Re: [MBZ] OkieQ report
Wish I could be there. Have fun. Randy B -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 4:24 PM To: Banned List; Mercedes Mailing List Subject: [MBZ] OkieQ report LT Don has arrived. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Lever( 1987 190D 2.5T)
The cruise control lever stop self centering a couple of days ago on my 87 190. Not quite sure what went wrong. Is it fixable or do I have to get a When ours did this it was because our 2-year-old tried a chinup on it. Nonrepairable, generally. You could try drilling out the rivets that hold it together to see if you could get lucky... junk yard replacement. I haven't looked at the Benz manual, but does the steering wheel need to be removed to fix the cruise control lever switch assembly. Generally not, though I haven't done one (yet) on a 201. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Portable Start Devices
I saw one time in a 4wd magazine where it was suggested that in the backcountry you carry a chainsaw with no bar or chain but with an appropriate sized v belt and pully so you could hook it to your truck's alternator in case of a dead battery... That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Take a _usable_ chainsaw with you, having figured out how to flange a belt to it in the field. You're more likely to need the saw than the charger! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Portable Start Devices
I looked at these a couple years ago when I needed portable power to run the block heater on my 240D. I came to the conclusion that they're all too small to be much use unless you're just fighting a weakened battery. Most were like [EMAIL PROTECTED] which isn't enough to start a diesel. Most of them don't have full-power 12V outputs, they're just tapping the field generator for you. If it were designed for full output at +12V it would be pretty strong. When jump starting, the donor battery is only doing part of the work, the majority of the starting energy is coming from the charge imparted to the formerly-dead battery. Unless you have some seriously oversized jumper cables. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Portable Start Devices
If you left the clutch side cover off and take off the bar and chain you could slip the v-belt over the centrifugal clutch and hold it tight enough to turn an alternator without modifying the saw at all. Mike - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Portable Start Devices I saw one time in a 4wd magazine where it was suggested that in the backcountry you carry a chainsaw with no bar or chain but with an appropriate sized v belt and pully so you could hook it to your truck's alternator in case of a dead battery... That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Take a _usable_ chainsaw with you, having figured out how to flange a belt to it in the field. You're more likely to need the saw than the charger! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Lever( 1987 190D 2.5T)
Robert Massmann wrote: Group, The cruise control lever stop self centering a couple of days ago on my 87 190. Not quite sure what went wrong. Is it fixable or do I have to get a junk yard replacement. I haven't looked at the Benz manual, but does the steering wheel need to be removed to fix the cruise control lever switch assembly. Just want to know what I in for when I start to work on it? I've never seen one that could be fixed. Be careful buying a used one (or even a new one), there a at last three different versions and NONE are interchangeable with the other. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Lever( 1987 190D 2.5T)
Dont' know if the wheel has to come off, but I suspect so -- you will have to remove the under-dash panel and the cover over the steering column at least. Peter
Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo update
Blown head gasket at the chain case will do it also -- check for pulsing blowby. Peter
Re: [MBZ] wanted: 15-inch STEEL rims
I would like a set of steel wheels for my 124 so I could put Blizaks on them. Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles Wickford, RI Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zach Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 4:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] wanted: 15-inch STEEL rims well, I want it if I can find a set of 3-4 more! ;) I am wishing now I had picked up some wheels when I was in germany a month ago, I saw tons of benzes with steel wheels on them... Grrr --- Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: its for a 123 lwb ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo update
Sounds like that pump's leaking internally, Kaleb. I expect an oil analysis would confirm that. I can probably get you a new pump for less than what it'd cost to get that one rebuilt. Let me know offlist if you're interested. joe
[MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ
An Energy Field of Dreams June 17, 2006; Page A10 Be like Brazil have never been words to live by except perhaps in soccer or samba. But suddenly Americans are being told we should imitate Brazil in its expensive devotion to driving cars that run on ethanol. VeraSun Energy, the second-largest U.S. ethanol producer, was the talk of Wall Street this week with its IPO. Wal-Mart wants to install pumps to cater to cars that run on a largely ethanol blend. Even Rudy Giuliani was plumping for the stuff this week, a sign that an Iowa campaign stop may be in his future. We'd say the world had gone mad, except that this is a fairly typical case study in how political meddling distorts energy markets. Weary of high gas prices, drivers can be forgiven for desiring a miracle fuel that is allegedly cheap and clean. But the corn farmers, ethanol producers, politicians and environmentalists who have promoted the new ethanol mania have no excuse for peddling misinformation. 1 Can Ethanol Solve the Nation's Energy Problems?2 We have nothing against corn-based ethanol per se, assuming it competes in the market on the same basis as other fuels. Ethanol's problem is that it is expensive to make and provides far fewer miles per gallon than gasoline. So its supporters have worked the political system to subsidize ethanol, and more recently to force Americans to buy it. U.S. taxpayers today pay twice for ethanol: once in crop subsidies to corn farmers and again in a 51-cent subsidy for every gallon of ethanol. Without such a subsidy, ethanol simply wouldn't be cost competitive with gasoline. Then last year, Congress went further and passed a new ethanol mandate, requiring drivers to use at least 7.5 billion gallons annually by 2012. The immediate consequence of this new mandate was higher gasoline prices this spring, since the ethanol industry was ill-equipped to meet the new demand. Ethanol must also be carried by truck or rail, rather than through pipelines, and it requires special blending facilities. All this has both raised prices and created gas shortages around the country. But rather than blame their new mandate for the higher prices, the Members of Congress blamed, of course, Big Oil. Ah, but what about the other alleged virtues of ethanol? One favorite is that every gallon of ethanol will supplant a gallon of gasoline imported from tyrannical Mideast oil regimes. Thus, a la Brazil, ethanol can help the U.S. achieve the miracle of energy independence. Sorry. The most widely cited research on this subject comes from Cornell's David Pimental and Berkeley's Ted Patzek. They've found that it takes more than a gallon of fossil fuel to make one gallon of ethanol -- 29% more. That's because it takes enormous amounts of fossil-fuel energy to grow corn (using fertilizer and irrigation), to transport the crops and then to turn that corn into ethanol. The Saudis ought to love the stuff. As for Brazil, few in ethanol's cheering section admit that the country's ethanol infrastructure required huge taxpayer subsidies over decades. And the U.S. already produces more ethanol than Brazil because the American automobile market is about 23 times larger. To produce enough ethanol for the entire U.S. car market would mean planting over much more of the country than Iowa. Ethanol is also said to be vital for reducing smog. This fiction is even written into the Clean Air Act, which mandates the use of oxygenates -- of which ethanol is the leading type. But studies from the National Academy of Sciences and the Environmental Protection Agency's own Blue Ribbon Panel have shown that oxygenates don't do much to clear up hazy air. That's especially the case now with ever more clean-burning engines. Alas, none of these facts seem to count for much in the current U.S. energy debate. Ethanol has powerful promoters in the farm states especially, and its lobbyists have skillfully marketed their product as the answer to dirty air, global warming and even military deployments in the Middle East. The share price of America's largest ethanol producer, Archer Daniels Midland, has climbed by 80% in the last year alone, though you won't find anyone in Washington lamenting that windfall profit. Meanwhile, Congress is discussing the prospect of ginning up a subsidy for sugarcane ethanol as part of its next farm bill -- as if U.S. sugar growers need more aid and protection from the government. President Bush, for his part, has been promoting research in cellulosic ethanol, produced from things like switch grass or wood chips. A scientific breakthrough is said to be just around the corner, which may or may not be true but is the kind of thing we've been hearing since Jimmy Carter's day. Perhaps all of this will prove to be the political investment of the century. Perhaps the subsidies and mandates will lead to new private investments, which will lead to new scientific breakthroughs,
Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Lever( 1987 190D 2.5T)
Marshall Booth wrote: I've never seen one that could be fixed. Be careful buying a used one (or even a new one), there a at last three different versions and NONE are interchangeable with the other. Were all three used on the 190Dt in 1987?
[MBZ] I get a wierd feeling about this car
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-S-Class-Trbo-1985-Mercedes-300SD-Turbo-Diesel-ROCK-SOLID-30MPG-RARE_W0QQitemZ15856840QQihZ005QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
[MBZ] cheap 2.5 turbo
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-1993-Mercedes-Benz-300D-2-5-Turbo-diesel_W0QQitemZ26905630QQihZ016QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Cruise Control Lever( 1987 190D 2.5T)
Mitch Haley wrote: Marshall Booth wrote: I've never seen one that could be fixed. Be careful buying a used one (or even a new one), there a at last three different versions and NONE are interchangeable with the other. Were all three used on the 190Dt in 1987? I BELIEVE that only the 3rd version was used on the '87 201, but I do NOT know that for sure. There were substantial differences between early and late '87 190Ds. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ
At some time fairly close to Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:06:55 EDT, rumor has it that [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can Ethanol Solve the Nation's Energy Problems?2 URL for this article: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB115049715522182863.html Maybe biodiesel can. But not from soybeans! I must confess that I am a fan of biodiesel, so it should be no surprise that I thing biodiesel is a better choice. *smile* So let the the average automobile use gasoline/ethenol. The trains, planes, ships, and trucks can get their fuel from alge. For more info, see: http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html --Philip, not making my own - yet.
[MBZ] holy smokes
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250001179167fromMakeTrack=true -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] I get a wierd feeling about this car
haha. BS on the mileage, BS on SD means sedan diesel, and why was it repainted? On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:52:09 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-S-Class-Trbo-1985-Mercedes-300SD-Turbo-Diesel-ROCK-SOLID-30MPG-RARE_W0QQitemZ15856840QQihZ005QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (236 kmi) '82 300CD (160 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] I get a wierd feeling about this car
probably to cover up the rust. Later one he is rambling something about it has climate control for the drivers and passenger side. Luther Gulseth wrote: haha. BS on the mileage, BS on SD means sedan diesel, and why was it repainted? On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:52:09 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-S-Class-Trbo-1985-Mercedes-300SD-Turbo-Diesel-ROCK-SOLID-30MPG-RARE_W0QQitemZ15856840QQihZ005QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OkieQ report
Is he going to sleep tonight, or will he be a zombie at the party tomorrow (again)? I'm finishing a 3850 mile vacation trip - won't be there this year (one zombie at a time is enough). On 6/23/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LT Don has arrived. -- -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] REMOTE STARTER FOR 1983 300D
The remote system on my SDL is a Viper by DEI, model RPN471T. On 6/21/06, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The PO had installed a remote starter/lock system in the SDL - I can't remember the brand, but it's still available. A timer delays starting - sometimes it's right, other times (very cold) it's not long enough. The engine does die if you step on the brake without turning the key in the ignition switch. I don't find the remote starting to be reliable enough to mess with. The remote locking is very handy, since I haven't replaced the broken drivers door locking assembly yet - OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] OkieQ report
panzy On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:28:24 -0500, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is he going to sleep tonight, or will he be a zombie at the party tomorrow (again)? I'm finishing a 3850 mile vacation trip - won't be there this year (one zombie at a time is enough). On 6/23/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LT Don has arrived. -- -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (236 kmi) '82 300CD (160 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] holy smokes
mmm, just a bit crispy On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:01:50 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250001179167fromMakeTrack=true -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (236 kmi) '82 300CD (160 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ
but now we have nanoDiesel! Chris David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry. The most widely cited research on this subject comes from Cornell's David Pimental and Berkeley's Ted Patzek. They've found that it takes more than a gallon of fossil fuel to make one gallon of ethanol -- 29% more. Before we start feeling too smug, it's worth noting that the same pair studied biodiesel and found it had a negative energy balance, as well. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 214K, Wulf -1982 300D, 116K -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, One Banger - Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Jun 24 05:06:08 2006 Received: from ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au ([203.59.1.199] helo=mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fu0LQ-0001md-95 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:06:08 + Received: from 203-173-32-241.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO yourwxrsc38umf) ([203.173.32.241]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony5.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 24 Jun 2006 13:05:58 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AA== X-IronPort-AV: i=4.06,170,1149436800; d=scan'208; a=813247907:sNHT17786568 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:35:54 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] I get a wierd feeling about this car X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:06:09 - I like the part about re-introducing the air bag, I think he meant to say that they finally figured out how to make it so it doesn't blow up in your face while going down the road at a 100 miles an hour. Hendrik no air bags but fun bags on the missus - Original Message - From: Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] I get a wierd feeling about this car I think that's ramblings about the things MB pioneered in the 126 class. On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:16:55 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: probably to cover up the rust. Later one he is rambling something about it has climate control for the drivers and passenger side. Luther Gulseth wrote: haha. BS on the mileage, BS on SD means sedan diesel, and why was it repainted? On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:52:09 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-S-Class-Trbo-1985-Mercedes-300SD-Turbo-Diesel-ROCK-SOLID-30MPG-RARE_W0QQitemZ15856840QQihZ005QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (236 kmi) '82 300CD (160 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006
Re: [MBZ] OkieQ report
No, he is probably asleep right now since he is so old, he cant stay up late. OK Don wrote: Is he going to sleep tonight, or will he be a zombie at the party tomorrow (again)? I'm finishing a 3850 mile vacation trip - won't be there this year (one zombie at a time is enough). On 6/23/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LT Don has arrived. -- -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] I get a wierd feeling about this car
o, well he kept talking about a bunch of crap that was not relevant to this car. Luther Gulseth wrote: I think that's ramblings about the things MB pioneered in the 126 class. On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:16:55 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: probably to cover up the rust. Later one he is rambling something about it has climate control for the drivers and passenger side. Luther Gulseth wrote: haha. BS on the mileage, BS on SD means sedan diesel, and why was it repainted? On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:52:09 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-S-Class-Trbo-1985-Mercedes-300SD-Turbo-Diesel-ROCK-SOLID-30MPG-RARE_W0QQitemZ15856840QQihZ005QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] I get a wierd feeling about this car
and some poor sucker is gonna buy the car for 6,000 thinking it has it all. On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 00:07:16 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: o, well he kept talking about a bunch of crap that was not relevant to this car. Luther Gulseth wrote: I think that's ramblings about the things MB pioneered in the 126 class. On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:16:55 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: probably to cover up the rust. Later one he is rambling something about it has climate control for the drivers and passenger side. Luther Gulseth wrote: haha. BS on the mileage, BS on SD means sedan diesel, and why was it repainted? On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:52:09 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-S-Class-Trbo-1985-Mercedes-300SD-Turbo-Diesel-ROCK-SOLID-30MPG-RARE_W0QQitemZ15856840QQihZ005QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (236 kmi) '82 300CD (160 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] I get a wierd feeling about this car
probably to cover up the rust. Later one he is rambling something about it has climate control for the drivers and passenger side. It does. But not _separate_ control for both sides! (Unless you get a non-ACC car, but even the 115 has that.) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Anyone happan to have downloaded the on-line manual section for IP removal?
on 6/23/06 1:35 PM, Marshall Booth at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve MacSween wrote: I seem to have downloaded just about every section BUT that one, from skinnerbox, however the braingears site doesn't have it. Somewhere around 07-200, I think. FOR WHAT YEAR AND MODEL CAR? OOOPS Sorry, thought I had put it into the subject line. 1982 240d. Thx -- Mac Steve MacSween Aylmer, Quebec (Canada) Mercedes: '82 300sd / '82 240d (x2) / '60 220s Volvo: '87 245 (waiting for OM616 transplant) SAAB: '83 900T (waiting for a miracle)
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ
Gee, if those teensy weensy subsidies are all that would get paid to the corn folks, we'd better jump on it. That's nothing compared to all the direct and indirect subsidies that we shell out to the oil companies. A couple of years ago the estimates for what a gal of gas really costs in the us ( but the price is hidden because of all the subsidies, costs of military support around the world for oil co business, etc ad nausium ) was between $8-12 a gal...and that was before Katrina and all the latest batch of oil co handouts. Hey, if we're going to be paying sideways for fuel through taxes anyway, might as well be paying US farmers, instead of sending all the cash elsewhere. --Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An Energy Field of Dreams June 17, 2006; Page A10 Be like Brazil have never been words to live by except perhaps in soccer or samba. But suddenly Americans are being told we should imitate Brazil in its expensive devotion to driving cars that run on ethanol. VeraSun Energy, the second-largest U.S. ethanol producer, was the talk of Wall Street this week with its IPO. Wal-Mart wants to install pumps to cater to cars that run on a largely ethanol blend. Even Rudy Giuliani was plumping for the stuff this week, a sign that an Iowa campaign stop may be in his future. We'd say the world had gone mad, except that this is a fairly typical case study in how political meddling distorts energy markets. Weary of high gas prices, drivers can be forgiven for desiring a miracle fuel that is allegedly cheap and clean. But the corn farmers, ethanol producers, politicians and environmentalists who have promoted the new ethanol mania have no excuse for peddling misinformation. 1 Can Ethanol Solve the Nation's Energy Problems?2 We have nothing against corn-based ethanol per se, assuming it competes in the market on the same basis as other fuels. Ethanol's problem is that it is expensive to make and provides far fewer miles per gallon than gasoline. So its supporters have worked the political system to subsidize ethanol, and more recently to force Americans to buy it. U.S. taxpayers today pay twice for ethanol: once in crop subsidies to corn farmers and again in a 51-cent subsidy for every gallon of ethanol. Without such a subsidy, ethanol simply wouldn't be cost competitive with gasoline. Then last year, Congress went further and passed a new ethanol mandate, requiring drivers to use at least 7.5 billion gallons annually by 2012. The immediate consequence of this new mandate was higher gasoline prices this spring, since the ethanol industry was ill-equipped to meet the new demand. Ethanol must also be carried by truck or rail, rather than through pipelines, and it requires special blending facilities. All this has both raised prices and created gas shortages around the country. But rather than blame their new mandate for the higher prices, the Members of Congress blamed, of course, Big Oil. Ah, but what about the other alleged virtues of ethanol? One favorite is that every gallon of ethanol will supplant a gallon of gasoline imported from tyrannical Mideast oil regimes. Thus, a la Brazil, ethanol can help the U.S. achieve the miracle of energy independence. Sorry. The most widely cited research on this subject comes from Cornell's David Pimental and Berkeley's Ted Patzek. They've found that it takes more than a gallon of fossil fuel to make one gallon of ethanol -- 29% more. That's because it takes enormous amounts of fossil-fuel energy to grow corn (using fertilizer and irrigation), to transport the crops and then to turn that corn into ethanol. The Saudis ought to love the stuff. As for Brazil, few in ethanol's cheering section admit that the country's ethanol infrastructure required huge taxpayer subsidies over decades. And the U.S. already produces more ethanol than Brazil because the American automobile market is about 23 times larger. To produce enough ethanol for the entire U.S. car market would mean planting over much more of the country than Iowa. Ethanol is also said to be vital for reducing smog. This fiction is even written into the Clean Air Act, which mandates the use of oxygenates -- of which ethanol is the leading type. But studies from the National Academy of Sciences and the Environmental Protection Agency's own Blue Ribbon Panel have shown that oxygenates don't do much to clear up hazy air. That's especially the case now with ever more clean-burning engines. Alas, none of these facts seem to count for much in the current U.S. energy debate. Ethanol has powerful promoters in the farm states especially, and its lobbyists have skillfully marketed their product as the answer to dirty air, global warming and even military deployments in the Middle East. The share price of America's largest ethanol producer, Archer Daniels Midland, has climbed by 80% in the last year alone, though you won't find anyone in Washington
Re: [MBZ] holy smokes
Biodegradable wiring harness biodegraded a little faster than usual! On 6/23/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mmm, just a bit crispy On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:01:50 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250001179167fromMakeTrack=true
Re: [MBZ] Non-Project 240D in Washington
Congratulations Jim-sounds like a real happy ending. Hope you didn't pass the name to new owner. Sounds like the white dove would be better name for this circumstance. Dwight Dwight Giles, Jr 1979 240D auto, 250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles Wickford, RI Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co. The Albatross has been sold. W -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 7, Issue 124
On 6/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Message: 12 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 00:07:16 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] I get a wierd feeling about this car To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed o, well he kept talking about a bunch of crap that was not relevant to this car. Luther Gulseth wrote: I think that's ramblings about the things MB pioneered in the 126 class. On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:16:55 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: probably to cover up the rust. Later one he is rambling something about it has climate control for the drivers and passenger side. And no Check Engine lights lit!!! Tootle melodiously through the greasemud, indeed. Tony Wirtel
Re: [MBZ] I get a wierd feeling about this car
Some sludge on the engine but no oil leaks??? HHMM?? Mike - Original Message - From: Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 11:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] I get a wierd feeling about this car haha. BS on the mileage, BS on SD means sedan diesel, and why was it repainted? On Fri, 23 Jun 2006 21:52:09 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-S-Class-Trbo-1985-Mercedes-300SD-Turbo-Diesel-ROCK-SOLID-30MPG-RARE_W0QQitemZ15856840QQihZ005QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (236 kmi) '82 300CD (160 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ
Of course it does the way they figure it. They figure crops produced strictly for fuel purposes and all of the costs associated including trucking such crops. What are they doing with the waste parts of the soybean plant and/or the mash from distilling the E? Are they considering selling that product to local farmers as a base feedstock for dairy cows? NO, they consider it waste and have to find a way to dispose of it.More Dinosaurs burnt in the production. There ARE ways to offset their findings on both Ethanol and BioD. Consider localized growing and production to eliminate the trucking part. At least until it's fuel. How about running the equipment from the fuel produced? As the technology advances all of the processes will become more efficient. I live not far from CornellMoney sometimes tends to buy the results that are desired if you know what I mean. Mike - Original Message - From: David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry. The most widely cited research on this subject comes from Cornell's David Pimental and Berkeley's Ted Patzek. They've found that it takes more than a gallon of fossil fuel to make one gallon of ethanol -- 29% more. Before we start feeling too smug, it's worth noting that the same pair studied biodiesel and found it had a negative energy balance, as well. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 190D rear speakers
Anybody got a set of factory speakers that are still good that they want to unload? The ones in mine are totally fried. I could upgrade, but I don't really need/want to. Then there's that whole tightwad thing I've got going... This car was wired for hot sound, including four shielded RCA lines to the trunk and very heavy power wiring, but the mess they'd left under the dash... I've been having some trouble putting it back to stock. The current plan is to have it wired for both the Becker 780 I picked up and a JVC w/CD player. If you're going to put in all new lines there's no reason to ruin all the stock wiring, and if you're going to remove the hot stereo before offing the car the ability to put back the stock stuff easily has got to enhance the resale value. -- Jim
[MBZ] What a difference 1000 miles makes
So I decided to add on the last 1000 miles to my fuel economy spreadsheet, Marshall had chided me for the poor numbers I'd posted before. The last 1000 miles saw both the best and second best tanks so far at 39.24 mpg and 36.78 mpg raising the overall total over 7,919 miles to an average of 35.51, high was 39.24, low was 26.18. So definate improvement, the average on my 240D was 28.48 with a high of 30.82 and low of 26.59. I attribute the high tank to attempting to reduce my average speed. I generally keep it at 75-80mph each way, I'm trying to keep to more like 65-70 and keep some extra money in my pocket. -Curt '85 190D Dory 241kmi - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Jun 24 14:53:54 2006 Received: from sccrmhc15.comcast.net ([204.127.200.85]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Fu9WD-0007TK-PO for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:53:54 + Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-24-3-195-27.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[24.3.195.27]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc15) with ESMTP id 200606241453450150096cite; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:53:45 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 10:53:49 -0400 From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone happan to have downloaded the on-line manual section for IP removal? X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:53:54 - Steve MacSween wrote: on 6/23/06 1:35 PM, Marshall Booth at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve MacSween wrote: I seem to have downloaded just about every section BUT that one, from skinnerbox, however the braingears site doesn't have it. Somewhere around 07-200, I think. FOR WHAT YEAR AND MODEL CAR? OOOPS Sorry, thought I had put it into the subject line. 1982 240d. Thx Is this what you want? http://mb.braingears.com/123_DISK2/program/Engine/615/07-200.pdf Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ
Unless we change our farming practices, I suspect there is more energy consumed in the production of crops than there is BTU in the finished fuel (particularly ethanol, due to the distillation required). Biofuels can help quite a bit, especially using waste oils as diesel or biodiesel, but we cannot continue to consume fuel for transporation and electricity at the current rate and not face very high prices and shortages. We all need to do some serious re-thinking of our lifestyles, particularly the suburban sprawl part -- it's plain silly to live so far from where we work -- imagine how much money we would all have if we only drove for pleasure! Peter
Re: [MBZ] What a difference 1000 miles makes
Curt Raymond wrote: So I decided to add on the last 1000 miles to my fuel economy spreadsheet, Marshall had chided me for the poor numbers I'd posted before. The last 1000 miles saw both the best and second best tanks so far at 39.24 mpg and 36.78 mpg raising the overall total over 7,919 miles to an average of 35.51, high was 39.24, low was 26.18. So definate improvement, the average on my 240D was 28.48 with a high of 30.82 and low of 26.59. I attribute the high tank to attempting to reduce my average speed. I generally keep it at 75-80mph each way, I'm trying to keep to more like 65-70 and keep some extra money in my pocket. At 75-80 you will NOT get 40 mpg in a 201.122 with a 5 spd and a 601.921 engine. Keep it in the 55-65 range and you can. I've done it hundreds of times. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ
What, DECENTRALIZATION HERESY!!! BUILD THE BONFIRES BURN THE HERETICS! DEFEND THE ORTHODOXY Centralization of production rather than distributed production (of anything) is one of the reasons we consume so much oil. Shipping oosts then dictate all sorts of stupid waste (one use bottles, mountains of packaging materials, and so forth), to say nothing of the necessifty for millions of tons of concrete and asphalt, etc. One way out of the energy crunch is to return to the systems we had 50 or more years ago -- many small local manufacturers, much more limited distribution, much more local character, etc. Unfortunately, this also means considerably less profit for the big guys (mostly subsidized by low wages and tax inputs -- roads, subsidies, incentives, etc), and since money buys political power these days, I don't foresee any changes until things get MUCH worse. Mankind has been operating on the assumption that there is an infinite supply of everything and it's all free for the taking for quite a while now, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary. We are literally on the edge of eating the planet brown (no green in the summer on satilite photos of China!), and the pollution rolling out of China and India can indeed make the US pre-72 look pretty benign. We still wash millions of tons of feedlot manure into rivers each year -- no way to economically recycle it. However, if all that beef and pork were produced on small farms, it would all go right back into the ground as fertilizer instead. Peter
Re: [MBZ] 190D rear speakers
Nearly all aftermarket manufacturers make conversion harnesses (not that the DR STEREO places stock them!) that will connect the new system to the stock wiring without cutting anything. You will need to run new wiring for external amps, etc, but that's not a problem. Leaving the stock wiring in place is best. Do, however, fuse the power supply to EVERYTHING -- shorted amps cause car fires all the time since none of the cheapo stereo installation guys EVER seem to put a fuse in the supply line. Peter
Re: [MBZ] 190D rear speakers
I just picked up a set of factory rear speakers from a '91 300E (W124), which I believe originally had a separate tweeter, but someone got them before me, so it's just the big horns. Not sure if they'll fit the W201 On 6/24/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody got a set of factory speakers that are still good that they want to unload? The ones in mine are totally fried. I could upgrade, but I don't really need/want to. Then there's that whole tightwad thing I've got going... This car was wired for hot sound, including four shielded RCA lines to the trunk and very heavy power wiring, but the mess they'd left under the dash... I've been having some trouble putting it back to stock. The current plan is to have it wired for both the Becker 780 I picked up and a JVC w/CD player. If you're going to put in all new lines there's no reason to ruin all the stock wiring, and if you're going to remove the hot stereo before offing the car the ability to put back the stock stuff easily has got to enhance the resale value. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (215k) '84 300D (213k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] Portable Start Devices
Right on, I think many people misunderstand how jumpstarting works, with the marine battery and my 4ga jumper cables you put the cables on and wait a couple minutes, then spin 'er over and as long as the battery wasn't absolutely flat and its not -20F you'll be fine. One couple (ironically the people who abuse the remote starter) have borrowed the battery probably 15 times this year as I now absolutely refuse to go out jump their cars for them anymore. The first couple times I helped them I'd no sooner get the cables connected then they'd be in there hitting the key. Well hells bells let it charge for a second anyway... These are people who for some reason can't learn to turn the headlights off. Their apartment faces the parkinglot for cryin out loud! Some people's children. -Curt Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:44:23 -0700 From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Portable Start Devices To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I looked at these a couple years ago when I needed portable power to run the block heater on my 240D. I came to the conclusion that they're all too small to be much use unless you're just fighting a weakened battery. Most were like [EMAIL PROTECTED] which isn't enough to start a diesel. Most of them don't have full-power 12V outputs, they're just tapping the field generator for you. If it were designed for full output at +12V it would be pretty strong. When jump starting, the donor battery is only doing part of the work, the majority of the starting energy is coming from the charge imparted to the formerly-dead battery. Unless you have some seriously oversized jumper cables. -- Jim - Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Jun 24 16:28:33 2006 Received: from web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.43]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FuAzp-00072L-1L for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 16:28:33 + Received: (qmail 27388 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jun 2006 16:28:24 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [71.232.75.128] by web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:28:24 PDT Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:28:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.7.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 16:28:33 - The interesting thing for me about the ethanol/biodiesel debate is the twofaced marketing speak from the oil industry. The oil industry would have you believe that our oil reserves will last forever. They'll site people in the'20s saying we were nearing peak oil and we'd run out within 10 years. They'll say that because people were wrong in the 20's they MUST be wrong now. Then they'll tell you how ethanol/biodiesel is energy negative and how theres absolutely no way it can ever be anything but and we should just give up on the idea since after all we're going to have plenty of oil to ride around in our 4mpg behemoths and keep our 4000 sqft McMansions at a solid 70f for all time using that clean burning absolutely safe, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain oil. On the other hand you get big AG like ADM and Cargill. Every year or so the oil industry gets investigated and minor fines levied. Every decade or so big AG gets investigated and MILLIONS of dollars in fines are actually paid out by Agribusiness. So interestingly we're moving from the oil industry whom we think is gouging us and in fact is on a relatively small scale to Agribusiness who has been GOUGING THE EVERLOVING SNOT out of us for something like 50 years now. To me its an awful lot like getting pecked to death by ducks. -Curt Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:02:30 -0500 From: Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1;
Re: [MBZ] 190D rear speakers
I just picked up a set of factory rear speakers from a '91 300E (W124), which I believe originally had a separate tweeter, but someone got them before me, so it's just the big horns. Not sure if they'll fit the W201 The ones that came out are small rounds, look just like the dash speakers. 3.5? 4? -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 190D rear speakers
It looks like the rears are ~5 and the fronts are ~4.25--sorry. On 6/24/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just picked up a set of factory rear speakers from a '91 300E (W124), which I believe originally had a separate tweeter, but someone got them before me, so it's just the big horns. Not sure if they'll fit the W201 The ones that came out are small rounds, look just like the dash speakers. 3.5? 4? Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (215k) '84 300D (213k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
[MBZ] Repacing Speedo Cable
I am headed out to replace the speedo cable in our 1990 300TE - anyone have any tips to make this easy? I am hoping I can use the old cable to pull the new one in. Dave Wakin
Re: [MBZ] New Winding Road Issue
I read issue #10, good magazine, especially for the price. Thanks. Mitch.
[MBZ] was: Repacing Speedo Cable, now - speedo resistance
OK, I got the new cable in easily - but I am hesitant to try the car out as the speedo is very hard to turn manually. With the end of a file in it, I can turn it, but there is quite a bit of resistance. With the cable in it, I can not turn it from the other end. This doesn't seem right. Should the speedo turn easy, or is it supposed to have resistance? Thanks! Dave Wakin 1990 300TE - Original Message - From: Wakin's [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 1:39 PM Subject: [MBZ] Repacing Speedo Cable I am headed out to replace the speedo cable in our 1990 300TE - anyone have any tips to make this easy? I am hoping I can use the old cable to pull the new one in. Dave Wakin ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ
Monopolies strangle trade, that's why they were either broken up or regulated heavily in the late 1920's -- even JP Morgan and other Robber Barons supported income taxes and government regulation of business, after the gleaming example of what happens when government doesn't (e.i. the Great Depression). The '29 crash wasn't actually much more spectacular than the previous six or seven, but the economy had become fully industrialized rather than industry supported by independent agriculture, and the economy couldn't recover via a decent crop like it had in the past.. It took a world war and twenty years of grinding poverty and general hard times to dig out from the hole unregulated business and trading dug for us. Makes a person wonder when anyone would champion no government or market driven economies. I guess all the experienced voices have retired Certainly most of the safeguards have been lifted, and corporate profits and CEO salaries and benefits are approaching the levels of the late 20s, if stock prices haven't soared as much. ADM has enjoyed an illegal monopoly on purchasing agricultural products for decades, and has been (along with the owners in person) convicted of market manipulation and price fixing twice that I know of. Boy are we in for one hell of a party..! Peter
Re: [MBZ] Repacing Speedo Cable
Did you get just the inside cable or the whole thing? I would recommend getting a new housing too -- likely the old one is scarred from the bad cable, and the new inner one will die fast. I suspect you must remove the console to get the new cable in. Peter
[MBZ] Okie Q Updates/Photos
Those of us who couldn't attend are expexting, within reason, updates of antics and any important photos when warrented. I'm sure you're aware of this, Okie Q Host-boy? Bob Rentfro From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Jun 24 19:40:49 2006 Received: from mxa.windwireless.net ([199.164.167.40]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FuDzt-0006M2-2p for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 19:40:49 + Received: from dogear.com (dhcp-206-63-95-35.dialup.windwireless.net [206.63.95.35] (may be forged)) by mxa.windwireless.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k5OJfNMM023891 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:41:23 -0700 Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:58:43 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scan: smtp-vilter X-SMTP-Vilter-Version: 1.1.0rc2 X-SMTP-Vilter-Backend: Clam AntiVirus Daemon (clamd) X-SMTP-Vilter-Status: clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0rc4 (mxa.windwireless.net [199.164.167.40]); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:41:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D rear speakers X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 19:40:49 - I just picked up a set of factory rear speakers from a '91 300E (W124), which I believe originally had a separate tweeter, but someone got them before me, so it's just the big horns. Not sure if they'll fit the W201 The ones that came out are small rounds, look just like the dash speakers. 3.5? 4? -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ
Makes a person wonder when anyone would champion no government or market driven economies. I guess all the experienced voices have retired They're wonderful. The part that needs forcible restraint is that which allows for decreasing competition. When the economy is comprised of many competitors we all benefit. But if 'efficiency' causes them to all coalesce that's when we will (eventually) lose big. It's a difficult balancing act. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Okie Q Updates/Photos
On 6/24/06 2:08 PM, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Those of us who couldn't attend are expexting, within reason, updates of antics and any important photos when warrented. I'm sure you're aware of this, Okie Q Host-boy? The best okieQ picture is from several years ago: http://www.striplin.net/lists/ -- +-- GG 1997 SL500 (104k) http://homepage.mac.com/deneals/SL500.htm http://homepage.mac.com/deneals +--
Re: [MBZ] Portable Start Devices
Which reminds me - I keep threatening to install ignition switch operated relays in the headlight circuits of all our cars, but have never actually gotten around to doing it. On 6/24/06, Levi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I definitely appreciate the buzzer for the headlights on my 83' 300D, or Our Subaru's which shut the lights off when the key is switched off. I *normally* remember, but on occasion, I might forget more often without the -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Ethanol/from the WSJ
Jim Cathey wrote: Makes a person wonder when anyone would champion no government or market driven economies. I guess all the experienced voices have retired They're wonderful. The part that needs forcible restraint is that which allows for decreasing competition. When the economy is comprised of many competitors we all benefit. But if 'efficiency' causes them to all coalesce that's when we will (eventually) lose big. It's a difficult balancing act. And often, when a big company wants gov't regulation, it's to prevent small companies from becoming competitive. With WalMart paying retail workers $9 an hour or so, with little health insurance expense, it's no wonder they favor raising the minimum wage from $5.15 but not making health coverage mandatory. GM, which has net operating losses and pays no taxes for the forseeable future, pays a fortune for health insurance. Is it any wonder GM favors taxpayer financed health coverage? Can you imagine what would happen if the federal government restricted itself to the matters that the Constitution allows it to meddle in, and lowered overall taxes by 95%? They could get by on tariffs and excise taxes, and millions of former government workers would be out of work. I suspect the changeover would be highly painful.
Re: [MBZ] Portable Start Devices
OK Don wrote: Which reminds me - I keep threatening to install ignition switch operated relays in the headlight circuits of all our cars, but have never actually gotten around to doing it. My 1970's Saabs were like that, except for the '77 99EMS. The original owner switched a couple of wires when he was hooking up the stereo and the headlights were full time but the parking lights shut off with the ignition. I fixed that the first week I owned the car.
