Re: [Matplotlib-users] Unicode characters in PS output

[Thomas Sprinzing]

Am 28.02.2013 um 14:31 schrieb Pierre Haessig:

> Hi Thomas,
> 
> Le 27/02/2013 20:59, Thomas Sprinzing a écrit :
>> To sum it up: use the old 7-bit equivalent for the degree sign, not any 
>> fancydancy UTF-8 character that is commonly not included in ye olde style 
>> postscript standard font embedded into your laser printer wy back then 
>> in the last millenium... 
> Just out of curiosity, I looked at the list of ASCII printable
> characters
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCII#ASCII_printable_characters) and
> didn't find the degree sign. However, I found it in the so-called "8
> bits extensions", which I believe is just the same as the Unicode U+00B0

confirmed by looking at
http://www.adobe.com/type/browser/info/charsets.html

Adobe western 2 has the same info.

Alt-0179 or U+00B0

So, best is to use the degree sign.

If you're not sure, what's present at rendering time, maybe try to force the 
generator to convert fonts to ps paths. 
But i donÄt know if matplotlib has tat optin at all...
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Re: [Matplotlib-users] Unicode characters in PS output

[Gökhan Sever]

Okay, fair enough.

But do you have any ideas, how to force the PS creator to use a different
font?

Say -> font Times-Bold


On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Thomas Sprinzing <
sprinz...@hdm-stuttgart.de> wrote:

> I'd say it's got nearly nothing to do with matplotlib.
>
> The question is: will the font be included in the .ps and in the .pdf?
>
> If not, which is most likely, it's upon the renderer to decide what to do
> if the requested glyph in the requested font is present or not in the
> system.
>
> pdf is more likely to have the fonts / glyphs used also embeded in the
> pdf. One reason for them to be bigger than .ps. Ps, on the other hand, most
> of the times relys on the renderer to have the exact same font, referenced
> by name, pre-loaded in the system. Go figure.
>
> To sum it up: use the old 7-bit equivalent for the degree sign, not any
> fancydancy UTF-8 character that is commonly not included in ye olde style
> postscript standard font embedded into your laser printer wy back then
> in the last millenium...
>
> Am 26.02.2013 um 21:26 schrieb Gökhan Sever:
>
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Pierre Haessig <
> pierre.haes...@crans.org> wrote:
> > Le 26/02/2013 14:38, Gökhan Sever a écrit :
> >>
> >> Could you test my outputs if they look fine on your side?
> >>
> >> http://atmos.uwyo.edu/~gsever/data/matplotlib/test.pdf
> >> http://atmos.uwyo.edu/~gsever/data/matplotlib/test.ps
> >>
> > Good idea !
> >
> > * your PDF file looks fine with Okular
> > * your PS indeed has the problem you describe (again Okular) :
> >   - "°" (degree sign) is fine
> >   - but "⁰" (zero superscript) is replaced by "?"
> >
> > In case it may explain the difference : I'm using mpl 1.1.1rc2 from
> Debian testing
> > and I have the following line in my matplotlibrc (is it relevant ???)
> >
> > font.sans-serif : DejaVu Sans, sans-serif
> >
> > Best,
> > Pierre
> >
> > My matplotlib is a git clone of a couple weeks old.
> >
> > There is this line in the PS file (opening via vim)
> >
> > %%BeginResource: font KDYSTE+NewCenturySchlbk-Roman
> >
> > don't know where it gets this.
> >
> > #font.serif   : DejaVu Serif, Bitstream Vera Serif, New Century
> Schoolbook, Century Schoolbook L, Utopia, ITC Bookman, Bookman, Nimbus
> Roman No9 L, Times New Roman, Times, Palatino, Charter, serif
> > font.sans-serif : DejaVu Sans, Bitstream Vera Sans, Lucida Grande,
> Verdana, Geneva, Lucid, Arial, Helvetica, Avant Garde, sans-serif
> >
> > PS uses that even I choose to use fot.sans-serif.
> >
> > Dont see any font specification in the PDF file.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Matplotlib-users] Unicode characters in PS output

[Pierre Haessig]

Hi Thomas,

Le 27/02/2013 20:59, Thomas Sprinzing a écrit :
> To sum it up: use the old 7-bit equivalent for the degree sign, not any 
> fancydancy UTF-8 character that is commonly not included in ye olde style 
> postscript standard font embedded into your laser printer wy back then in 
> the last millenium... 
Just out of curiosity, I looked at the list of ASCII printable
characters
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCII#ASCII_printable_characters) and
didn't find the degree sign. However, I found it in the so-called "8
bits extensions", which I believe is just the same as the Unicode U+00B0
character.

best,
Pierre



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Re: [Matplotlib-users] Unicode characters in PS output

[Thomas Sprinzing]

I'd say it's got nearly nothing to do with matplotlib.

The question is: will the font be included in the .ps and in the .pdf?

If not, which is most likely, it's upon the renderer to decide what to do if 
the requested glyph in the requested font is present or not in the system.

pdf is more likely to have the fonts / glyphs used also embeded in the pdf. One 
reason for them to be bigger than .ps. Ps, on the other hand, most of the times 
relys on the renderer to have the exact same font, referenced by name, 
pre-loaded in the system. Go figure.

To sum it up: use the old 7-bit equivalent for the degree sign, not any 
fancydancy UTF-8 character that is commonly not included in ye olde style 
postscript standard font embedded into your laser printer wy back then in 
the last millenium... 

Am 26.02.2013 um 21:26 schrieb Gökhan Sever:

> 
> 
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Pierre Haessig  
> wrote:
> Le 26/02/2013 14:38, Gökhan Sever a écrit :
>> 
>> Could you test my outputs if they look fine on your side?
>> 
>> http://atmos.uwyo.edu/~gsever/data/matplotlib/test.pdf
>> http://atmos.uwyo.edu/~gsever/data/matplotlib/test.ps
>> 
> Good idea ! 
> 
> * your PDF file looks fine with Okular
> * your PS indeed has the problem you describe (again Okular) :
>   - "°" (degree sign) is fine
>   - but "⁰" (zero superscript) is replaced by "?"
> 
> In case it may explain the difference : I'm using mpl 1.1.1rc2 from Debian 
> testing
> and I have the following line in my matplotlibrc (is it relevant ???)
> 
> font.sans-serif : DejaVu Sans, sans-serif
> 
> Best,
> Pierre
> 
> My matplotlib is a git clone of a couple weeks old. 
> 
> There is this line in the PS file (opening via vim)
> 
> %%BeginResource: font KDYSTE+NewCenturySchlbk-Roman
> 
> don't know where it gets this.
> 
> #font.serif   : DejaVu Serif, Bitstream Vera Serif, New Century 
> Schoolbook, Century Schoolbook L, Utopia, ITC Bookman, Bookman, Nimbus Roman 
> No9 L, Times New Roman, Times, Palatino, Charter, serif
> font.sans-serif : DejaVu Sans, Bitstream Vera Sans, Lucida Grande, 
> Verdana, Geneva, Lucid, Arial, Helvetica, Avant Garde, sans-serif
> 
> PS uses that even I choose to use fot.sans-serif.
> 
> Dont see any font specification in the PDF file.
> 
>  
> 
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Re: [Matplotlib-users] Unicode characters in PS output

[Gökhan Sever]

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Pierre Haessig wrote:

>  Le 26/02/2013 14:38, Gökhan Sever a écrit :
>
>
>  Could you test my outputs if they look fine on your side?
>
>  http://atmos.uwyo.edu/~gsever/data/matplotlib/test.pdf
> http://atmos.uwyo.edu/~gsever/data/matplotlib/test.ps
>
>  Good idea !
>
> * your PDF file looks fine with Okular
> * your PS indeed has the problem you describe (again Okular) :
>   - "°" (degree sign) is fine
>   - but "⁰" (zero superscript) is replaced by "?"
>
> In case it may explain the difference : I'm using mpl 1.1.1rc2 from Debian
> testing
> and I have the following line in my matplotlibrc (is it relevant ???)
>
> font.sans-serif : DejaVu Sans, sans-serif
>
> Best,
> Pierre
>

My matplotlib is a git clone of a couple weeks old.

There is this line in the PS file (opening via vim)

%%BeginResource: font KDYSTE+NewCenturySchlbk-Roman

don't know where it gets this.

#font.serif   : DejaVu Serif, Bitstream Vera Serif, New Century
Schoolbook, Century Schoolbook L, Utopia, ITC Bookman, Bookman, Nimbus
Roman No9 L, Times New Roman, Times, Palatino, Charter, serif
font.sans-serif : DejaVu Sans, Bitstream Vera Sans, Lucida Grande,
Verdana, Geneva, Lucid, Arial, Helvetica, Avant Garde, sans-serif

PS uses that even I choose to use fot.sans-serif.

Dont see any font specification in the PDF file.



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Re: [Matplotlib-users] Unicode characters in PS output

[Pierre Haessig]

Le 26/02/2013 14:38, Gökhan Sever a écrit :
>
> Could you test my outputs if they look fine on your side?
>
> http://atmos.uwyo.edu/~gsever/data/matplotlib/test.pdf
> 
> http://atmos.uwyo.edu/~gsever/data/matplotlib/test.ps
> 
>
Good idea !

* your PDF file looks fine with Okular
* your PS indeed has the problem you describe (again Okular) :
  - "°" (degree sign) is fine
  - but "⁰" (zero superscript) is replaced by "?"

In case it may explain the difference : I'm using mpl 1.1.1rc2 from
Debian testing
and I have the following line in my matplotlibrc (is it relevant ???)

font.sans-serif : DejaVu Sans, sans-serif

Best,
Pierre


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Re: [Matplotlib-users] Unicode characters in PS output

[Gökhan Sever]

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 6:02 AM, Pierre Haessig wrote:

>  Hi,
>
> Le 26/02/2013 12:38, Gökhan Sever a écrit :
>
>  fp = plt.figure(figsize=(8.5, 11))
>> fp.text(0.5, 0.5, u"Temperature, \u00B0C", color='black', fontsize=16)
>>  plt.savefig('test.ps', papertype='letter')
>> plt.savefig('test.pdf', papertype='letter')
>>
>> Just a thought. Hope it helps.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>
>  This works fine. However it is easy to remember a superscript o then its
> code :) By the way, can you select the text within the PS file?
>
>
> I just noticed that you are using here the character U+2070 "superscript
> zero" (⁰) while Ryan's proposition is U+00B0 "degree sign" (°) which I
> think is the correct one to use.
>

> This being said, there should be no difference between using the Unicode
> code and actual "°" character (and I agree it's simpler to remember)
>

You are right, U+00B0 is the right one. I think, I couldn't find a
"superscript o" easily then decided to use superscript zero from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode_subscripts_and_superscripts

However, there is a slight difference in their appearance when I compare
them side by side.

For simplicity, I just use subscript and superscript unicode symbols to
construct simple units.



>
> In [1]: a = u"Temperature, \u00B0C"
> In [2]: a
> Out[2]: u'Temperature, \xb0C'
>
> In [6]: b = u"Temperature °C"
> In [7]: b
> Out[7]: u'Temperature \xb0C'
>
>
> Coming back to your other question, I can't select the text in the PS file
> (using Okular or Evince). (but PDF is selectable)
>
> Also, the PS file renders properly with both "⁰" and "°" signs. (but with
> PDF, the "⁰" is placed to low, while "°" is fine)
>

Could you test my outputs if they look fine on your side?

http://atmos.uwyo.edu/~gsever/data/matplotlib/test.pdf
http://atmos.uwyo.edu/~gsever/data/matplotlib/test.ps

Thanks.


>
> Best,
> Pierre
>
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Re: [Matplotlib-users] Unicode characters in PS output

[Pierre Haessig]

Hi,

Le 26/02/2013 12:38, Gökhan Sever a écrit :
>
> fp = plt.figure(figsize=(8.5, 11))
> fp.text(0.5, 0.5, u"Temperature, \u00B0C", color='black', fontsize=16)
> plt.savefig('test.ps ', papertype='letter')
> plt.savefig('test.pdf', papertype='letter')
>
> Just a thought. Hope it helps.
>
> Ryan
>
>
> This works fine. However it is easy to remember a superscript o then
> its code :) By the way, can you select the text within the PS file? 

I just noticed that you are using here the character U+2070 "superscript
zero" (^(0)) while Ryan's proposition is U+00B0 "degree sign" (°) which
I think is the correct one to use.

This being said, there should be no difference between using the Unicode
code and actual "°" character (and I agree it's simpler to remember)

In [1]: a = u"Temperature, \u00B0C"
In [2]: a
Out[2]: u'Temperature, \xb0C'

In [6]: b = u"Temperature °C"
In [7]: b
Out[7]: u'Temperature \xb0C'


Coming back to your other question, I can't select the text in the PS
file (using Okular or Evince). (but PDF is selectable)

Also, the PS file renders properly with both "^(0)" and "°" signs. (but
with PDF, the "^(0)" is placed to low, while "°" is fine)

Best,
Pierre


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Re: [Matplotlib-users] Unicode characters in PS output

[Gökhan Sever]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:00 PM, Ryan Nelson  wrote:

>  On 2/25/2013 9:29 PM, Gökhan Sever wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>  For some reason, I can't get the degree sign showing up in my ps output:
>
>  Here is the simple test code:
>
>  fp = plt.figure(figsize=(8.5, 11))
> fp.text(0.5, 0.5, u"Temperature, ⁰C", color='black', fontsize=16)
> plt.savefig('test.ps', papertype='letter')
> plt.savefig('test.pdf', papertype='letter')
>
>  PS output shows Temperature, ?C, however PDF renders degree sign
> correctly.
>
>  I can't seem to select the text in PS output, but the text is selectable
> in PDF.
>
>  This is probably a font issue, where PDF uses DejaVu, on the other hand
> PS uses a Times type font.
>
>  So, how can I adjust matplotlib to save in PS file?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>  --
> Gökhan
>
> Gökhan,
>
> I tried your code, and everything worked fine for me. (PythonXY 2.7.3.1 on
> Windows 7)
> However, I usually use the escaped unicode value rather than unicode
> characters directly. Does the following work instead:
>
> fp = plt.figure(figsize=(8.5, 11))
> fp.text(0.5, 0.5, u"Temperature, \u00B0C", color='black', fontsize=16)
> plt.savefig('test.ps', papertype='letter')
> plt.savefig('test.pdf', papertype='letter')
>
> Just a thought. Hope it helps.
>
> Ryan
>

This works fine. However it is easy to remember a superscript o then its
code :) By the way, can you select the text within the PS file?


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Re: [Matplotlib-users] Unicode characters in PS output

[Ryan Nelson]

On 2/25/2013 9:29 PM, Gökhan Sever wrote:

Hello,

For some reason, I can't get the degree sign showing up in my ps output:

Here is the simple test code:

fp = plt.figure(figsize=(8.5, 11))
fp.text(0.5, 0.5, u"Temperature, ^(0)C", color='black', fontsize=16)
plt.savefig('test.ps ', papertype='letter')
plt.savefig('test.pdf', papertype='letter')

PS output shows Temperature, ?C, however PDF renders degree sign 
correctly.


I can't seem to select the text in PS output, but the text is 
selectable in PDF.


This is probably a font issue, where PDF uses DejaVu, on the other 
hand PS uses a Times type font.


So, how can I adjust matplotlib to save in PS file?

Thanks.

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Gökhan,

I tried your code, and everything worked fine for me. (PythonXY 2.7.3.1 
on Windows 7)
However, I usually use the escaped unicode value rather than unicode 
characters directly. Does the following work instead:


fp = plt.figure(figsize=(8.5, 11))
fp.text(0.5, 0.5, u"Temperature, \u00B0C", color='black', fontsize=16)
plt.savefig('test.ps ', papertype='letter')
plt.savefig('test.pdf', papertype='letter')

Just a thought. Hope it helps.

Ryan


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