Re: [MBZ] Brake booster woes

[Jim Cathey]

I presume theres a grommet too or is it included?
I imagine its a tight fit on the line.


I guess it's normally part of the hose, because there's no way
to stretch it far enough to go either of the fittings.  (So it's
put on first.)

I, however, often replace missing such grommets with ones I pull out
of used oil filters.  Spray off the oil, slit 'em open, and wrap it
around the line.  Turn it so the slit is not in the open on the metal
clamp that holds it.  Works well.  This, of course, is only suitable
when the line is not significantly damaged due to the missing grommet.
(Otherwise a little Shoe Goo might be appropriate! :-)

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications

[LT Don]

I can provide guidance -- you just entered MY field.

Don
www.genesisdevelopment.com

B.A. Sacred Music
B.S. Liberal Arts (Business/MIS)

On 10/26/06, BillR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Just about any doctorate [out of the sciences/engineering] is an admission
of having a compulsive disorder of some sort IMHO.
BillR





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Re: [MBZ] loop style glow plug retrofit options?

[Jim Cathey]

I would use stranded
from the first plug in the 'chain' to the relay.


Which should, of course, already be there as part of the
series system you're replacing.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 1976 450SL for sale

[Jim Cathey]

I saw a 1976 450SL...They want 12,995.


Makes mine sound like a bargain, only asking $6900 right now
and the seats look pretty good too.

http://cathey.dogear.com/JSLsale.html

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Old Mercedes Spotted

[Jim Cathey]

Is that the original color? Looks  like 57 Chevy turquoise repaint. I
would only go $513 because of that.


So would that mean you'd go higher or lower if it also had
a Chevy 350 and torqueflite in it?  :-)

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Qualifications

[Jim Cathey]

I [Zeitgeist] is really really smart.


An unhealthy admiration of the crazy Finns?
A penchant for buying and selling rolling blackberry farms?
Evidence suggests otherwise!

My wife thinks I'm Densa 'nuff to be a member.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 1976 450SL for sale

[Ed Booher]

On 10/26/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I saw a 1976 450SL...They want 12,995.

Makes mine sound like a bargain, only asking $6900 right now
and the seats look pretty good too.

http://cathey.dogear.com/JSLsale.html

-- Jim


You should list it as "Regular $191.67 payments, buy here pay by mail
for the next 36 months" :)

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Re: [MBZ] Qualifications

[LT Don]

Careful, Jim -- you are starting to type like DanG.

On 10/26/06, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> I [Zeitgeist] is really really smart.

An unhealthy admiration of the crazy Finns?
A penchant for buying and selling rolling blackberry farms?
Evidence suggests otherwise!

My wife thinks I'm Densa 'nuff to be a member.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 1990 300SE - Head Gasket

[M.Afzaal.Khan]

Hi
  the 103 engine fitted to the 300SE does have a  known  weak spot  in the 
right rear of the engine  where the oil and water channels are adjacent to 
each other.  corrosion, age related fatigue on the gasket causes this oil 
and water  mix.

Early telltale signs are oily residue in the water header tank .
It will be  most effective  to thoroughly  flush the system   a couple of 
times  to remove all the  residues  which  can cause the hoses to soften or 
if the hoses are old to replace al at this point.

mak


Dear Mz Friends,
I have an offer to replace a head gasket on my 1990 300SE at $1,000. How 
does that sound?
What's the probability of the head being warped? The car overheated but 
never pegged the temp guage. I have oil mixed in the anti-freeze but not 
the other way around.
If the head is warped - what additional costs can I expect (i.e. to have 
the same shop do it when it is down with the head gasket replacement?

Thanks very much,
Les
Boston

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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:02:29 -0700
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the 94 was a john browning design and would be the lever action we
would generally have the greatest familiarity with. it's a sweet gun,
but you find most of them in 30-30, which is just not that interesting
a cartridge for me.


I have one in .44 mag. I like .44 mag, don't ask me why. I prefer
the medium loads, not the hot stuff. If I was after deer, the 30-30
would be a better choice (in 94's) I'm sure. I don't have one of
those, but I do have a pot-gun in 45-70/.22 that's probably good
for taking rabbit-chasing deer. Get the rabbit for lunch, and
the deer for dinner! (I don't hunt, however. Only old Mercedes.)


useful today as they day they were first produced. i mean, is there
really a better pistol than the 1911?


Sure. Depends on your purpose, of course. For swimming armed in
salt water it's hard to beat a Glock, for example. For pure esthetics,
though, the 1911 is pretty sweet. Your best bet is to own one of
everything!

-- Jim




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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:29:43 +0500
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Subject: [MBZ] sluggish running 300Se.
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the 300Se /103 engine seems to be sluggish from idle to about 2200RPM, 
then the acceleration is quite brisk.


the engine has freshly replaced electric consumables including the 
throttle plate potentiometer, fuel pump and filter.


I have slightly leaned out then richened the mixture but still,around 2200 
RMP is the point when the engine becomes brisk and eager to pull to the 
limit. Is it a erratic EHA unit ?

Input will be most appreciated
thanks
mak

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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:45:20 -0500
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Iron equals wear on steel or cast iron parts, but if it is indeed 20%
less than the last oil change, you may be correct.

You may also be seeing less wear, too. It's not carbon being released
so much a "hard sludge" being dissolved, though.

Peter




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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:00:11 -0500
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] sluggish running 300Se.
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Check the timing chain, they dont' last all that long in an M103
(single row chain!), and your symptoms sound a great deal like late
valve timing -- the power is still there, but it doesn't show up until
high rpm.

Peter




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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:04:37 +0500
From: "M.Afzaal.Khan" <[EM

[MBZ] 300CE on eBay

[OK Don]

I thought the 300CE was a snazzy looking car, so searched eBay, and
found this one near me.
Does this picture look scary to anyone else?
http://i10.ebayimg.com/02/i/08/bd/69/12_3.JPG

auction - 110046278224  
http://tinyurl.com/y48mvu

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Re: [MBZ] Qualifications

[Zeitgeist]

I IS really really smart

On 10/26/06, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Careful, Jim -- you are starting to type like DanG.



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Gashuffer:
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Re: [MBZ] 300CE on eBay

[Craig McCluskey]

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:26:34 -0500 "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Does this picture look scary to anyone else?
> http://i10.ebayimg.com/02/i/08/bd/69/12_3.JPG

Uh, yeah!

The tachometer says the engine is running, but the oil pressure is zero.

Not good.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] 300CE on eBay

[Sunil Hari]

the ad does say that the tach is not accurate.  however, given that the temp
gauge is at 85 and the idiot lights aren't on, the car is indeed "running."


RUN.

On 10/26/06, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:26:34 -0500 "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Does this picture look scary to anyone else?
> http://i10.ebayimg.com/02/i/08/bd/69/12_3.JPG

Uh, yeah!

The tachometer says the engine is running, but the oil pressure is zero.

Not good.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 300CE on eBay

[OK Don]

That's what I thought -- but then, if it could be bought for a "dead
engine" price, it would be a nice recipient for a 603 transplant!

On 10/26/06, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

the ad does say that the tach is not accurate.  however, given that the temp
gauge is at 85 and the idiot lights aren't on, the car is indeed "running."




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Re: [MBZ] sluggish running 300Se.

[Hendrik Riessen]

That's what I used to believe until I heard from quite a few sources that 
the 103 is way better on timing chains because the camshaft does not 
'vibrate' as much as the 102 camshaft. Of course I have no definitive proof 
of this (as in factory technical literature), so I am not going to dig my 
heels in on this.
Suffice to say MB dropped the ball on this design both in early 102 and 103 
motors. I am not sure about the 103 motor but the 102 went to double row 
towards the end of it's production run. I also fail to understand why it 
took MB so long to finally upgrade the timing chain, how much money where 
they saving by putting in a single row (this applies to other motors as 
well)? Of course these chains never failed while the car was under warranty, 
much to the owners delight.


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Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] sluggish running 300Se.



They are not misadjusted, they are opening and closing late in relation
to crank/piston position and ignition timing.  This interferes with air
flow quite a bit at low charge density/low velocity.  The effect is
much less as the charge density goes up and the velocity in the intake
runners increases.

The M103 chain is a weak sister -- they only last 100,000 miles under
the best conditions (synthetic oil) and will wear sooner if you use
dino oil.

It is exactly the same chain as the M102 and is pulling four more
valves...

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] sluggish running 300Se.

[M.Afzaal.Khan]

Interesting to know about the O2 tester.details?
with 130K  kilometres   the engine is very sound. Seems to be a fuelling 
problem as  at part warm-up the engine is responsive right across.

mak


distributor sensor plate sticking) or perhaps wonky O2 sensor. I have
recently build a tester for the O2 sensor and seeing that they are cheap 
to

make, I may hardwire one into my 201.

Hendrik

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Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] sluggish running 300Se.



Check the timing chain, they dont' last all that long in an M103
(single row chain!), and your symptoms sound a great deal like late
valve timing -- the power is still there, but it doesn't show up until
high rpm.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] 300CE on eBay

[Hendrik Riessen]

The econometer would be in the red with the engine off. Also the odometer 
numbers don't line up too well...hmmmnh.

But worst of all it is just about out of fuel.
I suppose it could be a dodgy gauge or sender, don't think it is a fuse 
cause other things run off the same fuse.
However if the current owner has driven around without fixing the oil gauge 
then I do not think he/she was very good at maintaining it.


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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300CE on eBay


the ad does say that the tach is not accurate.  however, given that the 
temp
gauge is at 85 and the idiot lights aren't on, the car is indeed 
"running."



RUN.

On 10/26/06, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:26:34 -0500 "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Does this picture look scary to anyone else?
> http://i10.ebayimg.com/02/i/08/bd/69/12_3.JPG

Uh, yeah!

The tachometer says the engine is running, but the oil pressure is zero.

Not good.


Craig

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[MBZ] Missing lister #2, where's Spud?

[JFreezn]

First Marshall and now Spud, is someone, or something, taking our good  
people away?  Has anyone heard from Dave Meimann?  I hope nothing  untoward has 
happened to these two gentlemen.  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 264 K miles 
98 ML 320, 146 K  miles

Re: [MBZ] Brake booster woes

[LarryT]

I missed this the 1st time around - perhaps its not pertinent - there's an 
o-ring where the MC mates to the booster.  It does *not* always come w/new 
booster.  It fits into a groove near the  MC flange.  its critical to seal 
the booster -


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I presume theres a grommet too or is it included?
I imagine its a tight fit on the line.


I guess it's normally part of the hose, because there's no way
to stretch it far enough to go either of the fittings.  (So it's
put on first.)

I, however, often replace missing such grommets with ones I pull out
of used oil filters.  Spray off the oil, slit 'em open, and wrap it
around the line.  Turn it so the slit is not in the open on the metal
clamp that holds it.  Works well.  This, of course, is only suitable
when the line is not significantly damaged due to the missing grommet.
(Otherwise a little Shoe Goo might be appropriate! :-)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Missing lister #2, where's Spud?

[Mitch Haley]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> First Marshall and now Spud, is someone, or something, taking our good
> people away?  Has anyone heard from Dave Meimann?  

Stick this in your MBZ address book, I'm sure he'd like to
hear from you. "Dave M." 

Dave left first, I think he quit last winter. He seems to spend his time on
the 500E forums and mersuforum.net. He's still alive, I've exchanged emails
with him this week. BTW, if anybody wants instructions for registering at
mersuforum (Finnish forum, has an english topic mainly devoted to diesel
hot rods) I posted instructions at buymbparts after I figured it out. 
It's not easy filling out a registration form in Finnish without
instructions.
http://buymbparts.com/forum/showthread.php?t=626

Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] Old Mercedes Spotted

[degcoast]

I would run the other way.
 Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> > Is that the original color? Looks  like 57 Chevy turquoise repaint. I
> > would only go $513 because of that.
> 
> So would that mean you'd go higher or lower if it also had
> a Chevy 350 and torqueflite in it?  :-)
> 
> -- Jim
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Missing lister #2, where's Spud?

[Kevin J. Slater]

As Mitch said: Dave's alive and well. He keeps some of us 87 300TD owners
up to date on topics that he feels will interest us. I think the signal to
noise ratio on this list just got too high for his particular interests.

And we have new guys, like the indomitable Mr. Cathey, pitching in and
helping us low cost guys out with great research and advice..

...Kevin

Mitch Haley said:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> First Marshall and now Spud, is someone, or something, taking our good
>> people away?  Has anyone heard from Dave Meimann?
>
> Stick this in your MBZ address book, I'm sure he'd like to
> hear from you. "Dave M." 
>
> Dave left first, I think he quit last winter. He seems to spend his time
> on
> the 500E forums and mersuforum.net. He's still alive, I've exchanged
> emails
> with him this week. BTW, if anybody wants instructions for registering at
> mersuforum (Finnish forum, has an english topic mainly devoted to diesel
> hot rods) I posted instructions at buymbparts after I figured it out.
> It's not easy filling out a registration form in Finnish without
> instructions.
> http://buymbparts.com/forum/showthread.php?t=626
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] 300CE on eBay

[Alan Duff]

I've got a '91 300CE 24-Valve as a daily driver. Be prepared for some 
expensive parts due to the smaller number of cars produced. When I bought 
it a couple of years ago it needed an electrical module (don't remember 
the exact name). A new one was over $1,500, found a used one for $300. I 
replaced the fuel distributor recently, Rusty has new ones for $1,600 but 
he found me a rebuilt one for $600 with core exchange. It needs a valve 
job and Jarek, Michael Hall's dad who works on it for me, quoted around 
$2,000 for the job. You have to use at least mid-grade gasoline and it 
runs better on premium.
Positive points are it runs like a bat our of h***, with quick 
acceleration, takes corners like it is on rails and gets around 22 mpg. 
And as you say, it looks snazzy. Mine is black with grey interior and 16 
inch wheels from a CLK. 

Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN


On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:26:34 -0500, "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :

> I thought the 300CE was a snazzy looking car, so searched eBay, and
> found this one near me.

Re: [MBZ] Missing lister #2, where's Spud?

[Joe Knight]

First Marshall and now Spud, is someone, or something, taking our good
people away?  Has anyone heard from Dave Meimann?


What Mitch said, Jim.  My recall not quite being the steel trap it
once was I'm not positive but I have a vague recollection of his
having asked after you in the not too far distant past.  Maybe your
spam filter's a bit overly aggressive...?

As for the good doktor, he's alive & presumably well over at the MBCA forum.

-joe

Re: [MBZ] Missing lister #2, where's Spud?

[Jim Cathey]

My recall not quite being the steel trap it once was...


I've seen plenty of steel traps that remind me of my own
mind hanging on the walls at Auntie Q's place... all
rusty, sprung out of shape, and semi-functional!

-- Jim

[MBZ] 190D vibromobile

[Jim Cathey]

I'd always laid it on the motor mounts, but they're new and
obviously functional.  I suppose that next up on the suspicion
list for the engine's buzzing obnoxiously at around 2000 rpm
is the fact that I used a 601's flywheel on a 602.

Somebody tell me it ain't so!

-- Jim

[MBZ] 1976 450SL for sale

[Walt Lasher]

On 10/26/06, Jim Cathey < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > wrote:
> > I saw a 1976 450SL...They want 12,995.
>
> Makes mine sound like a bargain, only asking $6900 right now
> and the seats look pretty good too.


 Yea, it’s a about $2-3000 overpriced, and the horsehair seats are
coming out the bottom

Walt Lasher
W140 S350
Seattle

Re: [MBZ] Now: Qualifications

[andrew strasfogel]

I am so NOT offended by Rich despite our differing opinions.

On 10/26/06, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Way to jump in there in Kaleb's stead, Rusty.

Bob R

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> Yes, let's try to keep it to cars mostly. And parts of course!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harry Watkins
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 4:30 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Now: Qualifications
>
> I agree, don't go there, this list is reeling as it is.
>
> Harry
>
>
> On 10/26/06, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:42:01 -0500 Rich Thomas
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > Aren't you already a Republican?
>>
>> Don't go there.
>>
>>
>> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] 190D vibromobile

[Tom Hargrave]

Could be, I know that unlike the 240D engine, the flywheel on the 300D
engine is dynamically balanced with the rest of the crank assembly. I don't
know about the 601 / 602 engines.

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Subject: [MBZ] 190D vibromobile

I'd always laid it on the motor mounts, but they're new and
obviously functional.  I suppose that next up on the suspicion
list for the engine's buzzing obnoxiously at around 2000 rpm
is the fact that I used a 601's flywheel on a 602.

Somebody tell me it ain't so!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications

[andrew strasfogel]

I learn a lot by making provocative statements and then watching the rest of
you geniuses hold forth...

On 10/26/06, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I can provide guidance -- you just entered MY field.

Don
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B.A. Sacred Music
B.S. Liberal Arts (Business/MIS)

On 10/26/06, BillR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Just about any doctorate [out of the sciences/engineering] is an
admission
> of having a compulsive disorder of some sort IMHO.
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Re: [MBZ] 300CE on eBay

[andrew strasfogel]

It's effing beautiful - I love the color (mittlerot or orient red??).

On 27 Oct 2006 12:50:05 -, Alan Duff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I've got a '91 300CE 24-Valve as a daily driver. Be prepared for some
expensive parts due to the smaller number of cars produced. When I bought
it a couple of years ago it needed an electrical module (don't remember
the exact name). A new one was over $1,500, found a used one for $300. I
replaced the fuel distributor recently, Rusty has new ones for $1,600 but
he found me a rebuilt one for $600 with core exchange. It needs a valve
job and Jarek, Michael Hall's dad who works on it for me, quoted around
$2,000 for the job. You have to use at least mid-grade gasoline and it
runs better on premium.
Positive points are it runs like a bat our of h***, with quick
acceleration, takes corners like it is on rails and gets around 22 mpg.
And as you say, it looks snazzy. Mine is black with grey interior and 16
inch wheels from a CLK.

Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN


On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:26:34 -0500, "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :

> I thought the 300CE was a snazzy looking car, so searched eBay, and
> found this one near me.


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Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications

[Rich Thomas]

Very cheap fun.

--R

andrew strasfogel wrote:

I learn a lot by making provocative statements and then watching the rest of
you geniuses hold forth...

  
  

Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications

[Bob Rentfro]

Ahhh...perhaps you share my admiration of Fanny J. Crosby and Charles Wesley 
and William J.Kirkpatrick to name three.


Rock on, LT Don.

Bob R

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Just about any doctorate [out of the sciences/engineering] is an 
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Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications

[BillR]

 Just as long as you recognize the genius ...
BillR

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Very cheap fun.

--R

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of
> you geniuses hold forth...
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Re: [MBZ] 190D vibromobile

[JFreezn]

 
In a message dated 10/27/2006 6:31:39 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I'd  always laid it on the motor mounts, but they're new and
obviously  functional.  I suppose that next up on the suspicion
list for the  engine's buzzing obnoxiously at around 2000 rpm
is the fact that I used a  601's flywheel on a 602.

Somebody tell me it ain't so!

--  Jim



The book says some droning/vibration can be caused by excess oil entering  
the intake via the vacuum pump.  Just a shot in the dark!
 
Regards,  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 264 K miles 
98 ML 320, 146 K  miles

[MBZ] Partly OT - cold air into exhaust

[Zoltan Finks]

Question is: Can having a break in your exhause pipe about 2/3 of the way to
the tailpipe (in other words, about under the rear seat, and just before the
muffler) cause enough cold air (remember we have sub-zeros coming) to harm
(as in "burn") the vavles? This is what I was warned about years ago when
running open headers occasionally came into the picture.

This is partly OT becase I'm not talking about my Mercedes, I'm talking
about a gasser four-cylinder (whose make shall remain unnamed in the
interest of quelling any protest).

Probably, the cat converter would protect things?

Brian

[MBZ] Twin Cities Minn/St. Paul

[ts]

Anyone on the list live near St. Paul/Minniapolis area, MN?

Regards Tom

Re: [MBZ] 190D vibromobile

[Mitch Haley]

Jim Cathey wrote:
> 
> list for the engine's buzzing obnoxiously at around 2000 rpm
> is the fact that I used a 601's flywheel on a 602. 
> Somebody tell me it ain't so!

I doubt it, just makes you rev a little more off the line to store
enough energy to launch the car with the lighter flywheel. If it's
off balance, it will get worse when you rev higher. If it's not off
balance, I'd check out a lot of other things before worrying about
the flywheel. Have you done a power balance test? If all cylinders
aren't firing evenly, it will cause vibration that gets less noticeable
at higher revs.

Re: [MBZ] Partly OT - cold air into exhaust

[JFreezn]

 
In a message dated 10/27/2006 8:59:24 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Question  is: Can having a break in your exhause pipe about 2/3 of the way to
the  tailpipe (in other words, about under the rear seat, and just before  the
muffler) cause enough cold air (remember we have sub-zeros coming) to  harm
(as in "burn") the vavles? This is what I was warned about years ago  when
running open headers occasionally came into the picture.

This  is partly OT becase I'm not talking about my Mercedes, I'm talking
about a  gasser four-cylinder (whose make shall remain unnamed in the
interest of  quelling any protest).

Probably, the cat converter would protect  things?

Brian



Brian,
 
I had heard that warning too, and think it mostly affects zoomy headers,  the 
ones that go up.  cold air falls and would not naturally flow up a hot  
header from below.
 
The tortuous flow path involved would preclude any large shot of cold air  
from reaching the valves.  I would worry more about the potential death  threat 
of carbon monoxide exiting that hole and entering the cabin.
 
Regards  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 264 K miles 
98 ML 320, 146 K  miles

Re: [MBZ] Partly OT - cold air into exhaust

[Alan Duff]

I don't know about the valve situation but I wouldn't want an exhaust leak 
under the interior compartment. Sitting stuck in traffic muight put you to 
sleep permanently. I have done a few temp fixes using the exhaust repair 
kits you can buy at McParts stores. 

Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 10:57:49 -0500, "Zoltan Finks" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :

> Question is: Can having a break in your exhause pipe about 2/3 of the 
way to
> the tailpipe (in other words, about under the rear seat, and just before 
the
> muffler) cause enough cold air (remember we have sub-zeros coming) to 
harm
> (as in "burn") the vavles? This is what I was warned about years ago when
> running open headers occasionally came into the picture.
> 
> This is partly OT becase I'm not talking about my Mercedes, I'm talking
> about a gasser four-cylinder (whose make shall remain unnamed in the
> interest of quelling any protest).
> 
> Probably, the cat converter would protect things?
> 
> Brian
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Re: [MBZ] Partly OT - cold air into exhaust

[Mitch Haley]

I don't think it's cold air, but rather oxygen, that burns exhaust valves.
Open headers won't do it, but open ports with no header/manifold will. 
Like Alan said, carbon monoxide under the car isn't good, keep the fan
on high, with fresh air coming in from the cowl, so keep the cabin 
pressurized and hopefully exhaust infiltration will be minimized. 
Mitch.

[MBZ] E-Bay Item 130039371911

[Tom Harruff]

  Don't see a lot of these on the road.

  
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Re: [MBZ] E-Bay Item 130039371911

[LarryT]

Please excuse me -- I feel ill.

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Re: [MBZ] E-Bay Item 130039371911

[Steve MacSween]

I was laughing my brains out... until I saw the BIN price. At that point I
almost swallowed my gum.

Macon 10/27/06 1:00 PM, LarryT at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Please excuse me -- I feel ill.
> 
> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
>

Re: [MBZ] Twin Cities Minn/St. Paul

[andrew strasfogel]

Not exactly, but what if I did?

On 10/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Anyone on the list live near St. Paul/Minniapolis area, MN?

Regards Tom


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Re: [MBZ] E-Bay Item 130039371911

[andrew strasfogel]

Cheap at TWICE the price.  Can you imagine how much work went into this?  I
just love the english description too

On 10/27/06, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I was laughing my brains out... until I saw the BIN price. At that point I
almost swallowed my gum.

Macon 10/27/06 1:00 PM, LarryT at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Please excuse me -- I feel ill.
>
> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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Re: [MBZ] Twin Cities Minn/St. Paul

[Zoltan Finks]

Tom,

I live about 85 mi. south of the Cities.

Let me know what you need and I'll see if I can maybe fit it in this
weekend. Can't make promises, as the wife doesn't like last minute
changes in our plans. But I would certainly like to be able to help
you out.

Brian

On 10/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Anyone on the list live near St. Paul/Minniapolis area, MN?

Regards Tom


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Re: [MBZ] E-Bay Item 130039371911

[Rick Knoble]

For $39000 you get 1700 hours of work. About 23 bucks an hour, not a bad 
deal, for high quality craftsmanship. To bad it is on a car, and not a 
coffee table

Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT 

Re: [MBZ] Partly OT - cold air into exhaust

[Zoltan Finks]

Yes, thanks - I've been keeping the poisoning factor in mind too. I
don't spend much time sitting and idling (but will do more of that
this winter).

I intend to go at the repair with some nice JB Weld. I'm not too
worried about whether it holds or not (the exhaust is rusty) JB is
pretty cheap and I can always try again. I've got the pipe hung so
that it won't fall off.

Brian
who does not have much spendable cash, obviously

On 10/27/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I don't think it's cold air, but rather oxygen, that burns exhaust valves.
Open headers won't do it, but open ports with no header/manifold will.
Like Alan said, carbon monoxide under the car isn't good, keep the fan
on high, with fresh air coming in from the cowl, so keep the cabin
pressurized and hopefully exhaust infiltration will be minimized.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 124 front speakers

[Alex Chamberlain]

Glad it worked for you, Loren.  If you are bothering to replace the
speakers I imagine you're also putting in a new head unit---and in
that case I would strongly recommend also bypassing the center console
fader switch.  You don't need to run new wire to the speakers to
accomplish this, as is usually claimed.  If you cut the wire bundle
that comes into the fader from the head unit at the switch, pull the
bundle back into the head unit opening, and remove all the tape and
shrink-tube holding it together, you'll see the four pairs of front
and rear speaker wires (and a lot of extra spaghetti used to create
common grounds for the fader switch, which can be cut and discarded en
masse).  I used an AA battery to make sure I got the polarity right
and then spliced the speakers into the harness at the head unit
connector.  Using the head unit's fader instead of the outboard one
makes for a BIG improvement in sound---you won't get the full benefit
of newer, higher-output speakers otherwise.

Alex

On 10/26/06, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Thanks.  I found a pocket knife blade was effective between the trim strip
and the grille to pry up the trim strip.  Your guidance was enough to get
me started.  Should have some sound in a day or three.

Loren

At 09:58 AM 10/26/2006, you wrote:
>Loren, if your '88 is like my '87, the angled trim strip to the inside
>of the grille can be pried up.  There are two screws underneath.  A
>stubby screwdriver and a helper with small hands will help to get them
>out---there isn't much clearance between the windshield and dash at
>that point.  After that the grille comes out pretty easily---it has to
>be slid towards the inside, out from under some trim at the A-pillar,
>and then up.  At that point I think it's obvious how to get the
>speakers themselves out.  I seem to remember that they're just held in
>by friction, but replacements will probably have to be screwed down
>into new holes unless you shell out for the Rainbows that are an exact
>fit (i.e. $$$).
>
>Alex Chamberlain
>'87 300D Turbo

Loren Faeth


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Re: [MBZ] E-Bay Item 130039371911

[Zoltan Finks]

Now that's a woody.

I've got to say: I like it! Nicely done, and what's wrong with being
different? And if you're going to be different, better to be way
different. Look at the visual designs on the car - pleasing from an
artistic standpoint.

Brian

On 10/27/06, Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

For $39000 you get 1700 hours of work. About 23 bucks an hour, not a bad
deal, for high quality craftsmanship. To bad it is on a car, and not a
coffee table
Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT


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Re: [MBZ] Was: Kettle, pot, black -Now: Qualifications

[Alex Chamberlain]

You guys are making me feel better about my own checkered academic
career (10+ years as an undergrad with only one diploma to show for
it).  I have a B.S. in computer science, narrowly escaped going to
grad school in philosophy, and recently went back to school to study
accounting.  Now I'm about eight months away from becoming a CPA,
although career-wise in the long term I think I'm headed more in the
direction of computational finance.  No formal M-B-related or other
mechanical qualifications (besides being able to make old
dysfunctional electronics even worse with my clumsy soldering, as Jim
C. can attest).

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper

Re: [MBZ] Partly OT - cold air into exhaust

[David Brodbeck]

Zoltan Finks wrote:
> I intend to go at the repair with some nice JB Weld. I'm not too
> worried about whether it holds or not (the exhaust is rusty) JB is
> pretty cheap and I can always try again. I've got the pipe hung so
> that it won't fall off.
>   

JB Weld doesn't take high temperatures very well.  If it's on a straight
section of pipe, I'd make a "tin can patch" with a piece of sheet metal,
two clamps, and some muffler cement.  Those hold up pretty well.

Re: [MBZ] E-Bay Item 130039371911

[R A Bennell]

Quote from the ad

"For every Mercedes-Fan or Collector this car is a "Must-Have"."

I guess there is likely to be a bidding war, if we all want it, Right?

Randy

Re: [MBZ] E-Bay Item 130039371911

[R A Bennell]

Classy floor mats don't you think?

Randy

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  Don't see a lot of these on the road.


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  1994 C280 (Wife's Car)
  2000 Sedan Deville (Road Car)


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Re: [MBZ] Partly OT - cold air into exhaust

[Zoltan Finks]

Ah. I'm intrigued by this muffler cement. This type of patch wouldn't
work here though, as the break is right where the pipe joins the body
of the muffler (if I recall correctly). So I suppose technically I
need a new muffler.

It's a muffler that's mounted with its length running "side-to-side",
and the pipe entering right into the middle of its cylindrical body.
So not a very common muffler I think.

Since it's looking like we may have to sell the car for parts, I'm
just going to use it this winter and then seek to part with it. The
car runs great - good engine and tranny and nice interior! But there
are annoying things like this that need fixing, and I'm sure nobody
would give me more than a few hundred for the car.

Also: I thought I read recently on a JB Weld package that it
withstands a pretty impressive temperature. I did a thusfar successful
repair right up by the manifold, but I also hung it with a
tightly-wound clothes hanger to take the pressure off the joint.

Brian
83 240D
84 Saab 900



On 10/27/06, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Zoltan Finks wrote:
> I intend to go at the repair with some nice JB Weld. I'm not too
> worried about whether it holds or not (the exhaust is rusty) JB is
> pretty cheap and I can always try again. I've got the pipe hung so
> that it won't fall off.
>

JB Weld doesn't take high temperatures very well.  If it's on a straight
section of pipe, I'd make a "tin can patch" with a piece of sheet metal,
two clamps, and some muffler cement.  Those hold up pretty well.

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Re: [MBZ] Partly OT - cold air into exhaust

[David Brodbeck]

Zoltan Finks wrote:
> Ah. I'm intrigued by this muffler cement.

It's a gray stuff that looks and feels a lot like mortar.  It's crumbly,
so it doesn't hold up when used alone, but it does a good job when put
between pipes or between a pipe and a patch.

>  This type of patch wouldn't
> work here though, as the break is right where the pipe joins the body
> of the muffler (if I recall correctly).

Oh, yeah, those are tough.  Nothing I've tried has worked for long in
that location, but I suppose you have nothing to lose by trying JB
Weld.  Mufflers always seem to rust out and fail at the weld lines,
don't they?

Re: [MBZ] E-Bay Item 130039371911

[Rich Thomas]

Here in Houston there is this tradition of "art cars" started some years 
ago by some hippie artist types, through something called "The Orange 
Show"  http://www.orangeshow.org/artcar.html.  Anyway there are a bunch 
of these things around, I see some of them driving sometimes, others are 
just brought out for the annual parade.  There was a 300D parked at a 
school nearby, a coupla years ago, that had been "arted" up with little 
mirror tiles and various other items stuck to it.  Aside from the 
sacrilege of doing this to an old Benz, it actually did not look half 
bad in an artsy sort of way, as it was somewhat restrained but still 
unique.  I have not seen it around for awhile, not sure where it went.  
Might have been a school project or belonged to some teacher or something.


This guy is a testimonial to the dangers of eccentricities coupled with 
a "shed."


--R  (who hopes to be like that someday, soon perhaps)
  

Re: [MBZ] E-Bay Item 130039371911

[Zoltan Finks]

Funny.

Growing up in Tucson, everybody knew about the carpet covered car in
front of a carpet store. An old Toyota wagon.

Brian

Rich wrote:

This guy is a testimonial to the dangers of eccentricities coupled with
a "shed."

Re: [MBZ] E-Bay Item 130039371911

[David Brodbeck]

Zoltan Finks wrote:
> Funny.
>
> Growing up in Tucson, everybody knew about the carpet covered car in
> front of a carpet store. An old Toyota wagon.
>   

I saw a car a several weeks ago in the Seattle area that appeared to be
two VW Beetle convertibles cut and joined end-to-end.  Unfortunately
traffic was heavy and I couldn't get close enough to get a really good
look at it.

Re: [MBZ] E-Bay Item 130039371911

[LarryT]

Reminds me of the cover photo on a 70's Road&Track.  There, crossing the 
Golden Gate, was a '59 Chev Impala with the body placed backwards on the 
chassis. For all the world it looked like it was being driven against the 
traffic, until you looked inside and saw the driver sitting in the left 
front looking out over the trunk lid .  A real show (or traffic)  stopper --

;-)

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Zoltan Finks wrote:

Funny.

Growing up in Tucson, everybody knew about the carpet covered car in
front of a carpet store. An old Toyota wagon.



I saw a car a several weeks ago in the Seattle area that appeared to be
two VW Beetle convertibles cut and joined end-to-end.  Unfortunately
traffic was heavy and I couldn't get close enough to get a really good
look at it.


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Re: [MBZ] WAS E-Bay Item NOW wierd cars

[R A Bennell]

One of the local highschool autobody training shops did something similar with 
a Ford Contour or Mercury Mistique -
or maybe one of each - can't recall. Both cars must have been damaged from 
behind as they cut them off and welded
them back together in the middle. Being front drive vehicles, you could get in 
and drive off in either direction
depending on which door you used. Don't know what happens if 2 drivers try at 
once. It was showing up at car shows
around here a few years back. Don't know if it was street legal - probably not.

Randy

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Reminds me of the cover photo on a 70's Road&Track.  There, crossing the
Golden Gate, was a '59 Chev Impala with the body placed backwards on the
chassis. For all the world it looked like it was being driven against the
traffic, until you looked inside and saw the driver sitting in the left
front looking out over the trunk lid .  A real show (or traffic)  stopper --
;-)

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Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] E-Bay Item 130039371911


> Zoltan Finks wrote:
>> Funny.
>>
>> Growing up in Tucson, everybody knew about the carpet covered car in
>> front of a carpet store. An old Toyota wagon.
>>
>
> I saw a car a several weeks ago in the Seattle area that appeared to be
> two VW Beetle convertibles cut and joined end-to-end.  Unfortunately
> traffic was heavy and I couldn't get close enough to get a really good
> look at it.
>
>

Re: [MBZ] 300CE on eBay

[RELNGSON]

In the spirit of picking it to pieces.

The car has been repainted inexpensively and the color is is bit off, looking 
at the door jambs. And, it's flat and overly textured all over, looking at 
the camera man's refelection in the side view. The passenger seat has been 
kicked to pieces by exiting rear seat passengers. The mediocre OE radio has 
been 
replaced.

And those wheel finishers with the gold stars permanently scratch the wheels 
when you put them on. Personal experience.

But, it's an old car so

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Twin Cities Minn/St. Paul

[OK Don]

MN Larry on the SL list lives in/near MPLS.

On 10/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Anyone on the list live near St. Paul/Minniapolis area, MN?

Regards Tom




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Re: [MBZ] Twin Cities Minn/St. Paul

[OK Don]

MN Larry - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On 10/27/06, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

MN Larry on the SL list lives in/near MPLS.

On 10/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyone on the list live near St. Paul/Minniapolis area, MN?
>
> Regards Tom


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Re: [MBZ] Partly OT - cold air into exhaust

[OK Don]

I always heard that running open headers could cause the exhaust valve
stems to warp as the cool air entered as it pleased, while the other
end was in the still hot head. I never saw it happen 

On 10/27/06, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Question is: Can having a break in your exhause pipe about 2/3 of the way to
the tailpipe (in other words, about under the rear seat, and just before the
muffler) cause enough cold air (remember we have sub-zeros coming) to harm
(as in "burn") the vavles? This is what I was warned about years ago when
running open headers occasionally came into the picture.




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Re: [MBZ] WAS E-Bay Item NOW wierd cars

[Alex Chamberlain]

Reminds me of the cover photo on a 70's Road&Track.  There, crossing the
Golden Gate, was a '59 Chev Impala with the body placed backwards on the
chassis. For all the world it looked like it was being driven against the
traffic, until you looked inside and saw the driver sitting in the left
front looking out over the trunk lid .  A real show (or traffic)  stopper --


Reminds _me_ of a mid-80s Car & Driver project, back when that
magazine was a lot more interesting---they put a second engine behind
the seats of a Honda CRX driving the back wheels through a second
transaxle (linked to the same shifter).  IIRC, the install was pretty
tidy---the rear engine was hidden under a cover, a custom gauge panel
in the center console kept track of its vital signs, and the ignition
switch was wired with a relay and timer to start the engines
sequentially when turned (so as not to strain the single battery and
integrated electrical system, I suppose).  Sounds like an April Fool's
joke, but apparently the thing ran and drove just fine, though without
much room for cargo!

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper

Re: [MBZ] Partly OT - cold air into exhaust

[Peter Frederick]

You run into trouble if there are large leaks in the exhaust very close 
to the valves, not from air getting in but from excessive heat from 
lack of back pressure --remember, the valve train is designed to have 
the pressure from forcing the exhaust out the pipes, and if you don't 
have pipes you have to change the valve timing to prevent live flame 
from surrounding the exhaust valves under heavy load.  This burns them, 
not air entering the pipes.


Can do goofy things to performance, too, from screwed up airflow, but 
not that far back.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] E-Bay Item 130039371911

[Zoltan Finks]

Funny, cool, and just one more thing to freak skiddish or inattentive
drivers out - scare 'em straight - or swervy.

I did see, years ago, a chevy truck - well you could call is a conjoined
truck (two front ends and no back ends). Trippy.

Brian


On 10/27/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Reminds me of the cover photo on a 70's Road&Track.  There, crossing the
Golden Gate, was a '59 Chev Impala with the body placed backwards on the
chassis. For all the world it looked like it was being driven against the
traffic, until you looked inside and saw the driver sitting in the left
front looking out over the trunk lid .  A real show (or traffic)  stopper
--
;-)

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Re: [MBZ] WAS E-Bay Item NOW wierd cars

[Mitch Haley]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:
> 
> Reminds _me_ of a mid-80s Car & Driver project, back when that
> magazine was a lot more interesting---they put a second engine behind
> the seats of a Honda CRX driving the back wheels through a second
> transaxle (linked to the same shifter). 

I thought the drivetrains were somewhat independent, so you could run
one in neutral with the engine off, but I could be wrong on that point.
Honda gave them a couple of brand new auto tranny Accords from a
train wreck to serve as engine/suspension donors. I think the CRX then
had two 2.2L engines and four wheel drive. Handily outran a CRX Si, but
used a lot more fuel.

I remember the story about checking the oil at a gas station. 
"What'r ya doin' back there?" "Checking the oil". The observer
didn't think that was funny, especially after he watched the
writer check the oil on the front engine. Then one engine
starts, followed by the sound of the other engine starting. 

I must admit, it was more interesting than the C&D project 300TD.

Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] E-Bay Item 130039371911

[Mitch Haley]

There was a guy here in Michigan who redid a rusted Fiat X 1/9 (aren't all
Fiats rusted out?) in wood. He actually replaced steel with wood, claimed
it was hundreds of lbs lighter than the original IIRC.

Re: [MBZ] E-Bay Item 130039371911

[Sunil Hari]

and a lot safer!  esp. when the engine falls out onto the road and you can't
go anywhere.

On 10/27/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



There was a guy here in Michigan who redid a rusted Fiat X 1/9 (aren't all
Fiats rusted out?) in wood. He actually replaced steel with wood, claimed
it was hundreds of lbs lighter than the original IIRC.

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[MBZ] 300CD at Arlington TX auction

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http://www.texascarsforkids.org/details.asp?CarId=17090&vType=1

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