Re: [Marxism] Readers of Marx and Engels Decry Publisher’s Assertion of Copyright - Research - The Chronicle of Higher Education
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == on Mittwoch, 30. April 2014 at 22:38, Einde O'Callaghan wrote: > The material has now been removed and we've started examining the stuff > to see what was originally published in English, e.g. Engels's articles > for the Northern Star, Marx's articles for the New York Tribune or the > Minutes of the IWMA. We've also started looking for available > non-copyright translations of the material taken down. And we've begun > to re-translate some of the material You could also make a new try to convince L&W that they are shooting themselves in their foot and will get far less money from this copyright shark than what he is promising them. And that they will not sell less printed books because of that deal. And that they would be better of with a deal that MIA puts a link to the L&W shop where the readers could order a printed copy of the book. This story reminds me of the blunder which the US computer company Unisys made by demanding a fee for their patented LZW compression algorithm which was used by Compuserve in their GIF graphic format. Unisys was just getting a lot of bad press. They should instead have required that each shelf copy of a software using the LZW algorithm had to state that this software originated from Unisys, showing the Unisys logo, and a similar requirement for downloadable software. Shortsighted fools they are. Cheers, Lüko Willms Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Readers of Marx and Engels Decry Publisher��s Assertion of Copyright - Research - The Chronicle of Higher Education
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == on Donnerstag, 1. Mai 2014 at 15:44, Mark Lause wrote: > but new translations, particularly of unpublished work or > other editions would not be subject to the L&E copyrights. Yes, but this does not depend on the choice of original edition you chose to translate from. Methinks... BTW, the MEGA does certainly not only publish in German, since Marx and Engels wrote also in other languages, especially in English. All the news articles for the "New York Tribune" which Marx wrote for his income, were written in English. Cheers, Lüko Willms Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Readers of Marx and Engels Decry Publisher’s Assertion of Copyright - Research - The Chronicle of Higher Education
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == on Donnerstag, 1. Mai 2014 at 01:20, Mark Lause wrote: > Isn't there also a major project to do an actually complete edition in > German? Yes, there is. It is the MEGA - Marx-Engels GesamtAusgabe > <http://mega.bbaw.de/ There is also a "MEGA digital" available on the Web: > <http://telota.bbaw.de/mega/> The German language Wikipedia has an article on MEGA: > <http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx-Engels-Gesamtausgabe> BTW, the MEGA project informed that UNESCO had inscribed the "Manifest der Kommunistischen Partei", draft manuscript page and "Das Kapital. Erster Band", Karl Marx's personal annotated copy in the Memory of the World Heritage Register: -< <http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/flagship-project-activities/memory-of-the-world/register/full-list-of-registered-heritage/registered-heritage-page-5/manifest-der-kommunistischen-partei-draft-manuscript-page-and-das-kapital-erster-band-karl-marxs-personal-annotated-copy/> > That could make the L&W translation of the shorter collected works > outdated in any event. No, it would not. MEGA is a scientific, historical-critical edition which also shows how the author did arrive at what had finally been published. We need also regularly readable publications of those works. Cheers, Lüko Willms Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Readers of Marx and Engels Decry Publisher’s Assertion of Copyright - Research - The Chronicle of Higher Education
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == on Dienstag, 29. April 2014 at 15:01, Louis Proyect wrote: > In response to its critics, Lawrence & Wishart posted a statement > It said that it "survives on a shoestring" > and argued that its continued existence > depends on its being able > to derive income from its stake in the Collected Works. > "We are currently negotiating an agreement with a distributor that will > offer a digital version of the Collected Works to university libraries > worldwide," the publisher said. "This will have the effect of > maintaining a public presence of the Works, in the public sphere of the > academic library, paid for by public funds. This is a model of commons > that reimburses publishers, authors, and translators for the work that > has gone into creating a book or series of books." I guess the following happened: One of those sharks who live from other people's work by putting handcuffs and shackles on knowledge, and selling the access to it at eaves drops for heavy prices, approached L&W whispering them "I can guarantee you a steady income from your books, if you rely on me to sell your property to universities at prices which I set, and you will get some crumbs, er, no, a steady stream of income from us." But as with every pact with the devil, you have to sell your soul, and this devil said that the pact could become valid only when L&W made sure that that stuff, which the copyright shark wanted to make money on, is being withdrawn from public access. You have to put freely available knowledge behind bars, if you want to draw a profit from it. And L&W got seduced by this siren song and sold their soul to the devil. Now, I am sure that this deal will bring them not very much as income, since the devil will keep most of it as "administrative fees", and "transaction costs" and what have you. And L&W will no longer be able to sell a single printed volume of Marx and Engels to the the university libraries, since they will tell any student or faculty who would like to see a printed copy: "We have the works as digitial copy which you can access online from your university account (but not download and not print it), and pay already a hefty subscription price to this copyright shark, so we will not spend a single penny to buy something we already have." Without this pact with the devil, any student or faculty having read this or that by Marx or Engels on the MIA, could ask their university or college library to buy a printed copy of this, and point to the publication by Lawrence & Wishart. That market will dry out by L&W falling prey to the whisperings of the copyright devils. BTW, would L&W possibly use the digitizations made by MIA volunteers as the basis of the digital works they are about to hand over to this knowledge prison guards? That would amount to outright stealing, in my humble opinion. BTW 2, if the copyright of those translations made in the 1970ies and 1980ies is owned collectively by three publishers, and L&W being only one of them, can they really unilaterally decide to put these works behind digital fences? And could not the other two allow the MIA to continue to host those works for really open access from all over the planet? Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Marx and Engels letters (was: *Re: * Lawrence & Wishart: independent radical publishers)
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == on Sonntag, 27. April 2014 at 18:46, Mark Lause wrote: > What of the Collected Works that doesn't fall into this category are > correspondence and short pieces, mostly of interests to specialists. I have read all the correspondence (as far as published in the German language MEW) and found it a great read, lots of fun and very educative. Also a good guide to read all the other books and pamphlets whose creation is discussed in the letters. Strongly recomended. Cheers, Lüko Willms Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] "Marxists", Marx and copyright (was: • Lawrence & Wishart: independent radical publishers)
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == on Samstag, 26. April 2014 at 12:25, jim wrote: > Marxists do not respect copyright - it is anathema - > and only hold to it when we are forced to under pain of massive fines or > imprisonment - > sometimes not even then! Actually, Karl Marx lived by the proceeds from his writing, so he had also an important material interest to be able to pay the butcher and the grocer and to feed himself and his family. I remember having read a letter by him or an exchange of letters about his dislike of people e.g. in the USA reprinting some works by him without paying anything to the author. Well, this was, of course, during his lifetime. Cheers, Lüko Willms Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Did MH370 land on Diego Garcia? (was: MH370 kept hidden at top-secret US military base)
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == on Dienstag, 22. April 2014 at 03:05, Louis Proyect wrote: > http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_03_31/MH370-kept-hidden-at-top-secret-US-military-base-media-reports-8550/ The US-american military base Diego García in the middle of the Indian Ocean is in fact the only place on earth where this plane could have landed without the world public learning about in within a few days. The population of that island was deported in the early 1970ies to make room for the US military base. Today only British and US military are on the island. According to the Wikipedia article quoted below, there are also some civil employees from the population of other islands in the Chagos archipel. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia : > The atoll is approximately 1,970 nautical miles (3,650 km) east of > the coast of Africa (at Tanzania), 967 nautical miles (1,790 km) > south-southwest of the southern tip of India (at Kanyakumari) and > 2,550 nautical miles (4,720 km) west-northwest of the west coast of > Australia (at Cape Range National Park, Western Australia). Diego > Garcia lies in the Chagos Archipelago at the southernmost tip of the > Chagos-Laccadive Ridge?a vast submarine range in the Indian > Ocean,[2] topped by a long chain of coral reefs, atolls, and islands > comprising Lakshadweep, Maldives, and the Chagos Archipelago. Local > time is UTC+06:00 year-round (DST is not observed).[3] > > The United States Navy operates Naval Support Facility (NSF) Diego > Garcia, a large naval ship and submarine support base, military air > base, communications and space-tracking facility, and an anchorage > for pre-positioned military supplies for regional operations aboard > Military Sealift Command ships in the lagoon.[4] Diego Garcia was also the starting point for the B52 bombers sowing "shock and awe" (terror for short) in Iraq and Afghanistan preparing the conquest of those countries by the US military. One should not light-handedly discard this possibility. One should thing the unthinkable: that agents of the USA government have kidnapped the plane, diverted it to Diego Garcia to capture some people or material from the plane. And that then the plane with the unwanted witnesses would have been discarded in the southern Indian Ocean. This would be a heinous crime, one more in the long chain of crimes against humanity by the supreme empire, but a crime which would not be acceptable even by the blindest fans of US world rule. And the US government does of course know that even in the tightly knit US military community, there are Bradley Mannings and Edward Snowdens, who could reveal this crime to the public. So, in view of those risks, this Diego Garcia variant looks improbable. At least, such a possible course of the events comes with a motivation for the kidnapping of MH370, while currently there are no clues as to why and how the plane diverted from its original course north to Bejing to the West where Diego Garcia is within the range of the plane's fuel supplies... So my suggestion is to put emotions aside and to consider each and every possibility calmly and in cold blood. Cheers, Lüko Willms Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Announcement: Marxists Internet Archive forced to remove some works of Marx & Engels
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == on Donnerstag, 24. April 2014 at 21:43, Clay Claiborne wrote: > case you can't read that fast, you should be able to download the whole > archive under Linux with > wget -m http://marxists.org/archive/marx/works/cw/index.htm > the wget command should also be available under most UNIXes and the MAC. I > hacve no idea how you would do this with Windows. Obviously this takes a > lot of time and space. I will let you know how much when I'm done. The wget command is also available for Windows as part of the Unix utilities from http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/ Cheers, Lüko Willms Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Moderator's Joke and adaptation to US imperialism
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == When I read the "Moderator's note" ruling out discussions on the imperialist war against Libya, my first reaction was to laugh. War and peace, the most important questions facing working people, must not be discussed on a forum which claims to be in the tradition of that famous proletarian revolutionist Karl Marx? Ridiculous. But when this was confirmed after the news of the brutal lynching of Libyas former leader Mo'ammar Ghadhdhafi, I could still do nothing but shake my head in disbelief. Have a look at the disgusting joy of US foreign minister H. Clinton calling out in joy "We came, we saw, he died": > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fgcd1ghag5Y> I see here an increasing adaptation to what used to be called "social imperialism" at the times when the revolutionary workers movement split in the so-called "First World War" of 1914-1919. This list's owner is proud of the large number of subscriber outside of "his own country", but the contributions to the list, including those of the list owner, are centered around US-american issues, and often require to have followed the US-american media. I think I should no longer serve as a fig leaf for this. Bye bye! Mit freundlichen Grüßen Lüko Willms mailto:lueko.wil...@t-online.de Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] FW from Fred F: Comment from Green Left list on FF Libya post
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Dies ist eine weitergeleitete Nachricht Von: Fred Feldman An : 'Lüko Willms' Datum : Mittwoch, 26. Oktober 2011, 00:25 Betreff: FW from Fred F: Comment from Green Left list on FF Libya post The following is a comment of some other participant of the "Green left" list on Fred's original post. -lws ===8<=== Original Nachrichtentext === Introduction by Fred Feldman to WP article below: > > 7,000 political prisoners! And TNC democracy is just getting started. > > For a supposedly thoroughgoing popular revolution for democracy, the New > And > Improved Libya seems to be off to a rather sinister start overall. Does > anyone know of any actual progressive measures associated with the new > regime? Noone has offered, in any left newspaper or site or anywhere else (including left supporters of the "revolution"), any "progressive measures" for the simple reason that there have been none. I agree completely with Fred Feldman on this. People need to get away from the idea that saying stuff like this makes one an apologist for Gaddafi. That issue is irrelevant: Gaddafi machine gunned civilians in Benghazi and Misrata, then pummeled Misrata and other cities with all kinds of heavy weapons. The "rebels" and NATO conquered towns and cities that opposed them, denuded most of the western mountains of their whole populations when they overran them, wiped Zawergha off the face of the earth and ethnically cleansed its entire (black) population, took Tripoli via massive nato firepower and largely the neutrality (neither resistance nor uprising) by the majority there, and then unleashed 6 weeks of the most momentous crimes against humanity on Sirte and Bani Walid. Gaddafi filled his prisons with opponents and used widespread torture. The new "democratic" government fills its prisons with opponents and uses widespread torture. Gaddafi made his peace with imperialism in the economic field (though some could conceivably argue that this didn't go far enough for imperialism) and the TNC is completely beholden to imperialism, having already signed away chunks of Libya before coming to power. If you walked down the street with an anti-Gaddafi flag, you would have been shot or arrested; when last week a hundred or so people in Tripoli gathered with green flags, they were shot at and chased. The main differences: 1. The TNC dictatorship took power via massive help from NATO. That doesn't make Gaddafi's use of massive firepower to keep power OK, just that there is a big difference between NATO "protecting civilians" in Benghazi etc and carrying out regime change, not to mention pulverising civilians. 2. Gaddafi's capitalist regime used local and migrant black labour as the working class; the TNC capitalist regime has carried out massive KKK-style pogroms against the black population, and over a million have floed Libya, possibly the largest part of the working class. 3. The TNC has yet to establish as efective a dictatorship as Gaddafi established - this is the positive, of course, but the chances for the people to be able to use that are wildly exaggerated in much commentary, given all that has happened, and the way the regime achieved power. > > I haven't read or heard of any so far, unless you count the murder of > Gadhafi. The Obama administration is now demanding an investigation of > this, > but here the anti-Gadhafi forces have what might be a good defense: Hilary > Clinton told them to do it. > It is very interesting hearing/reading anti-Gadafi Libyan commentaries on this gruesome execution. When western reporters ask if they would have preferred he go on trial, they tend to answer, no, it is better he is dead, because if he went on trial, there would be different opinions, people would be divided etc. Indeed. Finally, I'd like to ask anyone who has been watching this in the imperalist media (BBC, Al Jazeera, CNN etc). Every day, after the fall of Gaddafi, and now after his execution, we see media reports of cheering crowds. They are nearly always a couple of dozen people, with the reporter informing us that this is "widespread jubilation." Sometimes they inform us that the photo or video of some dozens of people is a photo or video of thousands of people. Stunning. From their own reports, the largest demonstration in Tripoli since his fall has been about 10,000 people. Perhaps in some of the videos they are only showing a small part of the crowd; but then why? Always, every time? Quite simply, if anyone has access to any footage whatsoever of very large "celebrating" crowds in Tripo
[Marxism] Fidel Castro on the lynching of Ghadafi and the moral degradation of NATO
n the troops of Germany and the United Kingdom." "Ninety-five percent of its territory is completely made up of desert. Technology permitted the discovery of vital oilfields of excellent quality light oil that today reach one million 800 thousand barrels a day along with abundant deposits of natural gas. [.] Its harsh desert is located over an enormous lake of fossil waters, equivalent to more than three times the land area of Cuba; this has made it possible to construct a broad network of pipelines of fresh water that stretch from one end of the country to the other." "The Libyan Revolution took place in the month of September of the year 1969. Its main leader was Muammar al-Gaddafi, a soldier of Bedouin origin who, in his early years, was inspired by the ideas of the Egyptian leader Gamal Abdel Nasser. Without any doubt, many of his decisions are associated with the changes that were produced when, as in Egypt, a weak and corrupt monarchy was overthrown in Libya." "One can agree with Gaddafi or not. The world has been invaded with all kinds of news, especially using the mass media. One has to wait the necessary length of time in order to learn precisely what is the truth and what are lies, or a mixture of events of every kind that, in the midst of chaos, were produced in Libya. For me, what is absolutely clear is that the government of the United States is not in the least worried about peace in Libya and it will not hesitate in giving NATO the order to invade that rich country, perhaps in a matter of hours or a few short days." "Those who with perfidious intentions invented the lie that Gaddafi was headed for Venezuela, just as they did yesterday afternoon on Sunday the 20th of February, today received an fitting response from Foreign Affairs Minister Nicolás Maduro..." "As for me, I cannot imagine that the Libyan leader would abandon his country; escaping the responsibilities he is charged with, whether or not they are partially or totally false." "An honest person shall always be against any injustice being committed against any people in the world, and the worst of all, at this moment, would be to remain silent in the face of the crime that NATO is getting ready to commit against the Libyan people." "The leadership of that war-mongering organization has to do it. We must condemn it!" At that early date I had realized something that was absolutely obvious. Tomorrow, on Tuesday October 25th, our chancellor Bruno Rodríguez will speak at UN Headquarters to denounce the criminal blockade of the United States against Cuba. We shall be closely following that battle which will once again make clear the necessity of putting an end to, not just the blockade, but the system that spawns injustice on our planet, squanders its natural resources and puts human survival at risk. We shall be paying particular attention to Cuba's declaration. I shall continue on Wednesday the 26th. Fidel Castro Ruz October 24, 2011. 5:19 p.m. > source > <http://en.cubadebate.cu/reflections-fidel/2011/10/25/natos-genocidal-role-part-two/> Look for the third part at <http://en.cubadebate.cu/> The Spanish (castilian) version is already available at > <http://www.cubadebate.cu/reflexiones-fidel/2011/10/27/el-papel-genocida-de-la-otan-tercera-parte/> > -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Lüko Willms mailto:lueko.wil...@t-online.de Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] "Occupy the world" - this worldwide day of action lays the basis for a new international
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == At today's demo in Frankfurt, someone offered me to buy a magazine called "new international" (translated from German), with a hammer and sicle and a big "5" for "5th international" on the cover. I told the lady that the time for numbered internationals is over, and that this worldwide day of action under the "occupy the world" is the beginning, or even more, of a real new revolutionary international. There is, of course, still a lot of clarification needed about the reality of the capitalist system and the ways to overcome it. This movement began in Sidi-bou-sid in central Tunisia, became a world political event by the mobilisations on Cairo's Tahrir square, sprang over the Mediterranean sea to Madrid, and is now spreading to the whole world from New York City. They should rename "Zacotti square" to Tahrir square... In Solidarity, Lüko Willms Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] "Occupy Frankfurt" - 5000 people according to the cops
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Here in Frankfurt am Main several thousand people marched from Rathenauplatz to the Willy-Brand-Platz, where the ECB (European Central Bank) is located. There a rally took place which ended with an open mike for all. According to the police, the demonstration numbered 5000 people, according to the organizers 8000. The press told this morning that the organizers expected about 1000 people to take part. Demonstration and rally were officially organized by Attac. Cheers, L.W. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] USA: "No 'recovery' for workers as wages fall, jobs stagnate" - 'The Militant' speaks of the law of the tendential fall of profit rate without naming it
l institutions deemed "too big to fail," whom the government has moved to prop up by absorbing billions of dollars in losses. As John Hussman, an economic analyst and investment fund manager, wrote in early October: "To say that Bank of America can't be allowed to 'fail' is really simply to say that Bank of America's bondholders can't be allowed to experience a loss." -- off In solidarity, Lüko Willms Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] James P. Cannon: "There are two Americas—and millions of the people already distinguish between them"
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == --- cut 'Capitalism has nothing to offer but depression and war' Below is an excerpt from Notebook of an Agitator by James P. Cannon, one of Pathfinder's Books of the Month for October. Cannon was a founding leader of the Communist Party and later of the Socialist Workers Party. The talk below was delivered to the SWP's 13th national convention on July 1, 1948, and broadcast simultaneously over a nationwide network by the American Broadcasting System. In face of the growing world crisis of capitalism, workers, farmers and youth will find Cannon's description of the class-opposed interests of the two Americas quite timely today. Copyright ¸ 1958 by Pathfinder Press. Reprinted by permission. BY JAMES P. CANNON There are two Americas-and millions of the people already distinguish between them. One is the America of the imperialists-of the little clique of capitalists, landlords, and militarists who are threatening and terrifying the world. This is the America the people of the world hate and fear. There is the other America-the America of the workers and farmers and the "little people." They constitute the great majority of the people. They do the work of the country. They revere its old democratic traditions-its old record of friendship for the people of other lands, in their struggles against Kings and Despots-its generous asylum once freely granted to the oppressed. This is the America which must and will solve the world crisis-by taking power out of the hands of the little clique of exploiters and parasites, and establishing a government of workers and farmers. The Workers' and Farmers' Government will immediately proceed to change things fundamentally- Throw out the profit and rent hogs, and increase the living standards of the people who do the useful work. Assure freedom and democratic rights to all, not forgetting those who are denied any semblance of them now. Call back the truculent admirals from the seven seas-and ground the airplanes with their dangling bombs. Hold out the hand of friendship and comradely help to the oppressed and hungry people in the world. These people don't want to fight anybody. They only want to live. There are two billion people in the world-and more than half of them don't get enough to eat. These people should be helped-not threatened, not driven back into slavery, under the social system that has kept half of them hungry all their lives. It is well to recall now that America was born of revolution in 1776, and secured its unity as a nation through another revolution-the Civil War-which smashed the abomination of chattel slavery in the process. Our great, rich, wonderful country was once the light and the hope of the world. But our America has fallen into the hands of a small, selfish group, who are trying to dominate the world-and to set up a police state at home. These Wall Street money-sharks are just as foreign to the real America as were the despots who ruled the land before the revolution of 1776. They are just as foreign as were the traffickers in human flesh and blood-the slave owners-whose power was broken by the Civil War-the blessed second American Revolution. These imperialist rulers of America are the worst enemies of the American people. American democracy, under their rule, is slipping away. The fear that oppressed [U.S. novelist] Mark Twain, the fear that America would lose its democracy, is steadily becoming a reality. . The divine right of kings has reappeared in America-disguised as the divine right of judges to issue injunctions and levy fines against labor organizations. Only three years have passed since the imperialists finished the last slaughter. And now they are drafting the youth for another. Militarism is becoming entrenched in America. . A large section of the sturdy immigrants who helped to build this country came here to escape militarism. Now their grandsons face the same brutal regimentation here. All this is part and parcel of the development of capitalism-the system which puts profits above all other considerations. The capitalist system has long outlived its usefulness. Capitalism offers no future to the people but depressions, imperialist wars, fascism, universal violence and a final plunge into barbarism. To avoid such a fate, the workers of the United States must go into politics on their own account, independent of all capitalist politics. They must take power, establish a Workers' and Farmers' Government, and reorganize the economy of the country on a socialist basis. Socialist economy in the United States, eliminating capitalist wars, profits and waste, will be so productive as to ensure a rich living for all wh
[Marxism] "The Militant" greets "Occupy Wallstreet" movement: "'Occupy Wall St.' actions spread to cities across US -- Draw thousands affected by capitalist crisis"
ns of the economic crisis. “So far the Wall Street Occupiers have helped the Democratic Party,” said Robert Reich, former labor secretary in the William Clinton administration. “Their inchoate demand that the rich pay their fair share is tailor-made for the Democrats’ new plan for a 5.6 percent tax on millionaires.” To get the Democrats to fight for the plan “pressure from the left is critically important,” he said. Some conservative politicians and papers have attacked the protests, others have taken a more careful, muted stance. According to the Wall Street Journal, Republican presidential candidates Ron Paul and Rick Santorum “empathize with the protesters’ frustration but they don’t agree with all of their goals.” But not Republican candidate Herman Cain. “If you don’t have a job and you’re not rich, blame yourself,” he said. Many of those participating in Occupy Wall Street actions around the country are open to working-class politics and are attracted to unfolding struggles by workers. Socialist Workers Party members have sold dozens of subscriptions to the Militant, hundreds of single copies of the paper, as well as literature from Pathfinder Press, at rallies and encampments in New York and around the country. These activities have become fertile ground for discussing the need for working people to resist the mounting attacks by the bosses and their government, and to organize a movement that can wrest political power from the exploiters and reconstruct society on foundations of human solidarity, not profit for a few. - off ----- In solidarity, Lüko Willms Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Vote on the Web: Did the "Cuban Five" receive fair jail sentences?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == "The Economist" Asks: Did the "Cuban Five" receive fair jail sentences? René González, one of five Cuban spies who had infiltrated anti-Castro exile groups in Miami, was recently released from prison. The group's jail sentences ranged from 15 years to life. Do you think they were fair? Voting opened on Oct 11th 2011 and closes on Oct 17th 2011 http://www.economist.com/economist-asks/did-cuban-five-receive-fair-jail-sentences Current total votes at this moment in time: 928 6% voted for Yes and 94% voted for No Add your vote to the NOs! Cheers, Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Iraq, siding with Iran, sends essential aid to Syria's Assad
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Fred Feldman (ffeld...@verizon.net) wrote on 2011-10-09 at 19:16:04 in about Re: [Marxism] Iraq, siding with Iran, sends essential aid to Syria's Assad: > > On to other topics. > > > > Peace in our time. Oh! Now you are really scaring me. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany visit http://www.mlwerke.de Marx, Engels, Luxemburg, Lenin, Trotzki in German Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Iraq, siding with Iran, sends essential aid to Syria's Assad
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Louis Proyect (l...@panix.com) wrote on 2011-10-09 at 19:56:09 in about Re: [Marxism] Iraq, siding with Iran, sends essential aid to Syria's Assad: > > What difference would that make from your daily heaping of "reformist" baiting bile? Denouncing Gary McLennan as if you were Vishinsky? > The main difference is that I stick to the facts, and then that Vishinsky could get people arrested and killed (before he became a victim of the GPU himself). Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Iraq, siding with Iran, sends essential aid to Syria's Assad
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Louis Proyect (l...@panix.com) wrote on 2011-10-09 at 15:08:55 in about Re: [Marxism] Iraq, siding with Iran, sends essential aid to Syria's Assad: > > A sensible person would write one analytical article a month in your own words rather than swamping the list with basically the same newspaper article for over 5 months. > One more word like this, and I post a statistic of the number of posts per day of some prominent participants of this list. And I think that on top of that list will be that person who tried to defeat each call to stop the imperialist war against Libya by bragging about some places the wider Gadhdhafi familiy members used to visit which he had apparently no access to. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Libya civil war may end, but victors' revenge drive deepens divisions
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Fred Feldman (ffeld...@verizon.net) wrote on 2011-10-07 at 12:14:12 in about [Marxism] Libya civil war may end, but victors' revenge drive deepens divisions: > > "If there continues to be serious fighting, if there continues to be threats > to the civilian population, then I'm sure this mission will continue," > Panetta told reporters after two days of meetings with defense chiefs and > military commanders at the North Atlantic Treaty Organization headquarters > here. I just wonder in how far they are protecting the civilians of Sirte against the forces bombarding that city? Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Timothy Egan: Lessons from the Amanda Knox frame-up
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Lenin's Tomb (leninstombb...@googlemail.com) wrote on 2011-10-04 at 22:33:42 in about Re: [Marxism] Timothy Egan: Lessons from the Amanda Knox frame-up: > > First of all, it is doubtful at the very least that Knox might be on her way > to an execution if tried in the US. She's not Troy Davis. 'Reasonable doubt' did not mean the same thing in her case as it did in Davis' case, and this isn't merely because of the Italian courts. Knox had a million dollars behind her. She and her parents had the whole US media behind her. They even cuddled up with Clinton. They had every resource to secure the result they wanted. > She was a US citizen in the hands of a foreign justice, which is as horrible as it can get for a regular US talking head. Had those things happened to her while being in the US, she would not have the "save American lives abroad" thing about her. I was astonished about the amount which CNN Int'l devoted to her case, they even began their news shows with that case. In Germany, hardly anybody noted it until after the verdict (and that attention was largely prompted by the extensive CNN coverage of the case). If she had been a man, and a muslim, the CIA would have sent a killer drone to Italy to take her life, and CNN would justify it, independently of her being a US citizen. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lenin on banks
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Andrew Pollack (acpolla...@gmail.com) wrote on 2011-10-03 at 12:44:02 in about [Marxism] Lenin on banks: > > I'm so sorry I can't find the thread where the comrade mentioned > Lenin's "The Impending Catastrophe and How to Combat It." > The original is at: > http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/ichtci/index.htm > And whoever mentioned it (Luko?) was SO right about the Internet > giving new meaning to "open the books" and "exposing financial > secrets." Yes, I wrote something to that effect. That was with the subject line "Re: [Marxism] Occupy Wall Street" on Sat, 01 Oct 2011 at 11:00:42 +0200 (MES). Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany visit http://www.mlwerke.de Marx, Engels, Luxemburg, Lenin, Trotzki in German Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Timothy Egan: Lessons from the Amanda Knox frame-up
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Fred Feldman (ffeld...@verizon.net) wrote on 2011-10-04 at 16:05:13 in about [Marxism] Timothy Egan: Lessons from the Amanda Knox frame-up: > > This is also a powerful answer to the crap one hears in US cops shows > every week: "DNA doesn't lie." A little story on this issue. Over several years, the cops found one and the same DNA traces at the sites of many different crimes in South West Germany. They identified this DNA as belonging to a women. It puzzled them that one single women could perpetrate all those many and so different crimes. They could not find common characteristics in all those crimes, and no hints to the person they were hunting for. After several years, the enigma was finally solved: the DNA belonged to one of the women in the factory where the cotton sticks were produced which the cops used to pick up DNA traces. This factory provided those sticks mainly to the South West of Germany. This worker left here DNA on some sticks, when the moved them with their hands to package them. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Press review: "USA Today" justifies murder of US citizen in Yemen
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Press review: In an editorial published at > <http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/story/2011-10-02/al-Awl aki-war-on-terror/50637700/1> the US-american daily justifies the assasination of a US citizen in Yemen by a US american killer drone. "On the simplest level, the killing Friday in Yemen of American born-terrorist Anwar al-Awlaki is one more step in the remarkably successful campaign to decapitate al-Qaeda. Osama bin Laden is dead, along with many of his lieutenants. The post-9/11 goal of crushing the organization appears within reach. Now the most dangerous man in the group's most dangerous offshoot, al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, is dead as well, killed in a drone attack along with another American-turned-terrorist, Samir Khan." "But al-Awlaki was not just one more terrorist. His knowledge of America, its language and its culture, and particularly his personal sense of the alienation young Muslims might feel, made him a special threat - one that will continue to bear close attention for years to come." and further down, after citing some examples of US citizens arrested for "terror plots" (I don't know how much of them have been created by the FBI itself) they write: "The conclusion is inescapable. Al-Qaeda infiltrating terrorists into the USA is not the greatest threat. Neither, certainly, is any grand Muslim conspiracy. Rather, the danger comes from the self-radicalization of a small number of alienated men seeking meaning in their lives and finding it in the Internet preachings of al-Awlaki or others who can tap into their psyches." "Against that backdrop, criticisms that the attack was a mistake because the U.S. government killed citizens without trial seem misguided. The threat was uniquely American, and legal issues were fully vetted." And later, weighing an overall assessment of the assasination campaign with killer drones around the globe: "Drone attacks have killed more than 1,000 terrorists. This comes at a cost to America's image when innocents die. But that fact is meaningless unless viewed in its broader context." "Drones are displacing a far cruder tool, full-scale war, as the key post-9/11 means for attacking terrorists. A drone is better than the other options: sending troops, relying on local forces, or doing nothing." This assasination campaign, USA Today claims, "would also undercut the primary storyline used by al-Awlaki and other recruiters: that the U.S. is at war with Islam." "Targeted assassination must always be a limited tool, used only in war or to interrupt a direct threat to national security, and even then only with careful review. But every indication is that those rules are being applied. As a result, the war on terrorism is being fought in smarter ways to greater effect." Read the full editorial at > <http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/story/2011-10-02/al-Awl aki-war-on-terror/50637700/1> Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Police arrest 400 protesters on Brooklyn Bridge (after allowing them to march)
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Dan DiMaggio (dan.dimag...@gmail.com) wrote on 2011-10-01 at 20:34:48 in about [Marxism] Police arrest 400 protesters on Brooklyn Bridge (after allowing them to march): arrests of 400 protesters on the Brooklyn Bridge, The German national radio station DLF [Deutschlandfunk] in their 6 o'clock news this morning reported 500 arrests. The "Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung" (FAZ) in its online edition reported 700 arrests. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Our economic nightmare is just beginning
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Louis Proyect (l...@panix.com) wrote on 2011-09-29 at 15:47:00 in about [Marxism] Our economic nightmare is just beginning: > > (Judis started out in life as a young radical but moved to the right in the 1980s, eventually supporting the contras in Nicaragua. However, he has always been pretty strong on economic questions.) > > http://www.tnr.com/article/economy/magazine/94963/economic-doom > Romney was insisting that there was nothing to be learned from Hoovers response to the Great Depression. But, in fact, what happened in the United States and Europe in the 30s is an excellentperhaps, the bestguide to what is happening to us now. > Judis gives the answer at the end of the article, but he does not connect the dots: > In the 40s, it finally took a world war to bring about the conditions for reforming the worlds leading economies. The war established the United States as the unchallenged leader of world capitalism, and it convinced Washington that a renewed strategy of beggar thy neighbor would be self-destructive. The popular New Deal reforms also established a floor under governments role. Western Europe and Japan followed Americas lead. Will it take another global catastrophe to convince the leaders of the United States, Europe, and Asia to halt the repetition of past errorsto recognize that they need to establish a new economic order? Well, so we should prepare for a new world war? Who could take over from the US as the world's unchallenged ruler? How much destruction, how many deaths would this require, in order to fulfil Mr. Judis' dream? More than that, I wonder why our list owner did send this rubbish out to his readers. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Imperialist hunt for missiles in Libya (and broader comments y moi)
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Jeff (meis...@xs4all.nl) wrote on 2011-09-30 at 01:19:45 in about Re: [Marxism] Imperialist hunt for missiles in Libya (and broader comments y moi): > > And the irony here, of course, (and I hate to rub it in, Fred) is that > while Gaddafi WAS in power, they imperialists saw absolutely NO danger from > those weapons being in his hands, Jeff Meisner is wrong. Maybe they did not dare to force the Libyan government to destroy those little ones, but they forced them to hand over more effective ones, which could have halted the imperialist onslaught of this year, and Gadhafi complied. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Occupy Wall Street
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == > Declaration of the Occupation of New York City > Posted on September 30, 2011 by NYCGA I think this is an excellent revolutionary manifesto. Reminded me spontaneously of the US Declaration of Independence, and of the famous "Manifesto of the Communist Party" by that Charly Marx and his good friend Frederick E. Fred Feldman (ffeld...@verizon.net) wrote on 2011-09-30 at 22:40:20 in about [Marxism] Occupy Wall Street: > > This brings me to the question of whether experienced leftists should press > them to make concrete demands - in the long run, I think there is no way > around this. But I don't think that the experienced leftists (whose > experiences are a mixed bag in today's circumstances) should make this a > fight issue today. Certainly not a fight, and not press. Though I would propose two demands to be advanced: 1) Nationalisation of the banks and all financial sector, as the only way to cope with the debt crisis (which is at its bottom a profit crisis of the actual material production, and which can only be made worse by blowing up the debt bubble even more by putting more money in the banks in order to "save" them); 2) Opening of the books, i.e. the actual financial book-keeping of the corporations. This can be done very simply seen the level of computerization and means of remote access to nearly every computer system via the Internet. Compare today's possibilities with what Lenin explained in 1917 in his excellent pamphlet about "The coming crisis and how to cope with it", or how it might be titled in English (look up the 'Marxism' internet archive). Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Imperialist hunt for missiles in Libya (and broader comments y moi)
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Gary MacLennan (gary.maclenn...@gmail.com) wrote on 2011-09-30 at 09:04:24 in about Re: [Marxism] Imperialist hunt for missiles in Libya (and broader comments y moi): > > I will be > frank and say that the removal of Qadhdhafi was a necessary condition for > any decent revolution. The removal of the NTC is now equally urgent. > Fred though seems to have his own take. his attention now turns to Algeria > and Niger. His primary pre-occupation would appear to be to oppose any > imperialist intervention. My primary purpose, although I strongly opoose > Imperialist interventiojn, is to see regime change. If I am being fair to > him here that is a significant difference. So there is ample room for more intense collaboration from your side with the White House, the Pentagon and the CIA to install a subservient regime in Libya and all of Arabia and all of Africa, by removing all those unreliable figures pointed out by the "Human Rights Watsch", which is so worried about the unwashed masses to have access to anti-aircraft missiles which they could use against the imperialist onslaught. Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] "Militant" report on Eva Chertov memorial meeting
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == jay rothermel (jayrother...@gmail.com) wrote on 2011-09-28 at 01:22:39 in about Re: [Marxism] "Militant" report on Eva Chertov memorial meeting: > > Now, as to Cliff Conner's letter, some context was left out. Why are > members and supporters of Socialist Action banned from SWP events? Several > decades ago, SA members working in the same aerospace plant as SWPers > obtained some SWP fraction meeting minutes, and decided it was appropriate > for factional purposes to share minutes with opponents in the union > leadership, and with the bosses themselves. Well, this was certainly not a nice thing to do (not knowing the real facts of that incident). > This was and is a question of principle, not sour grapes or a family squabble. If a nasty act of some members of some movement leads to a decision to exclude _all_ current _and former_ members of that movement from your meetings, then one would really stay horribly alone. One would have to keep out everybody who has registered to vote as Democrat or Republican, or who has ever been a member of some stalinist party and and and... There is no chance at all to win over a member or former member of "Socialist Action" or whatever other group if they are consciuosly excluded from every kind of meeting, especially memorial meetings for dead former comrades of one's own movement. How pathetic this is. And sad. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Why Obama Stabbed the Palestinians in the Back
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Louis Proyect (l...@panix.com) wrote on 2011-09-24 at 17:17:03 in about [Marxism] Why Obama Stabbed the Palestinians in the Back: > > From the desk of Reuven Kaminer > September 24, 2011 > > Why Obama Stabbed the Palestinians in the Back > > There are two ways of looking at the disgusting performance of Obama at the UN where he openly and cynically stabbed the Palestinians in the back. One explanation is based on Obamas electoral considerations and his need to coddle Israel at Palestinian expense. The second explanation is based on the logic of great power imperial strategic considerations. Israel is a serious ally and its services may be required express any day in the present stormy ME region. Incidentally, the two versions are not mutually exclusive. > Another main reason is that both the USA and the state Israel are colonial settler states, only that the original population in the USA has been reduced to a very tiny minority. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Did World War Two end the Great Depression?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Louis Proyect (l...@panix.com) wrote on 2011-09-24 at 20:10:54 in about Re: [Marxism] Did World War Two end the Great Depression?: > > As noted, the war keynesianism of the ~1938-1945 period finally generated enough wealth by 1953 to restore the market value to its 1929 pre-crash level. > You only look at the United States, without taking the rest of the world into account. The war did destroy huge amounts of capital, so that a new start of capitalist production could count on a higher return on capital. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Libya Rebels Dumping Hundreds of Bodies in 'Pro-Gadhafi' Cemetery
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Gary MacLennan (gary.maclenn...@gmail.com) wrote on 2011-09-21 at 20:35:00 in about Re: [Marxism] Libya Rebels Dumping Hundreds of Bodies in 'Pro-Gadhafi' Cemetery: > > Now now Luko, you are being unkind here. It was just necessary to state again that your political outlook does not bypass the ideological setup of the corporate gutter press. > But I will let that pass. You might feel congratulated by this, as a statement that you are fully in tune with "your" government. But better to think a while and leave that camp. Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Pirate Party get 9% in Berlin election
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Tristan Sloughter (kungfoog...@gmail.com) wrote on 2011-09-19 at 20:32:37 in about Re: [Marxism] Pirate Party get 9% in Berlin election: > > Mostly true. But free software (free as in freedom, libre, is a better term > for it than 'open source' which was made to make companies more comfortable) > is also collectively created and maintained. Which is interesting since so > many in the software world and even the free software world > are libertarians. > > Myself, all my free software work is unrelated to any goal of monetary gain > -- though it obviously does help anyway due to networking and your work > being out there -- and my work programming is internal to the company, so > neither free software or proprietary. As I said, this touches a fundamental contradiction of the capitalist mode of production, but this contradiction can't be solved without the working class (and our allies) taking political power out of the hands of the capitalist class. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Pirate Party get 9% in Berlin election
in the former East Berlin than in the West. With 62%, more people voted this year than the 58% the last time. If this will be a one-time protest vote, or if the Pirates do establish themselves as a fifth parliamentary party remainst to be seen. In the federal elections last year, they were one of the most successful "further ran" parties. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Libya Rebels Dumping Hundreds of Bodies in Pro-Gadhafi Cemetery
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Louis Proyect (l...@panix.com) wrote on 2011-09-19 at 14:27:59 in about Re: [Marxism]Libya Rebels Dumping Hundreds of Bodies in Pro-Gadhafi Cemetery: > > Interesting how peoples' brains work. Does anybody remember me posting articles about brutal Qaddafi was? I really can't. > Really? OK, you mainly reproached the Gadhdhafi family that they eat in restaurants and stay in hotels which you can't visit, by which your messages told your public that any opposition against the imperialist onslaught against Libya was a no-no. L.W. Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Uri Avnery: Israel should vote for Palestinian statehood, but won 't (of course)
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Fred Feldman (ffeld...@verizon.net) wrote on 2011-09-16 at 18:29:18 in about [Marxism] Uri Avnery: Israel should vote for Palestinian statehood, but won 't (of course): > > We had fought hard and had won. The Palestinians had lost everything. The > part of Palestine that had been allotted by the UN to their state had been > gobbled up by Israel, Jordan and Egypt, leaving nothing for them. Half the > Palestinian people had been driven from their homes and become refugees. > > That was the time, we thought, for the victor to stun the world with an act > of magnanimity and wisdom, offering to help the Palestinians to set up their > state in return for peace. Thus we could forge a friendship that would last > for generations. This sounds like an absurd idea: the robber declares that he has taken away everything from his victim, "leaving nothing for [his victim]", and then declares to make peace and friendship to consolidate that robbery. How foolish one has to be to entertain such absurdity? Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] US "Militant" greets NATO-backed rebel victory in Libya
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Fred Feldman (ffeld...@verizon.net) wrote on 2011-10-27 at 10:18:44 in about [Marxism] US "Militant" greets NATO-backed rebel victory in Libya: http://www.themilitant.com/2011/7531/753102.html Rebel forces take Tripoli in Libyan civil war Dear Fred, the subject line which you typed for this article is seriously misleading. This article from The Militant is just a factual reporting, no greeting of the victory of the "rebels". Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Who do the "Libyan people" support?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Dayne Goodwin (daynegood...@gmail.com) wrote on 2011-07-05 at 07:58:44 in about Re: [Marxism] Who do the "Libyan people" support?: As already argued, socialists support the popular uprising against the Qaddafi dictatorship, and we have no truck with defenders of Qaddafi. But we also oppose the imposition of the no-fly zone and other forms of Western intervention because, in strengthening the role of imperial intervention in the Libyan revolution, they undermine the prospect of genuine freedom and independence... The problem is, that there is no longer a "popular uprising against the Qaddafi dictatorship", but an imperialist war against Libya, supported by the most reactionary Arab regimes, to put the country again under the colonialist boot. You try to straddle on the barricade between the US/French/British torture regimes, and your wet dreams. The real effect is that you are just a "useful idiot" for the war of the imperialist and colonialist forces together with the most reactionary regimes of the Arab countries (Saudi Arabia and the other absolute monarchs of the Arab peninsula) against the Arab nation. How pathetic. How disgusting. And think about why this confusenic author of above quoted lines is using the battle word of imperialist propaganda "dictator" for the Libyan government -- a "dictator" is each and every president or prime minister of a Third World country who does not succumb to the dictates of Washington. And think why the German government is supporting the war against the Arab nation by giving green light for the delivery of 200 tanks of type "Leopard 2" to the Saudi monarchy, which is one of the forces supporting the war against Libya. Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Turn in DSK case....(reformatted)
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Les Schaffer (schaf...@optonline.net) wrote on 2011-07-03 at 13:36:15 in about Re: [Marxism] Turn in DSK case(reformatted): > > > On days like this I feel like flushing the mailing list down the > > toilet and moving on with my life. > > > > i hear you ... in lieu of a flush, lets use the moderation button. Sure, let L.P. go on by throwing his film reviews into the world, and that nobody dare review him! Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Call for arrest warrants against Gaddafis escalates war (Guardian ite
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Louis Proyect (l...@panix.com) wrote on 2011-05-16 at 14:34:18 in about Re: [Marxism] Call for arrest warrants against Gaddafis escalates war (Guardian ite: > > Right. I am going out drinking with Michael Berube tonight to celebrate. Yawn. You are really getting desperate. Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] The Libya precedent 100 years ago: How Morocco lost her independence
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On April 19, 1911, French troops landed in Morocco, called to "help" by Sultan Abdelhafid against a rebellion by Berber (Imazighen) tribes. French troops soon occupied Fès and Rabat; Morocco became a French protectorate until 1955, a colony by all but its name. And as today, interimperialist rivalries played a role: the German imperialism found its commercial interests in Morocco threatened by the French takeover, and sent a war ship to the Moroccean coast. On July 1st, 1911, the German gunboat "Panther" took position in front of the Moroccean city Agadir. This became known in the history books as the "Panthersprung nach Agadir" (panther jump to Agadir). Kaiser Wilhelm did not manage to drive a rift between French and British colonial interests, and had finally, by the Morocco-Congo-Treaty signed in Berlin on November 4, 1911, to accept French rule over Morocco, but got some additional territory in South-West Africa (Namibia), a colony which Germany would become liberated of only 18 years later. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / lueko.wil...@t-online.de Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Interimperialist competition: "From Libya to Gulf states, London pushes war and exports to shore up faded power" (from "The Militant")
now. A British Prime Minister visits the Gulf not as the wielder of imperial power but as a commercial traveller," the Telegraph said. "Western democracy is only one of the products he offers, and not always the most important one." Related articles: Egypt: mass protests demand rights, justice Army attacks workers' freedom to organize Next week: Egyptian workers leaders speak out French gov't in 3 shooting wars at one time --- off -- > source <http://www.themilitant.com/2011/7516/751655.html> Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / lueko.wil...@t-online.de Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Interimperialist competition: "France gov't in 3 shooting wars at the same time" (from "The Militant")
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == For your information and meditation --- cut - French gov't in 3 shooting wars at one time [from "The Militant", Vol. 75/No. 16 April 25, 2011] BY SETH GALINSKY French imperialist troops are today engaged in three shooting wars at the same time: in Libya, the Ivory Coast, and Afghanistan. Paris hopes its more aggressive stance as the strongest military power in Western Europe will be a counterweight to Washington's influence there and bolster its position against its competitors. "It's hard to imagine that Paris would have intervened militarily [in the Ivory Coast] if it didn't believe that its interest in preserving influence over a former colony was critically at stake," said the Wall Street Journal in an April 8 editorial. "In the age of humanitarian intervention the national interest has become the motive that dare not speak its name." On April 4, French tanks, helicopters, and soldiers attacked forces loyal to Ivory Coast ruler Laurent Gbagbo-who refused to acknowledge losing the November presidential election-and successfully overthrew him a week later, under the guise of carrying out a United Nations mandate to protect civilians. With 259,000 regular troops and 419,000 in its reserves, the French Army is the largest in Europe, ahead of its closest rivals, the British and German armies. In 2008 President Nicolas Sarkozy increased spending by $1.8 billion a year as part of a five-year plan to transform the French military into a smaller but more combat-ready, better-equipped fighting force. "We're planning for one war and a half," said Francois Heisbourg, a member of the presidential commission that helped develop Sarkozy's plan. The aim, he said, is to be able to send 60,000 troops, 70 combat aircraft, and a full naval group anywhere from the North Atlantic to the Indian Ocean. French military intervention in Africa, especially in its former colonies and those of Belgium, is nothing new. French troops intervened in Africa at least 19 times between 1962 and 1995. >From 1954 to 1962 the French imperialists fought a brutal war in Algeria in a futile effort to prevent its people from winning independence. French forces routinely used waterboarding and electric shocks to torture those accused of opposing colonial rule. To justify the execution of prisoners it often claimed they were "killed while trying to escape" or "committed suicide." After its colonies gained independence, Paris viewed Françafrique as its exclusive sphere of influence. Africa remains a key source of oil and metals for French capitalists. Paris maintains military bases in Djibouti, Gabon, and the islands of Reunion and Mayotte off Africa's eastern coast, as well as troops in Senegal and the Central African Republic. Washington at the same time has been increasing its military presence in Africa. The French government is also extending its military reach elsewhere in the world. In 2009 Sarkozy opened a new French military base in the United Arab Emirates, its first permanent one in the region. The base is located on the banks of the Strait of Hormuz between Iran and the Arabian Peninsula. Paris is flexing its muscle amid simmering trade and financial disputes among the European imperialist powers and Washington. All are jockeying for position and competing for markets, lucrative arms contracts, and natural resources around the globe. "The Paris leadership is getting on the nerves of many in Berlin," according to the German web magazine Spiegel Online. The French and German governments-each seeking to assert its primacy in the European Union-have openly clashed over EU trade, financial, military, and nuclear policies. London-Paris relations are not so smooth either. "Britain mistrusts French ambitions in Europe; France mistrusts Britain's ties with America," said Newsweek in November. "By and large, the cordiality has been kept for state occasions." For decades the French government, although formally a NATO member, refused to be part of the command structure of the U.S.-led military alliance. Even after rejoining the command in 2009, Paris is not part of NATO's nuclear planning structure and maintains its own nuclear arsenal. Related articles: Egypt: mass protests demand rights, justice Army attacks workers' freedom to organize Next week: Egyptian workers leaders speak out >From Libya to Gulf states, London pushes war and exports to shore up faded power -- off --- > source <http://www.themilitant.com/2011/7516/751656.html> Yours, Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / lueko.wil...@
Re: [Marxism] Obama, Sarkozy, Cameron sign on for Libya escalation
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Fred Feldman (ffeld...@bellatlantic.net) wrote on 2011-04-15 at 08:43:34 in about [Marxism] Obama, Sarkozy, Cameron sign on for Libya escalation: > > In the joint article, Obama reverses America's earlier cautious approach to > the conflict - which saw the US hand control to Nato and withdraw fighter > planes just days after the intervention began - and signs up his country to > the more muscular intervention of his European colleagues. This common article is also a slap in the face of NATO, whose foreign ministers had just deliberated in Berlin about the fate of the former Italian colony, and which role the NATO might play in imposing a government to the liking of the colonial masters onto the people of Libya. Sarkozy, Cameron and Obama make clear: "Our NATO allies may discuss and help us, but we call the shots". Much more than in previous imperialist wars to recolonize the former colonies (Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia), the contradictions between the various imperialist powers come to the surface. A shooting inter-imperialist war of the kind which dominated the first half of the 20th century is not yet on the agenda for today, but one should not forget that this is the ultimate outcome of the current crisis of capitalism, unless the warlords in Berlin, Paris, London, Washington, Canberra, Toronto, Tokyo, Rome etc are toppled by the working class taking power and the fate of humanity in our hands. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] MAWO's Open Letter to Stopwar.ca and Canadian Peace Alliance (CPA)
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Louis Proyect (l...@panix.com) wrote on 2011-04-15 at 12:30:17 in about Re: [Marxism] MAWO's Open Letter to Stopwar.ca and Canadian Peace Alliance (CPA): > > More from MAWO: > > "We must understand that there is big difference between regimes > like Mubarak in Egypt, Ben Ali in Tunisia and Ali Abdullah Saleh > in Yemen, and regimes in Iran and Libya." > > What a load of crap. What a unpolite way to censor your POTUS! And the honorable bosses of the French and British colonial enterprises! These men of power make and made a big difference between Libya and all other Arab countries. Only for Libya they call for the actual government of the country to be removed (and put huge means of destructions to advance that goal), while regarding Tunis and Egypt they tried to keep their cronies in power as long as they could (the peoples of those countries then decided otherwise), and they also condoned sending foreign troops into Bahrein to save the brutal monarchy there from being forced to a constitutional reign with an elected government. You should not contradict your master! Your master is always right! Big Brother watches you, and you should love him! Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The U.S.-NATO War against Libya
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Matthew Russo (russo.matth...@gmail.com) wrote on 2011-04-10 at 13:14:28 in about Re: [Marxism] The U.S.-NATO War against Libya: > > There certainly is a U.S.-NATO War against Libya - > the question is, which Libya? Against Libiya as such, against the whole nation, and against the Arab revolution all over the Arab nation. To bring the Arabs back to colonial submission. It is as simple as that. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany visit http://www.mlwerke.de Marx, Engels, Luxemburg, Lenin, Trotzki in German Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Guardian: Rebels in Retreat, preceded by my comments
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Fred Feldman (ffeld...@bellatlantic.net) wrote on 2011-04-11 at 20:04:16 in about [Marxism] Guardian: Rebels in Retreat, preceded by my comments: > > I think the imperialists, relatively on the contrary, are still being > pressed to take more aggressive measures, including troop boots on the > ground. France and Britain have complained today about a lack of aggressiveness of the NATO led war. > To assure that Gadhafi is forced out and the state is taken over by > new forces agreeable to imperialism as they managed yesterday in Cote d'Ivoire, where France's permanent military force on the ground pounded the presidential palace from the air, paving the way for the armed forces of the contender Uatara to take Gbagbo, the outgoing president, as prisoner. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/11/libya-rebels-struggle > Rebels in retreat > The only country where the Arab revolution became > a military struggle may be one of the places > where the regime stays put > Editorial > The Guardian, Monday 11 April 2011 > Libya is the only country > where the Arab revolution became a military struggle, and for this very > reason it may be one of the places where the regime stays put. ... and that is easy to understand. When the exchange of arguments is replaced by the exchange of bullets, grenades and missiles, then it is harder to convince the people -- it becomes rather impossible. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The U.S.-NATO War against Libya
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == S. Artesian (sartes...@earthlink.net) wrote on 2011-04-11 at 19:16:54 in about Re: [Marxism] The U.S.-NATO War against Libya: > > Why "oil"? There's no shortage of oil. Still this USanian nonsense. The question is not to secure the supply of oil for USanian domestic consumptin, but to control the WORLD OIL MARKET. Its the empire, stupid! Apparently one has to live outside of the belly of the beast to know what it is about, otherwise one succumbs to its propanda lies. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Ending tyranny in the Middle East
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Louis Proyect (l...@panix.com) wrote on 2011-04-08 at 15:49:41 in about Re: [Marxism] Ending tyranny in the Middle East: > In order for a vanguard to emerge in the Arab world, > there has to be *political freedom*. Exactly, and that is the significance of this first stage of the current Arab revolution. > but it will take years of organizing to develop a > Lenin or a Castro. One should never look at the world with a preconceived calendar. An Arab "Lenine or Castro" will not be a Lenin or a Castro, but an Mahmoud or an Suleiman or a Said. And the social classes forge their leadership, if needed, in the heat of the battles. The only thing one can rely on, is that one will experience all kinds of surprises. The only stable element is the rapid changes occurring all the time... Sure, it is a disadvantage of this Arab revolution, that there has not been a Bolshevik party brewing all the time (whereas the historic Bolshevik party had a Lenin to bring it on the correct course in the heat of the revolution, in April 1917). And that we have instead the dead weight of Stalinism on the one hand, and the "color revolutions" à la Soros on the other hand. And that now, the revolutionary upheaval in one Arab country, Libya, resulted in the movement's leadership being in a close alliance with the very forces which the Arab revolution had been directed against. It will be hard to sort that out, and I hope this will be possible without too much bloodshed. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Propaganda campaign for escalation of imperialist war is well underway
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Fred Feldman (ffeld...@bellatlantic.net) wrote on 2011-04-06 at 10:13:46 in about [Marxism] Propaganda campaign for escalation of imperialist war is well underway: > > I note that a shift in the definition of left "internationalism" is taking > shape, resembling, in my opinion, the post-World War II period when > "internationalism" became the label liberals put on the Cold War consensus > and supporting NATO, the Korean war, the Cuban Missile Crisis and the > Vietnam War -- all, of course, wars for democracy and humanitarianism > against communist totalitarianism. For large parts of the so-called "left" (left of what? I always wonder) of the "generation 1968", "internationalism" always meant interfering in the internal affairs of other countries instead of starting with a look at the world and looking at one's "own" country from a world perspective. That's how all the Bernard Kouchners and Joschka Fischers could become war mongers so easily. They were still imbued with "the White Man's Burden" and a feeling of _pity_ for the unwashed masses of the colonies instead of a fighting solidarity. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Is opposition to Gadhafi near-universal?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Marv Gandall (marvg...@gmail.com) wrote on 2011-04-05 at 19:20:28 in about Re: [Marxism] Is opposition to Gadhafi near-universal? (Was:Seif and Saadi seek to throw daddy overboard): > > > To me, this creates the impression that Marvin is looking for someone to > > blame for his own political mistakes and Gadhafi, not being a particularly > > admirable human being, provides an ideal scapegoat. > > I don't consider it a "political mistake". I still believe that if the no-fly > zone weren't established, there was every possibility of a bloodbath in Benghazi. > So you actually ARE FOR the imperialist aggression against Libya and the Arab revolution. In Tunis and Egypt, a new pride of being Arab woke up: "we can do it ourselves, we don't have to rely on foreign powers". In Libya, with the active help of super-reveolutionists from imperialist countries, this was destroyed: NO! the super-revolutionists says. "NO! You can't do it yourself, you need us! We are carrying the White Man's Burden to save the unwashed masses of this planet from destroying us and themselves!" That is your message, if you spell it out explicitly ot not. You voice is undistinguishable from the howling wolves of the imperialist propaganda machine. As you wrote yourself in your previous contribution 2011-04-05 at 18:47:50. > It appears I was adapting to imperialist pressure in suggesting there was a near-universal consensus that Gadhafi should quit, and I stand corrected. > You let your thinking and action being determined by the "enemigo de la humanidad", as the Sandinista hymn so aptly describes the empire. Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany visit http://www.mlwerke.de Marx, Engels, Luxemburg, Lenin, Trotzki in German Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fidel Castro
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Les Schaffer (schaf...@optonline.net) wrote on 2011-03-31 at 09:32:39 in about Re: [Marxism] Fidel Castro: > > On 03/31/2011 07:31 AM, Lüko Willms wrote: > > Discussion has not happened, since the friends of the imperial attacks > > on the Arab revolution like to slander seasoned revolutionary leaders > > as Fidel Castro, but do not take up his real arguments. > > Lou: look, this has got to stop or we should shut marxmail down. What is "this"? The slander thrown at seasoned revolutionary leaders like Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez, the slander thrown at me and other participants which dare to differ with the official line spread by CNN etc? Or what? If you think that I should not have stated the fact that many people, even some participating on this list, actually do welcome the military attack by Imperialism on Libya, but that this would imply that you feel yourself be attacked, then you should say the same about other people's slander spread again and again on this list. E.g. the slander contained in the Subject line "Hugo Chavez and Israel agree on one thing at least". Equal rights for everyone, or? Dictatorship of opinion, which excludes voicing support for independence for the country so long colonized, oppressed, plundered by the USA and the European colonialists? Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Millions of Syrians Rally for Syria and Bashar
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Einde O'Callaghan (eind...@freenet.de) wrote on 2011-03-31 at 14:23:53 in about Re: [Marxism] Millions of Syrians Rally for Syria and Bashar: making a good point: GMcL>>> I am opposed to dictators > > LW>> Aha, one more who is against the dictatorship of the proletariat. > > > Yawn! What a cheap debating point! Unworthy of you, Lüko! No, it was to elicit explanations as yours: > As you should know, what Marx (and indeed all 19th century historians, > politicians, theoreticians etc.) understood by the word "dictatorship" > is quite different from the everyday meaning it acquired during the > first half of the 20th century and continues to have today. Exactly. Today "dictator" is a propaganda formula which is void of content, an ideological "Kampfbegriff", as we say in German. Just like -- you know it yourself -- as the German bourgeois propagandists insist on calling the GDR an "Unrechtsstaat". I wanted somebody else stumping McLellans nose on the fact that he is operating completely within the framework of bourgeois ideology. Yours, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] "Friends of the imperialist attacks" (wasRe: Fidel Castro
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Lou Paulsen (loupaul...@sbcglobal.net) wrote on 2011-03-31 at 09:08:34 in about [Marxism] "Friends of the imperialist attacks" (wasRe: Fidel Castro: > > Lueko, I think you're mistaken. I don't see any supporters of imperialist intervention here. At any rate Proyect is not one. I would suggest that you not call anyone else a "friend of imperialism", just as I would urge others not to call people "friends of massacring people in cold blood." > OK, let both sides return to a debate which does not spread denigratory remarks about others. OK? But that should be valid for _all._ Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] 'Guardian': Can Libya "revolutionary" troops cut the mustard?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Fred Feldman (ffeld...@bellatlantic.net) wrote on 2011-03-30 at 23:41:18 in about [Marxism] 'Guardian': Can Libya "revolutionary" troops cut the mustard?: quoting an article from the British Guardian newspaper: > On the ground, rebels appeal for bigger rocket launchers, artillery > and more air strikes. [...] "We need what Gaddafi has," said > Ghanem Barsi at a rebel checkpoint. > Like many revolutionaries, he blamed their difficulties on weaponry > rather than training and tactics. and politics... > "We need Grads [rockets] like Gaddafi has. We need > tanks like Gaddafi has. We need weapons that can kill his rockets and > tanks." This shows the tragic problem of the Libyan part of the revolutionary wave which is shaking the Arab countries: the abandonment of mass mobilisation replacing political arguments by deadly bullets. Killing the political opponent instead of winning his mind with arguments and the power of millions mobilized people. This was certainly more difficult in Libya than in e.g. Egypt, because of the brutality of the repression by the Qadhafi regime and the weaker different social fabric. It had required a stronger, I mean more political savvy, revolutionary leadership. Well, this wasn't there, so we have to continue with the unfortunate situation which actually had arisen: the rebellion against the pro-capitalist regime has ended up to be the "useful idiots" for the imperialist effort to stop and roll back the revolutionary wave shaking the Arab countries: > The revolution's de facto finance minister, Ali Tarhouni, claims that there > are 1,000 trained fighters among the rebels but there is little evidence of > it on the battlefield where the anti-Gaddafi forces appear capable of > advancing only when the way is cleared by foreign air strikes. The next step forward out of this mess will have to come by the emergence of forces which struggle to re-unify the Libyan people in a struggle for sovereignty and a constituant assembly, and this will be confronted right away not only with the outgoing regime of Colonel Qadhafi, but also the imperialist powers and their local allies. The following from the "Guardian" might tell the future revolutionaries what is in stock for them: > The lack of control over Libya's rebel army also raises questions > about how it might behave as an occupying force > were it to take over a town such as Sirte > which has not risen up in support of the revolution > and where the Libyan leader is believed to retain some support. > > Killings of alleged mercenaries in Benghazi, the rebels' de facto capital, > as well as the large numbers of young men who have assumed > an authority over ordinary citizens apparently only granted by their guns, > will raise questions about how an ill disciplined and unaccountable force > will behave on taking control of a potentially less welcoming city. > It would be embarrassing, to say the least, if even some of the rebels > armed by Britain or the US were to carry out the kind of atrocities > the west says it is intervening in Libya to prevent. But which the imperialist and pro-imperialist forces will be pushed to, if they want to achieve their goal, i.e. putting Libya back under full imperialist control and to stop and roll back the ongoing Arab revolution. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Abd el Krim
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Querido Nestor, Am 2011-03-30 um 18:11:27 schrieb Néstor Gorojovsky : > These barbarians have always been a tough bone for imperialists to bite. > > During the 1920s, the Spanish imperialists, among others Francisco Franco, > were thoroughly defeated by the barbarian Abd el Krim in Spanish Morocco. > > Abd el Krim was worse than Gaddafi, indeed, as to democratic credentials. > > But the ones who he fought against were the future leaders > of the Francoite dictatorship. > Can?t those cdes. who stress the "undemocratic" character of Gaddafi see > that they are spitting to the sky?? Except that one can't say that Qadhafi is leading much of a struggle against the imperialists, but more against the civil-war party centered in Benghazi. A revolutionary change would be if he or the rebels would launch an appeal to unite against the foreign enemy. That would change radically the conditions for the imperialist war to retake Libya. But contrariwise, the Benghazi based rebels are allied not only with the imperialist enemy of humanity (as the Sandinista hymn goes), but also with all those absolute monarchs and civil dictators of the Arab countries, which are the primary target of revolutionary wave which is shaking the Arab nation. President Saleh of Yemen, Sheikh Khalifa of Bahrein, the Saudi princes, all voted for the imperialist onslought against Libya, the rebellion in Libya and the Arab revolution overall. Qadhafi's nonsense about Al Kaida being behind the rebellion was aimed at the imperialists showing them that he, Qadhafi, is on THEIR side against "islamist terror" and that they should take sides accordingly in the civil war raging in Libya. What these types never realize, although it is demonstrated again and again, is that the capitalists have not the slightest gratitude towards their house-negros in the colonies and sub-lieutenants in the working class: on the contrary they accumulate more and more hate against their underlings which they have to rely on, and crush them merilessly when they are no longer needed. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / lueko.wil...@t-online.de Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Hugo Chavez and Israel agree on one thing at least
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Dennis Brasky (dmozart1...@gmail.com) wrote on 2011-03-30 at 12:43:35 in about Re: [Marxism] Hugo Chavez and Israel agree on one thing at least: > > > Thank you Luko for unmasking me and all others who dare to disagree with > > you, as echoes of if not outright enemies of the Arab Revolution. This is again YOU who are saying that, another denial of reality. Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany visit http://www.mlwerke.de Marx, Engels, Luxemburg, Lenin, Trotzki in German Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Early Morning Theses for Discussion
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Louis Proyect (l...@panix.com) wrote on 2011-03-29 at 11:40:46 in about Re: [Marxism] Early Morning Theses for Discussion: > > On 3/28/2011 4:09 PM, Lüko Willms wrote: > > The real issue is to defend the independence of the "socialist countries" > > against imperialist attack, not the form and personnel of government which > > might at one given moment be in force there. > > So is that the reason you tried to put a positive spin on the > Qaddafi boys living it up in St. Barts? What do you hope to achieve by playing the court jester on your own chat line? You have no more anything factual to to say on the various earth quakes, natural and political, about war and peace? Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fidel: "NATO's Fascist War" -- reflection 2011-03-28
nuclear crisis hitting Japan following the quake and tsunami that killed thousands of people and left 500 000 homeless. New quake reported in the Tokyo area. There are reports talking about even more concerning issues. Some refer to the presence of toxic radioactive iodine in Tokyo's drinking water, which doubles the tolerable amount that can be consumed by the smallest children in the Japanese capital. One of these reports says that the stocks of bottled water are shrinking in Tokyo, a city located in a prefecture at more than 200 kilometers from Fukushima. This series of circumstances poses a dramatic situation on our world. I can express freely my views on the war in Libya. I do not share political or religious views with the leader of that country. I am a Marxist-Leninist and a follower of Marti, as I have already said. I see Libya as a member of the Non-Aligned Movement and a sovereign State of the nearly 200 members of the United Nations. Never, a large or small country, in this case with only 5 million inhabitants, was the victim of such a brutal attack by the air force of a militaristic organization with thousands of fighter-bombers, more than 100 submarines, nuclear aircraft carriers, and sufficient arsenal to destroy the planet many times over. Our species had never encountered this situation and there had been nothing similar 75 years ago, when the Nazi bombers attacked targets in Spain. Now, however, the criminal and discredited NATO will write a "beautiful" little story about its "humanitarian" bombing. If Gaddafi honors the traditions of his people and decides to fight to the last breath, as he has promised, together with the Libyans who are facing the worst bombing a country has ever suffered, NATO and its criminal projects will sink into the mire of shame. The people respect and believe in men who fulfill their duty. More than 50 years ago, when the United States killed more than a hundred Cubans with the explosion of merchant ship "La Coubre" our people proclaimed "Patria o Muerte." (Homeland or Death). They have fulfilled this, and have always been determined to keep their word. "Anyone who tries to seize Cuba," said the most glorious fighter in our history-"will only gather the dust of her soil soaked in blood." I beg you to excuse the frankness with which I address the issue. Fidel Castro Ruz 28 March 2011 8:14 p.m. - off > source > <http://en.cubadebate.cu/reflections-fidel/2011/03/29/natos-fascist-war/> > original > <http://www.cubadebate.cu/reflexiones-fidel/2011/03/29/la-guerra-fascista-de-la-otan/> Note: this is the first of Fidel's "reflections" to appear in translation in the multilanguage editions of "Cubadebate". Just replace the "en" with your 2-letter-language mnemonic and find out. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / lueko.wil...@t-online.de Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Early Morning Theses for Discussion
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Louis Proyect (l...@panix.com) wrote on 2011-03-28 at 10:47:19 in about Re: [Marxism] Early Morning Theses for Discussion: > > One of the unfortunate legacies of Stalinism has been its tendency > to defend dictatorship in "actually existing" socialist countries. The real issue is to defend the independence of the "socialist countries" against imperialist attack, not the form and personnel of government which might at one given moment be in force there. This applies even more to the former colonized countries known today as the "Third World" -- nations oppressed and exploited by imperialism. The problem which I see in Louis Proyect's contribution is that he sticks to the habit of seeing only the ruling personnel as in the quote above, just that he has reversed the plus sign into a minus sign. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Who actually conquered Ajdabiya?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Paddy Apling (e.c.apl...@btinternet.com) wrote on 2011-03-29 at 13:23:44 in about Re: [Marxism] Who actually conquered Ajdabiya?: > > It is interesting that the British Foreign Secretary, David Hague, yesterday > insisted that the "NATO forces" are "only" acting to protect civilians - Well, in Ajdabiya, this "protection of civilians" has produced several truckloads of deads which have be buried in a mass grave, pushed in that by a bulldozer, according to reports in the German media (FAZ, N24). > whether attacked by either Gaddaffi forces of the "rebels". They, "of > course" are not taking sides - just securing their future interests for > "humanitarian" reasons - thus keeping all their options open, they hope... > > This is a position calculated to cause problems of analysis by all > left-wingers - and also to obtain support from the vast non-political mass > of the UK population, who undoubtedly, in general, have developed great > sympathy for the Arab revolution. Remember Che Guevara speaking in the UN plenary assembly? How he explained that "we must not trust the imperalists the slightest, not even this" showing how he pressed is thumb and finger tightly togehter. Does anybody believe the propaganda lies of the war lords in Washington, London, Paris, Rome, Berlin etc? Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Arab Revolution : what's next ?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Dennis Brasky (dmozart1...@gmail.com) wrote on 2011-03-28 at 21:33:35 in about Re: [Marxism] Arab Revolution : what's next ?: > > > The Arab Revolution has achieved promises of "Parliamentary Democracy" > > and the ousting of hated nepotist regimes. > > The working class participated in the revolution, but the upper-middle > > class is the winning class. > Such pessimism. The struggle is not over comrade; it's entering the next > stage. This next stage has begun prematurely with the direkt armed intervention of the USA and the old colonial masters of Arabia against the revolution. The next stage will require the development of a working-class consciousness, bringing out a corresponding leadership which puts unity and indepencence of the whole Arab nation on the agenda, to be won under the leadership of a working-class party. And only such a unified and independent Arab nation will be able to protect the democratic rights of national minorities like the Berber/Imazhigen in the Maghreb or Kurds and Jews in the Mashrak. It would have been better if the masses would have more time for this development, but the reality is as it is -- one would have had a direct confrontation with the US empire sooner or later. It is now. It must just enter the consciousness that this _is_ actually the enemy. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] US using helicopter gunships to win cites for "rebels"
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Fred Feldman (ffeld...@bellatlantic.net) wrote on 2011-03-29 at 09:11:11 in about [Marxism] US using helicopter gunships to win cites for "rebels": > > It remains to be seen whether, how things will look after the battle for > Surt has been won by the imperialistd for the "revolutionaries." A thought came me today that maybe the imperialists could lure the "rebel" detachment (which is getting further and further away from its base in Benghazi, and must be dwindling because of attrition and diminishing supplies) into a trap, an ambush. That way they could put themselves in an even greater role to determine the government of Libya which they want, like a protectorate. Maybe they look to Afghanistan as a model. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] thinking out loud about post-Qaddafi Libya
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Andrew Pollack (acpolla...@gmail.com) wrote on 2011-03-27 at 13:53:31 in about [Marxism] thinking out loud about post-Qaddafi Libya: > > And the rebellious masses today in Libya are in a position similar to > that of the workers and peasants in those countries after WWII, > pushing for real liberation once the fascists are gone. > Only they have no French or Greek-style CPs to sell them out -- nor > Yugoslavia or Chinese CPs to pressure into taking power. The Greeks had the British imperialists replacing the German imperialists as the occupying power repressing the working class movement. They did not really need much of a stalinist party to help them. On the contrary, the British organized a bloody repression of the stalinist CP as of all other forces thought of representing the working class movement. But in Libya the rebels have now a leadership which is strongly pro-imperialist, pro-capitalist and 100% dependent on the old colonial powers (it is worth looking back to France and England trying to take back the Suez Canal in 1956, together with the colonial settler state Israel). This current leadership of the Benghazi rebels is much more dependent on imperialism than the stalinists were at the end of the previous world war and its aftermath. On the contrary, in Italy there was a veritable race between the Partigiani who organized a popular revolt against the fascists and German occupation troops, and the US imperialists trying advance as fast as possible from Sicily to the North, in order to prevent a victory of the Italien revolutionists. In Libya it is quite clear that it was not the rebels which conquered Ajdabiya, but that the city fell to them without a combat after the massacre of the French and British air force of the Libyan army soldiers. Scores of soldiers and others were buried by bulldozer in a mass grave, I read in the FAZ. Corpses were transported "by truckloads", another reporter on the ground told his TV audience. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Could Syria govt killiings open door to wider "humanitarian war" in Mideast?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == DW (dwalters...@gmail.com) wrote on 2011-03-27 at 11:39:47 in about [Marxism] Could Syria govt killiings open door to wider "humanitarian war" in Mideast?: > > I will, 'thinking out loud' that direct US intervention in Syria is > very unlikely. Haven't you written the same stuff short time ago about an imperialist attack on Libya? Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Energy and the Tsunami
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == DW (dwalters...@gmail.com) wrote on 2011-03-27 at 21:20:15 in about Re: [Marxism] Energy and the Tsunami: > > What matters is that in an era of 9.0 earthquakes consideration of > that the tsunami did should of been on everyone's mind...it wasn't, One can increase the safety measures as much as one wants, there will alway be a remainder risk. There is no 100% guarantee that there will never arise a problem which hasn't be considered and taken care of before. Technology should be fault-tolerant, i.e. be resilient in dealing with external interferences and internal malfunctions, without suffering too much damage itself, and not causing too much damage to the external world. Nuclear energy isn't fault-tolerant, as we can see currently in Japan. A fault in a nuclear power station has consequences which are too far reaching for being tolerable, especially in densely populated areas like Japan. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] "Workers' stake in opposing attacks" [The Militant]
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == FYI... - cut --- Workers' stake in opposing attacks (front page / editorial) There are big stakes for working people the world over in opposing the military assault on Libya by Washington, London, Paris, and other imperialist powers. These air strikes are being carried out in the interests of the same U.S., British, French, and other capitalist ruling families that are seeking to bust our unions, imposing austerity measures to drive down our living standards, and slashing jobs and speeding up work to boost their profits. The imperialist powers are the deadly enemy of working people in Libya, as they have been for more than a century. President Barack Obama claims the air strikes are necessary for "humanitarian" reasons. But that pretext is nothing but a bald-faced lie-made easier for the aggressors by Moammar Gadhafi's threat to residents of Benghazi that his forces would "have no mercy and no pity" if they conquered that stronghold of opposition to his regime. As they have done from the Balkans to the Middle East to Central Asia in recent decades, the imperialist governments are using their military might to bring to heel, and if possible to topple, a regime that no longer serves their class interests. Washington and its partners looked on for weeks as Gadhafi's armed forces and hired mercenaries pummeled working people across Libya who had rebelled against his dictatorial rule. As the regime's troops were on the verge of entering Benghazi-once enough blood had been spilled to make intervention more palatable to bourgeois public opinion worldwide-the imperialist powers struck. All the posturing by Washington, London, and Paris as "saviors" of the Libyan people, however, cannot obscure what they are really after. Each of the participating capitalist governments seeks to stabilize the situation in that oil-rich country and region in order to strengthen its strategic interests and keep on raking in profits from the exploitation of workers and other toilers there. The imperialist rulers need a regime in Libya-or in part of it-that is more beholden to them. At the same time, the competing economic and political interests among the intervening capitalist powers, and the tensions these rivalries produce, have come to the fore since the outset of "Operation Odyssey Dawn." But "saving" working people in Libya from the brutality of the Gadhafi regime counts for nothing in these conflicts. The fight by working people and others in Libya to topple the Gadhafi regime gained momentum earlier this year in the wake of mobilizations in Tunisia and then Egypt to end long-standing dictatorships in those countries. The ongoing rebellions across northern Africa and the Middle East are a response to intolerable conditions confronting working people in face of today's global capitalist crisis. Millions of workers, peasants, and youth are fed up with the suppression of basic democratic freedoms that make it harder for them to organize-on the land, in the factories, and in the streets-to defend themselves and form their own unions and political organizations. Working people in the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, France, and the world over have common class interests with our brothers and sisters in Libya in opposing the imperialist military assault. What's more, the soldiers and sailors deployed by the wealthy rulers in Washington, London, and Paris are workers and farmers in their big majority-not the sons and daughters of those who send them into harm's way. Working people the world over should demand: "Stop the air strikes! Hands off Libya!" Related articles: Stop assault on Libya! Washington, London, Paris launch air strikes Protests widen for ouster of Yemeni dictator -------- off > source <http://www.themilitant.com/2011/7513/751302.html> Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / lueko.wil...@t-online.de Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] the Japanese nuclear disaster
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Gary MacLennan (gary.maclenn...@gmail.com) wrote on 2011-03-27 at 11:55:04 in about [Marxism] the Japanese nuclear disaster: > > I was struck by his citing of the data that the plant at 40 something > was "ageing". My reaction, if I may use that term, was > to wonder aloud if that meant there was something like > a life span limit on nuclear power stations? Sure, the artificial induced radiation produces lots of radioactive material, and also changes the chemical composition of the power plant itself. One can't simply demolish a nuclear power station like one where coal, oil or gas had been burned. The nuclear power station has to be treated as radioactive waste. I think 40 years is already very high. There are two problems with nuclear power: 1) it produces more radioactive matter than was present before, and for which there is no way to stock it in a safe manner for hundreds of thousands of years; 2) if a real problem occurs, the consequences tend to be a giant catastrophe. We see this currently developing in Japan around the Fukushima plant: large swaths of land become uninhabitable, agriculture is becoming impossible in large areas, water supplies become radioactively contaminated, even -- as in the Fukushima case -- the sea becomes radioactive, which makes fishery impossible. It is nearly impossible to limit the scope of the disaster. As fascinating as the seemingly easy liberation of the energy keeping an atom together might look for generating electric energy, its consquences even during a trouble free operation are endangering organic life on Earth, and the consequences of an accident, as low as its probability might be, are by far too devastating. A rising level of radioactivity is not compatible with organic life. Nuclear power should be abandoned in favor of directly using the main energy source which had made organic life possible on this planet: the sun. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Who actually conquered Ajdabiya?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The Benghazi-based Libyan "rebels" or the French and British airforce? With their air force, the old colonial powers have destroyed all the Libyan military hardware around Ajdabiya -- tanks, personel carriers etc -- and killed scores of Libyan soldiers. The report of a German TV news channel (N24) spoke of "truckloads of corpses, some heavily mutilated" which had been brought to the Ajdabiya hospital. After that carnage, the Benghazi fighters could enter the city apparently without any resistance. But if their advance towards the country's capital is facilited only by the imperialist air force, what can be the rebel's actual power base? Only the colonial conquerers... Maybe Sarkozy can find a new job in Libya for his old friend Ben Ali, which he could not save from the popular revolt in neighboring Tunisia? Sarkozy's prime minister announced that the "Arab policy" of the Grrrande Nation would change from prioritzing "stability" to "allowing the [Arab] peoples to achieve freedom and democracy" -- with the help of the absolut monarchs of the Gulf emirates and Katar... One has to be an absolute fool to swallow these propaganda lies. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / lueko.wil...@t-online.de Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] NYT: Allies split over goals and exit strategy
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Fred Feldman (ffeld...@bellatlantic.net) wrote on 2011-03-25 at 08:05:51 in about [Marxism] NYT: Allies split over goals and exit strategy: > > Only on Thursday, the sixth day of air and missile strikes, did the allies > reach an agreement to give command of the no-fly operation to NATO after > days of public quarreling that exposed the divisions among the alliances > members. This is not correctly stated. The German media report it otherwise: NATO has taken up the charge of supervising the no-fly zone (which is not a big deal, since the aggressors say that they have completely destroyed the Libyan air force), while France, Britain and the USA are free to attack whatever, where ever, and when ever they want. And the marks being attacked by the e.g. French military have not had anything to do with a "no-fly zone", aiming at trucks, tanks, ground artillery and personel carriers. After having "lost Tunisia" (and with this also MAM [Michèle Alliot-Marie]), Total-Elf wants to secure at least Libya... It is quite interesting to follow the newscasts of the various imperialist nations, and not their differences and contradictions. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Cubadebate opens its new Web page in English (and other languages)
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == -- cut --- Cubadebate opens its new Web page in English Mar 22nd, 20113 Cubadebate English With versions of Fidel Castro's Reflections, El Paso Diary of José Pertierra, exclusive materials from Cuba's Reasons series and news articles about various national and international themes, Cubadebate opens today its Web page in English that you can find at: <http://en.cubadebate.cu>. Of course, it will be always updated with information about the Cuban Five that are in jail in the United States, and the world wide solidarity for the freedom of these fighters against terrorism, that already have more than 12 years in prison after a judgment marred of irregularities and injustices in Miami. --- off -- There is also <http://fr.cubadebate.cu>, i.e. in French. Und <http://de.cubadebate.cu> in deutsch. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / lueko.wil...@t-online.de Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fidel: "The real intentions of the 'Alliance of equals'" - reflection March 23, 2011
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Lüko Willms (lueko.wil...@t-online.de) wrote on 2011-03-23 at 17:21:43 in about [Marxism] Fidel: "The real intentions of the 'Alliance of equals'" - reflection March 23, 2011: > Those who can't read Spanish watch this space for the English > translation! here it comes: cut --- Reflections by Comrade Fidel THE REAL INTENTIONS OF THE "PARTNERSHIP OF EQUALS" Yesterday was a long day. I was paying attention to the ups and downs of Obama in Chile since noon, as I had done the day before with his adventures in the city of Rio de Janeiro. That city, in a brilliant challenge, had defeated Chicago in its aspirations to be the home of the 2016 Olympic Games when the new president of the United States and Nobel Peace Prize laureate was looking like a rival of Martin Luther King. Nobody knew when he would arrive to Santiago de Chile and what a president of the United States would do there when one of his predecessors had committed the painful crime of promoting the overthrow and physical death of their heroic president, horrible tortures and the murders of thousands of Chileans. I for one was trying to follow the news that was coming in about the tragedy in Japan and the brutal war unleashed against Libya while the illustrious visitor was proclaiming the "Partnership of Equals" in the region of the world where wealth is distributed in the worst way. Among so many things, I lost track a bit and saw nothing of the lavish banquet for hundreds of people being served the delicacies nature offered from the sea. The banquet had been served in a Tokyo restaurant , the city where one can pay up to 300,000 dollars for a fresh blue-fin tuna, they had collected up to 10 million dollars. That was too much work for a young man of my age. I wrote a brief Reflection and then went to bed for a long sleep. This morning I was refreshed. My friend wouldn't be arriving to El Salvador until after mid-day. I requested the cable dispatches, Internet articles and other recently arrived material. I saw in the first place that, because of my reflections, the cables had given importance to what I had said about my position as First Party Secretary and I shall explain as briefly as possible. Concentrating on Barack Obama's "Partnership of Equals" , a matter of so much historical importance - I say that seriously - I didn't even remember that next month the Party Congress would be taking place. My position on the subject was basically logical. Once I understood the seriousness of my state of health, I did what I thought, in my opinion, wasn't necessary when I had that painful accident in Santa Clara; after the fall, treatment was tough, but my life was not in danger. On the other hand, when I wrote the Proclamation on the 31st of July it was clear to me that the state of my health was extremely critical. I immediately set aside all my public duties, adding to the proclamation some instructions to provide security and tranquility for the population. It wasn't necessary to specifically step down from each one of my duties. For me, my most important duty was that of First Party Secretary. Because of ideology and on principle, in a revolutionary stage, that political position carries the highest authority. The other position I held was that of President of the Council of State and Government, elected by the National Assembly. Both posts had replacements, and not by virtue of some family connection, something I have never considered to be the source of right, but due to experience and merit. The rank of Commander in Chief had been granted me by the struggle itself, a matter of chance more than because of any personal merit. The Revolution itself, in a subsequent stage, correctly designated headship of all armed institutions to the president, a function that in my opinion, ought to fall to the First Party Secretary. I consider that that's how a country such as Cuba should be, having had to face an obstacle as considerable as the empire created by the United States. Almost 14 years went by since the previous Party Congress; it coincided with the disappearance of the USSR, the socialist bloc, the Special Period and my own illness. When gradually and partially my health was recovered, the idea didn't even cross my mind about the need to proceed formally in order to expressly resign from any position. At that time, I accepted the honour of being elected as Deputy to the National Assembly, something that did not demand my physical presence and with which I might share my ideas. Since I have more time than ever now to observe, to in
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Lies, pictures, war
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Louis Proyect (l...@panix.com) wrote on 2011-03-23 at 12:34:56 in about Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Lies, pictures, war: > > But whatever pressure imperialism was exerting on Libya, was this > related somehow to paying Beyonce, Usher and 50 Cent millions of > dollars to perform at a birthday party for Mutassim Qaddafi on St. > Barts? > > Especially St. Barts. And therefore Libya must be bombed back into stone age? Because the ruler of that "dirty Arabs" dares to use one of the places kept aside for those who bear the White Man's Burden? tut, tut, tut Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fidel: "The real intentions of the 'Alliance of equals'" - reflection March 23, 2011
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The English translation is not yet available, here > <http://www.cubadebate.cu/reflexiones-fidel/2011/03/23/las-verdaderas-intenciones-de-la-%E2%80%9Calianza-igualitaria%E2%80%9D/> you can find the original in castellano (Spanish). Fidel takes up the questions raised by his mentioning in passing in a previous 'reflection' that he had laid down his assignment as first secretary of the Cuban communist party, detailing and explaining his withdrawal from active politics after his intestinal operation. Then he moves to dissect in more detail Obama's speech in Santiago de Chile the day before. This speech can be read at the White House's website here: > <http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/03/21/remarks-president-obama-latin-america-santiago-chile> Those who can't read Spanish watch this space for the English translation! Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / lueko.wil...@t-online.de Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Don't let yourself be carried away by sentiments (was: Lies, pictures, war)
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Louis Proyect (l...@panix.com) wrote on 2011-03-22 at 20:33:36 in about Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Lies, pictures, war: > > Yeah, how can such a government that occupies the moral high ground be > capable of such bestial actions. > Libya acknowledges medics' torture And so so on and so forth. Don't let yourself be carried away by sentiments and panic. In politics, especially revolutionary politics, it is important to keep a cool head and to think about the consequences of one's own words and actions. I think it was a tragical development, that the in face of the violent repression by the Qadhafi regime, the mass mobilisation of national scope got converted into a civil war based on control of parts of the national territory, which ended the intense political altercation in all of the country, supplanting this by a war of one territorial segment of the country against the other. In this situation, the initiative by Chavez, to bring the warring parties back to a political debate, was the only sensible move somebody from the outside could make in order to save the revolution in Libya and the Arab nation as a whole. Imperialism, of course, did pick up this unfortunate development in Libya as a heaven's sent opportunity to stop the revolutionary wave shaking all countries of the Arab nation, stabilize its client regimes especially the absolute monarchies in the Mashrak and Maghreb, and convert the mass movement at best into something like the color revolutions which they engineered e.g. in Ukraine or Grusinia (Georgia). Comrades might want to go back and read the three chapters on the "July days" of Trotsky's "History of the Russian Revolution". The situation is, of course, not the same, but there are lessons to be learned, especially from the way the Bolshevik party under Lenin managed to avoid a catastrophe. And Lenin did certainly not call the German Kaiser and the British colonial empire to help the Bolsheviks against the harsh repression after the July days and the attempted Kornilov coup in August. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fidel: "My shoes are too tight" -- reflection March 22, 2011
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == --- cut - Reflections by Comrade Fidel MY SHOES ARE TOO TIGHT While the damaged reactors spew radioactive smoke over Japan and monstrous-looking planes and nuclear submarines launch deadly charges tele-directed onto Libya, a North African Third World country with barely six million inhabitants, Barack Obama was spinning a tale for the Chileans that sounded like one I used to hear when I was 4 years old: "My shoes are too tight, my socks are too warm; and I carry in my heart the little kiss you gave me". Some of his audience was taken aback in that Cultural Centre in Santiago de Chile [on Monday, March 21, 2011]. When the president looked anxiously over his audience after mentioning perfidious Cuba[1], expecting an explosion of applause, there was icy silence. Behind him, oh, yes! felicitous coincidence! among all the other Latin American flags, there precisely was Cuba's. If he were to turn for a second, over his right shoulder he would have seen, like a shadow, the symbol of the Revolution on the rebel Island that his mighty country wanted to destroy, but could not. Anybody would be, without a doubt, extraordinarily optimistic if they were expecting the peoples of Our America to applaud the 50th anniversary of the mercenary Bay of Pigs invasion, 50 years of cruel economic blockade of a sister country, 50 years of threats and terrorist attacks that cost thousands of lives, 50 years of plans to assassinate the leaders of the historic process. I heard myself being mentioned in his words. In truth, I gave my services to the Revolution for a long time, but I never eluded risks nor violated constitutional, ideological or ethical principles; I regret not having better health so that I could carry on serving the Revolution. I resigned, without hesitation, all my state and political positions, including that of First Secretary of the Party, when I became ill and I never tried to exercise them after the Proclamation of July 31, 2006, even when I partially recovered my health more than a year later, although everyone continued to affectionately address me in that manner. But I am and shall continue to be as I promised: a soldier of ideas, as long as I can think or breathe. When they asked Obama about the coup against heroic President Salvador Allende, promoted as many others by the United States, and about the mysterious death of Eduardo Frei Montalva, murdered by agents of DINA, a creation of the American government, he lost his composure and began to stammer. The commentary on Chilean television at the end of his speech was, without a doubt, accurate when it stated that Obama had nothing to offer the Hemisphere. As for me, I don't want to give the impression that I felt any hatred for his person, much less for the people of the United States; I acknowledge the contributions many of its sons and daughters have made to culture and science. Obama now has before him a trip to El Salvador tomorrow, on Tuesday. There he is going to have to be quite inventive because, in that sister nation in Central America, the weapons and training received from the governments of his country spilt much blood. I wish him bon voyage and a bit more good sense. Fidel Castro Ruz March 21, 2011 9:32 p.m. --- off > source <http://www.cuba.cu/gobierno/reflexiones/2011/ing/f210311i.html> > original > <http://www.cubadebate.cu/reflexiones-fidel/2011/03/22/los-zapaticos-me-aprietan/> > Notes: [1] The Chilean (conservative) daily reports this about Obama mentioning Cuba in said speech in Santiago de Chile: cut - Independencia del pueblo cubano Junto a lo anterior, se refirió a los pasos que los países deben dar en torno al tema de la inmigración, para que cada Estado pueda ofrecer oportunidades a sus ciudadanos, y a la lucha permanente por los Derechos Humanos. En ese sentido, mencionó el caso de Cuba y la necesidad de que los isleños tengan mayor independencia de sus autoridades. "En el futuro seguiremos buscando formas de apoyar la independencia del pueblo de Cuba que creo que tiene el mismo derecho a la libertad que cualquier otro en el hemisferio. Yo haré este esfuerzo para tratar de quebrantar esta historia que ahora perdura más que la trayectoria de mi vida. Las autoridades cubanas deben tomar una decisión para defender los derechos básicos del pueblo cubano, porque ellos lo merecen", enfatizó. - off -- > <http://www.emol.com/noticias/nacional/detalle/detallenoticias.asp?idnoticia=471406> Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / lueko.wil...@t-online.de Send list submiss
[Marxism] Fidel: "Partnership of equals" - reflections on March 20, 2011
, the torture and murder of thousands of persons, would Mr. Obama be asking forgiveness of the Chilean people? Fidel Castro Ruz March 20, 2011 8:14 p.m. --- off --- > source <http://www.cuba.cu/gobierno/reflexiones/2011/ing/f200311i.html> > original > <http://www.cubadebate.cu/reflexiones-fidel/2011/03/21/la-alianza-igualitaria/> Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / lueko.wil...@t-online.de Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] This could be a long war, top Sarkozy adviser says (from AP via Salon.com)
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == ..Begin Forwarded Message.. From: "Fred Feldman" To: , , ,'Lüko Willms' Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 13:45:46 -0400 Subject: Top Sarkozy adviser hints UNSCC war could be long British and French military officers have also said that the "whatever" provision of the UNSC resolution would allow them to use ground troops if required. Fred Feldman > <http://www.salon.com/news/libya/index.html?story=/news/feature/2011/03/21/libya_intervention_take_a_while> Monday, Mar 21, 2011 08:20 ET Top Sarkozy advisor warns of a long fight in Libya Top French official claims international intervention in Libya could be an extended operation By RYAN LUCAS and HADEEL AL-SHALCHI, Associated Press International military intervention in Libya is likely to last "a while," a top French official said Monday, echoing Moammar Gadhafi's warning of a long war ahead as rebels, energized by the strikes on their opponents, said they were fighting to reclaim a city under siege from the Libyan leader's forces. Burned-out tanks and personnel carriers littered the main desert road leading southwest from Benghazi, the rebel's capital in the east of the country -- the remains of a pro-Gadhafi force that had been besieging the city until it was pounded by international strikes the past two nights. Rebel fighters in Benghazi had now pushed down that highway to the outskirts of the city of Ajdabiya, which pro-Gadhafi forces have surrounded and been pounding with artillery and strikes since last week. The rebels swept into the nearby oil port of Zwitina, just northeast of the city, which was also the scene of heavy fighting last week -- though now had been abandoned by regime forces. There, a power station hit by shelling on Thursday was still burning, its blackened fuel tank crumpled, with flames and black smoke pouring out. Oil prices held above $102 a barrel after the second night of allied strikes in the OPEC nation raised fears of prolonged fighting that has already slowed Libyan oil production to a trickle. Henri Guaino, a top adviser to the French president, said two nights of bombing runs and missile attacks had hobbled Libya's air defenses, stalled Gadhafi's troops and all but ended attacks on civilians. A cruise missile late Sunday blasted Gadhafi's residential compound near his iconic tent, and fighter jets destroyed a line of tanks moving on the rebel capital. It was not known where Gadhafi was when the missile hit Sunday, but it seemed to show that he is not safe. Guaino, asked how long the allied efforts would continue, replied simply: "A while yet." The U.N. resolution authorizing international military action in Libya not only sets up a no-fly zone but allows "all necessary measures" to prevent attacks on civilians. Since the airstrikes began, the number of civilians fleeing Libya has decreased as Libyans in particular wait out the rapidly changing situation, the U.N. refugee agency said Monday. It was a dramatic turnaround in Libya's month-old upheaval: For 10 days, Gadhafi's forces had been on a triumphant offensive against the rebel-held east, driving opposition fighters back with the overwhelming firepower of tanks, artillery, warplanes and warships. Last week, as rebels fell back, the stream of civilians crossing into Egypt alone reached 3,000 a day. Then, after the no-fly zone was imposed Friday, the number fell to about 1,500 a day, said UNHCR spokeswoman Sybella Wilkes. Mohammed Abdul-Mullah, a 38-year-old civil engineer from Benghazi who was fighting with the rebel force, said government troops stopped all resistance after the international campaign began. "They were running, by foot and in small cars," he said. "The balance has changed a lot. But pro-Gadhafi forces are still strong. They are a professional military and they have good equipment. Ninety percent of us rebels are civilians, while Gadhafi's people are professional fighters." Rebel fighters descending from Benghazi met no resistance as they moved to the outskirts of Ajdabiya. In a field of dunes several miles (kilometers) outside the city, around 150 fighters massed. Some stood on the dunes with binoculars to survey the positions of pro-Gadhafi forces sealing off the entrances of the city. Ajdabiya itself was visible, black smoke rising, apparently from fires burning from fighting in recent days. "There are five Gadhafi tanks and eight rocket launchers behind those trees and lots of 4x4s," said one rebel fighter, Fathi Obeidi, standing on a dune and pointing at a line of trees between his position and the city. Ghadafi forces have ringed t
[Marxism] Fwd: Who are the Libyan rebels? (WSJ: Libya's Rebels Embrace West)
ault on the rebel capital. Men at intersections thrust bottles of water and juice into passing cars; one even handed out wads of cash to every Benghazi family passing by. Yet it is this kind of spontaneous activism that prompted the ragtag revolutionary fighters to overextend their lines with an unprepared push into the oil town of Ras Lanuf two weeks ago, prompting Col. Gadhafi's devastating counteroffensive that ended up bringing regime troops back into Benghazi this weekend. "The youths are enthusiastic and they do not accept any fixed military plans," complained the rebels' military chief of staff, Gen. Abdel Fattah Younis, until recently Col. Gadhafi's minister of interior. "They rushed ahead, and there are consequences for that." The cross-section of young fighters who answered that call to battle could be seen at the front lines. Mohammed al-Duraif, a self-proclaimed follower of the fundamentalist Salafi brand of Islam, unloaded boxes of ammunition from a pickup truck. "Allahu Akbar""God is great"he proclaimed with each new box. He handed them off to Ali Yussuf, who sported Ray-Ban aviator sunglasses and slim-fit Levis. Mr. Yussuf's inspirations in life, he said: reggae legend Bob Marley and the professional wrestler Randy Orton. Write to Yaroslav Trofimov at yaroslav.trofi...@wsj.com and Charles Levinson at charles.levin...@wsj.com = WALTER LIPPMANN Havana, Cuba Editor-in-Chief, CubaNews http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CubaNews/ "Cuba - Un Paraíso bajo el bloqueo" = ...End Forwarded Message.. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / lueko.wil...@t-online.de Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Thieves fall out, or who commands the war against Libya?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Fidel Castro was wrong: he always talked about a NATO-war against Libya in his reflections, but actually the NATO does not play a role in the carnage hitting the Libyan people. NATO might even be the first casualty of the war north of the Mediterranean. The French government, which strongly pushed for the attack against Libya, launched the first strikes on Friday, March 18, while an international conference still took place in Paris of several countries to coordinate the attack on Libya, without waiting for the outcome of the deliberations. In the night, the USA and Britain launched a coordinated wave of attacks with more than 100 cruise missiles against the Arab country. If you listen to e.g. CNN (the Corporate News Network, one of the WMD, i.e. Weapons of Mass Disinformation), the attacks have been led from the US military headquarters in Stuttgart Germany. But are the French attacks really under the command of the Anglo-Saxons? The word goes that the USA would like to withdraw into the background of the military action against the Arab revolution, the way they had allowed France and Britain to appear as the forces pushing for the war in the first place. The USA would like to move the command to NATO, which is actually the corral in which the USA keeps its European continents under its domination. But the NATO council sits together in Brussels infighting about the war, for several days now, and without a solution in sight. On the extreme ends, both France and Turkey are against NATO taking the lead in the war against; Turkey because it does not make its hands dirty with an active military role in this war against an Arab country, where Turkish capitalists would rather penetrate economically. And France's President Bling-bling would like to keep the command in his own hands. Italy's foreign minister Frattini has threatened to withdraw the permission to use air fields on Sicily and further north in Italy for the attacks, if there is not a unified comand structure coming together. There is lots of high-quality oil in Libya, and the question is if it is to be exploited by Total-Elf, BP, Agip, or Chevron, just to name a few. Wintershall, the mining subsidiary of German chemical giant BASF is (or was) also active in the exploitation of Libyan oil; besides, Libya has continually been one of the four largest suppliers of oil to Germany over the last decades (togehter with Russa/URSS, Britain and Norway). Besides, the imperialist aggression has long gone beyond what the UNSC resolution 1793 said, i.e. protection of "unarmed civilans" against attacks from their own government. The first French airstrike went against the military convoy supposedly moving against Benghasi -- where it would encounter _armed_ civilians and dissident military generals and soldiers using even heavy weaponry of the Libyan army in an attempt to military conquer the country's capital Tripoli and cities on the way. Big confusion reigns about the ultimate goal of the war: is it to destroy the current Libyan state power and set up a new government based on the power of the imperialist military? If not, how are the imperialist aggressors able to end the war? Within a short time, they have created a big mess for themselves, but killing, maiming and destroying as much as they can. That is what capitalism has in store for humanity -- and the nuclear disaster unrolling currently in Japan. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / lueko.wil...@t-online.de Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Libyan Democratic Revolution
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Suresh (borhyae...@yahoo.com) wrote on 2011-03-20 at 15:03:46 in about [Marxism] Libyan Democratic Revolution: > > It's pretty obvious that imperialism would not be intervening in such a way that > unambigiously favors the opposition if it saw said opposition as a potential > revolutionary force. The former US-general Wesley Clarke was interviewed by CNN yesterday, and was asked why they do not also move against the bloody repression in Bahrein and Yemen. Clarke responded that unlike the regime by Mu'ammar Qadhdhafi, those regimes have never been "terrorists". Which means in plain english, that Qadhdhafi has, other than the bloody regimes in Manama and Sanaa, not always bowed to imperialism's demands and had dared in his history to act against the interests of the empire. Therefore the empire willingly takes the invitation of the Benghazi based civil war party to bomb and conquer Libya. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fidel: Good conduct certificate
'the hands' of national stability." "Islamabad, March 18, (AFP) - thousands demonstrated on Friday in the streets of several Pakistani cities to protest against the American unmanned plane attack that killed 35 people this week and the liberation of a CIA employee who was being held for murder." He had been set free after two million dollars had been paid to the relatives of the two men he killed in a Lahore street. Why do we have the Security Council, the veto, the anti-veto, the majority, the minority, abstention, speeches, demagoguery and the solemn declarations of Ban Ki-moon? Above all, why do we have NATO, its 5.5 million soldiers (according to highly qualified specialists) and its 19,845 tanks, 57,938 armoured vehicles, 6,492 fighter jets, 2,482 helicopters, 19 aircraft carriers, 156 submarines, 303 surface vessels, 5,728 nuclear missiles, tens of thousands of atomic bombs with the destructive power equivalent to hundreds of thousand times the capacity of those dropped over Hiroshima and Nagasaki? There is more than enough of such stupid power, it wouldn't be used, nor can it be used; we would need dozens of planet such as Earth. Its only purpose is to demonstrate the waste and the chaos generated by capitalism. We can dedicate our time to other things, less sinister and more ludicrous. For example, the DPA agency informs us: "Port-au-Prince, March 18, 2011. The arrival of Jean-Bertrand Aristide in Port-au-Prince this Friday cannot have taken anyone by surprise." "January 19: From South Africa, Aristide published an 'open letter' where he says he is 'ready' to return to Haiti' at any time to 'contribute as a simple citizen in the field of education'..." "January 20: The American State Department is opposed to the return of Aristide before at least the end of the electoral process...". The State Department has gotten mixed up even in this: it was the US that gave birth to Papa Doc, and it had overthrown and expelled President Aristide to Africa 7 years ago. A Notimex dispatch, dated in Panama today, March 18th, informed that WikiLeaks revealed the entry of US warships to Panama: "The covenant was signed on April 15, 2009 so that military vessels could enter Panamanian waters between May 3rd and the end of Torrijos' term on June 30th this year, when the president was succeeded by the right-wing Ricardo Martinelli. "'Until now, the Panamanian government has always refused to do this requirement arguing that operations with the United States Army were a sensitive matter for Panamanians'." Another interesting tale about the trickery of US foreign policy is told today by AP: "Chile and the United States signed a nuclear energy treaty on Friday, despite the fears of the spread of radiation in Japan". "The fear arises after a devastating earthquake and subsequent tidal wave severely affected the nuclear reactors in a plant on the north-eastern coast of Japan". "The treaty was signed on Friday morning by US Ambassador Alejandro Wolff and Chilean Minister of Foreign Affairs Alfredo Moreno." ".White House officials were not able to confirm the highly awaited signing which one supposes would be a notable event during the visit to Chile on Monday of President Barack Obama." But no matter, appearances can always be life-saving and public opinion can be manipulated by appearances; White House officials emphasized "that the treaty focuses on training nuclear engineers and not on the construction of reactors." Since Japanese nuclear technology is basically Yankee, their technicians surely would acquire more experience studying what happened in that beleaguered country whose population was victim of a cruel and unscrupulous predecessor of the current president of the United States. Who are Obama, NATO and Ban Ki-moon going to fool with good conduct certificates? Fidel Castro Ruz March 18, 2011 8:54 p.m. --- off --- Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / lueko.wil...@t-online.de Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Is this as good as it gets?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Marv Gandall (marvg...@gmail.com) wrote on 2011-03-20 at 09:50:01 in about Re: [Marxism] Is this as good as it gets?: This is worth to be singled out: > the call for withdrawal [of the imperialist military from Libya], > whether one chooses to turn a blind eye to it or not, > is tantamount to endorsing a massacre > of the armed democratic fighters in Benghazi and elsewhere > whom Gadhafi has vowed to crush as, he puts it, > like rats and cockroaches without pity or mercy. Karl Liebknecht, one of only two deputies in the German Reichstag to vote against giving money to the Kaiser Wilhelm for his war "for civilasation against Russian barbarism" etc, proclaimed that the enemy is always within our "own" country. Karl Liebknecht became later, together with Rosa Luxemburg, one of the founders of the German communist party, and was murdered with Luxemburg in January 1919 by a gang of those "civilizers". Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany visit http://www.mlwerke.de Marx, Engels, Luxemburg, Lenin, Trotzki in German Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Military, media ready public for "innocent" casualties
e suggestion, by our political leaders, that missile sites might be engaged only after they have fired on allied aircraft. This would have found little favour among the men and women flying our aircraft. We would have had problems if Gaddafi's forces had adhered to their ceasefire. Nato aircraft would then have struggled to find the authority to attack military targets. And even now, are we prepared to stay for the long haul? How long is Nato prepared to protect Benghazi, when it could become the only free Libyan city? That could go on for months or, conceivably, even years. The costs could be enormous and, to put it bluntly, the military won't have the resources. The military is this country's insurance policy, yet only a few months ago, many politicians said the armed forces needed to make drastic cuts. The events in the Middle East and North Africa would seem to suggest the opposite is true. Many eyebrows were raised in the Ministry of Defence at recent decisions to cut military resources, especially Royal Navy carriers and RAF Harrier forces, both of which could be crucial in any long-term operations in the Gulf or the Mediterranean. Perhaps most importantly, has anybody defined what the final military objective must be? Even if Gaddafi's regime collapses or fails under Nato pressure, we will be left with the question: "what comes next?" This question was never asked in Iraq or Afghanistan, and one can only hope that the politicians have learned from those disastrous mistakes. John Nichol served in the Gulf, Bosnia and the Falklands. His latest book, Medic Saving Lives From Dunkirk To Afghanistan, is published by Penguin, price £9.99. ...End Forwarded Message.. Yours, Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / lueko.wil...@t-online.de Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] two unsubscribe requests
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Dennis Brasky (dmozart1...@gmail.com) wrote on 2011-03-19 at 09:12:30 in about Re: [Marxism] two unsubscribe requests: > > Luko places those who supported revolution against Qadaffi as " a minority > current in the imperialist war drive against Libya." - i.e. - dupes and > tools of imperialism. When the political outlook is a "revolution against Qadaffi", then such a person is actually a dupe of whatever. There are larger forces involved than a single person which is being elevated into the devil. No revolution in Libya or any other country of the "Third World" is worth a shit if it doesn't raise the banner of national sovereignty and independence, of unity of the nation against the enemy of humanity, as the Sandinista hymn so aptly coined the empire. Progress can be achieved in Libya only under the banner of defense of the independence and integrity of the country and the unity of all living forces of the nation in a common struggle against the brutal onslaught which the old colonialist mass murderers are preparing. Currently I can't see any force in Libya leading such a struggle. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany visit http://www.mlwerke.de Marx, Engels, Luxemburg, Lenin, Trotzki in German Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Language
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 3/19/11 8:00 AM, Lüko Willms wrote: >But you accept that participants of this forum are called > "counterrevolutionaries" by others. Yes, and I have been dealing with issues such as this privately. Aha, a minor offence by which the overall readership does not need to be concerned with. Which is, of course, completely different from making the views of the revolutionary leadership of Cuba known, a crime which has to be punished right away. Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/marxmail%4 0lws-media.de Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany visit http://www.mlwerke.de Marx, Engels, Luxemburg, Lenin, Trotzki in German Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] two unsubscribe requests
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Dan (d.koech...@wanadoo.fr) wrote on 2011-03-19 at 02:00:44 in about [Marxism] two unsubscribe requests: > > So far, on this list, disagreements on the most crucial issues of the > day (say Libya and the West), have been quite equitably divided between > those who support Gadaffi and those who support the Benghazi "National > Transition Conference". No, Dan, what you describe, is complete fantasy. There have been many participants, supported by the owner of this list, who painted a horror image of Qadhdhafi, proclaiming his removal as the overall goal for world history at this moment in time, and who became thus a minority current in the imperalist war drive against Libya. And there were some others for whom the defense of Libya's sovereignty and independence against the coming imperialist onslought against the Libyan people and the Arab revolution overall from the side of the former colonial powers. The defense of Libya's independence against colonialism was brandmarked by some of the former side as "counterrevolutionary" (the moderator did not intervene). Now the former current has won: the colonial powers are moving against the Arab nation. That is what is happening. Salut, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Language
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Louis Proyect (l...@panix.com) wrote on 2011-03-18 at 17:47:50 in about Re: [Marxism] Language: > > We have to have a much tighter policy on calling people agents. But you accept that participants of this forum are called "counterrevolutionaries" by others. Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] French and British troops move to take back the Suez Canal
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == oops, that is either outdated from 1956, or a little bit to early as a headline. But according to the BBC reporter in New York, British and French military will start the imperialist aggression against Libya to cut short the Arab revolution once and for all. They have never thought about a no-fly zone to stop the Israeli massaker in the Gaza strip, nor the daily terror of the racist colonial settler regime in all of Palestine, nor do they spend a minute to protect the people of Bahrain against the brutal attack by foreign troops. UNSC did open the gates to hell by his vote of 10:0:5 for imperialist aggression. Russia and China have again shown themselves the cowards they always have been. The forces moving the Arab revolution as it showed itself in the mass mobilisations all over the Arab nation will have to rethink their political stance, and decide if they stand for the unity and independence of the Arab nation, or if they side with the imperialist aggression against all Arabs to retake control of all Arab countries and safeguard control over the world oil market. Will we see an utter defeat and sinking back into years, maybe decades of depression, or will we see a radicalisation and the forming of _proletarian_ revolutionary parties leading a more radical and successful struggle against the imperialist onslought? Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / lueko.wil...@t-online.de Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Einsteins experiment, again [Re: The character of the rebellion in Libya]
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == dave x (dave...@gmail.com) wrote on 2011-03-15 at 15:44:33 in about Re: [Marxism]Einsteins experiment, again [Re: The character of the rebellion in Libya]: > > >> I note it also doesn't say 'bourgeois nationalists of the world unite!" > >> -dave > > > > > > I guess Dave considers everyone who disagrees with him on Libya a > > bourgeois nationalist. > > That is not what I said. It is however what the so-called > 'anti-imperialist' line often amounts to. That's why you should not give too much weight to words. "Thou shalt recognize them by their deeds, not their words!" Especially, when it is prefixed with "anti-". It does not count, what you are against, but what you are for (Libyan sovereignty and self-determination in this case). BTW, while Marx and Engels terminated the programme for the "League of the Righteous" (Bund der Gerechten) or revolutionary workers with "Proletarians of the world, unite!", the Communist International expanded this later in the age of imperialism (which Marx and Engels did not yet know) to "Proletarians and oppressed nations of the world, unite!". Note the distinctive adjective "oppressed" -- not every nation is an oppressed one. The USA certainly aren't, German isn't, France isn't, Japan isn't, but Libya counts in that category, together with all other parts of the Arab nation. Also note that in all of the rebellions forming part of the current Arab revolution, the political programme is limited to (bourgeois-)democratic demands and that the leadership -- especially in Libya -- is composed of typical political representatives of the bourgeoisie (or petty bourgeoisie): lawyers, doctors, and former government ministers... BTW, recent reports by western journalists tell that the mass mobilisations which shaped Benghazi's life in the past weeks are now gone -- certainly quite a number of the fighters left the city for the armed struggle elsewhere, but even then there were, the journalists report, daily big rallies with enthusiastic chants etc. The western journalists ascribe this to a depressed mood because of the military advances of the Qadhafi leadership, but I think that it is also due to the more and more outspoken pro-imperialist stance of the self-declared leadership of the rebellion (which is headed by a former minister of Qadhafi's government). Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The character of the rebellion in Libya
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Matthew Russo (russo.matth...@gmail.com) wrote on 2011-03-15 at 10:59:08 in about Re: [Marxism] The character of the rebellion in Libya: > > Roy and the rest of the counterrevolutionary left crowd, whow! I guess that this counterrevolutionary left crowd has also misread the final sentence in Marx' "Communist Manifesto" as to read "proletarians of the world, unite!" instead of the much more modern "oppositionists of the world, unite!". Impressed Yours Lüko Willms Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fidel: "The disasters threatening the world" (en x-lation of "Los desastres que amenazan al mundo")
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Lüko Willms (lueko.wil...@t-online.de) wrote on 2011-03-15 at 10:11:49 in about [Marxism] Fidel: "Los desastres que amenazan al mundo": > > this is in the original Spanish (castellano); english translation > forthcoming during the day. Watch this space! -- cut --- Reflections by Comrade Fidel THE DISASTERS THREATENING THE WORLD If the speed of light would not exist; if the star closest to our sun would not be four light years from the Earth, the only inhabited planet in our system; if ETs really existed; the imaginary visitors to the planet would continue their voyage without understanding all that our humankind is suffering. Just a few centuries ago in the millennial history of Man, nobody knew what was happening on the other side of the globe. Today, we can find out what's happening right away and sometimes they are hugely transcendental events that affect all the peoples of the world. Without more preamble, I shall limit myself to the most important news during the last two days. "TeleSUR, March13, 2011 "Volcano eruption in Japan triggers new alarm "The Japanese Meteorological Agency informs that the volcano Shimoedake, located on the island of Kyushu to the south-east of Japan, spewed ash and stones this Sunday to a height of four thousand metres, after two week of relative calm and two days after the devastating earthquake and tsunami that lashed the country." ".it became active last January for the first time in 52 years." "According to a BBC report, buildings in a radius of 4 kilometres were damaged and hundreds of persons fled from the vicinity, panic-stricken." "The [.] seismic movement with a magnitude of 9.0 on the Richter Scale, according to the Meteorological Agency of Japan, has already had repercussions on other volcanoes." "Japan crushed by the quake, tsunami and explosions at nuclear plants "SENDAI, Japan, Mar.14, 2011 (AFP) - A double explosion on Monday in Reactor No. 3 at the Fukushima 1 nuclear plant fed the rumour of an atomic disaster in Japan, a country already overwhelmed by a quake and a tsunami that may have left more than 10,000 dead. "Tokyo Electric Power (TEPCO), operator of Fukushima 1 (250 km to the north-east of Tokyo), also admitted the possibility that the fuel of Reactor 2 had entered into fusion because of damage to the cooling circuit. The government, for its part, minimized the possibility that an important explosion should be produced in that reactor. "Rescue teams found approximately 2,000 corpses on the coast of Miyagi Prefecture (north-east), while millions of Japanese were attempting to survive without water, electricity, fuel or sufficient food and hundreds of thousands were forced to take shelter at emergency centres because of the tsunami that destroyed their homes." Aid workers from around the world arrived in the archipelago to collaborate with more than 100,000 soldiers that are trying to give aid in a country that continues to be shaken by earthquake after-shocks and lives in permanent fear of false alarms about new tsunamis." "Fear of a nuclear disaster was being added to the agony caused by the devastation. The quake, the tsunami and the explosions at the plants place the country into its "most serious crisis (...) since the end of WW II", stated Prime Minister Naoto Kan." "An explosion had occurred on Saturday in Reactor No. 1, taking the life of one technician and injuring eleven. "Fusion is produced on account of the reheating of the bars of fuel that start to melt just like candles." "Authorities declared a state of emergency at a second nuclear plant, the Onagawa Plant in the north-east..." "Another nuclear plant, Tokai, suffered damages to its cooling system..." "An 8.9-magnitude earthquake, and the following tsunami with a height of 10 metres, ripped through the north-eastern coast of the Japanese archipelago on Friday." "More than 10,000 persons may have lost their lives in the coastal prefecture of Miyagi (north-eastern Japan)." "At least 5.6 million homes are still without electrical power." "DATA- What's happening in the Japanese nuclear reactors? "March 14 (Reuters) - A second explosion shook the Japanese nuclear plant damaged by an earthquake, where authorities are working desperately to prevent nuclear fusion in the reactors." "The nucleus of a reactor consists of a series of tubes or metal zircon bars that contain pellets of uranium fuel stored in what the engineers call the fuel equipment." "Back-up
Re: [Marxism] Fidel: "The two earthquakes"
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Louis Proyect (l...@panix.com) wrote on 2011-03-13 at 16:18:50 in about Re: [Marxism] Fidel: "The two earthquakes": > > On 3/13/11 4:10 PM, Lüko Willms wrote: > > Nor do I doubt the intentions of the United States and NATO to > > intervene militarily in Libya and abort the revolutionary wave > > shaking the Arab world. > Implicitly excepting the one taking place in Libya. You do not think that King Abdallah of Saudi Arabia and all the other absolute monarchs are the greatest friends of the ongoing Arab revolution because they have called on the USA to militarily attack the sister nation Libya, removing Qadhafi (who has so often trampled them on the nose), and have invaded Bahrein in order to support the revolution there? I still think that cheerleading the revolt in Libya from the sidelines is "vanity under the sun" (Ecclesiastes 4:4) while the important task is to fight against the imperialist and other foreign interventions into the struggle, in order to secure the breathing space for the Libyan people to sort out their affairs themselves. Fidel Castro's "reflections" help a lot to lead this effort. He is still the most important revolutionary leader of our lifetime. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fidel: "Los desastres que amenazan al mundo"
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == this is in the original Spanish (castellano); english translation forthcoming during the day. Watch this space! --- cut - Los desastres que amenazan al mundo 14 Marzo 2011 Si la velocidad de la luz no existiera; si la estrella más próxima a nuestro sol no estuviera a cuatro años luz de la Tierra, único planeta habitado de nuestro sistema; si los OVNIs existieran de verdad; los imaginarios visitantes al planeta seguirían viaje sin comprender las cosas de nuestra sufrida humanidad. Hace apenas unos siglos en la milenaria historia del hombre, nadie sabía lo que sucedía al otro lado del globo terráqueo. Hoy podemos conocerlo instantáneamente, y a veces son acontecimientos de gran trascendencia que afectan a todos los pueblos del mundo. Sin más introducción, me limitaré a las noticias más importantes de los últimos dos días. [skip] Se puede observar la compleja situación reinante en el mundo árabe, en cuyos pueblos, se ha desatado una ola revolucionaria. El Rey saudita apoya la guerra de la OTAN en Libia; mientras en Bahrein la OTAN apoya la invasión saudita. La sangre de los pueblos árabes será derramada en beneficio de las grandes transnacionales de Estados Unidos, mientras, los precios del petróleo alcanzarán límites no predecibles en la medida que las guerras se desaten en las áreas de mayor producción y los desastres nucleares de Japón multiplican la resistencia de los pueblos a la proliferación de las plantas nucleares. El derroche y las sociedades de consumo capitalistas en su fase neoliberal e imperialista, están llevando el mundo a un callejón sin salida, donde el cambio climático y el costo creciente de los alimentos, conducen a miles de millones de personas hacia los peores índices de pobreza. -- off - > source > <http://www.cubadebate.cu/reflexiones-fidel/2011/03/15/los-desastres-que-amenazan-al-mundo/> Lüko Willms Frankfurt/Main / lueko.wil...@t-online.de Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Japan's Quake Could Have Irradiated the Entire US
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Dennis Brasky (dmozart1...@gmail.com) wrote on 2011-03-14 at 00:03:54 in about Re: [Marxism] Japan's Quake Could Have Irradiated the Entire US: > > Maybe because most people on a MARXIST list are opposed > to power sources that can kill lots of innocent people what about those who are not innocent because they have sinned? For them it is the purgatory obligatory? Inquisitively yours, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Read the change in the tide
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Paul Flewers (trusscott.foundat...@blueyonder.co.uk) wrote on 2011-03-14 at 12:33:20 in about Re: [Marxism] Read the change in the tide: > > But what if [Qadhafi] defeats the opposition and refuses to go? > He could linger on in the Mugabe fashion, despised and > condemned in Western official opinion but nonetheless able to hold > despite outside pressure, but I have the feeling that Libya, with its > vast oil resources, is rather more important to the world economy than > Zimbabwe. That's why the comparison with Saddam Hussein of the oil-rich Iraq is a much better comparison. > When I raised this question with left-wing pals the other evening, > several felt that Libya could be partitioned, with Gadaffi keeping the > areas under his control, and the insurgents keeping theirs. This, I > feel, could be problematic, not so much in respect of Libya, but in > respect of other areas, as this could encourage separatist struggles > that the imperialists might not desire, and is thus unlikely to be > seriously considered, unless a real stalemate is reached in Libya > between Gadaffi and his opponents. I think you are on the wrong track on the partition issue. Think about Jugoslavia and Sudan -- the imperialists like very much "divide and impera" or "divide and rule". "Balkanization" is another catchword for that. It is always easier to dominate small countries than large ones. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fidel: "The two earthquakes"
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Reflections by Comrade Fidel
TWO EARTHQUAKES
A strong 8.9 on the scale earthquake shook Japan today. The most
worrying is that early news reports were talking about thousands dead
and missing, figures really unheard of in a developed country where
all constructions are quake-proof. They were even talking about a
nuclear reactor that was out of control. Hours later, it was
informed that four nuclear plants close to the most affected area
were under control. There was also information about a tsunami 10
metres high that had the entire Pacific area on tidal wave alert.
The earthquake originated at a depth of 24.4 kilometres and 100
kilometres from the coast. Had it happened at a lesser depth and
distance, the consequences would have been more serious.
There was a shift in the earth's axis. It was the third phenomenon
of great intensity occurring in less than two years: Haiti, Chile and
Japan. Man cannot be blamed for such tragedies. Every country,
surely, will do everything it can to help the hard-working people who
were the first to suffer an unnecessary and inhuman nuclear attack.
According to Spain's Official College of Geologists, the energy
released by the earthquake is equivalent to 200 million tons of
dynamite.
The most recent information, from AFP, states that the Japanese
electric Company, Tokyo Electric Power, informed that according to
government instructions, they had released some of the vapour
containing radioactive substances...
"We are following the situation. Until the present there is no
problem..."
"They also indicated that there were breakdowns related to the
cooling of three reactors in a second nearby plant, Fukushima 2."
"The government ordered the evacuation of surrounding areas for a
radius of 10 km in the case of the first plant and 3 km in the case
of the second one."
Another earthquake, a political one and potentially more serious, is
the one taking place around Libya, and it affects every country, one
way or the other.
The drama that country is living through is in full swing and its
outcome is still uncertain.
A great hubbub broke out yesterday in the US Senate when James
Clapper, Director of National Intelligence, stated before the Armed
Services Committee that he didn't believe Gaddafi had any intention
of leaving; because of evidence at their disposal, it seems that he
is "in this for the long haul".
He added that Gaddafi has two brigades that "are very loyal".
He pointed out that the air attacks carried out by the army loyal to
Gaddafi "mainly" caused damages on buildings and infrastructure
rather than civilian casualties.
Lt. Gen. Ronald Burgess, Director of the Defence Intelligence Agency,
at the same hearing before the Senate, said that it seemed Gaddafi
had staying power unless some other dynamic changes at this time.
"The opportunity the rebels had at the start of the popular uprising
has 'begun to change', he assured.
I have no doubt whatsoever that Gaddafi and the Libyan leaders
committed an error in trusting Bush and NATO, as it can be inferred
from what I wrote in my Reflection on the 9th.
Nor do I doubt the intentions of the United States and NATO to
intervene militarily in Libya and abort the revolutionary wave
shaking the Arab world.
Countries that are opposing NATO intervention and defending the idea
of a political solution without foreign intervention harbour the
conviction that the Libyan patriots shall defend their Homeland until
their dying breath.
Fidel Castro Ruz
March 11, 2011
10:12 p.m.
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> source <http://www.cuba.cu/gobierno/reflexiones/2011/ing/f110311i.html>
original and more translations:
> <http://www.cuba.cu/gobierno/reflexiones/reflexiones.html>
also at "Cubadebate":
> <http://www.cubadebate.cu/reflexiones-fidel/2011/03/12/los-dos-terremotos/>
See also the Article by Adolfo Gilly "Leer a Fidel Castro" ("To
read Fidel Castro") at Cubadebate (originally in La Jornada de
Mexico):
> <http://www.cubadebate.cu/opinion/2011/03/13/leer-a-fidel-castro/>
Cheers,
Lüko Willms
Frankfurt/Main
/ lueko.wil...@t-online.de
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Re: [Marxism] Libyan shame
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == sobuadha...@hushmail.com (sobuadha...@hushmail.com) wrote on 2011-03-10 at 23:10:47 in about [Marxism] Libyan shame: > > I think I get this argument but I ask comrades here to help me to > make it sure I've got it right. Let's see. > The proper position, the only principled position, > on the situation in Libya is to focus exclusively > on the threat of US intervention. Well, all imperialist powers, but of which, sure, the USofA is the first and most powerful > Attacking the oppressive, corrupt, and imperialist enabling nature > of the Libyan regime you don't know to which extent the former government ministers and military generals in the Benghasi council are ready to "enable imperialist interference" in Libya > has the practical effect of actually supporting imperialism by not > properly exposing the global class nature of the conflict. Well, it is cheapo cheerleading from the sidelines. It does no effect at all on the struggle on the ground in Libya. Where it does have effect, is in the imperialist country in which you happen to live (or country under imperialist prerogatives). There, the effect is to embolden the imperialist propaganda for a military onslaught against the Libyan people and with that the whole Arab nation. Think about it. Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt, Germany Send list submissions to: Marxism@greenhouse.economics.utah.edu Set your options at: http://greenhouse.economics.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
