Re: [Marxism] Corporate media calling for deepening the war against Syria (was: This is what it’s come to: Letting Syria die watching Syrians drown)

2015-09-04 Thread A.R. G via Marxism
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I can't say I agree with Luko, but I don't agree with Michael either. Do
you guys really think that this kind of intervention is any sort of
guarantee against the bloodshed in Syria? US troops on the ground in Iraq
oversaw and participated in endless and ongoing bloodshed in Iraq.
Likewise, US-backed regime changes throughout the world have never been
successful, stable, etc. What makes you think that limited intervention
along the lines of no-fly zones would create some sort of fundamentally
different reality on the ground? Is there precedent for that working
elsewhere?

The issue of the boy drowning is quite obvious: Europe's failure to care
for those who die as a result of wars and regime operations that it has
variably backed, attempted to overthrow, etc. I do not see how his death
tells us what is to be done about Syria. In fact, I remember asking many
times both on this list and elsewhere what needs to be done. Short of
flag-waving and solidarity actions with anti-regime flags it seems like
nothing.

- Amith

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> on Donnerstag, 3. September 2015 at 16:47, Michael Karadjis via Marxism
> wrote:
>
> >  The one thing the democratic
> > opposition wanted from the world was a no-fly zone and air-patrolled
> > humanitarian corridors. Even that was too much to ask. There is no going
> > home now.
>
> > And so I have to say to them, this is the reality, this is the
> > result of all your anti-war activism, and now the people are drowning in
> > the sea.”
>
>   Another House Nigger found to bolster the war drive.
>
>   The problem for the corporate media is not the war, but that the war is
> not intense enough. They want a direct armed intervention by the USofA and
> other colonialists to take over the country.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Lüko Willms
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Re: [Marxism] Corporate media calling for deepening the war against Syria (was: This is what it’s come to: Letting Syria die watching Syrians drown)

2015-09-04 Thread Michael Karadjis via Marxism

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Oh, I thought I made quite clear when I sent the article that I didn't 
agree with a lot of it (check my post, not the piece of the article that 
Luko extracts and writes "Michael Karadjis wrote".


I have made abundantly clear for years what I think needs to be done, 
and of course it has never involved imperialist intervention. What the 
Syrian revolutionary forces need against a regime that has used its 
airforce for years to pulverise the country is **masses of good 
anti-aircraft weapons**. I've never hid that view.  Of course that 
doesn't "solve the problem" - Syrians have to solve their problems - but 
it would allow people on the ground to bring down warplanes and 
helicopters that bomb them and kill 100-200 people every day, thus 
allowing forces on the ground to partially even up the battle, not to 
mention protecting civilian lives. It still won't be even of course, 
manpads won't stop the regimes ballistic missiles etc, but it will go a 
long way towards it.


So you want to oppose imperialist intervention - good, so when do you 
think it began? As myself, Louis, Clay and others have shown dozens of 
times, when the US sent its CIA spooks to the borders to **prevent** the 
delivery of manpads to the Syrian opposition in 2012. The kind of shock 
you get from so many left-liberals at the mention of manpads, christ, if 
they were *in favour* of this US intervention to prevent the rebels 
being able to arm themselves properly, then they should quit pretending 
to be against intervention, and quit calling others interventionists.


You're either against imperialist intervention as a whole, or else you 
are a pure hypocrite if you want to take some and not the rest.


The problem with the writer of this article claiming "this is the result 
of all your anti-war activism" is that of course this simply represents 
his understanding of war and "anti-war," which in this case is 
remarkably similar to the "anti-imperialist" line of Luko who slams this 
article. So Luko lectures is about how bad it would be for the US to 
send B-52's to bomb Syria.


Really, are we living in such a mad world that everyone on all sides is 
happy to deny reality at the same time? It seems that both this Galvin 
person, and Luko, still haven't noticed that **the US has been bombing 
Syria for a year**!! When are people going to deal with the facts in 
their faces?


It is just that it is not bombing the Assad regime, ie, it is not 
bombing the particular terrorist force that leads by an overwhelming 
margin in the amount of killing, like well over 10 to 1, probably a lot 
more. In fact it is bombing ISIS, but also Nusra, and also the Islamic 
Front sometimes, and also the FSA sometimes, but never the Assad regime. 
I just put my post on precisley this up on my blog: 
https://mkaradjis.wordpress.com/2015/09/03/who-has-the-us-bombed-for-in-syria/


But it seems to me that noone wants to oppose the US war in their faces, 
because it is bombing ISIS, and as everyone knows, who reads the 
imperialist media, ISIS are uniquely evil, it "must be stopped," so we 
are certainly not going to organise an anti-war movement against the US 
imperialist intervention.


Is this a benign intervention? Have a read of this report of the 
massacre of hundreds of civilians in Syria alone over the last year by 
US airstrikes: 
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mikegiglio/the-us-led-coalition-bombing-syria-has-killed-more-civilians?utm_term=.ttDReR6VX&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=New%20Campaign#.ihGb0zeXk


What does it even mean to be continually warning against the "threat" of 
US intervention when it has been going on for a year? Especially when 
the US war currently going on against ISIS *and often against anti-ISIS 
rebels* is an air war, which drops bombs from the sky, and therefore 
often misses targets and kills civilians (even if a rate about 1/10 
of the rate of the regime's warplanes), whereas those calling for some 
kind of intervention to stop Assad's genocide are calling for a no-fly 
zone, ie, something that shoots warplanes out of the sky, to protect 
civilians, rather than involving warplanes bombing below.


Now, one who opposes the first, ongoing, US air war, has every right to 
be consistently anti-war and also oppose a no-fly zone (though if you 
don't then at least advocate a massive program of manpads, forget your 
crocodile tears for people being ripped to bits by "the war"). And those 
who oppose US bombing of ISIS have every right to be consistent and also 
oppose intervention against the regime.


However, those who have wavered the whole year, pretended there was no 
intervention, said, yeh

Re: [Marxism] Corporate media calling for deepening the war against Syria (was: This is what it’s come to: Letting Syria die watching Syrians drown)

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Hi,

Apologies, it looked as though Luko was quoting you directly.

As for your point re: hypocrisy, I've always felt the same way. I said this
about the alleged US backing of Tibetan rebels (partially true but mostly
ended in the late 1970s) that was being used to undermine left support for
Tibetan resistance. I think you and I are (more or less) on the same page.

- Amith

On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 4:01 AM, Michael Karadjis 
wrote:

> Oh, I thought I made quite clear when I sent the article that I didn't
> agree with a lot of it (check my post, not the piece of the article that
> Luko extracts and writes "Michael Karadjis wrote".
>
> I have made abundantly clear for years what I think needs to be done, and
> of course it has never involved imperialist intervention. What the Syrian
> revolutionary forces need against a regime that has used its airforce for
> years to pulverise the country is **masses of good anti-aircraft weapons**.
> I've never hid that view.  Of course that doesn't "solve the problem" -
> Syrians have to solve their problems - but it would allow people on the
> ground to bring down warplanes and helicopters that bomb them and kill
> 100-200 people every day, thus allowing forces on the ground to partially
> even up the battle, not to mention protecting civilian lives. It still
> won't be even of course, manpads won't stop the regimes ballistic missiles
> etc, but it will go a long way towards it.
>
> So you want to oppose imperialist intervention - good, so when do you
> think it began? As myself, Louis, Clay and others have shown dozens of
> times, when the US sent its CIA spooks to the borders to **prevent** the
> delivery of manpads to the Syrian opposition in 2012. The kind of shock you
> get from so many left-liberals at the mention of manpads, christ, if they
> were *in favour* of this US intervention to prevent the rebels being able
> to arm themselves properly, then they should quit pretending to be against
> intervention, and quit calling others interventionists.
>
> You're either against imperialist intervention as a whole, or else you are
> a pure hypocrite if you want to take some and not the rest.
>
> The problem with the writer of this article claiming "this is the result
> of all your anti-war activism" is that of course this simply represents his
> understanding of war and "anti-war," which in this case is remarkably
> similar to the "anti-imperialist" line of Luko who slams this article. So
> Luko lectures is about how bad it would be for the US to send B-52's to
> bomb Syria.
>
> Really, are we living in such a mad world that everyone on all sides is
> happy to deny reality at the same time? It seems that both this Galvin
> person, and Luko, still haven't noticed that **the US has been bombing
> Syria for a year**!! When are people going to deal with the facts in their
> faces?
>
> It is just that it is not bombing the Assad regime, ie, it is not bombing
> the particular terrorist force that leads by an overwhelming margin in the
> amount of killing, like well over 10 to 1, probably a lot more. In fact it
> is bombing ISIS, but also Nusra, and also the Islamic Front sometimes, and
> also the FSA sometimes, but never the Assad regime. I just put my post on
> precisley this up on my blog:
> https://mkaradjis.wordpress.com/2015/09/03/who-has-the-us-bombed-for-in-syria/
>
> But it seems to me that noone wants to oppose the US war in their faces,
> because it is bombing ISIS, and as everyone knows, who reads the
> imperialist media, ISIS are uniquely evil, it "must be stopped," so we are
> certainly not going to organise an anti-war movement against the US
> imperialist intervention.
>
> Is this a benign intervention? Have a read of this report of the massacre
> of hundreds of civilians in Syria alone over the last year by US
> airstrikes:
> http://www.buzzfeed.com/mikegiglio/the-us-led-coalition-bombing-syria-has-killed-more-civilians?utm_term=.ttDReR6VX&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=New%20Campaign#.ihGb0zeXk
>
> What does it even mean to be continually warning against the "threat" of
> US intervention when it has been going on for a year? Especially when the
> US war currently going on against ISIS *and often against anti-ISIS rebels*
> is an air war, which drops bombs from the sky, and therefore often misses
> targets and kills civilians (even if a rate about 1/10 of the rate of
> the regime's warplanes), whereas those calling for some kind of
> intervention to stop Assad's genocide are calling for a no-fly zone, ie,
> something that shoots warplanes out of the sky, to protect civilians,
> rather than involving warplanes bombing below.

[Marxism] Fwd: Keeping track of the untermenschen | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

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[Marxism] Bernie Sanders’ Vision: As Myopic as Every Other Candidate or Not?

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[Marxism] Fwd: Appointment of businessman Bruce Harreld as next U of Iowa president upsets faculty | InsideHigherEd

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(Why not just make the U. of Iowa a wholly owned subsidiary of IBM?)

Come November, the University of Iowa will have a businessman with 
little experience in academe at its helm -- and many faculty members and 
others in Iowa City aren’t happy about it.


The Iowa Board of Regents on Thursday unanimously appointed former IBM 
senior vice president Bruce Harreld as Iowa’s next president, despite 
outspoken criticism of Harreld as lacking the necessary qualifications 
to lead a university.


Harreld was one of four publicly announced finalists for the position 
and the only one without experience in higher education administration. 
He is a consultant who formerly worked as an executive at IBM, Kraft 
General Foods and Boston Market Company restaurants. His higher 
education experience is limited to eight years as an adjunct business 
professor at Harvard University and Northwestern University.


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[Marxism] Will BRICS become BIS?

2015-09-04 Thread Louis Proyect via Marxism

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NY Times, Sept. 4 2015
Friendship Between Putin and Xi Becomes Strained as Economies Falter
By JANE PERLEZ and NEIL MacFARQUHAR

BEIJING — They have met more than a dozen times and stood shoulder to 
shoulder during Thursday’s military parade here. But the once-vaunted 
relationship between the Chinese president, Xi Jinping, and Russia’s 
leader, Vladimir V. Putin, has come under strain as the economies of 
their countries have faltered.


Two landmark energy deals signed last year for Russian natural gas to 
flow to China have made little progress and were barely mentioned when 
the two men met for talks after watching the show of weapons Thursday on 
Tiananmen Square. The bilateral trade that was predicted to amount to 
more than $100 billion this year instead reached only about $30 billion 
in the first six months, largely because of a reduced Chinese demand for 
Russian oil.


Mr. Putin has enjoyed basking in the stature of Mr. Xi, who leads one of 
the world’s largest economies. But with the recent stock market turmoil 
in China and the slowest economic growth in a quarter-century, Beijing 
will be unable to provide the ballast that Mr. Putin has sought against 
economic sanctions imposed on Russia by Europe and the United States 
after its annexation of Crimea, not to mention plummeting oil prices 
worldwide.


“Russia was dependent on China growing and driving the demand for its 
commodities: oil, gas and minerals,” said Fiona Hill, a Russia 
specialist at the Brookings Institution in Washington. “China was an 
alternative to Europe.”


The linchpin of the relationship between Mr. Xi and Mr. Putin was a May 
2014 accord on a 30-year deal for China to buy natural gas from fields 
in Eastern Siberia, for a reported $400 billion, with first delivery 
between 2019 and 2021. During the signing in Shanghai, Mr. Putin bragged 
that the deal was an “epochal event” and expressed relief that Russia, 
under pressure from European sanctions, would be able to diversify its 
gas sales.


But the price was never formally announced, and it is possible that with 
plunging energy prices, the deal will have to be renegotiated, said 
Jonathan Stern, chairman of the natural gas research program at the 
Oxford Institute for Energy Studies in Britain. The Chinese wanted the 
gas for its depressed northeast region, and the Russians had started to 
prepare for its delivery, but there has been only limited drilling, he said.


Another deal, for natural gas from Western Siberia, was initialed by the 
two leaders in November in Beijing, but a formal contract that was 
expected to be signed in Beijing during Mr. Putin’s current visit 
appears to have fallen by the wayside, Professor Stern said. “This is 
the contract which Putin could have signed this week, but we understand 
will not, partly because Chinese gas demand now looks much lower than 
previously thought,” he said.


Further complicating that deal is Russia’s inability to pay for the 
pipelines, and the question of whether China needs the Russian gas badly 
enough to finance their construction, said Edward C. Chow, senior fellow 
at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. 
“China will have to pay for the construction, one way or another, given 
Russia’s financial crunch,” he said.


A Chinese expert on Russia, who is usually sanguine about the 
relationship with Moscow, said that the deal had also run into pricing 
problems. “The negotiations face many difficulties due to the plunge in 
the price of gas,” said Zhao Huasheng, director of the Center for Russia 
and Central Asia Studies at Fudan University in Shanghai. “We have to 
recalculate all the costs and try to push for a price cut.”


In Moscow, similarly, optimism about China substantially helping Russia 
out of its economic problems has faded.


“The big hope that China is going to provide a lifeline to sustain 
Russia through the sanctions and the falling oil price is not working,” 
said Alexander Gabuev, an analyst of Russian-Chinese relations at the 
Carnegie Moscow Center.


“It is a symbolic relationship — with a small, volatile economic base,” 
he said. The Kremlin elite was “disappointed that nothing has 
materialized as quickly as the Russians hoped.”


Russian demand for Chinese manufactured goods is down 40 percent, and 
for clothing 50 percent, from this time last year, Mr. Gabuev said. The 
volatile ruble has made Chinese investors wary, and attempts to get the 
countries’ banking sectors to work together have not borne much fruit, 
he added.


Because the goal of $100 billion in trade with China looks impossible to 
reach in 2015, the $200 billion the count

[Marxism] Fwd: Alex Gibney on Steve Jobs: “He was ruthless when it came to a beveled edge for the iPhone — but paying workers more in China? No way” - Salon.com

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Alex Gibney on Steve Jobs: “He was ruthless when it came to a beveled edge for the iPhone — but paying workers more in China? No way” - Salon.com

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It has been returning a 404, so I looked up a cached copy:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.salon.com/2015/09/03/alex_gibney_on_steve_jobs_he_was_ruthless_when_it_came_to_a_beveled_edge_for_the_iphone_but_paying_workers_more_in_china_no_way/
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[Marxism] Fwd: A brief response to Patrick Higgins | Louis Proyect: The Unrepentant Marxist

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This will be a brief response to Patrick Higgins latest foray on Syria 
that appears in today’s CounterPunch.


To start with, the title of his article refers to me as part of the 
Cruise Missile Left. What an odd assertion given the fact that the USA 
has been bombing Syria for more than a year but has not targeted a 
single Baathist soldier, airplane or piece of heavy artillery. What kind 
of 1984 world are we living in when an aspiring journalist can smear me 
as an advocate of American military intervention when that intervention 
has been ongoing for a year? Perhaps he will awaken from his slumber 
when a stray American missile accidentally takes out a Baathist tank.


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[Marxism] Some context about Abdullah Kurdi, father of drowned Syrian Kurdish boy who went viral

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Posted to FB by Kenan Rahmani:


1) Abdullah Kurdi, the father, was detained for 5 months in Air Force 
Intelligence in Damascus. While in detention, he was tortured and his 
teeth were pulled out. He had to sell his shop in Damascus in order to 
bribe the officers to let him out. This cost him 5,000,000 Syrian Liras 
(around $25,000)


2) After he bribed his way out of jail, Abdullah fled to Aleppo with his 
wife and sons, Alyan and Ghalib. The situation in Aleppo became 
dangerous due to the constant bombardment, so he fled again to Kobani, 
his hometown.


3) When ISIS attacked Kobani last year, the family could no longer live 
in their hometown, so they fled to Turkey. Once in Turkey, the Turkish 
government did not provide them with assistance, so they paid almost 
$6,000 to secure 4 spots on a rubber dingy to the Greek island of Kos.


4) While on the boat, rough waters caused the boat to flip. The 
lifejackets they were given were fake. His sons and wife all drowned in 
front of his eyes, in his arms.


5) Kurdi alleges that he had applied in June for refuge to Canada, but 
was rejected. After Aylan's photo became a media story, he was 
reportedly offered citizenship to Canada. But he doesn't want to go to 
Canada or Europe anymore. He says he will go bury his family in Kobani 
and stay there to fight against ISIS, because everything has been taken 
away from him and he has "nothing to live for."

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[Marxism] ISIS not the only religious fanatics destroying the past -

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[Marxism] Otto Pérez Molina of Guatemala Is Jailed Hours After Resigning Presidency

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NY Times, Sept. 4 2015
Otto Pérez Molina of Guatemala Is Jailed Hours After Resigning Presidency
By AZAM AHMED and ELISABETH MALKIN

GUATEMALA CITY — Just hours after tendering his resignation as president 
of Guatemala, Otto Pérez Molina was sent to jail to await the conclusion 
of a hearing examining his role in a multimillion-dollar customs fraud 
case that has shaken the nation and sent reverberations throughout the 
region.


The decision to jail Mr. Pérez Molina highlighted the seismic change 
sweeping through Guatemala after the corruption accusations in April, 
and offered a dramatic validation of a growing street demonstration 
movement demanding his ouster and prosecution.


For much of Guatemala’s violent history, marked by dictatorship and 
military repression, such a scene would have been unimaginable: a 
president forced to resign, then sit in open court to hear charges 
leveled against him and ultimately spend the night in a prison he once 
might have overseen as a top general.


All that in the course of a single day.

Until now, Mr. Pérez Molina had given no indication that he would go 
gently. Over months, street protests grew to include tens of thousands 
of citizens demanding that he step down over accusations that he played 
a major role in a multimillion-dollar fraud scheme. But still, the 
president — who was the military’s negotiator during talks to end the 
nation’s bloody 36-year civil war — denied wrongdoing and refused to 
leave office. But just before midnight on Wednesday, Mr. Pérez Molina 
filed his resignation, saying he would “face justice and resolve my 
personal situation.”


In the courtroom on Thursday, he listened calmly while prosecutors 
played wiretap recordings that they said implicated him as the leader of 
a vast fraud ring. His face arranged in a look of alert composure, the 
now former president took notes as more than six hours of recordings 
played before judges, lawyers and the news media.


Afterward, he paused to speak with reporters, proclaiming his innocence 
and pledging to face the allegations.


“It’s one thing to listen but another thing to investigate,” he said, 
referring to the long day of taped conversations. “All Guatemalans have 
to respect the law, and I assure you I will respect the law and this 
process.”


When Mr. Pérez Molina left the courtroom, he passed a series of cells 
filled with those accused of being gang members and others facing their 
own hearings. Some of them began catcalling, whistling, throwing up gang 
signs and shouting threats. He maintained the composure he had held 
during the hearing.


Outside, a modest but jubilant crowd filled the city’s central plaza, 
the nerve center of the protest movement that began five months ago. A 
throng of vendors sold protest paraphernalia, hawking whistles, masks 
and Guatemalan flags for about $5. As a sporadic rain fell, the crowd 
passed the time the same way it had for months, with drums, chants and 
blaring whistles.


The difference on Thursday was that the noise was characterized by 
celebration, not the outrage that had fueled it for months. The 
protesters’ goal of bringing down the president accomplished, the tenor 
was easygoing, even among the police. Where before hundreds of officers 
lined the perimeter of the plaza, on high alert, the contingent there on 
Thursday appeared relaxed, even relieved, at the events transpiring 
before them.


“The powerful of this country never bothered to lift people from the 
street,” said Cifuentes Arreaga Sergio, a 20-year veteran of the 
national civil police, who was stationed along the steps of the hulking 
Palacio Nacional.


Ignoring the occasional explosion of confetti and the cacophony nearby, 
he betrayed a smile. “This was the only thing that the power of the 
state was going to respond to,” he said.


Mr. Pérez Molina was sent to Matamoros prison, which is on a military 
base in central Guatemala City.


His vice president, Alejandro Maldonado, was sworn in as president on 
Thursday afternoon, after Congress voted to accept the resignation. Mr. 
Maldonado demanded the resignations of top government officials, though 
many had already stepped down. His term will end in January, with the 
inauguration of the winner of elections that were scheduled to begin on 
Sunday.


Mr. Pérez Molina, 64, is the first president in Guatemalan history to 
resign over a corruption scandal, experts said, a striking rarity in a 
country long known for the impunity of its political establishment. And 
though the economy in Guatemala has lagged compared with those of other 
countries in Latin America, Mr. Pérez Molina’s sudden reversal

[Marxism] Fwd: Maysaloon - ميسلون: Can the last person out of Syria please turn off the lights?

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It took a dead baby for the world to notice. Wait, I thought it took 
seventy refugees suffocating in a refrigerator with wheels for the world 
to notice? Or was it the pictures of babies floating face down in the 
water that did it? I thought we were at the tipping point when chemical 
weapons were dropped on the Damascus Ghouta in 2013, and politicians in 
the Western world wobbled their lower lips as they made their speeches 
denouncing Assad and calling for accountability. I don't buy it, and I'm 
not getting swept away with the optimism and emotion. A few thousand 
refugees let in through the net aren't going to fix this problem or make 
it go away. The refugee problem is mainly a Syrian refugee problem, and 
it stems from a dictator who continues to use barrel bomb attacks to 
depopulate towns and villages. Syrians aren't fleeing because of Jabhat 
al Nusra or even ISIS. They're fleeing because they can't live safely in 
their towns and villages when there is a constant fear of airstrikes and 
barrel bombs - the most barbaric of indiscriminate weapons.


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[Marxism] Fwd: Take a Labor Day Tour of Blue-Collar Art - The New York Times

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(Go to the NY Times website to see a slide show on blue-collar art.)

“Poor art for poor people.”

In the 1930s, the painter Arshile Gorky wielded that phrase like a 
weapon, disparaging what he saw as propagandist figurative art, art that 
often depicted and ennobled the American worker. And Gorky was far from 
alone in his scorn, as painting raced toward the purities of Abstract 
Expressionism. In his essay “Abstract Art Refuses,” Ad Reinhardt listed 
the numerous noes of his work, which included “no vested interests”; “no 
art history in America of ashcan-regional-W.P.A.-Pepsi-Cola styles”; 
and, most certainly, “no involvements.”


But the arrows of history and taste bend in mysterious ways. And with 
Labor Day at hand, New York finds itself — partly by happenstance, 
partly by design — in the middle of what might be described, with 
apologies to Gorky, as a rich moment for art about the working class, 
whose embattled existence is once again an issue in a presidential 
campaign. Over the last several weeks, I took myself on a rambling 
blue-collar art tour of the city, with help from a few curators and 
historians, visiting labor-themed art I’ve known for years — like the 
Josep Maria Sert murals at 30 Rockefeller Plaza, where I send visiting 
family to stand beneath the crotch of the colossus, who seems to be 
working not in a loincloth but in Fruit of the Looms — and finding 
dozens of pieces I’d never seen before, some because they’ve been in 
museum storage for years, or just acquired from private collections.


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[Marxism] Fwd: Regime Change Refugees: On the Shores of Europe

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Really quite sad to see Vijay Prashad writing an article that sounds so 
much like the one that WSWS.org wrote today. Regime change? Is American 
imperialism to blame for the war in Syria? Were the protests in April 
2011 orchestrated by Samantha Power in order to effect "regime change"? 
I just disposed of some other nonsense on CounterPunch written by 
someone far less erudite and respected than Vijay Prishad. There is 
something fundamentally flawed in the logic of our "anti-imperialist" 
left that it cannot bring itself to identify Bashar al-Assad as the 
cause of this misery, alongside ISIS. As someone put it, the refugees 
are dealing with two different brands of fascism, one wearing neckties 
and the other wearing beards.


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[Marxism] book for review

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I am looking for someone to review the following book for the journal, 
Socialism and Democracy: www.sdonline.org.
Cathy Bergin,  "BITTER WITH THE PAST BUT SWEET WITH THE DREAM": 

COMMUNISM IN THE AFRICAN AMERICAN IMAGINARY: 

REPRESENTATIONS OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY FROM  1940-52.



The primary focus of the analysis of this book is LONELY CRUSADE, NATIVE SON 
and INVISIBLE MAN. The author focuses on how these novels represent the 
relationship between Communism and Black identity. 



Contact me at george.snede...@verizon.net if you are interested in doing the 
review of this book.



George 

 
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[Marxism] Canadian rallies for refugees

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This is taken from a message from the Canadian Peace Alliance.  One major 
union, UNIFOR, is involved.
ken h
Dear friends,

Alan, Ghalib and Rehanna should be here. 
We want safety and welcome for all. 
Freedom to move, stay and return.

This weekend join a mobilization near you to say refugees welcome! To join a 
local protest, or to organize your own, click here and share this 
videopromoting the actions.

We need peace & prosperity not a war on refugees

The protests will take place from September 4-7 in Ajax, Calgary, London, 
Montreal, Ottawa, Quebec City, Saskatoon, St. Catharines, St John's, Toronto, 
Vancouver Coast Salish Territories, Victoria, and Winnipeg.

The events listed below are alphabetical and all times listed are local times.

AJAX 
September 9 at 5:30 
145 Kingston Rd E, Ajax, ON L1S 7J4 
https://www.facebook.com/events/1672119383021344/

CALGARY 
September 4th at 6 pm, Calgary City Hall 
https://www.facebook.com/events/710621055710365/

LONDON 
September 4, 7pm, Victoria Park 
www.facebook.com/events/522860944534245/

MONTREAL 
September 5, 2pm, Norman Bethune Square (Guy/de Maisonneuve; métro 
Guy-Concordia) 
www.facebook.com/events/765456080244145/

OTTAWA 
September 5, 2pm, Human Rights Memorial 
www.facebook.com/events/1019244151471889/

QUEBEC CITY 
September 5, 1:30pm, Place d'Youville 
www.facebook.com/events/418524548342337/

SASKATOON 
Sunday Sep 6 at 1:00 pm at City Hall Square.

ST. CATHARINES 
September 7, 1pm, Rick Dykstra's Campaign Office, 22 Geneva St. 
www.facebook.com/events/395349683995893/

ST JOHN'S 
September 6, 2pm, Harbourside Park 
www.facebook.com/events/1644091225846934/

TORONTO 
September 4, 7pm. Yonge-Dundas Square 
http://toronto.nooneisillegal.org/TORefugeesWelcome

VANCOUVER, COAST SALISH TERRITORIES 
Musqueam, Squamish, and Tsleil-Waututh lands 
September 6, 2015, 2pm. Vancouver Art Gallery (Robson side)

VICTORIA 
September 5th, 12pm, 1803 Douglas Street 
www.facebook.com/events/866680666713863/

WINNIPEG 
September 6, 7pm, Winnipeg City Hall 
www.facebook.com/events/1629216117359982/

Organize an action in your community or join a labour day march with signs. Let 
us know by emailing refugeeswelcom...@gmail.com so we can help promote it.

Use the hashtag #refugeeswelcome on Twitter and Facebook.

Check www.facebook.com/events/1703064886579884 for updated events.

To endorse the days of actions, email refugeeswelcom...@gmail.com

Endorsed by: 
No One Is Illegal - Toronto 
Solidarity Across Borders - Montreal 
No One Is Illegal - Vancouver, Coast Salish Territories 
Justice for Migrant Workers 
Afghans United for Justice 
Leadnow 
Ontario Coalition Against Poverty 
Council of Canadians 
Mexicans Living in Vancouver 
Vancouver Kurdish House 
Check Your Head: The Youth Global Education Network, Vancouver 
Canadian Romani Alliance 
Critical Muslim Voices 
Migrante Canada 
Greenpeace Canada 
Comité d'aide aux réfugiés 
UNIFOR Canada 
Rising Tide North America 
No One Is Illegal - Ottawa 
CUPE Ontario 
Canadian Peace Alliance


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[Marxism] straws in the wind

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40 years ago Milton Friedman was touring Australia and that was the
beginning of the period of neoliberalism or "economic rationalism" as they
called it.  Now Krugman is here.  What does this herald - a return to
Keynesianism?

It would be foolish to expect great things from Krugman's visit, but Nobel
Prizes are now being given to soft lefties rather than the likes of Hayek
and Friedman.  Michalel Roberts' blog informs us that the chief economist
of the IMF, Olivier Blanchard, has also just given a farewell interview and
he talks there of the need to revive "old ideas" and mentions a left
Keynesian-- Minsky.

So there are crumbling cracks in the TINA edifice and the bits are falling
on the heads of the idiots in Australia like Joe Hockey and Doug McTaggart
who want to plague the people of this great country. Hockey is our
Treasurer who tried to launch the "Age of Opportunity" in his first
austerity budget.  McTaggart is the economist who advised to the
conservative government in Qld to sack 24 thousand public servants.

I know the current Labor Party leader, Shorten, lacks a moral  compass, but
are his political antennae sensitive enough to pick up the change in the
air.

No one has commented here on how Greens leader Di Natale's economic
illiteracy is preventing the Greens from becoming the party of opposition -
the alternative government.

They should look at Canada where a right wing cretinous mate of Abbott's,
Harper, legislated to make budget surpluses compulsory and set a fixed time
on elections only to have his economy move into recession as oil prices
collapsed.  What is significant is that the NDP (like our Labor Party) said
they would not do a budget surplus and they are mired in the polls,  The
Liberals under Trudeau said they were relaxed about a surplus and now they
are heading for an election win.

If Di Natale came out like a sensible Keynesian, he would sweep through
Labor Heartlands.  If he positioned his party as the anti-austerity party
then he would have a long shot of being the next Prime Minister.   But we
are left with the squeeze from a rabid Abbott and a right wing Labor stooge
- Bill Shorten.

comradely

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[Marxism] [UCE] Fwd: A Conversation with Film Director Diego Quemada-Díez

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Fascinating interview with the director of "The Golden Dream" that I 
reviewed for CounterPunch.


http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/12/19/a-conversation-with-film-director-diego-quemada-diez/
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[Marxism] Taha Bali post about Syria on FB

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As I navigate the outpouring of sympathy directed at Syrian refugees 
that my Facebook newsfeed has become, I can not help but feel 
disappointed by the near-complete failure to mention the singularly 
accountable party for the unfolding Syrian catastrophe, that is Bashar 
al-Assad's regime.


While I fully understand the appeal of making "non-political" 
statements, the Syrian Question is one that is anything but 
non-political. And as much as addressing the Mediterranean refugee 
crisis is pressing, it is far, far from being the most pressing. Marshal 
Bashar Assad, the Syrian dictator well into the fifth decade of his 
dynasty's reign of the Syrian "Republic," and the Commander-in-Chief of 
the Syrian Armed Forces, has used every last weapon at his disposal to 
suppress the Syrian people, including industrial-scale torture, mass 
rape, ballistic missiles, chemical weapons, and more than 11,000 barrel 
bombs designed to indiscriminately and collectively terrorize civilians. 
He has systematically and deliberately targeted bakery lines, hospitals, 
gas stations, schools and vegetable markets. He has kidnapped and 
tortured to death artists, doctors, university professors and human 
rights activists. He has killed SEVEN times more Syrians than ISIS did. 
The outcome is the death of 1/3 million Syrians and a massive 
displacement of the population, likely amounting to ethnic cleansing in 
many occasions. More than 10% of children joining Jordanian schools this 
September are Syrian and almost one third of the population of 
neighboring Lebanon is now made of Syrian refugees. The total number of 
Syrians displaced, internally and externally, is more than 12 million 
people--that is more than the whole populations of Macedonia and Hungary 
COMBINED. To reduce our tragedy to a suspended refugee crisis with no 
political context is first and foremost self-defeating, but is also 
morally dubious; prioritizing the plight of that fringe of Syrians 
getting in contact with the "civilized world" and leaving behind the 
vast majority of the remaining, "less fortunate" ones.


Syrians are proud people. They prefer--and deserve--to live in their own 
towns rather than at sterile camps in a foreign land. They prefer--and 
deserve--to strive for a better future for their children, right where 
their ancestors strove for their own well-being, rather than live on 
charitable subsidies. They prefer--and deserve--to have the killing 
machine of the monster running their country put to a halt.


For Aylan Kurdi, his brother, and the 12,000 children over whose 
pointless murder presided Bashar Hafez al-Assad, let us not be 
non-political; let us not shy away from calling out the criminal. Lest 
we become partners in his crime.

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Regime Change Refugees: On the Shores of Europe

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I'm afraid we're going to see a lot of crap recently, since everybody is
forced to write about the refugee crisis and Syria finally. I just read a
piece on Common Dreams that made me so sick I had to call into work.

A few things that struck me about this latest Prashad "piece"

- title has a ring to it, that's the first & last nice thing I can say
about it.

-pandering:
"But it is the picture of Aylan Kurdi that has unsettled our ethics"
 "our ethics" - this may be a revelation to the public but I should think
he's seen far worst out of Syria
a short article that mentions Aylan Kurdi no less than 10 times!!!

"He breaks our heart. But he will do little to change our politics."
In the case of Vijay, the answer clearly is no, He still won't support
effective action to stop the violence, as we shall see.

*"*Capital is allowed be borderless. That freedom does not apply to labour
– to people. Migration is forbidden."
Good Marxist point, made here to muddy the waters since Aylan didn't drown
because his father was looking for a better job.

"When it breaks states, as it did in Libya, the West takes no
responsibility for the broken lives of the people in those zones."
And I thought that as a matter of principle Marxists hold that internal
factors generally dominate, and as a matter of history, the Libyan people,
who were the only "boots on the ground" had a lot to do with overthrowing
Qaddafi, Apparently not. But then I thought the Libyan state was broken
long before NATO got involved.

"It sees this as the limit of its humanitarianism. It calls this
humanitarian interventionism or, in the language of the UN, “responsibility
to protect” (R2P). "
Ok, I'll grant that "humanitarian intervention" has been a fraud perhaps 10
times out of 10, but certainly the world needs to do something to stop the
barrel-bombs from falling.
And I think we should consider Libya a success story BTW, because the
proper comparison for Libya today is not some idealized "Libya" of Qaddafi
propaganda and anti-imperialist fantasies. It is Syria today! I don't see
any reason sans the NATO actions or an independent thuwar victory, to
believe that Qaddafi wouldn't be barrel-bombing Benghazi and Misrata still
today and Syrians wouldn't fleeing to Libya now because it is safer.

And in defense of NATO, let me say that their job, by UN mandate, was to
see that Qaddafi couldn't deliver the kind of "Death from Above" that Assad
has been allowed to deliver for 4 years. In that they did a very good job
with a minimum [<100] civilian casualties and very little infrastructure
damage. They had no mandate to put boots on the ground or organize a new
Libyan state and only an imperialist minded "Marxist" would demand they do
anything like that. Libya will work out her problems over time. the 1st 10
year after the French revolution were messy too.

Okay he rejects the Libyan model and apparently any intervention by force,
humanitarian or otherwise. But there are now a quarter million dead, give
or take a little boy drowned on the beach.

So what's Prashad's bottom line? What's his path to a solution?

"a politics that calls for a drawdown of the violence in Syria"

If I keep reading this crap, I won't make it in to work tomorrow either.





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Venice, CA 90291
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> much like the one that WSWS.org wrote today. Regime change? Is American
> imperialism to blame for the war in Syria? Were the protests in April 2011
> orchestrated by Samantha Power in order to effect "regime change"? I just
> disposed of some other nonsense on CounterPunch written by someone far less
> erudite and respected than Vijay Prishad. There is something fundamentally
> flawed in the logic of our "anti-imperialist" left that it cannot bring
> itself to identify Bashar al-Assad as the cause of this misery, alongside
> ISIS. As someone put it, the refugees are dealing with two different brands
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[Marxism] Fwd: Greece in Chaos; KKE to Fix Everything | Worker's Spatula

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Asked how the KKE intended to concretely engage the current dynamics, 
Koutsoumpas was visibly stunned. “Isn’t that obvious? We have to 
strengthen our movement and in order to do that we will form 
anti-monopolistic and pro-people alliances. We will soon release a 
catalogue of criteria of political positions that qualify for such an 
alliance. It is a little bit more complicated than the scale I told you 
about before.”


After repeated attempts by reporters to glean some cursory summary of 
what kind of criteria the KKE was looking for, Koutsoumpas gave in and 
stated: “Alright, if you must know, I can say this much: It would be 
really helpful if everyone seeking an alliance with us agrees with our 
party line on every major issue, including our predetermined role as 
sole saviours of the Greek nation. This is because our party line is 
quite simply correct on every major issue. And, you know, it’s like Marx 
said: Die Partei, die Partei, die hat immer recht.” He concluded the 
press conference by taking a shoe that he had kept on the table 
throughout the press conference and placing it on his bare foot, thus 
demonstrating his absolute lack of revisionism.


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[Marxism] Fwd: A Tweet reminds the world: Steve Jobs was a Syrian migrant's child - Chicago Tribune

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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Greece in Chaos; KKE to Fix Everything | Worker's Spatula

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What can one say to such idiocy?  But I suppose one should show more
respect towards fossils.  Someone should tell him that when Marx used the
perm "partie" he meant the movement not a Zinovievist caricature.

comradely

Gary

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> our movement and in order to do that we will form anti-monopolistic and
> pro-people alliances. We will soon release a catalogue of criteria of
> political positions that qualify for such an alliance. It is a little bit
> more complicated than the scale I told you about before.”
>
> After repeated attempts by reporters to glean some cursory summary of what
> kind of criteria the KKE was looking for, Koutsoumpas gave in and stated:
> “Alright, if you must know, I can say this much: It would be really helpful
> if everyone seeking an alliance with us agrees with our party line on every
> major issue, including our predetermined role as sole saviours of the Greek
> nation. This is because our party line is quite simply correct on every
> major issue. And, you know, it’s like Marx said: Die Partei, die Partei,
> die hat immer recht.” He concluded the press conference by taking a shoe
> that he had kept on the table throughout the press conference and placing
> it on his bare foot, thus demonstrating his absolute lack of revisionism.
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Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Greece in Chaos; KKE to Fix Everything | Worker's Spatula

2015-09-04 Thread Tristan Sloughter via Marxism
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It is a joke site :)
https://workersspatula.wordpress.com/2015/08/24/spartacist-league-forms-syrian-battalion-in-support-of-isis/

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[Marxism] A look at Rojava's democratic, feminist revolution

2015-09-04 Thread Stuart Munckton via Marxism
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Rojava, the Kurdish-majority liberated zone in northern Syria, is the
location of a unique experiment in grassroots, participatory democracy.

It is undergoing a profound social revolution that emphasises social and
economic equality, ecology, religious tolerance, ethnic inclusion,
collectivity combined with individual freedom and, most obviously, feminism.
https://www.greenleft.org.au/node/59977
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