Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen

[james pitman via Marxism]

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i haven't said anything against HM. I know 99% of HM editorial board in uk.
Prob the main person is a close personal friend, another was my lodger.
Budgen is, at best, seriously disliked by the rest of the board. To claim
HM for budgen's credit, esp. on the terms you've given, seems to elide over
the fact he's never published anything etc etc

I was going to copy edit for HM, but it works out at less than a fifth of
minimum wage; this is sebastian's doing, and indicative of his poisonous
influence on the left. Gossip aside, do u not think the academic
colonisation of the radical/ marxist left is not in the tiniest bit
problematic?

Before going back to uni, aged about 36, I was a docker [longshoreman] and
then a carpenter. I can promise you people in those sort of jobs don't give
a fat fuck about anything that's ever published in HM. I, however, lap it
up. But only because I know it's niche esoterica for people like us - if
you seriously believe that articles about hegel's influence on fichteanism
or whatever = a future blueprint for humanity, then you're in need of
psychiatric help.

Myself, I tend to think somebody's attitude towards rape apology remains
fairly important.

Jamie




On 18 June 2014 20:58, Mark Lause  wrote:

> Thanx, Jamie.  Kiss, kiss
>
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> --
> From: james pitman
> Sent: 6/18/2014 3:31 PM
> To: Mark Lause; Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition
> Subject: Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who
> couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen
>
> Budgen is probably the most outspoken proponent of intellectual property
> rights since Metallica. Whoever stuck up for him on the basis of his fb
> profile is a one-man idiot. Most of the stuff he posts is behind a pay
> wall. He was the biggest single voice on the HM board for not barring the
> swp from future HM conferences for their rape apology. He bullied a marxist
> academic out of his job at SOAS on the basis of a personal feud. He calls
> people 'scabs' for downloading pdfs. He was born with a silver spoon in his
> mouth and he now uses it to beat people who 'rise above their station
> with'. If people think that's defensible then you're really not a marxist -
> you're a jerk.
>
> Jamie
>
>
> On 18 June 2014 18:35, Mark Lause via Marxism  > wrote:
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>> ==
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>> The hierarchy is immensely more arcane and complicated than this, perhaps
>> because there has never been a UAW to make it more standardized.
>>
>> THE ideological foundation of an academic self-perception centers on the
>> notion that it is somehow, when all is said and done, a meritocracy.  And
>> that there a key signifiers that provide a shorthand for merit.  Tenure is
>> only one of them . . . and it is not necessarily the most important.  A
>> graduate student in an elite university might well rank higher than the
>> hard working employed academic in a lesser institution, whether tenured or
>> adjunct.
>>
>> As far as the organized Left is concerned, that same grad student can be
>> the voice of the oppressed proletarian against the armchair (ie., not a
>> member of a sect) petty bourgeois academic.  I have seen this, experienced
>> it and laughed about it for many years.
>>
>> Whatever the yardstick, the plebes are just not going to measure up . . .
>> particularly if they don't stay in their place.
>>
>> The problem comes when we buy into that meritocracy stuff or, worse, the
>> notion that some institutional connection means merit.
>>
>> Solidarity,
>> Mark L.
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Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen

[Mark Lause via Marxism]

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Thanx, Jamie.  Kiss, kiss


Sent from my Windows Phone
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From: james pitman
Sent: 6/18/2014 3:31 PM
To: Mark Lause; Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition
Subject: Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't
stand Sebastian Budgen

Budgen is probably the most outspoken proponent of intellectual property
rights since Metallica. Whoever stuck up for him on the basis of his fb
profile is a one-man idiot. Most of the stuff he posts is behind a pay
wall. He was the biggest single voice on the HM board for not barring the
swp from future HM conferences for their rape apology. He bullied a marxist
academic out of his job at SOAS on the basis of a personal feud. He calls
people 'scabs' for downloading pdfs. He was born with a silver spoon in his
mouth and he now uses it to beat people who 'rise above their station
with'. If people think that's defensible then you're really not a marxist -
you're a jerk.

Jamie


On 18 June 2014 18:35, Mark Lause via Marxism 
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> The hierarchy is immensely more arcane and complicated than this, perhaps
> because there has never been a UAW to make it more standardized.
>
> THE ideological foundation of an academic self-perception centers on the
> notion that it is somehow, when all is said and done, a meritocracy.  And
> that there a key signifiers that provide a shorthand for merit.  Tenure is
> only one of them . . . and it is not necessarily the most important.  A
> graduate student in an elite university might well rank higher than the
> hard working employed academic in a lesser institution, whether tenured or
> adjunct.
>
> As far as the organized Left is concerned, that same grad student can be
> the voice of the oppressed proletarian against the armchair (ie., not a
> member of a sect) petty bourgeois academic.  I have seen this, experienced
> it and laughed about it for many years.
>
> Whatever the yardstick, the plebes are just not going to measure up . . .
> particularly if they don't stay in their place.
>
> The problem comes when we buy into that meritocracy stuff or, worse, the
> notion that some institutional connection means merit.
>
> Solidarity,
> Mark L.
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Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen

[Andrew Pollack via Marxism]

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Another in a string of undocumented, most likely bullshit, snotty and
childish attacks on a very valuable comrade (Sebastian) and institution
(HM).
My interactions with him, and with those who work with him, have been
nothing but positive.
HM is a huge resource for revolutionaries, and you all come off like a
bunch of wanna-be-theoretical-luminaries who are resentful at those who've
put in the work to contribute something significant.
If I'm wrong about all that you'll have to prove it with facts.


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> Budgen is probably the most outspoken proponent of intellectual property
> rights since Metallica. Whoever stuck up for him on the basis of his fb
> profile is a one-man idiot. Most of the stuff he posts is behind a pay
> wall. He was the biggest single voice on the HM board for not barring the
> swp from future HM conferences for their rape apology. He bullied a marxist
> academic out of his job at SOAS on the basis of a personal feud. He calls
> people 'scabs' for downloading pdfs. He was born with a silver spoon in his
> mouth and he now uses it to beat people who 'rise above their station
> with'. If people think that's defensible then you're really not a marxist -
> you're a jerk.
>
> Jamie
>
>
> On 18 June 2014 18:35, Mark Lause via Marxism  >
> wrote:
>
> > ==
> > Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message.
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> >
> >
> > The hierarchy is immensely more arcane and complicated than this, perhaps
> > because there has never been a UAW to make it more standardized.
> >
> > THE ideological foundation of an academic self-perception centers on the
> > notion that it is somehow, when all is said and done, a meritocracy.  And
> > that there a key signifiers that provide a shorthand for merit.  Tenure
> is
> > only one of them . . . and it is not necessarily the most important.  A
> > graduate student in an elite university might well rank higher than the
> > hard working employed academic in a lesser institution, whether tenured
> or
> > adjunct.
> >
> > As far as the organized Left is concerned, that same grad student can be
> > the voice of the oppressed proletarian against the armchair (ie., not a
> > member of a sect) petty bourgeois academic.  I have seen this,
> experienced
> > it and laughed about it for many years.
> >
> > Whatever the yardstick, the plebes are just not going to measure up . . .
> > particularly if they don't stay in their place.
> >
> > The problem comes when we buy into that meritocracy stuff or, worse, the
> > notion that some institutional connection means merit.
> >
> > Solidarity,
> > Mark L.
> > 
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Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen

[james pitman via Marxism]

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Budgen is probably the most outspoken proponent of intellectual property
rights since Metallica. Whoever stuck up for him on the basis of his fb
profile is a one-man idiot. Most of the stuff he posts is behind a pay
wall. He was the biggest single voice on the HM board for not barring the
swp from future HM conferences for their rape apology. He bullied a marxist
academic out of his job at SOAS on the basis of a personal feud. He calls
people 'scabs' for downloading pdfs. He was born with a silver spoon in his
mouth and he now uses it to beat people who 'rise above their station
with'. If people think that's defensible then you're really not a marxist -
you're a jerk.

Jamie


On 18 June 2014 18:35, Mark Lause via Marxism 
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> The hierarchy is immensely more arcane and complicated than this, perhaps
> because there has never been a UAW to make it more standardized.
>
> THE ideological foundation of an academic self-perception centers on the
> notion that it is somehow, when all is said and done, a meritocracy.  And
> that there a key signifiers that provide a shorthand for merit.  Tenure is
> only one of them . . . and it is not necessarily the most important.  A
> graduate student in an elite university might well rank higher than the
> hard working employed academic in a lesser institution, whether tenured or
> adjunct.
>
> As far as the organized Left is concerned, that same grad student can be
> the voice of the oppressed proletarian against the armchair (ie., not a
> member of a sect) petty bourgeois academic.  I have seen this, experienced
> it and laughed about it for many years.
>
> Whatever the yardstick, the plebes are just not going to measure up . . .
> particularly if they don't stay in their place.
>
> The problem comes when we buy into that meritocracy stuff or, worse, the
> notion that some institutional connection means merit.
>
> Solidarity,
> Mark L.
> 
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Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen

[Louis Proyect via Marxism]

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On 6/18/14 1:35 PM, Mark Lause via Marxism wrote:

The problem comes when we buy into that meritocracy stuff or, worse, the
notion that some institutional connection means merit.


I got a big laugh about 15 years ago when George Rupp, president of 
Columbia at the time, gave a presentation to IT on the university's new 
drive to re-establish itself as Number One in NYC. The talk used 
Powerpoint slides to show how it was faring against NYU. I am sure you 
could have heard the same kind of pep talk at Hertz when it was trying 
to fend off Avis.


At a certain point, Rupp honed in on the prestigious hires that had been 
finalized, including John Roemer who was a "leading Marxist". Could NYU 
top that?


Back in the 1950s, I used to love Scrooge McDuck comic books. In one 
story, Scrooge is in a competition with an Indian rich guy (clearly 
anticipating the world of today) as to who could mount a more impressive 
display of his wealth.


In the final panel, Scrooge pulls away a curtain that was concealing a 
diamond-studded top hat like the one he wore. The Indian laughed, "Is 
that all you got, a measly hat?" At that point, Scrooge pulled a lever 
and the entire work came into view. It was a 50 foot edifice of Scrooge 
covered in diamonds. This made him the clear-cut winner.


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Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen

[Mark Lause via Marxism]

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The hierarchy is immensely more arcane and complicated than this, perhaps
because there has never been a UAW to make it more standardized.

THE ideological foundation of an academic self-perception centers on the
notion that it is somehow, when all is said and done, a meritocracy.  And
that there a key signifiers that provide a shorthand for merit.  Tenure is
only one of them . . . and it is not necessarily the most important.  A
graduate student in an elite university might well rank higher than the
hard working employed academic in a lesser institution, whether tenured or
adjunct.

As far as the organized Left is concerned, that same grad student can be
the voice of the oppressed proletarian against the armchair (ie., not a
member of a sect) petty bourgeois academic.  I have seen this, experienced
it and laughed about it for many years.

Whatever the yardstick, the plebes are just not going to measure up . . .
particularly if they don't stay in their place.

The problem comes when we buy into that meritocracy stuff or, worse, the
notion that some institutional connection means merit.

Solidarity,
Mark L.

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Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen

[h0ost via Marxism]

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On 06/18/2014 12:20 PM, Louis Proyect wrote:
> On 6/18/14 12:04 PM, h0ost via Marxism wrote:
>> All this to say that, in 2014, the academy is no less of a terrain for
>> class struggle, than the (almost non-existent) factory floor.
> 
> Yeah, with the tenured professors playing the role of older auto workers
> voting for a contract based on a two-tiered wage system with new hires
> getting $17 per hour and them $37.


Exactly, and with exactly the same results: the perpetuation of tiered
labor in both places of work.  Same politics, different buildings.

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Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen

[Louis Proyect via Marxism]

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On 6/18/14 12:04 PM, h0ost via Marxism wrote:

All this to say that, in 2014, the academy is no less of a terrain for
class struggle, than the (almost non-existent) factory floor.


Yeah, with the tenured professors playing the role of older auto workers 
voting for a contract based on a two-tiered wage system with new hires 
getting $17 per hour and them $37.


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Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen

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On 06/18/2014 11:11 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

> The strange thing is that some of the most vociferous defenders of
> "classical" Marxism like Vivek Chibber seem utterly oblivious to the sea
> change taking place and are preoccupied by the widespread influence of
> Derrida, Foucault et al--as if that matters to an adjunct who can't
> afford a dentist.

The adjuncts I know are some of the most avid readers of Foucault, as
well as of Marx, Lenin and the rest of the people worth reading.  They
care as much about radical ideas as the tenured leftist in the better
offices.

Can anyone deny the fact that education is the crucial arena for the
class struggle these days?  Where did the energy come from for Occupy,
or what's happening with Sawant in Seattle?  It came from the academy.

All this to say that, in 2014, the academy is no less of a terrain for
class struggle, than the (almost non-existent) factory floor.



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Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen

[Louis Proyect via Marxism]

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On 6/18/14 11:10 AM, martin schiller via Marxism wrote:

I think that the point was that '... it takes one to know one.', degree of 
worse aside.


What a disappointment. For the 16 years that I have moderated Marxmail, 
I have always tried to convey a warm and fuzzy image.


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Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen

[Louis Proyect via Marxism]

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On 6/18/14 10:53 AM, Mark Lause wrote:

I don't usually bother with ad hominem threads like this, but the
biggest offense that's passed under my eyes was that he's unfriending
people on Fb for what others deem to be trivial reasons, , , , And that
HM is generally an elitist operation.

 From my perspective, cn onferences, publishing, etc. tend to mirror the
familiar hierarchies of the academic world.  For as long as I've been
around, I've never seen a Left organization that didn't genuflect before
the right degrees from the right places.  And I suspect that it's gone
on for a lot longer than I've been around.  I see no reason to expect
that to change or any necessity that it do so in the immediate future.


There's another dimension that has to be understood. The British SWP 
(even now after the rape cover-up scandal) and the ISO have a heavy 
investment in HM. There's an overlap of the conferences, the paywall 
journals, and publishing houses that allows them to present their views 
without putting up with the hoi polloi.


The academic conference (and that for the most part is what the Left 
Forum and HM events really are) allows a group of tenured professors on 
the left to hold forth for a half-hour or so without being very much 
accountable for what they have said. I have run into two incidents 
already where I was basically heckled down when trying to respond to HM 
contributors Charles Post and Paul Le Blanc.


Ironically, as they enjoy the privilege that attends a tenured 
professorship, the ground beneath them is melting away faster than the 
polar ice caps. As the Guernica article I forwarded earlier indicates, 
only about a third of American professors are on a tenure track while a 
movement is underfoot to challenge the paywall print journal model with 
Open Source publications.


The strange thing is that some of the most vociferous defenders of 
"classical" Marxism like Vivek Chibber seem utterly oblivious to the sea 
change taking place and are preoccupied by the widespread influence of 
Derrida, Foucault et al--as if that matters to an adjunct who can't 
afford a dentist.



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Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen

[martin schiller via Marxism]

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> 
> On 6/18/14 5:28 AM, Greg McDonald via Marxism wrote:
> 
>> *Wiki:Psychological projection* is the act or technique of defending
>> oneself against unpleasant impulses by denying
>>  their existence in oneself, while
>> attributing 
>> them to others.[1

> On Jun 18, 2014, at 6:26 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote:

> Moron, didn't you read what I wrote on the FB thread?
> 
> "I blocked Budgen about 3 years ago. He is the creepiest person I have ever 
> run into on the Internet, much worse than me."

I think that the point was that '... it takes one to know one.', degree of 
worse aside.

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I don't usually bother with ad hominem threads like this, but the biggest
offense that's passed under my eyes was that he's unfriending people on Fb
for what others deem to be trivial reasons, , , , And that HM is generally
an elitist operation.

>From my perspective, cn onferences, publishing, etc. tend to mirror the
familiar hierarchies of the academic world.  For as long as I've been
around, I've never seen a Left organization that didn't genuflect before
the right degrees from the right places.  And I suspect that it's gone on
for a lot longer than I've been around.  I see no reason to expect that to
change or any necessity that it do so in the immediate future.

Academe and higher education are not mechanisms for changing the world.  At
best, its institutions can reflect change.  At worst, they coopt it.

Solidarity!
Mark L

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Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen

[Greg McDonald via Marxism]

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*Wiki:Psychological projection* is the act or technique of defending
oneself against unpleasant impulses by denying
 their existence in oneself, while
attributing 
them to others.[1]
 For
example, a person who is rude  may
constantly accuse other people of being rude.

Although rooted in early developmental stages,[2]
 and
classed by George Eman Vaillant
 as an immature defence
,[3]
 the
projection of one's negative qualities onto others on a small scale is
nevertheless a common process in everyday life.[4]

 A
prominent precursor in the formulation of the projection principle was
Giambattista
Vico  [5]
[6]
 (23
June 1668 – 23 January 1744), and an early formulation of it is found in
ancient Greek writer Xenophanes 
(c.c. 570 – c. 475 BC), which observed that "the gods of Ethiopians were
inevitably black with flat noses while those of the Thracians were blond
with blue eyes." In 1841, Ludwig Feuerbach
 (July 28, 1804 – September
13, 1872), was the first to employ this concept as the basis for a
systematic critique of religion.[7]
[8]
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[Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen

[Ralph Johansen via Marxism]

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I submit further evidence. I had sent the message below both to HM and 
to the Weekly Worker, in response to their good review of the 
conference. I am not a sectarian, afaik. And how many of those $150 
Brill books really reappear in Haymarket format? Very few from my view. 
And why are the papers of the conference so sacrosanct? I can go to 
David Harvey's website and get gratis downloads of his lectures as soon 
as they're given. Same with countless others.


[my rejoinder slightly edited]

Dear Sebastian Budgen,

Thank you for taking the trouble to respond. Before you shut down any 
opportunity to rejoin, may I add that the examples of organizations (the 
many OWS movements such as Boston's with volunteer Doug Greene come to 
mind, or again David Harvey's website or Democracy Now! fagodsake) that 
tape these events and quite readily find enough dedicated volunteers, 
without cumbersome bureaucratic red-tape, to have them timely posted 
online and transcribed, are numerous, organizations that realize that 
their proceedings are sufficiently valuable to activists everywhere, 
time's a-wasting, and therefore they are worth getting out there asap. 
HM has a certain reputation in this regard. I'm not the first or only 
one to call attention to this. Your intemperate response seems to speak 
eloquently to your indifference to the fact that this is the middle of 
January and the event was held in mid-November, and I and others like me 
still can't read a word or view a glimpse of what took place, nor do you 
furnish any date by which you expect that we will ("will be gradually 
put online as we receive them and get the time to do so"). That's kind 
of sorry. There's no doubt that a lot of thought and energy goes into 
what you do, that's a credit to you, certainly, but don't assume that 
you're beyond reproach, or that you're not in many ways an exasperation 
to many of us, who might take kindly to a little self-acknowledgement 
and less high-Budgen-dudgeon. You might take this exchange to the board, 
you certainly have my OK, I'll abide more intemperate remarks, and maybe 
something positive could come of it.


Ralph Johansen


On 1/16/2012 5:16 AM, Sebastian Budgen wrote:

Dear Ralph Johansen,

no thanks at all for your snotty and arrogant email which you also 
sent, quite bizarrely, to the /Weekly Worker/. You could have chosen 
to ask us this question in a comradely manner, but the snarky and 
snide route obviously suited you better. Perhaps you should consider 
the possibility that if "the Left is insignificant and in deep 
trouble", it is at least in part down to the prevalence of anti-social 
little twits like yourself?


For the record - and not for you, since you are clearly a waste of 
space - the papers from the conference will be gradually put online as 
we receive them and get the time to do so, the journal relying 
entirely on unpaid militant labour with out any secretarial or 
administrative help. Moreover, the $100 Brill books that you choose to 
make a dig at all come out also as affordable paperbacks with 
Haymarket Books in the US - but to know that, one would have to be 
bothered to find out, a task clearly beyond someone as lazy and 
incompetent as yourself.


Don't ever write to us again.

Sebastian Budgen (personal capacity)
Member of the Historical Materialism Editorial Board

On 11 janv. 12, at 19:42, Journal of Historical Materialism wrote:


-- Forwarded message --
From: Ralph Johansen >

Date: 11 January 2012 04:51
Subject: Proceedings of the Historical Materialism conference in
London in November
To: historicalmaterial...@soas.ac.uk 




I am curious as to why the proceedings of the conference in London
sponsored by Historical Materialism in November are not being made
available online. Stat. I am not able to find them online when I
google historical materialism conference proceedings or Historical
Materialism. That's not ordinarily an insurmountable task. Look for
example at David Harvey's informative website. Is it because your
proceedings are being collected for another $100 book to be published
by Brill? If what was said there is so significant, why isn't it out
there for comrades all over the place to take notice of, discuss and
even learn from? Is it that this contribution to our urgent socialist
project is on hold until the press runs? Does this in any way
exemplify why the Left is insignificant, and in deep trouble?






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