Re: [MeeGo-dev] Device Management

2010-10-29 Thread sakari.poussa
Hi,

Are you talking about OMA DM ? If so, no work is being done. It's a huge
item.

-sakari


On 29/10/10 9:52 AM, ext Clark, Joel joel.cl...@intel.com wrote:

 Is any work being done in MeeGo to define a standardized framework and APIs
 for device management?
  
 regards
 Joel
  

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[MeeGo-dev] Meego 1.1 source code

2010-10-29 Thread praveen pandey
Hi,

Meego 1.1 release has come and I can download the image. I could not locate
ia32 and src packages for 1.1.
Is it released ? if yes can you share the link.
If no, when is the release planned

BR,
PP
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Re: [MeeGo-dev] Meego 1.1 source code

2010-10-29 Thread Carsten Munk
2010/10/29 praveen pandey praveen.pan...@gmail.com:
 Hi,

 Meego 1.1 release has come and I can download the image. I could not locate
 ia32 and src packages for 1.1.
 Is it released ? if yes can you share the link.
 If no, when is the release planned

 BR,
 PP

http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/source/ and find
handset in similar manner.

BR
Carsten Munk
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Re: [MeeGo-dev] Device Management

2010-10-29 Thread cwh110119
sb laji

At 2010-10-29,Clark, Joel joel.cl...@intel.com wrote:


Is any work being done in MeeGo to define a standardized framework and APIs for 
device management?

 

regards

Joel

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Re: [MeeGo-dev] Meego Bugs Access Denied

2010-10-29 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 21:08, Ryan Ware ryan.r.w...@intel.com wrote:

 Thanks for the understanding on security issues.  I know that this
 discussion wasn't really kicked off because of a bug with security concerns,
 but I wanted to put my position on that out to the community because it was
 subsequently brought up.

Agreed. I wonder if there's something that can be done with Bugzilla
where security bugs are hidden but the user is told *why* it is
hidden. You are not authorised to see this bug as it concerns an
in-progress security issue is more useful than You are not
authorised to see this bug [because someone may have gone back to old
default closed processes]. The lack of information can lead to the
frustration in this thread - especially if there are still mistakes
slipping through (such as #8474).

Cheers,

Andrew

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Re: [MeeGo-dev] Meego Bugs Access Denied

2010-10-29 Thread Igor Stoppa
Hi,
On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 09:22 +0100, ext Andrew Flegg wrote:
 The lack of information can lead to the
 frustration in this thread - especially if there are still mistakes
 slipping through (such as #8474).

Let's try to clarify some aspect that seems to be going under the radar.
Here we are dealing also with 3rd party IPs, including - mostly - HW/FW.

While the goal is obviously to be as open as possible, it's a fact hat
some _HW_ companies might get - rightfully - touchy if their data is
published in an uncontrolled way.

There are processes in place to ensure that data is published in a
controlled way, but they take time.

#8474 was a mistake in the sense that it should have not gone public at
all - at least not now. And the following glitch closed-public-closed
was another thing that could have been avoided.

Said this, I think it must be accepted that we are not very close yet to
the point where also HW design and FW source code are open, so it will
be inevitable that some bugs will be tracked all the way down to the
lower levels and then the visibility will stop.

This is not peculiar to MeeGo and affects also other open projects (see
kernel vs ACPI bios) where eventually bug tracking hits the wall of non
public IPs and the.

The only difference is that here we are addressing end-to-end use cases
with all the bugs kept in one single repository and therefore some
access control must be exerted.


cheers, igor


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Re: [MeeGo-dev] Device Management

2010-10-29 Thread Clark, Joel
OK so it's not OMA-DM. Any other work being done in MeeGo to define a 
standardized framework and APIs for device management?

regards
Joel


-Original Message-
From: sakari.pou...@nokia.com [mailto:sakari.pou...@nokia.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:16 AM
To: Clark, Joel; meego-dev@meego.com
Subject: Re: [MeeGo-dev] Device Management

Hi,

Are you talking about OMA DM ? If so, no work is being done. It's a huge
item.

-sakari


On 29/10/10 9:52 AM, ext Clark, Joel joel.cl...@intel.com wrote:

 Is any work being done in MeeGo to define a standardized framework and APIs
 for device management?
  
 regards
 Joel
  

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Re: [MeeGo-dev] libglx.so for virtualbox

2010-10-29 Thread CSJ
Hi, Haitao,

Thanks a lot.

2010/10/28 Feng, Haitao haitao.f...@intel.com

 Hi CSJ,

 You need to modify and build the Xorg code to get libglx.so.

 The modification is in:
xserver/glx/glxdriswrast.c:__glXDRIscreenProbe,
 change from
screen-base.GLXmajor = 1;
screen-base.GLXminor = 4;
 to
screen-base.GLXmajor = 1;
screen-base.GLXminor = 2;

 This is only for MeeGo 05-24 image. Currently the issue has been fixed and
 clutter could be started up by software rendering, so for latest MeeGo
 netbook
 image, you do not need this step any more. However, you still need to set
 the
 suid for guest Xorg.

 Thanks
 -Haitao

 On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 02:08:46PM +0800, CSJ wrote:
  Hi, all
 
  In Meego wiki:
  http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox
 
  mentioned Download Libglx.so.gz
Replace libglx.so for an X issue, this libglx.so will put glx version
 to 1.2,
  instead of 1.4.
 
  is there any source code of this libglx.so?
  Or say, where does this libglx.so com from?
 
  Thanks,
  CSJ
 

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Re: [MeeGo-dev] Meego Bugs Access Denied

2010-10-29 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Freitag, den 29.10.2010, 12:16 +0300 schrieb Marius Vollmer:
 I think we have traditionally been worried about someone _filing_ a bug
 in a public place that he has found on secret hardware.
 
 For example, Nokia might pay someone to test MeeGo software on an
 upcoming super secret phone model, and the tester then files the bug
 he/she finds, dutifully identifying the exact hardware device has has
 used. which gived away the existence of that device, it's code name,
 some hints about a schedule, maybe some hardware features, etc.

The danger can be decreased by teaching people how to identify secret
information  good behavior but of course that takes time and efforts.

(And in general it is possible for Bugzilla admins to only set a
specific comment in a report to Private instead of the complete
report.)

andre
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Re: [MeeGo-dev] Meego Bugs Access Denied

2010-10-29 Thread Igor Stoppa
On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 12:16 +0300, Marius Vollmer wrote:
 ext Igor Stoppa igor.sto...@nokia.com writes:
 
  Said this, I think it must be accepted that we are not very close yet to
  the point where also HW design and FW source code are open, so it will
  be inevitable that some bugs will be tracked all the way down to the
  lower levels and then the visibility will stop.
 
 But that doesn't mean that the whole history of the bug so far has to be
 hidden.  Simply saying that the issue is now tracked somewhere else and
 that you will come back with the result should be enough.

If things go well, yes, you are correct.

In the specific case things didn't go well and it was too late.

AFAIK it's not possible to partially censor a bug and hide only some
comments.

cheers, igor

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Re: [MeeGo-dev] Meego Bugs Access Denied

2010-10-29 Thread Andre Klapper
Am Freitag, den 29.10.2010, 13:11 +0300 schrieb Igor Stoppa:
 AFAIK it's not possible to partially censor a bug and hide only some
 comments.

It is possible.
For admins there is a Private checkbox next to every comment that
enables only insidergroup members (defined in the Bugzilla group
security configuration) to view the comment.

andre
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Re: [MeeGo-dev] Meego Bugs Access Denied

2010-10-29 Thread Igor Stoppa
On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 11:45 +0200, ext Andre Klapper wrote:
 Am Freitag, den 29.10.2010, 13:11 +0300 schrieb Igor Stoppa:
  AFAIK it's not possible to partially censor a bug and hide only some
  comments.
 
 It is possible.
 For admins there is a Private checkbox next to every comment that
 enables only insidergroup members (defined in the Bugzilla group
 security configuration) to view the comment.

Oh! thanks for the explanation

Well, then i guess it's a matter of going over these bugs and filtering
them ... I see no problem as long as it's done by someone with enough
security clearance to read them and competence to understand them.

cheers, igor

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Re: [MeeGo-dev] DVB support on MeeGo

2010-10-29 Thread Michał Sawicz
Dnia 2010-10-29, pią o godzinie 10:04 +0530, vijay singh pisze:
 Please let me know if any one tested DVB-t on MeeGo or any plan to
 provide support for all DVB device in MeeGo. 

Can you confirm that this adapter works with other distributions? If
that's the case, the main issue would be to ship the drivers - maybe as
a separate package?

Also it needs verifying that gstreamer is built with dvb support for
meego - that could probably be shipped as a separate package, too. A
media player with dvb support (i.e. Totem) would also be needed.

IMO there are many USB DVB-T dongles and it would be great if MeeGo
could support them out of the box or after just installing some 'TV
Support' metapackage.

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[MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Backup Framework

2010-10-29 Thread Sivan Greenberg
Hi List,

 I was wondering where one can read about the backup framework as
mentioned in [0] ? As the developer of several backup solution both
closed and open source, I'm interested in having a complete dummy poof
backup system for MeeGo; that is, other that storing your contacts and
personal preferences, also the storage you've used on your device to
keep your photos, music, files etc.

Also I wonder if ownCloud[1] was taken in consideration when creating
the framework? I reckon it could be a viable solution as a storage
sync back end, and is inline with other PIM services.

Thanks,

-Sivan

[0]: http://conference2010.meego.com/session/backuprestore-meego
[1]: http://owncloud.org/index.php/Main_Page
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Re: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Backup Framework

2010-10-29 Thread Dave Neary
Hi,

Sivan Greenberg wrote:
  I was wondering where one can read about the backup framework as
 mentioned in [0] ? As the developer of several backup solution both
 closed and open source, I'm interested in having a complete dummy poof
 backup system for MeeGo; that is, other that storing your contacts and
 personal preferences, also the storage you've used on your device to
 keep your photos, music, files etc.

I would also be interested in knowing who is developing the MeeGo
back-up framework. There is a long-standing open Maemo bug about
insufficient/out of date documentation I don't know where to get
information about: http://bugs.maemo.org/6250

By the way, like the new URL? Thanks to Ferenc for doing the config
changes from http://bugs.maemo.org/7107 - the same config change has
been proposed for MeeGo in http://bugs.meego.com/1128 - Oops! Doesn't
work yet :)

Cheers,
Dave.

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Re: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Backup Framework

2010-10-29 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Dave Neary dne...@maemo.org wrote:
 By the way, like the new URL? Thanks to Ferenc for doing the config
 changes from http://bugs.maemo.org/7107 - the same config change has
 been proposed for MeeGo in http://bugs.meego.com/1128 - Oops! Doesn't
 work yet :)

Yeah! It is much better to be able to reference bugs like this.
Regarding docs btw, I think we should mandate to work the TTD way as
in turning the Requirements -- Docs -- Tests -- Code.

That will enable the new MeeGo framework to be properly documented
rather than docs being an after thought.

-Sivan
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[MeeGo-dev] [PATCH] Fixed: BMC#7052 - Some index letters of Video application are not displayed

2010-10-29 Thread Jukka Selesniemi
Hello,

This is a fix for BMC#7052. Please review.

Regards,
Jukka Selesniemi

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Re: [MeeGo-dev] MeeGo Backup Framework

2010-10-29 Thread Sivan Greenberg
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Sateesh Babu sateesh.kav...@gmail.com wrote:
 Right now there is no working backup solution for MeeGo. There are initial
 set of
 requirement created [2] for the backup framework (some still unclear ATM).
 The
 idea is to share and exchange more information about the backup framework in
 the upcoming MeeGo conference. Would be quite happy to get inputs from
 someone
 quite experience in this area.

Very well. As I'm quite experienced with backup systems (one open
source example is hubackup[0]) I will go over the requirements list
and start working to solve unclarity.

My end goal would be dummy proof system to allow maximized testing of
new releases and upgrades by the community.

 Support of online backup services is an open question (see [3]). It would be
 nice to
 have a reference service for MeeGo and maybe OwnCloud could be considered.
 Feel
 free to comment further in the feature requests for backup/restore.

Will do, a quick note, out of my experience it is much more viable to
have users backup to either online storage, or their own private clone
of the online storage service. My backup solution tried to enable
optical medium backups and that proved to be erronous and require
tremendous effort in planning workflow that would instruct a user To
do the right thing (tm).

Cheers!

-Sivan

[0]: 
http://www.ubuntugeek.com/hubackup-backup-application-for-ubuntu-home-users.html
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[MeeGo-dev] [PATCH] Fixed: BMC#7052 - Some index letters of Video application are not displayed

2010-10-29 Thread Jukka Selesniemi
Added portrait and landscape modes for AlphabetItem in stylesheet file and used 
relative rather than absolute size definitions.

Signed-off-by: Jukka Selesniemi ext-jukka.selesni...@nokia.com
---
 themes/base/style/meegovideo.css |   45 -
 1 files changed, 34 insertions(+), 11 deletions(-)

diff --git a/themes/base/style/meegovideo.css b/themes/base/style/meegovideo.css
index 7944cde..c2778cd 100644
--- a/themes/base/style/meegovideo.css
+++ b/themes/base/style/meegovideo.css
@@ -40,11 +40,11 @@ MApplicationPageStyle.Portrait {
 maximum-size: 100% 52px;
 
 margin-left: 0;
-margin-top:  0px;
-margin-right: 0px;
-margin-bottom: 15px;
-padding-left: 20px;
-padding-top: 0px;
+margin-top:  0;
+margin-right: 0;
+margin-bottom: 0;
+padding-left: 0;
+padding-top: 0;
 padding-right: 0;
 padding-bottom: 0;
 
@@ -181,10 +181,10 @@ MApplicationPageStyle.Portrait {
 maximum-size: 100% -1;
 
 margin-left: 0;
-margin-top: 90px;
+margin-top: $HEIGHT_NAVIGATIONBAR;
 margin-right: 0;
 margin-bottom: 0;
-padding-left: 20px;
+padding-left: 0;
 padding-top: 0;
 padding-right: 0;
 padding-bottom: 0;
@@ -198,10 +198,10 @@ MApplicationPageStyle.Portrait {
 background-image: landscape-crumbbar-bg;
 }
 
-#AlphabetItem {
-minimum-size: 30px 30px;
-preferred-size: 30px 30px;
-maximum-size: 30px 30px;
+#AlphabetItem.Landscape {
+minimum-size: 1% -1;
+preferred-size: 100% -1;
+maximum-size: 100% -1;
 
 margin-left: 0;
 margin-top: 0;
@@ -221,6 +221,29 @@ MApplicationPageStyle.Portrait {
 horizontal-text-align: center;
 }
 
+#AlphabetItem.Portrait {
+minimum-size: 1% -1;
+preferred-size: 100% -1;
+maximum-size: 100% -1;
+
+margin-left: 0;
+margin-top: 0;
+margin-right: 0;
+margin-bottom: 0;
+
+text-margin-left: 0;
+text-margin-top: 0;
+text-margin-right: 0;
+text-margin-bottom: 0;
+
+background-image:;
+background-color:;
+text-color: #d6d6d6;
+font: Droid Sans 18px;
+vertical-text-align: center;
+horizontal-text-align: center;
+}
+
 #AlphabetItem:pressed {
 text-color: yellow;
 }
-- 
1.7.0.4

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[MeeGo-dev] [PATCH] Fixed: BMC#7052 - Some index letters of Video application are not displayed

2010-10-29 Thread Jukka Selesniemi
Hello,

This is a fix for BMC#7052. Please review.

Regards,
Jukka Selesniemi

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[MeeGo-dev] MoMs for the architecture meetings...

2010-10-29 Thread Naresh Mehta
Dear All,

I have been looking at: http://wiki.meego.com/Architecture/Meetings
and am not able to find the MoMs/logs for the meetings. Can someone
please point me to the featurelist/architecture for MeeGo 1.2 and
MeeGo 1.3?

-- 

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Re: [MeeGo-dev] DVB support on MeeGo

2010-10-29 Thread vijay singh
On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 11:58 +0200, Michał Sawicz wrote:
 Dnia 2010-10-29, pią o godzinie 10:04 +0530, vijay singh pisze:
  Please let me know if any one tested DVB-t on MeeGo or any plan to
  provide support for all DVB device in MeeGo. 
 
 Can you confirm that this adapter works with other distributions? If
 that's the case, the main issue would be to ship the drivers - maybe as
 a separate package?
 
 Also it needs verifying that gstreamer is built with dvb support for
 meego - that could probably be shipped as a separate package, too. A
 media player with dvb support (i.e. Totem) would also be needed.
 
 IMO there are many USB DVB-T dongles and it would be great if MeeGo
 could support them out of the box or after just installing some 'TV
 Support' metapackage.
 
it will work for Ubuntu10.04.


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Re: [MeeGo-dev] MoMs for the architecture meetings...

2010-10-29 Thread Saxena, Sunil
Dear Naresh,

I just uploaded this week's minutes on the wiki.

A rough draft of features under consideration for MeeGo Architecture is listed 
on the Architecture Wiki page under the title Upcoming Features. 

I have copied the meego-architecture mailing list on this thread as this 
discussion belongs on that list.

Thanks
Sunil
 -Original Message-
 From: meego-dev-boun...@meego.com [mailto:meego-dev-
 boun...@meego.com] On Behalf Of Naresh Mehta
 Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 4:20 AM
 To: meego-dev
 Subject: [MeeGo-dev] MoMs for the architecture meetings...
 
 Dear All,
 
 I have been looking at: http://wiki.meego.com/Architecture/Meetings
 and am not able to find the MoMs/logs for the meetings. Can someone
 please point me to the featurelist/architecture for MeeGo 1.2 and
 MeeGo 1.3?
 
 --
 
 BR; Naresh
 
 visit me at:
 http://www.naresh.se/
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[MeeGo-dev] OBS: Update 2.1.1 available

2010-10-29 Thread Martin Mohring
Hi,


I would like to mention that there is an update available to the OBS 2.1
series, 2.1.1, now:

http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-buildservice/2010-10/msg00239.html


Kind Regards,

Martin Mohring

OBS Maintainer

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Re: [MeeGo-dev] DVB support on MeeGo

2010-10-29 Thread Randolph Dohm
there are many open source apps to view DVB-T

http://sourceforge.net/search/?words=dvb-t

There is even a plugin for Audacious Player  and VLC player
Driver can be loaded from the webpage of the USB DVB-T Stick, there
are many with a linux driver..

But better adding a non-mico-usb port to add them, better add a DVB-T
chip into the phone.
and a second USB with USB to KOAXIAL adapter for the antenna.

2010/10/29 Michał Sawicz mic...@sawicz.net:

 Also it needs verifying that gstreamer is built with dvb support for
 meego - that could probably be shipped as a separate package, too. A
 media player with dvb support (i.e. Totem) would also be needed.
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Re: [MeeGo-dev] Meego 1.1 source code

2010-10-29 Thread Chris Ferron

 On 10/29/2010 12:25 AM, praveen pandey wrote:

Hi,

Meego 1.1 release has come and I can download the image. I could not 
locate ia32 and src packages for 1.1.

Is it released ? if yes can you share the link.
If no, when is the release planned

BR,
PP


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Offhand take a look that the following links.
-Chris Ferron

http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/ia32/packages/
http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/ia32/debug/
http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/source/
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Re: [MeeGo-dev] DVB support on MeeGo

2010-10-29 Thread Michał Sawicz
Dnia 2010-10-29, pią o godzinie 16:14 +0200, Randolph Dohm pisze:
 there are many open source apps to view DVB-T
 
 http://sourceforge.net/search/?words=dvb-t

Of course.

 There is even a plugin for Audacious Player  and VLC player
 Driver can be loaded from the webpage of the USB DVB-T Stick, there
 are many with a linux driver..

I suppose it's Banshee that should get DVB support for Netbook image, it
being the default _media_ player.

 But better adding a non-mico-usb port to add them, better add a DVB-T
 chip into the phone.
 and a second USB with USB to KOAXIAL adapter for the antenna. 

Sure, but that's kinda out of scope for MeeGo as a software platform.

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Re: [MeeGo-dev] DVB support on MeeGo

2010-10-29 Thread Michał Sawicz
Dnia 2010-10-29, pią o godzinie 21:34 +0200, Randolph Dohm pisze:
 http://tizi.tv/de/index.html
 
 http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/DVB-T-Empfaenger-mit-WLAN-Hotspot-fuer-iOS-Geraete-1127742.html
  

That doesn't really look like DVB support in MeeGo... It's the 'tizi'
that has a DVB-T tuner and streams received channel over WiFi (probably
using a proprietary protocol). Sure, it would work with MeeGo, provided
tizi would port the app to MeeGo or someone would write one. Not that
big of a market, though, IMO.

I'd rather have a DVB-T tuner built into the device (I seriously doubt
that will happen for any worldwide hardware, see [1]) or connectable
through USB.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Digital_broadcast_standards.svg

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Re: [MeeGo-dev] DVB support on MeeGo

2010-10-29 Thread Auke Kok

On 10/29/10 04:42, vijay singh wrote:

On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 11:58 +0200, Michał Sawicz wrote:

Dnia 2010-10-29, pią o godzinie 10:04 +0530, vijay singh pisze:

Please let me know if any one tested DVB-t on MeeGo or any plan to
provide support for all DVB device in MeeGo.


Can you confirm that this adapter works with other distributions? If
that's the case, the main issue would be to ship the drivers - maybe as
a separate package?


it will work for Ubuntu10.04.


I hate to say this, but the fact that it works in ubuntu does not mean 
anything, as there are too many applications in ubuntu that we will 
never be able to ship due to licensing restrictions etc. Is it shipped 
as part of a default unmodified upstream kernel? Does it require 
MPEG-licensed components?


Remember, DVB-t adapters generally are MPEG encoders and, in order to 
decode that, you need a MPEG-decoder and that means it can't be 
distributed freely without getting a License



Auke
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Re: [MeeGo-dev] Meego Bugs Access Denied

2010-10-29 Thread Auke Kok

On 10/29/10 02:28, Igor Stoppa wrote:

Hi,
On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 09:22 +0100, ext Andrew Flegg wrote:

The lack of information can lead to the
frustration in this thread - especially if there are still mistakes
slipping through (such as #8474).


Let's try to clarify some aspect that seems to be going under the radar.
Here we are dealing also with 3rd party IPs, including - mostly - HW/FW.

While the goal is obviously to be as open as possible, it's a fact hat
some _HW_ companies might get - rightfully - touchy if their data is
published in an uncontrolled way.

There are processes in place to ensure that data is published in a
controlled way, but they take time.

#8474 was a mistake in the sense that it should have not gone public at
all - at least not now. And the following glitch closed-public-closed
was another thing that could have been avoided.


this is a rather misrepresentation of the problem.

bug #8474 is in fact titled:

===
Bug 8474 - [1.2] org.oFono service can not be found on Dbus with 
voicecallhistory issue

===

There is nothing about this bug that should have been private to begin 
with. The real issue is that information was entered into this bug 
report that was irrelevant that forced me to reclose the bug (although I 
still highly object to this bug being closed).


here is the original core content of bug 8474:

===
1.Boot image to home screen. Check the default configuration of
/etc/ofonod/modem.conf [phonesim] section is commented.
2.Launch dialer, the dialog Fail to connect to org.ofonod.Manager: is 
ofonod

running? pops up while ofonod process is running.
3.Uncomment the [phonesim] section and make sure address is 127.0.0.1.
4.Dialer is uable to launcher from quick launch bar.
===

nothing in here that can't be disclosed and doesn't accurately describe 
the bug to begin with.


This bug should have been filed properly without referencing content 
that couldn't be disclosed, then the whole discussion would have never 
happened.


Auke

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Re: [MeeGo-dev] DVB support on MeeGo

2010-10-29 Thread Michał Sawicz
Dnia 2010-10-29, pią o godzinie 13:28 -0700, Auke Kok pisze:
 
 I hate to say this, but the fact that it works in ubuntu does not
 mean 
 anything, as there are too many applications in ubuntu that we will 
 never be able to ship due to licensing restrictions etc. Is it
 shipped 
 as part of a default unmodified upstream kernel? Does it require 
 MPEG-licensed components?

Support for DVB adapters (hardware) is there in upstream kernel, being
developed by the LinuxTV project [1]. A list of hardware supported
out-of-the box (provided the relevant kernel options are enabled) can be
found at [2]. A problem with USB devices is that a lot of them require
firmware to be loaded onto them, which I believe poses another legal
obstacle.

 Remember, DVB-t adapters generally are MPEG encoders and, in order to 
 decode that, you need a MPEG-decoder and that means it can't be 
 distributed freely without getting a License 

There are less and less hardware MPEG decoders in DVB adapters.
Everything happens in software. Most popular formats are:
- MPEG-2 video and audio,
- H.264 video,
- AC3 audio.

From my experience the above covers most of DVB broadcasts. I have not
stumbled upon any other stream. As an addition teletext is broadcasted
and AFAIK there's no gstreamer element to decode that.

Don't devices today come with support for even the advanced - H.264
codec? And some of them even accelerated in hardware?

I'm not saying MeeGo spec should require support for DVB, but it should,
IMO, do everything it can to ease vendors with providing that support.
For handhelds it would be a grand plus. For IVI it should be a
standard. 

[1] http://linuxtv.org/
[2] http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardware_Device_Information

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Re: [MeeGo-dev] DVB support on MeeGo

2010-10-29 Thread Nicolas Dufresne
Le vendredi 29 octobre 2010 à 13:28 -0700, Auke Kok a écrit :

 I hate to say this, but the fact that it works in ubuntu does not
 mean 
 anything, as there are too many applications in ubuntu that we will 
 never be able to ship due to licensing restrictions etc. Is it
 shipped 
 as part of a default unmodified upstream kernel? Does it require 
 MPEG-licensed components? 

DVB Kernel driver does not deal with encoding/decoding MPEG unless this
is implemented by hardware (in which case the licence is part of the
hardware price).

I think the request here is as simple as, is it possible to include DVB
linux stack in the Linux drivers ? Getting the rest of the softwares is
much easier task since it can be done by an independent team.

regards,
Nicolas (alias stormer)


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[MeeGo-dev] new MeeGo 1.1 image and VirtualBox problem

2010-10-29 Thread Mark S. Townsley
Hi,

I just downloaded the latest MeeGo 1.1 netbook image that was announced on
MeeGo this week.   I am on a Macbook pro with Virtualbox 3.2.10.
Just tried to put MeeGo on VB by following

http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox

I got that respawning too fast issue because Process meego-power-ico kept
spawning  (I launched MeeGo without quiet).
I then followed

http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=447

But still having the same issue.   I had an older version of VB running
MeeGo 1.0 just fine (but on a Win XP box).
Is there some issues with MeeGo 1.1 running on VB?

Thanks


Mark
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Re: [MeeGo-dev] Meego 1.1 source code

2010-10-29 Thread axel . endler
I think it is here: 
http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/daily/core/repos/source/
(Or go some directories back.)

Best regards,
Axel.




Chris Ferron chris.e.fer...@linux.intel.com 
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10/29/2010 09:00 AM

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praveen pandey praveen.pan...@gmail.com
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Re: [MeeGo-dev] Meego 1.1 source code






On 10/29/2010 12:25 AM, praveen pandey wrote: 
Hi,

Meego 1.1 release has come and I can download the image. I could not 
locate ia32 and src packages for 1.1.
Is it released ? if yes can you share the link. 
If no, when is the release planned

BR,
PP


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Offhand take a look that the following links. 
-Chris Ferron

http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/ia32/packages/
http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/ia32/debug/
http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/core/repos/source/
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Re: [MeeGo-dev] new MeeGo 1.1 image and VirtualBox problem

2010-10-29 Thread Mark S. Townsley
Nevermind, I skipped over that libglx.so step and everything is up...

sorry for the spam.

mark


On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Mark S. Townsley mstowns...@gmail.comwrote:


 Hi,

 I just downloaded the latest MeeGo 1.1 netbook image that was announced on
 MeeGo this week.   I am on a Macbook pro with Virtualbox 3.2.10.
 Just tried to put MeeGo on VB by following

 http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox

 I got that respawning too fast issue because Process meego-power-ico kept
 spawning  (I launched MeeGo without quiet).
 I then followed

 http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=447

 But still having the same issue.   I had an older version of VB running
 MeeGo 1.0 just fine (but on a Win XP box).
 Is there some issues with MeeGo 1.1 running on VB?

 Thanks


 Mark

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