Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == *Wiki:Psychological projection* is the act or technique of defending oneself against unpleasant impulses by denying http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denying their existence in oneself, while attributing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribution_%28psychology%29 them to others.[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection#cite_note-1 For example, a person who is rude http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudeness may constantly accuse other people of being rude. Although rooted in early developmental stages,[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection#cite_note-2 and classed by George Eman Vaillant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Eman_Vaillant as an immature defence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_mechanism#Level_2:_Immature,[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection#cite_note-3 the projection of one's negative qualities onto others on a small scale is nevertheless a common process in everyday life.[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection#cite_note-4 A prominent precursor in the formulation of the projection principle was Giambattista Vico http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giambattista_Vico [5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection#cite_note-5[6] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection#cite_note-6 (23 June 1668 – 23 January 1744), and an early formulation of it is found in ancient Greek writer Xenophanes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophanes (c.c. 570 – c. 475 BC), which observed that the gods of Ethiopians were inevitably black with flat noses while those of the Thracians were blond with blue eyes. In 1841, Ludwig Feuerbach http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Feuerbach (July 28, 1804 – September 13, 1872), was the first to employ this concept as the basis for a systematic critique of religion.[7] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection#cite_note-7[8] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection#cite_note-8[9 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection#cite_note-9 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection#cite_note-4 Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I don't usually bother with ad hominem threads like this, but the biggest offense that's passed under my eyes was that he's unfriending people on Fb for what others deem to be trivial reasons, , , , And that HM is generally an elitist operation. From my perspective, cn onferences, publishing, etc. tend to mirror the familiar hierarchies of the academic world. For as long as I've been around, I've never seen a Left organization that didn't genuflect before the right degrees from the right places. And I suspect that it's gone on for a lot longer than I've been around. I see no reason to expect that to change or any necessity that it do so in the immediate future. Academe and higher education are not mechanisms for changing the world. At best, its institutions can reflect change. At worst, they coopt it. Solidarity! Mark L Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 6/18/14 5:28 AM, Greg McDonald via Marxism wrote: *Wiki:Psychological projection* is the act or technique of defending oneself against unpleasant impulses by denying http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denying their existence in oneself, while attributing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attribution_%28psychology%29 them to others.[1 On Jun 18, 2014, at 6:26 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote: Moron, didn't you read what I wrote on the FB thread? I blocked Budgen about 3 years ago. He is the creepiest person I have ever run into on the Internet, much worse than me. I think that the point was that '... it takes one to know one.', degree of worse aside. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 6/18/14 10:53 AM, Mark Lause wrote: I don't usually bother with ad hominem threads like this, but the biggest offense that's passed under my eyes was that he's unfriending people on Fb for what others deem to be trivial reasons, , , , And that HM is generally an elitist operation. From my perspective, cn onferences, publishing, etc. tend to mirror the familiar hierarchies of the academic world. For as long as I've been around, I've never seen a Left organization that didn't genuflect before the right degrees from the right places. And I suspect that it's gone on for a lot longer than I've been around. I see no reason to expect that to change or any necessity that it do so in the immediate future. There's another dimension that has to be understood. The British SWP (even now after the rape cover-up scandal) and the ISO have a heavy investment in HM. There's an overlap of the conferences, the paywall journals, and publishing houses that allows them to present their views without putting up with the hoi polloi. The academic conference (and that for the most part is what the Left Forum and HM events really are) allows a group of tenured professors on the left to hold forth for a half-hour or so without being very much accountable for what they have said. I have run into two incidents already where I was basically heckled down when trying to respond to HM contributors Charles Post and Paul Le Blanc. Ironically, as they enjoy the privilege that attends a tenured professorship, the ground beneath them is melting away faster than the polar ice caps. As the Guernica article I forwarded earlier indicates, only about a third of American professors are on a tenure track while a movement is underfoot to challenge the paywall print journal model with Open Source publications. The strange thing is that some of the most vociferous defenders of classical Marxism like Vivek Chibber seem utterly oblivious to the sea change taking place and are preoccupied by the widespread influence of Derrida, Foucault et al--as if that matters to an adjunct who can't afford a dentist. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 06/18/2014 11:11 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote: The strange thing is that some of the most vociferous defenders of classical Marxism like Vivek Chibber seem utterly oblivious to the sea change taking place and are preoccupied by the widespread influence of Derrida, Foucault et al--as if that matters to an adjunct who can't afford a dentist. The adjuncts I know are some of the most avid readers of Foucault, as well as of Marx, Lenin and the rest of the people worth reading. They care as much about radical ideas as the tenured leftist in the better offices. Can anyone deny the fact that education is the crucial arena for the class struggle these days? Where did the energy come from for Occupy, or what's happening with Sawant in Seattle? It came from the academy. All this to say that, in 2014, the academy is no less of a terrain for class struggle, than the (almost non-existent) factory floor. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 6/18/14 12:04 PM, h0ost via Marxism wrote: All this to say that, in 2014, the academy is no less of a terrain for class struggle, than the (almost non-existent) factory floor. Yeah, with the tenured professors playing the role of older auto workers voting for a contract based on a two-tiered wage system with new hires getting $17 per hour and them $37. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The hierarchy is immensely more arcane and complicated than this, perhaps because there has never been a UAW to make it more standardized. THE ideological foundation of an academic self-perception centers on the notion that it is somehow, when all is said and done, a meritocracy. And that there a key signifiers that provide a shorthand for merit. Tenure is only one of them . . . and it is not necessarily the most important. A graduate student in an elite university might well rank higher than the hard working employed academic in a lesser institution, whether tenured or adjunct. As far as the organized Left is concerned, that same grad student can be the voice of the oppressed proletarian against the armchair (ie., not a member of a sect) petty bourgeois academic. I have seen this, experienced it and laughed about it for many years. Whatever the yardstick, the plebes are just not going to measure up . . . particularly if they don't stay in their place. The problem comes when we buy into that meritocracy stuff or, worse, the notion that some institutional connection means merit. Solidarity, Mark L. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 6/18/14 1:35 PM, Mark Lause via Marxism wrote: The problem comes when we buy into that meritocracy stuff or, worse, the notion that some institutional connection means merit. I got a big laugh about 15 years ago when George Rupp, president of Columbia at the time, gave a presentation to IT on the university's new drive to re-establish itself as Number One in NYC. The talk used Powerpoint slides to show how it was faring against NYU. I am sure you could have heard the same kind of pep talk at Hertz when it was trying to fend off Avis. At a certain point, Rupp honed in on the prestigious hires that had been finalized, including John Roemer who was a leading Marxist. Could NYU top that? Back in the 1950s, I used to love Scrooge McDuck comic books. In one story, Scrooge is in a competition with an Indian rich guy (clearly anticipating the world of today) as to who could mount a more impressive display of his wealth. In the final panel, Scrooge pulls away a curtain that was concealing a diamond-studded top hat like the one he wore. The Indian laughed, Is that all you got, a measly hat? At that point, Scrooge pulled a lever and the entire work came into view. It was a 50 foot edifice of Scrooge covered in diamonds. This made him the clear-cut winner. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Budgen is probably the most outspoken proponent of intellectual property rights since Metallica. Whoever stuck up for him on the basis of his fb profile is a one-man idiot. Most of the stuff he posts is behind a pay wall. He was the biggest single voice on the HM board for not barring the swp from future HM conferences for their rape apology. He bullied a marxist academic out of his job at SOAS on the basis of a personal feud. He calls people 'scabs' for downloading pdfs. He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and he now uses it to beat people who 'rise above their station with'. If people think that's defensible then you're really not a marxist - you're a jerk. Jamie On 18 June 2014 18:35, Mark Lause via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The hierarchy is immensely more arcane and complicated than this, perhaps because there has never been a UAW to make it more standardized. THE ideological foundation of an academic self-perception centers on the notion that it is somehow, when all is said and done, a meritocracy. And that there a key signifiers that provide a shorthand for merit. Tenure is only one of them . . . and it is not necessarily the most important. A graduate student in an elite university might well rank higher than the hard working employed academic in a lesser institution, whether tenured or adjunct. As far as the organized Left is concerned, that same grad student can be the voice of the oppressed proletarian against the armchair (ie., not a member of a sect) petty bourgeois academic. I have seen this, experienced it and laughed about it for many years. Whatever the yardstick, the plebes are just not going to measure up . . . particularly if they don't stay in their place. The problem comes when we buy into that meritocracy stuff or, worse, the notion that some institutional connection means merit. Solidarity, Mark L. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/marinercarpentry%40gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Another in a string of undocumented, most likely bullshit, snotty and childish attacks on a very valuable comrade (Sebastian) and institution (HM). My interactions with him, and with those who work with him, have been nothing but positive. HM is a huge resource for revolutionaries, and you all come off like a bunch of wanna-be-theoretical-luminaries who are resentful at those who've put in the work to contribute something significant. If I'm wrong about all that you'll have to prove it with facts. On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 3:31 PM, james pitman via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Budgen is probably the most outspoken proponent of intellectual property rights since Metallica. Whoever stuck up for him on the basis of his fb profile is a one-man idiot. Most of the stuff he posts is behind a pay wall. He was the biggest single voice on the HM board for not barring the swp from future HM conferences for their rape apology. He bullied a marxist academic out of his job at SOAS on the basis of a personal feud. He calls people 'scabs' for downloading pdfs. He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and he now uses it to beat people who 'rise above their station with'. If people think that's defensible then you're really not a marxist - you're a jerk. Jamie On 18 June 2014 18:35, Mark Lause via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The hierarchy is immensely more arcane and complicated than this, perhaps because there has never been a UAW to make it more standardized. THE ideological foundation of an academic self-perception centers on the notion that it is somehow, when all is said and done, a meritocracy. And that there a key signifiers that provide a shorthand for merit. Tenure is only one of them . . . and it is not necessarily the most important. A graduate student in an elite university might well rank higher than the hard working employed academic in a lesser institution, whether tenured or adjunct. As far as the organized Left is concerned, that same grad student can be the voice of the oppressed proletarian against the armchair (ie., not a member of a sect) petty bourgeois academic. I have seen this, experienced it and laughed about it for many years. Whatever the yardstick, the plebes are just not going to measure up . . . particularly if they don't stay in their place. The problem comes when we buy into that meritocracy stuff or, worse, the notion that some institutional connection means merit. Solidarity, Mark L. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/marinercarpentry%40gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/acpollack2%40gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Thanx, Jamie. Kiss, kiss Sent from my Windows Phone -- From: james pitman Sent: 6/18/2014 3:31 PM To: Mark Lause; Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition Subject: Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen Budgen is probably the most outspoken proponent of intellectual property rights since Metallica. Whoever stuck up for him on the basis of his fb profile is a one-man idiot. Most of the stuff he posts is behind a pay wall. He was the biggest single voice on the HM board for not barring the swp from future HM conferences for their rape apology. He bullied a marxist academic out of his job at SOAS on the basis of a personal feud. He calls people 'scabs' for downloading pdfs. He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and he now uses it to beat people who 'rise above their station with'. If people think that's defensible then you're really not a marxist - you're a jerk. Jamie On 18 June 2014 18:35, Mark Lause via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The hierarchy is immensely more arcane and complicated than this, perhaps because there has never been a UAW to make it more standardized. THE ideological foundation of an academic self-perception centers on the notion that it is somehow, when all is said and done, a meritocracy. And that there a key signifiers that provide a shorthand for merit. Tenure is only one of them . . . and it is not necessarily the most important. A graduate student in an elite university might well rank higher than the hard working employed academic in a lesser institution, whether tenured or adjunct. As far as the organized Left is concerned, that same grad student can be the voice of the oppressed proletarian against the armchair (ie., not a member of a sect) petty bourgeois academic. I have seen this, experienced it and laughed about it for many years. Whatever the yardstick, the plebes are just not going to measure up . . . particularly if they don't stay in their place. The problem comes when we buy into that meritocracy stuff or, worse, the notion that some institutional connection means merit. Solidarity, Mark L. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/marinercarpentry%40gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == i haven't said anything against HM. I know 99% of HM editorial board in uk. Prob the main person is a close personal friend, another was my lodger. Budgen is, at best, seriously disliked by the rest of the board. To claim HM for budgen's credit, esp. on the terms you've given, seems to elide over the fact he's never published anything etc etc I was going to copy edit for HM, but it works out at less than a fifth of minimum wage; this is sebastian's doing, and indicative of his poisonous influence on the left. Gossip aside, do u not think the academic colonisation of the radical/ marxist left is not in the tiniest bit problematic? Before going back to uni, aged about 36, I was a docker [longshoreman] and then a carpenter. I can promise you people in those sort of jobs don't give a fat fuck about anything that's ever published in HM. I, however, lap it up. But only because I know it's niche esoterica for people like us - if you seriously believe that articles about hegel's influence on fichteanism or whatever = a future blueprint for humanity, then you're in need of psychiatric help. Myself, I tend to think somebody's attitude towards rape apology remains fairly important. Jamie On 18 June 2014 20:58, Mark Lause markala...@gmail.com wrote: Thanx, Jamie. Kiss, kiss Sent from my Windows Phone -- From: james pitman Sent: 6/18/2014 3:31 PM To: Mark Lause; Activists and scholars in Marxist tradition Subject: Re: [Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen Budgen is probably the most outspoken proponent of intellectual property rights since Metallica. Whoever stuck up for him on the basis of his fb profile is a one-man idiot. Most of the stuff he posts is behind a pay wall. He was the biggest single voice on the HM board for not barring the swp from future HM conferences for their rape apology. He bullied a marxist academic out of his job at SOAS on the basis of a personal feud. He calls people 'scabs' for downloading pdfs. He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and he now uses it to beat people who 'rise above their station with'. If people think that's defensible then you're really not a marxist - you're a jerk. Jamie On 18 June 2014 18:35, Mark Lause via Marxism marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The hierarchy is immensely more arcane and complicated than this, perhaps because there has never been a UAW to make it more standardized. THE ideological foundation of an academic self-perception centers on the notion that it is somehow, when all is said and done, a meritocracy. And that there a key signifiers that provide a shorthand for merit. Tenure is only one of them . . . and it is not necessarily the most important. A graduate student in an elite university might well rank higher than the hard working employed academic in a lesser institution, whether tenured or adjunct. As far as the organized Left is concerned, that same grad student can be the voice of the oppressed proletarian against the armchair (ie., not a member of a sect) petty bourgeois academic. I have seen this, experienced it and laughed about it for many years. Whatever the yardstick, the plebes are just not going to measure up . . . particularly if they don't stay in their place. The problem comes when we buy into that meritocracy stuff or, worse, the notion that some institutional connection means merit. Solidarity, Mark L. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/marinercarpentry%40gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Re And I thought I was the only person who couldn't stand Sebastian Budgen
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I submit further evidence. I had sent the message below both to HM and to the Weekly Worker, in response to their good review of the conference. I am not a sectarian, afaik. And how many of those $150 Brill books really reappear in Haymarket format? Very few from my view. And why are the papers of the conference so sacrosanct? I can go to David Harvey's website and get gratis downloads of his lectures as soon as they're given. Same with countless others. [my rejoinder slightly edited] Dear Sebastian Budgen, Thank you for taking the trouble to respond. Before you shut down any opportunity to rejoin, may I add that the examples of organizations (the many OWS movements such as Boston's with volunteer Doug Greene come to mind, or again David Harvey's website or Democracy Now! fagodsake) that tape these events and quite readily find enough dedicated volunteers, without cumbersome bureaucratic red-tape, to have them timely posted online and transcribed, are numerous, organizations that realize that their proceedings are sufficiently valuable to activists everywhere, time's a-wasting, and therefore they are worth getting out there asap. HM has a certain reputation in this regard. I'm not the first or only one to call attention to this. Your intemperate response seems to speak eloquently to your indifference to the fact that this is the middle of January and the event was held in mid-November, and I and others like me still can't read a word or view a glimpse of what took place, nor do you furnish any date by which you expect that we will (will be gradually put online as we receive them and get the time to do so). That's kind of sorry. There's no doubt that a lot of thought and energy goes into what you do, that's a credit to you, certainly, but don't assume that you're beyond reproach, or that you're not in many ways an exasperation to many of us, who might take kindly to a little self-acknowledgement and less high-Budgen-dudgeon. You might take this exchange to the board, you certainly have my OK, I'll abide more intemperate remarks, and maybe something positive could come of it. Ralph Johansen On 1/16/2012 5:16 AM, Sebastian Budgen wrote: Dear Ralph Johansen, no thanks at all for your snotty and arrogant email which you also sent, quite bizarrely, to the /Weekly Worker/. You could have chosen to ask us this question in a comradely manner, but the snarky and snide route obviously suited you better. Perhaps you should consider the possibility that if the Left is insignificant and in deep trouble, it is at least in part down to the prevalence of anti-social little twits like yourself? For the record - and not for you, since you are clearly a waste of space - the papers from the conference will be gradually put online as we receive them and get the time to do so, the journal relying entirely on unpaid militant labour with out any secretarial or administrative help. Moreover, the $100 Brill books that you choose to make a dig at all come out also as affordable paperbacks with Haymarket Books in the US - but to know that, one would have to be bothered to find out, a task clearly beyond someone as lazy and incompetent as yourself. Don't ever write to us again. Sebastian Budgen (personal capacity) Member of the Historical Materialism Editorial Board On 11 janv. 12, at 19:42, Journal of Historical Materialism wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Ralph Johansen mdriscol...@charter.net mailto:mdriscol...@charter.net Date: 11 January 2012 04:51 Subject: Proceedings of the Historical Materialism conference in London in November To: historicalmaterial...@soas.ac.uk mailto:historicalmaterial...@soas.ac.uk I am curious as to why the proceedings of the conference in London sponsored by Historical Materialism in November are not being made available online. Stat. I am not able to find them online when I google historical materialism conference proceedings or Historical Materialism. That's not ordinarily an insurmountable task. Look for example at David Harvey's informative website. Is it because your proceedings are being collected for another $100 book to be published by Brill? If what was said there is so significant, why isn't it out there for comrades all over the place to take notice of, discuss and even learn from? Is it that this contribution to our urgent socialist project is on hold until the press runs? Does this in any way exemplify why the Left is insignificant, and in deep trouble? --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options
