Re: mc is over!? - post by Ilia Maslakov on Russian-speaking IT site
Yury, That's the reason to decommission existing infrastructure asap - you pay for the things that work against your productivity. I see that you not so interested in migration as you didn't answer my question in private. So I'm asking it here: 1) What db backend do you use in trac? 2) I'm ready to help you with migration to git. Do YOU ready for that? On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Yury V. Zaytsev y...@shurup.com wrote: On Sat, 2015-05-30 at 13:56 +0200, Oswald Buddenhagen wrote: (midnight-commander.org is owned privately by slavaz). Just to set the record straight: 1) The domain itself is now paid managed by me through a collective account, to which Slava and the rest of the team have access to. 2) In what concerns the server, after the last crash, I have arranged a virtual machine at OSUOSL, where all the stuff that used to run on the old box has been moved. I've also moved the downloads to OSUOSL mirroring infrastructure sometime later. 3) The builders are owned privately by me, but I will have to decommission them at some point soon and will set up Travis instead. 4) The rest is various hosted services to which multiple people, usually me and Slava have access to. -- Sincerely yours, Yury V. Zaytsev ___ mc-devel mailing list https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel -- Thanks, Volodymyr ___ mc-devel mailing list https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel
Re: mc is over!? - post by Ilia Maslakov on Russian-speaking IT site
On Sat, May 30, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Yury V. Zaytsev y...@shurup.com wrote: On Sat, 2015-05-30 at 08:23 -0400, Volodymyr Buell wrote: That's the reason to decommission existing infrastructure asap - you pay for the things that work against your productivity. I've heard this before, and you still haven't explained how it works against *my* productivity, or the productivity of Andrew. I was referring to productivity of the team as a whole. And if you want to hear an explanation, here is this: * the process of code reviewing is non transparent enough for the community - attaching the patches to the tickets and reviewing these patches is not the same as pull requests * people tend to use the tools if they are good. If there are few options - hack the project on github and hack another project on trac - I'd say majority will choose the github I personally couldn't do much else in 1 hour per week that I'm spending on it anyways. Andrew likes it and it does make him productive: check the git log if you need statistics. Do you think that if the tracker is migrated to Github, I will magically be able to review 500 tickets in this 1 hour per week or what? You did get me wrong. I'm not saying about your personal productivity. Sorry for miscommunication. There are lot of people saying that dvc is bad because they used to share their work by sending *.patch files and they don't need anything else. Does that mean that it works well for other team members? I'd say no. What I meant is that it's much easier to work with PRs instead of patch files. It's easier for community to help to review these requests. It's easy to newcomers to get to it... A valid reason for moving in my opinion would be to reduce reliance on privately owned stuff, and I have been slowly working in this direction, and hope to take it further in the future, but other than that, I see no other reasons currently to do so. On Sat, 2015-05-30 at 08:23 -0400, Volodymyr Buell wrote: I see that you not so interested in migration as you didn't answer my question in private. It's not just a matter of interest; realistically, I can scrap up to 5 hours per week for mc, which means process the mailing list ~2 times per week; processing huge emails full of very questionable content by some posters takes hours, so there we are. I saw your mails among others, and I'll try to reply tomorrow. Now in what concerns the interest, yes, it is low. For once I wholeheartedly agree with Oswald. There need to be some very important advantage in the migration, and if we go for it, it should be done properly. One advantage could be that person X steps up and shows enough commitment to prepare a migration like Slava did, and which was later completed by Oswald. He also declares it as a pre-requisite for him taking over and investing serious time in the project. Under these circumstances, I can stick my own (very negative) opinion of Github issue tracker somewhere deep down, and accept that the tools are chosen by those people who do the real work. If they like Github issues and they make them productive, so be it. But I don't buy unsubstantiated arguments about magical community of productive and qualified members appearing out of nowhere, and doing quality code review over large spans of time. Instead, what will happen is that Github issue tracker will become just as dead swamp of issues and patches, as Trac has become now. I've been part of too many projects, and I know how successful open source projects work: there is a lot happening behind the scenes. -- Sincerely yours, Yury V. Zaytsev -- Thanks, Volodymyr ___ mc-devel mailing list https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel
Re: mc is over!? - post by Ilia Maslakov on Russian-speaking IT site
Please organise a pol to choose a right person. Personally my opinion - why not to give a steering wheel to Mooffie - the author of mc^2 fork? It seems like he did much more for mc than anybody else in past few years. I suggest his candidature. On May 27, 2015 8:19 AM, Slava Zanko slavaza...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Luca, 27.05.2015 14:43, Luca Lazzarini wrote: Hi all! I am Luca, it is the first time that I write here. Honestly I cannot let mc die, so I would be happy to offer myself as volunteer to help the development. I am a web developer, for the most frontend but my background is C (from the university, I was pretty good, lets say almost medium weight). I am working as software developer in Amsterdam and I am building the frontend for a startup in London (from a friend) so I will be pretty busy for the next two months. Anyway after that time I should have sorted out the front end for the startup and I should have free time back! Ok, let me know when you'll have free time and I'll give you all needed permissions. Thanks! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlVltkUACgkQb3oGR6aVLpqHTQCdHSaWTLFWRvCzsOwRNo42CBR6 +EYAnRat+vjHfUOhvxI0v/MngMrR8xzk =F6Nj -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ mc-devel mailing list https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel ___ mc-devel mailing list https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel
Re: mc is over!? - post by Ilia Maslakov on Russian-speaking IT site
Everything you said is right. But what current mc lacks are new features. Developers can be very good at code refactoring or cleaning-up or rewriting the editor to support charset detection... but in reality what people want is the tool that do what THEY want - and yes, plugins ARE the solution. Just give people a chance and github would bursting with mc extensions... So that's why I suggested you - in my opinion you are trying to change a course to the right direction. Another thing is the fact that the team is going to pass the project to guy why, i believe, is more anonymous to the project than you. I have nothing against Luca, do not misunderstand me, but still prefer the poll. On May 27, 2015 11:42 AM, Mooffie moof...@gmail.com wrote: On 5/27/15, Volodymyr Buell vbu...@gmail.com wrote: Please organise a pol to choose a right person. Personally my opinion - why not to give a steering wheel to Mooffie Hey, hold the horses. I'm not at all a programming hotshot, and being practically anonymous here so far, I should be treated with suspicion. To borrow the [in]famous idiom, I haven't proven myself to be real man ;-) And nobody has actually looked into my code yet. There are better people here who have shown aptitude, responsibility and dedication for years (Egmont comes to mind). It seems [that Mooffie] did much more for mc than anybody else in past few years. No, that's patently untrue. First, it's just an illusion that writing mc^2 involved a lot of work. Second, Andrew Borodin has been doing a tremendous (and fantastic) work of cleaning up the code. People perhaps aren't aware of this. It won't be right to say that MC stagnates. As an aside: As one for whom MC is the center of the universe, I was surprised to learn that this is not the case for everybody, and that MC's lifeblood was not flowing as strong as one would imagine. Until a year or two ago I was convinced MC's development was financed and steered by the Illuminati... I'd guess, based on my own experience, that people (that is, programmers) are simply not aware of MC's predicament. After all, how would they? There's no sign for that unless one stumbles upon specific posts here. ___ mc-devel mailing list https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel
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HI, I want to create a ticket but the antispam filter treat it as a spam and I get an error Submission rejected as potential spam (SpamBayes determined spam probability of 91.96%). Please find details of the ticket I'm trying to fill below. === ticket details === Ticket name: Smooth progress bar Body: As a user I want to see progress bars as smooth as possible. It's possible to do with pseudographic sequence e2:96:[88..8f]. See pull request: https://github.com/MidnightCommander/mc/pull/53 -- Thanks, Volodymyr ___ mc-devel mailing list https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mc-devel
