Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software

[archer]

- Original Message - 
From: "Russ Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
.
Gerry wrote:
Hi Russ,
Could you expand on your instructions for someone who is unfamiliar with 
Linux terminology?  You wrote:

Gerry,
Try the following and see if that works.
Let me know if it does or doesn't.

1.Install current full tar.gz of martian
http://www.barrelsoutofbond.org/downloads/martian/

G: After I download to a floppy or CD on another computer, where do I go on 
Ubuntu to install it?

2.Unpack martian somewhere you can work on it
/home/user/martian or similar

G: Where on Ubuntu do I create the file "??/home/user/martian"?

3.As root go into the subdir where martian is located
and run the following:
make all
make install
then go into the subdir called scripts and run
./automate.sh
./remove_outdated.sh

G: Okay, I go to the subdirectory "??/home/user/martian".  Where in that 
subdirectory do I install the five lines of code?  After installing do I 
simply hit return?

4.Now you can delete martian it's installed

G: I guess I've used Martian as an installer and the five lines of code have 
installed Martian or something else somewhere?

5.Edit /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common
DISABLED_MODULES=”” to say
DISABLED_MODULES=”ltm” this kills the nonworking ltmodem

G: Where do I go to do this in Ubuntu?  I interpret this to mean I should 
change:   Edit /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common
DISABLED_MODULES=””   to read:  DISABLED_MODULES=”ltm

6.Edit /etc/init.d/martian
DEVICE=”/dev/ttySM0” to say
DEVICE=”/dev/modem”

G: Where do I find:   Edit /etc/init.d/martian
DEVICE=”/dev/ttySM0”  ?

I change it to read:  DEVICE=”/dev/modem”  ??

7.Now as root enter
update-rc.d martian defaults

G: Where do I go to do this in Ubuntu?
..
G: This is what I meant by "hand holding".  Those of us who don't yet know 
our way around Linux or know the terminology don't know where to go in a 
distro or what to do with this information once we get there.

Thanks,
Gerry
-
Russ W.
Tech Committee Chairman
Cajun Clickers Computer Club
http://www.clickers.org/


Gerry wrote:
> Currently I don't have anything but a distro loaded on the computer I'm
> trying to set up with Linux, so I can't use Belarc.  Heres the data from 
> the
> paperwork that came with it:
> 
> Stratitec IC56a  56K PCI internal modem  Model #IC56a
> System Requirements:  Pentium II, Celeron, Athlon, Duron 233 mhz minimum.
> Windows 98 or later, Linux 2.4 kernel or later.
> Manual V1.81 0811505
> ..
> The distro that's currently on the computer is Ubuntu 7.04.
> ..
> The Linux installation instruction for this modem say go to:
> www.stratitec.com/ic56a but that's not a working website.
>
> The instructions also say to search the 'net for information on using a
> Lucent/Agere based modem.
>
> Thanks,
> Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software

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- Original Message - 
From: "Hendrik Riessen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Linux is getting easier to use every day, there are various linux versions
> and I would not use one that is more than a few months old. Ubuntu have 
> just
> gone to version 7.10 which addresses a lot of issuessnip
-
Thanks, Hendrik.  I'll go over to my daughters and download Ubuntu 7.10  to 
DVD before trying Russ' fix.
Gerry 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software

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- Original Message - 
From: "Luther" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Buy a good USR external OR internal PCI.  They are supported.
> Luther
--
Thanks, Luther.  If I can't get this one working, that's what I'll do.
Gerry
-- 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 most people who are on the internet are not sophisticated users. 
 basically, they are using a web browser and an email client.  maybe 
 some light word processing.
>> ..
>>> Not even that much, by my observation.  A lot (most?) people who aren't 
>>> very tech-savvy just use webmail.  They often aren't even aware that 
>>> mail clients, or any internet software other than the browser, 
>>> exist---to them, the internet IS just the world inside the browser.
>>>
>>> And Google Docs ought to fill anyone's need for light word processing.
>>>
>>> Basically, 50% of home computer users would be happy with a Linux 
>>> machine
>>> that went straight into Firefox when you turned it on.  (The other half
>>> are
>>> gamers, which is a whole different issue.)
>>>
>>> Alex
>> 
>> If someone walked me through getting a Lunux distro on the 'net, I'd
>> probably be able to master an email client, browser, etc. by myself and
>> could be rid of WinXP.
>> I've tried getting  Ubuntu 7.04, PC Linus OS, Puppy Linux 2.12, Damn 
>> Small
>> Linux 3.0 rc2, Mepis 6.5, Mepis 6.0, Knoppix 5.0, Linux Mandrake 6.0, and
>> Red Hat Linux.on the 'net.  The serial modem is supposed to support
>> Linux but for some reason will not make the connection.
>> The modem works well with WinXP, so I don't think its likely to be
>> defective.
>> Gerry.Plug and play kind of guy.


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Re: [MBZ] OT Invisible Fences for Dogs

[Zoltan Finks]

Thanks, Mitch.

Well, if your cousin is open to the inquiry, I'd be interested in inquiring
of him or her. I'm all about the sharing of info.

Yes, the points you raise are potential pitfalls with these fences.
Nothing's for sure with them and most of it depends on one's having a
compliant, predictable dog. Have a "good" dog and life will be easy. Have a
dog like my current Dobie, and life is hard.

I don't believe Schnauzers are wimps, but dogs do vary all over the map
within any given breed. I bet the zap is set kind of high. Hey, seems to
work - it's probably smart.

Brian

You shared:I just remembered, my uncle's family also has electric fence at
three
houses. I can give you the email address of one of my cousins if you want
to ask more questions. AFAIK, none of the dogs in my uncle's family have
trouble with the fence. They stop just before the beeping point and yap
like crazy when I visit there. Even if I get them excited, I can't get
them to go closer than 10' to the fence. If they make a mistake and get
close enough to beep, they act like it's the end of the world and run
halfway back to the house. I suspect the collars are set strong enough
to make the dogs scared to death of the shock. (either that, or Schnauzers
are wimps)
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Re: [MBZ] OT Invisible Fences for Dogs

[Zoltan Finks]

Love it, Jim. Refreshing to see common sense dog training once in a while. I
sometimes feel like saying what that butch-haired motivational weight loss
lady said back in the 90's: "stop the insanity!". Some of these modern
methods of appeasement-based dog training make me want to defecate.

The knee to the brisket is one of the best ways to cure jumping up. The only
reason I have not employed it much with our "Dax the Devil Dog" is that he
is from hardcore Schutzhund breeding and I still hold out for the
possibility that I will train and compete in that arena with him. I don't
want to do anything to break his in-your-face spirit, or to discourage his
enjoyment of jumping at people with confidence.

Someone mentioned, also, the use of a shock collar on a remote control.
Funny that should be mentioned, as just today my resolve was doubled again
after my being embarrassed at a public beach where several other dogs were
romping:

I always used to look down on folks who stood and feebly called to their
dogs while the dogs utterly ignored them. You see, I used to have maybe 90%
verbal control of my last Dobie - "Magnum", even when he was sincerely
interested in something else. Dax on the other hand leaves me embarrassed
time and again.

I employed the use of a "throw chain" with the late, great "Magnum". Sounds
cruel, but relax. You simply use a standard choker collar and tie it in the
middle like a figure 8. You throw it at the dog when it's ignoring you at a
distance. You do not aim at the head, ideally - eye injury could result. The
throw chain technique results more in the phenomenon of the dog feeling like
you can reach him at a distance than in his being physically hurt. In the
beginning, you keep two or three of them in your pockets and you might want
to tie a brightly-colored ribbon to them to aid in your finding them on the
ground. Magnum was successfully trained with the throw chain.

I haven't tried it with Dax yet. I'm quite sure that folks around here would
not have the stomach for me even gesturing with the chain, so I haven't
pursued it much.

Shock collar is in our near future! Yes, unstomachable still by some. But oh
well. At least I can argue that many, many people in this bleeding-heart,
holier-than-thou community employ Invisible Fences - and it's the same
concept, only more controllable.

Brian

Jim intimated:I cured our dogs of mobbing you when you opened the car
door.  I just kept slamming their heads in the door until
they thought better of it.  I really _tried_, too, and
would try to sucker them in and then WHAM!  (But never
by calling them in or encouraging them, that's cruel.
Just ignored them, but was always ready on the door
handle in case they got too eager.)  It didn't take too
long, then they'd wait outside the door range, so you
could at least stand up without getting dog in the face.

At that point a knee could be ready if they jumped up.
If they always go over on their ass with a knee in the
brisket when they jump up, they stop jumping up soon.

Sit!Good dog.That's where
we are now.
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[MBZ] Where to Find Wiper for 190 replacement

[Zoltan Finks]

We purchased a Bosch wiper blade at Napa according to their look-up book.
Just tried to install it. It's about 4 inches too short.
Where do I get a correct one?

And any tips on the replacement process? I hate replacing wipers - usually a
bit confusing and tedious. 87 190D.

Brian
87 190D
83 240D
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Re: [MBZ] 190 2.2 t-stat

[Zoltan Finks]

Hey, is the thermostat located in the same place on the 2.5 Five cylinder?
Thanks
Brian

On Jan 8, 2008 4:17 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm about to replace the thermostat on my little buddy 190d 2.2 manny
> "Billy"
> won't warm up past 50c. I call him billy because he climbes like a goat,
> this
> being my first diesel (I'm hooked already) I'm amazed how hard it is to
> lug
> him down, I've done lots of t-stats on Detroit v8s right up front on top.
> when I locate this one I plan to open the drain plug down by the tow hook,
> drain the radiator of yellow juice, replace the tstat (with valve on
> top)and
> refill the reservoir. My question is vapor lock do I need to worry about
> starting up with empty radiator (full reservoir)what am I missing? Why
> does
> everything get more complicated the older I get. The more I learn the more
> I
> realize how little I know. Thnx in advance, Tony
>
> 85 190 2.2 manny 177k (Billy my fav)
> 94 lex es300 195K
> 98 explorer xlt 2x4 130k
>
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Re: [MBZ] Where to Find Wiper for 190 replacement

[pm7088]

I never cold keep any wipers on my car but those sold by Rusty.  Even Bosch 
"OEM Replacements" fron Local NAPA would fail.

Pete



-- Original message -- 
From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> We purchased a Bosch wiper blade at Napa according to their look-up book. 
> Just tried to install it. It's about 4 inches too short. 
> Where do I get a correct one? 
> 
> And any tips on the replacement process? I hate replacing wipers - usually a 
> bit confusing and tedious. 87 190D. 
> 
> Brian 
> 87 190D 
> 83 240D 
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Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance:

[LarryT]

I believe the biggest problem the military has is underpaid enisted men - 
especially those with families who find they need food stamps to get by.  I 
know that's not a fraud, waste or abuse issue but it is a large problem IMO.

It's interesting the only thing that runs reasonably well is the only one 
specifically mentioned in the Constitution "provide for a common defense"  - 
;-)  but that's another discussion.

I hope you have a great week -
Take care -

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- Original Message - 
From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance:


> How about the military? Aside from stories about $300 hammers and
> toilet seats (which I suspect were exaggerated or at least not
> widespread) it looks to do what it does rather well. The people I know
> that have been involved in it as a profession take pride in their work
> and are constantly looking to stamp out "waste, fraud and abuse".
>
> -Dave Walton
>
> On Jan 13, 2008 5:31 PM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi Dave,
>> HaHa!!   I'm about as conservative as anyone gets.  >  Had a 59
>> Beetle (our 1st car) and a 71 Beetle - would like a 67 though.  Course, 
>> when
>> I had a Beete I kept trying to make it as much like a 911 as possible. 
>> Not
>> enough hair for a pony tail I'm afraid.  Lifetime NRA member to boot. 
>> And
>> my feet are way too screwed up for sandels.
>>
>> I did note you failed to name a smoothly running Govt project -
>> ;-)
>>
>> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
>> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
>> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
>> PORSCHE POSTERS!  youroil.net
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>> .
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 7:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance:
>>
>>
>> >I thought all the anti-establishment types like you had already left for
>> >Canada?
>> > Let me guess - pony tail, Birkenstock's and a pre-1970 VW beetle?
>> >
>> > -Dave Walton
>> >
>> > On Jan 12, 2008 3:56 PM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> you asked :<>
>> >>
>> >> Based on past performance - I don't think so.  What govt organization 
>> >> is
>> >> run
>> >> smoothly, without massive fraud, corruption or public dissatisfaction?
>> >>
>> >> Social Security?
>> >> VA Hospital Sytem?
>> >> Income Tax System?
>> >> Voting?
>> >> The Census?
>> >> Public Eduation?
>> >> Postal System?  (they used to be a govt business - not sure what the
>> >> relationship is now).
>> >> Etc --
>> >>
>> >> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
>> >> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
>> >> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
>> >> PORSCHE POSTERS!  youroil.net
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>> >> .
>> >>
>> >> - Original Message -
>> >> From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> >>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:03 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Awhile back a friend of mine was in Germany when his appendix 
>> >> > started
>> >> > acting up. They got him in to a hospital before it burst, but 
>> >> > required
>> >> > that he prove he was able to pay the bill in cash before they would
>> >> > admit him. He had no health coverage that extended overseas. They 
>> >> > told
>> >> > him that they would remove it on an outpatient basis and let him 
>> >> > spend
>> >> > the night if necessary even if he could not pay, but would not give
>> >> > him the 2-day recuperation in the hospital unless he forked up the
>> >> > cash.
>> >> > He agreed. The total for the operation, anesthesia, room and board
>> >> > came to $150. That was before the Euro conversion, so it's probably
>> >> > about $300 in today's dollars.
>> >> > He said the hospital over there was as nice as anything he had seen 
>> >> > in
>> >> > the States.
>> >> >
>> >> > Some governments can do it right. Not ours?
>> >> >
>> >> > -Dave Walton
>> >> >
>> >> > On Jan 12, 2008 2:51 PM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> Hi Dave,
>> >> >> That's good.  But I really like the waay Loren explained why
>> >> >> competition
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> health care works and government controls only leads to high & 
>> >> >> higher
>> >> >> prices.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Before Health insurance - as recently as the 60s health insurance 
>> >> >> was
>> >> >> an
>> >> >> employment Perk - people went to the doctot, paid the bill and went
>> >> >> home.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> While I have been lucky in having insurance pay my health bills, I

Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software

[Curt Raymond]

Everybody says that but my 1.5Mb through Verizon is MUCH better than the 1.5Mb 
I had through Comcast.
I got the DSL when we moved into the house because Comcast wanted $100 to turn 
on the cable modem and demanded another $50 for the installer to look at my 
Linux box and shrug...

Online speed tests consistantly report 2Mb with DSL but were more ususally like 
1.0Mb with Comast. It was Comcastic...

-Curt

Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 19:59:31 -0600
From: Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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   Cable is much better than DSL, if you can get it.

At our farm, I am thrilled that verizon has lit up their wireless 
towe with HS data.  There will not be cable or DSL there for at least 
another 50 years.  SO now I know we can get wireless there

Next Question:  how can i plug a usb wireless dongle into a wireless 
access point to be able to use more than 1 computer at a time?  A usb 
to ethernet adapter?

At 06:37 PM 1/13/2008, you wrote:
>Insight just ran a cable past our house a couple weeks ago.  I'm also
>much to far away from the substation for DSL (10 miles anyway, either
>way).  My only other choice was satelite.
>
>Peter
>

   
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Re: [MBZ] y'all need to chip in and buy me this for my new family

[Rich Thomas]

You put that fam in that thing and head off on a ramble, and your kids 
will be old enough to move out of the house by the time you get there 
and back.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance:

[dave walton]

I agree 110%

-Dave Walton

On Jan 14, 2008 9:01 AM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I believe the biggest problem the military has is underpaid enisted men -
> especially those with families who find they need food stamps to get by.  I
> know that's not a fraud, waste or abuse issue but it is a large problem IMO.
>
> It's interesting the only thing that runs reasonably well is the only one
> specifically mentioned in the Constitution "provide for a common defense"  -
> ;-)  but that's another discussion.
>
> I hope you have a great week -
> Take care -
>
> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
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> .
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 8:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance:
>
>
> > How about the military? Aside from stories about $300 hammers and
> > toilet seats (which I suspect were exaggerated or at least not
> > widespread) it looks to do what it does rather well. The people I know
> > that have been involved in it as a profession take pride in their work
> > and are constantly looking to stamp out "waste, fraud and abuse".
> >
> > -Dave Walton
> >
> > On Jan 13, 2008 5:31 PM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Hi Dave,
> >> HaHa!!   I'm about as conservative as anyone gets.  >  Had a 59
> >> Beetle (our 1st car) and a 71 Beetle - would like a 67 though.  Course,
> >> when
> >> I had a Beete I kept trying to make it as much like a 911 as possible.
> >> Not
> >> enough hair for a pony tail I'm afraid.  Lifetime NRA member to boot.
> >> And
> >> my feet are way too screwed up for sandels.
> >>
> >> I did note you failed to name a smoothly running Govt project -
> >> ;-)
> >>
> >> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
> >> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
> >> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
> >> PORSCHE POSTERS!  youroil.net
> >> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
> >> .
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> >>
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 7:53 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance:
> >>
> >>
> >> >I thought all the anti-establishment types like you had already left for
> >> >Canada?
> >> > Let me guess - pony tail, Birkenstock's and a pre-1970 VW beetle?
> >> >
> >> > -Dave Walton
> >> >
> >> > On Jan 12, 2008 3:56 PM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> you asked :<>
> >> >>
> >> >> Based on past performance - I don't think so.  What govt organization
> >> >> is
> >> >> run
> >> >> smoothly, without massive fraud, corruption or public dissatisfaction?
> >> >>
> >> >> Social Security?
> >> >> VA Hospital Sytem?
> >> >> Income Tax System?
> >> >> Voting?
> >> >> The Census?
> >> >> Public Eduation?
> >> >> Postal System?  (they used to be a govt business - not sure what the
> >> >> relationship is now).
> >> >> Etc --
> >> >>
> >> >> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
> >> >> www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts
> >> >> Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil
> >> >> PORSCHE POSTERS!  youroil.net
> >> >> Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs
> >> >> .
> >> >>
> >> >> - Original Message -
> >> >> From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> >> >>
> >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 3:03 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Awhile back a friend of mine was in Germany when his appendix
> >> >> > started
> >> >> > acting up. They got him in to a hospital before it burst, but
> >> >> > required
> >> >> > that he prove he was able to pay the bill in cash before they would
> >> >> > admit him. He had no health coverage that extended overseas. They
> >> >> > told
> >> >> > him that they would remove it on an outpatient basis and let him
> >> >> > spend
> >> >> > the night if necessary even if he could not pay, but would not give
> >> >> > him the 2-day recuperation in the hospital unless he forked up the
> >> >> > cash.
> >> >> > He agreed. The total for the operation, anesthesia, room and board
> >> >> > came to $150. That was before the Euro conversion, so it's probably
> >> >> > about $300 in today's dollars.
> >> >> > He said the hospital over there was as nice as anything he had seen
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > the States.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Some governments can do it right. Not ours?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > -Dave Walton
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Jan 12, 2008 2:51 PM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >> Hi Dave,
> >> >> >> That's good.  But I really like the waay Loren explained why
> >> >> >> competition
> >> >> >> in
> >> >> >> health care works and government controls only leads t

Re: [MBZ] Where to Find Wiper for 190 replacement

[Curt Raymond]

Just the blade or the whole arm? Did you install the existing arm?
Never assume what a PO did is correct.

I nearly always replace the whole arm, its so much easier and is only a couple 
more bucks. Keep the old one as an emergency spare.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:55:39 -0800
From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ] Where to Find Wiper for 190 replacement
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Message-ID:
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We purchased a Bosch wiper blade at Napa according to their look-up
 book.
Just tried to install it. It's about 4 inches too short.
Where do I get a correct one?

And any tips on the replacement process? I hate replacing wipers -
 usually a
bit confusing and tedious. 87 190D.

Brian
87 190D
83 240D

   
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Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance:

[Curt Raymond]

Does anybody else see the irony in how long this post got?

Can we trim things please folks? My spacebar is gonna wear out.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:08:58 -0500
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I agree 110%

-Dave Walton

   
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Re: [MBZ] 190 2.2 t-stat

[Curt Raymond]

Gawd you aren't still running a bad t-stat are you?

Replace it, then purge and italian tune up and you'll think you've got a brand 
new motor!

-Curt

Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:57:11 -0800
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Hey, is the thermostat located in the same place on the 2.5 Five
 cylinder?
Thanks
Brian

   
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[MBZ] Smart Car vid/report

[Rich Thomas]

Front page of the NYTimes (I know, I know...) has a vid of the Smart Car

http://www.nytimes.com/

--R

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators

[Curt Raymond]

LOL, the 44 year old K161 in my Cub Cadet seems to have done all right

The day my buddy blew a coolant hose on his '91 Thundercat but my '70 Ski-Doo 
kept thumping he was re-thinking liquid cooled...

Of course he can go like 10x faster than my Ski-Doo but I look cooler.

-Curt

Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:51:07 -0800
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Subject: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators
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Thanks to everyone for their comments. Lots of surfing and found out
that this is a good deal with the wheel kit, electric start and free
shipping.

Prefer Honda but at 3 times the cost, I will settle for 3 or so
debicles increase in noise.

Now that comment about air cooled engines has destroyed a life long
dream to own a older 911!

Thanks again,
John (getting ready for the Big One) Freer

   
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Re: [MBZ] Where to Find Wiper for 190 replacement

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:55:39 -0800 "Zoltan Finks"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> We purchased a Bosch wiper blade at Napa according to their look-up
> book. Just tried to install it. It's about 4 inches too short.
> Where do I get a correct one?

Have you tried Rusty? (800) 741-5252


> And any tips on the replacement process? I hate replacing wipers -
> usually a bit confusing and tedious. 87 190D.

No tips there, sorry.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators

[Allan Streib]

"John Freer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Now that comment about air cooled engines has destroyed a life long
> dream to own a older 911!

Well don't let one contrary opinion spoil a dream!  Air cooled engines
have some unique cooling issues, but overall it works well and on the
plus side you don't have a water pump to fail, hoses to burst,
radiators to clog and/or leak, etc.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software

[Allan Streib]

Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Online speed tests consistantly report 2Mb with DSL but were more
> ususally like 1.0Mb with Comast. It was Comcastic...

My cable service is Insight, just acquired by Comcast.  The advertised
speed of the service is 10Mb, real-world I get about 6 at home
(download) for $30/month.  I hope Comcast doesn't go raising prices
and cutting speeds

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Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software

[Gary Hurst]

yeah, well, the raising prices thing is for sure

On Jan 14, 2008 9:57 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Online speed tests consistantly report 2Mb with DSL but were more
> > ususally like 1.0Mb with Comast. It was Comcastic...
>
> My cable service is Insight, just acquired by Comcast.  The advertised
> speed of the service is 10Mb, real-world I get about 6 at home
> (download) for $30/month.  I hope Comcast doesn't go raising prices
> and cutting speeds
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators

[Mitch Haley]

Allan Streib wrote:
> 
> "John Freer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Now that comment about air cooled engines has destroyed a life long
> > dream to own a older 911!

IIRC, the 911 isn't really air cooled. Oil cooled might be a better
description. Don't most of them have oil capacaties greater than
the water capacity of my 300SD, and large oil radiators?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators

[Allan Streib]

Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> IIRC, the 911 isn't really air cooled. Oil cooled might be a better
> description. Don't most of them have oil capacaties greater than the
> water capacity of my 300SD, and large oil radiators?

That might be -- I don't know much about Porches, but I'd be surprised
if it didn't also have fan-forced air cooling on the cylinders, pretty
easy setup on a boxer engine.

Even the VW bug engines had an oil cooler too, though, you're right.
I think that was more for keeping the oil temps under control than
actually cooling the engine though.

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Re: [MBZ] 300E 5 speed

[Gary Hurst]

plus it will need a valve job at those miles, no?

On Jan 13, 2008 10:00 PM, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> About the 16" wheels on that car, did they make those mags in 16"? I got a
> set like that on my 201 and they are 15".
>
> Hendrik
>
> - Original Message -
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>
>
> > No, I dont see how it would be more reliable.  If anything, the other
> > way around.
> >
> > Craig McCluskey wrote:
> >> On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:26:29 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-5-SPEED-1986-300E-5-SPEED-MANUAL-TRANSMISSION-WITH-UPGRADES_W0QQitemZ190190082351QQihZ009QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> >>
> >>
> >>  "The 3.0 Liter Inline 6 cylinder M103 engine (much more reliable
> >> than
> >>   the M104) ..."
> >>
> >> Is this true? How reliable is that?
> >>
> >> What kind of mileage on what kind of gasoline?
> >>
> >>
> >> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] National Health Insurance:

[Mitch Haley]

LarryT wrote:
> 
> I believe the biggest problem the military has is underpaid enisted men -
> especially those with families who find they need food stamps to get by. 

How about the guard and reserve troops who get deactivated one day short
of earning military benefits for their full time service?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software

[Mitch Haley]

Allan Streib wrote:
> I hope Comcast doesn't go raising prices
> and cutting speeds

I hope somebody sells me a AMG Hammer or a 500E for $1000. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software

[Allan Streib]

"Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> yeah, well, the raising prices thing is for sure

I'm already ticked at Insight/Comcast for not carrying the Big Ten
Network.  Unfortunately DSL is not available where I live so my only
other option right now would be to go back to dial-up.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT Invisible Fences for Dogs

[Jim Cathey]

> I just kept slamming their heads in the door until
> they thought better of it.

I should point out that in the beginning it took maybe
20+ swings of the door before I could get out with the
dogs standing back.  Maybe an extra minute or two.  But
I kept at it until they stood back, then I'd get out.
It really only took a week or two before they were
trained, with the odd refresher course thrown in as
needed.  I still fan her face from time to time when
it looks like she's pushing the boundary.

The prior situation was intolerable.  A dog dripping
with shit (we live in cow country) lunging at you
as you got out of the car in concert clothing, such
as my $1200 tux.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators

[Jim Cathey]

> Even the VW bug engines had an oil cooler too, though, you're right.
> I think that was more for keeping the oil temps under control than
> actually cooling the engine though.

You say to-may-toe, I say to-mah-toe.

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Re: [MBZ] 300E 5 speed

[Zeitgeist]

All of the forged rims like those that I've seen for sale have been 16"

On Jan 13, 2008 7:00 PM, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> About the 16" wheels on that car, did they make those mags in 16"? I got a
> set like that on my 201 and they are 15".
>
> Hendrik
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300E 5 speed
>
>
> > No, I dont see how it would be more reliable.  If anything, the other
> > way around.
> >
> > Craig McCluskey wrote:
> >> On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:26:29 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-5-SPEED-1986-300E-5-SPEED-MANUAL-TRANSMISSION-WITH-UPGRADES_W0QQitemZ190190082351QQihZ009QQcategoryZ6330QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> >>
> >>
> >>  "The 3.0 Liter Inline 6 cylinder M103 engine (much more reliable
> >> than
> >>   the M104) ..."
> >>
> >> Is this true? How reliable is that?
> >>
> >> What kind of mileage on what kind of gasoline?
> >>
> >>
> >> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software

[Curt Raymond]

2 years ago Comcast was getting $49.95/mo for 1.5Mb...

Speeds have really come up in the last year or two. Honestly though at least 
right now 1.5Mb is plenty for me.
I've even considered going down to 768k to save $10/mo...
I'm paying IIRC $29/mo for 1.5Mb.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:57:39 -0500
From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Online speed tests consistantly report 2Mb with DSL but were more
> ususally like 1.0Mb with Comast. It was Comcastic...

My cable service is Insight, just acquired by Comcast.  The advertised
speed of the service is 10Mb, real-world I get about 6 at home
(download) for $30/month.  I hope Comcast doesn't go raising prices
and cutting speeds

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators

[Allan Streib]

Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> Even the VW bug engines had an oil cooler too, though, you're right.
>> I think that was more for keeping the oil temps under control than
>> actually cooling the engine though.
>
> You say to-may-toe, I say to-mah-toe.

Huh?

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Re: [MBZ] Where to Find Wiper for 190 replacement

[Jim Cathey]

> We purchased a Bosch wiper blade at Napa according to their look-up 
> book.
> Just tried to install it. It's about 4 inches too short.
> Where do I get a correct [87 190D] one?

There are two types of wiper on a 201, the long monowiper and
the earlier double-wiper style.  No doubt the chart gave you
the short one.  You can also just measure the length of the
one you have and get the same length off the rack in the
correct back profile (shape of the rubber extrusion).

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT Invisible Fences for Dogs

[Bill]

Brian - No experience with the good systems.  I installed a cheap one that
did a good enough job until the dog got excited, then she just yelped when
she went through it.  I might also add that it was used with a chain link
fence, and she went through that also.  Any time there was a thunderstorm
[rather frequent in S. FL in the summer] I could count on her getting out.
She got out of a large dog crate [bent the substantial metal door], went
through our patio screen, and through the invisible fence and a chain link
fence [reinforced with rebar every 4']. She was simply terrified of the
noise.  I doubt any invisible system would have kept her in. After multiple
trips to the pound and one to the judge we finally just didn't look for her
the last time [$600 in reinforcing the fence, invisible fence, dog crate,
and fines].  She was 'adopted' by a family several blocks away and we were
happy to know she was found by someone who could contain her.  We had given
up.  IMHO a lot of the success depends on the dog.  Our current dog [40 lbs
heavier] would be no problem to control with an invisible fence, but we
don't even need that.
BillR
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Subject: [MBZ] OT Invisible Fences for Dogs

Okay, not that I don't have any Mercedes questions, but I'm going to jump
into the OT mix here, as we need advice from any and all who have experience
with "invisible" fences for dogs.
Since moving into this house several months ago my wife and I have been
trying to decide which route to go with our need for a containment fence for
our two dogs. We cannot afford an actual conventional fence and as such are
going this route.

We have 1.3 acres but will probably only fence in maybe .75 acres or so.

Anybody had success with the most popular company "Invisible Fence"? How
about any other companies? Around here, we have found "Invincible Fence"
(the owner of which touts his fence's capability to contain any dog), and
"Pet Stop" (about which I don't know anything).

Finally, has anyone bought and installed one themselves? I can order one
from the Drs. Foster and Smith catalog. I am very tempted to install my own,
as the cost would be something around $500. We got quoted about $2000 from
Invisible Fence today. And we got quoted about $1200 by Invincible.

Also, what are thoughts on burying the wire in wet ground? Some of our yard
is wet much of the year.

I have trained dogs to an invisible fence before, but have not owned a
system.

I guess my chief question is about the advisability of trying to purchase
and install one myself. I know I can follow the instructions, but I have
heard (from only one source) that often one gets these systems in the ground
and they just won't function.

Brian
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Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software

[Gary Hurst]

they won't carry espn deportes either here in atlanta.

On Jan 14, 2008 10:23 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > yeah, well, the raising prices thing is for sure
>
> I'm already ticked at Insight/Comcast for not carrying the Big Ten
> Network.  Unfortunately DSL is not available where I live so my only
> other option right now would be to go back to dial-up.
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Vacuum elements in a 85 300SD (126 chassis) - any oneelse been here?

[George Larribeau]

Well I got the Element out, I guess my OCD got the best of me.
The instructions were confusing at best, I guess I'm just a Dumb A** Oh well 
the pride might recover .

I got it out by going through the center vent (leavening the frame 
installed, hopefully I will never need to remove the frame, have no Idea on 
that would be accomplished) Then the rubber duct that connects the center 
vent to the heater box is carefully removed by pushing out the plastic 
rivets. Leaving just enough to get to the cover screws on the heater box. 
They must be 5.5mm don't have one of those but a 7/32 ¼ drive worked fine. 
The actuator was still hard to get off ..broke one of the vacuum switch 
valves in the process, reinstallation is going to be entertaining. Well at 
least I found the mystery light source for the fiber optic cables that go to 
the switches on the panel just above the radio. During this mess I removed 
the wood trim piece on the dash, got really lucky on that. It could use a 
little glue any way. I have also removed the speedometer to repair the 
little 2 tooth gear that shattered quite a while a go. 28K miles estimated 
by fuel logs .will order a new gear from odometergears.com I think I only 
need the one gear, the little one with 12 teeth with the brass insert. 
Wonder why they sell sets of gears .Still can not find how to replace the 
lamp for the gear shifter, would be nice to get that replaced. OBTW when the 
car is operated with the speedometer removed the other instruments are not 
grounded properly, makes the temp peg, oil pressure read real low and the 
fuel high. I did not notice it right away and was rather frightened. ( I 
temporally added a ground wire while I repair the speedometer).



If I ever get this car back to respectable condition I will always remember 
the suggestion:



>  Unplug the vacuum element, stick a golf tee or whatever in the end of the 
> tube, and use a small block of packing foam (not a peanut, the closed-cell 
> type stuff) to block the louver door open. We have the ability to close it 
> with the dash lever, which has nothing to do with the vacuum-controlled 
> flap, so why do we need both?
>
>  After hours of annoyance and frustration, THAT suggestion was a flat 
> forehead moment. Especially here in Texas, we cool far more than we heat, 
> so we tend to want the center vent open far more than closed.
>  Sunny
>





And ask my self  why do I punish my self so .

George Larribeau
Dallas Texas


1985 300SD 207K
1987 HD FLHTC 90K, Bent &2 I
1984 Motoguzzi Cal -2 80K
1972 Motoguzzi Ambassador LOTS
1965 Chevy C-10 pick up truck lots of miles 3rd small block ..(Extra
 Ugly,but runs)


1993 BMW 323i  125K (Wife's Car)
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Re: [MBZ] DSL

[RELNGSON]

> < is not available,>>
> 
Qwest says DSL limits are 14 cable miles from the C.O. but other factors can 
make it unavailable. Such as in my neighborhood. So I signed up with Comcast 
several years ago with a cable modem from Fry's and all is swell.

RLE





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Re: [MBZ] which six

[RELNGSON]

> < better but if I was gonna have a motor that I have to maintain and fix
> myself then I would choose a 103, also whilst the 104 has more power it does 
> not have that much more torque than the 103.>>
> 
My '89 2.6 M103 with 158hp (or thereabouts) had a distributor, points, CIS, 
and an exposed ignition system. My '95 2.8 M104 with 194hp had Motronic and 
therefore no points or distributor and the ignition wiring was protected from 
moisture and it had electric injectors. The plugs lasted longer but changing 
them 
was more difficult. It also had a MAF which was replaced once under warranty. 
It's hard to imagine that any of the M104's infamous headgasket and front 
cover leaks would not have been repaired long ago. Mine were fixed in the first 
year I had the C280 and did not show up again.

M104 wins.

RLE
> 
> 




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Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software

[Mitch Haley]

Allan Streib wrote:
> I'm already ticked at Insight/Comcast for not carrying the Big Ten
> Network.

I'd be ticked at the Big Ten Network for demanding:

1) that cable companies pay them over $1 per month per subscriber.

and 

2) that cable companies not put BTN in an optional premium price package. 

$1 a month for every cable subscriber in the land is a mite too greedy. 
But then again, the Big Ten schools are world famous for their greed
and stupidity. 

Mitch.

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[MBZ] Big Ten greed (was: Re: OT: New Apple operating software)

[Allan Streib]

Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I'd be ticked at the Big Ten Network for demanding:
>
> 1) that cable companies pay them over $1 per month per subscriber.
>
> and 
>
> 2) that cable companies not put BTN in an optional premium price
>package.
>
> $1 a month for every cable subscriber in the land is a mite too
> greedy.  But then again, the Big Ten schools are world famous for
> their greed and stupidity.

Well Dish Network and DirecTV were happy enough to do it, or at least
they did it whether they were happy or not.

I personally know at least 5 households that have switched from
Insight cable to satellite providers for this reason alone.

Now instead of watching football and basketball games I get to watch
whiny ads from Insight complaining about the "greed" of the Big Ten.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] air und oel

[RELNGSON]

> < description. Don't most of them have oil capacaties greater than
> the water capacity of my 300SD, and large oil radiators?>>
> 
That is a valid theory but try removing the fanbelt and see what happens.

RLE/ Five aircooled and one watercooled Porsche. And four VWs. 
> 
> 




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Re: [MBZ] Vacuum elements in a 85 300SD (126 chassis) - any oneelse been here?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On 1/14/08, George Larribeau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  Leaving just enough to get to the cover screws on the heater box.
> They must be 5.5mm don't have one of those but a 7/32 ¼ drive worked fine.
>


Congrats on the successful job.  I realize it's too late to help, but FWIW
Harbor Freight sells a set of T-handle metric hex drivers that includes a
5.5 mm one for $10 or so.  I remember being surprised to see a "fractional"
size included in the set when I bought it, but I was sure happy to have it
when I had to pull the center vent on the 124.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.
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Re: [MBZ] wipers

[RELNGSON]

> < double-wiper style.>
> 
Nope. The '84 and '85 (before 2/85) had a non-extending single arm/blade and 
after that the extending arm appeared. That's also when many mecahnical 
changes were made plus 15" wheels were installed. I had an '85, as reliable as 
a 
five-dollar atomic bomb. And the AC was poor until the quiet recall.

RLE
>  
> 




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[MBZ] Kinda OT: Why does frost/dew not form under carports?

[John Robbins]

I have a two car carport (open on 3 sides), and dew/frost have never 
formed on anything parked under there.  I also have cars parked on the 
side of the house and they get covered in it (very annoying this time of 
year).  Anybody have an idea?

Thanks!
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Re: [MBZ] Kinda OT: Why does frost/dew not form under carports?

[PM7088]

Buy an Ice Scrapper?

I moved 6" of wet snow off my car and out the driveway this morning.

What did you say was anoying?

Pete

-- Original message -- 
From: John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> I have a two car carport (open on 3 sides), and dew/frost have never 
> formed on anything parked under there. I also have cars parked on the 
> side of the house and they get covered in it (very annoying this time of 
> year). Anybody have an idea? 
> 
> Thanks! 
> John 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software

[Gary Hurst]

plus they are an embarrassment in the world of athletic competition.  i'd
suggest that they drop a division in footballs, but we've already seen this
year that they can't win there either.

On Jan 14, 2008 1:26 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Allan Streib wrote:
> > I'm already ticked at Insight/Comcast for not carrying the Big Ten
> > Network.
>
> I'd be ticked at the Big Ten Network for demanding:
>
> 1) that cable companies pay them over $1 per month per subscriber.
>
> and
>
> 2) that cable companies not put BTN in an optional premium price package.
>
> $1 a month for every cable subscriber in the land is a mite too greedy.
> But then again, the Big Ten schools are world famous for their greed
> and stupidity.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Kinda OT: Why does frost/dew not form under carports?

[Harry Watkins]

Its gravity making the sky fall and it stops on the roof.

Harry

On Jan 14, 2008 1:41 PM, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Buy an Ice Scrapper?
> >
> > I moved 6" of wet snow off my car and out the driveway this morning.
> >
> > What did you say was anoying?
>
>
> So I'm a wimp I'm still curious as to why it happens though.
>
> John
>
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Re: [MBZ] Kinda OT: Why does frost/dew not form under carports?

[John Robbins]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Buy an Ice Scrapper?
> 
> I moved 6" of wet snow off my car and out the driveway this morning.
> 
> What did you say was anoying?


So I'm a wimp I'm still curious as to why it happens though.

John


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Re: [MBZ] air und oel

[Tom Hargrave]

You'll find out in a hurry that they are air cooled.

Thanks, Tom
256-656-1924

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> < description. Don't most of them have oil capacaties greater than
> the water capacity of my 300SD, and large oil radiators?>>
> 
That is a valid theory but try removing the fanbelt and see what
happens.

RLE/ Five aircooled and one watercooled Porsche. And four VWs. 
> 
> 




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Re: [MBZ] Kinda OT: Why does frost/dew not form under carports?

[OK Don]

"Black Body Radiation" (or absorption in this case) from the sky -
that big black void up there, sucking all the heat out of what ever
can see it. Therefore, the car in the open has colder glass
(frost/dew) vs. the car under the cover (no frost/dew).


>
> So I'm a wimp I'm still curious as to why it happens though.
>

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[MBZ] OT: NOW I have a Linux ISO

[jgiels]

Alright I d/l'd the Linux ISO now what? I have the chksum part too! 

I will be looking in google for something while I await replies. 

thanks
Douglas
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Re: [MBZ] OT: NOW I have a Linux ISO

[Wonko the Sane]

Burn it to CD -- and be sure to burn an ISO, not just copy the data file to
CD. Then configure BIOS (as needed) to boot off of the CD, reboot computer,
boot off of the CD, and enjoy the experience. ... You didn download a
live-CD distro, didn't you?


On Jan 14, 2008 3:21 PM, jgiels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Alright I d/l'd the Linux ISO now what? I have the chksum part too!
>
> I will be looking in google for something while I await replies.
>
> thanks
> Douglas
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators

[Allan Streib]

Yes, clearly the oil has to be cooled.  However given the size of the
oil cooler and the rate of flow of the oil and the size of the oil
galleys etc. I don't think it would have much of a cooling effect on
the engine itself.  Some, but not much.

I was specifically saying "Huh?" to the to-may-toe, to-mah-toe.  I did
not understand what that meant in this context.

Allan
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1966 230


LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Uh, maybe because the oil was part of the means for cooling the
> engine?
>
> 
>
> Absolutely.  If the oil wasn't cooled, it would turn into a watery
> sludge in a matter of minutes - that is, if the engine didn't fail
> first from the tremendous heat load in the various components.
>
> Dan
>
>  
> --- Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> 
>> >> Even the VW bug engines had an oil cooler too, though, you're
>> >> right.  I think that was more for keeping the oil temps under
>> >> control than actually cooling the engine though.
>> >
>> > You say to-may-toe, I say to-mah-toe.
>> 
>> Huh?
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators

[LWB250]

Uh, maybe because the oil was part of the means for
cooling the engine?



Absolutely.  If the oil wasn't cooled, it would turn
into a watery sludge in a matter of minutes - that is,
if the engine didn't fail first from the tremendous
heat load in the various components.

Dan

 
--- Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> >> Even the VW bug engines had an oil cooler too,
> though, you're right.
> >> I think that was more for keeping the oil temps
> under control than
> >> actually cooling the engine though.
> >
> > You say to-may-toe, I say to-mah-toe.
> 
> Huh?
> 
> >
> > -- Jim
> >
> >



  

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Re: [MBZ] OT: NOW I have a Linux ISO

[John Robbins]

Might I suggest "burnatonce" as a good windows program to burn an ISO 
file.

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> Burn it to CD -- and be sure to burn an ISO, not just copy the data file to
> CD. Then configure BIOS (as needed) to boot off of the CD, reboot computer,
> boot off of the CD, and enjoy the experience. ... You didn download a
> live-CD distro, didn't you?
> 
> 
> On Jan 14, 2008 3:21 PM, jgiels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Alright I d/l'd the Linux ISO now what? I have the chksum part too!
>>
>> I will be looking in google for something while I await replies.
>>
>> thanks
>> Douglas
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Re: [MBZ] Kinda OT: Why does frost/dew not form under carports?

[John Robbins]

OK Don wrote:
> "Black Body Radiation" (or absorption in this case) from the sky -
> that big black void up there, sucking all the heat out of what ever
> can see it. Therefore, the car in the open has colder glass
> (frost/dew) vs. the car under the cover (no frost/dew).

Makes perfect sense!  Thanks! :)


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[MBZ] OT: Now I have a Linux Iso

[jgiels]

I think it was Simply Mepis 7.1 32 something. I am going to put it on a 20 gig 
hard drive. So is it live I don't know it was 677Megs

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[MBZ] OT: Now I have Linux Mepis

[jgiels]

I got it to run on the CD though I do not really see what to click on to 
install it on the Hard drive.

Do I need to format the hard drive first? 

Douglas

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now I have Linux Mepis

[Kaleb C. Striplin, work]

Why dont you post this in the Linux list?

http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/linux_okiebenz.com

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Subject: [MBZ] OT: Now I have Linux Mepis


>I got it to run on the CD though I do not really see what to click on to 
>install it on the Hard drive.
>
> Do I need to format the hard drive first?
>
> Douglas
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Re: [MBZ] Where to Find Wiper for 190 replacement

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Jan 14, 2008 3:10 PM, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm a fan of replacing the whole blade assembly as someone else pointed
> out.
> The tension goes out of them over time and they don't work as well. For a
> few bucks it's a great safety item.


For the same reason, change out the springs under the monowiper arm if
they're original.  In my experience after 20+ years a new one has a lot more
tension and holds the wiper much more snugly against the glass.

Alex Chamberlain
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[MBZ] Cut and polish and it will be good as new

[Hendrik Riessen]

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/190-SL-MERCEDES_W0QQitemZ300190451310QQihZ020QQcategoryZ101895QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
At least the steering wheel is on the correct side for the US et al 

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Re: [MBZ] Where to Find Wiper for 190 replacement

[Hendrik Riessen]

I'm a fan of replacing the whole blade assembly as someone else pointed out. 
The tension goes out of them over time and they don't work as well. For a 
few bucks it's a great safety item. Nothing worse than driving with smears 
all over the window. Also put a bit of windshield wiper detergent into the 
reservoir to help clean the windshield.
123 wiper blades and assemblies are no problem and can be bought anywhere 
but I think only MB had the big mono wipers.

Hendrik

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Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 2:01 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Where to Find Wiper for 190 replacement


>> We purchased a Bosch wiper blade at Napa according to their look-up
>> book.
>> Just tried to install it. It's about 4 inches too short.
>> Where do I get a correct [87 190D] one?
>
> There are two types of wiper on a 201, the long monowiper and
> the earlier double-wiper style.  No doubt the chart gave you
> the short one.  You can also just measure the length of the
> one you have and get the same length off the rack in the
> correct back profile (shape of the rubber extrusion).
>
> -- Jim
>

>
> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now I have Linux Mepis

[Robert Rentfro]

If I went to that list it would be like being punted back in time sitting
next to Jesus as he spoke Aramaic to his peeps. I would understand nearly
nada.

Bob R.

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>I got it to run on the CD though I do not really see what to click on to 
>install it on the Hard drive.
>
> Do I need to format the hard drive first?
>
> Douglas
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now I have a Linux Iso

[Mitch Haley]

jgiels wrote:
> 
> I think it was Simply Mepis 7.1 32 something. I am going to put it on a 20 
> gig hard drive. 

I'm wondering about copying a Linux boot CD to a 2gb usb flashdrive and setting
the computer to boot off USB. I used to have a Zenith Minisport laptop that
had DOS on a ROM chip inside it. That computer would boot in 15 seconds or less,
and it was only a NEC V70 CPU, I think it was 8 mhz. Worked fine for word
processing and minor spreadsheet work, I'd still be using it today if it
hadn't died on me.

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Re: [MBZ] 190 2.2 t-stat

[Peter Frederick]

Same place on all the 60x engines.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now I have a Linux Iso

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Jan 14, 2008 3:27 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I used to have a Zenith Minisport laptop that
> had DOS on a ROM chip inside it. That computer would boot in 15 seconds or
> less,
> and it was only a NEC V70 CPU, I think it was 8 mhz. Worked fine for word
> processing and minor spreadsheet work, I'd still be using it today if it
> hadn't died on me.


I've seen those at thrift stores.  They never have the external floppy
drive, though, so any document you want to get out of them, after you create
it on the plane or whatever, has to go through the serial port at 9600 bps.
The same issue keeps me from using my old Tandy 100 as often as I could (and
it boots in less than a second---take that!).

Alex Chamberlain
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Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software

[Redghost]

Price may rise, but so will speeds if your town is getting FIOS or a  
close by town is.  Seattle is boosting cable modem speeds by a factor  
of ten to compete with FiOS coming to Redmond and other suburban towns.

PDX is also upgrading speeds because Verizon is offering FIOS to  
suburban cities, along with TV.

clay

On 14 Jan 2008, at 07:09, Gary Hurst wrote:

> yeah, well, the raising prices thing is for sure
>
> On Jan 14, 2008 9:57 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>> Online speed tests consistantly report 2Mb with DSL but were more
>>> ususally like 1.0Mb with Comast. It was Comcastic...
>>
>> My cable service is Insight, just acquired by Comcast.  The  
>> advertised
>> speed of the service is 10Mb, real-world I get about 6 at home
>> (download) for $30/month.  I hope Comcast doesn't go raising prices
>> and cutting speeds
>>
>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] which six

[Hendrik Riessen]

So if one of the motronic computers goes south it'll be cheap to replace?
Did the wiring harne$$ go bad on you or the next owner.
I think just about everyone on this list would prefer the maintenance/repair 
cost of a CIS/E M103 over the motronic M104. A lot of indies are capable of 
fixing a KE but some just don't have the equipment to handle the motronic, 
this limit's your repair options.
Also I do not believe that your 89 had points, from memory MB did away with 
points in the 70's and what do you mean by exposed ignition, in good shape 
the KE ignition system can withstand a lot of wetness perhaps not as much as 
the motronic but if the wiring loom is crumbling in the motronic you are 
gonna be in trouble with moisture. Also what is different about the spark 
plug boot on the motronic? This is one area where just about every petrol 
powered car has an achilles heel in regards to moisture. I know some have a 
cover built into the boot that shuts off the hole where the spark plug sits, 
the M110 should have had that.
Nobody is disputing that the 104 has more power but the torque figures are 
not quite as impressive and that's the thing about the 24 valve motor, it 
really only craps on the 12v motor at higher revs and in everyday driving 
you don't really get in the powerband. Sure if you are a bit of a leadfoot 
then the 24v motor is better but as an everyday workhorse the 103 wins in my 
opinion.
What about fuel consumption between the 2.6 and 2.8, given that the 2.8 has 
electronic fuel injection it should have been a bit better on the juice.

Hendrik

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>> <> be
>> better but if I was gonna have a motor that I have to maintain and fix
>> myself then I would choose a 103, also whilst the 104 has more power it 
>> does
>> not have that much more torque than the 103.>>
>>
> My '89 2.6 M103 with 158hp (or thereabouts) had a distributor, points, 
> CIS,
> and an exposed ignition system. My '95 2.8 M104 with 194hp had Motronic 
> and
> therefore no points or distributor and the ignition wiring was protected 
> from
> moisture and it had electric injectors. The plugs lasted longer but 
> changing them
> was more difficult. It also had a MAF which was replaced once under 
> warranty.
> It's hard to imagine that any of the M104's infamous headgasket and front
> cover leaks would not have been repaired long ago. Mine were fixed in the 
> first
> year I had the C280 and did not show up again.
>
> M104 wins.
>
> RLE
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Kinda OT: Why does frost/dew not form under carports?

[Peter Frederick]

They don't cool of by radiation faster than the air cools, which is  
why dew and frost form on things.

The cover traps the heat and reflects it down, so the cars cool off  
more slowly that the air.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] air und oel

[Hendrik Riessen]

Technically the oil in every motor (except small two stroke) helps to 
disapate the heat or in other words take the heat from a hot spot and spread 
it around a bit.
Think oil jets under the pistons of turboed MB Diesels.
Some air cooled motors do not have a fan to blow air around the fins ie. 
small stationary motors, some motorbikes.
As a side note, Deutz used to have trouble with their air cooled Diesel 
engines in trucks because they would get hot as hell going up a hill and 
then once over the top would cool down too quickly and crack the heads.

Hendrik
with a couple of air cooled engines

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Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] air und oel


> You'll find out in a hurry that they are air cooled.
>
> Thanks, Tom
> 256-656-1924
>
> -Original Message-
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> To: "mercedes@okiebenz.com" 
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] air und oel
>
>> <> description. Don't most of them have oil capacaties greater than
>> the water capacity of my 300SD, and large oil radiators?>>
>>
> That is a valid theory but try removing the fanbelt and see what
> happens.
>
> RLE/ Five aircooled and one watercooled Porsche. And four VWs.
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: NOW I have a Linux ISO

[Luther]

or CDBurnerXP.  Freeware.  http://cdburnerxp.se/
Now you need to join the Linux list.  
http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/linux_okiebenz.com

Luther

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:30:19 -0600, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Might I suggest "burnatonce" as a good windows program to burn an ISO
> file.
>
> Wonko the Sane wrote:
>> Burn it to CD -- and be sure to burn an ISO, not just copy the data file to
>> CD. Then configure BIOS (as needed) to boot off of the CD, reboot computer,
>> boot off of the CD, and enjoy the experience. ... You didn download a
>> live-CD distro, didn't you?
>>
>>
>> On Jan 14, 2008 3:21 PM, jgiels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Alright I d/l'd the Linux ISO now what? I have the chksum part too!
>>>
>>> I will be looking in google for something while I await replies.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> Douglas

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now I have Linux Mepis

[Luther]

Haha, we speak common language there.

Luther

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:20:58 -0600, Robert Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If I went to that list it would be like being punted back in time sitting
> next to Jesus as he spoke Aramaic to his peeps. I would understand nearly
> nada.
>
> Bob R.
>
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>
> Why dont you post this in the Linux list?
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: NOW I have a Linux ISO

[Wonko the Sane]

Oxymoron?

On Jan 14, 2008 3:30 PM, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> a good windows program
>



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[MBZ] 911 flat six temp control

[RELNGSON]

<>



Absolutely.  If the oil wasn't cooled, it would turn into a watery sludge in 
a matter of minutes - that is, if the engine didn't fail first from the 
tremendous heat load in the various components. .Dan
> 
> < cooler and the rate of flow of the oil and the size of the oil galleys etc. I 
> don't think it would have much of a cooling effect on
> the engine itself.  Some, but not much.>>
> 
First of all, the engine's primary cooling is air provided by the cooling fan 
over the ribbed cylinders. Quoting from an early 911 shop manual, at redline 
the fan sends 1100 cfs into the cooling shroud. The engines have a sizable oil 
cooler mounted on the right front corner of the case which does not come into 
play until the oil temp reaches 170deg at which time the thermostat opens, 
sending oil into it. Oil temp will continue to rise until equilibrium is 
reached 
at about 210deg which is considered normal for the lower displacement 
engines. Later higher powered versions have an OE front cooler with it's own 
external 
thermostat which sends oil forward to the cooler forward of the right front 
wheel. Owners of track driven 911s very commonly install aftermarket front 
coolers which are very effective. Early 911 Turbos, still on dino oil, could 
reach 
oil temps of 250 deg and above (idling in downtown Phoenix traffic at high 
noon) and the experts used to advise, either get it moving to drop the oil temp 
or shut it down.

All aircooled 911s have dry sump engines with the oil carried in a tank in 
the right rear (more oversteer weight) which in the beginning (1965) carried 
about ten quarts while the last of the aircooled engine cars carried more, not 
including what was in the front cooler and it's supply lines. I have heard 
numbers around fifteen quarts but don't quote me. The larger displacement 
engines, 
some turbocharged, produce considerably more heat and the oil plays a very 
large part in cooling. Synthetics have been the norm since 1988, first Shell 
and 
now Mobil 1 0W40, even in the Carrera GT which is water cooled.

Cooling is now well controlled and even a 997 Turbo could trickle through Las 
Vegas traffic in summertime with no thought given to engine temps.

RLE
> 
> 




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now I have Linux Mepis

[Wonko the Sane]

It might be of utility if you told us WHICH Linux program you downloaded.

Saying "I downloaded Linux, now what" is like saying "I bought a car and
wonder ..." Helps to at least know the model.

And yes, come on over to the Linux list. Much more help there.

On Jan 14, 2008 4:51 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I got it to run on the CD though I do not really see what to click on to
> install it on the Hard drive.
>
> Do I need to format the hard drive first?
>
> Douglas
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now I have Linux Mepis

[Luther]

Pay attention old fart.  He sent it a few emails back.  Mepis 7.1

Luther

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:50:43 -0600, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It might be of utility if you told us WHICH Linux program you downloaded.
>
> Saying "I downloaded Linux, now what" is like saying "I bought a car and
> wonder ..." Helps to at least know the model.
>
> And yes, come on over to the Linux list. Much more help there.
>
> On Jan 14, 2008 4:51 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I got it to run on the CD though I do not really see what to click on to
>> install it on the Hard drive.
>>
>> Do I need to format the hard drive first?
>>
>> Douglas
>>
>
>



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Re: [MBZ] Kinda OT: Why does frost/dew not form under carports?

[Curt Raymond]

P 14" here in central MA... I got about 10 miles into my 55 mile commute 
before I said "screw it".

-Curt

Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:28:50 +
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 carports?
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Buy an Ice Scrapper?

I moved 6" of wet snow off my car and out the driveway this morning.

What did you say was anoying?

Pete

-- Original message -- 
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> I have a two car carport (open on 3 sides), and dew/frost have never 
> formed on anything parked under there. I also have cars parked on the
 
> side of the house and they get covered in it (very annoying this time
 of 
> year). Anybody have an idea? 
> 
> Thanks! 
> John 
> 

   
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Re: [MBZ] Kinda OT: Why does frost/dew not form under carports?

[Jim Cathey]

> I have a two car carport (open on 3 sides), and dew/frost have never
> formed on anything parked under there.  I also have cars parked on the
> side of the house and they get covered in it (very annoying this time 
> of
> year).  Anybody have an idea?

Black body radiation indeed.  The temperature of the night
sky is some ridiculous low number like 7 degrees Kelvin, or
around minus 270 degrees C.  Radiative heat loss is proportional
to some power of the difference in temperatures that 'see'
each other.  Relatively warm air temperatures restore heat
via convection, so things don't get too far out of hand, but
for that surface film of moisture on glass and paint, it freezes.
(Or condenses in the first place.)

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Hendrik never gives up

[RELNGSON]

> <
> >
> 
There is one DME unit and in my experience is very reliable. Used ones should 
be all over the place. BMW and Porsche introduced Motronic in 1983 in the US 
market and the unit in my 24+ year old 944 has never failed. Even the infamous 
DME/fuel pump relay is original. I carry a spare.

> <>
> 
Not in the six years I owned the W202. Could have failed later.

> < maintenance/repair cost of a CIS/E M103 over the motronic M104. A lot of 
> indies are capable 
> of
> fixing a KE but some just don't have the equipment to handle the motronic, 
> this limit's your repair options.>>
> 
So after 25 years of use, you say the independents can't fix them? Not in the 
US where tens of thousands of Motronic cars (many more, probably) have been 
sold of all makes. Fact is, the independants are the main source of repairs 
since a lot of dealers don't want to see a car that they can't plug in to pull 
the fault codes.
> 
> <>

The '89 had a cap and rotor which had to be changed twice during my ownership 
because of burnt components. Thinking about it, it may not have had points 
which means it had a crankshaft postion sensor. The M104's plugs, coils (3) and 
ignition harness, between the camshafts, were covered by a gasketed bolt down 
water proof cover.

<>

The M103s plug boots were a SOB to pull off without damage and even though 
the M104s were covered, getting the boots off was far from easy.

<>

Very little difference in real world day-to-day fuel consumption. Hell, my 
'78 300Ds town mileage was about 21mpg and the 4 and 6 cylinder 201s were only 
about 1mpg less. The M112 C320 hovered around 19-20mpg and the '08 C300 does 
19mpg. Which is damned good considering it's weight and horsepower, 228.

My opinion of which six is based on which compnents are likely to fail 
earlier than the other and what has been engineered out and I maintain the M104 
is 
better. Not as good as the V-6s, you undersatnd.

RLE
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 911 flat six temp control - Jacob R755

[OK Don]

The round 7 air cooled engine in My Dad's Cessna 195 came with an oil
cooler mounted between cylinders 5 and 6. It wasn't enough to keep the
temps in operating range in the OK summers, and had to be blocked off
completely to get the oil temp up into operating range in the winters
(flying to MN). So, we added another one between cylinders 3 and 4,
with a manually controlled butterfly valve to control the airflow
through it. We then could easily keep the oil temp where it belonged,
using both coolers in the summer, and blocking the original one in the
winter. Yes - you could watch the cylinder head temp vary with the oil
temp, though the mixture had more effect on managing it.
This engine used straight 50w oil - though I suspect that they are
using synthetics by now. The oil tank capacity was 5 gallons, and was
under the instrument panel in the cabin (wrapped in carpet). If it was
much below 0F, we had to turn on the Bendix gasoline cabin heater -
full blast - to get the oil warm enough to start the engine.

Real airplanes have round engines and tail wheels.

I used to think of Porsches as wannabe formula one airplanes. I don't
think much about either one now ---


> First of all, the engine's primary cooling is air provided by the cooling fan
> over the ribbed cylinders. Quoting from an early 911 shop manual, at redline
> the fan sends 1100 cfs into the cooling shroud. The engines have a sizable oil
> cooler mounted on the right front corner of the case which does not come into
> play until the oil temp reaches 170deg at which time the thermostat opens,
> sending oil into it. Oil temp will continue to rise until equilibrium is 
> reached
> at about 210deg which is considered normal for the lower displacement
> engines. Later higher powered versions have an OE front cooler with it's own 
> external
> thermostat which sends oil forward to the cooler forward of the right front
> wheel. Owners of track driven 911s very commonly install aftermarket front
> coolers which are very effective. Early 911 Turbos, still on dino oil, could 
> reach
> oil temps of 250 deg and above (idling in downtown Phoenix traffic at high
> noon) and the experts used to advise, either get it moving to drop the oil 
> temp
> or shut it down.
>
> All aircooled 911s have dry sump engines with the oil carried in a tank in
> the right rear (more oversteer weight) which in the beginning (1965) carried
> about ten quarts while the last of the aircooled engine cars carried more, not
> including what was in the front cooler and it's supply lines. I have heard
> numbers around fifteen quarts but don't quote me. The larger displacement 
> engines,
> some turbocharged, produce considerably more heat and the oil plays a very
> large part in cooling. Synthetics have been the norm since 1988, first Shell 
> and
> now Mobil 1 0W40, even in the Carrera GT which is water cooled.
>
> Cooling is now well controlled and even a 997 Turbo could trickle through Las
> Vegas traffic in summertime with no thought given to engine temps.
>
> RLE
> >


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Re: [MBZ] Kinda OT: Why does frost/dew not form under carports?

[Peter Frederick]

We only got about half an inch last night, but it was 31 degrees this  
morning with heavy cloud, just the right temp for it to turn to ice  
when driven on.  Took my brother more than a hour to go 10 miles to  
take the kids to school.  Took me an extra half hour or more to get  
to work, everything was terribly slick until the country trucks got  
salt on it.

I'll take cold snow any time over damp ice!

Peter


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[MBZ] OT: Air cooling

[Curt Raymond]

So I stuck up for aircooling this morning, then after lunch the wife and I took 
a snowmobile ride. My '81 Arctic Cat El Tigre 5000 is whats known as a "free 
air" engine which means theres no fan, its cooled by outside air passing over 
the fins by the sled moving. Lots of '70s and early '80s performance sleds used 
it. It works good as long as its relatively cold out (below freezing say) and 
you stay moving. Its ALOT lighter than a liquid cooled machine which makes the 
sled alot more nimble which I like.

However the snow we got last night is powdery but still sticky and as I was the 
trailbreaker it kept plugging up in the air opening at the front of the sled. 
 I'd find this out when the sled would bog... Shut 'er down, clear the vent, 
wait a few minutes, resume travel.
My wife on the liquid cooled Polaris had none of these troubles... Although her 
machine decided twice that it just wanted to quit. No explanation on that one.

-Curt

   
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators

[Jim Cathey]

> I was specifically saying "Huh?" to the to-may-toe, to-mah-toe.  I did
> not understand what that meant in this context.

I meant that the heat in the oil had to come from
somewhere, and its disappearance indicated that the
engine was (at least partially) oil-cooled.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Cooling the pistons

[RELNGSON]

> < disapate the heat or in other words take the heat from a hot spot and spread 
> it 
> around a bit. Think oil jets under the pistons of turboed MB Diesels.>>
> 
In 1978.

The 1976 Porsche 911 Turbo had cast in cross passages in the piston crowns 
which the oil jets below squirted oil through. 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: New Apple operating software

[LWB250]

Right now we're in the heat of battle between Verizon
(FIOS) and BrightHouse (TimeWarner) for
phone/cable/Internet.  BH cranked up speeds as soon as
FIOS started to come out, but they didn't do anything
price-wise, nor will they haggle if you threaten to
bail.  Their big thing is making everyone a
month-to-month customer, as opposed to Verizon's 12 or
24 month contract.

I'm with BH right now, mainly because I get a discount
as a university student.  However, that will end soon,
since I graduated in December.  Once that happens,
I'll roll over to Verizon, mainly because their
package deals that wrap TV, Internet, home and
wireless phones end up being cheaper than the separate
items and BH.

I think the biggest dealbreaker is BH's insistence
that you buy their bundle with unlimited phone
service, which has little or no value to us, as the
only long distance calls we make are done with our
cell phones, since our out of town family members are
all on Verizon.

This means we have to get boxes for all our TVs, but
in the long run it's a better deal.

Dan


--- Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Price may rise, but so will speeds if your town is
> getting FIOS or a  
> close by town is.  Seattle is boosting cable modem
> speeds by a factor  
> of ten to compete with FiOS coming to Redmond and
> other suburban towns.
> 
> PDX is also upgrading speeds because Verizon is
> offering FIOS to  
> suburban cities, along with TV.
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Re: [MBZ] Cooling the pistons

[LWB250]

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The 1976 Porsche 911 Turbo had cast in cross
> passages in the piston crowns 
> which the oil jets below squirted oil through. 
> 
> RLE


Not unlike the oil jets in a lot of diesels that spray
on the bottom of the pistons for cooling.

Dan




  

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Re: [MBZ] Hendrik never gives up, which is learnt from Roger

[Hendrik Riessen]

Well I think there is plenty of info to say the original question has been 
answered.
Far as the you beaut MB V6 goes, the new Toyota quad cam V6 is much the 
same.
200kw/268hp
10L/100K's or 23.5mpg
although it is a 3.5 litre and the MB V6 3.5 also puts out 200kw but uses a 
little bit less fuel.
Although we dn't get the 3 or 3.5litre over here but only the 2.2 and 2.8 
and a Diesel.

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hendrik never gives up


> about 1mpg less. The M112 C320 hovered around 19-20mpg and the '08 C300 
> does
> 19mpg. Which is damned good considering it's weight and horsepower, 228.
>
> My opinion of which six is based on which compnents are likely to fail
> earlier than the other and what has been engineered out and I maintain the 
> M104 is
> better. Not as good as the V-6s, you undersatnd.
>
> RLE

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators

[Kevin Kraly]

you don't have a water pump to fail, hoses to burst,
radiators to clog and/or leak, etc.

As in the case of the Corvair, KEEP THAT FAN TURNIN'!  We drove that car on 
the hottest of days (well over 100F) with no problem.  An old air-cooled 911 
would be quite fun too.  A friend of mine had a '75, not sure if it was air 
or water-cooled.  He also had a W116 '74 450SEL which was quite a nice car 
in 1989.

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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Re: [MBZ] 190 2.2 t-stat

[Zoltan Finks]

Yeah, procrastination is a strong suit of mine. Especially when I'm not
certain how to proceed.
Brian

On Jan 14, 2008 6:19 AM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Gawd you aren't still running a bad t-stat are you?
>
> Replace it, then purge and italian tune up and you'll think you've got a
> brand new motor!
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:57:11 -0800
> From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190 2.2 t-stat
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hey, is the thermostat located in the same place on the 2.5 Five
>  cylinder?
> Thanks
> Brian
>
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Re: [MBZ] y'all need to chip in and buy me this for my new family

[Kevin Kraly]

your kids will be old enough to move out of the house by the time you get 
there and back.

That's how it would be with a Sprinter towing a 21' boat across the country. 
When not towing a boat, it's the best choice for a people mover since it 
WILL get at least 22mpg average when fully loaded.

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators

[LWB250]

I had a retired teacher that lived next door to me,
and she had a beautiful early model Corvair.  People
were always trying to buy it off of her (and this was
in the late 70s.)

I was always amazed by the right angle belt drive

Dan


--- Kevin Kraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> you don't have a water pump to fail, hoses to burst,
> radiators to clog and/or leak, etc.
> 
> As in the case of the Corvair, KEEP THAT FAN
> TURNIN'!  We drove that car on 
> the hottest of days (well over 100F) with no
> problem.  An old air-cooled 911 
> would be quite fun too.  A friend of mine had a '75,
> not sure if it was air 
> or water-cooled.  He also had a W116 '74 450SEL
> which was quite a nice car 
> in 1989.
> 
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR



  

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[MBZ] FiOS? [was: Re: OT: New Apple operating software]

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:53:05 -0800 Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Price may rise, but so will speeds if your town is getting FIOS or a  
> close by town is.  Seattle is boosting cable modem speeds by a factor  
> of ten to compete with FiOS coming to Redmond and other suburban towns.
> 
> PDX is also upgrading speeds because Verizon is offering FIOS to  
> suburban cities, along with TV.

So what's FiOS?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Vacuum elements in a 85 300SD (126 chassis) - any oneelsebeen here?

[Kevin Kraly]

Harbor Freight sells a set of T-handle metric hex drivers that includes a
5.5 mm one for $10 or so.

I have a similar set of standard hex drivers, but I would love to find a 
metric set.  I would be like a kid in a candy store in HF!

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Re: [MBZ] FiOS? [was: Re: OT: New Apple operating software]

[Allan Streib]

I've never heard of it either.  I'd guess fiber optics?

On Jan 14, 2008, at 10:56 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:53:05 -0800 Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>
>> Price may rise, but so will speeds if your town is getting FIOS or a
>> close by town is.  Seattle is boosting cable modem speeds by a factor
>> of ten to compete with FiOS coming to Redmond and other suburban  
>> towns.
>>
>> PDX is also upgrading speeds because Verizon is offering FIOS to
>> suburban cities, along with TV.
>
> So what's FiOS?
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now I have Linux Mepis

[jgiels]

I am sorry my mind is pretty much a blur right now! Its Mepis.. 

Douglas
 -- Original message --
From: "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> It might be of utility if you told us WHICH Linux program you downloaded.
> 
> Saying "I downloaded Linux, now what" is like saying "I bought a car and
> wonder ..." Helps to at least know the model.
> 
> And yes, come on over to the Linux list. Much more help there.
> 
> On Jan 14, 2008 4:51 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I got it to run on the CD though I do not really see what to click on to
> > install it on the Hard drive.
> >
> > Do I need to format the hard drive first?
> >
> > Douglas
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[MBZ] This is a pretty car

[Allan Streib]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170185622242

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Re: [MBZ] FiOS? [was: Re: OT: New Apple operating software]

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:01:49 -0500 Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I've never heard of it either.  I'd guess fiber optics?

FTTH is Fiber To The Home. I don't know what FiOS is. Sounds like a new
operating system.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Cummins generators

[Allan Streib]

Yeah no argument.  I guess I was taken aback by the assertion earlier  
in the thread that the 911 engine was primarily oil cooled, I thought  
that the majority of the heat would be removed by the airflow over  
the cylinder and head fins.  Certainly don't have much knowledge of  
air cooled design though; the role of the oil cooler may well be  
larger than I imagined.

Allan

On Jan 14, 2008, at 8:22 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

>> I was specifically saying "Huh?" to the to-may-toe, to-mah-toe.  I  
>> did
>> not understand what that meant in this context.
>
> I meant that the heat in the oil had to come from
> somewhere, and its disappearance indicated that the
> engine was (at least partially) oil-cooled.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Now I have Linux Mepis

[Wonko the Sane]

There should be an "install" icon on the desktop. If not, go to the home
folder, CD to Desktop,and it will be there.

During the install, you will be offered the opportunity to resize your
drive. It will warn you to back up your data first. Take their advice (if
you want to dual-boot or save what you already have).

After that gate, it is mind-numbingly easy. Walk toward the light and enjoy
no more blue screens of death. ... I've done so many installs that I know
what prompt will come up next. However, I can still recall the early abject
agony of hitting "next" thinking my computer would suddenly melt down. It
won't, trust me.

If you're using wireless, ndiswrapper will be your new best friend. If you
need to go there, ask and we will walk you thru it. Pretty easy from the
terminal. Scary if you have no one holding your hand.

D.


On Jan 14, 2008 10:25 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am sorry my mind is pretty much a blur right now! Its Mepis..
>
> Douglas
>  -- Original message --
> From: "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > It might be of utility if you told us WHICH Linux program you
> downloaded.
> >
> > Saying "I downloaded Linux, now what" is like saying "I bought a car and
> > wonder ..." Helps to at least know the model.
> >
> > And yes, come on over to the Linux list. Much more help there.
> >
> > On Jan 14, 2008 4:51 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > I got it to run on the CD though I do not really see what to click on
> to
> > > install it on the Hard drive.
> > >
> > > Do I need to format the hard drive first?
> > >
> > > Douglas
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> >
> > apt-get update
> > apt-get upgrade
> > The following packages will be replaced
> >  Prez
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The following packages will be replaced
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