Re: Fallback / Classic Mode
Hi, Allan Day wrote: Brian Cameron wrote: I can imagine some situations where a user would want to choose 'fallback' mode. For example, when accessing a remote machine via XDMCP or Xvnc, users would likely find that 'fallback' GNOME performs better - especially if latency is high. If my home directory is shared between the remote and local machine, I might want to use GNOME 3 on my local machine, but use fallback GNOME when I log into remote machines. I get your point that for the average or typical user, it probably does not make sense to expose the fallback/classic mode. However, there will likely always be particular configurations or setups where it makes sense for people to use it. Unless GNOME is evolving to simply just not support these sorts of use cases anymore. In terms of marketing, I'm not sure it makes sense to be targeting these kinds of users right now. In the longer term, it would be useful to see wider discussion about GNOME's approach to these kinds of technical environments. I buy that, but I think it's important that we have a who is GNOME 3 *not* for (yet) which covers audiences for whom GNOME 3 is not appropriate. And we need to have a story for them - such as we recommend you stick with GNOME 2.32 for another 6 months, or whatever. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fallback / Classic Mode
Jason D. Clinton wrote: On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 07:15, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: I buy that, but I think it's important that we have a who is GNOME 3 *not* for (yet) which covers audiences for whom GNOME 3 is not appropriate. And we need to have a story for them - such as we recommend you stick with GNOME 2.32 for another 6 months, or whatever. There are no Enterprise distributions due out until at least the GNOME 3.4 time frame so please let's focus on what we actually need to focus on right now: the 3.0 launch. shrug Not my call - I guess Allan Sumana, in collaboration with the board, are fixing priorities for the next 2-3 weeks. The whole fall-back messaging in particular the absence of a short list of places where this is known not to be appropriate seems to me to be setting us up for an entirely avoidable post-release shit-storm... but like I said, it's not my call. Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fallback / Classic Mode
Hi, Jason D. Clinton wrote: What does the Board have to do with the Marketing Team? Allan and Sumana, as members of the Marketing Team, are certainly good decision makers but the Board should not be doing any top-down management and I certainly hope that the Board is not putting Allan and Sumana in the difficult position of having to choose between what they know is the right thing to do and what their contract provider is asking that they do. I think that they are both qualified enough to stand on their own without being micromanaged. Further, I hope that any such discussions are transparent and exclusively on this mailing list. It appears you're happy telling people what to concentrate on, all I'm saying is that I'm not. But I bet that this will be an issue, and it's one we can handle easily with a tiny bit of foresight. The whole fall-back messaging in particular the absence of a short list of places where this is known not to be appropriate seems to me to be setting us up for an entirely avoidable post-release shit-storm... but like I said, it's not my call. What do you mean, Not to be appropriate? GNOME 3 is not appropriate, apparently, over VNC, and over thin clients (at least, this is what I've taken away from this thread). So we need to say GNOME 3 won't work well in these situations, and since the GNOME 3 fall-back is not a full-featured GNOME desktop, you might want to stick with GNOME 2.32 if you're in this situation. Fallback will work everywhere that GNOME 2.x has worked and any sysadmin crazy enough to deploy an enterprise desktop roll-out of a non-Enterprise distribution already has the tools they need to force Fallback Mode if they are so inclined. I don't see why it's even remotely relevant to the release of 3.0. Do you think no-one will bring this up? Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fallback / Classic Mode
Hi, Jason D. Clinton wrote: On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 13:16, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: It appears you're happy telling people what to concentrate on, all I'm saying is that I'm not. I would appreciate it if you would avoid ascribing me to certain positions that I am not taking. I shouldn't have reacted provocatively. I took your initial response to mean don't waste your time on this. Which, obviously, is telling me what I should spend time on. But I bet that this will be an issue, and it's one we can handle easily with a tiny bit of foresight. There is no issue because we planned for a Fallback Mode in 3.0 from the beginning and it is implemented (modulo some bugs that need to be squashed before release.) Surely you can accept that there is an image formed in the mind of people about GNOME 3, and we need to handle the expectations people have about the release? GNOME 3 is *not* GNOME Shell. I'm disheartened that you are this misinformed as a regular reader of this mailing list and a blogger on Planet GNOME. Frankly, I don't know what else we could have done to better inform you but if you have a suggestion as to how it is that you came to be so misguided and what we could have done to reach out to you earlier, that would certainly help this marketing process. Thank you for the lesson. As a misinformed, misguided contributor, I'm trying hard not to get too upset with your reaction. I hope you will react differentlyt post-release with misinformed misguided users press. In the minds of a lot of people (press and GNOME hackers, and by proxy, future users), GNOME 3 is very much the user experience defined by GNOME Shell. And, while I don't have any data to back this up, I'd bet that people are expecting GNOME 3 fall-back mode to be more or less equivalent to GNOME 2. So since (a) in some situations using GNOME 3 in normal mode (with GNOME Shell) is not appropriate, and (b) GNOME fall-back does not provide the same user experience as GNOME 2, we risk disappointing some people doubly, if we do not prepare ourselves to manage these expectations. That means, IMHO, figuring out some situations when it's inappropriate to run GNOME Shell, documenting how to manually switch to fall-back mode if, for example, your card is detected as being Shell capable, but runs slowly (I had this experience on one SiS chipset on a netbook), and also managing people's expectations about GNOME Fallback's feature set. I hope I've managed to clear up any confusion about my position, and my interests in holding that position. The sad thing is that we've spent longer arguing about this than it would have taken to document the few situations where using Shell is not appropriate, and making recommendations to users as to what we suggest they do in these situations. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Next GNOME User Day (31 March) needs 2 more co-hosts
Hi Allan, Allan Day wrote: Great! This is how the programme looks at the moment: Session 1 (07:00-08:00): Participate in the GNOME 3.0 hackfest * Allan, Fred P, Andre Session 2 (15:00-16:00): the 3.0 platform * Diego and Luis Session 3 (20:00-21:00): GNOME Shell Q A * Florian and Marina Just wondering, did you get a chance to add these to the GNOME community calendar? https://www.google.com/calendar/ical/mdnrfqhbsjn37b6sgad089qmak%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics I took the liberty of adding you to the (long!) list of people who can add events other editors while I was at it :) Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME: numbers of users, patches/revisions
Hi, Sumana Harihareswara wrote: I'm working on the press release and I'm finding it hard to figure out: About how many users can I claim GNOME has? (To simplify: the desktop, not the platform.) I was previously asked this question did a back of the envelope calculation based on guesstimates. The bottom line was working from Ubuntu's market share their announced user numbers, extrapolating across distributions that include GNOME by default, I got to somewhere in the region of 12 to 15 million users, back in 2008. Basically, Canonical announced 8 million users a few years back, and with Ubuntu market share (guessed from various Linux user surveys, which is not a random population), that translated into over 12 million GNOME users. Somehow I agree with John, calling out our user base is in some sense setting up market share as the way we keep score, when clearly it isn't. GNOME 3 will reach [number] of users around the world. What's a reasonable number to predict? Ah, now we're getting into whether GNOME apps platform + Unity = GNOME 3. Touchy subject... How many patches/code changes have been committed since the 2.0 release 9 years ago? (Tried viewing the repos, can't figure out how to get a total like this.) You can make a list of the modules you're counting, do a git log -M for each of them, concatenate the results, and then run gitdm on the result. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME: numbers of users, patches/revisions
Hi, Sumana Harihareswara wrote: John: How would you feel about an approximation along the lines of hundreds of thousands of users (or whatever a verifiably correct order of magnitude is)? Millions or tens of millions is better. Canonical updated their user count to 12 million last year: http://ostatic.com/blog/canonical-announces-12-million-ubuntu-users-google-makes-a-comeback And Jos recently pointed out that OpenSuse counts between 7 and 8 million users: http://en.opensuse.org/Statistics So combine OpenSuse's measured numbers and Ubuntu's approximate market share, and 12 million looks like a serious underestimate - 20 million would be more accurate, perhaps. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
[Fwd: Re: Upcoming t-shirt contest announcement]
Hi, Would it be possible to get the news of the t-shirt contest published on gnome.org also, please? Perhaps on the foundation blog and news.gnome.org? Thanks! Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org ---BeginMessage--- On Thursday 14 April 2011 11:18:24 Chris Kühl wrote: I propose we announce this at the beginning of next week as Friday ain't a good day for it and I'm assuming we'll be finalizing it today. contest published today: https://www.desktopsummit.org/ http://dot.kde.org/2011/04/19/desktop-summit-t-shirt-design-competition http://identi.ca/notice/71418555 https://mail.kde.org/mailman/private/ds-announce/2011-April/01.html http://blixtra.org/blog/2011/04/19/desktop-summit-t-shirt-contest/ -- Kenny ___ Ds-team mailing list ds-t...@desktopsummit.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/ds-team ---End Message--- -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Some feedback on presentation..
Hi Sri, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: I've written most of the presentation, but I would like some suggestions to improve it. I'll be presenting it at Northwest Linuxfest this Saturday. Thanks! Keep us posted how it goes. First impressions are that the content is great, but needs to be more graphic less wordy. I'd spread the whole thing out. Slides 3 4 are too wordy to me, and could potentially be split over 10 slides: (Slide #: text: image) 3: 2008 hackfest: photo maybe? http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/02/23/gnome-ux-hackfest-photos/ for example 4: Design user experience: Early mock-up(s) from wiki/pencil drawings ideal - one candidate: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mairin/4384751226/ Another source: http://www.gnome.org/~mccann/shell/design/GNOME_Shell-20091114.pdf Another: http://blogs.gnome.org/seth/2010/02/26/let-the-wild-rumpus-begin/ 5: Release: Screenshot/video from http://gnome3.org/ 6: Design principles: Something designy from Google Images (like Charles de Gaulle airport maybe? http://www.flickr.com/photos/62904109@N00/2801145645/) 7: Clutter/distraction free: Screenshot of shell 8: Task focussed: Workspace switch screenshot (talk about Hamster workspace to task feature!) 9: Document centric: Some kind of screenshot to show what this means - perhaps something from Federico's 2008 GUADEC presentation 10: Revamp platform: No good ideas for an image here. Talk about API/ABI, GTK+ revamp GObject introspection, fewer dependencies, consistent interfaces, etc. You can then take the audience through a slideshow of screenshots pointing out key features - I'd point to the revamped control center too, even though it's still in progress (worth pointing out too). And finally I'd replace slide 9 with some screenshots of core apps that are ported to GNOME 3 or have been included as featured apps - Shotwell, Totem, Rhythmbox, Simple Scan: http://www.gnome.org/applications/ This is also the opportunity to explain the revamping of the release sets. Hope this is the kind of feedback you were hoping for! Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Brand Guidelines Update
Hi Allan, Allan Day wrote: I wasn't aware that the brand guidelines are official or legal documents. They are guidelines. Maybe the foundation should bless them with officialdom... I'm not sure what that would achieve though. It's to do with sucky trademark laws. If you trademark something, you have to police its use. Branding guidelines outline things that are OK and not OK to do with your brand. Therefore, they have the potential to weaken your ability to defend the mark later, thus, legal issue. Thus, lawyers typically get to look at branding guidelines. Their clients, however, are free to ignore that advice in the name of effective graphic design. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fedora 15 Release
Hi, Allan Day wrote: We need to remind people of what's cool about GNOME 3. Do people have ideas for how we should do that? I'm sure we can use our microblogging feeds. Could we also produce some new GNOME 3 marketing materials? A features leaflet could be nice, for instance. For a start, I'm sure the Fedora guys would love to highlight GNOME 3 with our help. Re-running pointing to GNOME 3 materials from Fedora articles will be a great start. The best people to contact about Fedora promotion are Robyn Bergeron (current marketing team lead), and Paul Frields (because he's been around for so long, he knows all the people involved). Ensuring that GNOME 3 is presented in a positive light in Fedora release materials will go a long way. I agree that a features leaflet would be nice. Which features would you like to highlight? I'm sure there are other things we could do to help users though. What about online events such as user days? Any other ideas? I think the key, given that it's a Fedora release, is to ensure that we're fitting into the way Fedora does releases. In addition, something like user days to help educate new GNOME 3 users who get it through Fedora would be useful. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Desktop Summit t-shirt design contest - closing date coming up!
Hi all, I haven't heard much about the DS t-shirt contest in recent weeks - it's been open for a while now, and there are only a few days left to get a design in: https://desktopsummit.org/tshirt At this point, we have 0 (yes, 0) t-shirt design proposals from GNOME community members. Overall, we have not got a huge number of proposals, and the quality really isn't great. So please please please! Pass on the word, and if you are a talented artist/designer who knows their curves, consider submitting a t-shirt design for the desktop summit. All the cool kids will be wearing them! Thanks, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Q1 report update
Hi, Please drop GNOME Mobile as a section. It is time to face up to reality - it's been 2 years since we talked about GNOME Mobile in any useful sense. It is still possible to talk about mobile-related enws the GNOME platform, but it should just be in the GNOME platform section. It would be good to get a status update from the Igalia guys working on the Hildon stuff. Thanks, Dave. On 05/25/11 11:17, Emily Chen wrote: Hi all, The Q1 (Jan - Mar) updates are due and we had a bunch of news over the last 3 months, with GNOME 3.0 hackfest, GNOME 3.0 release, GNOME Users Group growing, WOP etc. Would every section owner like to help and write the update for Q1 at : http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/QuarterlyReports/2011/Q1 We need to have the Q1 report finished by *June 15*, 2011. Thanks a lot for the help! Emily -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Can we document how to do GNOME announcements, please?
Hi all, I've been trying to figure out what the best place for GNOME project related news announcements is recently, and it's *really* hard. This is in the context of announcing deadlines for attendee rates for Desktop Summit accommodation. We've also had the call for papers, announcement of the schedule, we have keynote interviews, etc. The DS has been generating quite a bit of news, and yet, you wouldn't be able to tell from looking at desktopsummit.org or gnome.org. We have: * No news posted to www.gnome.org Aggregators: * planet.gnome.org - aggregating personal blogs, definitely not a news site * news.gnome.org - aggregates announcement mailing lists, project blogs the foundation blog - also not a news site Foundation: * blogs.gnome.org/foundation - infrequently updated, more about foundation news than project news * foundation.gnome.org/press - press releases (not really news) Irregular: * gnomejournal.org - monthly, higher editorial standards, no way to publish something on a day or two's notice Not on gnome.org/not web pages: * gnome-announce mailing list (aggregated to news.gnome.org) * gnome Twitter feed * Facebook group Basically, someone not familiar with GNOME comes along can't find out our news announcements, someone inside GNOME wants to make people withing around the community aware of something, they have their personal blog aggregated on Planet as basically the only way to do that. By way of comparison, The Dot, KDE's news site, rations out the news over the week so that there's something almost every day, and they have some more worked articles every week. They have posted the following Desktop Summit articles so far: 20 May: Desktop Summit team unveils exciting program of talks 19 April: Desktop Summit T-shirt Design Competition 28 February: Desktop Summit CFP and Registration open 6 October: Desktop Summit 2011 to be held from 6 to 12 August in Berlin On the Desktop Summit site, we have just Desktop Summit schedule announced and a second article not aggregated on the front page for the t-shirt competition. We are getting left behind at this point, for lack of a good forum. So - after all that doom gloom, here's what I'd like us to do: 1. Either: - Make http://news.gnome.org a Wordpress blog and document who can add news items to it - Turn gnomejournal.org into something more like lwn, with regular small updates, and more irregular, polished articles : and use the one we choose as the GNOME news announcements site 2. Document who is maintaining the news.gnome.org planet aggregator (is it the same team as Planet GNOME?) - what we could do is move this aggregator to news.gnome.org/announce or something like that, since it really isn't a news feed, it's an announcements feed. 3. Find out who can post to the foundation blog and potentially use that as a way to publish news items when appropriate. 4. Add a News link to the front page of gnome.org which will point to whatever we figure out in 1. How does this sound as a plan of action? First, the easy stuff, anyone know who's maintaining news.gnome.org, and who can point to the foundation blog? For the harder stuff, what would be involved in creating a news blog on blogs.gnome.org, and redirecting news.gnome.org to point to it? Do we have a gnome.org wordpress theme we can use for it? Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Can we document how to do GNOME announcements, please?
Hi, Allan Day wrote: Thanks for kicking off this discussion. It's something I've meant to do myself at various points in the past (I think I even started writing up an analysis at one point...) Cool! I've been keeping the front page of gnome.org going as best I can. There are some short articles there about the GNOME Foundation elections, feature proposals, etc. Wow! Sorry Allan! I totally missed www.gnome.org/news - it was below the fold when I checked the front page, and I basically just didn't think to scroll down. So yes, this would be a good place to do a news feed - better than news.gnome.org, I think. What's involved in posting news there? I have often found myself having to link to emails on gmane.org when advertising announcements made by the release team. This looks terrible. GNOME announcements should be GNOME branded and they shouldn't look like they are from the 90s. I agree. In general linking to mail.gnome.org would be slightly better than gmane :) We really need to get a proper process going for granting posting permissions to gnome.org. I started putting this together on the wiki [2] and posted to the web hackers list about it [3], but I never got a response. I'm not on web-hackers - honestly I wasn't aware it existed. That's more or less where we stand right now. If we want to do a more fundamental restructuring of our news platforms (which I think we should), we should discuss goals and strategy before getting into specifics. What are the different groups of people we want to provide news for? What kinds of news do they want (and are there any overlaps)? Sounds good to me. In the short term, I have a couple of news items for gnome.org/news which it'd be cool to get up. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Can we document how to do GNOME announcements, please?
Hi, Vincent Untz wrote: Le mercredi 08 juin 2011, à 09:44 -0600, Stormy Peters a écrit : On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 3:57 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: 1. Either: - Make http://news.gnome.org a Wordpress blog and document who can add news items to it And remove the other feeds? Or just have a way to publish news too? I'd actually simply make news.gnome.org redirect to www.gnome.org/news and find a better place for the other feeds on the current news.gnome.org. Me too. That depends on how official we want to keep gnome.org/news, personally I think aggregating articles about GNOME occasionally is good, as long as the original content stays around 30% - 50% of the total. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Can we document how to do GNOME announcements, please?
Hi, Olav Vitters wrote: On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 06:38:39PM +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: I'd actually simply make news.gnome.org redirect to www.gnome.org/news and find a better place for the other feeds on the current news.gnome.org. What to do about the existing content on news.gnome.org? Rename it to announce.gnome.org? news.gnome.org/announce? Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Can we document how to do GNOME announcements, please?
Hi, Olav Vitters wrote: So news.gnome.org: redirect to www.gnome.org/news but news.gnome.org/announce: show existing content? I don't think it should redirect - it should be: news.gnome.org and gnome.org/news: Aliases for same thing (no R in ModRewrite) Both point to news.gnome.org/announce via a link: Follow project announcements, which will be what we currently have in news.gnome.org Wouldn't that be a bit confusing? I don't think so. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Syndicating gnome.org/news to news.gnome.org
Hi, Could we get gnome.org/news syndicated to news.gnome.org straight away, please? Regardless of other changes we might make, I think this is a good idea. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Syndicating gnome.org/news to news.gnome.org
Hi, Olav Vitters wrote: On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 11:38:31AM +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Weird. The feed title is Comments on: News in Google Reader. http://www.gnome.org/feed/ ? I guess that works too. Only contains 5 items (compared to 10 on /category/news) Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
[Fwd: Fwd: Tuesday announcement of Desktop Summit sponsors]
Hi all, I'm afraid that I won't have any time to do this. Is there anyone who can ensure that this announcement gets published on gnome.org/news, please? I'm not convinced it's newsworthy enough, but we should be giving exposure to our sponsors somehow - any other ideas for publication are welcome. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org ---BeginMessage--- Gents, Can you please ensure something goes out on the GNOME News site tomorrow from the attached announcements? I won't be able to do anything as I'll be on my way to Paris :D Cheers, Jos -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Tuesday announcement of Desktop Summit sponsors Date: Friday 15 July 2011, 16:27:16 From: Jos Poortvliet j...@opensuse.org To: Capdevielle@jospoortvliet, JocelynX\ jocelynx.capdevie...@intel.com, Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller\ christian.schal...@collabora.co.uk, dot-edit...@kde.org, n...@opensuse.org, ds-t...@desktopsummit.org, ds- market...@desktopsummit.org, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com, marketing-list marketing-list@gnome.org, Amie Johnson a...@novell.com, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org Hi all, Attached the announcements for the Desktop Summit Sponsorship. As you know, Intel, Collabora and SUSE will be the main (Platinum and Gold) sponsors, hence we'd like to let you know that these announcements will go out on the Desktop Summit press channels on Tuesday, 15:00 UTC. We'd appreciate it if you would either issue your own or echo these announcements. Any input or suggestions are of course welcome. Greetings, Jos Poortvliet The Desktop Summit Team - pWe are pleased to announce that the Desktop Summit 2011 in Berlin will be supported by Intel as Platinum sponsor. The event also welcomes Collabora and SUSE as Gold partners. The organization is delighted with the community spirit of these generous corporate partners. Mirko Boehm, Lead organizer of the Desktop Summit, said: emTheir support is essential for the Desktop Summit's efforts to bring together Free Software developers from all around the world to work in a collaborative spirit on the next generation desktop technology./em/p pDawn Foster, MeeGo Community Manager stated: emIntel is happy to sponsor the Desktop Summit as a way to support the many projects that we use and contribute to on a regular basis. It's important to us to work closely with open source projects - and this is one way to do that./em/p pChristian Schaller, Marketing Manager at Collabora told us: emAt Collabora we are excited to support the Desktop Summit as we feel it is one of the core events in terms of moving the open source ecosystem forward. A lot of open source innovation happens on the desktop first before being widely deployed on all kinds of systems and devices. As the leader in the fields of multimedia and real time communications Collabora are very much a part of that effort. We look forward to meeting up with and engaging with the everyone at the Desktop Summit./em/p pemSUSE is proud to be a Gold Sponsor of the Desktop Summit 2011,/em said Michael Miller, vice president of Global Alliances and Marketing at SUSE.em ?Cross project collaboration is a core value at SUSE and we are committed to wide interoperability and open communication. Our support of openSUSE at the Desktop Summit demonstrates our continued commitment to a strong Free and Open Source ecosystem./em/p pAside from the Platinum and Gold sponsors, we are happy to welcome the following Silver sponsors for this event: ul liCanonical/li liGoogle/li liIgalia/li liThe Linux Foundation/li liQt/li liRed Hat/li /ul /p pThe following are our Bronze level sponsors: ul liLanedo/li liMozilla/li liopenshine/li /ul /p pTheir support is greatly appreciated/p pOur media partners for the Desktop Summit will be golem.de and Linux Magazine/p pThe organizing team would like to thank our sponsors on behalf of the GNOME and KDE communities! We are still looking for more sponsors, please contact us if you are interested (details below)./p h2About the Desktop Summit/h2 pGUADEC (GNOME Users And Developers European Conference) and Akademy (KDE annual world summit) are the world's largest gatherings of people involved in Free Desktop and mobile user interfaces. Over a thousand participants are expected at the Desktop Summit this year, covering both the GNOME and KDE projects as well as related technologies. Organizers welcome developers, artists, translators, community organizers, users and representatives from government, education, businesses. Anyone who shares an interest in a Free Desktop is encouraged to participate./p pGNOME and KDE are Free Software communities that drive the user interfaces of many Linux-powered devices--smartphones, laptops, desktops, personal media centers. 2011 is the second summit organized collaboratively by the two communities./p h2Contact/h2 pContact information
Re: draft for Friends of GNOME campaign
Hi Karen, On 11/28/2011 08:04 PM, Karen Sandler wrote: jjmarin and I are working on this text to promote the FoG campaign we hope to launch next week. How can we improve it? Also, do you like Make 2012 the year of accessibility for GNOME as a short tagline? I hate to say it, but I'm not sure if Accessibility as an abstract concept will sell. Do we have some examples of GNOME users whose lives were made measurably better because of the a11y work we've done? Show-cases work wonders. With your help we can start tackling those goals. Let's kickstart 2012 as the Year of Accessibility at GNOME and make the most usable desktop environment the most accessible desktop environment! Do we have any specific improvements (and the reasons why they're important - or the people for whom they're important) to point to? Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Press Team: usage of gnome-press-team list
Hi, On 12/06/2011 09:34 PM, Stormy Peters wrote: I've never understood the difference between marketing private and press ... I think I'd stick with the press alias over the marketing private though as it makes more sense for people trying to contact us. gnome-press-contact is simply an alias for marketing-private - mail to the former gets relayed to the latter transparently. marketing-private is the real name of the mailing list. And indeed, we've moved away from doing things like drafting press releases in private in recent years, and I think that's fine. The only thing we need to avoid is a proliferation of unused lists - I think we should get rid of one of marketing-private, marketing-list and gnome-press-team, and better define the scope of each of them. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: marketing mini meeting at FOSDEM
Hi, I'll be there. If there's no conflict I'm happy to tag along. Cheers, Dave. On 01/04/2012 11:01 PM, Karen Sandler wrote: I know that Allan, Emily G. and I are planning to attend FOSDEM. Is anyone else? I'd love to schedule a time for us to meet up. karen -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: OSCON
Hi, On 01/29/2012 02:16 AM, Sri Ramkrishna wrote: I manned the GNOME booth at OSCON for 3 years. It just seems that the participants there are not really interested in Linux desktops in general. They are all cloud/web apps type of people. The best booths are the ones that engage people passing by. I had a few ideas but they may be way out there... could be cool for OSCON, though. 1. Croud-source something we need that isn't getting done - The classic example was last year, there's a project aiming to create audio learning materials to go along with words and images. They have English down pretty well, but could use others. I can't remember the name, unfortunately... I suggested that they could set up a recording booth, and take advantage of the international make-up of the audience to get recordings of different languages. It becomes a demo of their tools, and an opportunity to get contributions at the same time. OpenStreetMap does something similar, hosting mapping parties in the evening after conferences in places where they have booths. Do we have something where we could engage the public and get material we could use later? Translations? Mallard docs? Something where we can show a checklist and see everything going to green as people do the work during the conference would be cool! 2. Interactive demo booths - Something like a coding competition, where on Day 1, you pair people off to write a Shell extension to do the same thing as a bake-off, the winners do something else on day 2, and on day 3 you have the final. I haven't thought this through fully, but the fact that you can write shell extensions in JS should appeal to the web cloud crowd, no? 3. Some way to follow through - My experience of GNOME booths is that we rarely have a call to action for after the conference. We don't collect email addresses for a newsletter, or ask people to do anything in particular. It'd be nice if we used contact with a highly technical audience as an opportunity to get some new contributors. What might that be? Signing up Friends of GNOME might be a start, but also having some way to sign people up for an announce mailing list (not paper pen! No-one ever types all that in again - either a form that stores contact details in a Mailman compatible batch subscription format, or a proper connection to the announce mailing list, and a follow-up afterwards with a call to engage) The booth would have to be focused on applications or integration with cloud, a11y, or online services to get traction IMHO. A booth for the sake of just showing a GNOME desktop is not very inspiring or useful. Web APIs and cloud/online services sounds like a great focus! Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME FOSDEM Stand
Hi, On 02/09/2012 01:40 PM, Emily Gonyer wrote: The cloth GNOME 3 banner we had that was held up by tape on the window kept falling down and I've been trying to think of alternative ways to do it ever since. Yes - we should definitely put things like a ball of string, blu-tack and strong sellotape into the box. As I recall it had grommets so maybe we could throw a couple of suction cups w/ hooks on them in the box to stick to windows if that should occur again, or at least some stronger tape (duck/masking/etc). What's a grommet? More 'stuff' in general - both free to sell would be good - what about different shirts, hats (winter hats with 'gnome.org http://gnome.org' on the back and a foot logo on the front probably would have sold like mad, for example... I had hoped that the posters I brought would have a bigger impact - I think they are gorgeous and thought we might be able to have a give-away with them - especially since they were quite expensive to print! What did people think of them? Is printing posters something we should look into for future conferences? If we do, we definitely will need to take better care of them! Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Gnumeric still available?
Hi, (list only, CCing marketing-list, setting follow-up there) On 02/13/2012 10:48 AM, Andre Klapper wrote: On Sun, 2012-02-12 at 16:22 -0800, Steve Talley wrote: I just went to your website, and it wasn't clear to me how to download Gnome, which I did some months ago, and which provided Gnumeric and many other free applications. If you go to http://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/ there is a Find out how to get GNOME 3 link at the bottom leading to http://www.gnome.org/getting-gnome/ which includes a Distributions section. If you would just like to download Gnumeric I would recommend http://projects.gnome.org/gnumeric/ as a start. This raises an interesting point about the GNOME web page - we don't currently provide an easy way to find/find out about GNOME applications (hosted on gnome.org) which aren't part of the GNOME desktop, outside of the few applications we promote on gnome.org/applications http://projects.gnome.org/ gives an index, looking through the list, some interesting apps we could promote are Abiword, Balsa, Banshee, Déjà Dup, Dia, F-Spot, GIMP, Gnumeric, GNU Cash, Hamster (although I think this is included in GNOME now?), Inkscape, Nanny, PDF Mod, Planner, Rhythmbox, Tasque, X-Chat... Some of these are not hosted on gnome.org - Banshee, GIMP, GNU Cash, Inkscape, X-Chat all have their own websites, and for good reason. Some of them are on Launchpad (Déjà Dup, for example). And several excellent GNOME applications (like Shotwell, SimpleScan, Sound Juicer, for example) don't get a mention on the progects.g.o page at all. It'd be nice if we could help these projects with their SEO and get them more visibility as the headline GNOME applications - those we know make users happy and have great integration and a decent degree of functionality and maturity. On that score, I would exclude Dia and GNUCash because they haven't kept up with the platform, but the others are all excellent GNOME apps. Perhaps gnome.org/applcations is the place for us to promote these applications? How can we do so in a sustainable and SEO-friendly way? We already promote some GNOME applications there - including apps like Cheese which are included in the desktop but which benefit from people knowing what they are. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fwd: Idea on linux.com article on a11y
Hi Sri, It's a risky strategy - from what I can tell our accessibility story has regressed since 2.32. Do we have an action plan to get back to where we were before? I have been getting the impression that accessibility wasn't a top priority for some of the teams driving GNOME 3. If we really do have a good accessibility story, and legitimate gripes with the linux.com story, then it sounds like it's worth a shot. Cheers, Dave. On 02/22/2012 07:36 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: I sent this to Karen, and I would like to get a wider feedback on this course of action. When dealing with the press there is always a bit of a risk especially if you're trying to manipulate them :) sri -- Forwarded message -- From: *Sriram Ramkrishna* s...@ramkrishna.me mailto:s...@ramkrishna.me Date: Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 1:49 PM Subject: Idea on linux.com http://linux.com article on a11y To: Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org mailto:ka...@gnome.org Cc: Juanjo Marín juanjomari...@yahoo.es mailto:juanjomari...@yahoo.es I was talking with Juanjo today and came up with an idea. I'm wondering if this is something you would support: Create a rebuttal article to the Linux.com article which bemoans the lack of good a11y. By stating in fact that we are in fact have great a11y support thanks to the efforts of the GNOME foundation and contributors. We can either make it another Linux.com article or we could generate our own news.gnome.org http://news.gnome.org or something. The idea is to create a conversation of viewpoints. But more importantly, to try to attract third party media who love these kind of controversies. We get several benefits, linux.com http://linux.com's gets a higher media exposure and as well we do. We would hopefully create an effect of having media focus on a11y technologies in Linux or maybe in general. Basically, create a meme with some media manipulation. What do you think? sri -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Fwd: Idea on linux.com article on a11y
Hi, On 02/22/2012 07:36 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: When dealing with the press there is always a bit of a risk especially if you're trying to manipulate them :) You know this is a publicly archived mailing list, yes? :) Several members of the press are members of this list too, you know... Create a rebuttal article to the Linux.com article which bemoans the lack of good a11y. By stating in fact that we are in fact have great a11y support thanks to the efforts of the GNOME foundation and contributors. Having read Carla's article, I can't find fault with a single thing she says. Juanjo said the exact same thing in this thread. GNOME 3 has regressed some from GNOME 2 with the deprecation of Bonobo and Orca didn't work well with GNOME 3.0 at all. So - what exactly is there to rebut? Let's celebrate successes instead of trying tactics to gain notoriety (and, since she's exactly right, you end up risking a GNOME 3 not accessible article coming right back at you that you could spend years trying to overcome). Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Annual Report Status?
Hi, IMHO, it's better not to have homework articles - if a team doesn't have anything compelling to write about, they shouldn't be in the report. So I'd love to see us come up with a table of contents and each section should have an editor or author at this point. Cheers, Dave. Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.com wrote: Cool, aside from the wiki, does anyone have a list of who's in charge of/volunteered to do other articles? Are the respective teams working on their sections or should I just do for each of the remaining sections as I did with the Accessibility/a11y report? Emily On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Christy Eller iamchristyel...@gmail.comwrote: And I'm planning to work on the thank you pants article today! Christy On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: Thanks Emily, This is a timely reminder that I have to put the Marina interview together for the report. I'll get to it this week. Cheers, Dave. On 02/25/2012 01:33 PM, Emily Gonyer wrote: Hi all! I've been looking over the wiki for the Annual Report and am wondering how things are going for everyone on their respective 'owned' projects? Does anyone need help with something specific? I did a paragraph for each of the 'big international' events listed on the wiki yesterday ( http://live.gnome.org/action/edit/GnomeMarketing/AnnualReport/AnnualReport2011/InternationalEvents ), I'm not sure how much information we were looking for on each of these, if thats it or if we'd like a fuller article. If thats the case please let me know, and I'll start working on fleshing them out. Otherwise, I'm planning on working on a page re: Outreach Program for Women next. Emily -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Annual Report Status?
... On 02/28/2012 10:19 AM, Dave Neary wrote: What I would like to have is an editor who either (a) asks what's been happening that's cool, or (b) looks through blog posts and articles and figures out what would be compelling, and then either ask people to write something specifically about that, or (as Emily has been doing) writing something short about it, and asking people to review and edit. And specifically, around the platform, there aren't many of the GTK+/platform developers who are active bloggers. Those that come to mind, who might be interested in writing about how easy bindings are with GNOME 3's platform, for example are: Johan Dahlin, Danni Madeley and Tomeu Vizoso (who have written about it before), and attendees at the GObject introspection hackfest: https://live.gnome.org/Hackfests/Introspection2011 By the way, to figure out who's blogged about a subject in the past, site:blogs.gnome.org topic works pretty well. Not ideal, since not all GNOME hackers are on blogs.gnome.org. Google Blogs Search returns more hits, but also many more irrelevant links too. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary Email: dne...@free.fr Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Annual Report Status?
Hi, On 02/28/2012 03:08 AM, Brian Cameron wrote: We should consider, though, how we could better harmonize our marketing efforts to gain sponsors and to better simplify things. I think the brochures are good, but we benefit more by harmonizing them. Many advisory board members have told us that they would prefer being approached just once in the year and asked for a single amount. They have told us they do not like being approached separately for each event, as we have tended to do in the past. So do two brochures make sense? I hope I understand you correctly - are you suggesting that the annual report is somehow a brochure we use for sponsor AB recruitment? While I think it is useful for that, because it's showing the value of the foundation, I don't think that's its primary purpose. I see it as our annual magazine, an opportunity to spread news about GNOME far wide. I think that adding a donation form targeting individuals might be a good idea, but I don't think that mixing advisory board budgets with the annual report is appropriate. In fact, advisory board budgeting is necessarily very high-touch, hand-holding, and I wouldn't expect a brochure to impact that budgeting decision at all. I see the GUADEC brochure as being aimed at potential sponsors not on the advisory board, or as an infoirmational document for advisory board members. Also, I'm not sure we're in a position now to have a one-off what's our budget next year conversation with most advisory board members. That's a conversation to have in August and September, when the annual budget is being finalised, not in March. So the GUADEC brochure may well end up being a useful tool for advisory board members too. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME News - Progress and Plans
Hi, On 03/01/2012 11:26 AM, Allan Day wrote: ... Thanks for the update! Looks like things are coming along nicely. Any feedback from the Journal authors editors? Are they involved in the news rework at this point? To be an effective news site, we will need to be very selective about the content we agrgegate - I don't want, for example, an announce mailing list RSS stream sent straight to the site - and see half of the front page with fixed-width font that doesn't fit with the rest of the site. And we definitely need editorial control on what gets promoted to/included on the main news site to keep people coming back. However, there are some outstanding questions that still need answering: * Should we have a comments system on the new site? Yes, definitely. * Where should official announcements, such as press releases, be made? Do they have to be hosted on gnome.org in order to look official, or could they go on news.gnome.org, for example? I'd keep proper press releases somewhere else - the news site shouldn't just be a regurgitated press release, it should be a less formal, potentially more informative, commentary on the press release. * What does this mean for the role of GNOME Journal, if anything? I'd like to see this *be* the GNOME Journal. What I'd like to see is have people sign up to a newsletter if they want, and have a monthly Best of GNOME News newsletter sent out, with links to the original articles top stories of the month. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME News - Progress and Plans
Hi, On 03/01/2012 02:22 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: On Thu, Mar 01, 2012 at 10:26:03AM +, Allan Day wrote: 1. Aggregate news feeds just like the current news site does So all existing feeds would be preserved? Currently it has various mailing lists as source. The resulting post is not that great, but it is pretty nice to just be able to send an email announcement and have news.gnome.org be updated automatically. It might be nice for the sender, but as you say, it's not that nice for the reader. I would discourage that practice. I'd much prefer that interesting announcements get a news article which can point to the announce email (like on LWN). Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing Meeting next week.
Hi, On 03/16/2012 06:26 PM, Bryen M Yunashko wrote: I've been quite happy with the inclusion of a meetbot during IRC meetings. It totally automates the minutes, action items, info points and logging in a way I can't see video conferencing achieve. Personally I think meetbot minutes can't hold a candle to human written/typed minutes. Most meetbot minutes look like this to me: Meeting started by nick1 at 16:00:46 UTC (full logs). Meeting summary: * Topic 1 (nick1, 16:05:03) * url (nick2, 16:23:22) * ACTION: Update proposal (nick1, 16:35:19) * Topic 2 (nick1, 16:38:01) * ACTION: Request comments on mailing list (nick2, 16:58:12) Meeting ended at 16:59:30 UTC (full logs). Basically useless - and you need to read the full logs to get any information. MeetBot automates nothing - it requires someone responsible for minutes during the meeting. Also, meetings that aren't linear, but where someone wants to add something at the end of a meeting related to something earlier, are a mess in meetbot. Unstacking actions, or changing stuff that is already minuted, is really hard. But we do this with written minutes all the time. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 3.4 Press Release
Excellent, thanks Eleanor! When do you think you'll have time for a first draft? Thanks, Dave. Eleanor Chen cheny...@gmail.com wrote: Please allow me to write a draft. Eleanor On Tuesday, March 20, 2012, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 09:12:28AM +, Allan Day wrote: We should already be making progress with the press release for the 3.4 release. Is anyone willing to take it on? Ping. We're going to be in real trouble if someone doesn't get started with this (we might already be). Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- It is the time you have spent for your rose that makes your rose so important. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 3.4 press coverage
Hi, In the past I have used delicious with the tag gnome224 for 2.24 (for example): http://delicious.com/tag/gnome224 This approach is easy, and easy to distribute. Maybe Pinboard would be more appropriate now? In any case, I favour this kind of approach - after the release rush we can revisit to sort wheat from chaff, or just leave the raw list there for reference, linked from the wiki. Cheers, Dave. On 03/29/2012 11:43 AM, Andre Klapper wrote: Anybody knows if we have a central place on the wiki where to list press coverage for the latest and future GNOME releases? Or does this make no sense? As a start: [de] http://www.heise.de/open/artikel/Angesehen-Gnome-3-4-1480115.html [cs] http://www.linuxexpres.cz/software/recenze-gnome-3-4 andre -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Getting GNOME page on gnome.org
Hi Olav, On 04/02/2012 03:02 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: On Mon, Apr 02, 2012 at 01:57:29PM +0100, Allan Day wrote: GNOME 3. It is also a nice place to illustrate the communities and values associated with GNOME, of course, and this page can do a bit of that, but this shouldn't detract from its primary focus. Having a less prominent secondary list of distros which include GNOME 3, but maybe aren't as easy to get started with, seems like a good compromise to me. How we select that list of distros is a little tricky, of course. (But I do think we should have some criteria for this.) I want Mageia to be removed from this list the way it is now. You're not getting GNOME 3 with the stated instructions. As such, I don't want it in there. I'm sure that wasn't your intention, but you're coming across as rude demanding here. The image of my son shouting I don't want to take a bath comes to mind. There may be good reasons to include or exclude Mageia from the list - and I'm sure that we can all work through those reasons without being too demanding. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo]
Hi, On 04/17/2012 05:43 AM, Karen Sandler wrote: This says Powered by GNOME and I know that some folks wanted us to shy away from using terms like that or GNOME Technologies, though I think it's also necessary to provide ways for folks to say that there are GNOME components involved in their products to help people understand how useful GNOME is. Personally I have no issues with Powered by GNOME - the stickers are destined to be stuck to a laptop after all, not a GNOME derivative. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: [Fwd: Question about the trademark policy and usage of the GNOME logo]
Hi, On 04/17/2012 06:17 PM, Bryen M Yunashko wrote: Just out of curiosity, why do some people have issues with powered by GNOME phrase? To put it in perspective; I considered that we were missing an opportunity by not putting Mint on the list of GNOME distributions - Cinnamon is GNOME 3 based, and I thought it would be good to associate the GNOME brand with it. Allan, as I recall, believed that doing so diluted the brand, since Cinnamon is such a heavily modified GNOME 3 experience. So not in the context of stickers. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
I suck
Hi all, Yes, I suck. Way back in (so long ago I don't even remember which month) I interviewedd Marina about herself, her history in GNOME, her plans for WSOP and more. It was a great interview, and she put lots of time and effort into answering my questions, we did an IRC follow-up that added lots of colour to it, and my plan was to take all that material and do a really nice magazine-feature type interview, rather than just QA. Unfortunately, I never got around to it. So, to prevent myself from being a road-block to having the interview published in the annual report, I will remove myself from the process. We have a few options: * Print the QA which Marina answered in December and January as they are (with grammar checks and what not) * I can hand over QA and IRC logs, and let someone else have a go at doing the nice magazine-feature style interview-article. I believe I have previously sent everything in with a note just in case I don't get around to it, but I don't recall to whom I sent the interview. So - option A or option B? Emily, are you still guiding the Journal through its difficult birthing? Would you care to choose for me? Thanks! And sorry. Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: I suck
Hi Emily, This was for teh annual report - it went on the ideas page, at least, and I claimed it, so I believe it should still be in the annual report plan. I'll happily forward everything on. Cheers, Dave. On 05/30/2012 03:21 AM, Emily Gonyer wrote: Hey Dave, Before we choose, why don't we go over what you have, and decide which would be better/more practical at this point. I'd suggest either publishing what you have on the wiki or putting it in a google doc. Or you can simply send me what you have - whichever you prefer - and I/we can sort through it and see what we think would be best. If it ends up being too much work to do the magazine type feature you imagined for the annual report, perhaps another option would be to publish it as a special feature on gnome.org http://gnome.org. GNOME Journal has unfortunately floundered once again - I'm not entirely sure if it was ever updated to wordpress on gnome's servers, and I've never received any articles for it from anyone else :( At this point, I'm not sure a separate journal is practical, and lean more towards simply publishing material on gnome.org http://gnome.org as it becomes available, then saving it in an archive by month/yr. Though I am certainly open to other suggestions. Emily On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:02 PM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org mailto:dne...@gnome.org wrote: Hi all, Yes, I suck. Way back in (so long ago I don't even remember which month) I interviewedd Marina about herself, her history in GNOME, her plans for WSOP and more. It was a great interview, and she put lots of time and effort into answering my questions, we did an IRC follow-up that added lots of colour to it, and my plan was to take all that material and do a really nice magazine-feature type interview, rather than just QA. Unfortunately, I never got around to it. So, to prevent myself from being a road-block to having the interview published in the annual report, I will remove myself from the process. We have a few options: * Print the QA which Marina answered in December and January as they are (with grammar checks and what not) * I can hand over QA and IRC logs, and let someone else have a go at doing the nice magazine-feature style interview-article. I believe I have previously sent everything in with a note just in case I don't get around to it, but I don't recall to whom I sent the interview. So - option A or option B? Emily, are you still guiding the Journal through its difficult birthing? Would you care to choose for me? Thanks! And sorry. Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org mailto:dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com mailto:nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org mailto:marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. - Goethe Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr.Seuss Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted. - Albert Einstein -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Fwd: Re: Annual report - can I interview you?
Hi all, Email 1 of 3 re Marina interview for the annual report. Thanks, Dave. Original Message Subject: Re: Annual report - can I interview you? Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2011 01:06:27 -0500 (EST) From: Marina Zhurakhinskaya mari...@redhat.com To: Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org CC: Juanjo Marin juanjomari...@yahoo.es, Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.com,ka...@gnome.org Hi Dave, I wrote a few answers, but will need more time tomorrow. I really like to have a chance to think through these answers well. We can then shorten them and add in more things from the IRC conversation. How about we talk on IRC on Saturday, Sunday, or Monday instead of tomorrow? Here are my responses to the first 2 questions. Q. Marina, you've co-ordinated the GNOME Outreach Program for Women for the past two years. Can you tell us how you got involved in GNOME yourself? I joined Red Hat six years ago to work on a social networking product after seeing a posting from the team's manager on LinkedIn. I had used Linux through my college years and at my previous job, but I didn't have any experience contributing to free software. In fact, I remember puzzling over why there was a choice between two options - GNOME and KDE - at the login screen of my Red Hat Enterprise Linux workstation at my previous job, and wondering how was I supposed to know which one to pick. Four years ago my original team was merged into the desktop team and I started working on GNOME. With many great GNOME contributors out there, it's uncommon for the desktop team to hire someone who is not an established contributor, so the fact that I ended up working on GNOME is a happy coincidence. Q. How did you end up co-ordinating the Outreach Program for Women? In August 2009, I received an e-mail from Diego Escalante Urrelo, on behalf of the GNOME Board of Directors, asking me to organize the outreach effort. Having just come from the Gran Canaria Desktop Summit, it was very evident to me and others how few women there were in the GNOME community. There are just 4 women in this[1] GNOME group picture of about 160. Two other women are Stormy Peters and Rosanna Yuen, who worked for the GNOME Foundation. The third woman is Alia Merali, who joined her husband it attending several GUADECs and helped with organizing GUADEC in Barcelona in 2006. It was very exciting to me to have the mandate and the support of the GNOME Foundation to involve more women in the GNOME community. [1]http://images49.fotki.com/v856/filevUZx/7142f/7/441267/7802004/081.jpg (we can probably find a better picture) (To complete my answer for this question I'll talk about what we did to start out the outreach effort and that there were 15 and 23 women respectively at the GNOME women's dinners at GUADEC in the subsequent years.) Thanks, Marina - Original Message - From: Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org To: Marina Zhurakhinskaya mari...@redhat.com Cc: Juanjo Marin juanjomari...@yahoo.es, Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.com, ka...@gnome.org Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 3:52:11 AM Subject: Re: Annual report - can I interview you? Hi, On 12/05/2011 07:14 PM, Marina Zhurakhinskaya wrote: Thanks for making plans to cover mentorship in the annual report! I'll be happy to do an interview and help with any materials about mentorship for the report. How about we start it out as a written QA, and then you can follow up with more questions via e-mail or on IRC based on my answers if you'd like? That way I'll get a bit more time to think about the answers to the core questions, but then we can incorporate questions based on the answers I provide and introduce an element of a discussion into the interview. I'm generally around this week and next. Sure! I was thinking that a half an hour IRC chat which we could edit afterwards might come across more as a conversation than a QA - but I'd be happy to send you a few questions to allow you to organise your thoughts. We can either publish these, or do the conversation format afterwards, whichever you prefer. Thanks! Q. Marina, you've co-ordinated the GNOME Outreach Program for Women for the past two years. Can you tell us how you got involved in GNOME yourself? Q. How did you end up co-ordinating the Outreach Program for Women? Q. Has it been easy to convince people to mentor projects? What proportion of the mentors are male? Q. Do you think we're doing a good job as mentors in the GNOME community? What could we be doing better? Q. What do you think are the main issues that we need to work on as a community to see more women getting involved in GNOME? Q. Given the success of the first two editions of the Outreach Program for Women, do you anticipate the program continuing in future years? Thanks for your help! Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman
(3/3) Fwd: Re: Annual report - can I interview you?
Hi again, Email 3/3 re interview with Marina for the annual report. This is the log of an IRC discussion, plus some follow-on answers from Marina. Thanks, Dave. Original Message Subject: Re: Annual report - can I interview you? Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 01:10:12 -0500 (EST) From: Marina Zhurakhinskaya mari...@redhat.com To: Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org CC: Juanjo Marin juanjomari...@yahoo.es, Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.com,ka...@gnome.org Hi Dave et al, Thanks for conducting a great interview! It was fun :)! Here are the answers to the questions I skipped over while trying to get to some other questions :). Thanks! Marina dneary Do you think that there's a need for a mentorship and outreach team? You mentioned that you want to get people informally mentoring, labelling some bugs easy-fix and committing to helping people fix them. Formalizing the mentorship and outreach team is a good idea and we have already created outreach-l...@gnome.org to steer the effort. At the same time, everyone in GNOME should consider informally mentoring newcomers, marking bugs that they can help a newcomer fix with the gnome-love keyword, signing up for the gnome-l...@gnome.org mailing list, and hanging out in the #gnome-love IRC channel. Recently, we used the list of mentors we already had for the Outreach Program for Women to start a more general list of GNOME mentors who are willing to informally mentor any newcomer any time throughout the year. We encourage everyone to add their projects and themselves to that list! http://live.gnome.org/GnomeLove/Mentors dneary So is mentorship something that every GNOME developer should be doing? Or do you think it's a skill that we need to develop among a team of people? I absolutely think every established GNOME developer should act as a mentor. By established GNOME developer, I mean anyone who has Git commit rights. People are usually very helpful on IRC when specific questions are asked related to the task someone is trying to accomplish, but we should also be helpful by directing newcomers in what bug to fix first and what resources to read. This is what mentoring is about and anyone can do this within the project area they are knowledgeable about. dneary How about every-day activities? Is there a need to spread the load around? Who keeps watch to make sure we're not dropping the pace? Having many GNOME contributors act as mentors on the every day basis will spread the load around. In addition to being able to ask mentors from the list on the GNOME Love wiki page for help, newcomers can ask for help in being connected to mentors on the gnome-l...@gnome.org mailing list and #gnome-love IRC channel. There are people on the mailing list and in the channel who ensure that all newcomers know what steps to take next. - Original Message - From: Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org To: Marina Zhurakhinskaya mari...@redhat.com Cc: Juanjo Marin juanjomari...@yahoo.es, Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.com, ka...@gnome.org Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 2:20:45 PM Subject: Re: Annual report - can I interview you? Hi Marina et al, Here's a straight transcript of our follow-up IRC chat - I'm hoping to get time to edit all this into a nice article before flying to Ireland on Monday, if not, then either someone else CCed might be able to help? Or it'll have to wait until I get back from holidays. Thanks for all your time and effort! Cheers, Dave. dneary So - Hi Marina! You mentioned that you joined Red Hat in 2006. Did you find it tricky, as a woman, to join an Open Source company? marina Hi Dave! dneary Hi marina Not at all. I was in the computer science club since 8th grade, got a Computer Science degree at MIT, and have been working as a software engineer since, so I am used to working with mostly men. Everyone at Red Hat and in the GNOME community has been very professional, so I didn't run in into any issues. dneary How about when you joined the GNOME team? marina GNOME is a very mature and friendly community, so there were no issues their either. My main challenge has been feeling that I don't know things that are obvious to other people. For example, upstream has been a mystery word to me for many years, which I kept trying to parse out from the context. s/their/there dneary Interesting! So - what issues did you want to address when running the Women's Outreach Program? Do you know why Diego asked you to lead it? marina I wanted to reach more women with information about how exciting and valuable work on GNOME and other free software projects is. dneary Has it been a good experience running it? marina We just came from the Gran Canaria Desktop Summit, which took place in July 2009, and it was evident to me and others how few women there were in the GNOME community. I could count 4, including myself, on a group picture of about 160 GNOME attendees. Perhaps Diego and other people on the board
(2/3) Fwd: Re: Annual report - can I interview you?
Hi all, Email 2 of 3 re Marina interview for annual report. Cheers, Dave. Original Message Subject: Re: Annual report - can I interview you? Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 01:18:46 -0500 (EST) From: Marina Zhurakhinskaya mari...@redhat.com To: Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org CC: Juanjo Marin juanjomari...@yahoo.es, Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.com,ka...@gnome.org Hi Dave, Sorry about being a bit late with these. Let me know what time you would like to talk on IRC tomorrow (Tuesday) or any other day. Any time after 11am EST tomorrow should work for me. Thanks! Marina Q. Marina, you've co-ordinated the GNOME Outreach Program for Women for the past two years. Can you tell us how you got involved in GNOME yourself? I joined Red Hat six years ago to work on a social networking product after seeing a posting from the team's manager on LinkedIn. I had used Linux through my college years and at my previous job, but I didn't have any experience contributing to free software. In fact, I remember puzzling over why there was a choice between two options - GNOME and KDE - at the login screen of my Red Hat Enterprise Linux workstation at my previous job, and wondering how was I supposed to know which one to pick. Four years ago my original team was merged into the desktop team and I started working on GNOME. With many great GNOME contributors out there, it's uncommon for the desktop team to hire someone who is not an established contributor, so the fact that I ended up working on GNOME is a happy coincidence. Q. How did you end up co-ordinating the Outreach Program for Women? In August 2009, I received an e-mail from Diego Escalante Urrelo, on behalf of the GNOME Board of Directors, asking me to organize the outreach effort. Having just come from the Gran Canaria Desktop Summit, it was very evident to me and others how few women there were in the GNOME community. There are just 4 women in this[1] GNOME group picture of about 160. Two other women are Stormy Peters and Rosanna Yuen, who worked for the GNOME Foundation. The third woman is Alia Merali, who joined her husband in attending several GUADECs and helped with organizing GUADEC in Barcelona in 2006. It was very exciting to me to have the mandate and the support of the GNOME Foundation to involve more women in the GNOME community. We started out by doing a round of introductions on the gnome-women-list @gnome.org, putting together a page with mentors who can help women start contributing to GNOME, working with the FSF on creating resources and recommendations for encouraging women to get involved in free software, creating an issue of the GNOME Journal with articles by women, discussing the 2006 Women's Summer Outreach Program with its organizers Hanna Wallach and Chris Ball, following up with that program's participants, and encouraging women to apply for Google Summer of Code and connecting them with mentors. When we only ended up having one female participant in Google Summer of Code that year, we decided to create the dedicated internship opportunities for women. There were 15 and 23 women respectively at the GNOME women's dinners at GUADEC in 2010 and the Desktop Summit in 2011. So the outreach effort has definitely worked. [1] http://images49.fotki.com/v856/filevUZx/7142f/7/441267/7802004/081.jpg Q. Has it been easy to convince people to mentor projects? What proportion of the mentors are male? People who were involved in organizing the program were the original mentors and provided the initial participants with a reasonable choice of projects to contribute to. We have been encouraging people in the GNOME community to sign up as mentors throughout, but seeing the work of the initial participants was likely the most effective encouragement that got people to add themselves to the list. Because pairing up participants with mentors is one of the key components of the program, I occasionally had to ask people about mentoring specific projects. They were usually happy to help. For the first round, we started out with 8 projects and 9 mentors, out of these 3 were women. For the latest, third round, we had 18 project and 27 mentors, with 7 women among them. So about 70% of mentors are men, which is expected, since we need the help of everyone in the community in mentoring the participants. Two of the women who participated in the program as interns, Luciana Fujii Pontello and Ekaterina Gerasimova, have now become mentors. Q. Do you think we're doing a good job as mentors in the GNOME community? What could we be doing better? We have a lot of resources for someone who wants to start contributing to GNOME and people are generally happy to help, but we need to have more people taking an active role in informally mentoring newcomers. It'd be great if there were more people hanging out on #gnome-love and answering questions there. It'd also be great if people suggested
Re: (2/3) Fwd: Re: Annual report - can I interview you?
Hi, If you think so, I'm delighted to concur! I thought that some editing and a little narrative would make for a better article, but I'm happy to bow to your superior availability ;-) Thank you! Dave. On 05/30/2012 04:41 PM, Emily Gonyer wrote: Hi again, honestly, I think it'd be fine in the annual report as a simple Q A - theres a ton of great info here already, and aside from adding more info directly related to the OPW I'm not sure what would be needed. If its all right with you, I'll work on getting it edited for grammar/spelling/etc and stuck on the wiki as such in the next day or two. Emily On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 6:26 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org mailto:dne...@gnome.org wrote: Hi all, Email 2 of 3 re Marina interview for annual report. Cheers, Dave. Original Message Subject: Re: Annual report - can I interview you? Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 01:18:46 -0500 (EST) From: Marina Zhurakhinskaya mari...@redhat.com mailto:mari...@redhat.com To: Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org mailto:dne...@gnome.org CC: Juanjo Marin juanjomari...@yahoo.es mailto:juanjomari...@yahoo.es, Emily Gonyer emilyyr...@gmail.com mailto:emilyyr...@gmail.com, ka...@gnome.org mailto:ka...@gnome.org Hi Dave, Sorry about being a bit late with these. Let me know what time you would like to talk on IRC tomorrow (Tuesday) or any other day. Any time after 11am EST tomorrow should work for me. Thanks! Marina Q. Marina, you've co-ordinated the GNOME Outreach Program for Women for the past two years. Can you tell us how you got involved in GNOME yourself? I joined Red Hat six years ago to work on a social networking product after seeing a posting from the team's manager on LinkedIn. I had used Linux through my college years and at my previous job, but I didn't have any experience contributing to free software. In fact, I remember puzzling over why there was a choice between two options - GNOME and KDE - at the login screen of my Red Hat Enterprise Linux workstation at my previous job, and wondering how was I supposed to know which one to pick. Four years ago my original team was merged into the desktop team and I started working on GNOME. With many great GNOME contributors out there, it's uncommon for the desktop team to hire someone who is not an established contributor, so the fact that I ended up working on GNOME is a happy coincidence. Q. How did you end up co-ordinating the Outreach Program for Women? In August 2009, I received an e-mail from Diego Escalante Urrelo, on behalf of the GNOME Board of Directors, asking me to organize the outreach effort. Having just come from the Gran Canaria Desktop Summit, it was very evident to me and others how few women there were in the GNOME community. There are just 4 women in this[1] GNOME group picture of about 160. Two other women are Stormy Peters and Rosanna Yuen, who worked for the GNOME Foundation. The third woman is Alia Merali, who joined her husband in attending several GUADECs and helped with organizing GUADEC in Barcelona in 2006. It was very exciting to me to have the mandate and the support of the GNOME Foundation to involve more women in the GNOME community. We started out by doing a round of introductions on the gnome-women-list @gnome.org http://gnome.org, putting together a page with mentors who can help women start contributing to GNOME, working with the FSF on creating resources and recommendations for encouraging women to get involved in free software, creating an issue of the GNOME Journal with articles by women, discussing the 2006 Women's Summer Outreach Program with its organizers Hanna Wallach and Chris Ball, following up with that program's participants, and encouraging women to apply for Google Summer of Code and connecting them with mentors. When we only ended up having one female participant in Google Summer of Code that year, we decided to create the dedicated internship opportunities for women. There were 15 and 23 women respectively at the GNOME women's dinners at GUADEC in 2010 and the Desktop Summit in 2011. So the outreach effort has definitely worked. [1] http://images49.fotki.com/v856/filevUZx/7142f/7/441267/7802004/081.jpg Q. Has it been easy to convince people to mentor projects? What proportion of the mentors are male? People who were involved in organizing the program were the original mentors and provided the initial participants with a reasonable choice of projects to contribute to. We have been encouraging people in the GNOME community to sign up as mentors throughout, but seeing the work of the initial participants was likely the most effective encouragement that got people to add themselves to the list. Because pairing up
Re: SELF
Hi Bryen, On 06/02/2012 11:15 PM, Bryen M Yunashko wrote: I'll be at SELF, but working the openSUSE booth. And FYI, KDE will also have a booth there. I assumed, wrongly, that GNOME was going to have a booth there. :-/ This is, I think, part of the problem. Every conference I've been to has had a decent number of GNOME people there manning stands - the OpenSUSE stand, the Ubuntu stand, the Fedora stand, the Mozilla stand, the Collabora stand... When Sri says that we don't have many people in the Sounth West, I may be wrong, but I'm betting he's thinking of corporate offices. Somehow, GNOME users developers self-identify more strongly with other groups than with GNOME now. Or at least, it seems that way to me. Is that a legacy of having more paid developers, and the unpaid contributors not feeling the ownership/authority to represent the brand? I don't know if my analysis is correct, and if it is, I don't know how to help fix it. All I can say is, there are a *lot* of GNOME people in the South East. Especially in North Carolina (there is a Red Hat office in Raleigh). But I don't know many of them. I know Ken Van Dine ived in that part of the world though - perhaps he knows more people specifically? Cheers, Dave. PS. In Europe, it is the local chapters who request stand space for GNOME - and the GNOME Foundation is often unaware of either the conference or the stand. Is it a requirement to be effective that these requests come through us centrally? I know I've regretted that we don't have regional GNOME groups in the US in the past. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Commit-Digest
Hi Alex, git log module with the appropriate arguments (date, include diffs, etc) will give you all the information you need. Something like gitdm will parse and summarise the information for you, but if you want to do a week-by-week or month-by-month summary, you'll either need to script your git logs, or do some hacking to extract the relevant bits from the logs. Cheers, Dave. On 06/04/2012 03:56 PM, alex diavatis wrote: Hello, I was wondering how can extract the commits data from gnome git similar the way that http://blogs.gnome.org/commitdigest/ does, in order to make some html5 pies charts, just to compare the development per week/month/year/version. I prefer some json or xml so I can take it online at real time. Thank you! -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Interviews please? :)
Hi, On 06/07/2012 10:14 AM, alex diavatis wrote: On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org mailto:dne...@gnome.org wrote: Perhaps not the board, but I think the idea of short blog-sized interviews going out weekly is a great idea. We need a list of interviewees and volunteer interviewers, and someone watching out for people we can add to the list/bump to the top as current news requires.\ There is no need to complicate things :) We would like to have interviews with developers from specific projects: gtk/clutter porting to wayland, mutter/shell, epiphany, boxes, online accounts -as priority. I asked also BoD because, it would be nice if someone could talk about the marketing goals of GNOME. But in general yes we want in a weekly base people from GNOME to talk on public. It's not - but you still need a list. gtk/clutter to Wayland: Emmanuele Bassi maybe? mutter/shell: Owen Taylor, Jon McCann, Jasper St. Pierre, Florian Muellner? Epiphany: Xan Lopez, Claudio Saavedra Boxes: Zeeshan Ali Online accounts: No idea. BoD (outgoing): Brian Cameron, Emmanuele Bassi, Bastien Nocera, Ryan Lortie, Stormy Peters, Shaun McCance, German Poo Caamano Executive director: Karen Sandler I'm afraid not! That list was put together originally in 2006, partially updated in 2008, and as Juanjo said, he updated details on 1 or 2 deployments this year. But we're lacking a good way to find out about reference deployments of GNOME because a lot of them are Red Hat Enterprise deployments or Suse Linux. We've actually had more success getting references from Suse and Ubuntu than from Red Hat for some reason. Not sure why that is. Maybe the guys from RH could give us some info about the deployments they do, or it is secret? :) You put a smiley, but yes, it often is. Clients have to give permission to Red Hat before they can talk about them. I can dig around now I'm inside and see if I can come up with some good GNOME-related interviews case studies we may use. I don't think we've ever had stickers to sell, but we often print out sticker sheets for conferences. Perhaps someone from gnome-fr or GNOME can send you some, if we have an address. At some point a GNOME online store wouldn't be bad idea, not for the profit but everyone has one :) I will ask Greek GNOME ambassador for it then. May I ask who we is? Hmm? I am referring to wogue blog if is that what you asking Yes - I meant are you saying we as in gnome marketing with weekly interviews for the GNOME News blog, or we as in some external site. Seems to be the latter. Thanks for clearing that up. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Interviews please? :)
Hi, On 06/07/2012 11:09 AM, alex diavatis wrote: Yes - I meant are you saying we as in gnome marketing with weekly interviews for the GNOME News blog, or we as in some external site. Seems to be the latter. Thanks for clearing that up. Yes I was talking about wogue, but that doesn't mean that won't be nice if you do it for the GNOME page. But for some unknown to me reason you don't keep an active blog. That's why we begin wogue. We don't do great, but we ll do better in a while :) I was hoping that you meant we as in GNOME. I think interviews for the GNOME news page is an excellent idea, for example, as is refreshing the testimonials references page. Your we want to run a bug opening contest threw me off though. May I suggest that if you want to take on the interviews that you do them for gnome.org and reprint to wogue? Thanks, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME Quarterly Report Q2/2012
Hi, On 06/30/2012 08:22 PM, Andre Klapper wrote: it's time again for a quarterly GNOME report to let community and companies know what has been going on between April and June 2012. Please update your section for Q2/2012 here: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/QuarterlyReports/2012/Q2 The list of potential teams and writers: snip Just to turn this on its head for a second, can we come at this from another angle? Instead of identifying teams who should report, how about we think about what's happened that might be newsworthy, and then figure out who's best placed to report on it? The stuff that comes to mind for me is: * Board elections + review of last board year * GUADEC 2013 call for hosts out (and, related, no Desktop Summit in 2013) * GUADEC 2012 keynotes to be announced * Half-way point in Women's Outreach Program * GNOME in Google Summer of Code Anything else? I haven't been following too closely this quarter. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Interviews and Gnomers
Hi, On 07/06/2012 04:34 PM, alex diavatis wrote: Do yo want me to wait till you print them these on Gnome org, and then I will re-print in Wogue This sounds great! Further more, can I somehow get faces thumbs of all regular contributor of Gnome in last year (excluding the guys they do docs coz that would be impossible) together with some info like their name, location, age(maybe) and other? You can get face thumbs for most prominent GNOME contributors from Planet GNOME. Other than that, I suggest that you email the individuals directly. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Interviews and Gnomers
Hi Alex, Allan Day can tell us who is an editor for GNOME News. I'll not apologise for not answering you quickly on a Friday evening! Dave. alex diavatis alexis.diava...@gmail.com wrote: Hello! As I haven't an answer back yet, is it ok to publish Elena's interview and you can collect it when you're ready on Gnome.org? Do you want me to signed it as This interview is made for Gnome Foundation or something? - alex On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Andreas Nilsson li...@andreasn.se wrote: On 07/07/2012 12:12 AM, alex diavatis wrote: I just posted (private) Elena's interview at http://worldofgnome.org/elena-**petrevska-about-new-gnomeweb-**interview/http://worldofgnome.org/elena-petrevska-about-new-gnomeweb-interview/ p: elena-gnome If you want to use it in Gnome before we publish it! Hi Alex! I found two small spelling errors in the article. Liveo.gnme.org - live.gnome.org. Andreas Nillson - Andreas Nilsson - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/**mailman/listinfo/marketing-**listhttps://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Interviews and Gnomers
Hi Allan, I asked Alex whether he'd be prepared to be an author on GNOME News, so these are being submitted for publication on gnome.org/news - do you not think that's a good idea? I thought we were actively looking for authors for original material for the news site. Thanks, Dave. On 07/09/2012 07:37 PM, Allan Day wrote: Hey Alex, alex diavatis alexis.diava...@gmail.com wrote: ... As I haven't an answer back yet, is it ok to publish Elena's interview and you can collect it when you're ready on Gnome.org? Do you want me to signed it as This interview is made for Gnome Foundation or something? My advice would be to publish when you're ready. If we want to publicise the interview, we can post something on gnome.org with a link to your site. You don't need to attribute to the GNOME Foundation or anything - you've done the work; it's your interview. Thanks for your work! Allan -- IRC: aday on irc.gnome.org Blog: http://afaikblog.wordpress.com/ -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME News
Hi, On 07/18/2012 10:17 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 3:18 AM, Allan Day allanp...@gmail.com mailto:allanp...@gmail.com wrote: A key goal here needs to be keeping any system we have a simple and lightweight as possible, while still ensuring a regular stream of engaging and high-quality posts. Some ideas: * We aim to have about three posts a week, including a mix of short and long posts on different subjects I'm not sure if that is sustainable. We will need a larger pool of volunteers to do this I think. (which is good for me, because I think we have bought in a bunch of people, but we lose them because there is no work to be done) It depends on what you are posting - 3 detailed blog posts a week, I'd agree. But if you have one longer piece (like 600-1200 words) and two shorter call-outs to either interesting GNOME community blogs, or mailing lists threads, or 3rd party articles, with a couple of sentences of context and commentary, it is not a lot of work. And if we really do manage to spread the load (say, shifts of 2-3 people who own shorter posts for a week, with different people each week, and someone gently reminding the weekly editors) I think it could work. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: push back on negative articles
Hi, On 08/21/2012 09:43 PM, Bruce Byfield wrote: One more thing I forgot to mention: if your marketing team wants to some media training, I'd be happy to set something up. I've participated in some very successful ones via IRC, with one channel for the main discussion and another for comments and questions. I could probably enlist one or two other FOSS journalists, too. My suggestion for a format: 10-15 minutes of opening statements by journalists and/or media experts, followed by the answering of questions. It would also be useful to have someone who does nothing but moderate. Any interest? I bet there would be. I previously put together with Jennifer Cloer a media training session at the Linux Foundation collaboration summit (Zonker came in and gave some tips from the press side, Jennifer talked a little bit more about putting together a communications strategy, and the pitfalls to avoid - things like calling journalists trolls ;-) ) - and discussed with Stormy whether we should do one at GUADEC too - there was some interest, but it didn't happen during the Desktop Summit in Berlin. I'd personally love to see something a bit longer (like a full day), with, for example, some mock interviews, with a group preparing for the interview beforehand, then giving it, and then commenting afterwards on the success of the spokesperson re staying on message, preparing press talking points, and putting together a press pack, how to generally gather a list of journalists, build relationships with them, and stay on top of media mentions, etc. Thoughts? Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary GNOME Foundation member dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: push back on negative articles
Hi, On 08/23/2012 01:46 AM, Bruce Byfield wrote: You think far more amibitiously than me. The reason I suggested an online session was to take advantage of an immediate interest. But with a few months to set up, I think a really successful seminar could be put together. If anyone in GNOME is interested in planning the seminar, I could help by enlisting journalists and PR specialists and assisting with a schedule. Oh - I didn't realise you were thinking about an online session. Yes, that makes a great deal of sense. Cheers, Dave. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Publishing in Linux Format
Hi, On 09/17/2012 01:18 AM, Emily Gonyer wrote: Whats the deadline? The deadline for October is last Friday (but perhaps we can still get in if we send something today or tomorrow - would need to ask Graham to be sure). After that, it's a deadline every 4 weeks (they do 13 issues per year). We can of course ask for the next deadline every month. What format (PDF, ODT, etc) do they want/need I imagine text or html would be fine - they will be laying out the magazine afterwards, so something they can copy paste from is likely to be best. articles to be in? 550 words isn't that many, and certainly sounds do-able. Highlighting one application or event a month (ie, Boston Summit for October), with screenshots and/or event photos. Perhaps if/when we did an application we could also do a short interview with one of the developers of it. Yeah, that's what I thought. Perhaps we could rotate - developer profile, GNOME application/shell extension of the month, news, announcement or event if it's appropriate. If we're asking for ideas to seed the application list, I'd suggest: GNOME Extensions: * Dash to Dock * Battery time remaining * Alternative Status Menu * Task Bar * Axe Menu GNOME applications: * GNOME Boxes * Pinta * MyPaint * Pinpoint * SimpleScan * Geary * BlueFish * OpenShot Also, I thought Sri had a couple of articles held back that we'd talked about using for getting the GNOME Journal going again a couple months ago, though I'm not sure what ever became of them. Wasn't the plan to regularly publish original content to GNOME News? I'm confused about the Journal News. We have this conversation every so often, and it seems like different people draw different conclusions every time. Can someone give me the Ladybird version of their current understanding of our plans for GNOME News, please? Thanks, Dave. -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 2012 Annual Report
Hi, I hate to be a broken record... What do we have to talk about this year? What do we want to get people excited about for next year? Start with that, the contents of the report and the best people to write the articles may fall out easily. Cheers, Dave. On 11/05/2012 05:12 PM, Karen Sandler wrote: On Mon, November 5, 2012 8:59 am, Emily Gonyer wrote: We're coming up on the end of 2012 which means we need to start thinking about the 2012 Annual Report. Good thinking! :) How should we start? Last time we established a committee to run it, but maybe this time we should come up with key areas (or articles) to cover as a group and then ask for volunteers to own them and coordinate working with other contributors on it? What do you think? karen -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: community managers
Hi Sri, On 11/13/2012 12:17 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: But I am looking for some good people who can fill the role of community manager. Clearly, we have a problem relating to our user base and some of the decisions have become more controversial than it needs to be. Just for the sake of clarity, it sounds like you're suggesting an unpaid volunteer position to co-ordinate the promotion, website maintenance and welcome committee for the GNOME project. Is that correct? I like the idea of having some people who give more time to marketing and the other tasks. Not sure it would be called a community manager in the context of GNOME, and certainly I don't think that a GNOME community manager would be quite so invested with authority as Dawn Foster was for MeeGo and Tizen, for example. Let me know if you are interested. I will make a similar note on foundation list. Perhaps this kind of marketing role is something which could be fulfilled by the GNOME Foundation? We've paid for interns before, but a longer term full-time position under the ED would allow for us to structure our efforts, take care of all those no-one is giving it time and love stuff we all agree needs to get done... it is only a question of money, I think. I don't know if we'll have success finding one individual to take on all that responsibility as a part-time unpaid volunteer. Perhaps a group working together could do it... Or a paid individual. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: community managers
Hi, On 11/13/2012 06:53 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: As a project, we are having trouble communicating our vision because everything gets lost in a sea of vitriol due to past actions or perceived actions. For instance, removing fallback is seen as yet again the GNOME project is removing a feature instead of an act of maintenance and sustainability. I think that as a project, we have had trouble communicating our vision, because as a project we are not sure what it is. There is a part of the project that has a very clear idea of their vision, but that vision has either not been clearly expressed, or what has been expressed has not got clear support from the community of contributors in the project. For instance, the insistence that theming will damage our brand, or that Cinnamon is not GNOME 3, has led to missed opportunities for the GNOME project, and has not got grass roots support among the GNOME community (and I'm not talking about users here, I'm talking about contributors - developers, translators, user group co-ordinators, and marketers). After all, GNOME design doesn't have any authority but is able to convince maintainers that doing their approach is best for their application. I disagree with your analogy. I'm envisioning a team of 10 volunteers. 10 volunteers who start out as community managers and then hopefully will be interested in doing other things within the project. I currently have four as of right now. Need to recruit six more! Sounds like a plan, and we certainly need to do something to stop the rot. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 2012 Annual Report
Hi, On 11/06/2012 02:57 PM, Emily Gonyer wrote: Dave, good points! Off the top of my head, I can think of several things we have to talk about this year: GSoC/OPW GNOME's 15th birthday Hackfests/Conferences (FOSDEM, CeBIT, GUADEC, LinuxTag, GNOME.Asia, Boston Summit, OLF and a multitude of hackfests) FOG Accessibility Campaign The usual bug fixes, foundaiton member stats, etc. I offer to do an article on the Travelling GNOME: https://live.gnome.org/TravellingGnome That little guy sure has some stories to tell. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: community managers
Hi Jon, On 11/15/2012 09:12 PM, William Jon McCann wrote: On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Dave Neary wrote: I think that as a project, we have had trouble communicating our vision, because as a project we are not sure what it is. I think this is the main thing I wanted to say. I have been involved in the GNOME project, albeit not as a core developer or module maintainer, since 2004. And I do not understand our vision. What is the dream that we're selling, and why should I be excited about it? For instance, the insistence that theming will damage our brand, or that Cinnamon is not GNOME 3, has led to missed opportunities for the GNOME project, and has not got grass roots support among the GNOME community (and I'm not talking about users here, I'm talking about contributors - developers, translators, user group co-ordinators, and marketers). Let's be clear then. Cinnamon is not GNOME 3. I understand that is your position. And I understand that as the maintainer and primary designer of GNOME Shell, you have a lot of weight in holding that position. I think it's a shame that Cinnamon users don't realise, for the most part, that they are using GNOME Shell, and the rest of the GNOME 3 stack. I think that it's a shame that we have apparently gone out of our way to put a barrier between ourselves and the Cinnamon/Mint guys by saying you're not GNOME 3. The message we're sending is, your help is not wanted, we don't like what you're doing. Personally, I think that it'd be cool to have our community be the community of people who can go wild on the platform - let a thousand flowers bloom. That the core GNOME project is solid and useful, but that we encourage experimentation, respins, freedom for our users. That seems inconsistent with the current GNOME messaging. The discussion of brand was in relation to the stability of extensions and the impact on the user experience - and was taken out of context. Neither of these have led to missed opportunities. Continuing to misrepresent or misunderstand what we are trying to do and trying to say doesn't help us communicate our vision, does it? I certainly misunderstand what you are trying to do. I don't think I know what the GNOME 3 vision is. Would you mind helping me understand better? Thanks, Dave. -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
foundation.gnome.org
Hi, Foundation.gnome.org is currently showing the GUADEC welcome page - could it redirect to www.gnome.org/foundation instead, please? Thanks! Dave. -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@free.fr / Jabber: nea...@gmail.com Ph: +33 950 71 55 62 / Cell: +33 6 77 01 92 13 -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing Meeting - Wednesday November 28, 2012 at 20:00 UTC
Hi Allan, On 11/28/2012 12:20 AM, Allan Day wrote: Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: Here's dial-in information: PSTN: +1-718-247-9666 SIP: sip:c...@sfconservancy.onsip.com PIN: 2592 For those of us outside of the US: is there a way to dial in without having to make an international call? Twinkle is pretty good if you have a headset: http://www.twinklephone.com/ If you have an Android phone, sipdroid will let you make SIP calls with it. I got an IP phone from work as a remote employee, and French ISPs have been including unlimited calls to the US in the subscription for several years now, so I don't really worry about things like that any more... sorry :-) Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
GNOME in the press
Hi, I may only do this once, but I've added it to my calendar as a weekly thing. Let's see how it goes... (in general, we're taking some knocks, so this is going to be hard sometimes - if people don't like to see this let me know, but I think it's better to at least be aware of who's writing about us, and what they're saying). Here's a summary of GNOME in the news for the last few days (courtesy of Google News Alerts). It covers a week, and so does not include Bruce's article, but does include SJVN's: The H: GNOME Foundation announces the next two GUADEC venues http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/GNOME-Foundation-announces-the-next-two-GUADEC-venues-1754536.html PCWorld: GNOME: The traditional Linux desktop is coming back http://www.pcworld.com/article/2016550/gnome-the-traditional-linux-desktop-is-coming-back.html ZDNet: GNOME: Can this Linux desktop be saved? http://www.zdnet.com/gnome-can-this-linux-desktop-be-saved-707856/ PCWorld: With 'Cinnarch,' Arch Linux gets a sprinkle of Cinnamon: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2017162/with-cinnarch-arch-linux-gets-a-sprinkle-of-cinnamon.html Ars Technica: F18 beta releases with GNOME 2 fork MATE (kinda): http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/11/fedora-18-beta-almost-brings-mate-alternative-to-gnome-desktop/ ZDNet: F18 Beta finally released: http://www.zdnet.com/fedora-linux-18-beta-finally-released-707978/ ITWire: GNOME finally pays some attention to users (Sam Varchese picking up on Bruce Byfield SJVN's articles): http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/57679-gnome-finally-pays-some-attention-to-users The H: Second beta of GNOME 3.8 brings global search configuration: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Second-beta-of-GNOME-3-8-brings-global-search-configuration-1757279.html Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@free.fr / Jabber: nea...@gmail.com Ph: +33 950 71 55 62 / Cell: +33 6 77 01 92 13 -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing Meeting Minutes
Hi, On 11/30/2012 12:20 PM, Allan Day wrote: - Tentative agreement for Karen to reach out to the Tor Project (https://www.torproject.org) and others for a campaign related to Privacy and Security. I've had a bit of a think about Tor integration from a design point of view, and have filed a bug [1] against Settings. It could make sense, but it will need more research before we can make a decision. I assume everyone has heard about this by now? http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/11/tor-operator-charged-for-child-porn-transmitted-over-his-servers/ Tor will be a big battleground over the next year - with all sorts of repercussions for Net Neutrality, privacy on the net and the ability to avoid tracking, versus law enforcement and facilitation of illegal activity. I would be very happy to see GNOME take a strong stance in defence of personal liberty and freedom from tracking - I think there's a huge opportunity for us to team up with groups like Mozilla and EFF, who are thinking a lot about the issue of tracking on the web, and make a group effort to defend projects like Tor against persecution by law enforcement, with the end result of a practical erosion of our freedoms. The frame is being set - if you're for Tor you're for child pornography. We cannot allow the message to be set in this way, we need to tell another story, one of Big Brother and protecting our children from predators on the internet with projects like ghostery and collusion: http://www.ted.com/talks/gary_kovacs_tracking_the_trackers.html Who's with me? Should we reach out to Gary Kovacs and others at Mozilla and EFF to see if we can't help create an Alliance for Personal Internet Liberty? Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: FOSDEM 2013 - GNOME Stand
Hi, On 11/24/2012 02:47 AM, Tobias Mueller wrote: Could anyone register GNOME for a stand? It's seems to be quite simple: https://fosdem.org/2013/call_for_stands/ We could also try to have some prominent GNOME talks placed: https://fosdem.org/2013/call_for_main_speakers/ Does anybody have an idea for a great speaker? It'd be cool, if you could use the wiki page over here this year: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeEvents/FOSDEM/2013 Will anyone organise a GNOME Beer Event? This comes up every year, and every year someone mentions that GNOME-fr has taken care of reserving a GNOME stand for the past X years. Christophe, Fred, do either of you know if we already have a stand request in? Perhaps it might be an idea to hand off organisation of the stand to the foundation - but as the local group has taken care of it up to now, perhaps it's OK just to co-ordinate with them about what we want to do? Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
GNOME in the press - 2012-12-05
Hi all, Here's the second weekly round up of news articles on the internet about GNOME. The H: Fedora 18 Beta adds MATE and Cinnamon desktops: http://www.h-online.com/news/item/Fedora-18-Beta-adds-MATE-and-Cinnamon-desktops-1758243.html Linux Magazine Online: Why I prefer KDE http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/Why-I-Prefer-KDE LinuxInsider.com: Return of the King: GNOME 2 Is Making Its Way Back: http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Return-of-the-King-GNOME-2-Is-Making-Its-Way-Back-76753.html DataMation: GNOME's Next Step: http://www.datamation.com/open-source/gnomes-next-step-1.html -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@free.fr / Jabber: nea...@gmail.com Ph: +33 950 71 55 62 / Cell: +33 6 77 01 92 13 -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: GNOME in the press - 2012-12-05
On 12/05/2012 11:05 AM, Olav Vitters wrote: On Wed, Dec 05, 2012 at 09:01:57AM +0100, Dave Neary wrote: LinuxInsider.com: Return of the King: GNOME 2 Is Making Its Way Back: http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/Return-of-the-King-GNOME-2-Is-Making-Its-Way-Back-76753.html WTF. An article consisting of opinions of people on slashdot and sites such as Linux Rant as well as random people on Google+? This aside from getting the basics wrong. It was not about getting GNOME 2 back. I just copy paste links from Google Alerts which are not about garden gnomes (actually, garden gnome articles outnumber GNOME articles by about 2 to 1). Perhaps we should blame the journalist for not doing his research - he'll know better next time. Dave. -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: marketing meeting next week!
Hi, On 12/08/2012 03:29 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: It shows that we can't seem to get a decent experience using VOIP. Gosh if we only had some telepathy people who can help out in this. :-) You know, I bet there are a bunch of them hanging out on a different mailing list :-) Maybe http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/telepathy would be a good place to ask? Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
GNOME in the press - 12/12/12
Anti-ambiguity date! Slow news week for GNOME this week... tail end of F18 ships with MATE news. Also, bonus article on an adopt-a-gnome scheme! Dave. ZDNet: MATE (Gnome 2) on the way to Fedora 18: http://www.zdnet.com/mate-gnome-2-on-the-way-to-fedora-18-708165/ Waterloo Cedar Falls Courier: Adopt-a-Gnome program to raise funds for arboretum: http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/adopt-a-gnome-program-to-raise-funds-for-arboretum/article_84fcc4f0-42bb-11e2-9976-001a4bcf887a.html?comment_form=true -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@free.fr / Jabber: nea...@gmail.com Ph: +33 950 71 55 62 / Cell: +33 6 77 01 92 13 -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing Minutes December 13, 2012
Hi, Sorry I couldn't attend - a sick son bedtime meant that 8pm yesterday was rush hour in the Neary household. On 12/14/2012 03:24 PM, Emily Gonyer wrote: Sri: Theres a common wisdom that GNOME will throw out features and are unfriendly. We've let others tell our story for us. As a result, most of the press we receive is negative, focusing on GNOME 3's failures and shortcomings. Andreas: Whats the biggest drawback of this perception? I would say that the biggest draw-back of this perception is that we are not growing as a developer community, because we're seen as a conservative project where code is as likely to be rejected as accepted once the work is done, it's not clear how to get pre-approval before developing something that it'll be accepted. We have also had a couple of examples of new applications being built which compete with existing apps, and the process for choosing has been unclear - Photos Shotwell comes to mind, as do Files and Zeitgeist. I think this is also hurting the GNOME ISV community (such as it is). In addition, the reputation of GNOME as a conservative project is worse in the platform, with the result that we have few developers working on the foundations of the project at this point. I don't have any good answers to how to turn this around, but it seems to me that these are the biggest costs of the reputation - because if we don't figure out how to grow our developer community, the rest doesn't matter. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Marketing Minutes December 13, 2012
Hi, On 12/14/2012 07:29 PM, Seif Lotfy wrote: I would like to correct something here. Zeitgeist is not a file browser and has no UI anymore. It is just a History storage for the user. What you are talking about is the Activity Journal, which is now not needed and thus dead. Indeed. I was, more specifically, thinking of the Finding reminding work which you Federico did together. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Slow news week
Hi, I didn't send the GNOME in the News review this week - for the simple reason that (unless I'm mistaken) I did not see one news item going by about us this week. Emily, did you see anything I missed? Whether that is bad or good, I will leave to the appreciation of others :-) Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@free.fr / Jabber: nea...@gmail.com Ph: +33 950 71 55 62 / Cell: +33 6 77 01 92 13 -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: moving marketing meeting to Tuesdays instead of Wednesday
On 01/11/2013 12:12 PM, Allan Day wrote: Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: Does anybody have a problem with attendance if we move the marketing meeting from Wednesday to Tuesday at 20:00 UTC? That would actually work better for me. Although, since it's an evening it is hard for me to commit to always making it. Idem for me. It's better, but not perfect :) At least there's a chance I could make it once on a Tuesday. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: moving marketing meeting to Tuesdays instead of Wednesday
Hi Emily, Speaking only for myself, the time-slot will always be problematic - on Wednesdays I will never be available, on other nights, it is possible, but kids need to be put to bed, stories need to be told, etc. 8pm is rush hour in the Neary household. 7pm would be better (with the exception of Wednesday). Cheers, Dave. On 01/11/2013 02:05 PM, Emily Gonyer wrote: Dave, Allan, would any evening be better for you two? Would even an hour or two earlier be helpful? Emily On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 6:14 AM, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: On 01/11/2013 12:12 PM, Allan Day wrote: Sriram Ramkrishna s...@ramkrishna.me wrote: Does anybody have a problem with attendance if we move the marketing meeting from Wednesday to Tuesday at 20:00 UTC? That would actually work better for me. Although, since it's an evening it is hard for me to commit to always making it. Idem for me. It's better, but not perfect :) At least there's a chance I could make it once on a Tuesday. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Revisiting rewards for the FoG campaigns
Hi, On 02/11/2013 08:56 PM, Andreas Nilsson wrote: On 2013-02-11 19:19, Rosanna Yuen wrote: but it was decided that that was too many options, especially when we added the subscription format. Also, considering the postage, the price points were too low. What is our lowest price point before we make a loss? While it's goog to be aware of this, I think it's important to underline that people aren't buying a t-shirt - not even a special edition t-shirt they can't get anywhere else. They're helping the foundation, and we set the price points not to make a margin of 10% or 20% or whatever, we set the price points to raise money for the foundation. Incidentally, typical margin for garments on the internet is somewhere between 100% and 150% of cost. Excl. delivery costs. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: Revisiting rewards for the FoG campaigns
Hi, On 02/12/2013 04:02 AM, Karen Sandler wrote: And here we go: https://raw.github.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-marketing/master/websites/friends-of-gnome-smpl.png I love this - if others agree, I'll work on some of that short and zippy copy for the top. (probably taking from some of the recent stuff eloquently written by Allan) Might I suggest emphasising that it's not any old t-shirt, that the shirt is a beautiful and sexy limited edition shirt available only to friends of GNOME? I don't know if that's the case, but it should be :-) Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: 2012 Annual Report
Hi, I think the annual report should be as timely as possible - so covering FOSDEM 2013 is great! Cheers, Dave. On 02/14/2013 02:25 PM, Juanjo Marin wrote: On 14/02/13 13:01, Fabiana Simões wrote: Hi everyone, On 14 February 2013 02:51, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: Maybe everyone could add links to content on that wiki page? It's a really easy way to contribute in a small way. I went ahead and linked some easy ones, like the GUADEC photo pool. But there's a lot of great stuff there. Whoever takes on the article will appreciate having the links already there... Added links there to as much content as I could find. One question: The FOSDEM links there are for the 2013 event instead of the 2012 one. Is that correct? I think is just a mistake. We should cover FOSDEM 2012 for this issue of the annual report. Cheers, -- Juanjo Marin -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: annual report deadline is here!
Hi, I re-pinged Daniel Siegel to ask that lazy wanderling the travelling GNOME to answer my questions - I'll keep you posted! Cheers, Dave. On 03/04/2013 09:17 PM, Karen Sandler wrote: Hi all! We're coming up on the first deadline for the annual report tomorrow. Please upload as much content as you have so we can so we can assess where we are! I've got 2 that I'm responsible for (one that will wait until after I read all of yours!) Shaun, where we on the financial section? Do we need to extend the deadline? Of all of the sections, I don't think we can go ahead without this one. Tobi, do you think you can put some membership stats together for us? I'm sorry, I didn't realize that there was no owner for that really important topic! karen -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Fwd: Re: Travelling GNOME
Hi all, I think this is great - it's an interview with Daniel Siegel on the Travelling GNOME - we should add one or two photos (sourced in the links) and a bio for the gnome. I think this stuff is great (esp. the allusion to the Swedish conspiracy linking two GNOME memes). Does this need any copy editing? I think it's almost good to go already. Cheers, Dave. Original Message Subject: Re: Travelling GNOME Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 01:25:11 +0100 From: daniel g. siegel dgsie...@gnome.org To: Dave Neary dne...@redhat.com hey dave! sorry for the late response. i added additional links to the answers, feel free to expand or remove them! also, please feel free to use any text of several blog posts i wrote! On Tue, 2013-02-12 at 12:30 +0100, Dave Neary wrote: Hi Daniel, I would like to do a biography of the travelling GNOME for the annual report this year. I hear you know him better than anyone! I wonder if you could help me with some background information? well, around the time of gnome 2.22 while preparing release notes for cheese i felt the gnome community had seen my handsome face on cheese screenshots often enough. so i asked around and while getting some more or less useful hints, i had an unexpected guest visiting me in my apartment... sources: [1], [2] Where was the Travelling GNOME born? unfortunately little is known about that. When did you discover his love of travelling? he always seemed to be very adventurous and ultimately isn't travelling his name? Which side is the front, and which is the back? as you can tell from the many photos on [3] he seems to be fine showing both sides. but to be honest, he is tells more joke and is funnier on his green side. The GNOME disappeared for several months (years?) at one point. Has he ever told you what happened in that time? Was he kidnapped, or did he just need some space? all i got was a short note with the following: we got him, give us lots of ice cream or you will regret it. - love, the swedish conspiracy (comment: you can link that to http://ftp.gnome.org/conspiracy/index.html) fortunately eric [6] discovered his hideout and they spent some lovely days in san francisco [7]. sources: [4], [5], [6], [7] What's the most interesting place he's been so far? well, he has been to several continents so far, but why don't you have a look for yourself? https://live.gnome.org/TravellingGnome but if you ask me, he met a very special girl in florence, italy... How does the GNOME decide the next place he wants to go? he seems to prefer the company of awesome gnome hackers and he usually does not visit the same hacker twice. then there is a ruleset he brings along on how to take care of the travelling gnome: - add a photo of the travelling gnome and yourself to https://live.gnome.org/TravellingGnome - get a present and put it into a box along with the travelling gnome and the instructions - send it to your favourite gnome hacker Thanks Daniel! I have tried travellinggn...@gnome.org but it bounced - I don't think he ever asked for his foundation membership (we should change that!) i don't think this is a valid mail address, so far we only have that wiki page ;) but yeah, he is definitely a good candidate for foundation membership. i even would vouch for him! daniel some additional links, photos etc: [1] https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2008-January/msg00101.html [2] http://www.dgsiegel.net/news/2008_01_20-dingdong,_parcel_service [3] https://live.gnome.org/TravellingGnome [4] http://www.dgsiegel.net/news/2011_08_09-missing_in_action [5] http://www.dgsiegel.net/news/2011_08_25-return_of_the_travelling_gnome [6] http://blog.yorba.org/eric/2011/08/computer-problems.html [7] http://blog.yorba.org/eric/2011/09/continuing-adventures-of-the-travelling-gnome.html Regards, Dave. -- this mail was sent using 100% recycled electrons daniel g. siegel dgsie...@gnome.org http://www.dgsiegel.net gnupg key id: 0xDB8E409F encrypted email preferred -- this mail was sent using 100% recycled electrons daniel g. siegel dgsie...@gnome.org http://www.dgsiegel.net gnupg key id: 0xDB8E409F encrypted email preferred -- Dave Neary, Lyon, France Email: dne...@gnome.org Jabber: nea...@gmail.com signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: list of photos needed for annual report
Hi Andreas, For the travelling GNOME story, I thought you might like to do a montage of the photos from live.gnome.org/TravellingGnome Cheers, Dave. On 25 Apr 2013 19:12, Andreas Nilsson li...@andreasn.se wrote: Hi! Here is the list of photos (and their sizes in parenthesis) needed for the annual report: Page 3: Letter from the Executive Director. (small size) Page 10: Friends of GNOME (full page) Page 11: Pants awards (half page) Page 13: Bugsquad data or photo of some sorts (half page) Page 14: Any kind of picture (full page size) Page 16: The traveling GNOME (half page) - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/**mailman/listinfo/marketing-**listhttps://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: list of photos needed for annual report
Hi, Would you mind reading through for typos too? I wasn't expecting the interview to be reproduced verbatim and wasn't rigorous with my proofreading - I see a Wwe at the start already and travellinggn...@gnome.org should probably include @ and . to ensure ppl understand it's an email address. I didn't read the rest too closely, would be good to give it a once over with fresh eyes. Thanks, Dave. On 25 Apr 2013 19:16, Andreas Nilsson li...@andreasn.se wrote: And this is how it will all be laid out. https://github.com/gnome-**design-team/gnome-marketing/** blob/master/annual-report-**2012.pnghttps://github.com/gnome-design-team/gnome-marketing/blob/master/annual-report-2012.png Sorry for the spam. - Andreas -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/**mailman/listinfo/marketing-**listhttps://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
