Re: [Marxism] Turks know the difference between Jews and Zionists

[Néstor Gorojovsky]

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I am not confronting S. Artesian on the list. This is something I
promised I wouldn´t do.

But what Eli is stating is absolutely right. I hasten to endorse his
declarations, and for good reason as it will be seen immediately.

The actions of the State of Israel are predicated by such State on
every and each Jew of the world. No one belies the State of Israel.
Thus, increasing masses of people believe the sayings of the State of
Israel. In a planet so used to scapegoat whole peoples (not just the
Jews, also the Germans all of whom are Nazis, the Serbians, etc.) any
amount of time dedicated by each and every Jew with an ounce of not
dignity but common sense to violently separate her or himself of the
policies of the State of Israel is time dedicated to a sensible and
just cause.

The State of Israel thrives on hatred against non Israeli Jews. Why
should they care if their actions make it grow...

2010/6/11 Eli Stephens :

>
> S. Artesian takes me to task: "Israel's actions reflect on Jews everywhere?  
> That's a load of crap, and just parrots the Zionist Israeli-Jewish conflation 
> from a supposed left perspective."
>
> You do me a disservice. I'm certainly not saying that Israel's actions 
> REPRESENT Jews everywhere. Obviously they don't. I'm saying that is the way 
> millions of people around the world perceive it, and in that sense, they 
> definitely do "reflect on" Jews everywhere.
>
>

-- 

Néstor Gorojovsky
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[Marxism] Film: STONEWALL UPRISING

[John Obrien]

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I wanted to let those comrades on this list know, that a new documentary film 
on the Stonewall Rebellion, will be showing in around 40 cities, starting next 
week.  The title of the film is: Stonewall Uprising.  I am one of the six 
people shown interviewed in the film.

 

The New York City film opening is Wednesday June 16, at the Film Forum theater.

 

The Los Angeles film opening is Friday June 18 at the Nuart Film Theater (that 
is part of the Landmarks Film Chain, that will be showing this film over the 
next two months at all their other locations across the country.)

 

I will be speaking and taking questions from the audience at the 7:30 PM 
showing on 6/18/10, at the Nuart Film Theater in Los Angeles. 

 

The producers of this documentary, Kate Davis and David Heilbroner have won 
previous awards for their work.  Kate Davis is an academy award winner and most 
known for her work on the film: Southern Comfort.  I would welcome feedback 
from those who view the film Stonewall Uprising. 


Other cities are being added on the First Run Features website, and the press 
that week
includes a feature in the NY Post and Next Mag (postcard w/ cities attached) 
The Los Angeles Times has included in their review to appear this week, some of 
my own feelings and opinions, as a participant in the Stonewall Rebellion.

 
Here is the Film Forum site -- tell your friends!
http://firstrunfeatures.com/stonewalluprising.html



  
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[Marxism] Statistical evidence and climate change (was Climate & Capitalism, June 10, 2010)

[Nick Fredman]

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On 11/06/2010, at 1:09 AM, Ian Angus wrote:

> DISSECTING THOSE ‘OVERPOPULATION’ NUMBERS:
> PART TWO: THE PERILS OF PER CAPITA
> http://climateandcapitalism.com/?p=2560

I've taken the liberty of putting a comment I made on the climate and 
capitalism site here as well, as I think it'd be of general interest, and as 
noted I'm interested in feedback.

---

Ian,
 
I’ve got a few points on the statistics of all this, which while a bit 
complicated I think will be helpful for the layperson (and those more 
knowledgeable about climate change and/or statistics might like to point out 
any errors).

Firstly: distributions, such as of income, are indeed important to understand, 
rather than just a central tendency, but the latter is often important as well. 
With regard to this tendency, an important point is that a median is not the 
same as the average, or mean. The mean of a set of values comes from adding all 
the values up and dividing by how many values there are; the median is lining 
all the values up and picking the one in the middle. They are in fact the same 
in the familiar bell curve distributions which many measurements fall into, 
particularly natural ones, but not skewed ones, like income, and even more 
wealth, under capitalism, or the cancer survival rates in Gould's essay 
http://www.phoenix5.org/articles/GouldMessage.html

This is important because means as a summery distort a skewed distribution a 
lot more than a median. If Gould had been given the mean survival rate he would 
have freaked out more as it would have been even less than the median 8 months 
he was told, because the bunching towards the bottom pulls the average below 
what the values for most individuals actually is, whereas the median indicates 
that half the people so far measured have lasted less than 8 months, and half 
more, stretching out to the 20 years Gould got and more. Because under 
capitalism there’s a relatively small range between even welfare recipients and 
well-paid workers compared to a few bourgeois squillionaires bunching the 
distribution well towards the top end, an average income figure will be well 
above what most people earn, while the median tends to be around a typical full 
time wage. So it can be a useful summary, though often a more detailed summary, 
like citing a range around the mean or median (as appropriate) or chopping up 
the distribution into bits such as deciles, is often more useful.

Secondly: In preparing for a talk on population, consumerism and the 
environment for the Socialist Alliance in Melbourne in a couple of weeks, l’ve 
been thinking about valid ways of statistically showing actual relationships 
between environmental impact, population, “affluence” and “technology”. That’s 
because the (very partial) value of the I=PAT formula is that these factors are 
in some ways related, even if they don’t in and of themselves tell us the whole 
story, particularly about causation. What I’ve been mucking around with might 
prove useful I think in helping us understand the attraction of such formulae, 
because they relate to real if partial phenomena, and also help us put the case 
for the real explanations and solutions.

What I’ve done is get together, for 12 (so far) countries across the size and 
wealth spectrums, and recorded annual CO2 emissions (a measure of I), 
population, GNP (a measure of A). I’m not really sure what the populationists 
means by T – how much tech? How advanced it is? When the iphone G4 is released 
does T go up a bit? I’ve got something to say about a valid measure of T below, 
but as I can’t think of anything easy to look up now I’ll ignore it. Which is 
lesson number one: when constructing a model the researcher, not God or the 
universe, decides what variables to include.

Anyway I got my I, P and A numbers, and put them into the stats application. I 
got that to graph I vs P – and there’s definitely a moderate to strong linear 
positive relationship (for the stats heads, r=0.66). Countries with higher 
populations tend to produce more C02. If we do that for I vs A, we get a 
stronger positive relationship (r=0.80). Countries with higher GNPs tend to 
produce more C02. So you can see why many concerned punters will think, well 
it’s the population and the affluence causing this shit we’re in.

If we want to see if we can make a more detailed mathematical model of how 
these variables relate together, with I as the dependent variable and the 
others as the independent variable (i.e. I = something to do with P and A) it 
actually makes no mathematical sense when we have the independent linear 
relationships mentioned above just to multiply P and A together. What we (or 
the computer) do is a technique called a regression, which 

[Marxism] Threat against Iran escalates

[Louis Proyect]

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http://www.jpost.com/IranianThreat/News/Article.aspx?id=178190
'Saudi airspace open for Iran attack'
By JPOST.COM STAFF
12/06/2010  
Israeli jets ok'd to fly over Saudi Arabia reports 'The Times'.

Saudi Arabia will allow Israeli jets to use its airspace to bomb Iran's 
nuclear facilities reported The Times of London on Saturday.

The report cited a US defense source as saying the Saudis have already 
done tests to ensure no jet is shot down in the event of an Israeli 
attack. The source added that the US State Department is aware of the 
action and agrees with it.

A Saudi government source confirmed that a blind eye would be turned to 
Israeli jets attacking Iran, according to the report.

An Israeli attempt to destroy Iran's nuclear capabilities would target 
uranium enrichment facilities at Qom and Natanz as well as a heavy water 
reactor at Arak and a gas storage development at Isfahan.

The UN Security Council passed a fourth set of sanctions against Iran on 
Wednesday in the hopes of diplomatically stopping Iran's development of 
a nuclear weapon.

Israel's Foreign Ministry released a statement following the passing of 
the sanctions which said that the resolution was "not enough," and that 
what was necessary now was for additional “significant steps” to be 
taken by various countries and international groupings.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10298071.stm
Russia backs away from Iran missile deal

Vladimir Putin and Nicolas Sarkozy Mr Putin held talks with President 
Sarkozy at the Elysee Palace

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has said Moscow will freeze the 
sale of surface-to-air missiles to Iran, according to French officials.

Mr Putin made the comments in talks with French President Nicolas 
Sarkozy in Paris, the officials said.

In an apparent change of direction by Moscow, Russia's foreign minister 
said President Dmitry Medvedev will decree which weapons cannot be sold 
to Iran.

Sergey Lavrov earlier said the missiles were not subject to fresh UN 
sanctions.

Russia agreed to supply Iran with S-300 systems several years ago but 
has not delivered them.

Mr Lavrov said on Thursday that a fourth round of sanctions imposed by 
the UN Security Council this week would not affect Russia's contract to 
supply Iran with the missiles.

But on Friday he said: "According to our practice, the UN Security 
Council resolution is implemented through decrees issued by the Russian 
president. A decree to this effect will be prepared."

Correspondents say a flurry of statements by officials on Friday suggest 
Moscow is changing tack on the missile deal.
Iran 'unhappy'

President Sarkozy's office said on Friday Mr Putin had confirmed Russia 
would shelve the delivery.

A spokesman for Mr Sarkozy quoted the Russian leader as saying Iran was 
"very unhappy" and wanted to impose penalties on Moscow.

Mr Sarkozy praised the Russian leadership for supporting the sanctions 
during a meeting with Mr Putin at the Elysee place.
Continue reading the main story UN Security Council members vote on Iran 
sanctions in New York on 9 June 2010 New Iran sanctions 'not the last' 
Mystery of Iran nuclear scientist New Iranian 'entities' sanctioned

"It is an extremely courageous measure that will cost Russia a lot," he 
told Mr Putin, according to the spokesman.

Military experts say the S-300 systems could enhance Iran's defence of 
its nuclear facilities against attack from the air.

The White House acknowledged on Thursday that the latest sanctions did 
not explicitly ban the S-300 sale to Iran, but it welcomed Russia's 
"restraint" in not delivering them.

"Russia has exercised responsibility, restraint and has not delivered 
those missiles to Iran," state department spokesman Philip Crowley said.

Iran insists its nuclear enrichment programme is for peaceful purposes, 
but a number of Western countries suspect it of trying to build nuclear 
weapons.

The UN Security Council voted by 12 votes to two in favour of fresh 
sanctions on Wednesday. Brazil and Turkey voted against, while Lebanon 
abstained.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has denounced the new UN 
resolutions saying they were like a "used handkerchief which should be 
thrown in the dustbin. They are not capable of hurting Iranians".

Mr Lavrov said on Thursday that Moscow is discussing building nuclear 
reactors in Iran in addition to the Bushehr site, due to open in August 
after years of delay.


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[Marxism] The Price Unpaid

[Louis Proyect]

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What Did Our Trillion Dollars Buy?

Three Wars Uncompleted, the Price Unpaid

By VIJAY PRASHAD


 “Let contradictions prevail! Let one thing contradict another! And 
let one line of my poems contradict another!”


 -- Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass.


On May 30, at 10:06am, the United States exchequer turned over its 
trillionth dollar to the U. S. armed forces for the wars in Iraq and 
Afghanistan. A trillion dollars is a lot of money. As my friends at the 
National Priorities Project put it, if I made a $1 million a year, it 
would take me a million years to earn a trillion dollars. The U. S. 
government expended the same amount in nine years, fighting two wars. So 
what did our trillion tax dollars buy?

  The best way to answer this question is to see if the U. S. government 
was able to attain its war aims in each theatre. But what are the war 
aims? These are unclear. Albeit a democracy, the United States 
government has been chary with its intentions. Of such silences are 
conspiracies made. The bilious Daniel Patrick Moynihan once wrote that 
most of what is classified by the government is meaningless (Secrecy, 
1999). Much of it is already in the public domain. War aims are not 
hidden because they are secret. Most of the time they are unarticulated 
because the wars themselves are embarrassingly tied to certain limited 
class needs: power and resources lead the pack. Patriotism is much 
easier as social glue than patrimonial entitlement.

For more, see http://www.counterpunch.org/prashad06112010.html


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[Marxism] Daniel Ellsberg on the hunt for Julian Assange

[Louis Proyect]

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-06-11/daniel-ellsberg-wikileaks-julian-assange-in-danger/p/

'Assange Is in Some Danger'
by Samuel P. Jacobs
June 11, 2010 | 2:30pm

As feds hunt for Wikileaks’ Julian Assange in hopes of preventing him 
from publishing diplomatic secrets, Samuel P. Jacobs talks with Pentagon 
Papers whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg about why he should stay out of 
America—and why some things should be kept secret.

Government officials tell The Daily Beast that they are searching for 
Julian Assange, the founder of Wikileaks, whom they believe is in 
possession of State Department secrets leaked to him by an Army 
intelligence specialist now under arrest. As Assange, the Australian 
champion of whistleblowers cancelled a public appearance in Las Vegas 
Friday night, The Daily Beast talked with Daniel Ellsberg, the legendary 
leaker of the Pentagon Papers about Assange’s safety and what he would 
do if he were in possession of the State Department’s confidential 
traffic. Since standing trial for providing state secrets to 
newspapers—he was acquitted in 1973—Ellsberg has become an author and 
activist.

Having read a hell of a lot of diplomatic cables, I would confidently 
make the judgment that very little, less than one percent, one percent 
perhaps, can honestly be said to endanger national security.

Q: Could the release of the diplomatic cables said to be in the 
possession of Wikileaks endanger national security?

A: Any serious risk to that national security is extremely low. There 
may be 260,000 diplomatic cables. It’s very hard to think of any of that 
which could be plausibly described as a national security risk. Will it 
embarrass diplomatic relationships? Sure, very likely—all to the good of 
our democratic functioning. The embarrassment would be our awareness 
that we are supporting and facilitating dictators and corrupt and 
murderous governments, and we are quite aware of their nature.

An example would be surrounding a visit of Hamid Karzai to this 
country…where he is given a special audience with the president. We know 
that privately he is seen realistically. We know that because of the 
leak, which I think started out of this investigation. We know that 
because of the leak from Ambassador Eikenberry. He describes him as 
irredeemably corrupt, not an appropriate partner for a pacification 
program, and cannot change.

They would regard this as very embarrassing, [since publicly they’ve 
been] saying, he is a perfectly suitable partner for pacification, 
working on corruption…Ha ha….Bullshit.

Q: Do you think Assange is in danger?

A: I happen to have been the target of a White House hit squad myself. 
On May 3, 1972, a dozen CIA assets from the Bay of Pigs, Cuban émigrés 
were brought up from Miami with orders to “incapacitate me totally.” I 
said to the prosecutor, “What does that mean? Kill me.” He said, “It 
means to incapacitate you totally. But you have to understand these guys 
never use the word ‘kill.’”

Q: Is the Obama White House anymore enlightened than Nixon’s?

A: We’ve now been told by Dennis Blair, the late head of intelligence 
here, that President Obama has authorized the killing of American 
citizens overseas, who are suspected of involvement in terrorism. 
Assange is not American, so he doesn’t even have that constraint. I 
would think that he is in some danger. Granted, I would think that his 
notoriety now would provide him some degree of protection. You would 
think that would protect him, but you could have said the same thing 
about me. I was the number one defendant. I was on trail but they 
brought up people to beat me up.

Q: You believe he is in danger of bodily harm, then?

A: Absolutely. On the same basis, I was….Obama is now proclaiming rights 
of life and death, being judge, jury, and executioner of Americans 
without due process. No president has ever claimed that and possibly no 
one since John the First.

Q: What advice would you give Assange?

A: Stay out of the U.S. Otherwise, keep doing what he is doing. It’s 
pretty valuable…He is serving our democracy and serving our rule of law 
precisely by challenging the secrecy regulations, which are not laws in 
most cases, in this country.

He is doing very good work for our democracy. If [the alleged leaker, 
Bradley Manning] has done what he is alleged to have done, I 
congratulate him. He has used his opportunities very well. He has upheld 
his oath of office to support the Constitution. It so happens that 
enlisted men also take an oath to obey the orders of superiors. Officers 
don’t make that oath, only to the Constitution. But sometimes the oath 
to the Constitution and oath to superiors are in conflict.

Q: Assange has taken the position that all informa

[Marxism] Obama escalates repression against leakers

[Louis Proyect]

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NY Times June 11, 2010
Obama Takes a Hard Line Against Leaks to Press
By SCOTT SHANE

WASHINGTON — Hired in 2001 by the National Security Agency to help it 
catch up with the e-mail and cellphone revolution, Thomas A. Drake 
became convinced that the government’s eavesdroppers were squandering 
hundreds of millions of dollars on failed programs while ignoring a 
promising alternative.

He took his concerns everywhere inside the secret world: to his bosses, 
to the agency’s inspector general, to the Defense Department’s inspector 
general and to the Congressional intelligence committees. But he felt 
his message was not getting through.

So he contacted a reporter for The Baltimore Sun.

Today, because of that decision, Mr. Drake, 53, a veteran intelligence 
bureaucrat who collected early computers, faces years in prison on 10 
felony charges involving the mishandling of classified information and 
obstruction of justice.

The indictment of Mr. Drake was the latest evidence that the Obama 
administration is proving more aggressive than the Bush administration 
in seeking to punish unauthorized leaks.

In 17 months in office, President Obama has already outdone every 
previous president in pursuing leak prosecutions. His administration has 
taken actions that might have provoked sharp political criticism for his 
predecessor, George W. Bush, who was often in public fights with the press.

Mr. Drake was charged in April; in May, an F.B.I. translator was 
sentenced to 20 months in prison for providing classified documents to a 
blogger; this week, the Pentagon confirmed the arrest of a 22-year-old 
Army intelligence analyst suspected of passing a classified video of an 
American military helicopter shooting Baghdad civilians to the Web site 
Wikileaks.org.

Meanwhile, the Justice Department has renewed a subpoena in a case 
involving an alleged leak of classified information on a bungled attempt 
to disrupt Iran’s nuclear program that was described in “State of War,” 
a 2006 book by James Risen. The author is a reporter for The New York 
Times. And several press disclosures since Mr. Obama took office have 
been referred to the Justice Department for investigation, officials 
said, though it is uncertain whether they will result in criminal cases.

As secret programs proliferated after the 2001 terrorist attacks, Bush 
administration officials, led by Vice President Dick Cheney, were 
outspoken in denouncing press disclosures about the C.I.A.’s secret 
prisons and brutal interrogation techniques, and the security agency’s 
eavesdropping inside the United States without warrants.

In fact, Mr. Drake initially drew the attention of investigators because 
the government believed he might have been a source for the December 
2005 article in The Times that revealed the wiretapping program.

Describing for the first time the scale of the Bush administration’s 
hunt for the sources of The Times article, former officials say 5 
prosecutors and 25 F.B.I. agents were assigned to the case. The homes of 
three other security agency employees and a Congressional aide were 
searched before investigators raided Mr. Drake’s suburban house in 
November 2007. By then, a series of articles by Siobhan Gorman in The 
Baltimore Sun had quoted N.S.A. insiders about the agency’s 
billion-dollar struggles to remake its lagging technology, and panicky 
intelligence bosses spoke of a “culture of leaking.”

Though the inquiries began under President Bush, it has fallen to Mr. 
Obama and his attorney general, Eric H. Holder Jr., to decide whether to 
prosecute. They have shown no hesitation, even though Mr. Drake is not 
accused of disclosing the N.S.A.’s most contentious program, that of 
eavesdropping without warrants.

The Drake case epitomizes the politically charged debate over secrecy 
and democracy in a capital where the watchdog press is an institution 
even older than the spy bureaucracy, and where every White House makes 
its own calculated disclosures of classified information to reporters.

Steven Aftergood, head of the project on government secrecy at the 
Federation of American Scientists, who has long tracked the uneasy 
commerce in secrets between government officials and the press, said Mr. 
Drake might have fallen afoul of a bipartisan sense in recent years that 
leaks have gotten out of hand and need to be deterred. By several 
accounts, Mr. Obama has been outraged by some leaks, too.

“I think this administration, like every other administration, is driven 
to distraction by leaking,” Mr. Aftergood said. “And Congress wants a 
few scalps, too. On a bipartisan basis, they want these prosecutions to 
proceed.”

Though he is charged under the Espionage Act, Mr. Drake appears to be a 
classic whistle-blower whos

[Marxism] Joan Hinton, Physicist Who Chose China Over Atom Bomb, Is Dead at 88

[Louis Proyect]

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NY Times June 11, 2010
Joan Hinton, Physicist Who Chose China Over Atom Bomb, Is Dead at 88
By WILLIAM GRIMES

Joan Hinton, a physicist who worked on the Manhattan Project, which 
developed the atom bomb, but spent most of her life as a committed 
Maoist working on dairy farms in China, died on Tuesday in Beijing. She 
was 88.

The cause has not yet been determined, but she had an abdominal 
aneurysm, her son Bill Engst said.

Ms. Hinton was recruited for the Manhattan Project in February 1944 
while still a graduate student in physics at the University of 
Wisconsin. At the secret laboratory at Los Alamos, N.M., where she 
worked with Enrico Fermi, she was assigned to a team that built two 
reactors for testing enriched uranium and plutonium.

When the first atom bomb was detonated near Alamogordo, N.M., on July 
16, 1945, she and a colleague, riding a motorcycle, dodged Army jeep 
patrols and hid near a small hill about 25 miles from the blast point to 
witness the event.

“We first felt the heat on our faces, then we saw what looked like a sea 
of light,” she told The South China Morning Post in 2008. “It was 
gradually sucked into an awful purple glow that went up and up into a 
mushroom cloud. It looked beautiful as it lit up the morning sun.”

Ms. Hinton thought that the bomb would be used for a demonstration 
explosion to force a Japanese surrender. After the bombings of Hiroshima 
and Nagasaki, she became an outspoken peace activist. She sent the 
mayors of every major city in the United States a small glass case 
filled with glassified desert sand and a note asking whether they wanted 
their cities to suffer the same fate.

In 1948, alarmed at the emerging cold war, she gave up physics and left 
the United States for China, then in the throes of a Communist 
revolution she wholeheartedly admired. “I did not want to spend my life 
figuring out how to kill people,” she told National Public Radio in 
2002. “I wanted to figure out how to let people have a better life, not 
a worse life.”

In China she met her future husband, Erwin Engst, a Cornell-trained 
dairy-cattle expert, who went on to work on dairy farms as a breeder 
while she designed and built machinery. During the Cultural Revolution, 
they were editors and translators in Beijing.

Ms. Hinton applied her scientific talents to perfecting a 
continuous-flow automatic milk pasteurizer and other machines. For the 
past 40 years, she worked on a dairy farm and an agricultural station 
outside Beijing, tending a herd of about 200 cows.

Joan Chase Hinton was born on Oct. 20, 1921, in Chicago. Her father, 
Sebastian Hinton, was a patent lawyer who invented the jungle gym in 
1920. Her mother, Carmelita Chase Hinton, founded the Putney School, a 
progressive coeducational secondary school in Putney, Vt., which Joan 
attended and where she excelled as a skier, qualifying for the United 
States Olympic Team that would have competed in the 1940 games had they 
not been canceled.

After earning a bachelor’s degree in natural science from Bennington 
College in 1942, she enrolled at the University of Wisconsin, where she 
earned a doctorate in physics in 1944.

At Los Alamos, teams were assigned to theoretical and practical work. 
Ms. Hinton, assigned to practical work, piled beryllium blocks around 
the core of the site’s first reactor and constructed electronic circuits 
for the counters.

According to Ruth H. Howes and Caroline L. Herzenberg, the authors of 
“Their Day in the Sun: Women of the Manhattan Project,” she then helped 
design and construct the control rods for a second reactor.

In her spare time, she played violin in a string quartet whose members 
included the physicists Edward Teller and Otto Frisch.

After the war she studied with Mr. Fermi as a fellow at the Institute 
for Nuclear Studies at the University of Chicago and then left for 
China, where she met and married Mr. Engst, who had been in the country 
since 1946 teaching agriculture and dairy-herd management.

Mr. Engst died in 2003. In addition to her son Bill, of Marlboro, N.J., 
she is survived by another son, Fred Engst of Beijing; a daughter, Karen 
Engst of Pau, France; and four grandchildren.

During the McCarthy era, Ms. Hinton’s name surfaced as a possible spy 
and spiller of nuclear secrets after she spoke at a peace conference in 
Beijing. Rear Adm. Ellis M. Zacharias denounced her in a 1953 article 
for Real magazine titled “The Atom Spy Who Got Away.”

An illustration depicted her as a furtive blonde in a trench coat, 
taking notes as she observed a nuclear test. There was never any 
evidence to show that Ms. Hinton passed secrets or did any work as a 
physicist in China.

She and her husband remained true believers in the Maoist cause.

“It would have be

Re: [Marxism] Turks know the difference between Jews and Zionists

[S. Artesian]

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In the spirit of non-confrontation,  I'll just point out that the 
interviewee makes the point that there is no special relationship, no 
special need, but sometimes that non-specialty needs reiteration:

"..Do you feel a responsibility to speak in such situations?

I don't think that the citizen to be consulted about the deeds of Israel has 
to be Jewish, as you also imply in your question. Expecting that a Jewish 
citizen will think differently from an Assyrian, Moslem or Zoroastrian 
citizen in the face of the savagery used by Israel is only a result of 
thinking that all Jews have a special relationship with Israel. I don't have 
any relationship with Israel. As a result I sometimes get very upset when 
asked for my opinion. But again, I'm not stupid; I know what is expected and 
I can see why. Even though I get upset I do meet this situation with 
understanding.

...Even though we know your thoughts and feelings on Israeli policies, 
already expressed in speech and writing, does the need still arise to state 
again that you are "another kind of Jew"?

No, there is no such need because the newspapers or TV channels which call 
me know, more or less, what I am going to say. But yes, I do feel a 
responsibility. I think it's good to remind readers and viewers: Not all 
Jews are Israelis, they do not even necessarily support Israel. In the West 
there is no particular need to do this because everybody is aware of it; 
there are many anti-Zionist Jews there, well known to the public. In Turkey, 
however, the border between enmity to Israel and enmity to Jews can 
sometimes get blurred; it becomes more urgent to redraw that border and make 
it appear clearly..."



Eli and Nestor argue that there is indeed a special relationship and a 
special need, which reminds me of my dear departed mother, her of the 
machine gun/typewriter sending high-muzzle velocity letters to various 
editors, stating that "Jews have to be extra careful, extra honest, extra 
good, extra better" because the world is just looking for an excuse to "hate 
us."

It's like arguing Jews have a special obligation to denounce Lehman 
Brothers,  Goldman Sachs because of their origins as Jewish merchant banks.

Ah yes, if only WASPS felt any special need to denounce Merrill Lynch, 
Moody's,  Morgan... etc.

To her credit, I know she would have chased down Bernie Madoff with a 
baseball bat.  Hell, she chased me with one once just for spilling some 
paint. "The carpet!  MY carpet!"

And to her credit, she was an atheist, with a hedge, [not edge]:  "I don't 
believe in god," she told me on her deathbed, "but if there is one, he's 
going to get a piece of my mind."








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[Marxism] Juan Cole blasts Senator Schumer

[Louis Proyect]

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http://www.juancole.com/2010/06/schumers-sippenhaftung-and-the-children-of-gaza.html


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[Marxism] Alex Kane, "Turkey: Media's Latest Target for Terrorist-Baiting"

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http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2010/kane110610.html


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[Marxism] Israel’s Greatest Loss: Its Moral Imagination by Henry Siegman [Haaretz]

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Hi all, perhaps the most amazing piece on the Gaza massacre -- 
particularly given the source. Henry Siegman was for years director of 
the American Jewish Congress, and one of the most influential leaders of 
the US pro-Israel movement.

For Henry Siegman to compare Israeli policies to those of the Nazis, 
even though he appropriately recognizes they are not identical, is 
stunning. We should get this around to every member of Congress.

Phyllis Bennis
*
Israel’s Greatest Loss: Its Moral Imagination
*/If a people who so recently experienced such unspeakable inhumanities 
cannot understand the injustice and suffering its territorial ambitions 
are inflicting, what hope is there for the rest of us?
/By Henry Siegman
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/israel-s-greatest-loss-its-moral-imagination-1.295600
 




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[Marxism] new blog post: down along the coast, part 2

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Full at 
http://blog.cheapmotelsandahotplate.org/2010/06/11/down-along-the-coast-part-2/
 
"At about the midpoint between Montera and Pigeon Point is the town of Half 
Moon Bay. Settled by Italian and Portuguese farmers and fishermen, it is now 
aimed at tourists, as is almost every town and small city anywhere near any 
natural attraction, or for that matter, with anything at all that can be hyped 
to the gullible. This can’t work for every town, just as every country can’t 
prosper by exporting goods and services alone. Half Moon Bay has managed to 
keep its downtown intact, and this alone makes it worth a visit. We did our 
laundry there, and we saw something common nearly everywhere in the country. 
Mexican men doing their laundry. Their wives and children are in Mexico; they 
are here, working or looking for jobs. On the corner, Mexican men congregated, 
shooting the breeze, while the white tourists cast wary eyes. In a bakery, an 
Anglo customer gruffly chastises the brown-skinned cashier for an error that 
turns out to be his."
 
michael yates 

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[Marxism] New post: Exciting News! A Challenge In The UAW

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New post: Exciting News! A Challenge In The UAW

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Re: [Marxism] Obama's right-wing school reform

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It occurss to me that this is a potentially explosive issue. If a
substantial core of teachers & parents seriously launched opposition . .
. . 

Carrol


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[Marxism] review of a book I wrote

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My ego has gotten the best of me.  This review of In and Out of the Working 
Class
is so remarkably positive and insightful that I had to share it: 
http://www.socialiststudies.com/index.php/sss/article/viewFile/126/116
 
michael yates 

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[Marxism] CORE caucus wins runoff for leadership of the Chicago Teachers Union

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Folks may find this interesting, especially in connection with the article
Louis sent out earlier today:
http://www.substancenews.net/articles.php?page=1472§ion=Article.
Chicago has served as the testing ground for US education policy since the
80s, and because of this a challenge to privatization
and teacher-vilification originating in Chicago may resonate nationally. The
results of the CTU election are a significant victory, if only a first
step, in the fight against the neoliberal program for education "reform."
CTU is Chicago's largest union.

Socialist Worker articles on CORE and the CTU:
http://socialistworker.org/2010/05/17/will-the-ctu-oust-its-leaders
http://socialistworker.org/2010/05/26/chicago-teachers-challenge-cuts (5,000+
person rally; extremely energetic. Cops didn't expect that many and we took
over one of the main streets downtown for a few hours)
http://socialistworker.org/2010/06/08/challenges-facing-the-ctu

The new vice-president of the union will be speaking as part of a panel on
attacks on public education at Socialism 2010 in Chicago. Here is the
facebook event: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=124442624259167. Here
is the web page for the conference: www.socialismconference.org.

The latest ISR features a few articles on the crisis in public education.
Gillian Russom's article on Obama's program is quite comprehensive:
http://www.isreview.org/issues/71/feat-neoliberaleducation.shtml

Solidarity,

Jon K.

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[Marxism] The FBI knocked on my door

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fct4LIODoM


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Re: [Marxism] The FBI knocked on my door

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Louis Proyect  writes:

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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fct4LIODoM

Another private one, Louis.

-- 
In Solidarity,
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[Marxism] Leading Democrat Schumer Supports Nazi-like Collective Punishment for Gaza -

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Leading Democrat Schumer Supports Nazi-like Collective Punishment for Gaza -
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/06/12/schumer/index.html

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Re: [Marxism] The FBI knocked on my door

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I don't see how that's possible since it's not his video, worked
perfectly fine on my end.

On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Bill O'Connor  wrote:

>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fct4LIODoM
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Re: [Marxism] The FBI knocked on my door

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Bhaskar Sunkara  writes:

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> I don't see how that's possible since it's not his video, worked
> perfectly fine on my end.

How strange, I've tried it on 3 computers with 3 different youtube
accounts.  

-- 
In Solidarity,
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Re: [Marxism] The FBI knocked on my door

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Bill O'Connor wrote:

>> I don't see how that's possible since it's not his video, worked
>> perfectly fine on my end.
> 
> How strange, I've tried it on 3 computers with 3 different youtube
> accounts.  
> 

Something weird is going on. I had no problem watching it earlier. Maybe 
it has something to do with its counterattack against the FBI by an 
Austin mother of 5 who video'd the 2 agents asking her about 
anti-Zionist protests becoming violent. I'm removing it until it can be 
seen again.



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Re: [Marxism] The FBI knocked on my door

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Louis Proyect wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fct4LIODoM
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It's public again, at least for the time being.


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Re: [Marxism] The FBI knocked on my door

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Louis Proyect wrote:
> 
> Maybe
> it has something to do with its counterattack against the FBI by an
> Austin mother of 5 who video'd the 2 agents asking her about
> anti-Zionist protests becoming violent. I'm removing it until it can be
> seen again.
> 

Sound's interesting, and I gather those who have seen it think it was
well done and she came off well. Clever of her.

BUT -- as a rule, it doesn't pay to be clever with the FBI. The best
response is to order them out of the house. They can make use of clever
repartee with them.

Two agents called on me once -- later I realized they weren't calling on
Carrol Cox, activist; the agents calling had probably never heard of me.
They were calling on Carrol Cox, parent of a daughter who had gone to
Cuba on the Venceremos Brigade. My daughter woke me up one Saturday
mroning, somewhat excitedly. to say two men wanted to speak to me. I had
to piss, she fussed a bit, that made irritared to begin with by the time
I got downstairs. One of them pulls out his ID and said they wanted to
talk to me. I said, "Am I under arrest." He looked a bit puzzled but
said, No. "You may go" I said, and they left. Had I not been rudely
awakened & suffering from morning irritation I might or might not have
acted so simply -- but I really think something like that is the best
respnse to the FBI (or for that matter, local cvops).

Carrol


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Re: [Marxism] The FBI knocked on my door

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Yep, you are exactly right Carrol.

The woman in the video made some mistakes, she confirmed she is a part of an
organize, confirmed that she protests, and then refused to answer the
question of property destruction. Would have been much better to simply say
nothing at all.

M.

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> Louis Proyect wrote:
> >
> > Maybe
> > it has something to do with its counterattack against the FBI by an
> > Austin mother of 5 who video'd the 2 agents asking her about
> > anti-Zionist protests becoming violent. I'm removing it until it can be
> > seen again.
> >
>
> Sound's interesting, and I gather those who have seen it think it was
> well done and she came off well. Clever of her.
>
> BUT -- as a rule, it doesn't pay to be clever with the FBI. The best
> response is to order them out of the house. They can make use of clever
> repartee with them.
>
> Two agents called on me once -- later I realized they weren't calling on
> Carrol Cox, activist; the agents calling had probably never heard of me.
> They were calling on Carrol Cox, parent of a daughter who had gone to
> Cuba on the Venceremos Brigade. My daughter woke me up one Saturday
> mroning, somewhat excitedly. to say two men wanted to speak to me. I had
> to piss, she fussed a bit, that made irritared to begin with by the time
> I got downstairs. One of them pulls out his ID and said they wanted to
> talk to me. I said, "Am I under arrest." He looked a bit puzzled but
> said, No. "You may go" I said, and they left. Had I not been rudely
> awakened & suffering from morning irritation I might or might not have
> acted so simply -- but I really think something like that is the best
> respnse to the FBI (or for that matter, local cvops).
>
> Carrol
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Re: [Marxism] The FBI knocked on my door

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Mikhail Rodsky wrote:
> Yep, you are exactly right Carrol.
> 
> The woman in the video made some mistakes, she confirmed she is a part of an
> organize, confirmed that she protests, and then refused to answer the
> question of property destruction. Would have been much better to simply say
> nothing at all.

I tend to agree with Mikhail and Carrol but it is gripping video.



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Re: [Marxism] The FBI knocked on my door

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On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 18:49:53 -0400 Louis Proyect  writes:
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> 
> Mikhail Rodsky wrote:
> > Yep, you are exactly right Carrol.
> > 
> > The woman in the video made some mistakes, she confirmed she is a 
> part of an
> > organize, confirmed that she protests, and then refused to answer 
> the
> > question of property destruction. Would have been much better to 
> simply say
> > nothing at all.
> 
> I tend to agree with Mikhail and Carrol but it is gripping video.

It was a gripping video but she did give the FBI agents too much
information.  Once you start answering their questions, you can
get yourself into a legal bind where they might be able to
compel you to answer other questions that you may not wish
to answer.  She should, like Carrol did, ask them if she
was under arrest, then when they would reply no,
she should have then told them, politely but firmly that
she had nothing more to say to them.
 
 
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[Marxism] query Paris Commune

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I'm trying to find material on:

1) the military strength of the Paris Commune;

2) how it was organized, and;

3) how that organization may or may not have changed over the course
of its history.

Most of what I've read on this (including in the available French
sources) are remarkably uninformative.  I wonder if the information
even exists.  But knowing that many on this list are probably more
well-read on this subject than I am, I figured I'd ask if anyone has
seen anything on this...

Any help would be appreciated.

ML


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Re: [Marxism] query Paris Commune

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Mark,

Please don't be offended if I'm telling you things you already know all too 
well, none is meant and I am by no means an expert.  If you haven't already 
seen it , the map on page 305 of the MECW Vol. 22 has an excellent map of the 
Commune has some military information. Lissagay's later chapter of his history 
give a good sense of the military situation if not an analysis.  I seem to 
remember in some later Engel's letters him giving something of a pretty 
thorough breakdown, but can't remember who to or when (after the IInd some time 
though).  From an extensive bibliography in a book on the period I find some of 
these referenced: A book by Robert Tombs, The War Against Paris, 1871 
(Cambridge, 1981) is said to be
principally an analysis of the military campaign, but I have no idea of it's 
sympathies though Cambridge is a University Press (for whatever that is worth) 
so one might expect, at least some facts and figures.
Alistair Horne, The Fall of Paris; the Siege and the Commune, 1870-71
 (Bungay, 1965; many re-prints) is also said to concentrate on the on the 
military, but as a side show to the F-P war. "Multiple Networks and 
Mobilization in the Paris Commune, 1871"  by Roger V. Gould  from  American 
Sociological Review, Vol. 56, No. 6 (Dec., 1991), pp. 716-729 has a lot to say 
about the way the Guard operated. Paris Under the Commune by John Leighton is 
now on Project Guttenberg and has a ton on the inter-military struggle in the 
commune, occasionally spotty information, and without much analysis. 
 
There are some primary documents like the one below on the MIA:  Don't know if 
any of this helps.  Matt

The Barricades CommissionCITIZENS:
In order to confront all eventualities a Barricades Commission was 
officially constituted as soon as the enemy appeared at the walls of 
Paris.

The Commission immediately set to work. It fortified the interior 
approaches of Paris and determined the points at which barricades should
 be put up in case of an attack.

The role of the Barricades Commission was restricted to these 
operations as long as the Prussians limited themselves to investing 
Paris.

Now that the enemy seems prepared to go on the offensive, the 
Barricades Commission must perform other duties. As improbable as would 
be the success of an attempt on our ramparts, it is important that we 
avoid any surprise and take all necessary precautions in advance. It is 
important that everyone know this: behind the walls protected by the 
courage of the army and the mobilized National Guard; behind the walls 
guarded by the constancy of the sitting National Guard, the Prussians 
will yet meet the indomitable resistance of the Parisian barricades.

Consequently, it seems appropriate to the Barricades Commission to 
appeal to the patriotism of all and to invite every home, as a measure 
of protection, to IMMEDIATELY prepare two bags of earth which will be 
delivered at the first notice of the Commission and which will serve, 
along with paving stones to cover Paris with barricades within a few 
hours or to repair breaches.

Each bag of earth should be 70 centimeters long and 35 centimeters 
wide so that it can be easily transported. The tissue can be simple and 
the price low (65 centimes at most) for those citizens who don’t prefer 
to manufacture them themselves.

In the present circumstances it is our duty to be ready for all 
eventualities and to ensure ourselves against the unknown. The people 
know that in the members of the barricades Commission it has men decided
 to defend Paris foot by foot, to never surrender to the enemy of our 
fatherland that citadel of right and republican liberty!

THE MEMBERS OF THE BARRICADES COMMISSION:

Henri Rochefort, president; Jules Bastide, 
vice-president;

V. Schoelcher; Albert, member of the Provisional Government of 1848; 
Martin-Bernard; Charles Floquet; A. Dreo; Cournet. Matt

  
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