html I just noticed that two screenshots features some ubuntu-specific changes: + the menu bar on the first page uses System instead of Desktop + the sound pref dialog screenshot in the What's new for users page features a default sound card combo box (added by an ubuntu patch) Should we update them? We probably should. I have a screenshot of the sound pref. without the default sound card entry. But I'm not all that great with using gimp to remove the little black bits from the top corners. I'll upload it and hopeful Davyd or someone else can fix it. The other screenshot should probably be replaced too. It might seem a bit odd for some users to see System instead of Desktop. I'll try replacing that one too and again either Davyd or someone else can make adjustments as needed. I just noticed that my drop shadow settings aren't the same as Davyd's. hrmm...Davyd can you fix that? Do you want me to send you a screenshot without the drop shadow or can you just remove that patch and rebuild? Also, I took this screenshot from within garnome-cvs which uses the tango icon theme by default. Is that ok or should I change it? I haven't messed with the other screenshot that Vincent, mentioned cause I'd like to get confirmation first before changing more images. I would really prefer that you do all the image changes just to keep things consistent. Bob -- Bob Kashani GARNOME Project http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Sat, Mar 11, 2006 at 03:03:30PM -0800, Bob Kashani wrote: We probably should. I have a screenshot of the sound pref. without the default sound card entry. But I'm not all that great with using gimp to remove the little black bits from the top corners. I'll upload it and hopeful Davyd or someone else can fix it. The other screenshot should probably be replaced too. It might seem a bit odd for some users to see System instead of Desktop. I'll try replacing that one too and again either Davyd or someone else can make adjustments as needed. I just noticed that my drop shadow settings aren't the same as Davyd's. hrmm...Davyd can you fix that? Do you want me to send you a screenshot without the drop shadow or can you just remove that patch and rebuild? Also, I took this screenshot from within garnome-cvs which uses the tango icon theme by default. Is that ok or should I change it? I haven't messed with the other screenshot that Vincent, mentioned cause I'd like to get confirmation first before changing more images. I would really prefer that you do all the image changes just to keep things consistent. Send me what you've got. I'll fix them up. One of them was retouched a bit by Garrett, so I'll have to try and work out what filter he applied (it's the System/Desktop one that I'm least sure of, so maybe if I can't get that fixed, no one will notice). --d -- Davyd Madeley http://www.davyd.id.au/ 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Writing the press release for 2.14.0 (was Re: release notes: first draft)
On 3/9/06, Rajiv Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/9/06, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Le lundi 06 mars 2006 à 23:57 +0800, Davyd Madeley a écrit : - Does anyone want to take charge on writing a press release? I am willing to raise my hand again if so required. Did anyone start working on it? Any volunteer from the marketing team? I can probably work on this. Am in beween jobs so should be able to work over the weekend. The only caveat is that my new job starts early next week, so after than I won't have much time. Here is the first stab at the release notes. I have excluded the What is GNOME part, as that is not likely to change that much. The GNOME Project is please to announce the release of the latest version of the GNOME Desktop and Developer Platform, the leading desktop for Linux and Unix operating systems. Version 2.14 improves the usability, power and performance of GNOME in response to user feedback and developer contributions, and includes thousands of changes to refine the easiest and friendliest free software desktop. Some the key new features: * The creation of an admin suite. including a lock down editor, Pessulus, and a user profile editor, Sabayon. * A new search bar, called Deskbar, which can search through local files, programs and contacts as well as on the web * Ekiga, a VOIP client which can now talk SIP, used by Google Talk, Asterisk and others. Ekiga was formerly known as GnomeMeeting * The ability to switch users quickly, without logging off * Even easier configuration * Performance work, making your desktop even snappier. For more detailed information about the great new features of GNOME 2.14, please see the 2.14 release notes at http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/C/index.html To get GNOME 2.14 for your favourite flavour of Linux, BSD, Solaris or Unix, please see our Getting Footware page at http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/footware.shtml Thoughts? Corey -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 23:57 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: Ok guys and gals. I am announcing a preliminary draft of the release notes for 2.14. We now require proof readers for spelling, grammar and technical correctness. The latest committed version is online at: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/C/index.html You can also check out the release notes from CVS: http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnomeweb-wml/www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/docbook/C/ We are using gnome-doc-utils for translation. I hope the translators know how to get all of that working, because I have no idea. Warning, I AM AN AUSTRALIAN, SPELLINGS MAY BE CONSIDERED INCORRECT. My grammar is also pretty appalling. Please send through corrections for these. Feel free to correct minor spelling mistakes yourself. Discussion should happen on list as appropriate or on the IRC channel #release-notes on irc.gnome.org. Way later than I'd hoped to provide this, but I've attached a diff with some small changes. This is strictly copy editing; I didn't touch content. Basically, the diff says this: * I am a religious supporter of the serial comma. Googling for support brought up this very succinct argument: http://www.getitwriteonline.com/archive/021201.htm * The GDP Style Guide says file system. * Shutdown is a noun. Shut down is a verb. * Some compound adjectives needed hyphenating. * Germans capitalize every last noun, but we don't. * Nautilus is referred to everywhere (inclding throughout this document) as the file manager. So a lone reference to the file browser seemed out of place. * A few commas were missing, not just the serial type. This is great work, Davyd. -- Shaun -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 14:05 -0600, Shaun McCance wrote: On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 23:57 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: Ok guys and gals. I am announcing a preliminary draft of the release notes for 2.14. We now require proof readers for spelling, grammar and technical correctness. The latest committed version is online at: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/C/index.html You can also check out the release notes from CVS: http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnomeweb-wml/www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/docbook/C/ We are using gnome-doc-utils for translation. I hope the translators know how to get all of that working, because I have no idea. Warning, I AM AN AUSTRALIAN, SPELLINGS MAY BE CONSIDERED INCORRECT. My grammar is also pretty appalling. Please send through corrections for these. Feel free to correct minor spelling mistakes yourself. Discussion should happen on list as appropriate or on the IRC channel #release-notes on irc.gnome.org. Way later than I'd hoped to provide this, but I've attached a diff with some small changes. This is strictly copy editing; I didn't touch content. Basically, the diff says this: Seems you forgot to add the diff, Shaun... Bob * I am a religious supporter of the serial comma. Googling for support brought up this very succinct argument: http://www.getitwriteonline.com/archive/021201.htm * The GDP Style Guide says file system. * Shutdown is a noun. Shut down is a verb. * Some compound adjectives needed hyphenating. * Germans capitalize every last noun, but we don't. * Nautilus is referred to everywhere (inclding throughout this document) as the file manager. So a lone reference to the file browser seemed out of place. * A few commas were missing, not just the serial type. This is great work, Davyd. -- Shaun -- Bob Kashani GARNOME Project http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 12:32 -0800, Bob Kashani wrote: On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 14:05 -0600, Shaun McCance wrote: On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 23:57 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: Ok guys and gals. I am announcing a preliminary draft of the release notes for 2.14. We now require proof readers for spelling, grammar and technical correctness. The latest committed version is online at: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/C/index.html You can also check out the release notes from CVS: http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnomeweb-wml/www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/docbook/C/ We are using gnome-doc-utils for translation. I hope the translators know how to get all of that working, because I have no idea. Warning, I AM AN AUSTRALIAN, SPELLINGS MAY BE CONSIDERED INCORRECT. My grammar is also pretty appalling. Please send through corrections for these. Feel free to correct minor spelling mistakes yourself. Discussion should happen on list as appropriate or on the IRC channel #release-notes on irc.gnome.org. Way later than I'd hoped to provide this, but I've attached a diff with some small changes. This is strictly copy editing; I didn't touch content. Basically, the diff says this: Seems you forgot to add the diff, Shaun... Well that was silly of me. -- Shaun ? rnotes-shaunm.diff Index: rnadmins.xml === RCS file: /cvs/gnome/gnomeweb-wml/www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/docbook/C/rnadmins.xml,v retrieving revision 1.11 diff -u -r1.11 rnadmins.xml --- rnadmins.xml 10 Mar 2006 05:01:38 - 1.11 +++ rnadmins.xml 10 Mar 2006 19:54:35 - @@ -52,7 +52,7 @@ para Users or groups (???) are placed into profiles which will be used when they log into their GNOME session. This allows an administrator to easily - create multiple profiles and allocate each user separately. Which allows + create multiple profiles and allocate each user separately, which allows users to have different setups based on their job description (e.g. receptionist, data entry clerk, programmer, human resources manager, etc.). /para @@ -93,7 +93,7 @@ Command-line access /para/listitem listitempara -The ability to shutdown or reboot the machine +The ability to shut down or reboot the machine /para/listitem listitempara Access to specific protocols in the web browser Index: rndevelopers.xml === RCS file: /cvs/gnome/gnomeweb-wml/www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/docbook/C/rndevelopers.xml,v retrieving revision 1.11 diff -u -r1.11 rndevelopers.xml --- rndevelopers.xml 10 Mar 2006 05:11:44 - 1.11 +++ rndevelopers.xml 10 Mar 2006 19:54:35 - @@ -10,8 +10,8 @@ para The GNOME 2.14 Developers' Platform provides a stable base for independent software developers to create third-party applications. GNOME and its - platform are licensed to allow the creation of both Free and Proprietary - Software to run on top of GNOME. + platform are licensed to allow the creation of both free and proprietary + software to run on top of GNOME. /para para @@ -27,7 +27,7 @@ As of GLib 2.10, the GSlice allocator replaces the older GMemChunk and GTrashStacks APIs available in GLib. GSlice is very similar to the kernel slab allocator and - allows for fast, memory efficient allocation of small structures (e.g. + allows for fast, memory-efficient allocation of small structures (e.g. GList elements, GtkWindow structures). GSlice also has none of the locking overhead of GMemChunk, which makes it much faster in multithreaded @@ -96,7 +96,7 @@ in this way. /para/listitem listitempara -Session managed applications will not be handled cleanly, ensure that +Session managed applications will not be handled cleanly, so ensure that you pass the option--sm-disable/option flag on your optionExec/option line. /para/listitem Index: rngettinginvolved.xml === RCS file: /cvs/gnome/gnomeweb-wml/www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/docbook/C/rngettinginvolved.xml,v retrieving revision 1.7 diff -u -r1.7 rngettinginvolved.xml --- rngettinginvolved.xml 10 Mar 2006 05:08:44 - 1.7 +++ rngettinginvolved.xml 10 Mar 2006 19:54:35 - @@ -8,11 +8,11 @@ titleGetting Involved/title para - Helping GNOME is a rewarding, satisfying and positive experience. You will + Helping GNOME is a rewarding, satisfying, and positive experience. You will join with hundreds of dedicated enthusiasts from all walks of life and all places on the globe. Skilled and motivated contributors to GNOME may find new doors and opportunities open for them in the form of recognition, - speaking appearances and gainful employment. + speaking appearances, and gainful employment. /para para Index: rnusers.xml
Re: release notes: first draft
On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 14:40 -0600, Shaun McCance wrote: On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 12:32 -0800, Bob Kashani wrote: On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 14:05 -0600, Shaun McCance wrote: On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 23:57 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: Ok guys and gals. I am announcing a preliminary draft of the release notes for 2.14. We now require proof readers for spelling, grammar and technical correctness. The latest committed version is online at: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/C/index.html You can also check out the release notes from CVS: http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnomeweb-wml/www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/docbook/C/ We are using gnome-doc-utils for translation. I hope the translators know how to get all of that working, because I have no idea. Warning, I AM AN AUSTRALIAN, SPELLINGS MAY BE CONSIDERED INCORRECT. My grammar is also pretty appalling. Please send through corrections for these. Feel free to correct minor spelling mistakes yourself. Discussion should happen on list as appropriate or on the IRC channel #release-notes on irc.gnome.org. Way later than I'd hoped to provide this, but I've attached a diff with some small changes. This is strictly copy editing; I didn't touch content. Basically, the diff says this: Seems you forgot to add the diff, Shaun... Well that was silly of me. Applied, thanks. :) Bob -- Bob Kashani GARNOME Project http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
Hi, I didn't mention any specific country, nor the whole world I just said for which no legal plugins are available. which seemed to be the most neutral way of putting it.\ I could go on very long about the quality/benifits of licensed and unlicensed codecs, but I think the strong point here is that it *allows* both for everybody's benefits (nothing *forces* you to download/use them AFAIK). Edward On 3/7/06, Tommi Vainikainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2006-03-07T11:34:25+0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GStreamer 0.10 will also allow users to take advantage of multimedia plugins distributed by 3rd party vendors to offer support for licensed codecs for which no legal plugins are available. These may include support for AC3, WMA, MP3 and more. A licensed, yet freely available, MP3 plugin for GStreamer 0.10 has already been made available by Fluendo, a long-time supporter of GStreamer. For me this seems bit U.S. centric. In many countries (even Western countries) reverse engineering is allowed. In many more countries there are no patents restricting those file formats. Therefore codes/plugins are most likely illegal only in U.S. and some other countries, but not all over the world. -- Tommi Vainikainen -- Edward Hervey Junior developer / Fluendo S.L. http://www.pitivi.org/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Maw, 2006-03-07 at 13:44 +, Edward Hervey wrote: I could go on very long about the quality/benifits of licensed and unlicensed codecs, but I think the strong point here is that it *allows* both for everybody's benefits (nothing *forces* you to download/use them AFAIK). Given the goal of gnome to be a free desktop I think the description take advantage of is misleading. It allows third party vendors to take advantage of users. It allows users to be taken advantage of. And its hardly a feature from a software freedom perspective. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
Hi Alan :) On 3/7/06, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Maw, 2006-03-07 at 13:44 +, Edward Hervey wrote: I could go on very long about the quality/benifits of licensed and unlicensed codecs, but I think the strong point here is that it *allows* both for everybody's benefits (nothing *forces* you to download/use them AFAIK). Given the goal of gnome to be a free desktop I think the description take advantage of is misleading. It allows third party vendors to take advantage of users. It allows users to be taken advantage of. And its hardly a feature from a software freedom perspective. revised version 0.3.a-beta-pre25-coma-7: Gstreamer 0.10 will also give users the possibility to use, where patents apply, multimedia plugins distributed by 3rd party vendors to offer support for licensed codecs for which no legal plugins are available. Does that make more clear the *freedom of choice* offered to users ? We are pushing strongly the support of patent-free formats like theora/vorbis/dirac (for which Fluendo has already put in a lot of efforts and is carrying on with projects like http://schrodinger.sourceforge.net/), unfortunately we are not living in a perfect world :( We ARE for free formats ! Edward -- Edward Hervey Junior developer / Fluendo S.L. http://www.pitivi.org/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
El lun, 06-03-2006 a las 23:57 +0800, Davyd Madeley escribió: Ok guys and gals. I am announcing a preliminary draft of the release notes for 2.14. We now require proof readers for spelling, grammar and technical correctness. Hi Davyd I found this little typo: independant instead of independent at the very beginning of What's New For Developers section. Great job! -- Rodrigo Marcos Fombellida -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
Hey David, overall, very nice job, as always :-) Just a couple of comments : * Regarding the speed improvements of the gnome log viewer, it could be good to specify that the launch times mentioned in the article are when loading a 2.9MB log file. Otherwise, it makes the log viewer looks pretty bad in any situation ;-) * On the time scales in the what's new for developers page, what are the colors for ? (ie the yellow, green, blue etc) Cheers Vincent On 3/6/06, Davyd Madeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok guys and gals. I am announcing a preliminary draft of the release notes for 2.14. We now require proof readers for spelling, grammar and technical correctness. The latest committed version is online at: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/C/index.html You can also check out the release notes from CVS: http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnomeweb-wml/www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/docbook/C/ We are using gnome-doc-utils for translation. I hope the translators know how to get all of that working, because I have no idea. Warning, I AM AN AUSTRALIAN, SPELLINGS MAY BE CONSIDERED INCORRECT. My grammar is also pretty appalling. Please send through corrections for these. Feel free to correct minor spelling mistakes yourself. Discussion should happen on list as appropriate or on the IRC channel #release-notes on irc.gnome.org. Addendum: - If anyone knows the status of the LiveCD, that section requires updating. - Danilo was meant to be providing the i18n stats page, he said he added it, but I can't see where. - Does anyone want to take charge on writing a press release? I am willing to raise my hand again if so required. -- Davyd Madeley http://www.davyd.id.au/ 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA ___ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
Thomas Vander Stichele writes: However, not everyone in the GNOME community necessarily agrees with this. I got *a lot* of requests to add an mp3 recording profile to gnome-media. Historically, I've always refuted these requests because I agree that GNOME should not be endorsing them. I guess that adding this profile is OK. GStreamer command line parameters are not patented. Applications will make it active/displayed only if proper GStreamer module is installed. Profiles can be also bundled with gstreamer-plugins-*. Maybe the best solution. -- Best Regards / S pozdravem, Stanislav Brabec software developer - SuSE CR, s. r. o. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Drahobejlova 27 tel: +420 296 542 382 190 00 Praha 9fax: +420 296 542 374 Czech Republichttp://www.suse.cz/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Maw, 2006-03-07 at 16:37 +, Alan Cox wrote: plugins are not available. The GNOME 2.14 distribution does not itself contain these non-free components. Actually better yet contain or endorse Alan -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
Hi again, On 3/7/06, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Maw, 2006-03-07 at 14:50 +, Edward Hervey wrote: Gstreamer 0.10 will also give users the possibility to use, where patents apply, multimedia plugins distributed by 3rd party vendors to offer support for licensed codecs for which no legal plugins are available. Does that make more clear the *freedom of choice* offered to users ? Thats confusing for other reasons for which no legal plugins are available... (if so how is anyone distributing them) How about A small number of countries permit patents on software and algorithms. This may prevent the distribution or use of some open source plugins in these countries. The GNOME project is strongly opposed to these harmful patent policies but also recognizes that it is important for users to be able to make choices. Therefore Gstreamer 0.10 permits users in these countries to install third-party non-free codecs when open source plugins are not available. The GNOME 2.14 distribution does not itself contain these non-free components. Fine by me, you've got way more experience explaining those issues by me :) Thanks for the rewrite and clarifications, Edward -- Edward Hervey Junior developer / Fluendo S.L. http://www.pitivi.org/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On 2006-03-07T11:34:25+0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GStreamer 0.10 will also allow users to take advantage of multimedia plugins distributed by 3rd party vendors to offer support for licensed codecs for which no legal plugins are available. These may include support for AC3, WMA, MP3 and more. A licensed, yet freely available, MP3 plugin for GStreamer 0.10 has already been made available by Fluendo, a long-time supporter of GStreamer. For me this seems bit U.S. centric. In many countries (even Western countries) reverse engineering is allowed. In many more countries there are no patents restricting those file formats. Therefore codes/plugins are most likely illegal only in U.S. and some other countries, but not all over the world. -- Tommi Vainikainen -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On 3/6/06, Davyd Madeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok guys and gals. I am announcing a preliminary draft of the release notes for 2.14. We now require proof readers for spelling, grammar and technical correctness. I guess I found one: release-notes.xml:42 (...) To learn more about GNOME and the qualities that distinguishes it from (...) Should be qualities that distinguish it (...), it is in plural form. Cheers, -- Pedro de Medeiros - Computer Science - University of Brasília Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Home Page: http://www.nonseq.net Linux User No.: 234250 - ICQ: 2878740 - Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 14:28 -0600, Jonathon Jongsma wrote: On 3/6/06, Davyd Madeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok guys and gals. I am announcing a preliminary draft of the release notes for 2.14. We now require proof readers for spelling, grammar and technical correctness. In the very first paragraph, change: GNOME comprises of both a desktop and developer's platform GNOME comprises both a desktop and... I changed it to GNOME includes both a desktop and developer's platform... Bob -- Bob Kashani GARNOME Project http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 08:31 -0400, Pedro de Medeiros wrote: On 3/6/06, Davyd Madeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok guys and gals. I am announcing a preliminary draft of the release notes for 2.14. We now require proof readers for spelling, grammar and technical correctness. I guess I found one: release-notes.xml:42 (...) To learn more about GNOME and the qualities that distinguishes it from (...) Should be qualities that distinguish it (...), it is in plural form. Good catch. Fixed. :) Bob -- Bob Kashani GARNOME Project http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
Hi, two suggestion if I'm not too late already: 1.) The first sentence is too long: Please stop it after platforms otherwise people with low attention will stop reading right there. 2.) includes sounds strange. Why not just remove it? The paragraph then reads: GNOME 2.14 is the latest version of the GNOME Desktop; a popular, multi-platform desktop environment for Linux™, UNIX™ and other platforms. Based on Free and Open Source Software, GNOME provides all of the common tools computer users have come to expect of a modern computing environment, as well as a flexible and powerful platform for software developers. Cheers, Claus On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:46:51 -0800 Bob Kashani [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 14:28 -0600, Jonathon Jongsma wrote: On 3/6/06, Davyd Madeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok guys and gals. I am announcing a preliminary draft of the release notes for 2.14. We now require proof readers for spelling, grammar and technical correctness. In the very first paragraph, change: GNOME comprises of both a desktop and developer's platform GNOME comprises both a desktop and... I changed it to GNOME includes both a desktop and developer's platform... Bob -- Bob Kashani GARNOME Project http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 23:30 +0100, Claus Schwarm wrote: Hi, two suggestion if I'm not too late already: 1.) The first sentence is too long: Please stop it after platforms otherwise people with low attention will stop reading right there. 2.) includes sounds strange. Why not just remove it? The paragraph then reads: GNOME 2.14 is the latest version of the GNOME Desktop; a popular, multi-platform desktop environment for Linux™, UNIX™ and other platforms. Based on Free and Open Source Software, GNOME provides all of the common tools computer users have come to expect of a modern computing environment, as well as a flexible and powerful platform for software developers. I like this much better. It flows much nicer too. I made the changes. Thanks, Bob -- Bob Kashani GARNOME Project http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Writing the press release for 2.14.0 (was Re: release notes: first draft)
On 3/9/06, Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Le lundi 06 mars 2006 à 23:57 +0800, Davyd Madeley a écrit : - Does anyone want to take charge on writing a press release? I am willing to raise my hand again if so required. Did anyone start working on it? Any volunteer from the marketing team? I can probably work on this. Am in beween jobs so should be able to work over the weekend. The only caveat is that my new job starts early next week, so after than I won't have much time. Rajiv -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 23:57 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: Ok guys and gals. I am announcing a preliminary draft of the release notes for 2.14. We now require proof readers for spelling, grammar and technical correctness. The latest committed version is online at: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/C/index.html You can also check out the release notes from CVS: http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnomeweb-wml/www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/docbook/C/ We are using gnome-doc-utils for translation. I hope the translators know how to get all of that working, because I have no idea. Warning, I AM AN AUSTRALIAN, SPELLINGS MAY BE CONSIDERED INCORRECT. My grammar is also pretty appalling. Please send through corrections for these. Feel free to correct minor spelling mistakes yourself. Discussion should happen on list as appropriate or on the IRC channel #release-notes on irc.gnome.org. Addendum: - If anyone knows the status of the LiveCD, that section requires updating. - Danilo was meant to be providing the i18n stats page, he said he added it, but I can't see where. - Does anyone want to take charge on writing a press release? I am willing to raise my hand again if so required. Danilo, would you mind adding a few screenshots to the rni18n page to show case the internationalize support. Also, what do you think about getting rid of the p tag in the list of languages to condense the list a little? Bob -- Bob Kashani GARNOME Project http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
Hi Bob, Yesterday at 23:41, Bob Kashani wrote: I like this much better. It flows much nicer too. I made the changes. Also note that if you want translated release notes, you'll have to be much more strict about such changes at this time. We are only 5 days from a release, and there are only 3 or 4 translations under-way: http://kvota.net/doc-l10n/by-modules.html#release-notes With Gnome 2.12 we were very successful with translation (24 languages!), but notes were finished two weeks before the release, and stabilised at least a week before release. I think it looked really cool on http://gnome.org/start/2.12/ and it gave an impression of Gnome truly being the international desktop it is :) Cheers, Danilo -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 12:27:32AM +0100, Danilo ??egan wrote: With Gnome 2.12 we were very successful with translation (24 languages!), but notes were finished two weeks before the release, and stabilised at least a week before release. I think it looked really cool on This is basically my fault for sucking really badly. I should stop offering to do things, because I suck. and it gave an impression of Gnome truly being the international desktop it is :) That said, I don't think we had the same amount of focus over the release notes from people with actual English degrees last time. If only we could combine both. I am going to let Bob and Claus finish up with the editing, but I will understand if at GUADEC, any translators want to come up and punch me in the face. --d -- Davyd Madeley http://www.davyd.id.au/ 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On 3/9/06, Davyd Madeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 12:27:32AM +0100, Danilo ??egan wrote: With Gnome 2.12 we were very successful with translation (24 languages!), but notes were finished two weeks before the release, and stabilised at least a week before release. I think it looked really cool on This is basically my fault for sucking really badly. I should stop offering to do things, because I suck. No, no, no -- you're a hero for all the work you do. You've had to handle a lot more work (fewer helping out, among other thigns), plus we got in the way by not getting the module decisions done in a reasonable amount of time. Sorry about that, btw. Thanks for all your rocking work on the release notes. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Fri, 2006-03-10 at 07:35 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 12:27:32AM +0100, Danilo ??egan wrote: With Gnome 2.12 we were very successful with translation (24 languages!), but notes were finished two weeks before the release, and stabilised at least a week before release. I think it looked really cool on This is basically my fault for sucking really badly. I should stop offering to do things, because I suck. and it gave an impression of Gnome truly being the international desktop it is :) That said, I don't think we had the same amount of focus over the release notes from people with actual English degrees last time. If only we could combine both. I am going to let Bob and Claus finish up with the editing, but I will understand if at GUADEC, any translators want to come up and punch me in the face. In general I think that you've done a really good job. Most of the paragraphs are concise and to the point. Not bad for a CS guy. :) I also do understand Danilo's, concerns about translators so we will try and minimize the changes to make it easier for them. I think that overall we're in pretty good shape. Bob -- Bob Kashani GARNOME Project http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
Today at 0:54, Elijah Newren wrote: On 3/9/06, Davyd Madeley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 12:27:32AM +0100, Danilo ??egan wrote: With Gnome 2.12 we were very successful with translation (24 languages!), but notes were finished two weeks before the release, and stabilised at least a week before release. I think it looked really cool on This is basically my fault for sucking really badly. I should stop offering to do things, because I suck. No, no, no -- you're a hero for all the work you do. You've had to handle a lot more work (fewer helping out, among other thigns), plus we got in the way by not getting the module decisions done in a reasonable amount of time. Sorry about that, btw. Thanks for all your rocking work on the release notes. Seconded. (...thinking... damn with that seconded thing) Davyd, you really, really are THE PROMOTER of any new Gnome releases. Your hot previews and work on the release notes is what energizes both us in/around Gnome, and those just looking at it from the outside! Keep it going :) Cheers, Danilo -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
Today at 1:37, Bob Kashani wrote: I am going to let Bob and Claus finish up with the editing, but I will understand if at GUADEC, any translators want to come up and punch me in the face. Not really, if we can negotiate a truce. See below. ;) In general I think that you've done a really good job. Most of the paragraphs are concise and to the point. Not bad for a CS guy. :) I also do understand Danilo's, concerns about translators so we will try and minimize the changes to make it easier for them. For any simple spelling, rewording or similar changes which don't change meaning, can I suggest you use en translation for them (that's what we did last year for some last-minute changes)? That means translations will stay complete and correct without spurious needs to update. Of course, if you do more extensive changes in a paragraph, fix all the small things as well ;) Cheers, Danilo -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 07:29:23 +0100 Quim Gil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Consider linking to http://gnome.org/projects/ instead of gnomefiles.org so we keep users in our website and we prioritise the official GNOME projects. You could add then something like You may find more GNOME related software at linkgnomefiles.org/link. I'd suggest to link to http://www.gnome.org/softwaremap/. We can add http://www.gnome.org/projects there; this way all links related to More software or applications are kept together. Quim, a very small correction to your blog post: the projects page is not 'mine' but Christian Schaller's. And, in fact, it's part of the GNOME pages, so authorship doesn't matter much anyway. Could you change this in your blog, please? That would rock! Cheers, Claus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
Edward Hervey wrote: revised version 0.3.a-beta-pre25-coma-7: Gstreamer 0.10 will also give users the possibility to use, where patents apply, multimedia plugins distributed by 3rd party vendors to offer support for licensed codecs for which no legal plugins are available. Does that make more clear the *freedom of choice* offered to users ? Apart from the freedom issue (which is important), is this actually a new feature for Gnome 2.14? GStreamer 0.8 also used plugins, so surely codec vendors had the same ability to offer plugins back then as with 0.10. Has anything actually changed here other than a vendor (Fluendo) making use of this ability? If not, then this probably isn't appropriate for the release notes. James. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On 3/7/06, James Henstridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edward Hervey wrote: revised version 0.3.a-beta-pre25-coma-7: Gstreamer 0.10 will also give users the possibility to use, where patents apply, multimedia plugins distributed by 3rd party vendors to offer support for licensed codecs for which no legal plugins are available. Does that make more clear the *freedom of choice* offered to users ? Apart from the freedom issue (which is important), is this actually a new feature for Gnome 2.14? GStreamer 0.8 also used plugins, so surely codec vendors had the same ability to offer plugins back then as with 0.10. Has anything actually changed here other than a vendor (Fluendo) making use of this ability? If not, then this probably isn't appropriate for the release notes. This issue has been a big, ongoing issue for the linux desktop for years. It certainly seems appropriate to talk about the results now that our long-term strategic choices have blossomed. Luis -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
Hi, plugins are not available. The GNOME 2.14 distribution does not itself contain these non-free components. Actually better yet contain or endorse I'd be completely fine with this standpoint. However, not everyone in the GNOME community necessarily agrees with this. I got *a lot* of requests to add an mp3 recording profile to gnome-media. Historically, I've always refuted these requests because I agree that GNOME should not be endorsing them. But the dam might crack at some point :) Thomas Dave/Dina : future TV today ! - http://www.davedina.org/ -*- thomas (dot) apestaart (dot) org -*- Put something real to me -*- thomas (at) apestaart (dot) org -*- URGent, best radio on the net - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.fm/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 23:57 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: Addendum: - If anyone knows the status of the LiveCD, that section requires updating. As I wrote the other day I ordered a new computer but it hasn't yet arrived. Thus I'll clear up some space on my laptop and start producing the liveCD tomorrow. I'm still positive that we get an amd64 version too. Marcus -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
Oops. Forgot to CC lists. On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: Neat job. In front page: free software = Free Software Users - Performance: font rendering = text rendering (we did not optimizing the actual drawing at all, just the text layout...) the entire dictionary = an entire English word list / an entire dictionary Developers: Developer's Platform = Developers' Platform Cheers, behdad On Mon, 6 Mar 2006, Davyd Madeley wrote: Ok guys and gals. I am announcing a preliminary draft of the release notes for 2.14. We now require proof readers for spelling, grammar and technical correctness. The latest committed version is online at: http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/C/index.html You can also check out the release notes from CVS: http://cvs.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnomeweb-wml/www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/docbook/C/ We are using gnome-doc-utils for translation. I hope the translators know how to get all of that working, because I have no idea. Warning, I AM AN AUSTRALIAN, SPELLINGS MAY BE CONSIDERED INCORRECT. My grammar is also pretty appalling. Please send through corrections for these. Feel free to correct minor spelling mistakes yourself. Discussion should happen on list as appropriate or on the IRC channel #release-notes on irc.gnome.org. Addendum: - If anyone knows the status of the LiveCD, that section requires updating. - Danilo was meant to be providing the i18n stats page, he said he added it, but I can't see where. - Does anyone want to take charge on writing a press release? I am willing to raise my hand again if so required. --behdad http://behdad.org/ Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill -- Dan Bern, New American Language --behdad http://behdad.org/ Commandment Three says Do Not Kill, Amendment Two says Blood Will Spill -- Dan Bern, New American Language -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
Murray, I've attempted to merge in your suggestions. Tell me what you think. --d On Mon, 2006-03-06 at 18:28 +0100, Murray Cumming wrote: Well done. This is great stuff, and obviously a lot of work. 1. The first page (http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/notes/C/index.html) has a link at the end to the release notes (http://www.gnome.org/start/2.12/notes/) Even with the correct link, it doesn't make much sense for it to link to itself. In the past we added a sentence in the middle of the page, before the boring stuff and the learn-more stuff, saying If you are already familiar with GNOME, you might go directly to What's New for Users or use the other navigation links., with a link of What's New for Users. Without this, people often don't realise that there's more to read. They don't see the [Next] link and they think the menu at the right is just another site-wide menu. Then they complain about how the release notes don't contain any information. I guess you were halfway to doing something like that. 2. In Performance: renderering - rendering 3. I would change Ekiga, formerly known as GNOME Meeting is GNOME's voice and video over IP client. Ekiga supports both the SIP protocol, used in Google Talk, Asterisk and many other software and hardware VoIP devices; and H323, an older communications protocol used in Microsoft Netmeeting and some telecomms hardware. to Ekiga, formerly known as GNOME Meeting, is GNOME's voice and video-over-IP client. Ekiga now supports the SIP protocol as well as H323. SIP is used by Google Talk, Asterisk and many popular software and hardware VoIP devices. H323 is an older communications protocol used in Microsoft Netmeeting and some telecoms hardware. That adds the matching comma after Meeting and avoids the strange both ... ; and construct, and points out that SIP is what's new. 4. In Improved Window Management: boundry - boundary 5. Metacity will now give the hostname of windows not running locally in the title bar. would be clearer as Windows now show the hostname in their title bars if the the application is not running locally. 6. Both the logout dialog and unlock screen dialog will offer the option to switch user and a menu can be added to the panel allows fast access to user switching. I'd break the sentence after to switch user, and start a new one with In addition, a menu. allows should be allowing. 7. I'd avoid Stetic Configuration. It's a very in joke and, for people who aren't in on it, it makes us look as silly as the person who first coined the phrase. 8. In Pessulus - Lockdown Editor, we should mention that the Lockdown Editor makes it far _easier_ to do something that was always possible. 9. In the developers section: guarentee - guarantee consistant - consistent I can make these changes directly in CVS if you like. -- Davyd Madeley http://www.davyd.id.au/ 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
Sorry, forgot to say: - Add a very visible link to http://art.gnome.org/screenshots/gnome214 in the first paragraph. En/na Quim Gil ha escrit: Davyd, this is pretty cool. -- Quim Gil - http://desdeamericaconamor.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 14:39 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: Murray, I've attempted to merge in your suggestions. Tell me what you think. Thanks. 9. In the developers section: guarentee - guarantee Still needs doing. -- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.murrayc.com www.openismus.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: release notes: first draft
En/na Davyd Madeley ha escrit: Journalist ready press bytes are meant to be handled by the press release. As far as I know, no one has put their hand up for this yet. If you look at http://gnome.org/start/2.12/ you will see that the release notes are, in fact, our primary document to explain every release. The fact of having an official press release doesn't imply we can avoid journalist regular user friendly introduction and style in the release notes. As a user I remember that anytime GNOME released a new version I dound the news somewhere and I ended up reading the release notes. We can expect most journalists / bloggers following just the same path. I can't remember why we decided not to do this last time. Maybe there wasn't a reason. In the last months we have agreed that marketing the GNOME applications is as important as marketing the GNOME desktop itself. In this context I think the links to the project homepages are useful. - the GNU Image Manipulation Program is mostly known as the GIMP. I was recommended against this as it is a derogatory term for people with disabilities in some English dialects. I see. I'm not going to enter in this debate but... is this our problem, though? I mean, http://gimp.org/ refers to GIMP all the time. Magazines, books and 99% of links and headlines refer to GIMP as well. If there is an issue with the name it's the project responsibility to change it, not ours. By not typing GIMP we are distracting/confusing a good % of readers. You're saying that the current screenshot is insufficent? All I can say is that I have never seen Deskbar in action and the screenshot doesn't give me a clear hint of where it sits, how it affects the desktop. I guess it is enough if you include its context (the corner of the desktop with the piece of panel where the Deskbar lives - if I have understood correctly this application). There is a lot of contention about gnome-screensaver, I really mean A LOT. ok I wanted to avoid naming distributions. Ok, but then you should create a 2.14 listing in you Get Footware page. Otherwise users will get stuck there, because just a minority will know the distros already testing GNOME 2.14. I'm not quite sure what you're saying here. That IMO GStreamer 0.10 and specifically the approach to MP3, WMA and other non-free codecs should be more prominent in the release notes. :) -- Quim Gil - http://desdeamericaconamor.org signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
