MD: How do I know if my CDROM drive has a digital output? If it doesn't, do I need the Xitel Storm Platinum?

2000-11-04 Thread Cedric


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I'm very interested in buying the Xitel Storm Platinum sound card that =
has got a digital output. Although I have a few MP3's on my computer, it =
is more to record from CD to minidisc than from MP3 to minidisc. So I if =
my CDROM drive doesn't have any digital output, there is no point buying =
a digital out soundcard because it would be analogue recording. Am I =
right ? If so, how do I know if my CDROM drive has a digital output ? =
What do I need to check in my computer ?=20

another question : Is it better to record from CD to minidisc with a =
computer that has a digital output or with a stereo that has a digital =
output ?=20

Thanks=20

Cedric


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RE: MD: Xitel MDport-DG1 or Soundcard?

2000-11-04 Thread JT


 Which one should i buy?
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 I like my SoundBlaster Live! with the LiveDrive... 

Staples.com has the SB Live! X-Gamer (same as the SB Live!, with 
some games bundled, has digital out, all that, doesn't come with 
the breakout box (LiveDrive)) for $79.95, and they have a $25 off 
coupon, so it comes to around $55 + tax (shipping is free, in the 
US at least).  Not too bad.  Use coupon code 90818.  (or check the 
'coupons' section of www.techbargains.com )

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RE: MD: When Oh When.....

2000-11-04 Thread Alan Dowds


I agree. I'm a journalist, and I love to use my 702 for interviews and note
taking, but it's a pain to have to plug a mic in. Seems like in the past
even the cheapest recording tape machines always had at least a cheap mono
mic built-in. Surely it wouldn't take up much space, power or cost?

What T-mic do you use? I fancy the Sony one, but at 90 UK pounds, it's not a
cheap option.

Cya

Al

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When oh when will any of these MD manufacturers make a portable MD dictation
style recorder with a built in mic???  I really think they could make a
fortune..I can't stand the portable digital dictation units that are out
nowthey sound like crapAn MD one with the titling feature and
the
sound quality would be so ideal...I currently use my Sharp 702 with a
T-mic that is very small but is still clumsy especially when I'm on the run
or in the carwhat do you think? Anyone with me on this one?
Tom

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MD: How do I know if my CDROM drive has a digital output? If it doesn't, do I need the Xitel Storm Platinum?

2000-11-04 Thread Tom Browne


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Hiya,

 I'm very interested in buying the Xitel Storm Platinum sound card that =
 has got a digital output.

A good games card, but I wouldn't recommend any Vortex 2 card for digital
recording if you want perfect transfer.

 Although I have a few MP3's on my computer, it =
 is more to record from CD to minidisc than from MP3 to minidisc. So I if =
 my CDROM drive doesn't have any digital output, there is no point buying =
 a digital out soundcard because it would be analogue recording.

Not necessarily... you can rip tracks to your hard drive using a suitable
utility such as Exact Audio Copy (http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/), and then
edit as you like with something like CoolEdit 2K or appropriate before
playing the compilation out through the soundcard.

 Am I right ?

Well, it certainly makes more sense to save money if you don't need the
card... :)

 If so, how do I know if my CDROM drive has a digital output ? =
 What do I need to check in my computer ?=20

There should be a little 2-pin molex connector on the back of the CD-ROM
drive, next to the 4-pin analogue output.  Also be aware that S/PDIF outputs
on some CD-ROMs don't work even if the pins are there, and some also don't
output valid S/PDIF until you start playing, meaning the first second or two
of the first track can be missed... :(

 another question : Is it better to record from CD to minidisc with a =
 computer that has a digital output or with a stereo that has a digital =
 output ?=20

A suitable CD player, certainly.  About 99% of consumer soundcards (YMF744,
Vortex2 and EMU10K1 based ones, probably the FM801 as well) resample
everything to 48KHz internally, since they are designed to be used with AC97
codecs.  In the case of the Vortex 2, the SRC is pretty decent, IMHO, but
it's still not perfect.  YMF744 should be avoided at all costs.  If anyone
wants to see just how much of a joke the so-called SRC is, I can send
spectral graphs...

Even the Vortex 2, which offers a variable rate digital output, cannot do
bit for bit accurate transfers judging by the bloke who tried playing some
HDCD encoded stuff into his outboard DAC, only for it to keep dropping in
and out of HDCD mode, signifying a corruption of the LSB... unfortunately,
when something gets put through an SRC, you almost never get back exactly
what you put in.

As I've said before in the past, the ONLY cheap boards which can do 1:1
44.1KHz at 24-bit wordlength, record without SCMS, and also put down track
marks for you are the C-Media 8338/8738 boards, which can be found for
roughly $25 (or equivalent) if you can find a dealer who sells them.  This
exact same chipset is used by Midiman in their Dio2448, which costs far more
just for the benefit of built-in optical I/O.

If you're prepared to spend a little more, both the Midiman Dio2496 and
Hoontech DSP24s are nice boards (both based on the "professional" Envy24
chipset), and can handle up to 24-bit 96KHz digital I/O.  I have the DSP24,
and it is a good piece of kit, but costs about 10 times as much as a CMI8738
board does, and doesn't support track marking either!

- Tom.
http://www.tbrowne.demon.co.uk

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Re: MD: Xitel MDport-DG1 or Soundcard?

2000-11-04 Thread las


JT wrote:

  Which one should i buy?

Avoid the Xitel MDport-DG1.  I tried it and it kept cutting in and out.
One minute I could see the red light the next is was gone again.

Larry

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Re: MD: md-l-digest V2 #802

2000-11-04 Thread James Jarvie


 And isn't MP3 worthwhile because there are less and
 less quality songs that's worth our money, as far as
mainstream pop/rock is concerned? 

Or fewer and fewer.  Since less is only properly used
when speaking of an amount that cannot be quantified. 
Example: less sugar in the bowl; but fewer Minidisc
units on the shelves of your local Circuit City.

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Re: MD: md-l-digest V2 #802

2000-11-04 Thread James Jarvie


  On 3 Nov 2000, at 10:28, las wrote:
  
  For quality MP3 digital songs, I think it is fair
 to pay a small
  royalty.
  
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  If you [...] plan to copy your CDs to MD and then
 eliminate your CDs
  (e.g.. sell them on eBay), this might not be the
 system for you
  
  snip
  
  Does anyone else see a flaw here?
  -- 
  JT


No.  Larry is saying that if you plan to make master
copies of your CDs and sell them you will not
necessaruly get the best quality recording from this
unit.  He is using this as an example, and has not
inferred that he supports doing this.

James

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MD: Cloning question.

2000-11-04 Thread J. Coon


I frined sent me a disk that he was recording and as the battery was
giving out, he replaced the battery without stopping the unit so the TOC
could be written.  He wants me to recover the recording.  I have a Sony
520 deck and a SOny R30 recorder.  I have some instructions that Dave
Tamkin sent to the list for cloning with w 520.  So my question is do I
need to know if the disc with out hte toc is recorded in mono or stereo 
before I try to recover it?

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RE: MD: Xitel MDport-DG1 or Soundcard?

2000-11-04 Thread Peter Forest


I use the Xitel AN1...

It's not digital but at least, the sound is really good... MP3 is not
digital after all !!!

Regards,

Pierre.

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www.kheopsminidisc.com
www.kheopsinternational.com


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JT wrote:

  Which one should i buy?

Avoid the Xitel MDport-DG1.  I tried it and it kept cutting in and out.
One minute I could see the red light the next is was gone again.

Larry

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MD: SP / LP playback table

2000-11-04 Thread David W. Tamkin


For those interested, I've tested what happens when material recorded in one
mode is played back in another after the TOC is played with.  Non-LP units do
not check the SP/LP bit and mistake LP2 for SP stereo and LP4 for SP mono:


mode upon  mode bits   result on  result on
recording  in TOC  MDLP unit  non-LP unit

SP stereo  SP stereo   SP stereo  SP stereo
SP stereo  SP mono half-speed SP mono half-speed SP mono
SP stereo  LP2 silent SP stereo
SP stereo  LP4 silent half-speed SP mono

SP monoSP stereo   double-speed SP mono   double-speed SP mono
SP monoSP mono SP monoSP mono
SP monoLP2 silent double-speed SP mono
SP monoLP4 silent SP mono

LP2SP stereo   silent silent
LP2SP mono silent silent
LP2LP2 LP2silent
LP2LP4 nonstop squeal silent

LP4SP stereo   silent silent
LP4SP mono silent silent
LP4LP2 double-speed LP4   silent
LP4LP4 LP4silent


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Re: MD: Music and Computer adapters

2000-11-04 Thread Matt Wall



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here is an idea if you have a digital sound card.  digitally extract the
sound files from the cd to wav format on your hd.  then either play them
through something like winamp (which if you play them all without pauses the
track marks should be gone) or put them all into one big file with your
favorite audio editor then record it digitally to you md?  Just an idea.


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 The auto track-mark feature avalaible on digital connections is very
useful
 but there's a drawback sometimes. I bought the CD "The Corrs MTV
Unplugged"
 and I decided to make a copy  of it on MiniDisc. The first copy was
digital.
 Nothing to say on sound quality but there was something unpleasant: due to
 the auto track-mark function: the songs ended abruptely.
 This was all the more unpleasant that this album is a live album so you
hear
 the band and the audience between the songs. So I erased this copy and
 decided to make an analog copy with my Sony deck MDS-JE530.
 Thanks to ATRAC-R and the ability to set line input level, this copy is as
 good as the CD and maybe more pleasant to listen than the first (digital)
 copy whose sound level was a bit too high for me.

 Richard Lang a *crit :

   Why is an optical or digital coax interconnect between your
   CD player and
   MD recorder better than analog?  Less noise on the line, and
   you eliminate
   the DAC-ADC-DAC conversions along the way.
 
  plus you get the track marks from the CD placed on your MD
automatically.
 
  Richard Lang
  Solicitor
 
  Duncan Cotterill
  Christchurch, New Zealand
 
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Re: MD: Music and Computer adapters

2000-11-04 Thread Commun



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I've got a iMac 500 DV ES so no soundcard with digital input for me. So I
decided to make an analog recording of "The Corrs unplugged". I played the CD
on a Discman, i put an analog cable on the LINE OUT, plugged it to the analog
input of my brand new Sony MDS-JE 530 (great MD deck) and started the recording
process. Of course, cause it's a live concert, there was no gap between songs (
you can hear the band and the audience) and that's WHAT I wanted (digital
recording refused me this possibility).
Thanks to the possibility to set the analog recording level, I've been able to
lower a little the sound level to fit my ears sensibility (Andrea is a small
woman but her voice is quite powerful sometimes).
Of course, I had a 64 minutes long track so I used my  Sharp 722 to divide it.
And you know what? This analog recording is excellent, as clear as if it was
made with optical cable. Every day, I don't tire to listen "Little wing" on the
little speakers plugged to the PHONES plug of my MD deck.
Moreover, if someone needs a copy of this album, I can make it with digital
output of my deck cause the master MD hasn't "SCMS-final" status.

Matt Wall a *crit :

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 here is an idea if you have a digital sound card.  digitally extract the
 sound files from the cd to wav format on your hd.  then either play them
 through something like winamp (which if you play them all without pauses the
 track marks should be gone) or put them all into one big file with your
 favorite audio editor then record it digitally to you md?  Just an idea.

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 Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 2:08 PM
 Subject: Re: MD: Music and Computer adapters

 
  The auto track-mark feature avalaible on digital connections is very
 useful
  but there's a drawback sometimes. I bought the CD "The Corrs MTV
 Unplugged"
  and I decided to make a copy  of it on MiniDisc. The first copy was
 digital.
  Nothing to say on sound quality but there was something unpleasant: due to
  the auto track-mark function: the songs ended abruptely.
  This was all the more unpleasant that this album is a live album so you
 hear
  the band and the audience between the songs. So I erased this copy and
  decided to make an analog copy with my Sony deck MDS-JE530.
  Thanks to ATRAC-R and the ability to set line input level, this copy is as
  good as the CD and maybe more pleasant to listen than the first (digital)
  copy whose sound level was a bit too high for me.
 
  Richard Lang a *crit :
 
Why is an optical or digital coax interconnect between your
CD player and
MD recorder better than analog?  Less noise on the line, and
you eliminate
the DAC-ADC-DAC conversions along the way.
  
   plus you get the track marks from the CD placed on your MD
 automatically.
  
   Richard Lang
   Solicitor
  
   Duncan Cotterill
   Christchurch, New Zealand
  
   email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   tel: (++64)-3-379-2430  fax: (++64)-3-379-7097
   http://www.duncancotterill.com
  
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Re: MD: md-l-digest V2 #802

2000-11-04 Thread las



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James Jarvie wrote:

   If you [...] plan to copy your CDs to MD and then
  eliminate your CDs
   (e.g.. sell them on eBay), this might not be the
  system for you

   Does anyone else see a flaw here?

 No.  Larry is saying that if you plan to make master
 copies of your CDs and sell them you will not
 necessaruly get the best quality recording from this
 unit.  He is using this as an example, and has not
 inferred that he supports doing this.

 James

That's correct.  I was just using that as an example.  I was not
advocating any particular practice.

Larry

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