Re: [Matplotlib-users] wiki

2006-12-16 Thread Pierre GM
 I'm very confused by the wiki in general. I click on wiki and it takes me
 to something that doesn't obviously have anything to do with matplotlib...

Well, it does say: matplotlib cookbook.

 Like, what's scipy.org? Is it a company? Who is EnThought?
Oh.
What are you using to manipulate arrays ? numarray, Numeric, or numpy ? 
Assuming that you use numpy, then you must know what scipy is, right ? If 
not, well, br
scipy.org is just a central site for numpy/scipy-related information. 
Enthought is a private company that works extensively with Python and numpy 
in particular, and that hosts the site.

 Amy I allowed to contribute to the wiki? It doesn't look like it. The whole
 thing is not very friendly.

It's a wiki, so yes, you can contribute. No, it's not especially friendly, in 
the sense that nobody's here to hold your hand.

 And what is this whole MoinMoin thing?
MoinMoin is a Python WikiClone, based on PikiPiki. 
This converstaion is really becoming surrealistic.

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Re: [Matplotlib-users] wiki

2006-12-16 Thread Simson Garfinkel

On Dec 16, 2006, at 11:58 AM, Pierre GM wrote:

 I'm very confused by the wiki in general. I click on wiki and it  
 takes me
 to something that doesn't obviously have anything to do with  
 matplotlib...

 Well, it does say: matplotlib cookbook.

 Like, what's scipy.org? Is it a company? Who is EnThought?
 Oh.
 What are you using to manipulate arrays ? numarray, Numeric, or  
 numpy ?
 Assuming that you use numpy, then you must know what scipy is,  
 right ? If
 not, well, br
 scipy.org is just a central site for numpy/scipy-related information.
 Enthought is a private company that works extensively with Python  
 and numpy
 in particular, and that hosts the site.

Hi, Pierre. There's a lot of assumptions here.

I do most of my own manipulations in SQL and with custom-written  
programs in C, C++, and Python.

I sort of know what numarray, Numeric and numpy are, but I don't care  
all that much. I'm just interested in matplotlib for the plotting.

The point of my email (and the questions below) is that the entire  
scipy.org website is written for people who already know what's going  
on. If you want to expand the user community (and simultaneously cut  
down on questions) you need to make things dramatically more  
understandable than they currently are.

A related problem is the MoinMoin wiki. It is not a widely used wiki  
and it has many usability problems. It is dramatically harder to use  
than, say, mediawiki.






 Amy I allowed to contribute to the wiki? It doesn't look like it.  
 The whole
 thing is not very friendly.

 It's a wiki, so yes, you can contribute. No, it's not especially  
 friendly, in
 the sense that nobody's here to hold your hand.

 And what is this whole MoinMoin thing?
 MoinMoin is a Python WikiClone, based on PikiPiki. 
 This converstaion is really becoming surrealistic.



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Re: [Matplotlib-users] wiki

2006-12-16 Thread Pierre GM
 Hi, Pierre. There's a lot of assumptions here.
Indeed, and I apologize

 I sort of know what numarray, Numeric and numpy are, but I don't care
 all that much. I'm just interested in matplotlib for the plotting.
Well, matplotlib relies on some packages to handle data arrays. It's probably 
a good idea to check what you have below the hood, just in case something 
goes wrong. It'll make things easier to help you.

 The point of my email (and the questions below) is that the entire
 scipy.org website is written for people who already know what's going
 on. If you want to expand the user community (and simultaneously cut
 down on questions) you need to make things dramatically more
 understandable than they currently are.

That's true, and I guess that's the reason why there's a wiki. Please feel 
free to add your comments and suggestions.

 A related problem is the MoinMoin wiki. It is not a widely used wiki
 and it has many usability problems. It is dramatically harder to use
 than, say, mediawiki.

But it happens to be the solution that has been chosen. 

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