Re: [Marxism] VIRUS REMOVED
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * My bad, I forgot to get on this one... On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: Thanks for the reminder. Les and I had plans to fix this but let it slide. Will definitely be repaired before the weekend. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] VIRUS REMOVED -- test please ignore again
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Re: [Marxism] Arab Countries Are Forcing Palestinian Exiles Back Into Syria
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Re: [Marxism] WHY RUSSIAN AND CHINESE WORKERS' STATES THREATEN WORLD CAPITALISM DESPITE STALINISM!
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * on Mittwoch, 26. August 2015 at 02:20, Anthony Brain via Marxism gave a link to his latest Wordpress-blog article, which contained e.g. this: 75 Billion Pounds were wasted in the stock market crash in the City of London during August 24th 2015. Additionally I have heard two days ago that the American Stock Market has lost 5 Trillion Dollars. All that money being wasted which could be used for productive investments for human need. actually no, the drop in stock exchange values only showed that this was fictitious capital, which could not be realized when their owners tried to transform it in real values. These stock market values are product of speculation, not real production of value, even if this fictitious capital is being used to appropriate real values produced the world around in the process of a redivision of the surplus value. Only human labor produces new value. And human labor is the prime force which is needed for productive investmensts, not money. That is why I have always said in regard to the crisis in Greece, that the first task is not to get the creditors to renounce of parts of their debt claims, but to mobilise the huge number of unemployed people in the country (with an unemployed rate of 25%) for a public works programm. Only the real mobilisation of human beings taking their fate in their working hands can be the basis for a renegotiation of the foreign debt of Greece. Further down he wrote: Revolutionary upheavals could become more frequent in the next period. Key to Trotskyist strategy is utilise the examples of workers’ states of what is possible. I don't think that this would help. More important is the practial experience of the working class people in the capitalist countries with their own force of the big numbers and own productive role, gaining confidence in their own strength instead of this destitute thinking that it is always outside forces we have to expect help from. Cheers, Lüko Willms _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: Senator emailed Illinois Chancellor Phyllis Wise over Salaita firing | The Electronic Intifada
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Re: [Marxism] VIRUS REMOVED -- test please ignore
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 8/26/15 1:12 PM, Les Schaffer wrote: My bad, I forgot to get on this one... On Aug 26, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: Thanks for the reminder. Les and I had plans to fix this but let it slide. Will definitely be repaired before the weekend. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Arab Countries Are Forcing Palestinian Exiles Back Into Syria
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I wonder if Iran has accepted any refugees. Would they be willing to take those who are being pushed back into Syria? ken h _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Arab Countries Are Forcing Palestinian Exiles Back Into Syria
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * on Mittwoch, 26. August 2015 at 18:39, Ken Hiebert via Marxism wrote: I wonder if Iran has accepted any refugees. There are just three other Arab states bordering on Syria: Lebanon, Jordan, and Iraq. Lebanon has millions of refugees from the Syrian civil war, and Jordan also lots of them, but in a very controlled and limited way. Iraq is certainly not a safe place to find a refuge in. And there is no way to get to Iran other than passing thru Iraq. No, Syrian refugees are going to Europe, to the very countries who fuel the Syrian civil war by demanding the violent overturn of the Syrian govenment, and which erect barbed wire fences to stop the hundreds of thousends of refugees trying to find a safe place in the center of the storm. Lots of red herrings about Arab countries in numbers --- three. Cheers, Lüko Willms _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lars Lih and Lenin’s April Theses | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentent Marxist
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I'm sorry, Luko, to have taken so long to reply, but other business intervened. Recall that we are discussing Trotsky's letter which says that the working class must choose between two dictators with regard to how to the Italian invasion of Ethiopia. Lüko Willms wrote: You correctly call this text a _letter,_ and it begins with Dear comrade, so obviously a letter to someone of his cothinkers on Great Britain. The new principle of choosing between two dictators was not his, Trotsky's, but of the ILP conference or rather of John Alston Maxton, Baron Maxton, of Blackwaterfoot in Ayrshire and Arran who imposed this distorted view on the ILP party conference, .. by an ultimatum. In my comments on Trotsky's views, I quoted Trotsky's words,not Maxton's. Trotsky could have supported Ethiopoia against Maxton without endorsing the idea of choosing between two dictators. Instead he made a point of endorsing this principle. It is dishonest from your part then to project this view on Trotsky, whereas Trotsky is sharply arguing against this view. Not only were these Trotsky's words, but they have been cited repeatedly in the Trotskyist movement. It's one of the keystones behind the support of various Trotskyist groups for certain reactionary regimes during wars, such as Saddam Hussein's regime, or the Taliban. But you ignore all that, as if you lived on another planet. What an utter evasion. The fact is that you don't want to look at the serious issues raised by the criticism of Trotsky, so you pretend that any criticism is dishonest. The Stalinists use a similar method, accusing critics of being thugs, or CIA agents. The issue in this letter is not so much Italy's war to conquer Ethiopia, t the politics of the ILP and of revolutionary communists. You're just evading, evading, evading the issue. About the Italian war Trotsky wrote a letter to the International Secretariat, which is published in the Writings 1935-36 on page 41 July 17, 1935 To the International Secretariat Of course, we are for the defeat of Italy and the victory of Ethiopia, However, we want to stress the point that this fight is directed not against fascism, but against imperialism. When war is involved, for us it is not a question of who is better, the Negus or Mussolini; rather, it is a question of the relationship of classes and the fight of an underdeveloped nation for independence against imperialism.... At first sight, the 1935 letter might appear to contradict Trotsky's 1936 letter. In 1935, Trotsky says it is not a question of who is better, Mussolini or the Negus. But in the 1936 letter, he says that the proletariat must choose between dictators, and dreams of the victory of the Negus. So it looks like Trotsky is talking out of both sides of his mouth. However, even though I am a critic of Trotskyism, I think that these two letters are consistent. Trotsky's argument is that, with respect to war, he doesn't care about the internal nature of the conflicting regimes. That's why it isn't a matter of who is better. That's why he stresses that this fight is directed not against *fascism*, but against *imperialism*. (Trotsky's emphasis) For him, it doesn't matter whether the regimes are democratic or fascist or dictatorial. In the 1936 letter, he develops this idea more dramatically than in the 1935 letter: yes, he says, the working class must choose between dictators. But it's the same idea: it doesn't matter who's better, it doesn't matter whether they are both dictators, it doesn't matter what their relationship is to the class struggle, just choose one of the two dictators for other reasons. Trotisky claims in 1935 to be considering the relationship of classes involved, but this is empty verbiage. He says nothing about the class and national situation in Ethiopia and, in fact, is giving a rationale for not considering the relationship of classes.That's why he doesn't care about the oppression of the subject peoples in Ethiopia; he doesn't consider whether this hinders the resistance to Italian occupation; and he doesn't care about Selassie's absolutism at all. There is no criticism, no critical support, no support for the masses who want reform, no consideration of what is needed for the African peoples to unite in struggle -- just dreams about how great Selassie might be. So a careful reading of these letters shows that they are consistent. For the period of war, anti-absolutism and the opression of subject peoples was irrelevant to Trotsky. And outside the war, he didn't care
Re: [Marxism] Lars Lih and Lenin’s April Theses | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentent Marxist
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * DW, I'm sorry to have taken so long to reply. Other business intervened. But the subject is important, so I have come back to it.ti. DW wrote: If there were a workers movement or a peasant movement of some kind in Ethiopia I have no doubt he would of commented on it. That could well be why he was silent. I have thought something similar. But just because we may know *why* Trotsky ignored the internal situation in Ethiopia, doesn't mean that Trotsky was *right* to do so. There were few workers in the Ethiopian Empire, and there wasn't a revolutionary peasant movement. But that doesn't mean that Ethiopia was a blank slate, free of classes, conflicts, and politics. There were important class and political developments in Ethiopia, as in black Africa in general. I will list some of them later on. But first, some points on method. Trotsky didn't have to praise Haile Selassie to the skies. He didn't have to imagine that a revolutionary dictator would inspire the anti-imperialist movement. He could simply have supported Ethiopia against the Italian invasion and backed whatever resistance took place. But that's not what he did. Instead, he wanted to make a point about what anti-imperialism meant and what solidarity for Ethiopia meant. To do this, he compared Selassie to Cromwell and Robespierre (which he meant as praise), and he imagined that the dictator Selassie might galvanize the anti-imperialist movement. And at that point, one can no longer excuse ignoring the internal situation in Ethiopia. Trotsky was setting forward a path for anti-imperialism. As a result, it would be important for any serious progressive person to consider whether he was right in the light of how the war developed, and about Selassie's prospective role in the anti-imperialist movement. Indeed, it should have been especially important for *Trotskyists* to consider the experience of the war. Yet the Trotskyist movement has shown little if any interest in what happened. It didn't compare Trotsky's thought experiment with the real world. That's clear even on this internet list. While ignoring what happened in Ethiopia, the Trotskyist movement took his statement as an important guide. This has led some of them to put an anti-imperialist gloss on a number of other vicious dictators. Some even have gone so far as to support the Taliban. In 2002, I wrote an article about a debate among British Trotskyists on this issue, The socialist debate on the Taliban. See part one, where I reproduced material from Bob Pitt and Ian Donovan http://www.communistvoice.org/28cTaliban.html and part two, where I went into the issue of Trotsky's stand on Selasie, Stalin's on the Emir of Afghanistan, etc. http://www.communistvoice.org/29cEmir.html Trotsky's statement, akin to his hypothetical Democratic Imperialism (UK) vs Fascist Brazil is a similar thought experiment as well akin to the the real-world situation w/the Italian invasion of Ethiopia. Yes, it's a similar thought experiment, but it's not akin to the real-world situation. In fact, he had to make a thought experiment about *Brazil*, precisely because experience had disproved his thought experiment about *Ethiopia*. It was 1938 when he wrote about Brazil. At that time, everyone knew that Selassie had fled Ethiopia (he didn't return until 1941), and Trotsky would have looked ridiculous if he had repeated his ideas about Selassie. But instead of reconsidering his theory in the light of experience, he shoved experience under the rug and changed the subject to what his imagination said about Brazil. The fact is that, on this and other questions, Trotsky asserted a number of false things with absolute confidence. And he wouldn't go back and correct himself. You are not arguing so much here with Trotsky as it then entire Comintern from it's Second Congress onward. No offense, but that's bull. I've written on Lenin's stand on anti-imperialism many times, and on the difference between Leninist anti-imperialism and non-class anti-imperialism. If you want to pursue this subject seriously, start another thread on it, and I'll discuss it with you. But for the moment, I'm going to dwell on the real-world situation with Ethiopia. It's a serious issue. We have an interesting discussion on Permanent Revolution (PR) on Louis' blog. I'd suggest Joeseph you take a looksee there. I would be interested to see this discussion, although I don't have time to take part in it. Also, I have to admit the limits of my computer knowledge. Where can I find the blog? I thought that, being on the Marxism list, I was seeing Proyect's
[Marxism] Arab Countries Are Forcing Palestinian Exiles Back Into Syria
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * “Palestinians refugees from Syria—known as PRS—are the shadow refugees of a four-year crisis with no end in sight. They are flat-out barred from entering any of Syria’s neighbors other than Turkey. As early as 2012, Jordan stopped allowing Palestinians from Syria into the country, and the policy was formalized the following year. “They should stay in Syria until the end of the crisis,” Prime Minister Abdullah Ensour announced at the time. Lebanon followed suit in 2014, and has also stopped renewing visas for Palestinians already inside. Egypt and Iraq have similar restrictions.” “According to UNRWA’s annual report (PDF), 117 Palestinian refugees were sent back to Syria in 2014. So far this year, there have already been around 50 forcible deportations. “It’s not in accordance with international law,” says Gunness, the organization’s spokesman. “We’ve made our objections perfectly clear, but the policies continue.” Last May, Human Rights Watch documented three dozen Palestinians from Syria returned from Lebanon into the war zone in one day. Egypt has been criticized for detaining hundreds for months at a time and forcing hundreds more to return to Syria.” (by way of contrast: Turkish Refugee Protection Authority allows the Palestinians of Syria in Turkey to obtain Protection Card: https://twitter.com/uygaraktas/status/629671813040074752) Arab Countries Are Forcing Palestinian Exiles Back Into Syria http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/26/arab-countries-are-forcing-palestinian-exiles-back-into-syria.html Before its civil war, Syria was home to a large community of Palestinian refugees. Now, as they flee their adopted home, many Arab countries are forcibly deporting them back into hell. Ahmad is invisible. He uses a fake name, rarely ventures outside, and moves his family between apartments in Jordan’s capital of Amman frequently, sometimes at a moment’s notice if he thinks his cover has been blown. Ahmad is a refugee twice over. His family fled land that now belongs to Israel for refuge in Syria, where he grew up. Now, he’s hiding from his foster country’s civil war in Jordan. Meanwhile, residents of his former neighborhood in Damascus who couldn’t escape survive by eating grass. Ahmad is one of the estimated 70,000 Palestinian refugees from Syria living undercover in Syria’s neighboring countries, all but one of which explicitly turn away Palestinians at the border. In Jordan, Lebanon, and Egypt, hundreds of people like Ahmad have been caught and deported back into Syria. A mutual acquaintance took me to meet Ahmad on a Friday. The narrow streets of his neighborhood in eastern Amman were empty—I later learned our visit had been timed to coincide with Friday’s prayers, when a foreign visitor attracts less notice. We parked down the block and walked to his apartment, which was completely obscured behind a tall gate. Tracking down this hidden demographic feels like making contact with a sleeper cell: phone calls come in from unknown numbers; fake names are used; middle men choose anonymous meeting spots. These people have everything to lose if they’re discovered, so they remain undercover, trusting their existence to only a few outsiders. Palestinians refugees from Syria—known as PRS—are the shadow refugees of a four-year crisis with no end in sight. They are flat-out barred from entering any of Syria’s neighbors other than Turkey. If they do find a way in, they’re rejected by humanitarian organizations, banned from refugee camps, and face deportation back into Syria’s nightmare. “Legally there’s nowhere for this besieged population to go. There’s a sense that they’ll try anything to get somewhere,” says Adam Coogle, the Human Rights Watch researcher in Jordan. “The only thing they can do is try to stay off the radar, wait for the conflict in Syria to end and go back, or try to make a very, very dangerous journey.” The trip to more welcoming countries can have deadly consequences. Turkey is the only country neighboring Syria that still allows in Palestinians fleeing the civil war, but getting there is perilous, expensive, and likely requires a trip through ISIS territory. Last week, a boat filled with Palestinians from Yarmouk Camp in Damascus capsized on its way from Lebanon to Turkey, killing nine. As early as 2012, Jordan stopped allowing Palestinians from Syria into the country, and the policy was formalized the following year. “They should stay in Syria until the end of the crisis,” Prime Minister Abdullah Ensour announced at the time. Lebanon followed suit in 2014, and has also stopped renewing visas for Palestinians
[Marxism] New on Redline blog
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Hi folks, as usual we have been very busy at the blog. Our biggest new piece is one offered to us by a fellow blogger about his experiences as a worker in the modern NZ office; in his case he was doing data processing. It's a fascinating tale of alienation and employer mechanisms of control in offices across twenty-first century NZ. Read it at: https://rdln.wordpress.com/2015/08/27/diary-of-an-office-worker-2/ Last Sunday, QA dragged has-been Don Brash out of the cobwebs to tell us that low productivity growth in NZ is the fault of too many people coming into the country. He seemed mystified that the economic reforms of the late 80s and early 90s hadn't produced the results they were supposed to. Instead of drawing the logical conclusion that there must therefore be something wrong with his theory, he trawled around for a scapegoat. The real reason for sluggish productivity growth, we suggest, is that employers are relying so much on making workers work harder, faster, longer, rather than investing on the level required in new plant, technology, machinery and RD. See: https://rdln.wordpress.com/2015/08/26/the-ridiculousness-of-don-brash-on-immigration-and-low-productivity-growth/ Mike Roberts look at the new wave of turmoil in global markets: https://rdln.wordpress.com/2015/08/25/yet-more-market-turmoil/ Philip Ferguson looks at the anti-Chinese racism of the early NZ Labour Party and the infatuation of people like Michael Joseph Savage with 'racial purity: 'https://rdln.wordpress.com/2015/08/24/labours-racist-roots-2/ We also look at the problem of blaming 'bad banks' for our woes, when the problem is actually in the productive economy itself: https://rdln.wordpress.com/2015/08/23/from-the-vaults-bad-banks-or-bad-capitalism/ Another article suggests that it is long since time that we had a campaign to get unions to disaffiliate from the anti-worker Labour Party and started to build a new movement of, for and by workers: https://rdln.wordpress.com/2015/08/22/12932/ There has been quite an interesting discussion in the comments section for the article on disaffiliation; you might be interested in joining in the discussion. We've also had over 500 views on the piece on how the 'left' in the Australian Labor Party essentially simply services the right. If you haven't already looked at this article you might take a look: https://rdln.wordpress.com/2015/08/21/how-the-left-in-the-australian-labor-party-services-the-right/ And for a take on the role of lefts in Labour parties in general, see: https://rdln.wordpress.com/2015/08/21/labour-parties-and-their-left-oppositions/ Lastly, in the month that has marked the70th anniversary of the atomic bomb being dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, folks might be interested in reading about wartime opposition to the dicatorship in Japan: https://rdln.wordpress.com/2015/08/21/wartime-resistance-in-imperial-japan/ All the best, Philip Ferguson for the Redline blog collective PS: Please do think about leaving comments in the comments section under any articles that particularly interest you. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Arab Countries Are Forcing Palestinian Exiles Back Into Syria
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Cheers, Lüko Willms said: There are just three other Arab states bordering on Syria: Lebanon, Jordan, and Iraq. Lebanon has millions of refugees from the Syrian civil war, and Jordan also lots of them, but in a very controlled and limited way. Iraq is certainly not a safe place to find a refuge in. And there is no way to get to Iran other than passing thru Iraq. No, Syrian refugees are going to Europe, to the very countries who fuel the Syrian civil war by demanding the violent overturn of the Syrian govenment, and which erect barbed wire fences to stop the hundreds of thousends of refugees trying to find a safe place in the center of the storm. Lots of red herrings about Arab countries in numbers --- three. Ken Hiebert replies: Luko Willms is correct in saying that it would not be easy for refugees to get from Syria to Iran by way of Iraq. But would Turkey, which has taken in some Syrian refugees, prevent them from travelling to Iran? Even while it may be difficult for refugees to get from Syria to Iran, Iran could at least make a public appeal to Arab countries not to send refugees back to Syria and could offer to take some of them in. Syrian refugees have found their way to countries at some distance from Syria. Some have been willing to risk great danger to find refuge. A small number of Syrian refugees have even gone to Gaza. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/apr/30/syrian-refugees-relative-safety-gaza _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Diary of an office worker
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I’m treading slowly down a white, shiny corridor. As I head towards the lifts, I get a bit anxious about having to get through yet another shift as a data processor, and how to deal with the boredom. I get that oh shit feeling, here goes another day wasted in this slow, ritualistic daily torture, like I’m snared in an absurd Kafka-esque nightmare full of meaningless but never-ending nasty games that we call work. Oh well, I think “it has to be done”, “another day, another pay”, “I need to pay the bills”, so I can force myself to enter the workplace and avoid that fleeting feeling that you just want to flee, to escape, and say “bugger it” with it all. That daily lived contradiction between being legally free, but having to sell yourself in the work marketplace in order to live. Even though I’d love to steal some time and arrive late – or better still take the day off – I’ve managed to get there just in time. *2* As I walk, I reluctantly hang my lanyard around my neck, which contains my swipe card and ID card. Some workers are seemingly happy to wear their lanyards on the street, like some sort of perverse pride in these days of high unemployment that you have a job, to get some of that. . . full at: https://rdln.wordpress.com/2015/08/27/diary-of-an-office-worker-2/ Phil _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Paul Buhle picks his top 5 comics!
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Re: [Marxism] Arab Countries Are Forcing Palestinian ExilesBack Into Syria
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * -Original Message- From: Ken Hiebert via Marxism Lüko Willms said: Lebanon has millions of refugees from the Syrian civil war, and Jordan also lots of them, but in a very controlled and limited way. Iraq is certainly not a safe place to find a refuge in. And there is no way to get to Iran other than passing thru Iraq. Ken Hiebert replies: Luko Willms is correct in saying that it would not be easy for refugees to get from Syria to Iran by way of Iraq. But would Turkey, which has taken in some Syrian refugees, prevent them from travelling to Iran? Turkey has taken in some? Let's get the numbers right. Turkey has 1.75 million Syrian refugees, by far the highest number in the region or the world, and has spent $6 billion on them. Lebanon has around a million (not millions), Jordan about 700,000, Iraq a few, Egypt a few. As the article states, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq and Egypt - either open (Egypt, Iraq) or covert (Lebanon, Jordan) accomplices of the Assad tyranny, have been forcing Palestinians back to Assadist hell. Only Turkey hasn't (although its campaign for a 'safe zone' in northern Syria - still vigorously rejected by the US - aims partly to resettle some safely in northern Syria), and on the contrary Turkish Refugee Protection Authority allows the Palestinians of Syria in Turkey to obtain Protection Card: https://twitter.com/uygaraktas/status/629671813040074752 The idea of Iran taking in Syrian refugees makes little sense - as Iran is the major creator of Syrian refugees by being the essentially dominant sub-imperial force in Syria, it may well be Iran's moral obligation to take some, but politically it would be hard to explain to its people why Palestinians and Syrians would want to flee the nice anti-imperialist paradise that Iran is backing. People might ask questions. Actually, Palestinian toleration of the mullah regime seems mainly base don a healthy geographic distance. Actually going there they might end up in a situation like the Arab population of Ahwaz. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] VIRUS REMOVED
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I keep up with marxmail via the latest 100 messages from marxmail list. why do we have to put up with all the extraneous messages entitled VIRUS REMOVED and the many other posts which seem to do only with the technical management of marxmail? It makes it difficult to read through daily postings and click on the ones you are interested in. Besides, some of these apparent virus removed, etc. messages actually have messages in them. Can somebody please clean marxmail up? -- The weight of this sad time we must obey-- Speak what we feel, not what we ought to say. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Rudaw - Kurdish Media Outlet
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Hi all, I just came across Rudaw: www.rudaw.net/english, a major Kurdish news outlet operating out of Erbil. It describes itself rather vagluely as such: Rudaw is a Kurdish media network funded and supported by Rudaw Company. The network aims to impart news and information about Kurdistan and the Middle East in a professional manner. Those interested in Kurdistan and the Kurdish cause can follow the latest developments in the region in both Kurdish and English through Rudaw’s multiple platforms. It seems well established and funded, given the scope of multi-lingual content on their website (TV, Radio, Internet, etc.). But I wonder what it's funding sources are: American, Turkish, etc. I have yet to scan to get an idea of its reportage too. Perusing some university periodical indexes (without access to any of the content) has come up with very little about Rudaw. (And yes, I've seen the Wikipedia entry) Has anyone looked into the political economy of Kurdistan's media landscape? I'd be quite interested in hearing from anyone who has an eye on this area. Thanks, Craig Butosi, MA, MLIS, B Mus (Hons) Website: http://www.craigbutosi.ca Library: library.craigbutosi.ca _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] VIRUS REMOVED
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 8/26/15 11:32 AM, Steve Heeren via Marxism wrote: I keep up with marxmail via the latest 100 messages from marxmail list. why do we have to put up with all the extraneous messages entitled VIRUS REMOVED and the many other posts which seem to do only with the technical management of marxmail? It makes it difficult to read through daily postings and click on the ones you are interested in. Besides, some of these apparent virus removed, etc. messages actually have messages in them. Can somebody please clean marxmail up? Thanks for the reminder. Les and I had plans to fix this but let it slide. Will definitely be repaired before the weekend. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fwd: Asking the Right Questions | Jacobin
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * New Left parties now proliferate, but it is still unclear for many on the European left where we go from here. We offer three strategic ideas to contribute to that debate. Broad left parties didn’t emerge out of thin air, or because of the goodwill of small radical or revolutionary groups: they are the product of shifts born of broader political mobilizations that existing parties were unable to tap into. One of the central objectives of these parties of “a new type” has been to undermine the neoliberalized social-democratic parties by siphoning off their basis of support. This is only possible if there is an autonomous political project that refuses to be a crutch for the traditional social-democratic parties, while at the same time fights for reforms, tries to win social majorities, and disputes state power. Moreover, each important rupture with the center-left parties has happened because a formation was applying pressure from the left — as with Oscar Lafontaine and other left-wing German Social Democratic Party members’ involvement in the founding of the socialist party Die Linke. full: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/08/greece-syriza-tsipras-elections-euro-left-strategy-die-linke/ _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Varoufakis on the end of capitalism
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * [Insert that Lenin face palm meme here (http://miniver.blogspot.hu/2013/08/lenin-facepalm.html?m=1)] For all the swagger and the willingness to 'tell truth to power', [Varoufakis] has little time for leftwing fantasies of revolution...He comes from radical traditions on both sides of his family, yet unlike many anti-capitalists, he is clear-eyed that leftwing revolutions have an appalling track record. “The idea that you allow capitalism to collapse under its own contradictions and we storm the Winter Palace and take over… well, we’ve tried that and the result was a dystopia.” So what, then, is the future of radical politics if it’s not overthrowing capitali sm? Rather like Marx himself, Varoufakis is a little vague about what comes next. That’s not necessarily a bad thing. Marxism can be a sharp tool for diagnosis but, as so many of Marx’s followers have proved, a depressingly blunt one when it comes to prescription. Our best hope, Varoufakis suggests, lies with the liberating effects of hi-tech developments such as 3D printing, which will transform the means of production and social relations. Or as he puts it in language that could double as parody: 'The social inefficiency of capitalism is going to clash at some point with the technological innovations capitalism engenders and it is out of that contradiction that a more efficient way of organising production and distribution and culture will emerge.' Leftwing parties still need to defend the poor and underprivileged, he says, but they must also embrace young internet whiz-kids who don’t care about the left or Marx or people like Varoufakis. 'Unless the left does that,' he says with a final flourish, 'the left is doomed.' http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/23/yanis-varoufakis-convicted-high-treason-interview-greece-finance-minister-syriza _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Arab Countries Are Forcing Palestinian ExilesBack Into Syria
POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Luko, Get it right. It has been the Syrian masses who have demanded regime change. US and European leaders have been fine with Assad even if you opportunistically chose to believe their claims to support the people. Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust http://VietnamAmericanHolocaust.com Linux Beach Productions Venice, CA 90291 (310) 581-1536 Read my blogs at the Linux Beach http://claysbeach.blogspot.com/ http://wlcentral.org/user/2965/track On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Michael Karadjis via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: POSTING RULES NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * -Original Message- From: Ken Hiebert via Marxism Lüko Willms said: Lebanon has millions of refugees from the Syrian civil war, and Jordan also lots of them, but in a very controlled and limited way. Iraq is certainly not a safe place to find a refuge in. And there is no way to get to Iran other than passing thru Iraq. Ken Hiebert replies: Luko Willms is correct in saying that it would not be easy for refugees to get from Syria to Iran by way of Iraq. But would Turkey, which has taken in some Syrian refugees, prevent them from travelling to Iran? Turkey has taken in some? Let's get the numbers right. Turkey has 1.75 million Syrian refugees, by far the highest number in the region or the world, and has spent $6 billion on them. Lebanon has around a million (not millions), Jordan about 700,000, Iraq a few, Egypt a few. As the article states, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq and Egypt - either open (Egypt, Iraq) or covert (Lebanon, Jordan) accomplices of the Assad tyranny, have been forcing Palestinians back to Assadist hell. Only Turkey hasn't (although its campaign for a 'safe zone' in northern Syria - still vigorously rejected by the US - aims partly to resettle some safely in northern Syria), and on the contrary Turkish Refugee Protection Authority allows the Palestinians of Syria in Turkey to obtain Protection Card: https://twitter.com/uygaraktas/status/629671813040074752 The idea of Iran taking in Syrian refugees makes little sense - as Iran is the major creator of Syrian refugees by being the essentially dominant sub-imperial force in Syria, it may well be Iran's moral obligation to take some, but politically it would be hard to explain to its people why Palestinians and Syrians would want to flee the nice anti-imperialist paradise that Iran is backing. People might ask questions. Actually, Palestinian toleration of the mullah regime seems mainly base don a healthy geographic distance. Actually going there they might end up in a situation like the Arab population of Ahwaz. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/clayclai%40gmail.com _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
