Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900

2001-01-15 Thread J. Coon


That would work too.  The ear buds were pretty cheap, and the cable was
already split and labeled as to which is the right and which is the
left.  A lot of people that want to build one don't have anything to
test the cable with.  

JT wrote:
 
 On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, J. Coon wrote:
 
 
  Using the earphones works in a pinch but you are better off making or
  buying a condenser mike.  Here is one that I designed that work well,
  and the parts cost about $10.
  http://www.tir.com/~liteways/Mandolin.html#Microphone
 
 And I'll still question why you buy earbuds just for the cable/connector...
 wouldn't it be more sensible (and cheaper) to just buy a stereo 1/8" male to
 male cable and use that?
 
 Josh
 
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Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900

2001-01-12 Thread Jen Wood


For serious listening or recording maybe, but when I bought my md player
(sharp mt77) I wanted something that could fill the role of a portable mp3
player but have the benifits of a tape/cd portable(like not having to spend
an arm and a leg on additional storage) without being as bulky. There was
the added benifit of knowing that mds had been around for a while so I
probably wasn't going to see a new line come out the week after I bought my
unit with 200% improvement over the old stuff. *grumble grumble stupid tech
industry*

Anyway I havent noticed any reason why LP2 isnt good enough for 90% of my
day to day (aka non serious) use. Maybe LP4 would be good for that long
noisy bus ride, but LP2 seems fine for a jog in the park or a car trip or
just bumming around listening to music.

-Jen

 I guess it would sound good if you always listened to it in heavy
 traffic riding on the bus.   I think for serious listening or recording,
 you are better off with standard MD.

 Some infidels look down on MD as inferior because it uses ATRAC in the
 first place, can you imagine their comments on the new LP stuff.  "Wow,
 have you heard those MD recorders? They sure play a long time but the
 sound is crap!"


 Just my humble opinion of course.  I'll stick to regular MD any time.

 I have recorded  on my R30 and got a copy that was good enough to submit
 for a CD compilation, and so have a lot of other people.  I'm sure they
 won't be able to do that with the LP mode.



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Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900

2001-01-10 Thread Steve Corey


"Churchill, Guy" wrote:

 If you can't ever hear tell the difference, does it matter?  I

I submit that it does matter, for the reasons I mentioned in my previous
post that future technology will enable the ability to vastly improve
current recordings.  It's like the Caruso restorations.  They used the
best quality recording technology at the time, which the majority of
people thought was high quality recording, but still, there was too much
information lost, and the restorations, while good, are still not
great.  Perhaps in the future it will be possible to restore the
complete sound of the Caruso recordings.  For that matter it may be
possible to restore the complete sound of Bach playing the organ.  But
why make it more difficult that it has to be.

And I'm not just thinking about restoring only the two track mix, I'm
thinking about the ability to separate out instruments and remix, and
create new soundstages and the like.  With any lossy compression, that
sort of thing becomes much more difficult.

 will challenge anyone in a doubleblind listening test to identify
 the difference between CD and the latest ATRAC version.  If you can,
 then you are certainly in the minority.  For the rest of the world

In the majority of cases, I cannot tell the difference between CD and
the ATRAC on my MZ-R90.  However, I did a recording with it of some
acoustic guitar, where I didn't set the levels properly, and I can hear
a difference between the ATRAC and the DAT version.  (I used the R90 as
a backup recorder, DAT optical out to R90 optical in.)

I also notice a distinct decrease in quality when I start to process the
ATRAC stuff with EQ or reverb or dynamic compression, and the like. 
There's something about it that doesn't like to be messed with.

 _snip examples of MD uses_

I totally agree that MD has its uses.  That's why I own one.  The only
reason for my first post on this subject was the statement that MD is
High Quality recording.  I just don't think so.  And I do record
concerts, and music for listening to on the train, and jams, and
sketches, and I want an LP4 deck so I can cram tons of music on it and
on and on...

 Here is an experiment just WAITING to be done ... pick a piece
 of music, something simple but complex (dynamic range, tempo,
 instrument placement).  Do a digital recording in SP, LP2, LP4
 dump back to CD digitally and compare on a reference system.
 (remembering that the recording can only be a s good as the
 original).  Make the WAV files available for all, so that
 others can burn a CD and make a decision for themselves.  30 sec
 clips should be enough (x3 = approx 15Mb download)

I was going to do this with some of my uncompressed PCM friends, but
it's interesting how they backpedal when you bring up a proper
doubleblind test.  I may still do it however.  I still really do want
to.  Perhaps we can work out something?
 
  It amazes me that people will spend thousands of dollars on their
  instruments, including microphones and preamps and other miscellaneous
  recording gear, and then balk at shelling out $700 for a DAT.  Instead
  they go for a $200 MD.  (I'm just going with rock bottom here.) And then
  they throw away a lot of the signal.  Does it sound great?  Yes.  Does
  it sound as good as it could?  No.  Plus you have severely
  degraded your chances of future restoration possibilities.
 
 What amazes me more, is people who spend $1000's on Hi-Fi and put it
 in a 10'x10' room, full of furniture and wonder why it doesn't sound
 that good.
 
Total agreement with you here.

  MD has many uses.  Long Play mode is one of them.  Recording music is
  one of them.  I will even go so far as to suggest that recording music
  in a LP mode is one of them (oh, no! heresy!)  But don't delude yourself
  that you are getting high quality recordings in whatever MD mode you
  use.
 
 Don't delude yourself you are getting an "exact" copy, but do recognise
 that using 5:1 compression, MD is probably giving you the best damn
 "real time" compressed recording available.  "Fitness of use"  :)

Agree with you again.  I only object when someone says that MD is high
quality recording, when it is middle quality recording.

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Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900

2001-01-10 Thread J. Coon


Steve Corey wrote:
  
 In the majority of cases, I cannot tell the difference between CD and
 the ATRAC on my MZ-R90.  However, I did a recording with it of some
 acoustic guitar, where I didn't set the levels properly, and I can hear
 a difference between the ATRAC and the DAT version.  (I used the R90 as
 a backup recorder, DAT optical out to R90 optical in.)

I think that is because the levels weren't set correctly.  If you are
going to compare them, they need to be set properly to begin with.

 
 I totally agree that MD has its uses.  That's why I own one.  The only
 reason for my first post on this subject was the statement that MD is
 High Quality recording.  I just don't think so.  And I do record
 concerts, and music for listening to on the train, and jams, and
 sketches, and I want an LP4 deck so I can cram tons of music on it and
 on and on...
 
 Agree with you again.  I only object when someone says that MD is high
 quality recording, when it is middle quality recording.

I think this is a matter of perspective.  
Compared to a cassette tape recorder that most people use, it is high
quality, compared to CD it is close to the same, compared to DAT, it may
be middle quality in your mind, but I think the quality is still pretty
high.


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Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900

2001-01-09 Thread Ed Heckman


At 1/8/01 11:28 PM, J. Coon wrote:

No, I haven't listened to it at all.  It is just that when I record
something, I want it  to be very close the original.  MD is very close
to CD quality.  However, from the reports of people that have posted
their experiance to the list,  they can tell a difference between
standard MD and LP mode.  As I recall, they said the extra long play
mode on some of the units is only good for recording lectures. 

I was one of those people that posted my opinion of LP. I did a short 
comparison test between the LP and regular modes. I could hear a 
difference between standard mode and LP2. But I had to listen for it. 
This difference will probably not be apparent under normal listing 
conditions. As a result I'm REALLY looking forward to being able to 
install a MiniDisc head unit in my car that supports LP.

LP4 mode does make some noticeable impact on the sound quality. If your 
hearing is damaged you may or may not notice a difference. But it's STILL 
better than most MP3's I've heard.

In short, standard mode is for those times when sound quality is most 
important, LP2 is great for day-to-day use, and LP4 is perfect for those 
times when recording time is most important.

IMNSHO, units without LP are history.



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Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900

2001-01-09 Thread Neil


On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 01:08:32 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  IMNSHO, units without LP are history.

In what way?

I can sorta see that new units may struggle to compete without these
features. But as you've alluded to, yourself - I suspect many MD users may
never use it.

For normal musics MDs I don't think I would - long car journeys may alter
that, but I don't really do that often enough to worry about. Whilst with my
current use in the car, changing MDs whilst on the move, is not easily, or
safely, possible - a 74 or 80 min MD with plenty of varying music on, is
likely to keep me entertained for a good couple of hours - after which I
should probably make a stop, whilst driving, in order to keep my attention
and driving safe.

I also quite like recording audio from DVD films to MD - and as 74 and 80
min MDs rarely - if ever - manage to get the whole film - theres a
possiblity that LP *could* be useful - but I'm not convinced whether I'd
wanna take a hit on sound quality, but in fairness, when listening in the
car - sound quality is not the highest importance.

Where I can truly see a use, is for lecture / seminar recording, or
personally for recording audio books.

I guess the MD format has to be careful here, though, in matching the needs
of those that find it useful, with the perception of it's affects on sound
quality whilst trying to compete with MP3 players.

All that said - I hardly think this functionality will be the death for
non-LP compatible devices - simply because of the lack of backward
compatibility, and the niche that I think these features fall into.

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Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900

2001-01-09 Thread J. Coon


Ed Heckman wrote:
 I was one of those people that posted my opinion of LP. I did a short
 comparison test between the LP and regular modes. I could hear a
 difference between standard mode and LP2. But I had to listen for it.
 This difference will probably not be apparent under normal listing
 conditions. As a result I'm REALLY looking forward to being able to
 install a MiniDisc head unit in my car that supports LP.
 
 LP4 mode does make some noticeable impact on the sound quality. If your
 hearing is damaged you may or may not notice a difference. But it's STILL
 better than most MP3's I've heard.

MP3 doesn't make it for anything except getting a copy off the internet
of something that you don't care if it doesn't sound like it should. 
MP3, LP4 and LP2 won't be useful for anyone that wants to record
something that they may want to use show other people.  IMHO.


 In short, standard mode is for those times when sound quality is most
 important, LP2 is great for day-to-day use, and LP4 is perfect for those
 times when recording time is most important.

Well, I'd say standard mode is close to CD or DAT quality,  LP2 OK to
copy music from a CD or another source, not live music,  LP4 could be
used for recording a filibuster, court proceedings,etc, but not useful
for music.

 
 IMNSHO, units without LP are history.

IMHO, you would be better off to just record it in mono and keep the
sound quality high.
In Mono you can put 149 to 160 minutes on the recording.


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Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900

2001-01-09 Thread Anthony Lalande


 [snip]
 
 Where I can truly see a use, is for lecture / seminar recording, or
 personally for recording audio books.
 

Agreed. As a student myself, I have toyed with the idea of recording
lectures on my Sharp MT-831. Though it's not LP by any measure, I can still
assure quite a bit of recording time on 1 MD by recording in Mono. In the
same way that ATRAC compresses by removing imperceptible audio data, I can
do the same by removing 1 of the redundant audio channels recorded with a
mono mic.

On the other hand, a friend of mine has discovered that he was able to get
quite a clear sound by plugging his earphones in the microphone jack. I
listened to a recording he made with a friend, each person talking in one
side of the earphone, and the stereo separation gives interesting results
when listening to the recording. If someone were serious about recording and
perhaps archiving class lectures, it might be possible to get a [1] stereo
microphone and attempts to record the teacher on one channel, and any class
discussion on the other.

[1] http://www.planetminidisc.com/ecm-ds70p.html


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Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900

2001-01-09 Thread Steve Corey


First off, I absolutely love my MZ-R90.  Now onto rant mode:

"J. Coon" wrote:
 
 No, I haven't listened to it at all.  It is just that when I record

Sounds like one of those "infidels look down on MD as inferior because
it uses ATRAC" as you put it in another post.  You're doing the same
thing.

 LP isn't the quality I am looking for in MD equipment and I doubt if
 anyone the plays music will want it either.  They aren't looking for
 super long recordings, they are looking for high quality recordings so
 they can use the material in the future if they want to.

I do play music, and I am looking for super long recordings.  If I want
quality recording I go DAT.  Don't kid yourself, MD is lossy
compression, is not CD quality, and is unsuitable for archiving (or
mastering for a CD, if you prefer) for that reason.  In the future there
will be great advances in audio restoration capabilities, and the higher
quality you record now, will only make future restoration easier.  MD
does not fit into this picture.

It amazes me that people will spend thousands of dollars on their
instruments, including microphones and preamps and other miscelaneous
recording gear, and then balk at shelling out $700 for a DAT.  Instead
they go for a $200 MD.  (I'm just going with rock bottom here.) And then
they throw away a lot of the signal.  Does it sound great?  Yes.  Does
it sound as good as it could?  No.  Plus you have severely degraded your
chances of future restoration possibilities.

MD has many uses.  Long Play mode is one of them.  Recording music is
one of them.  I will even go so far as to suggest that recording music
in a LP mode is one of them (oh, no! heresy!)  But don't delude yourself
that you are getting high quality recordings in whatever MD mode you
use.

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Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900

2001-01-09 Thread David W. Tamkin


Will asked, tersely,

| does LP sound good? thats what i want to know.

I have to agree with Ed Heckman here; to my ears, LP2 is good enough for en-
joying most music, and LP4 is plenty good enough for speech.  Also, sometimes
I'll record music from the radio while I'm busy or asleep and not available
to listen to it, and I'm not interested in the listening experience of it so
much as tracking the playlist; for that LP4 is more than adequate.

If you can find an LP demo unit in a store or if you have a friend who
already owns one, listen to an LP track and reach your own conclusion.

A lot depends on your listening purpose and listening environment.  If you'll
be listening in a noisy place, or if you want background accompaniment for
what you are doing rather than the experience of getting lost in the music, 
the quality may not be so critical for you.

I'll also agree with Steve Corey, strangely enough.  Even SP mode on MDs is
lossy, so it's not a question of yes or no but one of how far.  So as you can
see, it's a subjective call.

For a data point, my subjective call is as follows, and the rest of this post
is strictly my own opinion, not intended as a recommendation to anyone and
certainly not as a representation of immutable fact.  If I'm time-shifting a
radio program, then

 if I want to enjoy the music and then delete the recording, I'd use LP2;
 if I want just to identify the songs and delete it, I'd use LP4;
 if I might want to keep the recording or sections of it to play and enjoy 
  again, and especially if I'm thinking of ripping it to hard disk or dubbing
  it to CD, I'd use SP.

For a live performance, I'd go for SP: that's consistent with my position on
radio broadcasts, because the only reason to record a performance that one is
attending is to listen to it again.  By the same token, if I'm not there but
someone there is recording it for me to hear once, LP2 would do.

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Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900

2001-01-09 Thread Churchill, Guy


 First off, I absolutely love my MZ-R90.  Now onto rant mode:

I think everyone here "loves" their MD gear.  (sometimes just
a little tooo much  :)

 I do play music, and I am looking for super long recordings.  
 If I want quality recording I go DAT.  Don't kid yourself, MD
 is lossy compression, is not CD quality, and is unsuitable for
 archiving (or mastering for a CD, if you prefer) for that reason.

The question is not over the actual technical ability for MD 
to faithfully reproduce CD sound ... the key is in the users
*perception* that MD is CD quality.  No-one debates the fact that
compression using ATRAC = data loss, but can people tell?

I can point to the fact that the AC3 5.1 soundtrack is actually of
lower quality then CD, but do people complain? ... NO.  And that's
because of "fitness of use".  

If you can't ever hear tell the difference, does it matter?  I
will challenge anyone in a doubleblind listening test to identify
the difference between CD and the latest ATRAC version.  If you can,
then you are certainly in the minority.  For the rest of the world
population MD meets "fitness of use", this can include (but not
exclusively limited to) archiving, portable audio, master 
recordings, car audio, bootlegs and any other of the 1000's of uses
MD has been put to.

LP2/LP4 also have their use ... whilst I can't attest to having
"actually" listened to a LP4 recording, I can imagine what they may
sound like based on my MP3 experiments and the effect of ever 
reducing bit-rates can have on recordings.  Taking this into 
consideration LP2/LP4 will certainly have their use ... LP4 
seems to be the ticket for lectures, talking books, Whilst LP2
seems a candidate for portable audio, car audio and other places
where external noises interfere with sound quality.

Here is an experiment just WAITING to be done ... pick a piece
of music, something simple but complex (dynamic range, tempo,
instrument placement).  Do a digital recording in SP, LP2, LP4
dump back to CD digitally and compare on a reference system.
(remembering that the recording can only be a s good as the
original).  Make the WAV files available for all, so that 
others can burn a CD and make a decision for themselves.  30 sec
clips should be enough (x3 = approx 15Mb download)

 It amazes me that people will spend thousands of dollars on their
 instruments, including microphones and preamps and other miscellaneous
 recording gear, and then balk at shelling out $700 for a DAT.  Instead
 they go for a $200 MD.  (I'm just going with rock bottom here.) And then
 they throw away a lot of the signal.  Does it sound great?  Yes.  Does
 it sound as good as it could?  No.  Plus you have severely 
 degraded your chances of future restoration possibilities.

What amazes me more, is people who spend $1000's on Hi-Fi and put it
in a 10'x10' room, full of furniture and wonder why it doesn't sound 
that good.
 
 MD has many uses.  Long Play mode is one of them.  Recording music is
 one of them.  I will even go so far as to suggest that recording music
 in a LP mode is one of them (oh, no! heresy!)  But don't delude yourself
 that you are getting high quality recordings in whatever MD mode you
 use.

Don't delude yourself you are getting an "exact" copy, but do recognise
that using 5:1 compression, MD is probably giving you the best damn
"real time" compressed recording available.  "Fitness of use"  :)


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Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900

2001-01-09 Thread J. Coon


Using the earphones works in a pinch but you are better off making or
buying a condenser mike.  Here is one that I designed that work well,
and the parts cost about $10.
http://www.tir.com/~liteways/Mandolin.html#Microphone

Anthony Lalande wrote:

 On the other hand, a friend of mine has discovered that he was able to get
 quite a clear sound by plugging his earphones in the microphone jack. I
 listened to a recording he made with a friend, each person talking in one
 side of the earphone, and the stereo separation gives interesting results
 when listening to the recording. 


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Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900

2001-01-08 Thread Dan Frakes


Leon:

Thanks for the info/translation! Exactly what I was looking for.
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Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900

2001-01-08 Thread Sh0rTy515


does LP sound good? thats what i want to know. Cuz i just go tthe sony 
MZ-R90. .

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RE: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900

2001-01-08 Thread Francisco J. Huerta


But the MZ-R90 doesn't suppport LP...

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 does LP sound good? thats what i want to know. Cuz i just go tthe sony 
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Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900

2001-01-08 Thread Sh0rTy515


i know, i wanted to know if LP sounds as good as regular recording  
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Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900

2001-01-08 Thread J. Coon


I guess it would sound good if you always listened to it in heavy
traffic riding on the bus.   I think for serious listening or recording,
you are better off with standard MD. 

Some infidels look down on MD as inferior because it uses ATRAC in the
first place, can you imagine their comments on the new LP stuff.  "Wow,
have you heard those MD recorders? They sure play a long time but the
sound is crap!"


Just my humble opinion of course.  I'll stick to regular MD any time.

I have recorded  on my R30 and got a copy that was good enough to submit
for a CD compilation, and so have a lot of other people.  I'm sure they
won't be able to do that with the LP mode.



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Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900

2001-01-08 Thread las


"J. Coon" wrote:

 I have recorded  on my R30 and got a copy that was good enough to submit
 for a CD compilation, and so have a lot of other people.  I'm sure they
 won't be able to do that with the LP mode.


Jim are you saying that based on actual double blind listening studies that
you conducted?  OK, lets not get so technical.  Have you listened to both
and in your opinion with the trained ears of a musician and feel that
regular ATRAC sounds better?

After 25 years or so of having a highspeed drill blast my ears, I no longer
consider myself qualified to judge.

If you feel strongly enough that LP is not as good as standard MD, then that
is good enough for me.

Larry


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Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900

2001-01-08 Thread Dan Scellen


 After 25 years or so of having a highspeed drill blast my ears, I no
longer
 consider myself qualified to judge.

Well Larry, if you can't judge yourself, why not get more recording time?
People are so worried about what others think of their own idea of fidelity.
If you think LP4 sounds great, listen to it, and brag that you get 320
minutes of record time and are happy.  I love this board, but so many people
are worried about pleasing the few audiophiles that actually read these
messages. It's been a long day
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Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900

2001-01-08 Thread J. Coon


No, I haven't listened to it at all.  It is just that when I record
something, I want it  to be very close the original.  MD is very close
to CD quality.  However, from the reports of people that have posted
their experiance to the list,  they can tell a difference between
standard MD and LP mode.  As I recall, they said the extra long play
mode on some of the units is only good for recording lectures. 

LP isn't the quality I am looking for in MD equipment and I doubt if
anyone the plays music will want it either.  They aren't looking for
super long recordings, they are looking for high quality recordings so
they can use the material in the future if they want to.  

las wrote:
 
 "J. Coon" wrote:
 
  I have recorded  on my R30 and got a copy that was good enough to submit
  for a CD compilation, and so have a lot of other people.  I'm sure they
  won't be able to do that with the LP mode.
 
 
 Jim are you saying that based on actual double blind listening studies that
 you conducted?  OK, lets not get so technical.  Have you listened to both
 and in your opinion with the trained ears of a musician and feel that
 regular ATRAC sounds better?
 
 After 25 years or so of having a highspeed drill blast my ears, I no longer
 consider myself qualified to judge.
 
 If you feel strongly enough that LP is not as good as standard MD, then that
 is good enough for me.
 
 Larry
 
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Re: MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900

2001-01-07 Thread Leon


A summary from Sony's own comparison table in Japanese:
(http://www.walkman.sony.co.jp/prod/md_rec/kino.html)

All 3 are compatible with MDLP.

The E700 is functionally identical to the E900, but doesn't have magnesium
alloy casing.

weight - unit only / unit with rech. battery
E500 - 76g / 101g
E700 - 85g / 110g
E900 - 58g / 83 g

size including projecting parts:
E500 - 77 by 19 by 81mm
E700 - 80.5 by 15 by 75mm
E900 - 79.5 by 14 by 72mm

The E500 comes with Ni-Cd rechargeable battery (NC-6WM, 600mAh); its
supplied charger takes 3 hours to do a full charge.

The other two has Ni-MH (NH-14WM), but their chargers only take 1.5 hours to
fully charge the battery.

Playback on rechargeable battery only (SP/LP2/LP4):
E500 - 14/16/18 hours
E900 and E700 - 29/33/37 hours

All 3 have the same power consumption, though: they all achieve 42/49/58
hours on an AA alkaline battery.

the E500 doesn't have:
- personal disc memory
- program play
- playback speed control
- timer

The E500's remote display is not backlit.

However, according to a Japanese message board: a Sony remote that has
backlight will light up when plugged into the E500.


Leon


on 1/7/01 12:05 AM, Dan Frakes at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Has anyone seen a comprehensive comparisions of these three units? I'm
 looking at them on the Micmic web site and they are $195, $220 and $235,
 respectively. I see that there are slight differences in size, and I
 believe the E500 doesn't have LP mode, but I'd like to know exactly what
 each has relative to the others.
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MD: Sony E500 vs. E700 vs. E900

2001-01-06 Thread Dan Frakes


Has anyone seen a comprehensive comparisions of these three units? I'm 
looking at them on the Micmic web site and they are $195, $220 and $235, 
respectively. I see that there are slight differences in size, and I 
believe the E500 doesn't have LP mode, but I'd like to know exactly what 
each has relative to the others.
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