RE: MD: MD good enough for vinyl archiving?
Hi everyone! After reading the post about using MD for vinyl archiving, I would agree with the concept. A good idea is to use 80-minute MDs for the job because you could easily fit two standard-length LPs onto one disc. This was because, during the 70s, most people I knew used to record LPs to cassette for enjoyment in car stereos and portable equipment. In a lot of these situations, they would record to C-90 cassettes with the goal of fitting both sides of one album on one side of the C-90 cassette. With most popular albums, once both sides of one album were laid down on the one side of the cassette, there was usually 5-10 minutes worth of spare tape left, which could allow a user to insert a bonus track. This let them have nearly one and ha half hour's worth of music on the one tape with 45 minutes between side-changes. The listeners would have the choice of listening to both albums by playing one after another or they would listen to one particular album by rewinding the cassette to the beginning of the side that had that album. In the inner suburbs in Australian capital cities, where there are many university students and like-minded people, there were some funky lounge-room bars that catered to this community. These bars were furnished with the kind of furniture that was common in household living areas during the 60s and the 70s. The owners of these places often played 60s and 70s music off vinyl and one place that I attended as part of a graduation party had regular clients that loved the sound of the vinyl -- they would expect the hear the familiar crackling noises that accompanied the music. In these situations, I would find that recording the vinyl to MD would work wonders because the records will last longer. In this situation, the LPs would have to be cleaned as would be expected for normal playback; then recorded to MD. You could use a deck that is equipped with MDLP and Group Mode for this application and record the vinyl in LP2 mode on 80-minute discs. Each LP would be recorded as its own group on the disc. Then the bar owner rests the LPs and plays the MDs -- the crackling sound is still there on the MDs. With regards, Simon Mackay - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MZ-R900 Titling via a Handspring Visor PDA?
Has anybody seen any construction projects for an interface link between a Handspring Visor a MZ-R900? - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: recording not in realtime?
At the end of the day atrac is just a big math algorithm. The speed at which the algorithm is applied does not matter. Mp3 is also just a big math algorithm, but you don't encode your MP3's at 1x do you? :-) The only other limit I can think of is the speed at which the platter of the actual disc can be spun, but considering most MD players/recorders use a buffer, it means that they spin the disc faster than 1x anyway. The reason why pcmd is still so scarce is just because I think the recording companies (like Sony), are afraid they are going to loose to much royalties if it is that easy to copy pirated music to minidisc. The Net-MD technology might change this, although I have my doubts on this. It looks like the Net-Md will be too restrictive (copyright wise) and too regulated :-( Hope this helps Gerard Naude Programmer - Universal Knowledge Software E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: +27-11-7121750 Cell: +27-82-7833724 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of scumpolitician Subject: MD: recording not in realtime? i have been a supporter of the md format for a few years now. and have recently thought of upgrading. before i jump in again i would like to know if anyone has read anything about nonrealtime recording. i realize that atrac is designed for realtime, but with limited understandings of the music clip i am under the impression that it is possible to not record in realtime. (pc-usb-md) any information would be appreciated. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: recording not in realtime?
There is a definite problem with increasing the write speed to disc... This is one of the main reasons (besides poor marketing and excessive price) that MD data never made it big time - the write speed is limited due to the physical properties of the disc and/or the limited amount of laser power... GB - Original Message - From: Gerard Naude [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 14 September 2001 4:31 Subject: RE: MD: recording not in realtime? At the end of the day atrac is just a big math algorithm. The speed at which the algorithm is applied does not matter. Mp3 is also just a big math algorithm, but you don't encode your MP3's at 1x do you? :-) The only other limit I can think of is the speed at which the platter of the actual disc can be spun, but considering most MD players/recorders use a buffer, it means that they spin the disc faster than 1x anyway. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD good enough for vinyl archiving?
Maybe we could invent a scratch crackle inserter and sell them. People could make oldies but goodies out of any kind of music. GRIN Simon Mackay wrote: regular clients that loved the sound of the vinyl -- they would expect the hear the familiar crackling noises that accompanied the music. Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Advice on Inexpensive MDR for Field?
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Alexandre Enkerli wrote: Hi, I'm a new member of the list. My name is Alex Enkerli and I'm a Ph.D. student in ethnomusicology at Indiana University. I'm planning for an extensive field trip to Mali, West Africa, and would like advice on buying a low-cost MD recorder to record both interviews and live music. At this point in time, ruggedness, battery life, overall durability and price (under US$200) are more important for me than additional features and sound quality (provided it's at least decent). The only additional features I'd consider interesting right now would be 2 mic input, long ESP, timestamps, and MDLP, in descending order of interest. If you have suggestions for other important features, please feel free to tell me so. Thanks in advance for your help. Alex Enkerli - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] A good choice for me would be the Sharp SR-70 except the only feature missing is MDLP. Colin. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: MD good enough for vinyl archiving?
Jim Coon joked, | Maybe we could invent a scratch crackle inserter and sell them. People | could make oldies but goodies out of any kind of music. There's nothing to invent; just get some crackle noises and mix them into anything you like or play them at the same time. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: recording not in realtime?
Gerard Naude wrote, | At the end of the day ATRAC is just a big math algorithm. The speed at | which the algorithm is applied does not matter. It does for processing power, and as Graham Baker has pointed out, for the write mechanism to keep up. But please read on; Gerard continued, | The only other | limit I can think of is the speed at which the platter of the actual disc | can be spun, but considering most MD players/recorders use a buffer, it | means that they spin the disc faster than 1x anyway. It's not MD writing but rather the signal that has been limited to 1x. There already, before Net MD, have been ways of writing to MD faster than 1x, such as copies between MD-B5s, track moves on an MDS-W1, or CD-to-MD copying on combo units. The trick was that the data did not go over a regular cable nor, except with the B5s, even between devices. An analog transfer or an S/PDIF transfer is a relatively narrow tube through which audio can move only at 1x, no matter how fast the source can try to pour it in or the destination can try to empty it. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: recording not in realtime?
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Valid points. As I understand MD technology the laser has to heat up a certain spot on the disc so that the magnetic head can write to that specific spot. Like you guys said, the laser will then have to be more powerful to heat up a certain spot faster to the right temperature (since the platter is moving faster). My question then becomes: Will this decrease the life of the disc, since it gets used in a lot more stressful environment? Gerard Naude E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David W. Tamkin Sent: 14 September 2001 03:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MD: recording not in realtime? | At the end of the day ATRAC is just a big math algorithm. The speed at | which the algorithm is applied does not matter. It does for processing power, and as Graham Baker has pointed out, for the write mechanism to keep up. But please read on; Gerard continued, | The only other | limit I can think of is the speed at which the platter of the actual disc | can be spun, but considering most MD players/recorders use a buffer, it | means that they spin the disc faster than 1x anyway. It's not MD writing but rather the signal that has been limited to 1x. There already, before Net MD, have been ways of writing to MD faster than 1x, such as copies between MD-B5s, track moves on an MDS-W1, or CD-to-MD copying on combo units. The trick was that the data did not go over a regular cable nor, except with the B5s, even between devices. An analog transfer or an S/PDIF transfer is a relatively narrow tube through which audio can move only at 1x, no matter how fast the source can try to pour it in or the destination can try to empty it. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: MD good enough for vinyl archiving?
I have a Sony MDS-JA333ES MD machine, and a Tascam DA-40 DAT machine. My personal viewpoint is that if you are archiving *for personal use*, then yes, MD is OK. But if you are archiving for *historical documentation*, or for record label purposes, my personal opinion is that MD is not OK. MD is a loss-ful medium. DAT is lossless. Theoretically, DAT, or even CD-R or CD-RW, makes identical copies of the original signal. This is not true for MD. MD has become a great recording technology over the years. But there are still artifacts present depending on the attributes of the source signal. I don't know if I believe it, but some people claim they can hear a difference between CDs and lps. (Lps sounding the better of the two. Forget about pops and clicks for a second. Just fidelity.) So the difference between MDs and lps would be even more apparent. CD-R or CD-RW would also be a good choice. __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Will MZ-G750 remote work on the MZ-R700?
Eric Woudenberg, Minidisc.org Editor wrote: I don't know the answer to this, but am forwarding your question to the MD mailing list. If anyone there knows, I will add the information to the MZ-R700 and MZ-G750 entry (and also reply to you). While it may work for a few specific models, the power that illuminates the remote usually comes from the recorder. So if the recorder was not originally designed to have a back lit remote, even if the remote itself worked, it would not light up. The best advice I could suggest would be to contact Sony. Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Advice on Inexpensive MDR for Field?
A good choice for me would be the Sharp SR-70 except the only feature missing is MDLP. Colin. I would suggest the Sony MZ-R700. If you plan on doing a lot of voice recording, as opposed to music, you should be able to take advantage of the MDLP 4 mode. If you shop around you may be able to find the unit for about $200.00. My personal opinion is that anyone shopping for a recorder but who can wait a few months, old off to see what happens with Net MD. If you can't wait, again this is just my personal opinion, you should not consider any unit not capable of MDLP recording. I like Sharp's units and own several of various types, but I'm not sure if you can get an MDLP recorder from Sharp for $200.00 Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Advice on Inexpensive MDR for Field?
Hm, the 200 or below sort of narrows it down a lot, but I'd try the Sony MZR-700. I got it 4 months ago, it's a brilliant piece of machinery. Rugged, compact, records MDLP and a really really long battery life. Also, it takes AA batteries, without an extra adapter, which is nice for traveling. I got mine for $230, which I think is pretty fair. If not you can go for the stepped down MZR-500, but I don't think that would be very worth your while, it's VERY stripped down, and feels a lot cheaper to me. -Luis Hi, I'm a new member of the list. My name is Alex Enkerli and I'm a Ph.D. student in ethnomusicology at Indiana University. I'm planning for an extensive field trip to Mali, West Africa, and would like advice on buying a low-cost MD recorder to record both interviews and live music. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Pentagon/World Trade Center attacks, audio
jk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey listers -- I'm collecting audio relating to the recent attacks here in the US. Does anyone know where I can find any archives of news broadcasts, police/fire/rescue dispatch channels, etc. from September 11th? I'm trying to create an audio scrapbook of sorts. Try http://www.npr.org in the archives for Morning Edition and All Things Considered. Len Moskowitz Binaural and StealthMics (tm), Cables, Interfaces Core Soundhttp://www.stealthmicrophones.com Teaneck, New Jersey http://www.core-sound.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 201-801-0812, FAX: 201-801-0912 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Advice on Inexpensive MDR for Field?
I just got my first MD - a 'basic' model - Sharp MD MT90 and use it mainly for recording band rehearsals. Mostly I use the 'mono' record mode that doubles the length of recording time (not as long as MDLP, of course) and the sound quality is excellent. No time stamp, but that could be part of your manually entered titling. What I most like about it is the ease of recording - a single button to start, so that you don't have to burrow down through layers of menu items to start. I believe Minidisco.com has it on sale for about $135 or so. Good luck on your trip! Stilson like advice on buying a low-cost MD recorder to record both interviews and live music. At this point in time, ruggedness, battery life, overall durability and price (under US$200) are more important for me than additional features and sound quality (provided it's at least decent). The only additional features I'd consider interesting right now would be 2 mic input, long ESP, timestamps, and MDLP, in descending order of interest. If you have suggestions for other important features, please feel free to tell me so. Thanks in advance for your help. Alex Enkerli - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Advice on Inexpensive MDR for Field?
Stilson Snow wrote, | Mostly I use the 'mono' record mode that | doubles the length of recording time (not as long as MDLP, of course) ... There are two MDLP modes: LP4 and LP2. The capacity of SP mono is less than that in LP4 but exactly the same as LP2. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: about NetMD, can it do SP? -- And: NetMD upload path
Brian Youn writes: Having owned the new Sony Clie, I can say with all certainty that the current versions of OpenMG Jukebox don't allow for anything above the 132 kbps ATRAC3 format, and that was with version 2.1... so is version 2.2 (which is what was announced with the MZ-N1) going to add the codec/encoder for the standard 292 kbps ATRAC? I really doubt that personally... Matt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The only thing i can see of that maybe say's otherwise is i believe that in one of the press releases that it said compatible with all older units, so sp should be ok. now if i am wrong then you are correct that sp wont be in there, but i hope i read the release correctly. I agree with Matt. From the original press release: Because Net MD will accept current MiniDiscs and will be compatible with both ATRAC and ATRAC3 audio codecs, Net MD recordings can also be played on existing MD products. and: 2) Compatibility with the existing MD hardware: To ensure backward compatibility with existing MD products, Net MD will support both ATRAC and ATRAC3 audio compression technologies. Music recorded in ATRAC3 must be played in ATRAC3 compliant devices. This clearly indicates that SP mode will be supported. What I'm still thinking about is the report from the folks at My-Minidisc.de of their experience at IFA with download *and upload* of data. I talked to them on the phone about this, and they were quite clear that upload was being carried out. They tried it themselves on a Sony VAIO hitched to a NetMD unit (I think it was a deck). This is a major improvement over the current state of affairs for those wishing to move audio from MD to PC. My question is, what are the properties of audio upload? Is the track deleted from the MD after you upload it? Are you allowed a limited number of uploads? And given that OpenMG Jukebox 2.1 already supports .WAV, .WMA and .MP3 download (via an internal transcoding to ATRAC3 step) I think NetMD will be very interesting after all. Does anyone know what the download speed of MP3 audio to a Memorystick Walkman is? Is it limited by the transcoding step, or the Memorystick interface bandwidth? Is there a good newsgroup for Sony OpenMG and Memorystick Walkmans? Rick - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Re[2]: Hookup to PC with the Sony MZR-700DPC
JC You have to bring up the volume control from the Start menu, not the JC task bar. START/Accessories/ Volume Control JC You will see the large version of the volume control. Oh really? Some many Volume Controls How'd you say Same balls - side-view? :-) /D-Off - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
