Re: MD: Pre-Recs/Blank Quality

2000-08-21 Thread Ed Heckman


At 8/21/00 2:13 AM, las increased the world's knowledge by typing:

Again you can't use 2000 technology to discredit 1960+ state of the art.

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Things get easier all of the time.  But that doesn't mean that recording an
album to tape was so difficult that it couldn't be done by the average 
person.

If I remember correctly, the point was why was there a market for 
prerecorded cassettes, but why isn't there a market for prerecorded MDs.

I'm old enough that I remember 8 tracks and reel-to-reel tapes. I was 
definitely "the average person" during the period when LPs and cassettes 
ruled the music industry. I couldn't afford anything close to the high 
end equipment you discussed. Even good equipment required significant 
manual fiddling to get a decent recording, and even then the quality 
wasn't anywhere near as good as a prerecorded tape.

In short, there are three simple reasons why prerecorded tapes 
flourished, while prerecorded MDs don't:

1. Recording LP's to tape was a time consuming process that usually 
required some fiddling. Recording a CD to MD is as simple as it can get, 
even with "low-end" equipment.

2. A tape recorded from an LP was simply inferior to prerecorded tapes 
unless you happened to own very high-end equipment. Even then pops and 
clicks from LPs were common. I doubt that an audible difference can be 
heard between a MD recorded from a CD and a prerecorded MD.

3. Cassette players were everywhere. You could buy a tape and play it at 
home, in the car, on a portable player and on a boom box. MD players 
aren't nearly so ubiquitous. Most people will only be able to play a MD 
either at home or on their portable. But a CD can now be played anywhere 
a cassette could.

To me, these reasons where why I preferred to buy cassettes before CDs 
took over. And these reasons are why I prefer to buy CDs and record them 
to MDs myself. (Note: I have a MD portable and a car stereo that plays 
MD. But that's it.)



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Re: MD: Pre-Recs/Blank Quality

2000-08-20 Thread Dan Frakes


las [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Guess I've never seen much use for pre-recorded MDs.

But compact cassettes had a large market share in the prerecorded 
area. Even though the durability and fidelity was poor. The MD does 
everything the cassette does only better and with many more options 
(not even counting the digital aspect).

But pre-recorded cassettes had a large market share because CD's weren't 
around ;-)
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Re: MD: Pre-Recs/Blank Quality

2000-08-20 Thread Ed Heckman


At 8/20/00 8:56 PM, las increased the world's knowledge by typing:

But there were records around.  All they had to do was buy the record which
was cheaper than the prerecorded tape to begin with and make a copy of the
record.  This is exactly the analogy that you are making between the CD and
the prerecorded tape.

But recording a record to a tape was _much_ more hassle than recording a 
CD to a MD. You had to have a decent record player and pretty good tape 
recorder. Then you had to make sure you had a tape that was long enough. 
You also had to make sure that one side of a record could fit on one side 
of the tape. Then you had to make sure that you weren't attempting to 
record on the tape leader. And finally, you had to start recording the 
tape and playing the record at the same time--no easy feat. And that was 
just one side that you just recorded. Now you have to flip the tape AND 
record and do it again.

With MD all you have to do is plug the optical plug into the portable MD 
(if you don't have a preconnected deck setup.), push play/pause on the CD 
player, push record on the MD, then push pause on the CD player to start 
the recording. Then just sit back and wait for it to finish.

In the process, you wind up with tracks premarked, sometimes (rarely) 
tracks already named, and a (almost) exact digital duplicate of the 
original. Compare this to the less than perfect copy of an LP that you 
were guaranteed to get.

(Why do I get the feeling that I just missed the point?)



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MD: Pre-Recs/Blank Quality

2000-08-19 Thread DoctorWu51


Prince Gaz says:

One not so good sign is the availability of pre-rec MDs which has always 
been
very low here, and at best has remained steady over the last two or so years
though I sorta think it may actually have reduced.  That maybe because I have
seen the massive growth in blanks etc, and their tumbling cost, whilst the
pre-recs have remained a pound or two higher than the same CD.

Guess I've never seen much use for pre-recorded MDs.  To me, the whole point 
of the MD format is to be able to make compilations  trades(and live 
recordings, if you're into that aspect).  If you don't use a stripper and two 
MD recorders, you can't clone a pre-rec MD or record individual tracks off of 
it, so it's no wonder people don't buy them. 

As for differences between blanks, I do not believe there is a sound 
difference.  The construction of the blank may affect its longevity and 
ability to withstand abuse, but digital is digital; they all sound the same 
to me. 

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Re: MD: Pre-Recs/Blank Quality

2000-08-19 Thread las


 Guess I've never seen much use for pre-recorded MDs.

But compact cassettes had a large market share in the prerecorded area.  Even
though the durability and fidelity was poor.  The MD does everything the cassette
does only better and with many more options (not even counting the digital
aspect).

 To me, the whole point
 of the MD format is to be able to make compilations  trades(and live
 recordings, if you're into that aspect).  If you don't use a stripper and two
 MD recorders, you can't clone a pre-rec MD or record individual tracks off of
 it, so it's no wonder people don't buy them.

Since the MD can't make an exact digital copy do to compression, it really
doesn't seem right that they place copy protection on an MD while not on the
tape.

If  Sony was still in the recording business and not the record and movie
business, I'll bet they would have fought SCMS just like they defended tape.

Larry

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