Re: [MBZ] Best way to trouble shoot window, 1979 240D

2007-03-21 Thread Hendrik Riessen
They do get rust in them, pull the cover off the door cover and have a look. 
Best to get parts from the wreckers. Putting a the glass in the channel is a 
total pain.


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Now that weather is getting better time to fix my window that went plop 
this
winter.  Anyone ever do this repair.  Heck I do not even know what is 
wrong

yet.
Window came off track,  I think regulator goes up and down.  Any thoughts
would be a help.  Front passenger window.Thanks

Regards Tom



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Re: [MBZ] Best way to trouble shoot window, 1979 240D

2007-03-21 Thread Rich Thomas
There are 2 big rivets holding the raising arm to the gear that the 
motor turns.  I had one rivet shear, the arm flopped, no action.  Took 
it apart, fixed it with a bolt (had to do some grinding on the head for 
clearance), has held now for 3 or 4 years.


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Now that weather is getting better time to fix my window that went plop this 
winter.  Anyone ever do this repair.  Heck I do not even know what is wrong 
yet.
Window came off track,  I think regulator goes up and down.  Any thoughts 
would be a help.  Front passenger window.Thanks


Regards Tom 

  





Re: [MBZ] my latest haul, a contest

2007-03-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

getting closer

Loren Faeth wrote:

195?
At 08:15 PM 3/19/2007, you wrote:


higher


Loren Faeth 



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Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

I have never pulled one using a leveler, maybe I should get one.

OK Don wrote:

I'm on Richard's level -done a few, and both ways. I now leave the
tranny on the engine - pull them as a unit. I've only done 115/617 and
107/117 chassis though.
My cheap Chinese hoist and leveler worked fine with the iron 117 V8
and it's tranny. That leveler is really nice to work with compared to
doing the job with out it. I found the 115 with the five cylinder
engine to be easier with the rear of the car up as high as I could get
it - but that was before I got the leveler.

Splitting the engine/tranny after they're out is easy - spin the
engine around so the tranny is pointing away from the hoist, set the
engine down on blocks of some sort, leaving tension on the hoist chain
for extra stability, a chunk of 2X12 on top of a floor jack and under
the tranny pan - a helper to keep the tranny from rolling of the floor
jack -- unbolt and roll away ---



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Re: [MBZ] my latest haul, a contest

2007-03-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

almost there

andrew strasfogel wrote:

$195.00

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Jim I like the way you think.COMPLETELY outside of the box.

Mike


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Re: [MBZ] CARFAX Please

2007-03-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

Report Run Date: 03/20/2007
 Vehicle Description:  WAUGC0444KN005000
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 VIN:  WAUGC0444KN005000
 Year:  1989
 Make:  Audi
 Model:  200 Quattro
 Style/Body:  Sedan 4D
 Engine:  2.2L I5 FI
 Country of Assembly:  Germany



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Re: [MBZ] my latest haul, a contest

2007-03-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

$200

Sunil Hari wrote:

ok kleb, we give.  what's the answer?  $150 and a bottle of scotch?

On 3/19/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

higher

Loren Faeth wrote:

$175  and 2 chevy hubcaps?


At 07:47 PM 3/19/2007, you wrote:

higher

BillR wrote:

$150.00

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higher

BillR wrote:

We have a few individuals who do that, and show up an hour off for
everything as a personal protest, or statement of their allegiance to

the

sun or some such.
$137.96, plus expenses.
BillR


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Re: [MBZ] CARFAX Please

2007-03-21 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On 3/20/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


VIN:  WAUGC0444KN005000
  Year:  1989
  Make:  Audi
  Model:  200 Quattro
  Style/Body:  Sedan 4D
  Engine:  2.2L I5 FI
  Country of Assembly:  Germany



Nice car!  Prone to climate control and vacuum problems---lots of turbo
plumbing---but that should be nothing new to a Mercedes owner.  Unless
they've been abused the inline fives run forever---best engine VW/Audi has
ever made.  It was a sad day when they went to V6s, like everyone else
except BMW.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper


[MBZ] 2-220Ds on PHX CL

2007-03-21 Thread Bob Rentfro
Hu

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/296192549.html

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 168K
'87 Acura Legend  183K
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i've seen this over the years - I often see the replies to a question
before I get to the original question - using Gmail. I think it's
delays between the various mail servers and the list mail server's
handling of incoming-outgoing mail. I see more of it on Kleb's server
than I did on Richard's (when it was up).

On 3/20/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So, I don't know if it is this earlier temporal discontinuity or what,
 but I am seeing replies arriving with time stamps before the original
 mail time stamp.  Thunderbird then organizes them by time in my in-box.
 Does the mail server stamp the mail, or does it rely on the sender
 computer time stamp?

 It's kinda weird.

 --R

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Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-21 Thread OK Don

It takes all that pushing and shoving out of the job.

On 3/20/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have never pulled one using a leveler, maybe I should get one.



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Re: [MBZ] my latest haul, a contest

2007-03-21 Thread LT Don

$195.20, the year of my birth (give or take a zero).

On 3/20/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


getting closer

Loren Faeth wrote:
 195?
 At 08:15 PM 3/19/2007, you wrote:

 higher

 Loren Faeth


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Re: [MBZ] OnTopic: Time

2007-03-21 Thread LT Don

If you can perfect this (might want to consult with a certain PhD in New
Mexico), we can clean up on Power Ball.

On 3/20/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


i've seen this over the years - I often see the replies to a question
before I get to the original question - using Gmail. I think it's
delays between the various mail servers and the list mail server's
handling of incoming-outgoing mail. I see more of it on Kleb's server
than I did on Richard's (when it was up).

On 3/20/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So, I don't know if it is this earlier temporal discontinuity or what,
 but I am seeing replies arriving with time stamps before the original
 mail time stamp.  Thunderbird then organizes them by time in my in-box.
 Does the mail server stamp the mail, or does it rely on the sender
 computer time stamp?

 It's kinda weird.

 --R

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Re: [MBZ] Best way to trouble shoot window, 1979 240D

2007-03-21 Thread Jim Cathey
Now that weather is getting better time to fix my window that went 
plop this
winter.  Anyone ever do this repair.  Heck I do not even know what is 
wrong

yet.
Window came off track,  I think regulator goes up and down.  Any 
thoughts

would be a help.  Front passenger window.Thanks


Could be any of a (small) number of things.  None of them
particularly serious.  The track could come unbolted from
the lift, the window could come 'unglued' from its bracket,
the pivot pin could have broken out of its slider, etc...

Gotta open it and have a look, then it'll be obvious.
It only takes about 10 minutes to open up the door.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] OnTopic: Time

2007-03-21 Thread Jim Cathey

Until 2030 or so, when the integer of seconds no longer fits.


That particular integer, yes.  But integer seconds from an epoch
is a pretty nice concept, and the world didn't end at 32 (actually
31) bits.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] my latest haul, a contest

2007-03-21 Thread Loren Faeth

Jeeze, Kaleb

I had $200 before you ended the contest.

At 06:48 PM 3/19/2007, you wrote:

$200 and a 12 pack

At 07:30 PM 3/19/2007, you wrote:
higher

Trampas wrote:
  $100
 
  Trampas

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[MBZ] OT - Sunrise in the east

2007-03-21 Thread wilton strickland
Yes, the sun will rise IN the East (generally to the East) tomorrow, as it
alwasys does, but not DUE EAST (true bearing 090 degrees).  Tomorrow, the
sun will be directly overhead at the equater - sun's subpoint on the
equater - sun's declination = 0 degrees.  At sunrise, sun will be DUE EAST
only for those on the equator.  For us in northern hemisphere, sun will rise
at an angle/bearing south of (greater than) DUE EAST (090).

Wilton




[MBZ] Question about changing the gasket on driver's door

2007-03-21 Thread Craig McCluskey
So I started Saturday to replace the driver's door gasket, which I had
ordered about 6 months ago from Rusty. The installation of the gasket in
its groove went much easier with a little glycerin rubbed on the gasket.

The manual says, Use a plastic wedge to press clips on the front side of
door (along with retaining rail for front door) off the door panel.

What that translated to in my case was, ... to break clips off the front
side of the door ..., as all six broke.

So, FedEx overnight from Rusty (the nearest dealer is in Albuquerque, 100
miles and two hours to the south).

Now I see in the Installation section, Always use new clips. Not that I
had any choice ... but it would have been nicer if I could have had the
clips on hand before I started the process (silly me for thinking that
they would be re-usable like the ones on the inner door panel).

It also says,

 Note: in the ares of the clips, the sealing frame must
 be glued to the door panel with MB universal
 adhesive, part No. 000 989 92 71.

and,

 Seal front bottom corner of front door with
 Union cement.


So, my question:   will Liquid Nails Projects  Construction Adhesive
   do the jobs of these glues?


My wife would like to use the car tomorrow.


Thanks,


Craig



Re: [MBZ] OT - Sunrise in the east

2007-03-21 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:56:24 -0500 wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Yes, the sun will rise IN the East (generally to the East) tomorrow, as
 it alwasys does, but not DUE EAST (true bearing 090 degrees).  Tomorrow,
 the sun will be directly overhead at the equater - sun's subpoint on the
 equater - sun's declination = 0 degrees.  At sunrise, sun will be DUE
 EAST only for those on the equator.  For us in northern hemisphere, sun
 will rise at an angle/bearing south of (greater than) DUE EAST (090).

As I mentioned in my post, the difference between due east and what is
actually observed will only be discernable with a theodolite.


Craig



Re: [MBZ] my latest haul, a contest

2007-03-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

no 12 pack involved :)

Loren Faeth wrote:

Jeeze, Kaleb

I had $200 before you ended the contest.

At 06:48 PM 3/19/2007, you wrote:

$200 and a 12 pack



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 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Question about changing the gasket on driver's door

2007-03-21 Thread Peter Frederick
3M trim adhesive is much easier to use, and you can get it back off 
again as well!


My friend the MB mechanic told us to just cut the old clips, they NEVER 
come out intact.  You might be able to get them out from inside the 
door, but it's much easier to destroy them and get new.


Nice to know that first, though, eh?

Peter




Re: [MBZ] OT - Sunrise in the east

2007-03-21 Thread Rich Thomas

But will my sundial keep accurate time?

--R

wilton strickland wrote:

Yes, the sun will rise IN the East (generally to the East) tomorrow, as it
alwasys does, but not DUE EAST (true bearing 090 degrees).  Tomorrow, the
sun will be directly overhead at the equater - sun's subpoint on the
equater - sun's declination = 0 degrees.  At sunrise, sun will be DUE EAST
only for those on the equator.  For us in northern hemisphere, sun will rise
at an angle/bearing south of (greater than) DUE EAST (090).

Wilton


  





Re: [MBZ] Question about changing the gasket on driver's door

2007-03-21 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:51:42 -0600 Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 3M trim adhesive is much easier to use, and you can get it back off 
 again as well!

I thought I had a can, but I can't find it. The Liquid Nails is all I
have.


Craig



Re: [MBZ] Question about changing the gasket on driver's door

2007-03-21 Thread Jim Cathey

So, my question:   will Liquid Nails Projects  Construction Adhesive
   do the jobs of these glues?


Better you use nothing, until you can dig up something more
appropriate.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] Question about changing the gasket on driver's door

2007-03-21 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:32:50 -0700 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  So, my question:   will Liquid Nails Projects  Construction Adhesive
 do the jobs of these glues?
 
 Better you use nothing, until you can dig up something more
 appropriate.

So the Liquid Nails is a bad choice.

Why is that?


Craig



Re: [MBZ] The sun rises in the east tomorrow.

2007-03-21 Thread Luther
Ahh, built in anality! :)


On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:23:27 -0600, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 00:07:09 -0600 Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Oh my, someone needs to let up on the anality a bit :)

 Nah. That's what I get for being a Ph.D. physicist and having been
 interested in very accurate time for years (I used to work in a lab at
 the Jet Propulsion Lab in Pasadena where our HP cesium standards were our
 ordinary working standards because they were so much less accurate than
 our hydrogen masers).


 Craig


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Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-21 Thread Luther
Oh yes, this is done on dirt with a single 4'x8' sheet of 3/4 plywood under 
the crane.

On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:47:05 -0600, Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Luther, you made my day.

 On 3/19/07, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If I can pull an engine/tranny (done it twice now) as a unit, anyone can.  
 It's a cake walk.  :)



 On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:37:26 -0600, Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Kaleb has prolly pulled more engines than the rest of us together.
  Here's my question:
  The book says pull the engine and tranny as a unit.
  My indy (super mechanic, but not an expert on MB) thinks it be just as
  easy to pull the engine alone. He worries about splitting the tranny
  off with the whole thing hanging in mid air. Is he right? Can't the
  converter stay bolted to the engine?
 




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Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-21 Thread Luther
and keeps your white lab coat white :D

Luther

On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 19:11:21 -0600, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It takes all that pushing and shoving out of the job.

 On 3/20/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have never pulled one using a leveler, maybe I should get one.





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Re: [MBZ] Question about changing the gasket on driver's door

2007-03-21 Thread Bob Rentfro

Use the weatherstrip cement they sell at McParts if nothing eles...
Bob R

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Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Question about changing the gasket on driver's door



So, my question:   will Liquid Nails Projects  Construction Adhesive
   do the jobs of these glues?


Better you use nothing, until you can dig up something more
appropriate.

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Re: [MBZ] Question about changing the gasket on driver's door

2007-03-21 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:32:50 -0700 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  So, my question:   will Liquid Nails Projects  Construction Adhesive
 do the jobs of these glues?
 
 Better you use nothing, until you can dig up something more
 appropriate.

I went next door and asked my neighbor if he had something.

My choices are now:

- DAP Weldwood Contact Cement,

- Devcon Rubber Adhesive,

- Permatex Clear RTV Silicon Adhesive Sealant,

- Barge Original All Purpose Cement, and,

- Permatex Item #81731 80 Super Weatherstrip Adhesive.


I think the last one is the best choice. Yes, I'd rather find the can of
3M Trim Adhesive I used to have.

Maybe I should just remove the gasket and let my wife drive around without
one until I can get the right stuff.

Comments?

Thanks,


Craig



Re: [MBZ] best way to pull an engine

2007-03-21 Thread OK Don

It doesn't even keep my sneakers white ---

On 3/20/07, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

and keeps your white lab coat white :D

Luther


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Re: [MBZ] Question about changing the gasket on driver's door

2007-03-21 Thread OK Don

Uhhh---  use the last one!



Maybe I should just remove the gasket and let my wife drive around without
one until I can get the right stuff.

Comments?
Craig


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Re: [MBZ] 2-220Ds on PHX CL

2007-03-21 Thread Redghost

Dang,

I have the firearm, but . where do I store two more cars?


On Mar 20, 2007, at 5:49 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote:


Hu

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/296192549.html

Bob Rentfro
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'87 Acura Legend  183K
Goodyear, AZ
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Re: [MBZ] Question about changing the gasket on driver's door

2007-03-21 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:59:51 -0500 OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Uhhh---  use the last one!
 
  Maybe I should just remove the gasket and let my wife drive around
  without one until I can get the right stuff.
 
  Comments?

So the last one it is. I removed the gasket and will endeavor to acquire
the correct adhesive. The door closes and stays solidly latched without
the gasket.

What is the correct adhesive?

Thanks,


Craig



Re: [MBZ] Question about changing the gasket on driver's door

2007-03-21 Thread Jim Cathey

- Barge Original All Purpose Cement, and,
- Permatex Item #81731 80 Super Weatherstrip Adhesive.


I'd think either of these two would be fine choices.
The problem with Liquid Nails is getting the gasket
off _next_ time.  It'll set up as rock-hard ridge
with EPDM foam stuck to it that you'll have to take
off with a chisel.  Ideally you want something a
little less hard and tenacious.

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] Question about changing the gasket on driver's door

2007-03-21 Thread Peter Frederick

3M trim adhesive, or if you cannot find anything else, rubber cement.

Peter




Re: [MBZ] Question about changing the gasket on driver's door

2007-03-21 Thread Hendrik Riessen

I use silicone for that job, liquid nails is too powerful.

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Question about changing the gasket on driver's door



On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:51:42 -0600 Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


3M trim adhesive is much easier to use, and you can get it back off
again as well!


I thought I had a can, but I can't find it. The Liquid Nails is all I
have.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Question about changing the gasket on driver's door

2007-03-21 Thread LarryT
you asked:will Liquid Nails Projects  Construction Adhesive do the jobs 
of these glues


The LN is a fantastic adhesive but IMO it;s not right for weatherstrips.  It 
dries rock hard - I've used it as body filler in areas that don;t show and 
the door weather strips need something a little less firm.


The 3M weatherstrip available at all the FLAPS will do the trip. Available 
in black or yellow, it works fast and lasts long.


Good luck -

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To: mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 10:58 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Question about changing the gasket on driver's door



So I started Saturday to replace the driver's door gasket, which I had
ordered about 6 months ago from Rusty. The installation of the gasket in
its groove went much easier with a little glycerin rubbed on the gasket.

The manual says, Use a plastic wedge to press clips on the front side of
door (along with retaining rail for front door) off the door panel.

What that translated to in my case was, ... to break clips off the front
side of the door ..., as all six broke.

So, FedEx overnight from Rusty (the nearest dealer is in Albuquerque, 100
miles and two hours to the south).

Now I see in the Installation section, Always use new clips. Not that I
had any choice ... but it would have been nicer if I could have had the
clips on hand before I started the process (silly me for thinking that
they would be re-usable like the ones on the inner door panel).

It also says,

Note: in the ares of the clips, the sealing frame must
be glued to the door panel with MB universal
adhesive, part No. 000 989 92 71.

and,

Seal front bottom corner of front door with
Union cement.


So, my question:   will Liquid Nails Projects  Construction Adhesive
  do the jobs of these glues?


My wife would like to use the car tomorrow.


Thanks,


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Question about changing the gasket on driver's door

2007-03-21 Thread OK Don

By last one, I was referring to our list from the neighbor --

Permatex Item #81731 80 Super Weatherstrip Adhesive.
I think the last one is the best choice.

Don't make the wife drive around with wind noise from the door -

On 3/20/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:59:51 -0500 OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Uhhh---  use the last one!

  Maybe I should just remove the gasket and let my wife drive around
  without one until I can get the right stuff.
 
  Comments?

So the last one it is. I removed the gasket and will endeavor to acquire
the correct adhesive. The door closes and stays solidly latched without
the gasket.

What is the correct adhesive?

Thanks,


Craig



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Re: [MBZ] Question about changing the gasket on driver's door

2007-03-21 Thread Hendrik Riessen
You don't need a strong bond for this job, it is more to hold the plastic in 
place while the door trim gets put back on. The weaker the adhesive the 
better, a cheap silicone is ideal for this because it won't tear the plastic 
if you have to remove it again.
Also removing the residue from the door is not as big a problem as the more 
powerful adhesives.
Remember to check the bottom of the doors for rust while you got the trim 
off, usually the drain holes block up due to accumulated road grime and 
traps water.


- Original Message - 
From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Question about changing the gasket on driver's door



By last one, I was referring to our list from the neighbor --

Permatex Item #81731 80 Super Weatherstrip Adhesive.
I think the last one is the best choice.

Don't make the wife drive around with wind noise from the door -

On 3/20/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:59:51 -0500 OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Uhhh---  use the last one!

  Maybe I should just remove the gasket and let my wife drive around
  without one until I can get the right stuff.
 
  Comments?

So the last one it is. I removed the gasket and will endeavor to acquire
the correct adhesive. The door closes and stays solidly latched without
the gasket.

What is the correct adhesive?

Thanks,


Craig



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[MBZ] Daylight-saving time (DST)

2007-03-21 Thread Rich Thomas
Microsoft provides a very simple, intuitive, and easy to implement 
possible fix for the erudite politicians' meddling with clocks and time, 
maybe.  Well, I knew this is what I should do when confronted with the 
problem.


--R

http://blogs.chron.com/helpline/


   March 14, 2007


 Daylight-saving time (DST)

*Q.* My computer clock keeps resetting to the incorrect time ever since 
the change for DST happened this past weekend. Is there a way to make it 
reflect the correct time?


*A.* If you find that your Windows computer will not stay set to the 
correct time here is what I have found will fix it.


First, go to *windowsupdate.microsoft.com 
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com* and make sure you are fully 
patched. You can use the custom option if you want to exclude Internet 
Explorer 7.


Install all the patches, reboot and go back until there are no more high 
priority updates to be installed.


Once you are patched double click the clock down in the system tray. Go 
to the Time Zone tab and select any time zone other than the one you are 
in. Click apply. Then set it back to your time zone and make sure the 
check box that says Automatically adjust clock for daylight saving 
changes is checked and click apply.


You should see your system clock has now changed to the correct time.






Re: [MBZ] Question about changing the gasket on driver's door

2007-03-21 Thread andrew strasfogel

Use either a liquid yellow contact adhesive in a can, applied with a
disposable automotive brush, OR splurge for a blue can of Mercedes contact
cement, which comes with a screw top lid/brush.  Brush dement on both the
gasket and channel it fits into and allow to dry for 10 mins. Then press on
for maximum adhesive strength.



On 3/21/07, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


You don't need a strong bond for this job, it is more to hold the plastic
in
place while the door trim gets put back on. The weaker the adhesive the
better, a cheap silicone is ideal for this because it won't tear the
plastic
if you have to remove it again.
Also removing the residue from the door is not as big a problem as the
more
powerful adhesives.
Remember to check the bottom of the doors for rust while you got the trim
off, usually the drain holes block up due to accumulated road grime and
traps water.

- Original Message -
From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Question about changing the gasket on driver's door


 By last one, I was referring to our list from the neighbor --

 Permatex Item #81731 80 Super Weatherstrip Adhesive.
 I think the last one is the best choice.

 Don't make the wife drive around with wind noise from the door -

 On 3/20/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:59:51 -0500 OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Uhhh---  use the last one!
 
   Maybe I should just remove the gasket and let my wife drive around
   without one until I can get the right stuff.
  
   Comments?

 So the last one it is. I removed the gasket and will endeavor to
acquire
 the correct adhesive. The door closes and stays solidly latched without
 the gasket.

 What is the correct adhesive?

 Thanks,


 Craig


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Re: [MBZ] Question about changing the gasket on driver's door

2007-03-21 Thread Jim Cathey
cement, which comes with a screw top lid/brush.  Brush dement on both 
the
gasket and channel it fits into and allow to dry for 10 mins. Then 
press on

for maximum adhesive strength.


A nit:  you only use the glue where there is _not_ a channel, the flat
part up by the hinge.  You don't need (or want) to glue it into the
channel.  If you do, you'll never get it out again, nor will the next
gasket go in easily.  And the glue might trap water, inducing rust.

Confession: I do use excessive gluing on the Frankenheap, but that's
because the channel itself has rusted away.

-- Jim




[MBZ] OT - Sunrise in the east

2007-03-21 Thread wilton strickland
True bearing of sun discernable with theodolite OR sextant.

Properly mounted (installed) sundial is always more dependable and more
accurate than other time pieces for REAL, CELESTIAL time.  If it's mounted
properly and sun is on it,  it shows PERFECT celestial time for the
sundial's location EVERY TIME.  The time zones we have established for
ease of communication/commerce/travel are a different matter.

Wilton




Re: [MBZ] Parts Database

2007-03-21 Thread siteforum

Peter,

600 parts for ONE car? Could you post more details about the year/model
and, maybe, send me a parts list copy?

Cheers,

RSalles




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Has anyone got a parts database running for their merc parts?  I
maintain mine on Excel but its becoming a bit overwhelming with some
600parts listed I have purchased with Price history and inventory
levels. I'd be keen to hear from someone who has bought /de signed a
suitable database.
PEter






Re: [MBZ] OT - Sunrise in the east

2007-03-21 Thread Rich Thomas
I recently read an interesting book called Einstein's Clocks Poincare's 
Pendulum that is about the whole process of establishing uniform time 
in Europe and around the world.  The need started with the railroads as 
each little community had its own time (which lead to some interesting 
scheduling issues), then spread with the Empire needing to do accurate 
surveying of the domains.  The telegraph played an important role too.


--R

wilton strickland wrote:

True bearing of sun discernable with theodolite OR sextant.

Properly mounted (installed) sundial is always more dependable and more
accurate than other time pieces for REAL, CELESTIAL time.  If it's mounted
properly and sun is on it,  it shows PERFECT celestial time for the
sundial's location EVERY TIME.  The time zones we have established for
ease of communication/commerce/travel are a different matter.

Wilton

  





Re: [MBZ] CARFAX Please

2007-03-21 Thread Rory

My mom is on her second 200TQ, fantistic driver!  My son has a 5000SQ, and
daughter drives a GT Coupe both with the five and manny.  I'm looking at the
carfax car as a replacement of the 300TD for the wife.

the low mileage is especially desireable.

Thanks Kleb.

--
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Oroville, WA
1985 300SD
1982 300TD


Re: [MBZ] CARFAX Please

2007-03-21 Thread Rory

I meant to say Fantastic driver!  The first car died after she rear-ended a
tractor driving in the rain, looking for the defrost, instead of watching
the road.

I'm aware of the climate control vacuum issues, my son's car had to have the
servo replaced.

Regards,


On 3/21/07, Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


My mom is on her second 200TQ, fantistic driver!  My son has a 5000SQ, and
daughter drives a GT Coupe both with the five and manny.  I'm looking at the
carfax car as a replacement of the 300TD for the wife.

the low mileage is especially desireable.

Thanks Kleb.

--
Rory Morrison
Oroville, WA
1985 300SD
1982 300TD





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[MBZ] How to blend in

2007-03-21 Thread Zoltan Finks

Drive a W123 or W124 in the Seattle area.

Sheesh! I didn't notice this the first time I visited. I won't get to feel
special anymore driving around.

Can't even stand out by displaying a biodiesel sticker. What to do?

Brian
83 240D


Re: [MBZ] How to blend in

2007-03-21 Thread Redghost
Rattle can the finish on you car.  Then paste all sorts of oddities to 
it.  Maybe old Simms, beaney babies, AOL cds, SCSI cables, Benz 
matchbox cars.  Run a Rebel flag on the fenders, swap out the 
headlights with those from a pontiac, or put glass pacs on.



On Mar 21, 2007, at 10:22 AM, Zoltan Finks wrote:


Drive a W123 or W124 in the Seattle area.

Sheesh! I didn't notice this the first time I visited. I won't get to 
feel

special anymore driving around.

Can't even stand out by displaying a biodiesel sticker. What to do?

Brian
83 240D
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Re: [MBZ] How to blend in

2007-03-21 Thread Allan Streib
Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Drive a W123 or W124 in the Seattle area.

 Sheesh! I didn't notice this the first time I visited. I won't get
 to feel special anymore driving around.

 Can't even stand out by displaying a biodiesel sticker. What to
 do?

Put a W sticker in your back window.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1966 230



Re: [MBZ] How to blend in

2007-03-21 Thread Zoltan Finks

Nice.

Brian

On 3/21/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Drive a W123 or W124 in the Seattle area.

 Sheesh! I didn't notice this the first time I visited. I won't get
 to feel special anymore driving around.

 Can't even stand out by displaying a biodiesel sticker. What to
 do?

Put a W sticker in your back window.

Allan
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1966 230

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Re: [MBZ] How to blend in

2007-03-21 Thread Zoltan Finks

I actually did see one with the polychromatic spray paint and sticker
thing going on.

Also saw one of those oddities - the SD that has been relegated to a
life of a beater - the windows left down as vandalism would be sort of
pointless. Of course maybe the windows did not roll up.

Brian

On 3/21/07, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Rattle can the finish on you car.  Then paste all sorts of oddities to
it.  Maybe old Simms, beaney babies, AOL cds, SCSI cables, Benz
matchbox cars.  Run a Rebel flag on the fenders, swap out the
headlights with those from a pontiac, or put glass pacs on.


On Mar 21, 2007, at 10:22 AM, Zoltan Finks wrote:

 Drive a W123 or W124 in the Seattle area.

 Sheesh! I didn't notice this the first time I visited. I won't get to
 feel
 special anymore driving around.

 Can't even stand out by displaying a biodiesel sticker. What to do?

 Brian
 83 240D
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Re: [MBZ] Question about changing the gasket on driver's door

2007-03-21 Thread Hendrik Riessen
What excactly are we talking about? The plastic sheet that goes between the 
door trim and door or the rubber strip that holds the window in the channel.
Far as I know the rubber window gasket does not require any sort of adhesive 
and the only way I could get it all back together was to spread the channel, 
fit the window into the rubber/channel and then squeeze the channel back to 
standard in a vice. I did not use any sort of glue, as this would have 
turned a difficult job into a total nightmare. However the use of a sealant 
to keep out stuff can be done if so desired.
Although if I had my time over I would have gone to the wreckers and found a 
good side window to replace the one that came apart.


- Original Message - 
From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Question about changing the gasket on driver's door



cement, which comes with a screw top lid/brush.  Brush dement on both
the
gasket and channel it fits into and allow to dry for 10 mins. Then
press on
for maximum adhesive strength.


A nit:  you only use the glue where there is _not_ a channel, the flat
part up by the hinge.  You don't need (or want) to glue it into the
channel.  If you do, you'll never get it out again, nor will the next
gasket go in easily.  And the glue might trap water, inducing rust.

Confession: I do use excessive gluing on the Frankenheap, but that's
because the channel itself has rusted away.

-- Jim




[MBZ] 1982 240D - is it worth it?

2007-03-21 Thread Sunil Hari

My mechanic here has a 1982 240D with 220Kmi on the chassis, 150Kmi on the
engine that he just put in, manual tranny, body has no rust on it. He says
it's ready to roll with no mechanical issues.  Burgundy with tan Tex
interior.

Ceteris paribus, is it worth the $3000 he wants for it?  I know that value
is a highly subjective term to the listers, but please give me your honest
opinion.

More importantly, is it worth selling my current 300D (124) in order to buy
the 240D?  I know, my current ride is a better car, but I really like the
manual transmission in the benzes ...

--
Sunil Hari
1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi - for sale
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