Re: MD: Speeding
From: "J. van de Griek" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeanmougin schrieb: I tought that when you burnt a CDR at speeds over 1x or 2x, u had more read errors. Well, that would be a problem with the CD burner, not with the player. If the burning device is of mediocre quality, or the media isn't all that, chances of burn errors or poorly readable result discs are higher. And that is probably what the originator of this thread meant. So, in that case, just try it out a couple of times, and if there's no problem, there's no problem! Indeed, that is exactly what I meant, does burning faster sort of produce less well defined discs, perhaps less discrimination between reflectivity of 1's and 0's, less sharp edges because the laser is having to turn on and off from a higher power and the higher heat on the disc sort of blurs the bits slightly, or something... The related topics which have come up have also been very interesting however. Many thanks. Yours, PrinceGaz. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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"J. van de Griek" wrote: See, the problem in this situation is that the actual problem itself can be anywhere in either the burner, the media, the player, or in a combination of any of them... Hopefully, more and more drives will start coming out with "burnproof" technology, like the Plextor. That will end this debate. The real problem is the software/hardware combination. Like burnproof technology, a drive should be able to know when to write and when to wait. Kind of like printer spooling. You store enough the information so that where will be no buffer problems. The drive should have control over whether it writes or not if they information isn't streaming fast enough. Remember the old Star Trek where "Nomad" the "changeling" feeds the information to the ships computer faster then the computer can take it and the computer starts to smoke? The next time that it was going to transfer information, Spock (e.g. the "burnproof" technology) politely asked Nomad not to "send the data faster than the computer could handle it". Of course there is the occasional disc problem-some brands just seem to have problems with some drives. My daughter once had an HP drive that she had to return because it would only write to HP discs. But that's no assurance that an HP disc is good. I have had trouble with HP discs in my external HP drive from time to time. Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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las wrote: "J. van de Griek" wrote: See, the problem in this situation is that the actual problem itself can be anywhere in either the burner, the media, the player, or in a combination of any of them... Hopefully, more and more drives will start coming out with "burnproof" technology, like the Plextor. That will end this debate. The real problem is the software/hardware combination. Like burnproof technology, a drive should be able to know when to write and when to wait. Kind of like printer spooling. You store enough the information so that where will be no buffer problems. Actually, it doesn't seem as if Mike has a buffer underrun problem; he *can* burn disks at 2x or 4x speeds, and they *can* be read by some of his CD equipment, but not by his living room stereo CD player. So the problem in this case is one of either media that do not come out clear enough when burned at speeds 1x, a player that cannot correctly read CDs that are burned too "loosely", or a burner that does not imprint the digital info onto the media enough when burning at higher speeds. Or a combination of these factors. Since he has already tried using different media, I think a combination of a weak burner and a shabby CD player is the most likely; either the burner doesn't leave enough imprint on the media at high speeds, or the player is bad at reading low-differential CD-Rs, or both. ,xtG .tsooJ -- Joost van de Griek Applications Developer Yacht ICT http://www.yachtgroup.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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JT wrote: Neither of those are accurate. The *.cda files are a virtual filesystem Windows 9x imposes on CDs. There are no files on am audio CD, just 44.1KHz PCM audio data. The CD burning program converts the waves to that data when it burns the CD. No, I stated just what you mentioned above as a possible explanation: "(if they can't then the wave files are somehow automatically converted.." Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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PrinceGaz a ecri: From: "J. van de Griek" [EMAIL PROTECTED] If the burning device is of mediocre quality, or the media isn't all that, chances of burn errors or poorly readable result discs are higher. And that is probably what the originator of this thread meant. So, in that case, just try it out a couple of times, and if there's no problem, there's no problem! Indeed, that is exactly what I meant, does burning faster sort of produce less well defined discs, perhaps less discrimination between reflectivity of 1's and 0's, less sharp edges because the laser is having to turn on and off from a higher power and the higher heat on the disc sort of blurs the bits slightly, or something... Yes. Sort of. See, the problem in this situation is that the actual problem itself can be anywhere in either the burner, the media, the player, or in a combination of any of them... When the disc is burned at a higher speed, the burner needs a more powerful laser to make sure the burn is sufficient, ensuring a good readable "one" or "zero". Also, the media needs to be susceptible enough to be burnt that fast, and finally the player needs to be sensitive enough to distinguish the ones and zeros on the disc. ,xtG .tsooJ -- Joost van de Griek Applications Developer Yacht ICT http://www.yachtgroup.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Are you sure you are using the correct burning method? It sounds to me like you are just copying mp3, wav, whatever to your cd? What is the file format of the tracks you are dragging over to your burner? You need to convert your audio files to *.cda (I think that's what it is) for CD players to be able to read it. That's probably why you can only play it in your cd-rom. Nathan White [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Burger Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 11:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MD: Speeding The burner is a Ricoh 6200S, running on an Adaptec 2940U2W. The only issue I've ever seen, really, is what I've described, when it comes to this type of burn. Other than the obvious overrun/underrun which occasionally happens, no matter what software/burner/interface, etc you use, this is it. The procedure for copying my audio CDs is no different the than the procedure for burning my data CDs...copy the tracks from the source CD to the target CD, click the burn button, click the finalize button, and voila...she is done. Like I said, I can play them in my other systems' CD-ROMs, but not on my CD Player...shrug Whatever...it's not like the issue is going to be solved, anyway. I've stopped burning audio CDs, anyhow, since I got my MD recorder. On Mon, 6 Nov 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where I "got that one from" was experience...I burned a couple of audio CDs (copying an audio CD in my CD-ROM drive to a CD-R in my burner) at 2x (maximum speed of my burner), and my Pioneer 6-disc changer in the next room could not play the CD. Any CD-ROM in the house could (and I have a number of systems to choose from in that regard), but no CD player. Well that's strange. No offense, but either your CD burner sucks, your CD players suck, or you didn't close the disc. I have burned audio CDs at 12x and had no problem playing them =) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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"J. van de Griek" wrote: You didn;t see that noted because it's hogwash. Burn your audio CD's as fast as you want, your CD player will still play them at 1x speed, since that's what it's designed to do. That's right. I wonder where Mike got that one from? I think that he has either MP3 files or something mixed up with standard audio wave files. All CD players can read standard CDs (which are "virtual" files-if you ever check a standard audio file is registers on Windows Explorer as being 1 KB) and wave files. But either way the information is digital. It doesn't matter how fast you get the ones and zeros there. Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jeanmougin wrote: I tought that when you burnt a CDR at speeds over 1x or 2x, u had more read errors. Not if your equipment can handle the speed. Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That is more like due to a problem in the media or the player not the burner... Btw, I am new to the list...just saying "Sup!?!" :) - Original Message - From: "Mike Burger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 9:10 AM Subject: Re: MD: Speeding Wish I could concur...I have a Ricoh 2x burner, and when I burned my audio CDs at 2x, my Pioneer CD player wouldn't play them. My other CD-ROMS would read them just fine, but my regular audio equipment would not. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mike Burger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where I "got that one from" was experience...I burned a couple of audio CDs (copying an audio CD in my CD-ROM drive to a CD-R in my burner) at 2x (maximum speed of my burner), and my Pioneer 6-disc changer in the next room could not play the CD. Any CD-ROM in the house could (and I have a number of systems to choose from in that regard), but no CD player. When I burned new copies of the same CDs at 1x, they worked fine in any CD *player* I own, as well as the various CD-ROM drives. That's simply because data drives have a higher tolerance for errors than audio drives. The speed you burn at is irrelevant -- if it were possible, you could burn at 100x and as long as the errors were minimal it would play on an audio CD player just fine. The above scenario means that your burner had too many errors at 2x but far fewer at 1x. CD's pressed by the standard CD manufacturing process are just that -- pressed. They have physical pits on the surface of the disk that create lighter or darker segments that reflect the laser pickup differently. On "burned" CDs, there are none of these surface variations. The burner simply... uh... "burns" the media so that it appears to be darker or lighter. This provides similar reflective properties, but it isn't as effective as pressed media. One reason audio players are so bad at error-correction is that they were all designed for production-grade audio CDs. Audio players' error tolerance is designed with the "normal" error rate of "pressed" CD assumed. When you put in a burned CD, which has far more errors, the audio player often has trouble. This is also a good way to test the error-correction of your various audio players ;) I suspect that this will be less of a problem in future audio players -- now that CD burners are more common, my guess is that audio player manufacturers are going to be improving the level of error correction on their players. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I use Easy CD Creator, and I have to decide if it will be a data CD or an audio CD that will play on any Cd player before I start the recording. Mike Burger wrote: The procedure for copying my audio CDs is no different the than the procedure for burning my data CDs...copy the tracks from the source CD to the target CD, click the burn button, click the finalize button, and voila...she is done. -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Where I "got that one from" was experience...I burned a couple of audio CDs (copying an audio CD in my CD-ROM drive to a CD-R in my burner) at 2x (maximum speed of my burner), and my Pioneer 6-disc changer in the next room could not play the CD. Any CD-ROM in the house could (and I have a number of systems to choose from in that regard), but no CD player. Well that's strange. No offense, but either your CD burner sucks, your CD players suck, or you didn't close the disc. I have burned audio CDs at 12x and had no problem playing them =) JT - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It's digital. As long as there are ones and zeros to be read correctly, it will work. If it keeps getting coasters at 6x, you have a problem. If not, you are ok. PrinceGaz wrote: I've finally replaced my Creative Labs CD burner with a drive which actually works, the Ricoh MP9060A which can burn CD-R at up to 6x. My question is, assuming the PC can get the data to the drive quick enough to avoid under-runs (which it can) is there any disadvantage to burning at 6x (the discs I have are rated for up to 8x burning) rather than 4x? -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* "J. Coon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon, 06 Nov 2000 | I think you are wrong on that. He is wrong on that. I burn at 4x-8x and play on several different CD players, no problems. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Caution: Happy Fun Ball may suddenly Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ accelerate to dangerous speeds. PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Wish I could concur...I have a Ricoh 2x burner, and when I burned my audio CDs at 2x, my Pioneer CD player wouldn't play them. My other CD-ROMS would read them just fine, but my regular audio equipment would not. On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, J. van de Griek wrote: Mike Burger wrote: The one thing that I didn't see noted, yet, is that if you're burning CDs for use in regular CD players, it doesn't matter how fast your burner can run...you still need to burn the CD at 1x for a regular CD player to read them. You didn;t see that noted because it's hogwash. Burn your audio CD's as fast as you want, your CD player will still play them at 1x speed, since that's what it's designed to do. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, las wrote: "J. van de Griek" wrote: You didn;t see that noted because it's hogwash. Burn your audio CD's as fast as you want, your CD player will still play them at 1x speed, since that's what it's designed to do. That's right. I wonder where Mike got that one from? I think that he has either MP3 files or something mixed up with standard audio wave files. I don't burn MP3s to CD...waste of resources, IMO, since I don't have a CD player capable of playing MP3s...only standard CDs. Where I "got that one from" was experience...I burned a couple of audio CDs (copying an audio CD in my CD-ROM drive to a CD-R in my burner) at 2x (maximum speed of my burner), and my Pioneer 6-disc changer in the next room could not play the CD. Any CD-ROM in the house could (and I have a number of systems to choose from in that regard), but no CD player. When I burned new copies of the same CDs at 1x, they worked fine in any CD *player* I own, as well as the various CD-ROM drives. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === The one thing that I didn't see noted, yet, is that if you're burning CDs for use in regular CD players, it doesn't matter how fast your burner can run...you still need to burn the CD at 1x for a regular CD player to read them. On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, J. Coon wrote: It's digital. As long as there are ones and zeros to be read correctly, it will work. If it keeps getting coasters at 6x, you have a problem. If not, you are ok. PrinceGaz wrote: I've finally replaced my Creative Labs CD burner with a drive which actually works, the Ricoh MP9060A which can burn CD-R at up to 6x. My question is, assuming the PC can get the data to the drive quick enough to avoid under-runs (which it can) is there any disadvantage to burning at 6x (the discs I have are rated for up to 8x burning) rather than 4x? - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === I don't think it's necessarily a problem with either, to tell the truth...IU've had hte same thing happen with Verbatim, Memorex, Imation, and no-name CDs. Doesn't matter. On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, I Can Not Tell You wrote: That is more like due to a problem in the media or the player not the burner... Btw, I am new to the list...just saying "Sup!?!" :) - Original Message - From: "Mike Burger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 9:10 AM Subject: Re: MD: Speeding Wish I could concur...I have a Ricoh 2x burner, and when I burned my audio CDs at 2x, my Pioneer CD player wouldn't play them. My other CD-ROMS would read them just fine, but my regular audio equipment would not. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Mike Burger wrote: The one thing that I didn't see noted, yet, is that if you're burning CDs for use in regular CD players, it doesn't matter how fast your burner can run...you still need to burn the CD at 1x for a regular CD player to read them. You didn;t see that noted because it's hogwash. Burn your audio CD's as fast as you want, your CD player will still play them at 1x speed, since that's what it's designed to do. ,xtG .tsooJ -- Joost van de Griek Applications Developer Yacht ICT http://www.yachtgroup.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === I tought that when you burnt a CDR at speeds over 1x or 2x, u had more read errors. "J. van de Griek" a *crit : Mike Burger wrote: The one thing that I didn't see noted, yet, is that if you're burning CDs for use in regular CD players, it doesn't matter how fast your burner can run...you still need to burn the CD at 1x for a regular CD player to read them. You didn;t see that noted because it's hogwash. Burn your audio CD's as fast as you want, your CD player will still play them at 1x speed, since that's what it's designed to do. ,xtG .tsooJ -- Joost van de Griek Applications Developer Yacht ICT http://www.yachtgroup.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jeanmougin schrieb: I tought that when you burnt a CDR at speeds over 1x or 2x, u had more read errors. Well, that would be a problem with the CD burner, not with the player. If the burning device is of mediocre quality, or the media isn't all that, chances of burn errors or poorly readable result discs are higher. And that is probably what the originator of this thread meant. So, in that case, just try it out a couple of times, and if there's no problem, there's no problem! ,xtG .tsooJ -- Joost van de Griek Applications Developer Yacht ICT http://www.yachtgroup.com/ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === EZ CD Creator 4.0 can actually support drag and drop MP3. It will be converted to wave file on the fly to burn to audio cd. - Original Message - From: "Nathan White" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 10:37 PM Subject: RE: MD: Speeding Larry wrote: Nate, I'm not sure if that is accurate. I believe that a CD player can also read wave files (if they can't then the wave files are somehow automatically converted because I copy wave files to CDRs all of the time and play them on regular CD players (you have to close the disc) Are you sure? That's news to me. Thanks for clearing that up. Maybe he is transferring his mp3 directly to the disc then. A long shot, but its possible. I assumed the wav files were automatically converted to *.cda, but I could be wrong. Later, Nathan White [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of las Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 11:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MD: Speeding Nathan White wrote: You need to convert your audio files to *.cda (I think that's what it is) for CD players to be able to read it. That's probably why you can only play it in your cd-rom. Nate, I'm not sure if that is accurate. I believe that a CD player can also read wave files (if they can't then the wave files are somehow automatically converted because I copy wave files to CDRs all of the time and play them on regular CD players (you have to close the disc) Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The burner is a Ricoh 6200S, running on an Adaptec 2940U2W. The only issue I've ever seen, really, is what I've described, when it comes to this type of burn. Other than the obvious overrun/underrun which occasionally happens, no matter what software/burner/interface, etc you use, this is it. The procedure for copying my audio CDs is no different the than the procedure for burning my data CDs...copy the tracks from the source CD to the target CD, click the burn button, click the finalize button, and voila...she is done. Like I said, I can play them in my other systems' CD-ROMs, but not on my CD Player...shrug Whatever...it's not like the issue is going to be solved, anyway. I've stopped burning audio CDs, anyhow, since I got my MD recorder. On Mon, 6 Nov 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where I "got that one from" was experience...I burned a couple of audio CDs (copying an audio CD in my CD-ROM drive to a CD-R in my burner) at 2x (maximum speed of my burner), and my Pioneer 6-disc changer in the next room could not play the CD. Any CD-ROM in the house could (and I have a number of systems to choose from in that regard), but no CD player. Well that's strange. No offense, but either your CD burner sucks, your CD players suck, or you didn't close the disc. I have burned audio CDs at 12x and had no problem playing them =) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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=== The original message was multipart MIME=== === All non-text parts (attachments) have been removed === Hi I have been into recording for a long time, and in a perfect setting = with no burps of the software and with no quirks with the burner; speed = should not matter much. In reality though you will get a more accurate = copy with most drives at a slower speed. I routinely burn at 4X with no = troubles. The most important factor to consider is the blank you use. Unlike MD, = CDR media has a wide range of quality and not all will even be = recognized in a picky cd player. Look for blanks that are rated for 1X = recording; a 1X-12X blank usually is an excellent choice. Watch out for = 2X-8X or 4X-12X as a lot of these will have problems playing in some = boom box's or automotive deck's. High quality gear will usually play = and correct any flaws in the process but there are still many cheaper = units out there giving problems with the lower quality blanks which are = known to have error rates well above what the low end decks can correct. For more information regarding quality blanks, visit my website at = www.musicmixers.com/mall and click on the about CDR link. - Original Message -=20 From: "Mike Burger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 7:23 AM Subject: Re: MD: Speeding On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, las wrote: =20 =20 "J. van de Griek" wrote: =20 You didn;t see that noted because it's hogwash. Burn your audio CD's as fast as you want, your CD player will = still play them at 1x speed, since that's what it's designed to do. That's right. I wonder where Mike got that one from? I think = that he has either MP3 files or something mixed up with standard audio wave = files. =20 I don't burn MP3s to CD...waste of resources, IMO, since I don't have = a=20 CD player capable of playing MP3s...only standard CDs. =20 Where I "got that one from" was experience...I burned a couple of = audio=20 CDs (copying an audio CD in my CD-ROM drive to a CD-R in my burner) at = 2x=20 (maximum speed of my burner), and my Pioneer 6-disc changer in the = next=20 room could not play the CD. Any CD-ROM in the house could (and I have = a=20 number of systems to choose from in that regard), but no CD player. =20 When I burned new copies of the same CDs at 1x, they worked fine in = any=20 CD *player* I own, as well as the various CD-ROM drives. =20 === MIME part removed : text/html; === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Nathan White wrote: You need to convert your audio files to *.cda (I think that's what it is) for CD players to be able to read it. That's probably why you can only play it in your cd-rom. Nate, I'm not sure if that is accurate. I believe that a CD player can also read wave files (if they can't then the wave files are somehow automatically converted because I copy wave files to CDRs all of the time and play them on regular CD players (you have to close the disc) Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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yea...like i said the media _OR_ the player...many consumer entertaintment products...especially older ones dont have the laser that will recognize cdr/cdrw but the newer ones do...tho one thing i noticed is that sometimes blank audio cds are recognized but not at all times I don't think it's necessarily a problem with either, to tell the truth...IU've had hte same thing happen with Verbatim, Memorex, Imation, and no-name CDs. Doesn't matter. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 6 Nov 2000, at 9:39, Les@musicmixers wrote: The most important factor to consider is the blank you use. Unlike MD, CDR media has a wide range of quality and not all will even be recognized in a picky cd player. This cannot be stressed enough. Especially with CDRW's. And just because the maker is a large company does not mean they are good blanks. In my experience, TDK makes the best CDRW's (4x rated), but some of the worst CDRs (the aluminum layer tends to flake/peel off). A Sony 4x-rated CDRW I had got corrupted, and this has been reported by several other people too (check http://resource.simplenet.com ) -- JT - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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You need to convert your audio files to *.cda (I think that's what it is) for CD players to be able to read it. Nate, I'm not sure if that is accurate. I believe that a CD player can also read wave files (if they can't then the wave files are somehow automatically converted because I copy wave files to CDRs all of the time and play them on regular CD players (you have to close the disc) Neither of those are accurate. The *.cda files are a virtual filesystem Windows 9x imposes on CDs. There are no files on am audio CD, just 44.1KHz PCM audio data. The CD burning program converts the waves to that data when it burns the CD. Check out http://www.fadden.com/cdrfaq for more info. -- JT - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Mike Burger wrote: ..I burned a couple of audio CDs (copying an audio CD in my CD-ROM drive to a CD-R in my burner) at 2x (maximum speed of my burner), and my Pioneer 6-disc changer in the next room could not play the CD. Any CD-ROM in the house could (and I have a number of systems to choose from in that regard), but no CD player. When I burned new copies of the same CDs at 1x, they worked fine in any CD *player* I own, as well as the various CD-ROM drives. sounds like an equipment problem to me. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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PrinceGaz wrote: is there any disadvantage to burning at 6x (the discs I have are rated for up to 8x burning) rather than 4x? I'd rather not go back to 2x burning but would a slightly slower than max speed; 4x rather than 6x give better more readable discs and be worth the extra six or so minutes needed. Not if you have a super fast system. But trying to keep the flow going at that rate can be difficult for most systems. I'd make sure that I closed down every other program when I was using it if I were you. I really like the Plextor 12X drive. They have their "burn proof" technology that will go back and "wait" if necessary so that you don't get any under runs. That may slow things down a little, but at 12 times, on a fast computer, it "spits" out the CDs. Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
