Re: MD: How to mark tracks when recording digitally from a soundcard?
On Sat, 5 Feb 2000, Jeremy A. Rosengren wrote: Hi, > Certainly, ranting about it in such a manner will not cause the answer to > suddenly appear, as if the list community was holding back information. certainly... > > NO NO NO NO NO NO, I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP, SORRY ABOUT MY LITTLE > > RANT BUT EVERYONE SEEMS TO SAY WELL USING A 2SECOND MARKER WORKS, BUT THIS > > IS ONLY A HALF-BAKED SOLUTION. BEING A DJ I KNOW HOW FRUSTRATING THIS CAN > > BE, HAS ANYONE EVER HEARD OF MIXED CDS! NO 2 SECOND MARKER IS GOING TO > > WORK FOR THAT BECAUSE DAH IT SPLITS THE MUSIC UP WHICH ON A MIXED CD > > (I.E. NO GAPS BETWEEN TRACKS ONLY MARKERS) THIS WILL NOT WORK, AND IF YOU > > PUT IN 2 SECOND GAPS IT RUINS THE MUSIC. HOW CAN I TRANSFER DIGITALLY > > WITHOUT RUINING THE MIXED MUSIC(NO 2 SECOND GAPS), AND INSERTING TRACK > > MARKERS? first of all, please don't write all in caps, this gives us the feeling as if you were shouting. As pointed on a recent post, no soundcard is going to send track marks for you. Maybe the easiest solution for this, if as mine, your MD can put gaps between music by pressing record while recording, will be building or buying a IR device (dirty cheap), teaching it what the record IR code is, and run a program that sends a record command while recording to insert gaps properly. You can even use it to tittle tracks... If anybody knows how to programa Winamp plugin, such kind of little program will be very surely very useful... You have several pointers for this on the minidisc page. greets and relax, *---(*)---**--> Francisco J. Montilla System & Network administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] irc: pukkaSevilleSpain INSFLUG (LiNUX) Coordinator: www.insflug.org - ftp.insflug.org - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: How to mark tracks when recording digitally from a soundcard?
> NO NO NO NO NO NO, I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP, SORRY ABOUT MY LITTLE > RANT BUT EVERYONE SEEMS TO SAY WELL USING A 2SECOND MARKER > WORKS, BUT THIS > IS ONLY A HALF-BAKED SOLUTION. BEING A DJ I KNOW HOW FRUSTRATING THIS CAN > BE, HAS ANYONE EVER HEARD OF MIXED CDS! NO 2 SECOND MARKER > IS GOING TO > WORK FOR THAT BECAUSE DAH IT SPLITS THE MUSIC UP WHICH ON A MIXED CD > (I.E. NO GAPS BETWEEN TRACKS ONLY MARKERS) THIS WILL NOT WORK, AND IF YOU > PUT IN 2 SECOND GAPS IT RUINS THE MUSIC. HOW CAN I TRANSFER DIGITALLY > WITHOUT RUINING THE MIXED MUSIC(NO 2 SECOND GAPS), AND INSERTING TRACK > MARKERS? Quick and easy solution; burn an audio CDR (or CDRW, if you've got a player that accepts them) of the mp3s in Disc-at-Once mode, then record it the normal CD->MD way. Alternatively you could just sit there while it plays, with a countdown timer on each track, hitting "track mark" when needed. I think there are a couple of schemes to do this automatically - either via the remote lead (on portables) or via IR codes (on home decks). Have a look on the MDCP's "Computer Control/Titling" section. -- Simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: How to mark tracks when recording digitally from a soundcard?
=== The original message was multipart MIME=== === All non-text parts (attachments) have been removed === Certainly, ranting about it in such a manner will not cause the answer to suddenly appear, as if the list community was holding back information. >From what I've read while being subscribed to the list (and finally delurking because of this silliness), it can't be done from a PC because the PC's sound card doesn't send track marks. Now, maybe somebody will report that a soundcard manufacturer has come up with a product that does, and when they do I'm sure we'll all hear about it. But don't you think the answer you wanted to hear would have come out said answer was possible? And finally, if you need to copy such a CD, then get a CD deck with a digital output and go from there... -- jeremy DJ_HOPE ON DOPE wrote: > NO NO NO NO NO NO, I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP, SORRY ABOUT MY LITTLE > RANT BUT EVERYONE SEEMS TO SAY WELL USING A 2SECOND MARKER WORKS, BUT THIS > IS ONLY A HALF-BAKED SOLUTION. BEING A DJ I KNOW HOW FRUSTRATING THIS CAN > BE, HAS ANYONE EVER HEARD OF MIXED CDS! NO 2 SECOND MARKER IS GOING TO > WORK FOR THAT BECAUSE DAH IT SPLITS THE MUSIC UP WHICH ON A MIXED CD > (I.E. NO GAPS BETWEEN TRACKS ONLY MARKERS) THIS WILL NOT WORK, AND IF YOU > PUT IN 2 SECOND GAPS IT RUINS THE MUSIC. HOW CAN I TRANSFER DIGITALLY > WITHOUT RUINING THE MIXED MUSIC(NO 2 SECOND GAPS), AND INSERTING TRACK > MARKERS? > > >I have got a Aureal Vortex 2 SuperQuad Soundcard (with SPDIF output), > >and a Sony MZR50 Minidisc (with SPDIF input). There is no problem with > >the recording(from Computer to MD), but there will be only one track on > >the disc. If I make the recording with a CD deck, or MD deck (from CD/MD > >deck to MD) there will be so many tracks on the MD, how many there were > >on the source CD/MD. I mean there must be a signal, which "say: here is > >the end of this track". The Support of the Aureal an the Sony couldn't > >help me.(perhaps somebody can give me a programm, that support this > >function.) > > >Right, S/PDIF carries track number information along with the digital > >audio. When an MD deck senses a change in track number, it marks a new > >track. I don't know of any way of making track marks when digitally > >recording from a PC, but I'm forwarding your note to the MD mailing > >list in the hope that someone there can help. > > >To anyone who offers suggestions, please also cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word > "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] === MIME part removed : application/x-pkcs7-signature; === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: How to mark tracks when recording digitally from a soundcard?
> IS ONLY A HALF-BAKED SOLUTION. BEING A DJ I KNOW HOW FRUSTRATING THIS CAN
> BE, HAS ANYONE EVER HEARD OF MIXED CDS! NO 2 SECOND MARKER IS GOING TO
> WORK FOR THAT BECAUSE DAH IT SPLITS THE MUSIC UP WHICH ON A MIXED CD
> (I.E. NO GAPS BETWEEN TRACKS ONLY MARKERS) THIS WILL NOT WORK, AND IF YOU
> PUT IN 2 SECOND GAPS IT RUINS THE MUSIC. HOW CAN I TRANSFER DIGITALLY
> WITHOUT RUINING THE MIXED MUSIC(NO 2 SECOND GAPS), AND INSERTING TRACK
> MARKERS?
We don't care if you rant, but if you do rant, don't shout. Please.
That aside, you have to appreciate the technical side of this. Current
consumer sound cards will not send track marks because a sound card is only
designed to take the input from the application and pump it out to a format
other equipment will understand. No sound card will know the difference
between a music track to the sound of rockets whooshing past you in Quake.
That's not the job of the sound card.
Most current drivers are designed to pump out only the "essential" bits to
an S/PDIF stream - the sound data. A notable exception is the newer Yamaha
YMF744 drivers, which will also transmit SCMS. Of course, if a sound card
is able to transmit SCMS bits it will probably be able to transmit track
marks. However, this will probably involve writing directly to the sound
chipset (writing track marks to the sound device will probably NOT work) -
which is not a good thing to do unless if you're a driver. So this will
probably mean modification of the drivers.
Yamaha, Aureal, and Creative will probably not give up the specs to their
flagship chipsets without a fight - or at least a messy NDA (which usually
involves ). The most likely candidate for this kind of development
would be the Trident 4DWave chipsets, as they ARE willing to give away the
specs without any messy legal stuff. However, you either need a) driver
source or b) to rewrite the drivers.
Interestingly, the easiest way you would do any of this would be to
implement it under Linux. Aureal and Creative have open source Linux
drivers (although they have no specs and Aureal uses a weird abstraction
layer), and Trident 4Dwave drivers exist for the ALSA project. Potentially
you can create a device under /dev/snd in ALSA which, when written to, will
create track marks?
(This is conceptual stuff, guys. Don't flame me.)
Barring that, the best you can do is to look at the track times on the
playlist and fastforward in pause mode (relatively quick) to that point and
mark a track. Sorry.
That or you can beg
{Aureal|Creative|Yamaha|Xitel|Trident|Guillemot|TurtleBeach|Videologic|Hoontech|insert_sound_chipset_or_card_manufacturer_or_reseller,_vendor_,or_supplier_name_here}
for drivers that insert trackmarks.
- Ed.
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Re: MD: How to mark tracks when recording digitally from a soundcard?
NO NO NO NO NO NO, I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP, SORRY ABOUT MY LITTLE RANT BUT EVERYONE SEEMS TO SAY WELL USING A 2SECOND MARKER WORKS, BUT THIS IS ONLY A HALF-BAKED SOLUTION. BEING A DJ I KNOW HOW FRUSTRATING THIS CAN BE, HAS ANYONE EVER HEARD OF MIXED CDS! NO 2 SECOND MARKER IS GOING TO WORK FOR THAT BECAUSE DAH IT SPLITS THE MUSIC UP WHICH ON A MIXED CD (I.E. NO GAPS BETWEEN TRACKS ONLY MARKERS) THIS WILL NOT WORK, AND IF YOU PUT IN 2 SECOND GAPS IT RUINS THE MUSIC. HOW CAN I TRANSFER DIGITALLY WITHOUT RUINING THE MIXED MUSIC(NO 2 SECOND GAPS), AND INSERTING TRACK MARKERS? >I have got a Aureal Vortex 2 SuperQuad Soundcard (with SPDIF output), >and a Sony MZR50 Minidisc (with SPDIF input). There is no problem with >the recording(from Computer to MD), but there will be only one track on >the disc. If I make the recording with a CD deck, or MD deck (from CD/MD >deck to MD) there will be so many tracks on the MD, how many there were >on the source CD/MD. I mean there must be a signal, which "say: here is >the end of this track". The Support of the Aureal an the Sony couldn't >help me.(perhaps somebody can give me a programm, that support this >function.) >Right, S/PDIF carries track number information along with the digital >audio. When an MD deck senses a change in track number, it marks a new >track. I don't know of any way of making track marks when digitally >recording from a PC, but I'm forwarding your note to the MD mailing >list in the hope that someone there can help. >To anyone who offers suggestions, please also cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: How to mark tracks when recording digitally from a soundcard?
A two second pause (I use the Unreal player which inserts it automatically) works fine with my Sharp MD-R2 deck and a digital connection. -- Martin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Edmund Wong Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 10:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MD: How to mark tracks when recording digitally from a soundcard? > Right, S/PDIF carries track number information along with the digital > audio. When an MD deck senses a change in track number, it marks a new > track. I don't know of any way of making track marks when digitally > recording from a PC, but I'm forwarding your note to the MD mailing > list in the hope that someone there can help. Your best bet is to rely on the autotrackmark function of your deck. You do not mention what you are recording. If you are playing MP3s, you can use the Soritong MP3 player (http://www.sorinara.com/) or the Winamp pause plugin (http://students.washington.edu/llin/toslink.html, scroll to the bottom). A pause of 2-3 seconds will make most portable units start a new track. Not sure about decks, though - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: How to mark tracks when recording digitally from a soundcard?
> Right, S/PDIF carries track number information along with the digital > audio. When an MD deck senses a change in track number, it marks a new > track. I don't know of any way of making track marks when digitally > recording from a PC, but I'm forwarding your note to the MD mailing > list in the hope that someone there can help. Your best bet is to rely on the autotrackmark function of your deck. You do not mention what you are recording. If you are playing MP3s, you can use the Soritong MP3 player (http://www.sorinara.com/) or the Winamp pause plugin (http://students.washington.edu/llin/toslink.html, scroll to the bottom). A pause of 2-3 seconds will make most portable units start a new track. Not sure about decks, though - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: How to mark tracks when recording digitally from a soundcard?
On Sat, 5 Feb 2000, Eric Woudenberg wrote: Hi, > >I have got a Aureal Vortex 2 SuperQuad Soundcard (with SPDIF output), > >and a Sony MZR50 Minidisc (with SPDIF input). There is no problem with > >the recording(from Computer to MD), but there will be only one track on > >the disc. If I make the recording with a CD deck, or MD deck (from CD/MD > >deck to MD) there will be so many tracks on the MD, how many there were > >on the source CD/MD. I mean there must be a signal, which "say: here is > >the end of this track". The Support of the Aureal an the Sony couldn't > >help me.(perhaps somebody can give me a programm, that support this > >function.) > Right, S/PDIF carries track number information along with the digital > audio. When an MD deck senses a change in track number, it marks a new > track. I don't know of any way of making track marks when digitally > recording from a PC, but I'm forwarding your note to the MD mailing > list in the hope that someone there can help. I use a similar setup, transferring digitally via S/PDIF from my computer to the MD, and the simplest way of marking tracks is to insert a couple of silence seconds between them. If you're transferring MP3, You can either use a 2 second silence mp3 file (available on sites listed on the MP3 Handling section of minidisc.org) or make your mp3 player to issue a 2 second pause between reproduction. If you're recording different audio files, create a 2 second silence audio file and play them between tracks, that's it. Nevertheless, I'd check the MD manual first to see if the auto-track-marking feature is enabled, and works via the S/PDIF input. Mine is a MDS-JA20ES and works as expected, I guess this is pretty common to all MD's... Greets, *---(*)---**--> Francisco J. Montilla System & Network administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] irc: pukkaSevilleSpain INSFLUG (LiNUX) Coordinator: www.insflug.org - ftp.insflug.org - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
