Re: [MBZ] 1985 500sel $500

[Ed Booher]

But it's not currently running, right? So it has to be drug wherever it's going.

On 8/24/06, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

columbus, OH near the airport.

On 8/24/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> where is it located?
>
> Sunil Hari wrote:
>
> > RE:  1985 500SEL
> >
> > Update - went and saw the car - decent body, interior is beaten
> up.  Driver
> > seat missing a chunk and leather is hard.  Two or three door panels are
> off,
> > and at least one window and motor need to be replaced.  Needs a new fuel
> > tank.  Supposedly, the motor and tranny are in good shape.
> >
> > He's motivated to sell.  Anyone want it?  I don't have the time for it.
> >
> > On 8/22/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>probably, if the rest of it was good.  140k is not much.
> >>
> >>Sunil Hari wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>would you buy a 500sel with 140K for $500?  it needs a gas tank and a
> >>
> >>window
> >>
> >>>and window motor; otherwise, the guy claims it's good to go.
> >>>
> >>
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> >>Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
> >>  91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
> >>  85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
> >>  76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
> >>http://www.striplin.net
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>   91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
>   85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
>   76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] G-Series?

[Rich Thomas]

Yeah -- G for gray!  It is a gray gray market car?

--R

Michael Hall wrote:
The owner of the car said, in response to me asking what a G-Series was 
and telling him it looked like a normal 280 Se and thus isn't worth near 
his reserve, said the following:


"As for as I know but don't quote me on this G-series is know as one of 
last handmade German cars of this type this is just what we have been 
told by previous owner, and it has something to do with the gray color 
of the car. Sorry that is all I know. "


Whoops, I just quoted you . . . and you're officially an idiot.

Mike

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Thats the only "G" series I know of 
 
Harry

69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL   108,000 Miles
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In normally accepted mercedes speak the  G series refers to the Gwagon -
W460,W461,W463 series
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Re: [MBZ] Vandalism

[Mitch Haley]

Jim Cathey wrote:
> 
> BTDT, way more than I ought.  I'm my own vandal, at least so far
> as Unimog taillight lenses go!  The gap-filling kind works well for
> this.  Proceed with care, and make sure you consider the _next_
> pieces to go together before gluing one on, you don't want to get
> to the point where you can't physically get the piece into the right
> place without breaking something.

Have you considered Goop instead of CA glue?

Re: [MBZ] Does anyone out there know why when I post something and there's no te xt body? Kaleb hasn't responded.

[Rich Thomas]

You're a failure.  Test over.

On perhaps a more helpful note, what kind of email client are you using?

See this note on the mail: 


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Suggests that whatever is in the text body is not recognizable -- perhaps your 
email client has changed, or your ISP is doing something funky?

--R


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Re: [MBZ] Vandalism

[Mitch Haley]

andrew strasfogel wrote:
> 
> My most recent vandalism was when somebody broke a hole (with a hammer?) in
> the RR taillight on the 1983 300TD wagon.  If anybody has a spare, please
> let me know.

That's probably the source of the 1" hole my 190Dt recently grew in the
windshield. They also punched the trunk lock, but apparently never got it open.
I'm not sure how I'm going to get it open now. Now you know why I immediately
thought of gunplay when mbz vandalism came up in discussion here.

Re: [MBZ] Does anyone out there know why when I post something and there's no te xt body? Kaleb hasn't responded.

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

you need to send plain text to the list.  Any other formatting will 
cause it to be scrubbed.


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 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

[MBZ] 190D crank position sensor?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Just got in an 84 190D.  Guy said they stole the crank position sensor 
off it, and included a new (well used) one.  It has a cable, with the 
sensor end almost about like the speedo sensor.  Never really heard of a 
crank position sensor on these, where does this thing mount if there is 
one?  Is this the pickup for the tach on the bell housing?

--
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Automotive clay

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yep

Zeitgeist wrote:

uh huh.

On 8/24/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


huh?

andrew strasfogel wrote:

Huh?




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 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] 124 Trans diagnosis

[Hendrik Riessen]

Nah, the really macho amongst us use their mouth to clean the 
dipstickand no spitting is not allowed.

Also allows us to taste the condition of the fluid.

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balls/springs do before taking things apart.  Something as small as a
piece
of lint from a paper towel used to check the ATF level can cause
problems.


That's why the preferred technique involves wiping the blade down with
your fingers after wiping off the oil.  Then you wipe your fingers on
the towel.  For the macho, skip the initial towel wipe altogether!


I wouldn't hesitate to replace the primary pump or the bands, but if
the
valve body needs work, I'd try to find a used or rebuilt one.


See, I'd be just the reverse.  Something that can be easily removed
from the car without a lot of grunt work is appealing.  Though I've
never done one I suppose I wouldn't be afraid to try.  If it's broke
before I start there's little I can do to it that'll make it worse.
Also, I once as a foolish 'yout' disassembled the carriage of a Friden
rotary calculator.  Trying to get _that_ back together was a real
exercise in complexity and spring-loaded flying steel balls.  Btw,
I did get it back together and it worked.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] a possible good deal, '77 280SE $350?

[Curt Raymond]

How much is "not much power"? There are a buttload of 280SEs around lately.
I'd briefly considered getting one but realized for us the fuel economy would 
be a problem.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:45:02 -0500
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Look for rust, a BIG problem on those.  The engines are dogs, suck gas 
and dont have much power.  After you get done with the car and make it 
nice, you will have, oh, about a $400 car.




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The owner of the car said, in response to me asking what a G-Series was 
and telling him it looked like a normal 280 Se and thus isn't worth near 
his reserve, said the following:

"As for as I know but don't quote me on this G-series is know as one of 
last handmade German cars of this type this is just what we have been 
told by previous owner, and it has something to do with the gray color 
of the car. Sorry that is all I know. "

Whoops, I just quoted you . . . and you're officially an idiot.

Mike

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>  
> Harry
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Re: [MBZ] Story of a local greedy crack-smoker

[Curt Raymond]

Oh theres lots of crack smoking buyers out there too its just a matter of 
making a connection.
I looked at a 300D the other day they wanted $2200 for, same sort of deal but 
the trans was just
slipping, I figured it had some life left in it interior was totally beat. I 
offered $800, I need
a car for my wife to drive just to town and back. The guy just laughed at me. I 
checked in with him
yesterday and some maroon (or so he claims) bought it for the full $2200...

Worse was the maroon selling an '83 300D for $1800, I was prepared to offer 
$1500 when I went to
for a test drive which I'd scheduled 3 days in advance. He sold it just 5 
minutes before i arrived for $1200...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:35:30 -0400
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Called a guy who advertised a 1984 300D in the paper today - says the
transmission needs rebuilding and the car is pretty rusty.  Engine has
350,000 miles on it and he claims it burns zero oil.

He wants $1000 for this POS.And now he just wasted $60 on a 
newspaper
classified.

Any bets on how much it really goes for?  And what flavor crack was he
smoking?

This is the lesson I learn for responding to a classified ad without a
listed price ...

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> a rebuilt, but the failure mode suggests a snapped spring or a blown 
> out
> oring or gasket.  Some sudden failure that causes the pump
> pressure to be bled off.

But you don't know that pump pressure _is_ failing.  That, at least,
could be diagnosed via a pressure gauge on the transmission.  I
would think a gunked control passage would be just as likely,
and a whole lot less likely to cost you a buncha money.  (Except
maybe in hand cleaner.)

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 124 Trans diagnosis

[LarryT]

Hi Loren,
   IIRC, there's several 10mm bolts that are visible once the filter is 
removed - or maybe at each corner and visible with the filter still in 
place.  The last one I took apart was a 70 280S (with dreaded carbs) that 
had a bad primary pump and that was the early 80s - so it;s been a while. 
At the time, MB sold a manual for the AT with diagrams, etc so at least I 
had a road map.


   You're right about o-rings - there's at least 2 unless they've changed 
the way the valve body attaches from the one I did.  My experience is the 
basic design of the AT hasn't changed very much - until you start dealing 
with the new CVT (continuously variable transmission) trannys - they may 
have finally worked the bugs out of them.


   I understand about being in the "tow it away Vs. try to fix it" mode and 
you may bet lucky and find a steel ball that is sticking or some junk in the 
valve body - but as we mentioned - a piece of lint can cause problems and 
finding it may be a challenge, if thats the problem.  Of course, if you take 
things  apart at least you'll learn a lot.   I still think a fluid & filter 
change may be the cheapest & easiest thing to do first - even if it was 
changed recently a change could flush the lint out.


   Good Luck -  let me know if you have any questions -

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Thanks Larry,

do you know how the valve body is attached to the rest of the
transmission?  I am wondering about pulling it out and seeing if the 
gasket

or oring seal is the problem.  Maybe I could find a uses valve body.

Just hauling it to a dealer would cost about as much as a used trans, and 
I

am trying to avoid the expense of a used trans, but i think that is a lost
cause.  So, taking it to a stealership is not an option.

Loren


At 02:57 PM 8/24/2006, you wrote:

Hi Loren,
The valve body looks like a maze - with al the passageways having speing
loaded steels balls that are actuated by hydraulic pressure.  The danger 
is
when opening some of the housings you will be treated to the sight and 
sound
of a steel ball being propelled at slightly subsonic speed across the 
room -

ending up the the most difficult of places to extract it from.  BTDT.

It would be preferable for you to have a diagram of what the different
balls/springs do before taking things apart.  Something as small as a 
piece

of lint from a paper towel used to check the ATF level can cause problems.
Even though you changed the fluid & filter a few months ago doesn't mean 
it

wouldn't benefit from another change.

There are few AT technicians around who work on these things - partly
because of the complexity and partly the economical logic doesn't work -
it's quicker to replace the AT with a rebuilt or used unit.

Also, if you buy a rebuilt AT they may want your AT as core - and they 
do't

like to get a core that's been disassembled.

I wouldn't hesitate to replace the primary pump or the bands, but if the
valve body needs work, I'd try to find a used or rebuilt one.  I suspect a
new one. if available would be pretty steep.  You may want to find someone
who can say *exactly* what is wrong before doing much else.  Sometimes the
local stealerhip will put their gauges on a AT & diagnose it - but more
likely they'll say it's broke - you need a new one.

Good luck -

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> Herr Doktor,
>
> Is any of this fixable from underneath, without removing the trans?  I 
> put

> a filter and fluid in not long ago, I think it was May.  It has been
> working just fine, and was going down the highway when this started.  A
> broken spring or a blown oring seem plausible.  How is the valve body
> sealed to the transmission?  are there orings?  Are there springs in 
> the
> valve body?  I apologize if these are dumb questions, but I have 
> avoided

> working on AT until now.  (only had manual trans until we got the 240D
> about 10 years ago.)
>
> Loren
>
>
>>It's all a matter ATF pressure. Sounds like you are loosing pressure as
>>the transmission fluid heats up and that causes the transmission to
>>downshift and to NOT shift up. It can be a matter of wear, 

Re: [MBZ] Vandalism

[Curt Raymond]

I've successfully scabbed a piece of tailight lens into a broken lens before.
When I first got my 300TD it had just a tiny little hole broken into one 
taillight.
I went to the junkyard and found a piece of lens in the right color, cut it to 
fit and glued it in.
I beveled the edges of the hole and piece so it couldn't fall through easily 
while I was gluing it.
That lasted the year I had the car. It was hard to notice unless you knew it 
was there.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:36:16 -0700
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> Never thought of that - thanks - I'll look.
>> If you have the pieces, they can be glued back with superglue to
>> serve until you find a better-looking replacement.

BTDT, way more than I ought.  I'm my own vandal, at least so far
as Unimog taillight lenses go!  The gap-filling kind works well for
this.  Proceed with care, and make sure you consider the _next_
pieces to go together before gluing one on, you don't want to get
to the point where you can't physically get the piece into the right
place without breaking something.

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Jill's birthday!  I wonder if I can get this car off of the blocks and
out of her sight today as a present?  That'd please her more than just
about anything else I could get her.  The brake job ought to be
do-able, but what about the muffler welding?  I'd better get busy!

I got the brake drum/disk wire brushed off, and ground off the parking
brake lip.  I chased the lug threads with the tap, put the drum/disk
back on, and adjusted the parking brake shoes.  I checked the parking
brake handle adjustment and it was good as it sat, no need for
adjustment there.

I then jacked up the front of the car too and removed the front
wheels.  With my wife's help, as I was unable to make progress by
myself, I then bled the brakes.  We used the pump-the-pedal technique,
and verbal feedback as to when to push and release, synchronized with
the wrenching.  No worries using that technique, I'd already given the
master cylinder a clean bill of health.  Once we'd finished, the pedal
was nice and solid.

I then dropped the exhaust system.  There was a _huge_ crack in
the top of the pipe right where it entered the front resonator.  There
was also, as mentioned before, a long crack in the bottom of the pipe
right where it entered the rear muffler.

The MIG welder made short work of the cracks.  The large crack got
bridged with some scrap sheet metal, bead served to repair the other.
The welding went smoothly, and the exhaust system reinstalled without
significant trouble.  Time to test it out!

It worked!  The test drive went well, the brakes worked normally, the
parking brake was better than ever, and the exhaust leaks were gone.
I moved the car to the side of the house and cleaned up the mess.

Happy birthday, Jill.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 124 Trans diagnosis

[Loren Faeth]

yeah, I found the oring on Rusty's website.  He was also kind enough to 
send me an exploded diagram of the trans.  It appears to be a 722.320 from 
the info on Rusty's site.  I suppose I will have to pay for a used trans or 
a rebuilt, but the failure mode suggests a snapped spring or a blown out 
oring or gasket.  Some sudden failure that causes the pump

pressure to be bled off.

Loren
88 300TE US version.
Wishing I had a 124 junker with a 5 speed and a real clutch

At 04:41 PM 8/24/2006, you wrote:

> Anyone know how the pump seals to the trans case?

The front pump seals to the case with a large O ring.
You can't even look at it without removing the transmission
from the car and taking out the torque converter and removing
the front housing.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Automotive clay

[Zeitgeist]

uh huh.

On 8/24/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


huh?

andrew strasfogel wrote:

Huh?



Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (217k)
'84 300D (216k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
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Re: [MBZ] 300SDL ACC - not cold

[John W. Reames III]

On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, OK Don wrote:

> http://store.caig.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.183/.f
> "Name change in 2006: From CaiLube MCL to DeoxIT FaderLube, part
> numbers remain the same)"
Yep that is the stuff. It is really great on pots, btw.

> I haven't had to do much re-soldering, I never thought of removing the
> old solder first - just melt and add a bit more (generic 60/40
> multicore from All Electronics - a long time ago).

After my experience on the CC amps, I resolder on principle.  I tried just 
reflowing, and looked at it with a strong light and saw pinholes in the 
joints. I then tried adding solder to a reflow and after 3x on a dozen 
samples, I was unable to get consisistently good results, and I did not 
want to cook anything, I got annoyed and started using a soldapult and 
resoldering. On the PB boxes the only place I would worry about doing that 
is the switches themselves since they take daily abuse (using the 
electrical joints for mechanical support counts as abuse IMHO) 

BTW you might want to check the diodes in there to see if any are putzed. 
They should be common IN400x types.

Has anyone considered tracing out the pump wire and putting a fuse (or 
perhaps a PTC termistor .. ) on it internally ? (I suggest a PTC since it 
is common to use an NTC for soft-start in tube stuff)

-j.

Re: [MBZ] a possible good deal, '77 280SE $350?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Look for rust, a BIG problem on those.  The engines are dogs, suck gas 
and dont have much power.  After you get done with the car and make it 
nice, you will have, oh, about a $400 car.


kevin kraly wrote:

This car runs and drives, but there's a problem with it not starting 
sometimes.  Owner thinks that it's a coil, ignition switch or?  I'm betting 
that it's a faulty NSS, BTDT on one of my 78 300D's.  Jiggling the shifter 
got it to work a few times, but it eventually went out.  If I buy the car, 
it's getting the "Jim Cathey" treatment, cleaning out and hopefully 
resurrecting the switch rather than spending the $65 on a new one.  This 
would be my first W116.  Was this year/model equipped with the dreaded ACC 
servo?  This one may be fun to have around for a while although it's a 
(GASP!) gasser.  I know that the IP (or fuel distributors) can be very 
expensive for these 2.8L 6 cylinder engines.  Can valve adjustment be done 
on these as well?


TIA,

Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon, no MB's gas or diesel 



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Re: [MBZ] 1985 500sel $500

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

too far away.

Sunil Hari wrote:


columbus, OH near the airport.

On 8/24/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


where is it located?

Sunil Hari wrote:



RE:  1985 500SEL

Update - went and saw the car - decent body, interior is beaten


up.  Driver


seat missing a chunk and leather is hard.  Two or three door panels are


off,


and at least one window and motor need to be replaced.  Needs a new fuel
tank.  Supposedly, the motor and tranny are in good shape.

He's motivated to sell.  Anyone want it?  I don't have the time for it.

On 8/22/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



probably, if the rest of it was good.  140k is not much.

Sunil Hari wrote:




would you buy a 500sel with 140K for $500?  it needs a gas tank and a


window



and window motor; otherwise, the guy claims it's good to go.



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85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Automotive clay

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

huh?

andrew strasfogel wrote:


Huh?


On 8/24/06, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Apparently, Automotive Clay also shamelessly prowls the local PnP's.  His
skills with overspray remain to be seen.

On 8/24/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I thought Automotive Clay did things like own Gumps and shamelessly
prowl Craig's lists?



Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (217k)
'84 300D (216k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] 124 Trans diagnosis

[Jim Cathey]

Anyone know how the pump seals to the trans case?


The front pump seals to the case with a large O ring.
You can't even look at it without removing the transmission
from the car and taking out the torque converter and removing
the front housing.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Voltage Regulator Test

[John W. Reames III]

On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, LarryT wrote:

> Or is the VR the only thing that will typically go bad in a alternator?

Diode packs CAN fail. The VR also has the brushes which wear, and it has a 
spring/leaf connection to the diode pack. That can develop corrosion with 
... interesting... results.  Remove the VR and check the brush length, as 
well as cleaning the metal contact finger (and the one inside the 
alternator too!)

-j.

[MBZ] Story of a local greedy crack-smoker

[Sunil Hari]

Called a guy who advertised a 1984 300D in the paper today - says the
transmission needs rebuilding and the car is pretty rusty.  Engine has
350,000 miles on it and he claims it burns zero oil.

He wants $1000 for this POS.And now he just wasted $60 on a newspaper
classified.

Any bets on how much it really goes for?  And what flavor crack was he
smoking?

This is the lesson I learn for responding to a classified ad without a
listed price ...

--
Sunil Hari
1992 300D 2.5T - 286Kmi.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
513-205-7474

Re: [MBZ] a possible good deal, '77 280SE $350?

[Jeff Zedic]

Vertical ACC buttons mean servo kiss of deathwll, not KOD but you 
know what I mean...


Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD

[MBZ] a possible good deal, '77 280SE $350?

[kevin kraly]

This car runs and drives, but there's a problem with it not starting 
sometimes.  Owner thinks that it's a coil, ignition switch or?  I'm betting 
that it's a faulty NSS, BTDT on one of my 78 300D's.  Jiggling the shifter 
got it to work a few times, but it eventually went out.  If I buy the car, 
it's getting the "Jim Cathey" treatment, cleaning out and hopefully 
resurrecting the switch rather than spending the $65 on a new one.  This 
would be my first W116.  Was this year/model equipped with the dreaded ACC 
servo?  This one may be fun to have around for a while although it's a 
(GASP!) gasser.  I know that the IP (or fuel distributors) can be very 
expensive for these 2.8L 6 cylinder engines.  Can valve adjustment be done 
on these as well?


TIA,

Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon, no MB's gas or diesel 

Re: [MBZ] G-Series?

[mykd1]

Thats the only "G" series I know of 
 
Harry
69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL   108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata   
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Peter Merle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:31:57 +0200
Subject: Re: [MBZ] G-Series?


In normally accepted mercedes speak the  G series refers to the Gwagon -
W460,W461,W463 series
Peter
 

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Re: [MBZ] 124 Trans diagnosis

[Loren Faeth]

Yeah, I am kind of looking at the Catheyesque method before I shell out 
cash for a used trans.  I am just wondering how the valve body seals to the 
main trans body.  Anyone know how the pump seals to the trans case?  From 
Herr Doktor's email,  perhaps the pump to body seal may have given way.


Loren

At 03:34 PM 8/24/2006, you wrote:

> balls/springs do before taking things apart.  Something as small as a
> piece
> of lint from a paper towel used to check the ATF level can cause
> problems.

That's why the preferred technique involves wiping the blade down with
your fingers after wiping off the oil.  Then you wipe your fingers on
the towel.  For the macho, skip the initial towel wipe altogether!

> I wouldn't hesitate to replace the primary pump or the bands, but if
> the
> valve body needs work, I'd try to find a used or rebuilt one.

See, I'd be just the reverse.  Something that can be easily removed
from the car without a lot of grunt work is appealing.  Though I've
never done one I suppose I wouldn't be afraid to try.  If it's broke
before I start there's little I can do to it that'll make it worse.
Also, I once as a foolish 'yout' disassembled the carriage of a Friden
rotary calculator.  Trying to get _that_ back together was a real
exercise in complexity and spring-loaded flying steel balls.  Btw,
I did get it back together and it worked.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 124 Trans diagnosis

[Jim Cathey]

do you know how the valve body is attached to the rest of the
transmission?  I am wondering about pulling it out and seeing if the 
gasket

or oring seal is the problem.  Maybe I could find a used valve body.


Some number of small bolts or screws?  I don't think it's very involved.
Just drippy.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Vandalism

[Jim Cathey]

Never thought of that - thanks - I'll look.

If you have the pieces, they can be glued back with superglue to
serve until you find a better-looking replacement.


BTDT, way more than I ought.  I'm my own vandal, at least so far
as Unimog taillight lenses go!  The gap-filling kind works well for
this.  Proceed with care, and make sure you consider the _next_
pieces to go together before gluing one on, you don't want to get
to the point where you can't physically get the piece into the right
place without breaking something.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 124 Trans diagnosis

[Loren Faeth]

Thanks Larry,

do you know how the valve body is attached to the rest of the 
transmission?  I am wondering about pulling it out and seeing if the gasket 
or oring seal is the problem.  Maybe I could find a uses valve body.


Just hauling it to a dealer would cost about as much as a used trans, and I 
am trying to avoid the expense of a used trans, but i think that is a lost 
cause.  So, taking it to a stealership is not an option.


Loren


At 02:57 PM 8/24/2006, you wrote:

Hi Loren,
The valve body looks like a maze - with al the passageways having speing
loaded steels balls that are actuated by hydraulic pressure.  The danger is
when opening some of the housings you will be treated to the sight and sound
of a steel ball being propelled at slightly subsonic speed across the room -
ending up the the most difficult of places to extract it from.  BTDT.

It would be preferable for you to have a diagram of what the different
balls/springs do before taking things apart.  Something as small as a piece
of lint from a paper towel used to check the ATF level can cause problems.
Even though you changed the fluid & filter a few months ago doesn't mean it
wouldn't benefit from another change.

There are few AT technicians around who work on these things - partly
because of the complexity and partly the economical logic doesn't work -
it's quicker to replace the AT with a rebuilt or used unit.

Also, if you buy a rebuilt AT they may want your AT as core - and they do't
like to get a core that's been disassembled.

I wouldn't hesitate to replace the primary pump or the bands, but if the
valve body needs work, I'd try to find a used or rebuilt one.  I suspect a
new one. if available would be pretty steep.  You may want to find someone
who can say *exactly* what is wrong before doing much else.  Sometimes the
local stealerhip will put their gauges on a AT & diagnose it - but more
likely they'll say it's broke - you need a new one.

Good luck -

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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From: "Loren Faeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 Trans diagnosis


> Herr Doktor,
>
> Is any of this fixable from underneath, without removing the trans?  I put
> a filter and fluid in not long ago, I think it was May.  It has been
> working just fine, and was going down the highway when this started.  A
> broken spring or a blown oring seem plausible.  How is the valve body
> sealed to the transmission?  are there orings?  Are there springs in the
> valve body?  I apologize if these are dumb questions, but I have avoided
> working on AT until now.  (only had manual trans until we got the 240D
> about 10 years ago.)
>
> Loren
>
>
>>It's all a matter ATF pressure. Sounds like you are loosing pressure as
>>the transmission fluid heats up and that causes the transmission to
>>downshift and to NOT shift up. It can be a matter of wear, dirt in the
>>valve body, scarred seals, a broken spring, etc.
>>
>>Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] 124 Trans diagnosis

[Jim Cathey]

balls/springs do before taking things apart.  Something as small as a 
piece
of lint from a paper towel used to check the ATF level can cause 
problems.


That's why the preferred technique involves wiping the blade down with
your fingers after wiping off the oil.  Then you wipe your fingers on
the towel.  For the macho, skip the initial towel wipe altogether!

I wouldn't hesitate to replace the primary pump or the bands, but if 
the

valve body needs work, I'd try to find a used or rebuilt one.


See, I'd be just the reverse.  Something that can be easily removed
from the car without a lot of grunt work is appealing.  Though I've
never done one I suppose I wouldn't be afraid to try.  If it's broke
before I start there's little I can do to it that'll make it worse.
Also, I once as a foolish 'yout' disassembled the carriage of a Friden
rotary calculator.  Trying to get _that_ back together was a real
exercise in complexity and spring-loaded flying steel balls.  Btw,
I did get it back together and it worked.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 1985 500sel $500

[Sunil Hari]

columbus, OH near the airport.

On 8/24/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


where is it located?

Sunil Hari wrote:

> RE:  1985 500SEL
>
> Update - went and saw the car - decent body, interior is beaten
up.  Driver
> seat missing a chunk and leather is hard.  Two or three door panels are
off,
> and at least one window and motor need to be replaced.  Needs a new fuel
> tank.  Supposedly, the motor and tranny are in good shape.
>
> He's motivated to sell.  Anyone want it?  I don't have the time for it.
>
> On 8/22/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>probably, if the rest of it was good.  140k is not much.
>>
>>Sunil Hari wrote:
>>
>>
>>>would you buy a 500sel with 140K for $500?  it needs a gas tank and a
>>
>>window
>>
>>>and window motor; otherwise, the guy claims it's good to go.
>>>
>>
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>>  91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
>>  85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
>>  76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
>>http://www.striplin.net
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  85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
  76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] factory alarms in W123s

[Marshall Booth]

Thanks, I've learned something today!

Marshall

ernest breakfield wrote:

hi Marshall!

   my '85 300D has a factory alarm.
   i have the original window sticker for the car and it's listed there,
and its use is described in the Owners Manual. FWIW, it still works
very nicely, thank you!  ;-)

e



To my knowledge, the 123 was never imported to the US with a factory
alarm. That suggests you have an aftermarket alarm and all bets are off.

Marshall





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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] Vandalism

[Zeitgeist]

Back when I was a teenager (~'82), my mom and stepdad leveraged themselves
deeper into debt by buying a used, but still beautiful black '76 911S.  They
were always bitching about noticing spit on the windshield or garbage thrown
at or near the car.  People are weird.

Way back, I Earl Scheib-ed a '69 VW Squareback, and sure enough, one week
later it got egged.  Peeled that cheap-ass paint clean off, like it never
was there in the first place.  People are weird.

On 8/24/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Hi Gary,
I don't know what it is about Porsches in general and 911s in
particular
that seem to attract idiots in their minivans who want to race, or equally
ignorant idiots who feel if they can damage your nice 911 you will somehow
be brought down to their miserable level.



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Re: [MBZ] Fuel cutoff on 83' 300d

[Marshall Booth]

Levi Smith wrote:

Just to confirm...  There IS a fuel cutoff or governor or what not on my 83'
300D, correct?  My tach only worked briefly at on point, but I thought my
tranny was shifting near redline.  However, yesterday I tried leaving it in
L while climbing my hill where normally in D it shifts out of 1st around
35mph then back into 1st when the speed drops to around 20mph.  So...
leaving it in 1st, I was hitting 45mph (probably more like 50mph with my
gauge).  It was REALLY revving, but I thought I recalled Marshall or someone
saying that there was a cutoff and these engines were just fine being held
against it for as long as you wanted...


There are several controls that limit fuel. The full load stop controls
the maximum fuel that can be delivered (and thus absolute power). The no
load limit controls the maximum speed the engine can reach (it's an rpm
operated governor). Then there's the ALDA (on turbo cars and ADA on 
normally aspirated cars) that limits fuel to the available air. Finally 
on turbo cars there's an overboost sensor that shuts off the ALDA 
operated fuel enrichment if boost exceeds the limit.


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] 124 Trans diagnosis

[LarryT]

Hi Loren,
The valve body looks like a maze - with al the passageways having speing 
loaded steels balls that are actuated by hydraulic pressure.  The danger is 
when opening some of the housings you will be treated to the sight and sound 
of a steel ball being propelled at slightly subsonic speed across the room - 
ending up the the most difficult of places to extract it from.  BTDT.


It would be preferable for you to have a diagram of what the different 
balls/springs do before taking things apart.  Something as small as a piece 
of lint from a paper towel used to check the ATF level can cause problems. 
Even though you changed the fluid & filter a few months ago doesn't mean it 
wouldn't benefit from another change.


There are few AT technicians around who work on these things - partly 
because of the complexity and partly the economical logic doesn't work - 
it's quicker to replace the AT with a rebuilt or used unit.


Also, if you buy a rebuilt AT they may want your AT as core - and they do't 
like to get a core that's been disassembled.


I wouldn't hesitate to replace the primary pump or the bands, but if the 
valve body needs work, I'd try to find a used or rebuilt one.  I suspect a 
new one. if available would be pretty steep.  You may want to find someone 
who can say *exactly* what is wrong before doing much else.  Sometimes the 
local stealerhip will put their gauges on a AT & diagnose it - but more 
likely they'll say it's broke - you need a new one.


Good luck -

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:21 PM
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Herr Doktor,

Is any of this fixable from underneath, without removing the trans?  I put
a filter and fluid in not long ago, I think it was May.  It has been
working just fine, and was going down the highway when this started.  A
broken spring or a blown oring seem plausible.  How is the valve body
sealed to the transmission?  are there orings?  Are there springs in the
valve body?  I apologize if these are dumb questions, but I have avoided
working on AT until now.  (only had manual trans until we got the 240D
about 10 years ago.)

Loren



It's all a matter ATF pressure. Sounds like you are loosing pressure as
the transmission fluid heats up and that causes the transmission to
downshift and to NOT shift up. It can be a matter of wear, dirt in the
valve body, scarred seals, a broken spring, etc.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Vandalism

[LarryT]

Gary wrote:>


Hi Gary,
   I don't know what it is about Porsches in general and 911s in particular 
that seem to attract idiots in their minivans who want to race, or equally 
ignorant idiots who feel if they can damage your nice 911 you will somehow 
be brought down to their miserable level.


So far no one has keyed my 911 - but when I bought her the fender had been 
keyed from headlight to door.  What a waste of a drop dead gorgeous car!


Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Vandalism



I drove my 1969 911E down to Houston to visit some friend once. Parked
it right out front of an upscale bar. Came back out an hour later and
some SOB had kicked in the passenger side door. So much for straight
body, original paint...

No offence to those of you in the big H, but that town sucks!

Gary Thompson
Georgetown, TX
1995 E320
Porsches all replaced by children with college tuitions...


On 8/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Where does he park the thing? Neither of my cars is EVER dirty and I've 
only
had one keying episode in my motoring life. And that was on my smoke 
silver

'85 190E (talk about anonymous) at the mall.

Seven hundred bucks to paint the LR door and quarter panel. Of course, 
that

was twenty years ago.

RLE


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Re: [MBZ] Automotive clay

[andrew strasfogel]

Huh?


On 8/24/06, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Apparently, Automotive Clay also shamelessly prowls the local PnP's.  His
skills with overspray remain to be seen.

On 8/24/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I thought Automotive Clay did things like own Gumps and shamelessly
> prowl Craig's lists?
>

Casey
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Re: [MBZ] More 250C questions

[andrew strasfogel]

D.C.

On 8/24/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


No-he doesn't.  I haven't seen any around here recently either. I'll
keep my eyes open.
Where are you?
Dwight

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.


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Dwight, any chance your brother is parting out a 300TD wagon?

On 8/24/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > My brother has located another 250C-1971, Euro delivery, etc.
> > Unlike the 72 he found, which has bench seat and column shift lever,

> > this one
>
> > has buckets, floor mounted shifter (auto) but no sunroof. Seems odd.

> > It does have AC.
>
> B sounds more 'normal' than A.  But you could order 'em any way you
> wanted back then, as I understand it.
>
> -- Jim
>
> Yes-that's what I thought-don't know much about 114/115 but that
> sounds like sedan configuration. He has 78 240D-looking for zip and
> upgrade to add to his fleet. Thanks,
> Dwight
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Re: [MBZ] Vandalism

[andrew strasfogel]

Never thought of that - thanks - I'll look.

On 8/24/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> My most recent vandalism was when somebody broke a hole (with a
> hammer?) in
> the RR taillight on the 1983 300TD wagon.  If anybody has a spare,
> please
> let me know.

If you have the pieces, they can be glued back with superglue to
serve until you find a better-looking replacement.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] air compressor woes

[R A Bennell]

How about spraying something like WD40 in through the intake to try to clean 
things up before taking it apart?

Randy

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> only to find that BOTH intakes suck and blow Gr, so the 
> reed valves are shot.

Shot?  Or merely dirty?  I still suggest pulling it apart
to see what's really wrong.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Automotive clay

[Zeitgeist]

Apparently, Automotive Clay also shamelessly prowls the local PnP's.  His
skills with overspray remain to be seen.

On 8/24/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I thought Automotive Clay did things like own Gumps and shamelessly
prowl Craig's lists?



Casey
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Re: [MBZ] More 250C questions

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

No-he doesn't.  I haven't seen any around here recently either. I'll
keep my eyes open.
Where are you?
Dwight

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.


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Dwight, any chance your brother is parting out a 300TD wagon?

On 8/24/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > My brother has located another 250C-1971, Euro delivery, etc.  
> > Unlike the 72 he found, which has bench seat and column shift lever,

> > this one
>
> > has buckets, floor mounted shifter (auto) but no sunroof. Seems odd.

> > It does have AC.
>
> B sounds more 'normal' than A.  But you could order 'em any way you 
> wanted back then, as I understand it.
>
> -- Jim
>
> Yes-that's what I thought-don't know much about 114/115 but that 
> sounds like sedan configuration. He has 78 240D-looking for zip and 
> upgrade to add to his fleet. Thanks,
> Dwight
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Re: [MBZ] Vandalism

[Jim Cathey]

My most recent vandalism was when somebody broke a hole (with a 
hammer?) in
the RR taillight on the 1983 300TD wagon.  If anybody has a spare, 
please

let me know.


If you have the pieces, they can be glued back with superglue to
serve until you find a better-looking replacement.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Automotive clay

[Jim Cathey]

I thought Automotive Clay did things like own Gumps and shamelessly
prowl Craig's lists?

-- Jim

[MBZ] Automotive clay

[andrew strasfogel]

My son gave me a small piece of automotive clay to remove overspray
(self-induced) on the fender of my 111 coupe.  Anybody know if this stuff
works in such an application, and how to use it?

Andrew
1970 280SE 3.5
83 300TD, 85 300CD

Re: [MBZ] More 250C questions

[andrew strasfogel]

Dwight, any chance your brother is parting out a 300TD wagon?

On 8/24/06, Dwight E. Giles, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



> My brother has located another 250C-1971, Euro delivery, etc.  Unlike
> the 72 he found, which has bench seat and column shift lever, this one

> has buckets, floor mounted shifter (auto) but no sunroof. Seems odd.
> It does have AC.

B sounds more 'normal' than A.  But you could order 'em any way you
wanted back then, as I understand it.

-- Jim

Yes-that's what I thought-don't know much about 114/115 but that sounds
like sedan configuration. He has 78 240D-looking for zip and upgrade to
add to his fleet.
Thanks,
Dwight
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Re: [MBZ] factory alarms in W123s (was: Re: Gauge Repair

[andrew strasfogel]

Marshall now has new knowledge.

On 8/24/06, ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


hi Marshall!

  my '85 300D has a factory alarm.
  i have the original window sticker for the car and it's listed there,
and its use is described in the Owners Manual. FWIW, it still works
very nicely, thank you!  ;-)


cheers!
e


>
> To my knowledge, the 123 was never imported to the US with a factory
> alarm. That suggests you have an aftermarket alarm and all bets are off.
>
> Marshall

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Re: [MBZ] Vandalism

[andrew strasfogel]

My most recent vandalism was when somebody broke a hole (with a hammer?) in
the RR taillight on the 1983 300TD wagon.  If anybody has a spare, please
let me know.



On 8/24/06, Gary Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I drove my 1969 911E down to Houston to visit some friend once. Parked
it right out front of an upscale bar. Came back out an hour later and
some SOB had kicked in the passenger side door. So much for straight
body, original paint...

No offence to those of you in the big H, but that town sucks!

Gary Thompson
Georgetown, TX
1995 E320
Porsches all replaced by children with college tuitions...


On 8/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Where does he park the thing? Neither of my cars is EVER dirty and I've
only
> had one keying episode in my motoring life. And that was on my smoke
silver
> '85 190E (talk about anonymous) at the mall.
>
> Seven hundred bucks to paint the LR door and quarter panel. Of course,
that
> was twenty years ago.
>
> RLE

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Re: [MBZ] Column/Key lockout lubing

[Zoltan Finks]

Yup. Thanks.

I'm glad to have it back to acting like its colleagues and peers rather than
a prop on fear factor.

Brian
83 240D

On 8/24/06, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Marshall Booth wrote:
> That's exactly the way every Mercedes with a steering lock works - from
> the first day out of the showroom! You must wiggle the steering wheel to
> unlock the lock if there is any pressure against the wheels.
>

Not just Mercedes, either.  I've had Fords and VWs where the ignition
key could be very hard to turn out of the lock position unless you
relieved any pressure on the locking mechanism.

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Re: [MBZ] w116 euros

[andrew strasfogel]

Speaking of Euros, what's the best way to purchase Euros for a visit to
France?  Should I 1) bring along USD travellers checks to convert overseas
into EUs, 2) use my Visa or MC for cash advances in Eus, 3) draw on my bank
savings account, 4) brng along copious amounts of $$USD to convert as
needed, or. ?

Also, when charging goods overseas with a Visa or MC have you noticed the 3
percent surcharge/ service fee for credit currency conversion? That really
s*cks...

ALS
On 8/23/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


http://cm.ebay.com/cm/ck/1065-29322-2357-0?
uid=&site=0&ver=EOISUA080805&lk=URL&item=290019726459

these are them

On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:45 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

> redghost wrote:
>>
>> What are your needs.  I needs them to be gone or my source of conjugal
>> bliss will cut me off.
>
> I can send you postage tomorrow. ;-)
> I was quite excited about a set Fred Johnson (where'd he go?)
> found at a junkyard for $20 a couple of years ago, but when he went
> back
> to get them the price had gone up quite a bit and I passed, so somebody
> out west (you?) got them. I'm kinda indifferent to euros on the 116
> because
> I've got the Cibies from my Saab 99. (not sure if I want to buy euros
> for
> the 201 or just use the Hellas that I bought for my Citation in the
> 1980's)
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes credit card

[andrew strasfogel]

That works out to only a 30 percent premium over buying from Rusty (who now
owes me big time for this shameless plug).

ALS
1983 300TD blows hot and cold
1985 300CD appreciating asset

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5% bonus on spending at the stealership:

https://www3.bankofamerica.com/creditcards/application_mb/index.cfm?product_id=mb_visa

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Re: [MBZ] Possible damage caused by heated WVO

[David Brodbeck]

Peter Merle wrote:
> As I said I don't recall from the article the exact nature of the
> problem , but it was about WVO not SVO. Something about the longer
> Hydrogen-carbon chains having a detremental affect on the engine.
> PEter
>   

Probably this article:
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_SVO-palm.html

They used SVO palm oil in a Kubota stationary diesel engine.  They
heated the oil by running the exhaust pipe through the tank.  They found
greatly increased wear to the compression rings.  They also found higher
EGTs -- the palm oil wasn't burning completely in the cylinder, so some
of it was combusting in the exhaust manifold, instead.

Re: [MBZ] Column/Key lockout lubing

[David Brodbeck]

Marshall Booth wrote:
> That's exactly the way every Mercedes with a steering lock works - from 
> the first day out of the showroom! You must wiggle the steering wheel to 
> unlock the lock if there is any pressure against the wheels.
>   

Not just Mercedes, either.  I've had Fords and VWs where the ignition
key could be very hard to turn out of the lock position unless you
relieved any pressure on the locking mechanism.

[MBZ] factory alarms in W123s (was: Re: Gauge Repair

[ernest breakfield]

hi Marshall!

   my '85 300D has a factory alarm.
   i have the original window sticker for the car and it's listed there,
and its use is described in the Owners Manual. FWIW, it still works
very nicely, thank you!  ;-)


cheers!
e


>
> To my knowledge, the 123 was never imported to the US with a factory
> alarm. That suggests you have an aftermarket alarm and all bets are off.
>
> Marshall

Re: [MBZ] Possible damage caused by heated WVO

[Levi Smith]

I think there's a lot of difference the circumstances of the info being
handed out.  While I don't disagree with your statements, you're not
mentioning anything about heating.  In my mind that makes all the difference
in the world.  I have yet to hear of anyone who's put on 50K miles by "just
dumping in" vegetable oil.  That seems to almost certainly kill at some
point.  If you do any amount of heating or blending you've pushed the time
of death WAY out...  If you do it right you probably won't have any
noticeable difference between when it might have died on diesel anyway...

Levi

On 8/24/06, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


There are many success stories out there, however it would be foolish
to tell people they can run their vehicles on WVO without risk.
Chances are we never hear of the failures because those people move on
to other things and disappear from forums like this one.

If someone comes to me with interest in running their car on waste oil
and they don't change their own oil, or know the difference between a
spark plug and an injector, or have any interest in actually learning
how a diesel works, I tell them to go buy a hybrid.

If you buy an old Mercedes for $1000 and start dumping vegetable oil
in the tank, you are asking for trouble. Low compression, a marginal
injection pump, a bad glow plug or two, or even a clogged fuel filter
will be enough to make a car that seems to run fine on diesel fail
miserably on WVO - or fail intermittently and leave you stranded by
the side of the road a few times before you figure things out.

If that does not scare you off, welcome to the club.

-Dave Walton
87SDL, 94S350, 99E30

Re: [MBZ] Gauge Repair

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

it is

Alan Duff wrote:

It sure looks like a factory install to me as all wires are in the wiring 
harness. 


Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN

On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:48:36 -0500, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :




The 85 123's did have factory alarms.

Marshall Booth wrote:





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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
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Re: [MBZ] Possible damage caused by heated WVO

[dave walton]

There are many success stories out there, however it would be foolish
to tell people they can run their vehicles on WVO without risk.
Chances are we never hear of the failures because those people move on
to other things and disappear from forums like this one.

If someone comes to me with interest in running their car on waste oil
and they don't change their own oil, or know the difference between a
spark plug and an injector, or have any interest in actually learning
how a diesel works, I tell them to go buy a hybrid.

If you buy an old Mercedes for $1000 and start dumping vegetable oil
in the tank, you are asking for trouble. Low compression, a marginal
injection pump, a bad glow plug or two, or even a clogged fuel filter
will be enough to make a car that seems to run fine on diesel fail
miserably on WVO - or fail intermittently and leave you stranded by
the side of the road a few times before you figure things out.

If that does not scare you off, welcome to the club.

-Dave Walton
87SDL, 94S350, 99E30

On 8/24/06, ernest breakfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

hi Peter!

   i didn't see anywhere in the post i replied to (attached below) where
you said anything about reading it in an article; it seemed as if you
were stating these things as if they were solid facts.

   no offense intended, but i'm inclined to go with what i see working
firsthand, rather than just what someone says they read somewhere.
   based on what i see with multiple vehicles and many tens of thousands
of miles over the last few years, most of what was stated below simply
doesn't seem to be an issue. (FWIW, temps here only reach below
freezing a few times/year, most of the people i know doing this are
using almost exclusively WVO, and most of them are W123s.)


cheers!
e


> As I said I don't recall from the article the exact nature of the
> problem , but it was about WVO not SVO. Something about the longer
> Hydrogen-carbon chains having a detremental affect on the engine.
> PEter
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ernest breakfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 22 August 2006 06:00 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Possible damage caused by heated WVO
>
>
> Peter,
>
>where'd you get this information from?
>i know more than a few people that have put on tens of thousands of
> miles on single-tank systems over the last few years using nothing but
> VO here in the SF Bay area, and none of them have experienced anything
> like the problems you talk about. the only problem i know of in the
> fleet was with a gal who set up an '87 300D for VO and seemed to gunk up
> injectors; turns out she had such a short commute the vehicle never got
> up to temp, and she was going through fuel so slowly it may have been
> getting old in the tank, compounding her issue. (that car was sold, and
> ran fine as soon as it was put into use by someone who drives it for
> more standard distances.)
>
>
> cheers!
> e
>
>
>> The problems with WVO are :
>>
>> It won't flow well enough cold for the engine to start, so you MUST
>> run on diesel fuel long enough to fill the IP with diesel fuel
>> completely before shutting off
>>
>> It won't flow well enough unheated to run the car at all, so you must
>> heat the fuel even in the summer unless is 100F or more out (and even
>> then it's better heated)
>>
>> It will varnish the IP up terribly unless flushed fairly often with
>> injection cleaner.
>>
>> Otherwise it works fine, much less smoke, no diesel smell, but
>> slightly less hp and milage.
>>
>> In low compression (16:1) engines, it can also varnish up the rings
>> from lousy combustion.  Not a problem in a Benz.
>>
>> Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Gauge Repair

[Alan Duff]

It sure looks like a factory install to me as all wires are in the wiring 
harness. 

Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN

On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:48:36 -0500, "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :

> The 85 123's did have factory alarms.
> 
> Marshall Booth wrote:
> 

Re: [MBZ] Column/Key lockout lubing

[Marshall Booth]

Zoltan Finks wrote:

If I turn the wheel a bit hard against the pressure of the
suspension and lock it there, the key sticks, but all it takes is a bit of
turning the wheel to remove that pressure and the key turns fine (like I'm
used to columns acting).


That's exactly the way every Mercedes with a steering lock works - from 
the first day out of the showroom! You must wiggle the steering wheel to 
unlock the lock if there is any pressure against the wheels.


Marshall
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  "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 
190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] Voltage Regulator Test

[Marshall Booth]

LarryT wrote:

Howdy,
   After replacing my alternator was wondering how the VR might be tested? 
I replaced the alternator because it was not charging and I didn't know the 
history of the alternator so I changed the whole thing.  If I have a problem 
with the charging system again I may want to test the VR, but I'm not sure 
how to do it.


Is there a website or something with instructions?


The voltage regulator/brush assembly has about a 150km life. At that 
time (+/- 20kmi) the brushes will be worn out and require replacement. I 
make it a point to change the regulator at 120-130kmi and then when that 
much mileage accumulates again, I recommend that the alternator be 
replaced as the alternator approaches 250kmi, the bearings and slip 
rings are seriously worn and winding insulation often starts breaking down.


Other than a voltage test (at idle the voltage to the battery with no 
appliances on must be at least 13.4 and 13.8 V. would make me happier. 
With the engine speed raised to 2000+ rpm voltage should increase but 
not to more than about 14.4 V). Examining the length of the brushes is 
also routine and you can estimate life from that.


http://img.eautopartscatalog.com/live/F401039368BOS.JPG

Final test is to replace a suspect regulator with a new one and see if 
that cures the problem (they are cheap enough $20-30 to keep a spare 
around).


Marshall
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'87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 
190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] Possible damage caused by heated WVO

[ernest breakfield]

hi Peter!

   i didn't see anywhere in the post i replied to (attached below) where
you said anything about reading it in an article; it seemed as if you
were stating these things as if they were solid facts.

   no offense intended, but i'm inclined to go with what i see working
firsthand, rather than just what someone says they read somewhere.
   based on what i see with multiple vehicles and many tens of thousands
of miles over the last few years, most of what was stated below simply
doesn't seem to be an issue. (FWIW, temps here only reach below
freezing a few times/year, most of the people i know doing this are
using almost exclusively WVO, and most of them are W123s.)


cheers!
e


> As I said I don't recall from the article the exact nature of the
> problem , but it was about WVO not SVO. Something about the longer
> Hydrogen-carbon chains having a detremental affect on the engine.
> PEter
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ernest breakfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 22 August 2006 06:00 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Possible damage caused by heated WVO
>
>
> Peter,
>
>where'd you get this information from?
>i know more than a few people that have put on tens of thousands of
> miles on single-tank systems over the last few years using nothing but
> VO here in the SF Bay area, and none of them have experienced anything
> like the problems you talk about. the only problem i know of in the
> fleet was with a gal who set up an '87 300D for VO and seemed to gunk up
> injectors; turns out she had such a short commute the vehicle never got
> up to temp, and she was going through fuel so slowly it may have been
> getting old in the tank, compounding her issue. (that car was sold, and
> ran fine as soon as it was put into use by someone who drives it for
> more standard distances.)
>
>
> cheers!
> e
>
>
>> The problems with WVO are :
>>
>> It won't flow well enough cold for the engine to start, so you MUST
>> run on diesel fuel long enough to fill the IP with diesel fuel
>> completely before shutting off
>>
>> It won't flow well enough unheated to run the car at all, so you must
>> heat the fuel even in the summer unless is 100F or more out (and even
>> then it's better heated)
>>
>> It will varnish the IP up terribly unless flushed fairly often with
>> injection cleaner.
>>
>> Otherwise it works fine, much less smoke, no diesel smell, but
>> slightly less hp and milage.
>>
>> In low compression (16:1) engines, it can also varnish up the rings
>> from lousy combustion.  Not a problem in a Benz.
>>
>> Peter

Re: [MBZ] More 250C questions

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

> My brother has located another 250C-1971, Euro delivery, etc.  Unlike 
> the 72 he found, which has bench seat and column shift lever, this one

> has buckets, floor mounted shifter (auto) but no sunroof. Seems odd. 
> It does have AC.

B sounds more 'normal' than A.  But you could order 'em any way you
wanted back then, as I understand it.

-- Jim

Yes-that's what I thought-don't know much about 114/115 but that sounds
like sedan configuration. He has 78 240D-looking for zip and upgrade to
add to his fleet. 
Thanks,
Dwight
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Re: [MBZ] Vandalism

[Gary Thompson]

I drove my 1969 911E down to Houston to visit some friend once. Parked
it right out front of an upscale bar. Came back out an hour later and
some SOB had kicked in the passenger side door. So much for straight
body, original paint...

No offence to those of you in the big H, but that town sucks!

Gary Thompson
Georgetown, TX
1995 E320
Porsches all replaced by children with college tuitions...


On 8/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Where does he park the thing? Neither of my cars is EVER dirty and I've only
had one keying episode in my motoring life. And that was on my smoke silver
'85 190E (talk about anonymous) at the mall.

Seven hundred bucks to paint the LR door and quarter panel. Of course, that
was twenty years ago.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] 124 Trans diagnosis

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

because you replaced the filter in may does not mean the filter does not 
need to be replaced again.  That is where you start.  Anything beyond 
that at this point is a waste of time.


Loren Faeth wrote:


Herr Doktor,

Is any of this fixable from underneath, without removing the trans?  I put 
a filter and fluid in not long ago, I think it was May.  It has been 
working just fine, and was going down the highway when this started.  A 
broken spring or a blown oring seem plausible.  How is the valve body 
sealed to the transmission?  are there orings?  Are there springs in the 
valve body?  I apologize if these are dumb questions, but I have avoided 
working on AT until now.  (only had manual trans until we got the 240D 
about 10 years ago.)


Loren



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 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Fuel cutoff on 83' 300d

[Jim Cathey]

There IS a fuel cutoff or governor or what not on my 83' 300D, correct?


The engine is governed, somewhere around 5000 RPM.  Assuming it is
working correctly, of course.  It's inside the injection pump, and
interacts with the throttle stop adjustment screw's action in some
mysterious way.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Gauge Repair

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

The 85 123's did have factory alarms.

Marshall Booth wrote:


Alan Duff wrote:

Looks like you are going to have to draw me a picture. This is a 1985 
300D. I removed the panels underneath the passenger side of the dash. This 
revealed the blower motor and ductwork. There is what looks like a 
temperature sensor with two connections plugged into the ductwork. There 
is another silver electrical box with MB markings on the side of the inner 
fender, it also appears to be AC related. It is about two inches long and 
an inch square, silver with a 30 amp fuse on the top. I disconnected both 
and the alarm still goes off. I see nothing else electrical or with the 
Becker name on it. 



To my knowledge, the 123 was never imported to the US with a factory 
alarm. That suggests you have an aftermarket alarm and all bets are off.


Marshall


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 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] 1985 500sel $500

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

where is it located?

Sunil Hari wrote:


RE:  1985 500SEL

Update - went and saw the car - decent body, interior is beaten up.  Driver
seat missing a chunk and leather is hard.  Two or three door panels are off,
and at least one window and motor need to be replaced.  Needs a new fuel
tank.  Supposedly, the motor and tranny are in good shape.

He's motivated to sell.  Anyone want it?  I don't have the time for it.

On 8/22/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


probably, if the rest of it was good.  140k is not much.

Sunil Hari wrote:



would you buy a 500sel with 140K for $500?  it needs a gas tank and a


window


and window motor; otherwise, the guy claims it's good to go.



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 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] More 250C questions

[Jim Cathey]

My brother has located another 250C-1971, Euro delivery, etc.  Unlike
the 72 he found, which has bench seat and column shift lever, this one
has buckets, floor mounted shifter (auto) but no sunroof. Seems odd. It
does have AC.


B sounds more 'normal' than A.  But you could order 'em any way
you wanted back then, as I understand it.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Fuel cutoff on 83' 300d

[Curt Raymond]

Oh yeah there is. On my 240D one winter day when I had a cold I ran up against 
the rev limiter in 2nd gear (manual shift), lifted my throttle foot to shift, 
clutch foot was a little too slow and I wrapped myself around the steering 
wheel... Great way to make yourself feel like a schmo.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 06:14:39 -0400
From: "Levi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ] Fuel cutoff on 83' 300d
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Just to confirm...  There IS a fuel cutoff or governor or what not on 
my 83'
300D, correct?  My tach only worked briefly at on point, but I thought 
my
tranny was shifting near redline.  However, yesterday I tried leaving 
it in
L while climbing my hill where normally in D it shifts out of 1st 
around
35mph then back into 1st when the speed drops to around 20mph.  So...
leaving it in 1st, I was hitting 45mph (probably more like 50mph with 
my
gauge).  It was REALLY revving, but I thought I recalled Marshall or 
someone
saying that there was a cutoff and these engines were just fine being 
held
against it for as long as you wanted...

Thanks!
Levi



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> I have noticed a minor stain under my rear axle, center of the car.  
> Will
> check level in differential this weekend.  Please if anyone knows what 
> the
> common causes of the leakage could be please.  What do I have to look
> forward to repair this one.  Thanks

The usual suspect is a leaking front pinion seal.  Uses a special
castellated socket to remove the nut holding the yoke on.  But it
could be either axle seal, a dripping back plate or drain plug,
or even a clogged breather causing a shouldn't-leak place to leak.
If you can't tell where it's coming from, but the differential is
obviously drippy, you'll have to clean it off and then check a bit
later to see where it's coming from.

But the fuel tubing is also right there, and can be drippy too.

-- Jim

[MBZ] Rear Differential, 79 240 D

[ts]

I have noticed a minor stain under my rear axle, center of the car.  Will 
check level in differential this weekend.  Please if anyone knows what the 
common causes of the leakage could be please.  What do I have to look 
forward to repair this one.  Thanks


Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA
1979 240 96K 

[MBZ] More 250C questions

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

My brother has located another 250C-1971, Euro delivery, etc.  Unlike
the 72 he found, which has bench seat and column shift lever, this one
has buckets, floor mounted shifter (auto) but no sunroof. Seems odd. It
does have AC. 
So what was standard and what was optional?  Can't find it in Nitske.
Thanks,
Dwight

Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
Wickford, RI
Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.



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[MBZ] Fuel cutoff on 83' 300d

[Levi Smith]

Just to confirm...  There IS a fuel cutoff or governor or what not on my 83'
300D, correct?  My tach only worked briefly at on point, but I thought my
tranny was shifting near redline.  However, yesterday I tried leaving it in
L while climbing my hill where normally in D it shifts out of 1st around
35mph then back into 1st when the speed drops to around 20mph.  So...
leaving it in 1st, I was hitting 45mph (probably more like 50mph with my
gauge).  It was REALLY revving, but I thought I recalled Marshall or someone
saying that there was a cutoff and these engines were just fine being held
against it for as long as you wanted...

Thanks!
Levi

Re: [MBZ] Possible damage caused by heated WVO

[Peter Merle]

As I said I don't recall from the article the exact nature of the
problem , but it was about WVO not SVO. Something about the longer
Hydrogen-carbon chains having a detremental affect on the engine.
PEter


-Original Message-
From: ernest breakfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 22 August 2006 06:00 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Possible damage caused by heated WVO


Peter,

   where'd you get this information from?
   i know more than a few people that have put on tens of thousands of
miles on single-tank systems over the last few years using nothing but
VO here in the SF Bay area, and none of them have experienced anything
like the problems you talk about. the only problem i know of in the
fleet was with a gal who set up an '87 300D for VO and seemed to gunk up
injectors; turns out she had such a short commute the vehicle never got
up to temp, and she was going through fuel so slowly it may have been
getting old in the tank, compounding her issue. (that car was sold, and
ran fine as soon as it was put into use by someone who drives it for
more standard distances.)


cheers!
e


> The problems with WVO are :
>
> It won't flow well enough cold for the engine to start, so you MUST 
> run on diesel fuel long enough to fill the IP with diesel fuel 
> completely before shutting off
>
> It won't flow well enough unheated to run the car at all, so you must 
> heat the fuel even in the summer unless is 100F or more out (and even 
> then it's better heated)
>
> It will varnish the IP up terribly unless flushed fairly often with 
> injection cleaner.
>
> Otherwise it works fine, much less smoke, no diesel smell, but 
> slightly less hp and milage.
>
> In low compression (16:1) engines, it can also varnish up the rings 
> from lousy combustion.  Not a problem in a Benz.
>
> Peter
>
>
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[MBZ] Column/Key lockout lubing

[Zoltan Finks]

Well I've finally gotten around to following some advice I received here on
the list regarding my ignition tumbler and the steering column locking
mechanism.

The advice was to drip some (one guy said ATF, and the other, Marvel Mystery
Oil) down the ignition area in order to lube thing up and solve the problem
of the column and key locking me out if I dare lock the steering wheel after
removing the key from the ignition.

As it happens, I used some stuff called "Bike Aid" that I got from Chosa's
Harley dealership in Mesa some years ago. It's a molybdenum (sp?) petroleum
product and is known to work nicely on dry clutch cables, and bicycle parts,
and things that need a nice lubing.

It seems that the condition has improved. There for a while, if I removed
the key and clicked the wheel to lock, I found myself locked up and hoping
desperately that I could get unlocked one more time as I kicked and twisted.
Now, I am able to repeatedly intentionally lock the column and get it
unlocked. If I turn the wheel a bit hard against the pressure of the
suspension and lock it there, the key sticks, but all it takes is a bit of
turning the wheel to remove that pressure and the key turns fine (like I'm
used to columns acting).

Hope this is a true success, and not a mirage. Thanks to those who
recommended this fix!

Brian
83 240D

Re: [MBZ] G-Series?

[Peter Merle]

In normally accepted mercedes speak the  G series refers to the Gwagon -
W460,W461,W463 series
Peter
 

Re: [MBZ] 1992 300SE

[M.Afzaal.Khan]

According to a European car magazine which  carried  a article and test on
purchase of a used 140 , the complexities of the model combined with its age
can be  formidable challenge to overcome if any problems exist .

Jist of article;   Buy it only  if in perfect condition in every regard or 
be prepared for a

lifestyle downgrade..
I assume  US models will be quite  similar, maybe with a few added bells and
whistles.On the other hand, the 126 was highly rated as a gem!
mak

300SE   90
280SEL 70
230  66
220S62





- Original Message - 
From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1992 300SE

1. Evaluating the condition of a 140


Is it perfect?  If not, open wallet.

Re: [MBZ] de-rusting

[Jim Cathey]

you have to scroll down through 80 lines of text to see what they 
typed!


If there's 80 lines of quotage, you're doing it wrong.

Bottom posting encourages more trimming of extraneous crap than
top posting does.  If the _writer_ has to scroll down through
a bazillion lines, maybe he'll have some slight incentive to
just eliminate them.  What I notice most about top posting is
that all the crap is just carried forward, unedited, untrimmed,
unexamined, unpalatable.  Which severely hampers the effectiveness
of digests and archives.

Efforts by the writer to increase the efficiency of information
transfer are repaid N times since the message is multicast.  The
"why should I waste my time writing well" argument is very
shortsighted.  A writer should do all he can to help the reader,
since there are so many more of the latter.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Voltage Regulator Test

[Jim Cathey]

How does this kind of test show if the alt is bad (or good) and the VR
is bad (or good)?


The voltage should hold within acceptable range under the full
range of load conditions.


Or is the VR the only thing that will typically go bad in a alternator?


No.  Lots of other things can go wrong.  Brushes, diodes, bearings,
windings, slip rings, VR.  That's about it!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Mog fun

[Jim Cathey]

They're 2.5'x2'x6' each, rather heavy.  The neighbor who I got to


Said neighbor figured we had about 9000# in each truck.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] air compressor woes

[Jim Cathey]

only to find that BOTH intakes suck and blow Gr, so the 
reed valves are shot.


Shot?  Or merely dirty?  I still suggest pulling it apart
to see what's really wrong.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 124 Trans diagnosis

[Jim Cathey]

Are there springs in the valve body?


Absolutely.  And BB's as check valves.  I don't know about how
it's attached or sealed, but absolutely you can do it from below.

Cleanliness is all, however.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] air compressor woes

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:50:13 -0500 "Luther Gulseth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> The check valves would thread right into this compressor's heads and
> then the existing piping could be re-attached.  If I go 3/4"npt then I
> would have to adapt from 1/2 to 3/4 and back to 1/2 for the rest of the
> piping.  That may negate the benefits of a larger check valve.  Right?

The adapting from 1/2" to 3/4" will increase the dead volume before the
check valve, with the attendent difficulties. Threading into the
compressor's heads sounds like the best bet, though that will also
increase the dead volume over the stock reed valves.

You won't really know the exact effects until you try it out. Or maybe you
could repair the reed valves, or make new ones. They're typically made out
of a springy copper alloy (phosphor bronze?) and are typically flat sheets
with a U-shaped cut-out around where the valve "seat" is so there is a
free "tab" that can flex as the air flow pushes it.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] air compressor woes

[Luther Gulseth]

The check valves would thread right into this compressor's heads and then the 
existing piping could be re-attached.  If I go 3/4"npt then I would have to 
adapt from 1/2 to 3/4 and back to 1/2 for the rest of the piping.  That may negate 
the benefits of a larger check valve.  Right?


On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 22:36:34 -0500, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:41:51 -0500 "Luther Gulseth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


Couldn't I just install 1/2"npt check valves from McMaster-Carr on all 4
ports to supliment the worn/broken reed valves?  Am I totally off base
here, or would this work

http://www.mcmaster.com/   m/n: 7768K24


Yes, it would work. The extra, dead volume of the piping to connect to the
check valves will limit ultimate pressure and maybe volume.

You might want to use a larger size than 1/2", too.


Craig




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'83 300SD (236 kmi)
'82 300CD (160 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work

Re: [MBZ] 124 Trans diagnosis

[Marshall Booth]

Loren Faeth wrote:

Herr Doktor,

Is any of this fixable from underneath, without removing the trans?  I put 
a filter and fluid in not long ago, I think it was May.  It has been 
working just fine, and was going down the highway when this started.  A 
broken spring or a blown oring seem plausible.  How is the valve body 
sealed to the transmission?  are there orings?  Are there springs in the 
valve body?  I apologize if these are dumb questions, but I have avoided 
working on AT until now.  (only had manual trans until we got the 240D 
about 10 years ago.)


I've never done it but the valve body CAN be removed and repaired after 
removing the pan. Get specifics from someone that's done it - NOT from me.


Marshall
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'87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 
190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] air compressor woes

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:41:51 -0500 "Luther Gulseth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Couldn't I just install 1/2"npt check valves from McMaster-Carr on all 4
> ports to supliment the worn/broken reed valves?  Am I totally off base
> here, or would this work
> 
> http://www.mcmaster.com/   m/n: 7768K24

Yes, it would work. The extra, dead volume of the piping to connect to the
check valves will limit ultimate pressure and maybe volume.

You might want to use a larger size than 1/2", too.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Bouncing speedo FIXED

[Marshall Booth]

Euan wrote:

Hi there colleagues

 


Had an instrument specialist service and recalibrate my speedo yesterday.
I'm pleased to report that replacing the cable inner put a stop to my speedo
needle's demented gymnastics. Now it's rock-steady through the speed range.
Bliss. Other than that, the specialist could find nothing wrong with the
mechanism, even after dismantling it. 

 


I discussed your lubrication suggestions with him. He insisted that
lubrication was not necessary, and certainly ill-advised if I was thinking
of tipping oil down the cable itself (the inner winds the oil back into the
speedo head).   

 


My only concern is that the cable inner has been replaced many times at what
I recall are surprisingly frequent intervals. The outer has been replaced
once also. So why are they wearing out so quickly?

 


Thanks for your help, guys


It's rare to replace only the inner core in the US. Usually the entire 
cable assembly (inner and outer) is replaced as they wear at about the 
same rate and a new inner core seldom lasts even half the life of a 
complete new cable assembly. Last ones I bought were quite modestly 
priced ($40 US).


Marshall
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'87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 
190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] 2nd time - Brake Problem 1990 300 SE - 126

[Marshall Booth]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello,
I have brake problems with my 1990 300SE:
1. I have had a "thump, thump" when applying the brakes.
2. I examined the front brakes thinking it was a rotor that needed to be 
turned. With the wheel off, I turned the rotors but they seemed to run true 
with no scraping or visible variance while turning.
3. I examined the rear brakes and both calipers were frozen and the rotors 
rusted and grooved (but the pads ok). So I replaced both rear rotors and 
removed the calipers. I removed the caliper pistons which were gunked up, 
cleaned them and replaced them. The cylinders inside the calipers are a little 
scoured but now there's a free flow of fluid out the bleeder valves and they 
seem to work well. I bled the air out of them.
4. After rebuilding the rear brakes and bleeding them, I have a lot less pedal 
and the thump-thump is still there - just as before. The reservoir remains full.
5. I am thinking about doing the same with the front brakes - replacing the 
rotors and cleaning/rebuilding the calipers - even though the rotors seem to 
turn true and the calipers seem to work OK.
6. Could the thump-thump be caused by something else - perhaps something in the 
ABS system? The ABS light has been on for some time but I thought it was 
probably a bad sensor. How do I test the sensors?
Thanks for any advice you can offer on this.
Les 


What do you bet that the rear brake reservoir (the one you can't see) is 
empty! Fill the reservoir to above the full mark, allow a few moments 
for the fluid to fill the unseen compartment and bleed the system.


It's also possible that if you've pushed the pedal to the floor half a 
dozen times (or more) when working on the system, you've cut the seal on 
one section of the master cylinder and you need a new master cylinder 
now. This is VERY common with older master cylinders - especially if the 
fluid in the system wasn't reliably changed every few years!


Marshall
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'87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 
190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] 124 Trans diagnosis

[Loren Faeth]

Herr Doktor,

Is any of this fixable from underneath, without removing the trans?  I put 
a filter and fluid in not long ago, I think it was May.  It has been 
working just fine, and was going down the highway when this started.  A 
broken spring or a blown oring seem plausible.  How is the valve body 
sealed to the transmission?  are there orings?  Are there springs in the 
valve body?  I apologize if these are dumb questions, but I have avoided 
working on AT until now.  (only had manual trans until we got the 240D 
about 10 years ago.)


Loren



It's all a matter ATF pressure. Sounds like you are loosing pressure as
the transmission fluid heats up and that causes the transmission to
downshift and to NOT shift up. It can be a matter of wear, dirt in the
valve body, scarred seals, a broken spring, etc.

Marshall
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'87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84
190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

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Re: [MBZ] G-Series?

[Marshall Booth]

Bob Rentfro wrote:

Andrew wondered:

"why did Mercedes use a dash design where the keys and keyring
 dangling from the ignition would inevitably damage the dashboard finish?"

I bet Herr Doktor Boothwould love to answer this!


Back then, Mercedes provided a little leather key cover that held JUST 
the car key and wouldn't damage anything. They discouraged the use of 
rings with other keys, flashlights, penknives, tape measures, etc. on 
them and requested that dealers caution their customers to prevent 
premature wear of the ignition tumbler (they didn't mention the wood).


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] w116 euros

[redghost]

http://cm.ebay.com/cm/ck/1065-29322-2357-0? 
uid=&site=0&ver=EOISUA080805&lk=URL&item=290019726459


these are them

On Aug 22, 2006, at 5:45 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:


redghost wrote:


What are your needs.  I needs them to be gone or my source of conjugal
bliss will cut me off.


I can send you postage tomorrow. ;-)
I was quite excited about a set Fred Johnson (where'd he go?)
found at a junkyard for $20 a couple of years ago, but when he went  
back

to get them the price had gone up quite a bit and I passed, so somebody
out west (you?) got them. I'm kinda indifferent to euros on the 116  
because
I've got the Cibies from my Saab 99. (not sure if I want to buy euros  
for
the 201 or just use the Hellas that I bought for my Citation in the  
1980's)


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1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] de-rusting

[Craig McCluskey]

On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 20:28:34 -0500 "Luther Gulseth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Why is bottom posting so annoying?

> .
> 
> Because you have to scroll down through 80 lines of text to see what
> they typed!

Not if you trim appropriately! Which, I might add, makes the digest more
readable for those that get it that way. Why have to scroll down through
80 lines that you've already read for the 5th time?!


Craig

Re: [MBZ] G-Series?

[Marshall Booth]

Bob Rentfro wrote:

http://tinyurl.com/gapbl

What is this "G-series". I don't think I've ever heard of such a thing.


I see NOTHING special about this car. A very ordinary W108 with modest 
mileage for a ~35 year old car.


Marshall
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'87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 
190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] 124 Trans diagnosis

[Marshall Booth]

andrew strasfogel wrote:

Why couldn't the symptoms be vacuum related?


Vacuum doesn't control WHEN the shifts occur in 722.3/4 transmissions, 
only how firm the shift is!


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] [bracket posting]

[LT Don]

Actually, you are. My kids are age 30 and 28. Step-daughter is 19.

On 8/23/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


whoa, I ain't THAT young.  Gee


On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:41:48 -0500, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Damn'd defective condom!
>
> [Ok, to let the rest of you in on the joke, Luther is the same age as my
> "baby" kid.]
>
> On 8/23/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> yes daddy?
>>
>> .com
>>
>
>
>



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'83 300SD (236 kmi)
'82 300CD (160 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work

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Re: [MBZ] 124 Trans diagnosis

[Marshall Booth]

Loren Faeth wrote:


All you with auto trans experience:

88 300 TE  trans has worked perfectly.  Fri night after about 180 miles of 
a trip, suddenly downshifted into 3rd and stayed there.  Fluid is ok, Level 
is ok.  Fuel filters and throttle position seem to be normal (no sign of 
obstructed filter)  within a few minuted it downshifted again into second.


Then it starts a cycle of start, shift into 3rd, will seem to stay in gear 
at 30-35 mph, but won't shift up into 4th , even at higher speeds.  If you 
try to push it above 40, it shifts into neutral.  Let off the gas and wait, 
it will shift into gear again, then downshift to second or third.  get up 
to 35 again, in 3rd, and it will run 5 miles or so, then shift into neutral 
and repeat the process.  Let off the gas, coast wait until it shifts back 
into gear, etc.


Any thoughts about the diagnosis?  We managed to limp the last 30 miles and 
it started a disastrous weekend of dead electric motors and pumps not 
pumping, and another car  down for the count.   My guess is that the trans 
is dead.


It's all a matter ATF pressure. Sounds like you are loosing pressure as 
the transmission fluid heats up and that causes the transmission to 
downshift and to NOT shift up. It can be a matter of wear, dirt in the 
valve body, scarred seals, a broken spring, etc.


Marshall
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  "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 
190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] [bracket posting]

[Luther Gulseth]

whoa, I ain't THAT young.  Gee


On Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:41:48 -0500, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Damn'd defective condom!

[Ok, to let the rest of you in on the joke, Luther is the same age as my
"baby" kid.]

On 8/23/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


yes daddy?

.com









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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (236 kmi)
'82 300CD (160 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work

Re: [MBZ] [bracket posting]

[LT Don]

Damn'd defective condom!

[Ok, to let the rest of you in on the joke, Luther is the same age as my
"baby" kid.]

On 8/23/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


yes daddy?

.com





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[MBZ] air compressor woes

[Luther Gulseth]

Ok, so I just "injected" some Marvel Mystery Oil into the intakes of both cylinders 
as an attempt to unstick the possibly stuck rings.  While I was doing this, I placed my thumb 
over the intakes and completely blocked them off only to find that BOTH intakes suck and 
blow Gr, so the reed valves are shot.  Now, my brain starts wanderingreed 
valves are check valves.  Couldn't I just install 1/2"npt check valves from McMaster-Carr 
on all 4 ports to supliment the worn/broken reed valves?  Am I totally off base here, or would 
this work

http://www.mcmaster.com/   m/n: 7768K24

--
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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (236 kmi)
'82 300CD (160 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) needs MAJOR work

[MBZ] Mercedes credit card

[Mitch Haley]

5% bonus on spending at the stealership:
https://www3.bankofamerica.com/creditcards/application_mb/index.cfm?product_id=mb_visa