Re: [Marxism] Query: Southern Poverty Law Center
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == These legal groups have obvious limitations, but from time to time they bring some good lawsuits against the Klan and other fascists. The real shame is that nobody on the left that I know of is keeping tabs on the Minutemen, the Klan etc., so if we want any information at all, we have to go to groups such as the SPLC for the background. I don't think anyone here is suggesting the SPLC is an organization which should be emulated by future working-class organizations, if and when they do arise. It's so very easy to criticize the way-too-obvious shortcomings of other organizations, but that should be the first step to laying the groundwork for something different. Criticism without doing the spade work to bring about some kind of alternative is really just empty. For my part, I'll take the good information and leave the bad. Good info. can be useful. Here in the south Latino organizations will continue to work with the ACLU for obvious reasons. Many if not most are undocumented workers. As far as I'm concerned, the Latino groups are in the vanguard, as demonstrated by the mass May Day demos of 2006. Those demos were all about pressuring Congress for an extension of legal rights to work in the USA without the fear of being arrested and deported. Without the fear of deportation, union organizing becomes more possible. The Latino groups are still pushing the same agenda. More power to them. If they want the legal cover provided by ACLU lawyers, that's fine by me. At least the latter care enough to be involved, and are doing something useful with their law degrees. Greg On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:12 AM, sha...@aol.com wrote: Well, I have a take on the SPLC and it follows. Its self-righteousness and bevy of acolytes make me cringe. Its petty-bourgeois moralism is repulsive. Punishing the consequences of capitalist decay can run the risk of a fundamental assault on civil liberties and it seems to me that the SPLC comes close to that. The defense of the bill of rights is better left to the ACLU - even though that organization, when it extended from civil liberties to civil rights as its focus evolved into an organization for the political advancement of its cadre. Historically, the National Lawyers Guild should have filled the role that these organizations now attempt to. But after falling in love with itself in the sixties it fell prey to the would be leftists who wanted to transform it into a left political party. The only organization that came close to acting as a vanguard for democracy realized through law was the Workers Defense League which pretty much disappeared after Roland Watts. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Greek commies storm Finance Ministry
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Shawn wrote: One imagines that the next few trips to the spa for Sarkozy, Burlusconi, and Merkel will be less relaxing. Keep shorting the Euro. And the Pound. But beware to be caught in the middle of current 1.3700/1.1.3450 channel. Three days ago I idiotically bet against Euro and Pound in the middle with my micro account and with the same thoughts in my mind. At one point I was on the verge of loosing my entire fortune but last night happily closed all my 18 positions at the break-even level. While I think the price is heading towards the bottom again, traders should wait for Non-Farm Employment Change and Unemployment Rate announcements from US for confirmation before shorting anything. In my brief experience with financial markets, I've come to the conclusion that the only profitable strategy for small time crooks is take the money and run, it's even better not to play at all while you still have some money. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Greece Update
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Clashes at Greek protest against austerity (AP) - 7:09AM EST ATHENS, Greece - Clashes have broken out in central Athens during a protest outside parliament as lawmakers prepared to vote on austerity measures to deal with Greece's debt crisis. Police used tear gas and stun grenades to disperse rock-throwing protesters during the clashes Friday as several thousand demonstrators gathered in the center capital. The Socialist-led parliament is set to approve a euro4.8 billion ($6.5 billion) package that will hike consumer taxes and slash pay for public sector workers by up to 8 percent. http://tinyurl.com/ycjwz92 Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] NPA/CP deal
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Some Leninists, certainly...though not all... On the other hand, some anarchists (not all, of course) will do what they believe is right--attack the cops, trash stores, etc.--with no concern as to what the deluded masses might want or be ready for It's a difference that often eludes me... ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Greek commies storm Finance Ministry
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Bloomberg TV is reporting right now that the protestors are chucking rocks at THEM - Bloomberg! For many, many years I have wanted to throw rocks at Bloomberg. Shawn Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Student protest report
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == (Go to link below for embedded links of interest) http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2010/03/05/california March on Everywhere! March 5, 2010 BERKELEY, CALIF. -- In an unprecedented day of national protest across all sectors of education, the epicenter proved to be this college town where the seeds of student activism were sown more than 40 years ago. With the smell of burning sage and the occasional hint of weed in the air, an impassioned throng of students from the University of California’s Berkeley campus marched to Oakland (where the university system's headquarters are located) in opposition of budget cuts and tuition hikes they say are crippling one of the nation’s premier public institutions. While the five-mile trek to Oakland proved largely peaceful, police arrested as many as 200 protesters once they reached freeways and tried to block them. The arrests mark the continuation of a what many describe as a troubling trend at the University of California, which has seen recent allegations of police brutality, racially motivated discord and an activist movement that at times appears intent on provoking law enforcement. To hear protesters tell it, this wicked stew of issues has been simmering for some time. A cycle of budget cuts imposed by the state and tuition hikes approved in response by the university have set UC on a path toward privatization, creating more barriers for minority and low-income students, critics say. When Louis Reyes, a student activist, hopped on the flatbed of a white pickup parked at the intersection of Telegraph Ave. and Bancroft Way -- within sight of a student bookstore -- he argued that the noose found at the university’s San Diego campus was not a random act of intolerance, but rather a byproduct of larger issues of inequality within the system. “The racism that has been seen throughout the UC … isn’t just individual racism, but this is indicative of the structural racism that the crisis of public education today represents for our community,” said Reyes, who works with a student group called Third World Assembly that advocates for minorities. Administrators might take issue with the suggestion that the poorest students are being denied access, as they have publicly and intentionally tried to spare those of modest means from hikes. Even so, the “privatization” tag now persists to such a level that dozens of individual demonstrators interviewed independently Thursday often sounded as if they were reading from the same script on the issue. “We’re starting to privatize a public good,” said Waseem Salahi, a Berkeley student, echoing the comments of many. Among hundreds of voices, however, it’s difficult to find more fervent critics of “privatization” than a small group of witty students who have suggested that’s exactly what they want. The “UC Movement for Efficient Privatization” (UCMeP -- and don’t forget to lowercase the “e” in “Me”) was at its sardonic best Thursday, suggesting the university be privatized more quickly. Yes, it’s a joke. Lamenting a protest movement hell-bent on keeping the university public, a spokesman for the organization conceded among a sea of angry students that “Today is really a scary day for us.” But Shane Boyle and his UCMeP cohorts did their best to keep the momentum behind their own movement. His partner in capitalism, Micki McCoy, dressed as a stewardess and pleaded through signage that the protesters “Help Buy [Mark] Yudof a Plane” -- an obvious and pointed reference to the university system president’s controversial QA with the New York Times, wherein he justified being paid more than the U.S. president by saying “Will you throw in Air Force One and the White House? The interview, published more than five months ago, has caused quite a stir. Tom Blair, chair of the Foreign Languages Department at City College of San Francisco, said in an interview Wednesday that his friends in the UC system “would have just as soon bring out the guillotine“ the day after the story was published. Emigrant Experience Mirrored Across State (and Beyond) Thursday’s protest in Berkeley proved just the beginning of a “Day of Action,” which included a sizable throng aiming their attention directly at political leaders in Sacramento (as California college and university leaders might prefer) and culminated in a significant demonstration at the San Francisco Civic Center. Attended by what appeared to be more than 2,000 people at its peak -- police did not provide estimates before publication -- the protest was a mosaic of concerned citizens of every age, color and creed. Among the demonstrators was Jose Cardeñas-Pisfil, who emigrated from Peru with a dream of a better life in
[Marxism] Stephen Kinzer on vote to condemn Turkey as guilty of genocide
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == (Kinzer used to be the NY Times correspondent in Turkey. He is also the author of a highly regarded book on American gunboat diplomacy although his coverage on Nicaragua in the 1980s did not stray far from State Department talking points.) http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/mar/05/turkey-armenia-genocide-us-vote Genocide vote harms US-Turkey ties Was the 1915 killing of Armenians genocide? The question is debatable, but it's not for the US Congress to decide by Stephen Kinzer For the US house of representatives foreign affairs committee to decide that the killing of Armenians by Ottoman Turks in 1915 constituted genocide, as it did Thursday by a one-vote margin, would be acceptable and even praiseworthy if it were part of a serious historical effort to review all the great atrocities of modern history. But the singling out of Turks for censure, among all the killers of the 20th century, is something quite different. This vote was a triumph of emotion, a victory for ethnic lobbying, and another example of the age-old American impulse to play moral arbiter for the world. Turkey recalled its ambassador in Washington immediately after the vote, which was broadcast live on Turkish television. The resolution now goes to the full House of Representatives. Given the pull of moneyed politics, and President Obama's unwillingness or inability to bring Congress to heel on this issue, as Presidents Bush and Clinton did, it could pass. That would provoke much anger in Turkey, and might weaken the US-Turkish relationship at the precise moment when the US needs to strengthen it. In the past few years, Turkey has taken on a new and assertive role in the Middle East and beyond. Turkey can go places, talk to factions, and make deals that the US cannot. Yet it remains fundamentally aligned with western values and strategic goals. No other country is better equipped to help the US navigate through the region's treacherous deserts, steppes and mountains. Would it be worth risking all of this to make a clear moral statement? Perhaps. What emerged from Washington this week, though, was no cry of righteous indignation. Various considerations, including the electoral power of Armenian-Americans, may have influenced members of Congress. It is safe to surmise, however, that few took time to weigh the historical record soberly and seek to place the Ottoman atrocity in the context of other 20th century massacres. Two questions face Congress as it considers whether to call the 1915 killings genocide. The first is the simple historical question: was it or wasn't it? Then, however, comes an equally vexing second question: is it the responsibility of the US Congress to make sensitive judgments about events that unfolded long ago? The first question is debatable, the second is not. Congress has neither the capacity nor the moral authority to make sweeping historical judgments. It will not have that authority until it sincerely investigates other modern slaughters – what about the one perpetrated by the British in Kenya during the 1950s, documented in a devastating study that won the 2006 Pulitzer prize? – and also confronts aspects of genocide in the history of the United States itself. Doing this would require an enormous amount of largely pointless effort. Congress would be wiser to recognise that it does not exist to penetrate the vicissitudes of history or dictate fatwas to the world. This vote has already harmed US-Turkish relations because it has angered many Turks. If the resolution proceeds through Congress, it will cause more harm. This is lamentable, because declining US-Turkish relations will be bad for both countries and for the cause of regional stability. Just as bad, the vote threatens to upset the fragile reconciliation that has been underway between Turkey and Armenia in recent months. In this episode is encapsulated one of the timeless truths of diplomacy. Emotion is the enemy of sound foreign policy; cool consideration of long-term self-interest is always wiser. Congress seems far from realising this. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Student sing-in
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[Marxism] The Independent -- Robert Fisk: Even I question the 'truth' about 9/11
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Robert Fisk: Even I question the 'truth' about 9/11 bia...@embarqmail.com has sent you this article from The Independent. Message from bia...@embarqmail.com: Robert Fisk on 9/11 Truthers, written in 2007. http://license.icopyright.net/user/external.act?publication_id=7463 http://license.icopyright.net/user/external.act?href=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fopinion%2Fcommentators%2Ffisk%2Frobert-fisk-even-i-question-the-truth-about-911-462904.html Robert Fisk: Even I question the 'truth' about 9/11 Each time I lecture abroad on the Middle East, there is always someone in the audience - just one - whom I call the raver. Apologies here to all the men and women who come to my talks with bright and pertinent questions - often quite humbling ones for me... http://license.icopyright.net/user/external.act?href=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fopinion%2Fcommentators%2Ffisk%2Frobert-fisk-even-i-question-the-truth-about-911-462904.html Click here to view this content. http://www.clipandcopy.comSign Up for ClipCopy® to find other content like this. It's a free personalized news alert and press clippings service. http://license.icopyright.net/3.7463?icx_id=opinion/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-even-i-question-the-truth-about-911-462904.html?service=PrintICopyright Click here for reuse options! © 2007 Independent News and Media Powered by http://info.icopyright.comiCopyright.com. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] NPA/CP deal
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Shawn writes, ... and some Marxists support the use of publicly funded bulldozers and dump-trucks to haul cash to banks. As is often the case, I find myself honestly at a loss to know what he's talking about. However, I'm sure he's correct in that somewhere, somebody who calls himself or herself a Marxist is probably doing that. Or drowning kittens. Or something reprehensible People can call themselves anything they want to call themselves That is precisely why I repeatedly make the point of urging people to focus on the essence of the politics and not place so much stock in labels. For my own part, I am certain that I am closer politically to many people who prefer to call themselves anarchists or some such preferred term than I am to many who prefer to call themselves Marxist. ML PS: I would actually agree with Ernest on this, but I'm afraid that there's no room for me in the hot tub and I can never quie remember the words to Kumbaya Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Perry Anderson idiocy on China
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Mark Lause wrote: The problem is that Marxists see the State as a mechanism for one class to dominate the society. So, too, when a revolution happens, it involves the replacement of one state power with another. There are basic problems in seeing a revolution or a counterrevolution that does not blow away the old state and bring in a new one. ML ... From Badiou's Logics of Worlds: Mao's reactions to the Manual of Political Economy published by the Soviets under Khrushchev, at the height of the post-Stalinist 'thaw'. The manual recalls that under communism, taking into account the existence of hostile exterior powers, the state endures. But it adds that 'the nature and forms of the state will be determined by the particular features of the communist system', which comes down to assigning the form of the state to something other than itself. Against this, as a good revolutionary formalist, Mao thunders: By nature, the state is a machine whose purpose is to oppress hostile forces. Even if internal forces that need to be oppressed no longer exist, the oppressive nature of the state will not have changed with respect to hostile external forces. When one speaks of the form of the state, this means nothing other than an army, prisons, arrests, executions, etc. As long as imperialism exists, in what sense could the form of the state differ with the advent of communism? Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Workers paralyse Greece
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index.php/news/content/view/full/87600 http://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/index.php/news/content/view/full/87600Workers paralyse Greece as MPs debate big cuts Greek workers have shut down hospitals, schools and public transport again in protest at the government's socially unjust spending cuts. Thousands of Communist-affiliated union members rallied peacefully outside parliament, where MPs were debating a new 4.8 billion euros (£4.3bn) austerity package that will ramp up taxes on fuel, alcohol and cigarettes and slash public-sector workers' pay. Protesters chanted: Greece is not Ireland, the rich must pay for the crisis, in reference to Dublin's regressive austerity programme. All state schools were closed, while hospitals functioned with emergency staff and all Athens public transport was idle. And air traffic controllers' work stoppage cancelled dozens of flights, while journalists also walked off the job for a few hours. GSEE union confederation general secretary Yiannis Panagopoulos said: We must wage a long and effective struggle - the new measures are one-sided and socially unjust. The national walkout follows hard on the heels of a strike against cuts that brought the country to a standstill for 24 hours on February 24. All Workers Militant Front union spokesman Giorgos Skiadiotis said: Our protests have to be long-lasting and relentless because the more rights we surrender the more they want to take away from us. Finance Minister George Papaconstantinou insisted that the cuts would appease international speculators and EU officials, enabling Athens to borrow money under reasonable conditions. Mr Papaconstantinou said: In emergencies, governments take emergency measures. Will we have to take further measures? No, provided we implement the programme we have submitted. Greece's Panhellenic Socialist Movement-led government is seeking a total 16bn euros (£14.5bn) in savings this year to reduce a budget deficit of 30bn euros (£27bn) that is over four times the EU limit as a percentage of annual output. Yesterday PM George Papandreou urged EU states to firm up pledges of financial support for his indebted administration. Mr Papandreou held talks in Luxembourg with Prime Minister Jean-Claude Juncker, who is head of the group of eurozone finance ministers, before meeting German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin. Germany is expected to play a key role in any financial lifeline the EU plans to offer Greece. But prior to yesterday's meeting, Berlin insisted that it would not be about giving aid - and the EU promise of support, first issued last month, remains vague. Mr Papandreou will also discuss the debt crisis with French President Nicolas Sarkozy in Paris tomorrow and he is scheduled to meet US President Barack Obama in Washington on Tuesday. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Perry Anderson idiocy on China
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Is it? Anderson's perspective may have seemed out of place, even pessimistic, on the heels of Seattle, but I'll still defend Renewals and would argue that it has been largely vindiciated. Quoting Elliott's excellent Ends in Sight: A more balanced rejoinder to ‘Renewals’ came from the French Trotskyist Gilbert Achcar. He took issue with the ‘crude economic determinism’ on display in the passage from ‘Renewals’ quoted above, arguing that Anderson’s historical sense deserted him when, in an aberrant wagering on the worse, he looked to ‘a slump of inter-war proportions’ to redound to the benefi t of the left. On the other hand, Achcar noticed something of a paradox missed by many others: ‘In reality, Perry Anderson’s editorial expresses profound pessimism while simultaneously and unmistakably marking a new radicalization: the editor of NLR displays a particularly combative mood.’ This qualifi ed, without altogether cancelling, what was deemed to be Anderson’s ‘historical pessimism’ – the stance of someone ‘who has more and more become a practitioner of the “pessimism of the intellect” championed by Gramsci’. Champion of Gramsci though he undoubtedly is, Anderson would nevertheless dissent here, declining to subscribe to the Sardinian’s voluntaristic couplet: ‘pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will’. As we have seen, the posture he commends is one of ‘uncompromising realism’, repudiating the option of pessimism or optimism, whether of the intellect or the will, as fallacious. [...] The analytical duty to be discharged, closer in temper to Spinoza’s non ridere, non lugere neque detestari, sed intelligere (not to ridicule, not to lament or execrate, but to understand) than to Gramsci’s ‘pessimism of the intellect’, is accurate refl ection of the state of the world. But that need not preclude resistance to it. Two key questions, then: did ‘Renewals’ broadly refl ect the trends of contemporary political history at the time it was written? And has the reaction of ‘resignation’ – even with the qualifi cation: ‘for the foreseeable future’ – precluded resistance to them? Given the Deutscherite cast of Anderson’s Marxism over more than four decades, it would have been surprising to fi nd him enjoining anything other than ‘a lucid registration of historical defeat’ as the sole plausible starting point for what was left of the traditional left in 2000. On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Louis Proyect l...@panix.com wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Bhaskar Sunkara wrote: I'm actually just re-reading Considerations on Western Marxism now. I think Perry's piece was engaging, but that line did catch me by surprise (lower case c too)... did he give up on Marxist histography sometime after 1980? Because Arguments Within English Marxism, Considerations and his extended essay on Gramsci from the 1970s are masterpieces. Of his recent stuff I don't know, but I think his Renewals essay from 2000 and his critical coverage of The Age of Extremes have their merits. I'm far more critical of the recent trajectory of Tariq Ali. The key to understanding Perry Anderson is his disillusionment with socialist revolution and a newly developed interest in bourgeois ideology that surfaced in a 2000 NLR article and which should explain his nod to the Brookings Institute guy. This is a good analysis: Issue 88 of INTERNATIONAL SOCIALISM JOURNAL Published Autumn 2000 The 'historical pessimism' of Perry Anderson GILBERT ACHCAR Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The Independent -- Robert Fisk: Even I question the 'truth' about 9/11
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Mar 5, 2010, at 12:14 PM, Mark Lause wrote: We can always talk about UFOs. I'm sure that the government almost never tells the truth about them. Why are you sure? Do you claim that the government has identified *almost all* of them and is lying by claiming that they are unidentified? Why is it lying? Shane Mage L'après-vie, c'est une auberge espagnole. L'on n'y trouve que ce qu'on a apporté. Bardo Thodol Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Perry Anderson idiocy on China
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Mar 5, 2010, at 3:30 PM, Louis Proyect wrote: Just because a government calls itself Communist, it does not make a communist state. But what Anderson obviously means (or should mean) is that the communist government presiding over China's manifestly capitalist economy is every bit as communist--and therefore has the same class nature--as it did in 1949 and ever since. Shane Mage This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire, kindling in measures and going out in measures. Herakleitos of Ephesos Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The Independent -- Robert Fisk: Even I question the 'truth' about 9/11
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Mar 5, 2010, at 8:17 PM, Louis Proyect wrote: Shane Mage wrote: We can always talk about UFOs. I'm sure that the government almost never tells the truth about them. Why are you sure? Do you claim that the government has identified *almost all* of them and is lying by claiming that they are unidentified? Why is it lying? Let's let this drop. Maybe in a year or so we'll revisit it. I don't understand. As far as I remember this is the first time that anyone has discussed the topic of UFOs on this list. Shane Mage The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed. Joe Stack (1956-2010) Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Perry Anderson idiocy on China
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Instrumentalists? Engels? On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 8:58 PM, brad bauerly bbaue...@gmail.com wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == ML wrote- The problem is that Marxists see the State as a mechanism for one class to dominate the society. -- Which Marxists do this? Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/bhaskar.sunkara%40gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Perry Anderson idiocy on China
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Mar 5, 2010, at 8:58 PM, brad bauerly wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == ML wrote- The problem is that Marxists see the State as a mechanism for one class to dominate the society. -- Which Marxists do this? Marx, Lenin, Trotsky for three... Shane Mage Porphyry in his Abstinance from Animal Flesh suggests that there are appropriate offerings to all the Gods, and to the highest the only offering acceptable is silence. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] March 4th Actions in California: HUGE
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Wrote this early this morning written for a local audiance... --David Just woke up (4am) for work. Rally in San Francisco was huge...10 to 15 thousand. Every school, collage, high school, etc provided the main feeder march from the Mission district...we had at least 10,000 marching down Mission toward Civic Center. Started with about 4,000 but *g r e w* along the way. Total of 15,000. But...this was the most spirited march and demo I've ever been on. In many ways, even more than the May 1, 2006 immigrant rights strike (which was certainly larger). [A note on 'form'. Drums. Drums are now a mandatory tool for any mass action. Drums...and there were several contingents of various drummers...from bongo drums to Taiko drums, totally kept and revved up the thousands. Luv 'em. Can't march without them.] I would say that over 95% of the people at this march and rally had *never* been on a march or rally in their lives. The average age had to be about 19. Dozens of HS struck and rallied with teachers and students, mostly, completely, organized by the rank-and-file caucus of the United Educators of SF (the joint NEA/AFT local here) called Educators for a Democratic Union. Every conceivable chant was loudly scream and yelled. It was total energy, a sense of power, a sense of history being made. We organized from Skyline Communiut College a large banner with dozens of students marching behind it, in conjunction with Cañada CC and College of San Mateo district CCs and unions (the AFT local in our district). This whole march followed dozens of walk outs by *thousands* of more students who did not come to the SF rally. The real story is this. At my collage (where I was registered last year and my son is a full time student), close to a 500 students and staff walked out at 10am. We totally took over the 'official' student gov't action scheduled for the same time in reaction to our grass roots efforts. Thousands more students walked out/went home or stayed home with most classes effectively shutdown. This is true through out the San Mateo Community Col. district (the county south of San Francisco). Our local 'feeder' high schools: classes canceled, held local rallies in Pacifica and San Bruno. Labor presence was there at the rally including *small*groups of effected workers (TWU 250, SEIU 1021, etc etc). Small, IMHO but they may of been bigger. Didn't hear the speeches. Education unions, though, obviously, were well represented. Politically it was NO CUTS and everything that comes from this. Any speaker, usually a union official who tried to put through a compromising no more cuts was greeted with the above mentioned response or Reverse the cuts, no layoffs, NOW! There were hundreds, literally, of actions and strikes throughout the state. The NYT doesn't give a good sense of California (albeit a decent job of national actions). Every single public college had some sort of action. David Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Karl Marx, Theory of Justice and Moral Philosophy (for Turkish readers)
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == 1970’li ve 1980’li yıllarda İngilizce konuşulan dünyada Marksizm üzerine Fransızca ve Almanca konuşulan dünyalardakinden farklı bir tartışma gelişti. Bugün değişik biçimler alarak hala süren ve Fransızca ve Almanca konuşulan dünyada neredeyse hiç bir rol oynamayan bu tartışmanın merkezinde Marx’ın ahlak felsefesi ve adalet teorisiyle olan ilişkisi bulunuyordu. İngilizce konuşulan dünyadan farklı olarak Fransızca konuşulan dünyada yapılan tartışmalarda, yapısalcı felsefenin etkin olmasından dolayı Marx’ın eserindeki sistem-özne ilişkisi öne çıkmıştır. Almanca konuşulan dünyada ise; sistemler arası rekabetin en dolaysız bir şekilde yaşanmasından ve idealist felsefenin Kant’tan bu yana köklü geleneklere sahip olmasından dolayı; bir taraftan Marx’ın idealist felsefeyi nasıl aştığı en ince ayrıntısına kadar gün ışığına çıkarılmıştır; diğer taraftan Hegel’den beri gündemde bulunan ama özellikle Marx’ın gençlik yazılarının 1970’li yıllarda yayınlanmasıyla yeniden canlanan ‘yabancılaşma’ (Alm.: *Entfremdung*, İng.: *Alienation*) ve ‘tanıma’ (Alm.: *Anerkennung*, İng.: *Recognition*) teorilerinin Marx’ın eserindeki yeri üzerine köklü tartışmalar yapılmıştır. http://dogangocmen.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/karl-marx-adalet-teorisi-ve-ahlak-felsefesi.pdf -- Dogan Göcmen (http://dogangocmen.wordpress.com/) Author of The Adam Smith Problem: Reconciling Human Nature and Society in The Theory of Moral Sentiments and Wealth of Nations, I. B. Tauris, LondonNew York 2007 Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism-Thaxis] Michael Moore: There's going to be a second economic crash
MICHAEL MOORE: THERE'S GOING TO BE A SECOND ECONOMIC CRASH (AND GLENN BECK CAN 'F--K OFF') By Cenk Uygur, The Young Turks Michael Moore lets loose on Beck, the Democrats, and the state of our economy as he unrolls his DVD release of capitalism. http://www.alternet.org/story/145920/michael_moore%3A_there%27s_going_to_be_a_second_economic_crash_%28and_glenn_beck_can_%27f--k_off%27%29 ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
[Marxism-Thaxis] Science is laws
I have developed the thesis below on Marxism-Thaxis and elsewhere. The issue came up again, for me, on LBO-Talk, when there was talk of economics, a social science, taking metaphors from physics. I piped up, well, physics takes its main metaphor from a social science, law. It is not just that science presents itself as a large collection of laws. Science also analogizes to the legal concepts of evidence, facts , theory; proof, standards of proof. Experiments are trial and error. The whole scientific process seems modelled largely on the legal process of proving guilt or innocence, liability or non-liability, the truth, in a particular legal case. Law even emphasizes the Marxist epistemological principle of practice. Proof is done in practice. Notice the law has sided with science in the dispute with intelligent design. The analysis in those cases demonstrates further today's US's law adherence to principles of science _for science_. Charles ^^ Law is a science ? Or more like science is a collection of laws . Newton first and second laws, law of gravity, the several laws of thermodynamics, Boyle's law , Charles' law ( no relation, smile), laws of aerodynamics, laws of ... The metaphor is that natural phenomena are lawgoverned like people in societies with states are governed. Charles Laws of science http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_science The laws of science are various established scientific laws, or physical laws as they are sometimes called, that are considered universal and invariable facts of the physical world.[dubious – discuss] Laws of science may, however, be disproved if new facts or evidence contradicts them. A law differs from hypotheses, theories, postulates, principles, etc., in that a law is an analytic statement, usually with an empirically determined constant. A theory may contain a set of laws, or a theory may be implied from an empirically determined law. Contents [hide] 1 Overview 2 Conservation laws 3 Gas laws 4 Einstein's laws 5 Newton's laws 6 Chemical laws 7 Electromagnetic laws 8 Thermodynamic laws 9 Quantum laws 10 Other laws 11 See also 12 Notes Conservative estimates indicate that there are 18 basic physical laws in the universe: [1] Fluid mechanics Archimedes’ principle Force, mass, and inertia Kepler’s three laws of planetary motion Newton’s three laws of motion Euler's laws of rigid body motion Newton’s law of universal gravitation Heat, energy, and temperature Newton’s law of cooling Boyle’s law Law of conservation of energy Joule’s first and second law The four laws of thermodynamics Quantum mechanics Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle Others, such as Roger Penrose in his 2004 book The Road to Reality (subtitled A Complete Guide to the Laws of the Universe), argue that there are a large number of established laws of science. Some laws, such as Descartes’ first law of nature, have become obsolete.[citation needed] A rough outline of the basic laws in science is as follows - Hide quoted text - On 3/1/10, c b cb31...@gmail.com wrote: Chris Doss Law is a science? CB: Interesting question Chris ,to me anyway. Seems to me that parts of it are or maybe science takes parts of the law as a model. Cases are decided based on none other than evidence, material evidence. So, it's a materialist in this way. Arguments are made applying the law or theory to certain facts to prove propositions regarding social matters, human society. ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
