Re: [MBZ] Antenna cable
So can I get a replacement or can I find the connector that goes to the radio somewhere? where would that somewhere be? -- Original message -- Yeap the antenna cable is coax thus splicing is a bi hard but not impossible... Regards, Trampas Stern -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 2:52 PM To: benz Subject: [MBZ] Antenna cable Hi all, When those @[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]([EMAIL PROTECTED]@($_! broke into my car and stole the radio they broke the end of the antenna. I've been looking online for a replacement cable but can't find one. Can I just go to autozone or pepboys and pickup a cable? any particualr size lenght end?... 72 250 w114 M130. Thanks George ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Oct 22 23:19:39 2005 Received: from mta9.adelphia.net ([68.168.78.199]) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1ETSeJ-0002HP-DR for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 23:19:39 + Received: from your03667082de ([68.233.126.219]) by mta9.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with SMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:19:31 -0400 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 19:19:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] newbie questions X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 23:19:40 - Lee asked about truck stop etiquette. Well the Flying J stops are nice because they often seperate the auto fill islands from the truckers and often have good quality diesel at the islands. There are two size pump fill nozzles one I am going to guess is 1 inch od and the other 1/2 inch or 3/4 inch od for cars. Often if you fill at the truck area you have to go in or use the local intecome as many do not take cards directly at the pump o turn it on. The truck islands are set up for both sides of the truck (tank on each side) to be filled from two pumps one on either side of where you pull in. They also give you a large industrial receipt. I often get remarks from truckers who think my old MB diesel is nice of course I tell them the non turbo is the slowest car known to man, but once on the highway will give 150%. The golden rule is the way to go and remember often busy truck stops have a good turn over of fuel. I have only hooked into one bad batch of fuel and it blew out glow plugs and the car ran like trash. This was in Port Jarvis NJ at Route 84 but is was not one of the thee truck stops there. hope this helps. If you do not like cigarettes, tatoos, nascar, baseball caps and that sort of stuff get in and get out quickly. If you do you can hob knob witht he best of em. Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA 1977 300D 260K miles - Original Message - From: Lee Levitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 4:46 PM Subject: [MBZ] newbie questions Here's two newbie questions: 1). On the highway, at a rest stop, do you pull in with the 18 wheelers to fill up? is there any specific etiquette about getting in line with a guy filling 100-200 gallon tanks? Do you pay at the pump, like with the gas islands out front? Do you usually take a latex glove to keep the diesel smell off your hands? What else
Re: [MBZ] dieselvolk swarm soybean oil section at Costco
Mike, Pimental's energy balance figures showed that producing biodiesel with current technology from oilseeds required more BTUs than the biodiesel yielded. If a gallon of biodiesel requires more than a gallon of fuel to produce, it's a bad idea regardless of crop subsidies and farming incentives. In my unschooled opinion, his estimates of production efficiency seemed conservative, especially as the technology improves. Even so, the most optimistic analyst would have to admit that the case for oilseed biodiesel is not a slam dunk from an energy yield standpoint. Some sources state that palm oil is a far better feedstock from an energy balance standpoint, but I don't have any figures to support that. If anyone wants the details on Pimental's analysis, I will post it to the biodiesel list. Bruce --- Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BUT, Pimental's research fails to consider actually requiring the farmers to produce an oil producing crop on the land they are being PAID NOT TO USE. Get rid of the crop subsidies and replace them with a purchasing plan for rapseed or soybeans and THEN see if it is economically feasible. Mike - Original Message - From: B Dike [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 2:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] dieselvolk swarm soybean oil section at Costco Curt, The vegoil production data came from David Pimental, a prominent agricultural researcher from Cornell Univ. He has done extensive studies of oilseed production and has concluded that vegoil fuel is both economically and ecologically unsustainable. The apparent low price of veg oil is a result of market distortions caused by government crop subsidies, both in the US and abroad. David is a strong advocate of WVO biodiesel and synfuels from coal. IIRC coal has a 50 percent yield of diesel grade synfuel, and the US has enormous coal reserves. Coal synfuel is also much cleaner burning than petro diesel. We need to start looking into synfuels. Bruce --- Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bruce, Actually I've thought about this some and to my way of thinking it wouldn't take much to push people off the svo, its that old supply and demand argument. When enough people start taking Chris and his pal's route one of two things will happen (or maybe a slight occurance of both); #1. The price of VO will rise to the point where diesel is cheaper and/or #2. The price of diesel will fall to the point where its cheaper than svo In either case once diesel is cheaper many of the people buying svo will switch back to diesel or work harder on their wvo options. Either way I can't see the number of people buying svo in bulk at Costco having any impact on the worldwide svo supply... Where did you get your data about how much svo the country could produce? The one good thing I could possibly see happening is some upward pressure on the price of svo could send some money back to farmers... -Curt Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 16:03:29 -0700 (PDT) From: B Dike [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] dieselvolk swarm soybean oil section at Costco today To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Biovolks, Speaking as an ardent WVO biodiesel advocate, hearing about large scale vegoil use for diesel fuel troubles me. Vegoil is intended first and foremost for food, not vehicle fuel. If the entire available cropland in the US were converted to vegoil production, it would satisfy less than one-sixth of the fuel needs of the commercial truck fleet. Extensive retail purchasing of cooking oil for fuel will inevitably lead to an ugly backlash from government officials. Do we want the fuel doors on our cars to have a government seal to be opened only by a licensed dealer? If we think the government wields a heavy hand on occasion, just wait until people start messing with the nation's food supply. Prudence dictates that we should hunt down more WVO sources and leave the cooking oil alone. Cheers, Bruce [assumes defensive crouch] - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Bruce 82 300CD 334kmi 'His' 85 300CD 236kmi 'Hers' 75 240D 194kmi 'Donner' 77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen' __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
[MBZ] MB Fuel Additives
Marshall said You need to know that Mercedes does not approve of ANY diesel fuel additives for regular use. Marshall, maybe from the ignorance is bliss school of thought, I have been adding in an oz +/- of Power Service bio side, anti gell type, cetane boost stuff and in the winter when it gets cold some kerosene at EVERY FILL UP since I have owned it which is three years. the car is a 1977 300D. I assumed this was good practice and maybe it will not take me 20 years to switch if you sell me some more. Any more thoughts ( I also add some lube oil to the tank once in a while). on what negitive situations might be avoided by stopping beside my exra 5 minutes and the additive $$? I Lubro Molly directly to engine once or twice a year. Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA - Original Message - From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] newbie questions Lee Levitt wrote: 2). I know nothing about diesel additives, except that they're important. What should I know? You need to know that Mercedes does not approve of ANY diesel fuel additives for regular use. If you have a specific problem, there are additives that can correct some problems (clean the fuel system, remove water from the fuel system, kill bugs in the fuel, etc.), but they should not EVER be used until you have established that there is a specific problem. Mercedes diesels were designed to run optimally on #1 or #2 diesel fuel - NOT on diesel and some additive! Any regular use of any additive will unnecessarily increase the cost of running the car! It took me almost 20 years to stop using additives - but since I stopped using them about 20 years ago, the cost of running my cars has decreased and the cars run for years without ANY additives (except a shot of anti-gel in the late fall and if temps are predicted to drop below zero F). Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Chinese 4x4 gets zero in safety test
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'This car seems to belong in the 1990s in terms of engineering, said Chris Patience, head of technical policy at the AA Motoring Trust.' If 1990s engineering gets you a 0, I wonder if our 1980s Mercedes cars would score any better? I noticed that too, and I really wonder if that wasn't a mistake in the quote. I suspect he actually said 1980s. As to Mercedes, I assume you had tongue in cheek? Mercedes was the first company to actually crash test vehicles (in the late 1950s or early 60s), and it was a Mercedes engineer who patented the concept of automotive crumple zones. The only thing that I would say my 123s or 126 lack in the crash safety department is curtain airbags -- I say this as a sufferer of post-concussion syndrome. Other than that, you can keep front impact airbags, antilock brakes and most of the other doodadds. Mac
[MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay
Heard of these but never seen one for sale before. Doesn't look bad for the price. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4582983178 Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo
Re: [MBZ] One really brave thing
Luther Gulseth wrote: Whoa there. I have to correct one error. Lutherans DO NOT believe that you go to hell if you commit suicide. That is not our decision to make, that is God's-and we trust that in His grace he will bring a suicidee to His side in heaven. Maybe in your synod. That's not what I was told in Sunday School, though. :) I was told that suicide means you go to hell because you have no time to repent.
Re: [MBZ] speaking of loop type GP's
Marshall Booth wrote: Fuel is being sprayed right at the glow plug element and the ball pin (adjacent to the heating element and which is most effectively heated by it) where the heat is maximal and where combustion will commence. In operation, is the ball pin an important part of the ignition process? I was thinking of applying a ceramic thermal barrier to the inside of a set of prechambers, and wondering if I should leave the insulation off the ball pin. From what you said above, it sounds like the ball should be left bare if I attempt this. Mitch
Re: [MBZ] power steering belt
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:46:35 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok. I have slacked 3 bolts on the PS pump, and removed the ps adjuster located on the driver's side. The belt still does not come off. on the belt is written powergate 9313. Looking at autozone's site that looks like the wrong belt. Could that be the cause of my trouble? Yes, that could be the cause of the trouble. If you do not want to re-use the belt, cut it off. Craig
Re: [MBZ] dieselvolk swarm soybean oil section at Costco today
Gabriel S. wrote: geez, why cant the govt. just leave people (and business) alone. You're asking this question about CALIFORNIA, remember. They're our national laboratory for bad liberal legislation. (Texas is our national lab for bad conservative legislation.)
Re: [MBZ] Antenna cable
Trampas wrote: Yeap the antenna cable is coax thus splicing is a bi hard but not impossible... The way to splice coax, really, is to put a connector on each of the ends and connect them together with a barrel adapter.
Re: [MBZ] Chinese 4x4 gets zero in safety test
David Brodbeck wrote: Actually, this is kind of sobering: 'This car seems to belong in the 1990s in terms of engineering, said Chris Patience, head of technical policy at the AA Motoring Trust.' Most of the best 3-4 year old US and Japanese cars are almost as good as a late '70s early '80s Mercedes. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi
Re: [MBZ] Antenna cable
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So can I get a replacement or can I find the connector that goes to the radio somewhere? where would that somewhere be? Radio Shack would have the connector. If it's the usual round, push-in car radio antenna connector, it's called a Motorola plug. Installing it will require a bit of soldering, though they *might* have a solderless version.
Re: [MBZ] newbie questions
Tom Scordato wrote: often busy truck stops have a good turn over of fuel. Also, if you see the local fire department or ambulance company filling up at a station, it's usually a good bet. After a while you learn which local stations have good fuel and which have crap. The quality is much more variable than it is with gasoline. I don't normally use additives, but if I'm forced to fill up at a station that I'm suspicious of, I'll add some Stanadyne as insurance.
Re: [MBZ] Chinese 4x4 gets zero in safety test
Steve MacSween wrote: As to Mercedes, I assume you had tongue in cheek? Mercedes was the first company to actually crash test vehicles (in the late 1950s or early 60s), and it was a Mercedes engineer who patented the concept of automotive crumple zones. I'm sure they were exceptional in their day, but I'm actually not sure how well they stack up to modern cars. Volvo 240s, for example, have a reputation for safety and were excellent in their time, but they're pretty vulnerable in side impact crashes because they don't have the door beams newer cars do. At the time the main focus was frontal impact. I just kind of accept that, by driving an older car, I'm taking more of a risk than I would if I bought a brand new one.
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price wackiness
Gasoline is 2.19 Diesel is now 3.49 I thought it was bad at 80 cents backward spread! This is even wackier.
Re: [MBZ] One really brave thing
But how do you know it's not already been forgiven? On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 20:47:49 -0500, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther Gulseth wrote: Whoa there. I have to correct one error. Lutherans DO NOT believe that you go to hell if you commit suicide. That is not our decision to make, that is God's-and we trust that in His grace he will bring a suicidee to His side in heaven. Maybe in your synod. That's not what I was told in Sunday School, though. :) I was told that suicide means you go to hell because you have no time to repent. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix) '82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??)
Re: [MBZ] MB Fuel Additives
Tom Scordato wrote: Marshall said You need to know that Mercedes does not approve of ANY diesel fuel additives for regular use. Marshall, maybe from the ignorance is bliss school of thought, I have been adding in an oz +/- of Power Service bio side, anti gell type, cetane boost stuff and in the winter when it gets cold some kerosene at EVERY FILL UP since I have owned it which is three years. the car is a 1977 300D. I assumed this was good practice and maybe it will not take me 20 years to switch if you sell me some more. Any more thoughts ( I also add some lube oil to the tank once in a while). on what negitive situations might be avoided by stopping beside my exra 5 minutes and the additive $$? I Lubro Molly directly to engine once or twice a year. Probably what you are doing will do little or no harm except to your wallet. Your car is designed to run on either #1 or #2 diesel fuel for a lot of miles. #2 lubricates a lot better than #1 so adding a lubricant (that MAY seriously help an engine with a fuel lubricated injection pump) will be of little or no benefit when your running on #2 (or even B10 or B20). If you buy winter treated fuel (by FAR the best most economical way to treat fuel - they are professionals and know exactly how much of what is usually needed) then about all you need is to add a shot or two of anti-gel to sequester the water that condenses out of the air in your less than full tank when temperatures drop. If the idle gets a little uneven, then maybe a Techron concentrate or Diesel Purge treatment might be justified (after you do a few Italian tuneup runs to see if that's all that's needed). I have found that Italian tuneup or even a few hours of highway driving are USUALLY more effective than any fuel treatment as tonic for minor idle unsmoothness! Your engine REALLY was designed to run OPTIMALLY on high quality, clean #2 diesel - not some home brew mixture that you THINK might be good. Play until you get your car running really smoothly. Then stop putting STUFF in the tank and see how long it takes before there is a problem. If your experience is like mine, and you do a fair amount of highway driving, it may be years before you need to consider adding anything except to remove water! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi
Re: [MBZ] speaking of loop type GP's
Mitch Haley wrote: Marshall Booth wrote: Fuel is being sprayed right at the glow plug element and the ball pin (adjacent to the heating element and which is most effectively heated by it) where the heat is maximal and where combustion will commence. In operation, is the ball pin an important part of the ignition process? I was thinking of applying a ceramic thermal barrier to the inside of a set of prechambers, and wondering if I should leave the insulation off the ball pin. From what you said above, it sounds like the ball should be left bare if I attempt this. The ballpin serves to further atomize fuel and is heated for starting, but that's only the tip of the iceberg (actually I've not recently seen or read an analysis of the purpose of the ballpin - it's been years since I even thought about them). They were modified when inclined injection was being introduced and perfected. As to ceramic thermal barrier - I recommend that you avoid the PRECHAMBERS! Mercedes has spent more than 50 years quieting down noise with precise prechamber design. Tiny changes to the exposed surface area of the prechamber make HUGE differences in noise and prechamber failures (unless someone uses starting ether) are very rare now (I think because the metals are so much superior to what was used 40-50 years ago). The area that needs thermal help is the piston surface (that's why they added the oil spray when they put in the turbo). It's usually the piston that melts when exhaust temps get too high - NOT the prechamber (unless you start adding fuel with a much higher BTU rating). Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi
Re: [MBZ] speaking of loop type GP's
Marshall Booth wrote: The area that needs thermal help is the piston surface (that's why they added the oil spray when they put in the turbo). It's usually the piston that melts when exhaust temps get too high - NOT the prechamber (unless you start adding fuel with a much higher BTU rating). If the head comes off my 2.5, the head and pistons will get coated. I was just wanted to test a theory that heat loss to the prechamber was the cause of loss in efficiency, and a main reason why DI engines are more efficient.
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price wackiness
I just filled the tank on my Jetta $3.299 for a total of $50.78 OUCH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 9:15 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel price wackiness Gasoline is 2.19 Diesel is now 3.49 I thought it was bad at 80 cents backward spread! This is even wackier. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] newbie questions
I would recommend some riggers gloves, which are also handy for changing wheels etc. Latex gloves are going to frighten some of the truckers. Hendrik with big manly gloves in the diesel machines - Original Message - From: Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] newbie questions Folks who live up north where they get winterized fuel don't see much need for additives unless headed for REAL cold country ( a run through Maine and Canada last winter I was really impressed with the quality of the pump fuel, a drastic improvement over 20 years ago ), however if you live in the mid south or other locations where we get regular dirty water laden #2 year round ( especially if you live in some warm desert climate and plan to go skiing ) anti gel additives are a must unless you want to be dead in the water on a cold morning.Diesel can begin to gel at around 35 deg. As for truckstops, if they don't have a seperate car pump for diesel, just get in line. When you get to the pump, there may be a phone next to the pump that you'll have to pick up and talk to the person at the fuel desk to get the pump turned on, just tell them you're getting auto fuel. Gloves aren't a bad Idea for starters ( after many years pushing a semi, I don't worry about the smell :-) ---Robert Lee Levitt wrote: Here's two newbie questions: 1). On the highway, at a rest stop, do you pull in with the 18 wheelers to fill up? is there any specific etiquette about getting in line with a guy filling 100-200 gallon tanks? Do you pay at the pump, like with the gas islands out front? Do you usually take a latex glove to keep the diesel smell off your hands? What else should I know? 2). I know nothing about diesel additives, except that they're important. What should I know? Thanks! Lee '93 300 2.5L td (soon) ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/143 - Release Date: 19/10/2005
Re: [MBZ] Chinese 4x4 gets zero in safety test
There are a lot of modern cars that are very dangerous, particularly the small fuel efficient ones. I remember a while back there was a report of a woman killed in one of those little cheap cars. She collided with a bus at an intersection and I can remember thinking that is not acceptable in this day and age. I am pretty sure had this happened in a early model Merc she would have survived. Hendrik - Original Message - From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chinese 4x4 gets zero in safety test Steve MacSween wrote: As to Mercedes, I assume you had tongue in cheek? Mercedes was the first company to actually crash test vehicles (in the late 1950s or early 60s), and it was a Mercedes engineer who patented the concept of automotive crumple zones. I'm sure they were exceptional in their day, but I'm actually not sure how well they stack up to modern cars. Volvo 240s, for example, have a reputation for safety and were excellent in their time, but they're pretty vulnerable in side impact crashes because they don't have the door beams newer cars do. At the time the main focus was frontal impact. I just kind of accept that, by driving an older car, I'm taking more of a risk than I would if I bought a brand new one. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/143 - Release Date: 19/10/2005
Re: [MBZ] newbie questions
rumor has it that Lee wrote: Here's two newbie questions: 1). On the highway, at a rest stop, do you pull in with the 18 wheelers to fill up? is there any specific etiquette about getting in line with a guy filling 100-200 gallon tanks? Do you pay at the pump, like with the gas islands out front? Do you usually take a latex glove to keep the diesel smell off your hands? What else should I know? Notes on fitting in with big trucks. The thing they drive is most commonly called a big truck, not a semi, or a diesel. Another common name is an 18. This is in contrast to your four-wheeler. The folks that make a living operating a big truck usually call themselves drivers. Keep in mind that you are in their playground. Please try to play by their rules. Things like - just 'cause your smaller and faster doesn't mean you should zip in and out and through their lines. Keep your eyes open. Your car is a _lot_ smaller than the trucks, so make sure you are watching out for them. Give them space (what will probably feel to you like _lots_ of space) A four-wheeler running around can be as annoying and as easy to overlook as fly is when you are riding a bicycle. Most truckstops have a phone or an intecom next to the pump. This is used to give the fuel desk (the cashiers that handle the refueling big trucks) the company name and truck number as a means of identifying each fuel ticket. You can make up a name and number, or tell them it's a car. (Yeah, this is Benz Transit, number 240. I'll be paying cash. Thanks!) Often there will be a main pump (with the number display) on the left side and a satellite pump on the right. The satellite pump will not work unless the main pump is on. Since my W123s all have the fuel door on the right, I turn on the main pump and set the nozzel down on the ground. I then go to the satellite pump, flip the handle up and pump my fuel. Be sure to hang up the main pump when your done! *smile* Keep an eye on the fuel flow! Most of the pumps are high volume. Drivers like this 'cause they call a fuel tank little if is only holds 120 gallons. The ones with the little nozzle can pump 3-4 times more fuel than what is common on the car islands. The bigs ones can pump fuel so fast that by the time the nozzle realizes that the tank is full and shuts off, you can have a gallon of fuel on your shoes. When you're done fueling, before you go in to pay, pull forward. This way the guy behind you can pull up to the pumps and can get started with his fueling. Especially if you don't have a radio, watch and use the lights. Headlights blinked off mean Go on, I'll wait, flashed high-beams mean I'm coming through - watch it! Blinked tail lights (or flashing 4-ways, the hazard lights} mean thank you! That's the basics. Mostly watch what the drivers are doing. Some of this stuff is regional. Philip, former driver
Re: [MBZ] Antenna cable
rumor has it that Trampas wrote: Yeap the antenna cable is coax thus splicing is a bi hard but not impossible... When those @[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]@[EMAIL PROTECTED]([EMAIL PROTECTED]@($_! broke into my car and stole the radio they broke the end of the antenna. I've been looking online for a replacement cable but can't find one. Can I just go to autozone or pepboys and pickup a cable? any particualr size lenght end?... 72 250 w114 M130. I don't know about the W114, but all of my W123s have an air-dielectric cable. It's a bugger to try to put connectors on it! However, the connector at the antenna (on the W123s) is a critter I have never seen anywhere else. The end at the radio is usually a Motorola plug. The solderless ones that I have seen won't work well with an air dielectric cable. The solder-type will work, but the stripping the coax is a trip. I hope the W114 is easier, for your sake!! Maybe Kaleb has a spare in his yard... Philip, radio coax mangler
Re: [MBZ] newbie questions
Fmiser wrote: Especially if you don't have a radio, watch and use the lights. Headlights blinked off mean Go on, I'll wait, flashed high-beams mean I'm coming through - watch it! Blinked tail lights (or flashing 4-ways, the hazard lights} mean thank you! This also applies on the freeways, at least in the Midwest. (It seems to be less common out here on the west coast.) Briefly switching off your headlights means You're clear, you can change into the lane in front of me. Flashing the tail lights means Thanks! I once drove a big U-Haul that had a momentary switch on the dash that would black out the tail lamps when pressed, for that purpose.
Re: [MBZ] Chinese 4x4 gets zero in safety test
actually Daihatsu didn't fail, they just no longer import cars to the US. The just recently released a small sports car that resembles a Audi TT in New Zealand called the Copen. They also still build trucks, a few small cars and a SUV http://www.daihatsu.co.nz/ 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 14:12:28 -0700 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chinese 4x4 gets zero in safety test Rich Thomas wrote: http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,22749-1783784,00.html The first Chinese car to be sold in Europe has scored zero ? the worst-ever score ? in safety tests.more I bet they'll catch on fast, though, and pretty soon they'll be edging the Koreans out for the low end of the market. Everyone laughed when Daihatsu failed, but now I see Kias all over the place. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net __ Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new Tool Box gives you one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White Pages and more. See for yourself at http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/
Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay
Don't believe that engine was originally installed, almost all of the Internationals I have seen either came with a 4, inline 6 or a small V8. There were no diesels 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:06:00 -0700 Subject: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay Heard of these but never seen one for sale before. Doesn't look bad for the price. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4582983178 Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net __ Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new Tool Box gives you one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White Pages and more. See for yourself at http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/
Re: [MBZ] Chinese 4x4 gets zero in safety test
Back where I am from a woman had a head on collision at 55 MPH with a dump truck. She was driving a W126 with air bag(s) and walked away from the crash. Regards, Trampas Stern -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hendrik Riessen Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 12:11 AM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chinese 4x4 gets zero in safety test There are a lot of modern cars that are very dangerous, particularly the small fuel efficient ones. I remember a while back there was a report of a woman killed in one of those little cheap cars. She collided with a bus at an intersection and I can remember thinking that is not acceptable in this day and age. I am pretty sure had this happened in a early model Merc she would have survived. Hendrik - Original Message - From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Chinese 4x4 gets zero in safety test Steve MacSween wrote: As to Mercedes, I assume you had tongue in cheek? Mercedes was the first company to actually crash test vehicles (in the late 1950s or early 60s), and it was a Mercedes engineer who patented the concept of automotive crumple zones. I'm sure they were exceptional in their day, but I'm actually not sure how well they stack up to modern cars. Volvo 240s, for example, have a reputation for safety and were excellent in their time, but they're pretty vulnerable in side impact crashes because they don't have the door beams newer cars do. At the time the main focus was frontal impact. I just kind of accept that, by driving an older car, I'm taking more of a risk than I would if I bought a brand new one. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/143 - Release Date: 19/10/2005 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] speaking of loop type GP's
DI engines are more efficient than non-direct as that the direct injected engines have higher compression ratios. Ceramic coating the pistons will help keep them from melting when you add more fuel for more power, but I doubt you will see a significant change in the fuel economy by ceramic coating pistons. Regards, Trampas Stern -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 11:01 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] speaking of loop type GP's Marshall Booth wrote: The area that needs thermal help is the piston surface (that's why they added the oil spray when they put in the turbo). It's usually the piston that melts when exhaust temps get too high - NOT the prechamber (unless you start adding fuel with a much higher BTU rating). If the head comes off my 2.5, the head and pistons will get coated. I was just wanted to test a theory that heat loss to the prechamber was the cause of loss in efficiency, and a main reason why DI engines are more efficient. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] newbie questions
Thanks Philip, this is very helpful. I do have a radio and find that drivers are usually pretty friendly, particularly when I make room for them to change lanes, etc. (unlike most 4 wheelers, who just cut in front of them like they don't exist...) Lee -Original Message- From: Fmiser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 12:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes mailing list Subject: Re: [MBZ] newbie questions rumor has it that Lee wrote: Here's two newbie questions: Great stuff snipped...
[MBZ] 10 Nm for water pump housing?
Hi all, I found this for the W115 and W123 http://mb.braingears.com/114_115_Disk1/program/Engine/M115/20-210.pdf I was wondering if this also applied to my M130. I have a bad tendency to over tightent and strip things. Water pumps and thermostat housings are pretty much up there where it comes to bolt's I don't want to strip :) Thanks 72 250 M130 W114 From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Oct 23 14:23:06 2005 Received: from mail1.mx.voyager.net ([216.93.66.204]) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1ETgkc-0004Ho-1V for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:23:06 + Received: from voyager.net (d1.as2.sfld1.mi.core.com [209.153.159.130]) by mail1.mx.voyager.net (8.13.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id j9NEN2Np001495 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:13:19 -0400 From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] prechambers, was speaking of loop type GP's X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:23:06 - Trampas wrote: DI engines are more efficient than non-direct as that the direct injected engines have higher compression ratios. Then why is a 18.5:1 DI more efficient in a 3/4 ton pickup than a 22.5:1 IDI? I'm not sure what the CR is on a CDI or TDI, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's less than 22:1. (but there's more at work there than just the difference between DI and IDI) I still think the difference is either heat loss to the prechamber surfaces or fuel not getting out of the prechamber and burning. I'm afraid it's mostly the latter. If ceramic coating the pistons, valve heads, and combustion chambers gets me 5% I'll be happy. That's like adding 3 quarts of fuel capacity to a 190D. If the modified car hits 45mpg hwy I'll think I'm really on to something. The few overdrive 190 turbos I've heard of don't top 40mpg. A guy on mercedesshop got 39mpg on a long trip in his. Since the prechambers are removeable, I'll be able to test them separately by insulating them after I've got the car on the road. Every internal engine mod will be done before I ever drive the car, because I'm pulling the engine out of a wreck and building it. The main reason for the insulation is to allow me to run EGTs over 1200 degrees without getting nervous. Secondary reason is to reduce the cooling load on the engine. A Finn told me his 2.5 hit 331 hp on the dyno with intercooler, exhaust manifold and big bore IP. He didn't mention the turbo, but I think he must have switched it.
Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay
Actually I have seen another example of this truck.The Nissan diesel WAS a factory option. Mike - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay Don't believe that engine was originally installed, almost all of the Internationals I have seen either came with a 4, inline 6 or a small V8. There were no diesels 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:06:00 -0700 Subject: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay Heard of these but never seen one for sale before. Doesn't look bad for the price. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4582983178 Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net __ Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new Tool Box gives you one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White Pages and more. See for yourself at http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay
BT WRONG! From http://www.scoutconnection.com/ FAQ section: 8. When did International offer a diesel-powered Scout? 1976 was the first year for a diesel-powered Scout. International used the Nissan SD-33 diesel engine for fuel economy. Complaints of not enough power prompted International to replace the SD-33 with the SD-33T (Turbocharged) diesel engine in 1980. The diesel-powered Scouts were very popular with their fuel-saving economy of 20 mpg city and 30 mpg highway. End Quote The Nissan diesel was available for many years. Diesel Scouts are getting rare because of the high repair costs, combined with diesel ignorance. Most of the remaining Diesels have been converted to gas 345 v-8. One of the nice things about IH Scouts and pickups is that any drivetrain option can be converted to any other drivetrain option with factory parts. A 2wd 304 auto pickup can be converted to a 392 4barrel, 4 speed 4wd but unbolting and bolting on the new parts. Unfortunately, the Nissan was detuned for reliability and the turbo was detuned also. They were slow. They are about like driving a 123 240D auto, and are probably even slower than that. The engine can be tuned for more power They are, like a 240D, good dependable engines as stock. As the HP goes up the durability decreases. International's own diesel engines were too heavy for automotive use, so they bought the Nissan diesels to catch the growing popularity of Diesels following the 74 oil shortage. For more information, the ultimate source is www.scoutconnection.com At 03:19 AM 10/23/2005, you wrote: Don't believe that engine was originally installed, almost all of the Internationals I have seen either came with a 4, inline 6 or a small V8. There were no diesels 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:06:00 -0700 Subject: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay Heard of these but never seen one for sale before. Doesn't look bad for the price. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4582983178 Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net __ Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new Tool Box gives you one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White Pages and more. See for yourself at http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] prechambers, was speaking of loop type GP's
There are lots of design compromises in diesel engines, and there are notable differences in DI and IDI engines as currently produced beyond injection type -- notably, the US made DI engines are almost exclusively long stroke, limited rpm engines (3000 rpm max) with low compression and VERY high boost (20 psi) so that the effective compression ratio under load is similar to a Benz or Volvo short stroke, high rpm engine (up to 5500 rather than 3000 rpm), high compression rato (21:1 and up -- Volvo diesels may be as high as 26:1 as built). However, the direct injection engine WILL produce more hp and torque at the design rpm due to better combustion efficency (sideways sprays out from the injector rather than a directed flame from a pre-chamber) -- but ONLY at that rpm, not much higher or lower. They toss rods when oversped significantly, like any other engine. The cost is NOISE, and since most US diesels don't have variable injection timing, smoke and poor efficiency off peak rpm. Used to be much worse, just watch an old Detroit, Mack, or Cummins over the road truck at a stoplight -- about the time the black smoke starts to taper off under load, the driver has to change gears! And I'm not talking just a little smoke, either! In modern engines, especially the Cummins sixes, the smoke problem is mostly gone unless user modified, but the noise and inflexibility are still there, hence the lousy milage those engines produce. 17 mpg in a large empty pickup at 65 mph with a diesel is horrible -- my 72 280 SE 4.5 does that good! That engine should produce 25-28 mpg at that speed and load. They are nearly bullet proof, produce prodigous horsepower at peak rpm, and do fine on fuel at that speed. Prechamber engines, on the other hand, are usually very quiet, very flexible (wide rpm range with usable hp and torque), but tend to use more fuel because the thermal effeciency is lower - it's very hard to get excessive exhaust gas temps because the fire will be quenched due to lack of oxygen in the prechamber when more fuel is added. On a DI engine, it's fairly easy to keep adding fuel and air and melt the pistons becuase all the fuel will burn every time. The lower thermal effeciency is partially overcome by the higher compression ratio, since higher compression will give you better themal usage reguardless of other design considerations (and they are easier to start cold, too!) The fuel efficency overall, however, isn't that simple. Once you're off the peak rpm in a DI engine, fuel use goes up fast and hp/torque goes down fast, so unless you have an infinitely variable transmission or LOTS of gear ratios to choose from, the speed at which you get good milage is restricted. This was a major problem when speed limits were lowered in teh 70s as most trucks were running at the wrong rpm -- in those days, the power band was as small as 1900-2200 rpm! Off that, no power, stalling on hills, etc, and running a gear down results in even worse milage It's great fun to read engine specs for diesels of all types -- the difference between US practice and everyone else in the world is astonishing. Both Detroit and Volvo make large marine engines (3000 hp or so) -- the Detroit is a huge, triple turbo 18:1 engine that weighs almost twice as much as the Volvo Penta -- 23:1 compression, 5000 rpm vs 2200, since tubo, considerably smaller. Both have a history of dependability, but I'mm willing to bet the Volvo uses somewhat less fuel in varied use The new Jeep diesel is a Detroit, typical low compression engine, and while it has good torque numbers, the milage STINKS -- barely 20! My brother's SDL gets 28 on the highway, hauling a heavier body with only a four speed, not a six speed tranny. I suspect a 60x turbo Benz 2.5L would give more power, with less fuel consumption (and not much more in cost, either, since that Detroit adds $4k to the price!) There are lots of ways around the barn with internal combustion engines, and diesel engines haven't had the physics worked out as well as gasoline engines yet (ie they weren't used in aircraft, so real effeciency wasn't an issue!). Benz has always landed on the side of extreme longevity and city drivability for the simple reason that the vast majority of Benz diesels were (and probably are today) used in taxies. Over-the-road trucks in US form need the same longevity, but fuel consumption was never a real issue except for a brief period in the late 70s and today, as the cost is easily passed on to the consumer with no direct connection. A taxi service will founder quickly if fuel consumption is high, as most places regulate taxi fares! One thing I expect to see happen to diesels is the required use of biofuels, not so much for fuel reasons as for emissions reasons. Biofuels, since they are oxygenated and don't contain aromatic hydrocarbons, produce both less soot and cleaner soot with less
Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay
Didn't they also use the BMW turbodiesel at some point? Though the Nissan unit would be preferable, still a few of the old Maximas running around with rusty bodies, just waiting to be used engine donors ;-) Mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I have seen another example of this truck.The Nissan diesel WAS a factory option. Mike - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay Don't believe that engine was originally installed, almost all of the Internationals I have seen either came with a 4, inline 6 or a small V8. There were no diesels 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:06:00 -0700 Subject: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay Heard of these but never seen one for sale before. Doesn't look bad for the price. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4582983178 Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net __ Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new Tool Box gives you one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White Pages and more. See for yourself at http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] MB Fuel Additives
Tom Scordato wrote: Thanks a million Marshall, I value your knowledge! Will do. Tom Scordato Tom, Try it - if the operation of your engine deteriorates, use the additive that is expected to cures it and once the problem is gone - STOP using it. Unless your experience is very different than mine, you will find that additives are rarely necessary or desirable. Report your experience!! Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay
If you are talking about IH, no. Scouts only came with the NO or the turbo Nissan. This is not the engine used in the maxima At 12:01 PM 10/23/2005, you wrote: Didn't they also use the BMW turbodiesel at some point? Though the Nissan unit would be preferable, still a few of the old Maximas running around with rusty bodies, just waiting to be used engine donors ;-) Mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I have seen another example of this truck.The Nissan diesel WAS a factory option. Mike - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay Don't believe that engine was originally installed, almost all of the Internationals I have seen either came with a 4, inline 6 or a small V8. There were no diesels 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:06:00 -0700 Subject: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay Heard of these but never seen one for sale before. Doesn't look bad for the price. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4582983178 Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net __ Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new Tool Box gives you one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White Pages and more. See for yourself at http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 10 Nm for water pump housing?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I found this for the W115 and W123 http://mb.braingears.com/114_115_Disk1/program/Engine/M115/20-210.pdf I was wondering if this also applied to my M130. I have a bad tendency to over tightent and strip things. Water pumps and thermostat housings are pretty much up there where it comes to bolt's I don't want to strip :) Among my least favorite bolts to strip or snap off, the water pump bolts are right up there. I've done it (can't recall whether it was on an M180, M121 or OM621 engine) a LONG time ago and I wasn't really leaning into it! Looking at different engines bracketing the early '70s, the torque values range from 10 Nm to 30 Nm. That gives you a range of between 7.5-22 lb-ft - probably depending on the diameter of the bolt (M6 at about 10 Nm vs M8 and about 25 Nm). Here are standard values for fasteners of different quality: http://mdmetric.com/fastindx/t21u.pdf Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi
Re: [MBZ] prechambers, was speaking of loop type GP's
Peter Frederick wrote: One thing I expect to see happen to diesels is the required use of biofuels, not so much for fuel reasons as for emissions reasons. Biofuels, since they are oxygenated and don't contain aromatic hydrocarbons, produce both less soot and cleaner soot with less aromatic content. I've been wondering that, myself. It wouldn't surprise me if, some day, a certain percentage of biodiesel is mandated as an additive to petrodiesel, as an oxygenating agent. There's already a precedent -- ethanol is widely used to oxygenate gasoline.
Re: [MBZ] speaking of loop type GP's
Trampas wrote: DI engines are more efficient than non-direct as that the direct injected engines have higher compression ratios. Every direct injection engine I know of (I'm sure I don't know them all) have compression ratios UNDER 20:1 and the indirect injection engine have ratios of 20:1 or more. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi
Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay
The Maxima engine does, however, IIRC, bolt up anywhere the Nissan gasser six was used. Hint: diesel Z-car! On 10/23/05, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are talking about IH, no. Scouts only came with the NO or the turbo Nissan. This is not the engine used in the maxima At 12:01 PM 10/23/2005, you wrote: Didn't they also use the BMW turbodiesel at some point? Though the Nissan unit would be preferable, still a few of the old Maximas running around with rusty bodies, just waiting to be used engine donors ;-) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo
Re: [MBZ] 10 Nm for water pump housing?
Thanks Marshal. -- Original message -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I found this for the W115 and W123 http://mb.braingears.com/114_115_Disk1/program/Engine/M115/20-210.pdf I was wondering if this also applied to my M130. I have a bad tendency to over tightent and strip things. Water pumps and thermostat housings are pretty much up there where it comes to bolt's I don't want to strip :) Among my least favorite bolts to strip or snap off, the water pump bolts are right up there. I've done it (can't recall whether it was on an M180, M121 or OM621 engine) a LONG time ago and I wasn't really leaning into it! Looking at different engines bracketing the early '70s, the torque values range from 10 Nm to 30 Nm. That gives you a range of between 7.5-22 lb-ft - probably depending on the diameter of the bolt (M6 at about 10 Nm vs M8 and about 25 Nm). Here are standard values for fasteners of different quality: http://mdmetric.com/fastindx/t21u.pdf Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Oct 23 18:48:37 2005 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net ([63.240.77.83]) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1ETktZ-vK-Lx for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:48:37 + Received: from 204.127.205.142 ([204.127.205.142]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id 20051023184802013003iq5te; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:48:02 + Received: from [24.0.68.122] by 204.127.205.142; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:48:01 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (benz) Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:48:01 + Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: ATT Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: Z2dlbm92ZXpAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: [MBZ] v-belts X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:48:37 - Hi all, I've been to the local autopart stores around town for replacement v-belts for the generator and PS. Everybody has a different size and none of them fit. Anybody know what the correct size is? 72 250 M130 w114. Thanks George From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Oct 23 18:52:34 2005 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.198.39] helo=rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1ETkxO-0001Kf-2R for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:52:34 + Received: from [127.0.0.1] (c-24-3-195-27.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[24.3.195.27]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with ESMTP id 2005102318522801500r8bvce; Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:52:28 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:50:36 -0400 From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] v-belts X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 18:52:34 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've been to the
Re: [MBZ] dieselvolk swarm soybean oil section at Costco today
From what I read Kevin, this was a test program to counter the rise of Prius and Civic hybrids. No mention of some GPS integrated with the car in some manner that beams data at fill up On Friday, October 21, 2005, at 09:38 PM, kevin kraly wrote: Oregoon is testing a system of taxing you for miles driven, not fuel purchases. Was that word Oregoon types on purpose? If such a system ever manages to make it into practice, I'll have to find another one with a broken odometer. I did find A 03 Dodge Cummins quad cab pickup that will be running biodiesel. The right one came along, 6 spd, 23K miles, matching canopy/shell, 2wd, AC, crank-up windows and vinyl everything, perfect and doggie friendly as well! A new one would have set me back over $40K, and I was lucky enough to find this one for just over half price. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 2003 Dodge 2500 Cummins Diesel P/U, 23K miles, no name yet, still between MB diesels ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] dieselvolk swarm soybean oil section at Costco today
Amateur radio has been doing this voluntarily for some time now -- APRS -- http://www.findu.com/ -- but not for tax reasons! On 10/23/05, redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From what I read Kevin, this was a test program to counter the rise of Prius and Civic hybrids. No mention of some GPS integrated with the car in some manner that beams data at fill up On Friday, October 21, 2005, at 09:38 PM, kevin kraly wrote: Oregoon is testing a system of taxing you for miles driven, not fuel purchases. Was that word Oregoon types on purpose? If such a system ever manages to make it into practice, I'll have to find another one with a broken odometer. I did find A 03 Dodge Cummins quad cab pickup that will be running biodiesel. The right one came along, 6 spd, 23K miles, matching canopy/shell, 2wd, AC, crank-up windows and vinyl everything, perfect and doggie friendly as well! A new one would have set me back over $40K, and I was lucky enough to find this one for just over half price. Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 2003 Dodge 2500 Cummins Diesel P/U, 23K miles, no name yet, still between MB diesels ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay
The Maxima engine does, however, IIRC, bolt up anywhere the Nissan gasser six was used. Hint: diesel Z-car! I guess that would be a 280ZXD, a 280ZDX or a 280DZX. That would be quite unique although a bit slower than the gasser with only 80HP to move it around. Better yet, drop a 603.96X in there and make it a 300DZX! Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon, currently without an MB diesel, but not dieselless 2003 Dodge CTD quad Cab, 23K miles, The TRUCK!
Re: [MBZ] v-belts
Because I'm anxious to get it on the road again. All I'm missing is those 2 belts. -- Original message -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've been to the local autopart stores around town for replacement v-belts for the generator and PS. Everybody has a different size and none of them fit. Anybody know what the correct size is? 72 250 M130 w114. WHY don't you call and order the correct belt from Rusty? Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Oct 22 03:39:14 2005 Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.204]) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1ETADx-00064B-Rc for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 22 Oct 2005 03:39:14 + Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id 5.1d4.474b475b (17377); Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:39:04 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:39:04 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 2340 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 23:07:12 + X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 ambient temp sender X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 03:39:14 - In a message dated 10/21/2005 8:03:35 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I need to replace the sender unit for the ambient temp display . Is this sender available separately ? I have a used one that I removed from a wrecked 87 300SDL. $25 plus 3.85 priority mail. My sense is the display is what usually fails but for this price you takes your chances. Let me know, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 261 K miles 98 ML 320, 138 K miles -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IM000718.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 56472 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net/attachments/20051021/5112127c/IM000718.jpg
Re: [MBZ] v-belts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because I'm anxious to get it on the road again. All I'm missing is those 2 belts. And your plan got you on the road!? Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay
I have a SD33T in my Nissan Patrol and no it would not fit into a sedan it is a tall engine. Hendrik - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 3:29 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay If you are talking about IH, no. Scouts only came with the NO or the turbo Nissan. This is not the engine used in the maxima At 12:01 PM 10/23/2005, you wrote: Didn't they also use the BMW turbodiesel at some point? Though the Nissan unit would be preferable, still a few of the old Maximas running around with rusty bodies, just waiting to be used engine donors ;-) Mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I have seen another example of this truck.The Nissan diesel WAS a factory option. Mike - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay Don't believe that engine was originally installed, almost all of the Internationals I have seen either came with a 4, inline 6 or a small V8. There were no diesels 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:06:00 -0700 Subject: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay Heard of these but never seen one for sale before. Doesn't look bad for the price. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4582983178 Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net __ Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new Tool Box gives you one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White Pages and more. See for yourself at http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/143 - Release Date: 19/10/2005
