Re: [Marxism] [microsound] Liberal disgust with Obama

2010-01-21 Thread New Tet
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S. Artesian wrote:
 
 
 No personal offense intended, but who gives a rat's ass about what
 liberals 
 think of Obama?  Positive, negative-- same-same
 [...]
 

I do. And I try to compare the language of their own expectations and
disappointments against mine.

In trying to explain to a YouTube friend why I was determined to vote for
Obama after nearly twenty years of abstention, I wrote, ...at the very
least,
I'd like to see proven once and for all time that in the U.S. a black person
is
just as capable of fucking up as any other person in the White House.

I hope that for every disappointed Obama supporter that turns reactionary or
extremist another is produced whose disillusion leads them to more radical
thinking and acting.

BTW, what's up with the card-check bill? Is that dead as well? Was it riding
on the health care fiasco?
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Re: [Marxism] [microsound] Liberal disgust with Obama

2010-01-21 Thread New Tet
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S. Artesian wrote:
 
 To New Tet:
 
 You voted for Obama just to show that a black US man could fuck-up just
 like a white US man?  I understand the sentiment, but it's only that-- a
 sentiment, an indulgence.

Yes, indeed; that's why I said at the very least.


Let me ask you how's that working out for you?  Do you think you've
 accomplished the goal, and we have a black man who has proven himself
 capable of fucking up as much as a white man?  And exactly what will that,
 has that accomplished?  You HOPE there will be a zero-sum effect?  That
 for
 every reactionary, we get a radical?  Doesn't work that way, comrade, not
 even a little bit.  If it did, the revolution would have taken place a
 long
 time ago.

Okay, how about half a radical for every liberal renegade that Obama
produces?
Sound better?

My ruminations on this matter are purely speculative, that's why I wrote I
hope.


How's that working out for the working class as
 a whole?  Would you recommend doing it again-- I mean after all there have
 been a lot more white US men fucking up in the White House than our
 first and only so far black US man-- not to mention all the white women,
 black women, Hispanic men, Hispanic women,  gay white men, gay black men,
 gay black women, gay white women that might demand equal time in the White
 House, and  make equal claims on your vote?

It's been done, I think. Many capitalist governments throughout the world
already enlist the aid of an enormously diverse population at almost every
level (especially here in the U.S.) and look how fucked up their economic
system is!

In my mind, the presidency, as a government job, is special, though. Unlike
most other elected and non-elected government posts it is surrounded by an
almost mythic aura created, I suppose, by able propagandists and kept alive
by popular ignorance and gullibility.

The point of my speculation that a black president could do no better that
all
the white ones that preceded him/her 


Isn't all you are really doing is playing a variation on the old Let's make
 it worse, so it has to get better  ploy?

I hadn't thought of it that way but, since you mention it, let me say that
as long
as revolutionary ideas remain the exclusive intellectual possession of a
tiny minority
of workers and their allies, I'll continue to believe that sometimes things
have to
get worse before they get better. 


Card check was dead months ago.

Okay, thanks.

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