Re: [Marxism] a query
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Al Gore Jr.: "And here on stage with the president, in addition to Lilly Hardin (sp), who I will present in just a moment -- and incidentally, Lilly Hardin's (sp) daughters Sheronda (sp) and Shanika (sp) are seated next to the first lady here -- we also have Penelope Howard (sp) and Janet Farrell (sp). All three of these individuals have lived lives that illustrate why the country must take the step that we're taking with the president's signature today." c-span.org/video/?74541-1/welfare-reform-bill-signing also https://www.alternet.org/2015/05/tragic-end-woman-bill-clinton-exploited-poster-child-gutting-welfare/ https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/editorials/ct-welfare-reform-clinton-afdc-tanf-child-poverty-edit-0822-jm-20160819-story.html https://www.nytimes.com/1996/08/23/us/clinton-signs-bill-cutting-welfare-states-in-new-role.html _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] a query
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * In the photo of Bill Clinton signing his welfare bill in 1996 there are two black women in the frame. the one on the right is a large woman and to Clinton's left there is a slimmer black woman in a white dress. Does anyone who anything about these women? www.salon.com/2016/08/28/a-failed-policy-based-on-failed-research-the-destructive-legacy-of-bill-clintons-1996-welfare-reform-act comradely Gary _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: https://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] a query
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I wonder if anyone one on the list has any thoughts on Frank Furedi's work on the Culture of Fear. I have done some work in the past with James Heartfield's take on this, but unfortunately I cannot locate his book - lost somewhere in my library. It seems to me as a general position the Spiked on line mob in their move out of Marxism migrated along the ancient pathway to libertarianism inflected by Nietzscheanism with its trope of the chest beating heroic individual trapped between the unwashed and the indifferent. Nietzsche was and always will be an abiding temptation for the isolated intellectual in bad times. I am currently taking a look at Furedi's Culture of Fear Revisited. Some of the points he makes are undoubtedly valid but truth to tell I am on the opposite side of the fence from the libertarians most of the time. Any comments would be very welcome. ae Gary _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] a query
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Shelby Steele is (on his past record) not credible. Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > On 2/6/17 7:05 PM, Gary MacLennan via Marxism wrote: > > I am doing some work on the Aboriginal thinker Noel Pearson. He cites > > approvingly the work of Shelby Steele. I would be grateful for any > > pointers to the latter - critiques especially > > > > Shelby Steele is a neocon who was much better known in the 70s. > > He's with the Hoover Institute now: > > http://www.hoover.org/profiles/shelby-steele > > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/wytheholt%40cox.net _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] a query
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 2/6/17 7:05 PM, Gary MacLennan via Marxism wrote: I am doing some work on the Aboriginal thinker Noel Pearson. He cites approvingly the work of Shelby Steele. I would be grateful for any pointers to the latter - critiques especially Shelby Steele is a neocon who was much better known in the 70s. He's with the Hoover Institute now: http://www.hoover.org/profiles/shelby-steele _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] a query
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I am doing some work on the Aboriginal thinker Noel Pearson. He cites approvingly the work of Shelby Steele. I would be grateful for any pointers to the latter - critiques especially ae Gary _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] a query
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * Lenin's Tomb has gone into semi-permanent recess, alas. UK subscribers to Lou's list seem to be most noticeable by their silence, alas again. Does anyone know of a source (Leftist of course and preferably not ISO) which comments regularly on UK politics? Would be grateful for a pointer. comradely Gary _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] A query from Ahmet Tonak
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 01 Apr 2015, at 8:21 PM, Louis Proyect via Marxism quoted Lars Lih as saying: >> in those days, people thought advanced >>capitalism was moving toward a semi-planned economy Has capitalism - in practice, not in theory - ever been anything else? What differs among various visions of advanced capitalism is more the cover story than the reality. Capitalism without planning (and other interventions by the state, the latter construed broadly) wouldn’t last long at all, for brutally material reasons. In contrast, the durability of the covering lie of “free markets” - a covering lie that is itself a planned, ideological intervention - is determined by other constraints and forces - including, most importantly, the expansive pliability of human imagination. That same imagination is at work in the fantasy of a decisive and visible break between “capitalism" and “socialism” - the fantasy of a “fateful day”, which provides only false comfort against the harsh necessity of constant, thankless struggle against every White Army of the future. It is the fantasy that makes necessary the prophetic intervention of the original alleged quotation: Don’t expect any magic, any deus ex machina, any revolutionary pivot of history. Not even /fundamental/ change will necessarily be sufficient. Perhaps there will be no more fateful day than the day on which a critical mass of the world’s poor and oppressed realises that there is no fateful day, and that they must continue to struggle. Lenin may not have said it, but he should have. _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] A query from Ahmet Tonak
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 3/13/15 10:43 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism wrote: On 3/13/15 10:35 AM, Ahmet Tonak wrote: I am in the process of writing a piece on transition to socialism, focusing on especially economic programs/steps/stages etc. So, I am open to any suggestion. I also need the bibliographic information about a quote from Lenin that I cannot pinpoint. I was something like this: "There is no difference between tha last day of capitalism and the first day of socialism." Do you remember anything like this? The context and the source? Hi, Ahmet I will take a look later but in the meantime I am forwarding your query to Marxmail. Someone is bound to have a handle on that there. Lou I heard back on this from Lars Lih today: On 4/1/15 10:50 AM, Lars Lih wrote: Hi all -- Sorry I haven't responded, the note was sent to my McGill address, which I rarely consult (I only teach a course there every other year or so). You inquire about the following alleged Lenin quote: "There is no difference between the last day of capitalism and the first day of socialism." I don't know this quote -- and in fact, I'm rather skeptical about its existence. Lenin didn't really concern himself with such questions, and I can't think of a context where it may have come up. But if I'm proved wrong -- well, I will have learned something. Something resembling this sentiment is a main idea of Kautsky's book /The Day after the Social Revolution/, from 1902 -- Lenin helped get it published in Russian. But note: note the hazy and metaphysical concepts of "capitalism" and "socialism", but, more concretely, after the proletariat comes to power. And talking about that: I've been writing up Bukharin's book from 1920, /Economy of the Transition Period/, and his angle, I think, would be this. On the one hand, the social revolution entails a collapse not only in the state (smash the state) but in the economy (smash the economy). This is a "production cost of revolution" and has to be paid. On the other hand, when a certain new normalcy is achieved, the structures will /look like/ advanced capitalism (in those days, people thought advanced capitalism was moving toward a semi-planned economy). On the third hand, although the structures look the same, it will be fundamentally different, because a different class will be ruling (as per Dave the truck-driver). Or, as I summarize his (Bukharin's) view: things will be fundamentally different -- but /only /fundamentally. Hope this helps -- LTL _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] A query from Ahmet Tonak
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * I've always thought Mandel did a great job of laying out the basics on that question, including as refutation of Bettelheim. One aspect of Mandel's account which I found useful recently: he points to the contradiction between advances in the spheres of production and distribution, and how lags in the latter mean unavoidable dependence on norms of bourgeois equality and right (as Marx had predicted), and how that in turn held back democratic planning of already-socialized production. In a note on intersectionality recently I cited some examples of how Trotsky and others explained what the prevalence of such bourgeois norms meant for the continued need to depend on the family, which is key in that distributive sphere, and helps explain why the socialization of reproduction was crucial for the whole economy. On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Louis Proyect via Marxism < marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > POSTING RULES & NOTES > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > * > > On 3/13/15 10:35 AM, Ahmet Tonak wrote: > >> >> I am in the process of writing a piece on transition to socialism, >> focusing on especially economic programs/steps/stages etc. So, I am >> open to any suggestion. >> >> I also need the bibliographic information about a quote from Lenin that >> I cannot pinpoint. I was something like this: "There is no difference >> between tha last day of capitalism and the first day of socialism." Do >> you remember anything like this? The context and the source? >> > > Hi, Ahmet > > I will take a look later but in the meantime I am forwarding your query to > Marxmail. Someone is bound to have a handle on that there. > > Lou > > _ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/ > options/marxism/acpollack2%40gmail.com > _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] A query from Ahmet Tonak
POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. * On 3/13/15 10:35 AM, Ahmet Tonak wrote: I am in the process of writing a piece on transition to socialism, focusing on especially economic programs/steps/stages etc. So, I am open to any suggestion. I also need the bibliographic information about a quote from Lenin that I cannot pinpoint. I was something like this: "There is no difference between tha last day of capitalism and the first day of socialism." Do you remember anything like this? The context and the source? Hi, Ahmet I will take a look later but in the meantime I am forwarding your query to Marxmail. Someone is bound to have a handle on that there. Lou _ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] A query on single- vs. multi-issue activists
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I've recently discussed whether activists who focus their efforts mostly on one issue, or those working on multiple fronts at once, accomplish more. (I'm inclined to think the former.) But it occurs to me that some Marxist grouping or another must have taken the time to examine this very question more scientifically when figuring out how to best steer its members. So what say you all? Has anyone actually looked at it methodically? -- "Hige sceal þe heardra, heorte þe cenre, mod sceal þe mare, þe ure mægen lytlað." Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
