Re: [MBZ] Spill timing an OM603

[Peter Merle]

Thanks guys
Peter

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>
> Peter Merle wrote:
>> Can one time an OM603 using the spill timing method? If so what are the
>> specs.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil

[Tom Hargrave]

My Harley-Davidson doesn't leak either but my BMW motorcycle does.

Actually, the old Harley's that were accused of leaking were actually
supposed to! On some models, they routed the crankcase breather over to the
primary chain & the excess dripped of. Other models actually had a drip feed
onto the chain and the excess dripped off.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:31 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List; George Larribeau
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil

I run Jap bikes, they don't tend to leak, both mine have but I've made fixes
this year so they only leak just a little...

I don't remember if the 0w40 is "energy conserving" but it is also a diesel
rated oil... I don't think that being a better oil will hurt anything.
Marshall and I did discuss this at one point and he suggested the 5w40 since
as far as he was concerned it was the best oil Mobil had.

I ran about 5 miles tonight, didn't notice anything untoward which was what
I was looking for.

As always I'll mention my Dodge pickup leaks considerably LESS now than it
did before I started using Mobil 1. Its had Mobil 1 for something like
100,000 miles now.

-Curt

--- On Wed, 9/10/08, George Larribeau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: George Larribeau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 6:01 PM

Right about now I really miss Marshall..

I don't think the turbo diesel oils the best choice, a petrol powered MC 
doesn't need the 'soot' capacity in the oil. However I have become
a 
believer in tar Mobil 1 series of products. I was going to switch to the 
0-40 stuff in my HD before I got pretzel-ed. I tried Mobil 1 a long time ago

in my Guzzi (soon to be resurrected, with valve and gasket service) but it 
would leak too much.

The Porsche and BMW are now using the 0-40 stuff. I would not be afraid of 
the small first number in the rating of Mobil 1 products. The important part

is it is still oil at outrageous temperatures. My past experience has always

been it likes to leak out and this is much more of a issue with a MC because

it makes it unsightly.


George Larribeau
Dallas Texas



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From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" ;
"Rolf" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil


> Mobil 1 doesn't have one. Amsoil does I think...
> I'm not going to race (this bike is a cruiser) so I don't need
super 
> protection, still I think this will give me more protection than 10w40 
> conventional.
>
> -Curt
>
> --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> 
> Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 5:29 PM
>
> All the WERA guys racing SV650's are using 15w40. Not sure about 5w40.
>
> -Rolf
>
> Curt Raymond wrote:
>> Its too quiet today, this should stir things up...
>> I'm in process changing the oil in my Kawasaki 454LTD. I'm
gonna
> fill it with Mobil 1 5w40 "Turbo Diesel Truck". LT Don's
been
> using 15w50 in his. I figure the TDT is at least as good as the 10w40
I've
> been using and possibly better. Its not an "energy conserving"
labeled
> oil so I *shouldn't* (scary word) have trouble with the bike's wet
> clutch. If this works out my Honda will get the same treatment at the next
> change and I'll only stock 2 oils (5w40 for the cars and motorcycles, 
> 10w30
> for the pickup and small equipment, tractor, snowblower, etc) instead of 
> 3.
>> Need to find the regional distributor for Mobil 1 and see about a
volume
> discount. I buy 30 or so quarts a year... The guy at Autozone looks at me 
> like
> I'm crazy when I ask for a discount. One of these times I need to get
ugly
> about it. "look bub, I've bought 30 quarts of this stuff in the
last 12
> months..."
>>
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil

[Tom Hargrave]

All depends on what you think is important. Would you run gas oil in your
diesel? Probably not. Then why would you run car oil in an air cooled
motorcycle engine?

 

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From: Curt Raymond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:34 PM
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'; Tom Hargrave
Subject: RE: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil

 


Yeah its about $2+/qt over car oil...

-Curt

--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "'Mercedes Discussion List'"

Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 6:52 PM

Mobil makes an actual Mobil-1 motorcycle.


  


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On Behalf Of Curt Raymond


Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:33 PM


To: Mercedes Discussion List; Rolf


Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil


  


Mobil 1
 doesn't have one. Amsoil does I think...


I'm not going to race (this bike is a cruiser) so I don't need super


protection, still I think this will give me more protection than 10w40


conventional.


  


-Curt


  


--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


From: Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil


To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List"





Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 5:29 PM


  


All the WERA guys racing SV650's are using 15w40. Not sure about 5w40.


  


-Rolf


  


Curt Raymond wrote:


> Its too quiet today, this should stir things up...


> I'm in process changing the oil in my Kawasaki 454LTD. I'm gonna


fill it with Mobil 1 5w40 "Turbo Diesel Truck". LT Don's been


using 15w50 in his. I figure the TDT is at least as good as the 10w40 I've


been using and possibly better. Its not an "energy
 conserving"


labeled


oil so I *shouldn't* (scary word) have trouble with the bike's wet


clutch. If this works out my Honda will get the same treatment at the next


change and I'll only stock 2 oils (5w40 for the cars and motorcycles, 10w30


for the pickup and small equipment, tractor, snowblower, etc) instead of 3.


> Need to find the regional distributor for Mobil 1 and see about a volume


discount. I buy 30 or so quarts a year... The guy at Autozone looks at me


like


I'm crazy when I ask for a discount. One of these times I need to get ugly


about it. "look bub, I've bought 30 quarts of this stuff in the last


12


months..."


>


> -Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Avalon?

[Redghost]

Banned response


clay


On 10 Sep 2008, at 21:03, Jim Cathey wrote:

>> Roger, all those young womyn are not into breeding.  That is why the
>> things are called LEZBARU.  I am not sure why the car appeals to that
>> demographic, but it does.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT but oil related: Interior Dept. Officials Embroiled in Energy Ethics Scandal

[Chuck Landenberger]

I agree it will be interesting and I wouid also like to know if those  
"Government officials in charge of collecting billions of dollars  
worth of royalties" did collect any of those billions???

Just an inquiring mind

Chuck

On Sep 10, 2008, at 6:44 PM, Rolf wrote:

> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/10/ 
> AR2008091001829.html?hpid=topnews
>
>
> Government officials in charge of collecting billions of dollars worth
> of royalties from oil and gas companies accepted lavish gifts, steered
> contracts to favored firms and engaged in illicit sex with  
> employees of t
>
> Investigators from the Interior Department's inspector general's  
> office
> said more than a dozen employees, including the former director of the
> oil royalty program, accepted gifts including ski trips, sports  
> tickets
> and golf outings. The report alleges that the former director, Gregory
> W. Smith, also arranged side deals that personally netted him more  
> than
> $30,000.
>
> Oh this is going to be interesting.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Look out for Cat Converter theft

[Redghost]

Must be one.  The PnP cuts them out before they hit the yard.  Also  
seem to get the turbos, as I have not seen one in a car yet.  Even  
fresh off the fork lift

clay

On 10 Sep 2008, at 15:24, Zoltan Finks wrote:

> Seems a bandit has hit our small community and stolen the cat from  
> two late
> 80s, early 90s Toyota pickups. Must be a market for them.
> Brian
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Re: [MBZ] Avalon?

[Jim Cathey]

> Roger, all those young womyn are not into breeding.  That is why the
> things are called LEZBARU.  I am not sure why the car appeals to that
> demographic, but it does.

It holds dogs, that's why.

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Re: [MBZ] Avalon?

[Redghost]

Roger, all those young womyn are not into breeding.  That is why the  
things are called LEZBARU.  I am not sure why the car appeals to that  
demographic, but it does.

clay

On 10 Sep 2008, at 13:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> If you really want another, you can probably find them gathering  
> dust at any
> nursing home or retirement village since they seem to appeal to  
> those waiting
> for the final call. My next door neighbor lady is about eighty and I  
> see her
> creeping off to someplace every day. She's on her second one.
>
> The hottest AWD car in western Washington is Subaru. They are all  
> over the
> place with several big dealers and I see lots of youngish women  
> driving the
> latest model. Lots cheaper than a Quattro, I suspect.
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Re: [MBZ] Hood update for Wilton

[Jim Cathey]

> http://home.gwi.net/~craymond/mercedes/mercedes.html
> Updated tonight with a terrible picture of the hood and its new pad

Still find the reverse chronology log very hard to read
when catching up on a week or two's entries...  :-)

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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Luther]

I'm a trumpet player, only had compliments

Luther

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> Yea -- I majored in Tuba. No complaints that I can remember.
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>   
>> But everyone knows a brass player kisses wa better.  DUH, Mr. Tuba! :)
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Re: [MBZ] used belts?????

[Allan Streib]

"Tom Hargrave" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Nothing wrong with sourcing used brake lines from a junkyard
> providing you know how to inspect them for age and damage. After
> all, aren't the brake lines on your Mercedes just as old and subject
> to failure?

Mine are new, actually, and for the price I wouldn't even consider
used.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Avalon?

[Allan Streib]

"Wilton Strickland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The Ziebart guys in The Soo drilled small holes to access cavities
> in doors and body panels and sprayed well all inside with a good
> coating of undercoating stuff, then plugged the holes.

The problem is when they do that their goop also clogs the drain holes
and the doors fill up with water and rust out faster than if they'd
never been treated.  My parents had a car Ziebarted in the late '70s
and it was perforated with rust in less than 5 years.  They didn't
honor their warranty either.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] What would you buy now?

[Allan Streib]

My Vanagon does pretty well in the snow.  Nearly 50/50 weight
distribution on the front/rear tires, fairly narrow tires, rear wheel
drive/rear engine, and it's water cooled so it has heat.

Allan
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MG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Ah! well then you do know what a VW heater feels like.
>
> Manfred
>
>
>
> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:43:11 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] What would you buy now?
>
>
> I've never had an old VW in the snow but would assume the superior
> traction is at least offset by freezing to death...  Of course there
> was that one time where the heater blower quit on the way to work at
> -15F...


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Re: [MBZ] little man is home

[OK Don]

Excellent news!  Now the fun really begins!

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Brought him home today.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Look out for Cat Converter theft

[Anthony Galioto]

They contain platinum.  trucks and suvs are an easy steal.
Anthony

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> Seems a bandit has hit our small community and stolen the cat from two late
> 80s, early 90s Toyota pickups. Must be a market for them.
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[MBZ] Hood update for Wilton

[Curt Raymond]

http://home.gwi.net/~craymond/mercedes/mercedes.html
Updated tonight with a terrible picture of the hood and its new pad

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] little man is home

[Tony Wirtel]

> Subject: [MBZ] little man is home
> To: Banned List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,  mercedes Mailing List
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> Brought him home today.
> --
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Congrats-

Remember fondly those nights of uninterrupted sleep.  You'll get 'em
back, somewhere between 3 weeks and 3 years!

TOny Wirtel
'92 300e, '00 boy child, '04 girl child

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Re: [MBZ] Belts? Huh?

[RELNGSON]

> ..it would be an odd practice given the cost of new belts.  continental,
> goodyear, gates, et al -- all darn good and pretty cheap!..
> 
Seatbelts. Pay attention.

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] Ersatz SSK

[RELNGSON]

> ...Makes me wonder if the "Kit Car" Manufacturer has built four or five of
> these and is trying to pedal them via the Craigslist site...
> 
Nope. That kit mounted on a VW platform has been around for at least 30 
years. 

POS

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[MBZ] OT but oil related: Interior Dept. Officials Embroiled in Energy Ethics Scandal

[Rolf]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/10/AR2008091001829.html?hpid=topnews


Government officials in charge of collecting billions of dollars worth
of royalties from oil and gas companies accepted lavish gifts, steered
contracts to favored firms and engaged in illicit sex with employees of t

Investigators from the Interior Department's inspector general's office
said more than a dozen employees, including the former director of the
oil royalty program, accepted gifts including ski trips, sports tickets
and golf outings. The report alleges that the former director, Gregory
W. Smith, also arranged side deals that personally netted him more than
$30,000.

Oh this is going to be interesting.


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Re: [MBZ] CL "29 MB"

[Ed Booher]

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:44 AM, Ed Booher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey, there is one of those that's been in and out of the Indianapolis
> Craigslist the last couple months as well. Can't find it there right now, so
> the car lot that had it may have finally sold it, but I've looked at these
> so called Mercedes replicas, and they don't really look like the `28 SSK
> they are supposed to "replicate"
>

Hilarious thing happened to me today. So, I wrote the above message while I
was at work. My shift the last three days has been 00:00-12:00, right? So I
looked around on Indy Craigs to try and find the Gazelle that had been
advertised before I sent that message. Couldn't find. Assume it had been
sold. Yadda Yadda.

Got off work and walked out to my car, and what was parked beside it but
that blasted Gazelle!! I took pics of it, but haven't gotten them off my
phone yet. I stood there a solid minute, jaw hanging open just going 
Wh

Maybe I should have bought a lotto ticket before I came home and went to
bed.

EdB

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Re: [MBZ] Another used Mercedes for sale

[Rolf]

Its going to be the most expensive salvage title in history.

-Rolf

tom savage wrote:
> http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24310203-401,00.html
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Re: [MBZ] W201 capital of nation? world? Statistics - OT poverty in Africa

[Bill R]

Tyler said it quite well.  One additional factor is the climate.  My former
employer brought in a climatologist for one of our in-service weeks, who
basically said that due to the climate in much of Africa we can plan on
needing to help feed many in Africa 'forever.'  I would say 'yes,' at least
until some other breakthrough comes along that is as significant as the
"green Revolution" of a few decades ago.  One of our specialists stated that
the Moringa tree found in most of Africa is pretty much ignored, but the
leaves are so filled with nutrients that it has the ability to just about
wipe out malnourishment on the continent.
http://www.echotech.org/technical/technotes/moringabiomasa.pdf  We have done
a lot of education thus far, and now have hospitals that grow it as a
nutrition supplement for the patients, and for women who take it their
babies have a significantly higher birth weight.  An extra bonus is the cake
left over when the leaves [people food] and seed pods [yielding light
machine oil and cooking oil] are processed can be used to purify water -
some are starting to be used for this even in commercial filtration plants.
It also grows 15' - 20' a year, but is butt ugly.  Look it up, though the
professional photos are prettier than any I have actually seen or grown
http://www.delange.org/Moringa/Moringa.htm .  
I can't think of a time in history when there was not enough knowledge
or resources to take care of the world's population [some folks have
actually studied this issue,] and I also can't think of a time when we have
chosen to do so.
Enough already.  Thanks for the perspective Tyler.  I'll shut up now.

BillR 

<<< On Behalf Of Tyler Backman
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:10 PM >

 He also comes across as somewhat ignorant when he suggests that the  
poverty in Africa is due to the peoples inability to plan ahead. As an  
example he cites a poor mechanic who takes a small monetary payment  
over the offer of a much more valuable hydraulic jack, when he is  
without one. His example ignores the fact that short term needs  
(feeding your family) always need to come before long term needs  
(higher quality tools), or else the benefits of the long term  
investments are never enjoyed. His view also ignores the long history  
of injustice and violence in the region that has helped form the  
current economic situation of the people living there, as well as  
other social political and environmental factors that are outside of  
their control. Basically, he accuses them of being unable to pull  
themselves up by their own bootstraps.

Sincerely,
Tyler William H Backman
1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil

[Rick Knoble]

> Mobil makes an actual Mobil-1 motorcycle.

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Oils/Motorcycle_Oil_FAQs.aspx#FAQs2

Two motorcycle oils. One for air cooled v-twins, one for inline two/four 
cylinders. I run Mobil 1 for v-twins in my Ultra. In its owners manual it says 
the if oil is needed and HD oil is not available to use a diesel rated oil. I 
presume this is because it lacks the friction modifiers that are no good for 
wet clutches. It also has more phosphorus (zddp) than other oils. If you look 
at the chart from Mobil-1's website, you will see that the motorcycle oils 
contain WAY more phosphorus than oils for motorcars. 
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Mobil_1_Product_Guide.pdf
Judging by lack of friction modifiers and elevated phosphorus levels, 
motorcycle oils would be the first choice, followed by both 15w-50 oils, then 
5w-40 turbo diesel oil. For that matter, I run 5w-40 diesel oil or 15w-50 mobil 
1 in everything I drive, except the bikes.

Rick Knoble 
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT 

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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Wonko the Sane]

Yea -- I majored in Tuba. No complaints that I can remember.

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> But everyone knows a brass player kisses wa better.  DUH, Mr. Tuba! :)
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] W201 capital of nation? world? Statistics

[Tyler Backman]

I read the book and was pretty disappointed. I had high expectations  
since I love adventure driving and W201s, but this was some of the  
worst travel writing I've ever read. It reads as a brief list of  
events covering too much time in too little detail to really be an  
engaging story IMO. If you think you might like it, might I suggest  
instead Road Fever by Tim Cahill. It doesn't have a Benz, but it's a  
much cooler story, that is very well written.

He also comes across as somewhat ignorant when he suggests that the  
poverty in Africa is due to the peoples inability to plan ahead. As an  
example he cites a poor mechanic who takes a small monetary payment  
over the offer of a much more valuable hydraulic jack, when he is  
without one. His example ignores the fact that short term needs  
(feeding your family) always need to come before long term needs  
(higher quality tools), or else the benefits of the long term  
investments are never enjoyed. His view also ignores the long history  
of injustice and violence in the region that has helped form the  
current economic situation of the people living there, as well as  
other social political and environmental factors that are outside of  
their control. Basically, he accuses them of being unable to pull  
themselves up by their own bootstraps.

Sincerely,
Tyler William H Backman
1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel

On Sep 10, 2008, at 4:21 PM, tom savage wrote:

> Zoltan Finks wrote:
>
>> Wonder if there is any source for statistics on how many vehicles  
>> of a
>> certain type reside in a given area.
>
> Don't know, but in "My Mercedes is Not For Sale," the author quotes an
> aid worker as saying that you can measure the poverty of a country (in
> Africa) by counting Mercedes 190s; the more 190s, the poorer they are.
> I guess they're everywhere in most of the continent.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Mercedes-Not-Sale-Ouagadougou-Auto-Misadventure/dp/0767928695
>
> Highly recommended.
>
> Tom
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Re: [MBZ] W201 capital of nation? world? Statistics

[tom savage]

Curt Raymond wrote:
> Did you read that book? I spotted it in a bookshop awhile ago and wondered. 
> It was a trendy little place and I wasn't about to spend $20 for the 
> hardcover...

I did.  It was an interesting, quick read.  The author is not a car guy 
and it is almost more of a Saharan travelogue than a book about a 190D, 
but still a nice car-centric adventure story.  Worth the ten bucks on 
Amazon.

Tom

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[MBZ] Another used Mercedes for sale

[tom savage]

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,24310203-401,00.html

Tom

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[MBZ] Speaking of W201s

[tom savage]

Someone here really needs this car, from the current "Star":
"1987 190D 2.5: White/black, 2.5 diesel, 5-speed, 40+ mpg, great daily 
driver, in good condition.  $4500 obo.  Phil: (980) 253-0719"

Phone number is Charlotte, NC.  Not mine, no affiliation, etc.

Tom

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Re: [MBZ] W201 capital of nation? world? Statistics

[tom savage]

Zoltan Finks wrote:
> Wow, thats unsettling.
> I have heard the argument regarding W201s in our country that holds that
> they tend to fall into the hands of sort of, well, trashy people. It makes
> at least some sense in that I assume they were less expensive than larger
> models when new. But it doesnt make sense in that used ones dont seem to be
> cheaper. In fact used W201s seem to be more expensive than other models.

Sure, they were the cheapest models when new, but they're also the 
cheapest to keep on the road.  Hence a 190D has a much higher utility 
value than a 560SEL, so it makes sense that they'd have a higher resale 
value twenty years down the line.

> Did I just answer my own question there? Or no? H.

Wait, what were we talking about again?

Tom

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Re: [MBZ] W201 capital of nation? world? Statistics

[Curt Raymond]

Did you read that book? I spotted it in a bookshop awhile ago and wondered. It 
was a trendy little place and I wasn't about to spend $20 for the hardcover...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:21:11 -0500
From: tom savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W201 capital of nation? world? Statistics
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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Zoltan Finks wrote:

> Wonder if there is any source for statistics on how many vehicles of a
> certain type reside in a given area.

Don't know, but in "My Mercedes is Not For Sale," the author quotes an 
aid worker as saying that you can measure the poverty of a country (in 
Africa) by counting Mercedes 190s; the more 190s, the poorer they are. 
I guess they're everywhere in most of the continent.

http://www.amazon.com/Mercedes-Not-Sale-Ouagadougou-Auto-Misadventure/dp/0767928695

Highly recommended.

Tom



  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil

[Curt Raymond]

$2+ more per quart, forces me to stock another oil, not any superior. I've been 
using conventional car oil for 4 years now and it doesn't seem to hurt 
anything. I saw a test at one point that said for conventional oils motorcycle 
oil and car oil were essentially the same. If conventional car oil was fine I 
don't see synthetic oil hurting anything.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:20:58 -0700
From: Tyler Backman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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Personally, I'd use Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40, since this oil is  
designed to work with wet clutches. I can't think of any reason to use  
Turbo Diesel Truck instead.

Were you able to get a volume discount at Autozone? I buy almost 30  
quarts per year of Turbo Diesel Truck myself (use it in the 190D, and  
the Volvo Turbo).

Sincerely,
Tyler William H Backman
1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel


  
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Re: [MBZ] W201 capital of nation? world? Statistics

[Curt Raymond]

Whaa? They made like a trillion 190Es. I see 'em all the time.

Of course the 123 population here in the north east is dying of the rust 
monster...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:22:32 -0700
From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ] W201 capital of nation? world? Statistics
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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I dont have any official info. on this, but it seems to me that where I live
has got to be among the places with the most W201s anywhere.
I know these models are much less prevalent than W123s, but in our little
town of some 20,000, I see so many! And across the Sound in Seattle, I see
many too.

Wonder if there is any source for statistics on how many vehicles of a
certain type reside in a given area.

And as for W123a, I know that when i lived in SE Minnesota, our 240D allowed
me to feel pretty special. But here I am one of the crowd.

Brian



  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil

[Curt Raymond]

Yeah its about $2+/qt over car oil...

-Curt

--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 6:52 PM

Mobil makes an actual Mobil-1 motorcycle.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:33 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List; Rolf
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil

Mobil 1 doesn't have one. Amsoil does I think...
I'm not going to race (this bike is a cruiser) so I don't need super
protection, still I think this will give me more protection than 10w40
conventional.

-Curt

--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List"

Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 5:29 PM

All the WERA guys racing SV650's are using 15w40. Not sure about 5w40.

-Rolf

Curt Raymond wrote:
> Its too quiet today, this should stir things up...
> I'm in process changing the oil in my Kawasaki 454LTD. I'm gonna
fill it with Mobil 1 5w40 "Turbo Diesel Truck". LT Don's been
using 15w50 in his. I figure the TDT is at least as good as the 10w40 I've
been using and possibly better. Its not an "energy conserving"
labeled
oil so I *shouldn't* (scary word) have trouble with the bike's wet
clutch. If this works out my Honda will get the same treatment at the next
change and I'll only stock 2 oils (5w40 for the cars and motorcycles, 10w30
for the pickup and small equipment, tractor, snowblower, etc) instead of 3.
> Need to find the regional distributor for Mobil 1 and see about a volume
discount. I buy 30 or so quarts a year... The guy at Autozone looks at me
like
I'm crazy when I ask for a discount. One of these times I need to get ugly
about it. "look bub, I've bought 30 quarts of this stuff in the last
12
months..."
>
> -Curt
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] W201 capital of nation? world? Statistics

[Zoltan Finks]

Wow, thats unsettling.
I have heard the argument regarding W201s in our country that holds that
they tend to fall into the hands of sort of, well, trashy people. It makes
at least some sense in that I assume they were less expensive than larger
models when new. But it doesnt make sense in that used ones dont seem to be
cheaper. In fact used W201s seem to be more expensive than other models.

Now, as for what that book is talking about regarding Africa, I really dont
know. (and I cant afford to buy the book).

Did I just answer my own question there? Or no? H.

Brian

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:21 PM, tom savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Zoltan Finks wrote:
>
> > Wonder if there is any source for statistics on how many vehicles of a
> > certain type reside in a given area.
>
> Don't know, but in "My Mercedes is Not For Sale," the author quotes an
> aid worker as saying that you can measure the poverty of a country (in
> Africa) by counting Mercedes 190s; the more 190s, the poorer they are.
> I guess they're everywhere in most of the continent.
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Mercedes-Not-Sale-Ouagadougou-Auto-Misadventure/dp/0767928695
>
> Highly recommended.
>
> Tom
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil

[Curt Raymond]

I run Jap bikes, they don't tend to leak, both mine have but I've made fixes 
this year so they only leak just a little...

I don't remember if the 0w40 is "energy conserving" but it is also a diesel 
rated oil... I don't think that being a better oil will hurt anything. Marshall 
and I did discuss this at one point and he suggested the 5w40 since as far as 
he was concerned it was the best oil Mobil had.

I ran about 5 miles tonight, didn't notice anything untoward which was what I 
was looking for.

As always I'll mention my Dodge pickup leaks considerably LESS now than it did 
before I started using Mobil 1. Its had Mobil 1 for something like 100,000 
miles now.

-Curt

--- On Wed, 9/10/08, George Larribeau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: George Larribeau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 6:01 PM

Right about now I really miss Marshall..

I don't think the turbo diesel oils the best choice, a petrol powered MC 
doesn't need the 'soot' capacity in the oil. However I have become
a 
believer in tar Mobil 1 series of products. I was going to switch to the 
0-40 stuff in my HD before I got pretzel-ed. I tried Mobil 1 a long time ago 
in my Guzzi (soon to be resurrected, with valve and gasket service) but it 
would leak too much.

The Porsche and BMW are now using the 0-40 stuff. I would not be afraid of 
the small first number in the rating of Mobil 1 products. The important part 
is it is still oil at outrageous temperatures. My past experience has always 
been it likes to leak out and this is much more of a issue with a MC because 
it makes it unsightly.


George Larribeau
Dallas Texas



- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" ;
"Rolf" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil


> Mobil 1 doesn't have one. Amsoil does I think...
> I'm not going to race (this bike is a cruiser) so I don't need
super 
> protection, still I think this will give me more protection than 10w40 
> conventional.
>
> -Curt
>
> --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> 
> Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 5:29 PM
>
> All the WERA guys racing SV650's are using 15w40. Not sure about 5w40.
>
> -Rolf
>
> Curt Raymond wrote:
>> Its too quiet today, this should stir things up...
>> I'm in process changing the oil in my Kawasaki 454LTD. I'm
gonna
> fill it with Mobil 1 5w40 "Turbo Diesel Truck". LT Don's
been
> using 15w50 in his. I figure the TDT is at least as good as the 10w40
I've
> been using and possibly better. Its not an "energy conserving"
labeled
> oil so I *shouldn't* (scary word) have trouble with the bike's wet
> clutch. If this works out my Honda will get the same treatment at the next
> change and I'll only stock 2 oils (5w40 for the cars and motorcycles, 
> 10w30
> for the pickup and small equipment, tractor, snowblower, etc) instead of 
> 3.
>> Need to find the regional distributor for Mobil 1 and see about a
volume
> discount. I buy 30 or so quarts a year... The guy at Autozone looks at me 
> like
> I'm crazy when I ask for a discount. One of these times I need to get
ugly
> about it. "look bub, I've bought 30 quarts of this stuff in the
last 12
> months..."
>>
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] W201 capital of nation? world? Statistics

[tom savage]

Zoltan Finks wrote:

> Wonder if there is any source for statistics on how many vehicles of a
> certain type reside in a given area.

Don't know, but in "My Mercedes is Not For Sale," the author quotes an 
aid worker as saying that you can measure the poverty of a country (in 
Africa) by counting Mercedes 190s; the more 190s, the poorer they are. 
I guess they're everywhere in most of the continent.

http://www.amazon.com/Mercedes-Not-Sale-Ouagadougou-Auto-Misadventure/dp/0767928695

Highly recommended.

Tom

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Re: [MBZ] Avalon?

[Wilton Strickland]

The Ziebart guys in The Soo drilled small holes to access cavities in doors
and body panels and sprayed well all inside with a good coating of
undercoating stuff, then plugged the holes.  'Seemed to be very thorough.
Much better than factory (especially Chrysler) at that time.  'Made the car
a little quieter, too.  That was GOOD-driving/riding car, but not quite as
good as my 91 126.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: "R A Bennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Avalon?


> Yes Wilton I am in Winnipeg Manitoba - about 140 miles due north of Grand
Forks North Dakota. Rust is not generally
> a huge issue here as we don't have the slushy weather conditions like more
southern areas. Undercoating is a good
> idea if it is done well. Many new cars come fairly well protected these
days. Our now departed Avalon had been
> treated to some extra protection beyond factory and that may be one of the
reasons it was still in very good
> condition.
>
> Randy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wilton Strickland
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:34 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Avalon?
>
>
> Randy, I've forgotten where you are.  Somewhere north of US border, isn't
> it?  Do they still do Ziebart rust prevention treatments up there?  'Had a
> '71 Chrysler station wagon Ziebarted in about early '72 in Sault Ste.
Marie,
> ON.  'Don't know how well it really did; 'sold it in S. CA in '78, though
it
> still didn't have any rust prob then, so maybe it worked.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "R A Bennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Avalon?
>
>
> > I actually suggested she might like another one but she says not. They
are
> basically just a fancy Camry. The older
> > ones were longer than a Camry but I am not sure that remains the case
with
> the newer ones.
> >
> > Lord knows what she will end up with. I thought last evening we had
> decided to check out some late model Chevy
> > Impalas but today at lunch that seems to have faded from her wish list.
I
> guess time will tell.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:04 PM
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Avalon?
> >
> >
> > If you really want another, you can probably find them gathering dust at
> any
> > nursing home or retirement village since they seem to appeal to those
> waiting
> > for the final call. My next door neighbor lady is about eighty and I see
> her
> > creeping off to someplace every day. She's on her second one.
> >
> > The hottest AWD car in western Washington is Subaru. They are all over
the
> > place with several big dealers and I see lots of youngish women driving
> the
> > latest model. Lots cheaper than a Quattro, I suspect.
> >
> > RLE
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Re: [MBZ] Avalon?

[R A Bennell]

Yes Wilton I am in Winnipeg Manitoba - about 140 miles due north of Grand Forks 
North Dakota. Rust is not generally
a huge issue here as we don't have the slushy weather conditions like more 
southern areas. Undercoating is a good
idea if it is done well. Many new cars come fairly well protected these days. 
Our now departed Avalon had been
treated to some extra protection beyond factory and that may be one of the 
reasons it was still in very good
condition.

Randy

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Wilton Strickland
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:34 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Avalon?


Randy, I've forgotten where you are.  Somewhere north of US border, isn't
it?  Do they still do Ziebart rust prevention treatments up there?  'Had a
'71 Chrysler station wagon Ziebarted in about early '72 in Sault Ste. Marie,
ON.  'Don't know how well it really did; 'sold it in S. CA in '78, though it
still didn't have any rust prob then, so maybe it worked.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: "R A Bennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Avalon?


> I actually suggested she might like another one but she says not. They are
basically just a fancy Camry. The older
> ones were longer than a Camry but I am not sure that remains the case with
the newer ones.
>
> Lord knows what she will end up with. I thought last evening we had
decided to check out some late model Chevy
> Impalas but today at lunch that seems to have faded from her wish list. I
guess time will tell.
>
> Randy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:04 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Avalon?
>
>
> If you really want another, you can probably find them gathering dust at
any
> nursing home or retirement village since they seem to appeal to those
waiting
> for the final call. My next door neighbor lady is about eighty and I see
her
> creeping off to someplace every day. She's on her second one.
>
> The hottest AWD car in western Washington is Subaru. They are all over the
> place with several big dealers and I see lots of youngish women driving
the
> latest model. Lots cheaper than a Quattro, I suspect.
>
> RLE
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil

[Tom Hargrave]

Mobil makes an actual Mobil-1 motorcycle.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:33 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List; Rolf
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil

Mobil 1 doesn't have one. Amsoil does I think...
I'm not going to race (this bike is a cruiser) so I don't need super
protection, still I think this will give me more protection than 10w40
conventional.

-Curt

--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 5:29 PM

All the WERA guys racing SV650's are using 15w40. Not sure about 5w40.

-Rolf

Curt Raymond wrote:
> Its too quiet today, this should stir things up...
> I'm in process changing the oil in my Kawasaki 454LTD. I'm gonna
fill it with Mobil 1 5w40 "Turbo Diesel Truck". LT Don's been
using 15w50 in his. I figure the TDT is at least as good as the 10w40 I've
been using and possibly better. Its not an "energy conserving" labeled
oil so I *shouldn't* (scary word) have trouble with the bike's wet
clutch. If this works out my Honda will get the same treatment at the next
change and I'll only stock 2 oils (5w40 for the cars and motorcycles, 10w30
for the pickup and small equipment, tractor, snowblower, etc) instead of 3.
> Need to find the regional distributor for Mobil 1 and see about a volume
discount. I buy 30 or so quarts a year... The guy at Autozone looks at me
like
I'm crazy when I ask for a discount. One of these times I need to get ugly
about it. "look bub, I've bought 30 quarts of this stuff in the last 12
months..."
>
> -Curt
>
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Re: [MBZ] Biden

[Rich Thomas]

At a rally in Nashua, New Hampshire, a man in the audience told Biden 
how glad he was that Obama picked him over Hillary "not because she's a 
woman, but because look at the things she did in the past."

"Make no mistake about this," Biden responded. "Hillary Clinton is as 
qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United 
States of America. Let's get that straight. She's a truly close personal 
friend, she is qualified to be president of the United States of 
America, she's easily qualified to be vice president of the United 
States of America and quite frankly it might have been a better pick 
than me. But she's first rate, I mean that sincerely, she's first rate, 
so let's get that straight."


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/biden-hillary-a.html

==R

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>
> Then I ignore him.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Mitch Marmel]

--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> See the picture at the bottom of the page. I don't put
> stickers on my cars, this one came this way but I
> haven't taken it off yet...

Rat own!  :D

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Re: [MBZ] used belts?

[Wilton Strickland]

'Thought they were talking 'bout fan belts.

Wilton

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Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] used belts?


> If you are talking about the SRS type belts, yes its a one time thing
> but quite apparant if its gone off.  That only happens in a front impact
> though.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> ...From what I've heard about using 'used' belts I will probably go
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> >> new ones...
> >>
> > Nobody will sell you used belts.
> >
> > And what you don't know is that belts in a wrecking yard could very well
be
> > stretched (that's what they do) and must be replaced if the car is
repaired.
> > Particularly if they are the self tightening type since that's a one
time
> > activation.
> >
> > RLE
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > **
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[MBZ] OT Look out for Cat Converter theft

[Zoltan Finks]

Seems a bandit has hit our small community and stolen the cat from two late
80s, early 90s Toyota pickups. Must be a market for them.
Brian
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Re: [MBZ] Seat Belts

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Im talking about seat belts

Wilton Strickland wrote:
> How 'bout belts and brake hoses?
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Seat Belts
> 
> 
>> I have never heard of any problems with used belts.  I sell them all the
>> time.
>>
>> LarryT wrote:
>>> Need to replace the driver's seat belt in my 91 3000D -
>>>
>>> Has anyone found a good supplier?  From what I've heard about using
> 'used' belts I will probably go with new ones.
>>> Take Care,
>>> Larry T
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[MBZ] W201 capital of nation? world? Statistics

[Zoltan Finks]

I dont have any official info. on this, but it seems to me that where I live
has got to be among the places with the most W201s anywhere.
I know these models are much less prevalent than W123s, but in our little
town of some 20,000, I see so many! And across the Sound in Seattle, I see
many too.

Wonder if there is any source for statistics on how many vehicles of a
certain type reside in a given area.

And as for W123a, I know that when i lived in SE Minnesota, our 240D allowed
me to feel pretty special. But here I am one of the crowd.

Brian
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil

[Tyler Backman]

Personally, I'd use Mobil 1 Racing 4T 10W-40, since this oil is  
designed to work with wet clutches. I can't think of any reason to use  
Turbo Diesel Truck instead.

Were you able to get a volume discount at Autozone? I buy almost 30  
quarts per year of Turbo Diesel Truck myself (use it in the 190D, and  
the Volvo Turbo).

Sincerely,
Tyler William H Backman
1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel

On Sep 10, 2008, at 2:25 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

> Its too quiet today, this should stir things up...
> I'm in process changing the oil in my Kawasaki 454LTD. I'm gonna  
> fill it with Mobil 1 5w40 "Turbo Diesel Truck". LT Don's been using  
> 15w50 in his. I figure the TDT is at least as good as the 10w40 I've  
> been using and possibly better. Its not an "energy conserving"  
> labeled oil so I *shouldn't* (scary word) have trouble with the  
> bike's wet clutch. If this works out my Honda will get the same  
> treatment at the next change and I'll only stock 2 oils (5w40 for  
> the cars and motorcycles, 10w30 for the pickup and small equipment,  
> tractor, snowblower, etc) instead of 3.
> Need to find the regional distributor for Mobil 1 and see about a  
> volume discount. I buy 30 or so quarts a year... The guy at Autozone  
> looks at me like I'm crazy when I ask for a discount. One of these  
> times I need to get ugly about it. "look bub, I've bought 30 quarts  
> of this stuff in the last 12 months..."
>
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Seat Belts

[Wilton Strickland]

How 'bout belts and brake hoses?

Wilton

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Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Seat Belts


> I have never heard of any problems with used belts.  I sell them all the
> time.
>
> LarryT wrote:
> > Need to replace the driver's seat belt in my 91 3000D -
> >
> > Has anyone found a good supplier?  From what I've heard about using
'used' belts I will probably go with new ones.
> >
> > Take Care,
> > Larry T
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Re: [MBZ] used belts?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

If you are talking about the SRS type belts, yes its a one time thing 
but quite apparant if its gone off.  That only happens in a front impact 
though.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> ...From what I've heard about using 'used' belts I will probably go with 
>> new ones...
>>
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> 
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> stretched (that's what they do) and must be replaced if the car is repaired. 
> Particularly if they are the self tightening type since that's a one time 
> activation.
> 
> RLE
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Re: [MBZ] Biden

[Rich Thomas]

Come on stand up!  Stand up for the crowd! (to a guy in a wheelchair)  
Ah, well, everyone else stand up for you!

--R

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Re: [MBZ] little man is home

[Wilton Strickland]

That's great!  'Hope all goes well, including early morning sleep.
BTW, you know don't you?  Suddenly, he's gonna 40 years old.
My oldest just turned 51; see what I mean?

Wilton

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Subject: [MBZ] little man is home


> Brought him home today.
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Re: [MBZ] Kaleb special

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Not sure where its at but I suspect its too far away

andrew strasfogel wrote:
> Not bad if it includes the new drive train...  Why aren't you all over this
> one, Kaleb?
> 
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Rich Thomas <
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  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
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Re: [MBZ] Spill timing an OM603

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

No

Peter Merle wrote:
> Can one time an OM603 using the spill timing method? If so what are the specs.
> Thanks
> Peter
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  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
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Re: [MBZ] Seat Belts

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I have never heard of any problems with used belts.  I sell them all the 
time.

LarryT wrote:
> Need to replace the driver's seat belt in my 91 3000D -
> 
> Has anyone found a good supplier?  From what I've heard about using 'used' 
> belts I will probably go with new ones.
> 
> Take Care,
> Larry T
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  87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D,
  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
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[MBZ] little man is home

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Brought him home today.
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  87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D,
  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil

[George Larribeau]

Right about now I really miss Marshall..

I don't think the turbo diesel oils the best choice, a petrol powered MC 
doesn't need the 'soot' capacity in the oil. However I have become a 
believer in tar Mobil 1 series of products. I was going to switch to the 
0-40 stuff in my HD before I got pretzel-ed. I tried Mobil 1 a long time ago 
in my Guzzi (soon to be resurrected, with valve and gasket service) but it 
would leak too much.

The Porsche and BMW are now using the 0-40 stuff. I would not be afraid of 
the small first number in the rating of Mobil 1 products. The important part 
is it is still oil at outrageous temperatures. My past experience has always 
been it likes to leak out and this is much more of a issue with a MC because 
it makes it unsightly.


George Larribeau
Dallas Texas



- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" ; "Rolf" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil


> Mobil 1 doesn't have one. Amsoil does I think...
> I'm not going to race (this bike is a cruiser) so I don't need super 
> protection, still I think this will give me more protection than 10w40 
> conventional.
>
> -Curt
>
> --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> 
> Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 5:29 PM
>
> All the WERA guys racing SV650's are using 15w40. Not sure about 5w40.
>
> -Rolf
>
> Curt Raymond wrote:
>> Its too quiet today, this should stir things up...
>> I'm in process changing the oil in my Kawasaki 454LTD. I'm gonna
> fill it with Mobil 1 5w40 "Turbo Diesel Truck". LT Don's been
> using 15w50 in his. I figure the TDT is at least as good as the 10w40 I've
> been using and possibly better. Its not an "energy conserving" labeled
> oil so I *shouldn't* (scary word) have trouble with the bike's wet
> clutch. If this works out my Honda will get the same treatment at the next
> change and I'll only stock 2 oils (5w40 for the cars and motorcycles, 
> 10w30
> for the pickup and small equipment, tractor, snowblower, etc) instead of 
> 3.
>> Need to find the regional distributor for Mobil 1 and see about a volume
> discount. I buy 30 or so quarts a year... The guy at Autozone looks at me 
> like
> I'm crazy when I ask for a discount. One of these times I need to get ugly
> about it. "look bub, I've bought 30 quarts of this stuff in the last 12
> months..."
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>>
>>
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[MBZ] OT. Headlight Polish

[Frederick W Moir]

Hi. Alles.
My Daughter has a 2004 Jetta with cloudy headlight covers/lenses. Is 
there any useful polish for these or is it replacement time?
For the '99 Toyota, the Janvil plastic polish kit works well, but has 
almost no effect on the VW lens.
Any recommendations welcome.
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
2004 Jetta
1999 Toyota Corolla
3 Benz diesels.


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Re: [MBZ] Avalon?

[Wilton Strickland]

Randy, I've forgotten where you are.  Somewhere north of US border, isn't
it?  Do they still do Ziebart rust prevention treatments up there?  'Had a
'71 Chrysler station wagon Ziebarted in about early '72 in Sault Ste. Marie,
ON.  'Don't know how well it really did; 'sold it in S. CA in '78, though it
still didn't have any rust prob then, so maybe it worked.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Avalon?


> I actually suggested she might like another one but she says not. They are
basically just a fancy Camry. The older
> ones were longer than a Camry but I am not sure that remains the case with
the newer ones.
>
> Lord knows what she will end up with. I thought last evening we had
decided to check out some late model Chevy
> Impalas but today at lunch that seems to have faded from her wish list. I
guess time will tell.
>
> Randy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:04 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Avalon?
>
>
> If you really want another, you can probably find them gathering dust at
any
> nursing home or retirement village since they seem to appeal to those
waiting
> for the final call. My next door neighbor lady is about eighty and I see
her
> creeping off to someplace every day. She's on her second one.
>
> The hottest AWD car in western Washington is Subaru. They are all over the
> place with several big dealers and I see lots of youngish women driving
the
> latest model. Lots cheaper than a Quattro, I suspect.
>
> RLE
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil

[Curt Raymond]

Mobil 1 doesn't have one. Amsoil does I think...
I'm not going to race (this bike is a cruiser) so I don't need super 
protection, still I think this will give me more protection than 10w40 
conventional.

-Curt

--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 5:29 PM

All the WERA guys racing SV650's are using 15w40. Not sure about 5w40.

-Rolf

Curt Raymond wrote:
> Its too quiet today, this should stir things up...
> I'm in process changing the oil in my Kawasaki 454LTD. I'm gonna
fill it with Mobil 1 5w40 "Turbo Diesel Truck". LT Don's been
using 15w50 in his. I figure the TDT is at least as good as the 10w40 I've
been using and possibly better. Its not an "energy conserving" labeled
oil so I *shouldn't* (scary word) have trouble with the bike's wet
clutch. If this works out my Honda will get the same treatment at the next
change and I'll only stock 2 oils (5w40 for the cars and motorcycles, 10w30
for the pickup and small equipment, tractor, snowblower, etc) instead of 3.
> Need to find the regional distributor for Mobil 1 and see about a volume
discount. I buy 30 or so quarts a year... The guy at Autozone looks at me like
I'm crazy when I ask for a discount. One of these times I need to get ugly
about it. "look bub, I've bought 30 quarts of this stuff in the last 12
months..."
>
> -Curt
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil

[Rolf]

All the WERA guys racing SV650's are using 15w40. Not sure about 5w40.

-Rolf

Curt Raymond wrote:
> Its too quiet today, this should stir things up...
> I'm in process changing the oil in my Kawasaki 454LTD. I'm gonna fill it with 
> Mobil 1 5w40 "Turbo Diesel Truck". LT Don's been using 15w50 in his. I figure 
> the TDT is at least as good as the 10w40 I've been using and possibly better. 
> Its not an "energy conserving" labeled oil so I *shouldn't* (scary word) have 
> trouble with the bike's wet clutch. If this works out my Honda will get the 
> same treatment at the next change and I'll only stock 2 oils (5w40 for the 
> cars and motorcycles, 10w30 for the pickup and small equipment, tractor, 
> snowblower, etc) instead of 3.
> Need to find the regional distributor for Mobil 1 and see about a volume 
> discount. I buy 30 or so quarts a year... The guy at Autozone looks at me 
> like I'm crazy when I ask for a discount. One of these times I need to get 
> ugly about it. "look bub, I've bought 30 quarts of this stuff in the last 12 
> months..."
>
> -Curt
>
>
>
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[MBZ] OT: Motorcycle oil

[Curt Raymond]

Its too quiet today, this should stir things up...
I'm in process changing the oil in my Kawasaki 454LTD. I'm gonna fill it with 
Mobil 1 5w40 "Turbo Diesel Truck". LT Don's been using 15w50 in his. I figure 
the TDT is at least as good as the 10w40 I've been using and possibly better. 
Its not an "energy conserving" labeled oil so I *shouldn't* (scary word) have 
trouble with the bike's wet clutch. If this works out my Honda will get the 
same treatment at the next change and I'll only stock 2 oils (5w40 for the cars 
and motorcycles, 10w30 for the pickup and small equipment, tractor, snowblower, 
etc) instead of 3.
Need to find the regional distributor for Mobil 1 and see about a volume 
discount. I buy 30 or so quarts a year... The guy at Autozone looks at me like 
I'm crazy when I ask for a discount. One of these times I need to get ugly 
about it. "look bub, I've bought 30 quarts of this stuff in the last 12 
months..."

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] Avalon?

[R A Bennell]

I actually suggested she might like another one but she says not. They are 
basically just a fancy Camry. The older
ones were longer than a Camry but I am not sure that remains the case with the 
newer ones.

Lord knows what she will end up with. I thought last evening we had decided to 
check out some late model Chevy
Impalas but today at lunch that seems to have faded from her wish list. I guess 
time will tell.

Randy

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Avalon?


If you really want another, you can probably find them gathering dust at any
nursing home or retirement village since they seem to appeal to those waiting
for the final call. My next door neighbor lady is about eighty and I see her
creeping off to someplace every day. She's on her second one.

The hottest AWD car in western Washington is Subaru. They are all over the
place with several big dealers and I see lots of youngish women driving the
latest model. Lots cheaper than a Quattro, I suspect.

RLE



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Re: [MBZ] used belts?????

[Tom Hargrave]

Nothing wrong with sourcing used brake lines from a junkyard providing you
know how to inspect them for age and damage. After all, aren't the brake
lines on your Mercedes just as old and subject to failure?

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
 

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Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] used belts?

On another list there was serious discussion of sourcing brake hoses
(the rubber flex hoses) at a junkyard, so nothing surprises me after
that.

Allan
--
1983 300D (for sale)

"Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> it would be an odd practice given the cost of new belts.  continental,
> goodyear, gates, et al -- all darn good and pretty cheap!
> 
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Wilton Strickland
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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Curt Raymond]

http://home.gwi.net/~craymond/mercedes/mercedes.html

See the picture at the bottom of the page. I don't put stickers on my cars, 
this one came this way but I haven't taken it off yet...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 11:34:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mitch Marmel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook
To: Diesel List 
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--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> When I entered college I was an ardant Republican with my
> one issue as gun control. Now I'm a suffering moderate.
> I can't stand the Republican stand on abortion, oil
> drilling or war and can't handle the Democrat's
> stance on gun control, federal spending or vengeful
> enviromentalism.

Welcome to the Libertarian Party.  :D

-MMM-


  
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Re: [MBZ] What would you buy now?

[MG]

Ah! well then you do know what a VW heater feels like.

Manfred



Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 05:43:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] What would you buy now?


I've never had an old VW in the snow but would assume the superior
  traction is at least offset by freezing to death...
Of course there was that one time where the heater blower quit on the
  way to work at -15F...

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] used belts?????

[Rolf]

*speechless*.

I did get my second generation W126 front brake setup from a junkyard.
But for $12 per hose, I think I would go new.

-Rolf

Allan Streib wrote:
> On another list there was serious discussion of sourcing brake hoses
> (the rubber flex hoses) at a junkyard, so nothing surprises me after
> that.
>
> Allan
> --
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>
> "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
>   
>> it would be an odd practice given the cost of new belts.  continental,
>> goodyear, gates, et al -- all darn good and pretty cheap!
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Wilton Strickland
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Is someboidy kidding?  Is somebody buying/using used belts??  Only as last
>>> resort/emergency I hope.
>>>
>>> Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] used belts?????

[Allan Streib]

On another list there was serious discussion of sourcing brake hoses
(the rubber flex hoses) at a junkyard, so nothing surprises me after
that.

Allan
--
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"Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> it would be an odd practice given the cost of new belts.  continental,
> goodyear, gates, et al -- all darn good and pretty cheap!
> 
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Wilton Strickland
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
> > Is someboidy kidding?  Is somebody buying/using used belts??  Only as last
> > resort/emergency I hope.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] used belts?????

[Gary Hurst]

it would be an odd practice given the cost of new belts.  continental,
goodyear, gates, et al -- all darn good and pretty cheap!

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Wilton Strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Is someboidy kidding?  Is somebody buying/using used belts??  Only as last
> resort/emergency I hope.
>
> Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] ethnic language

[Wilton Strickland]

Ethnic?  What?  Teenagers, early 20's, etc.?  Ethnic?  How's that ethnic?
'Didn't mention anything ethnic.  'Just tired of hearing too many "likes"
and "you knows" from too many in general.

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] ethnic language


> > ...'Didn't include enough "you know," "like" and "well, like you
know."..
> >
> To his credit, I haven't heard him use the space filler "Ya know whut I'm
> sayin".
>
> RLE
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> **
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>
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[MBZ] used belts?????

[Wilton Strickland]

Is someboidy kidding?  Is somebody buying/using used belts??  Only as last
resort/emergency I hope.

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] ethnic language

[RELNGSON]

> ...'Didn't include enough "you know," "like" and "well, like you know."..
> 
To his credit, I haven't heard him use the space filler "Ya know whut I'm 
sayin".

RLE
> 
> 




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Re: [MBZ] Avalon?

[RELNGSON]

If you really want another, you can probably find them gathering dust at any 
nursing home or retirement village since they seem to appeal to those waiting 
for the final call. My next door neighbor lady is about eighty and I see her 
creeping off to someplace every day. She's on her second one.

The hottest AWD car in western Washington is Subaru. They are all over the 
place with several big dealers and I see lots of youngish women driving the 
latest model. Lots cheaper than a Quattro, I suspect.

RLE


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[MBZ] Nice looking Rials on Atl CL

[Rolf]

Offset Rials *nice* looking, no affil but I will act as an agent on
behalf of any list members.
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Re: [MBZ] used belts?

[RELNGSON]

> ...From what I've heard about using 'used' belts I will probably go with 
> new ones...
> 
Nobody will sell you used belts. 

And what you don't know is that belts in a wrecking yard could very well be 
stretched (that's what they do) and must be replaced if the car is repaired. 
Particularly if they are the self tightening type since that's a one time 
activation.

RLE
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Biden

[RELNGSON]

Whenever I see Biden on the tube these days, I check to see how his hair 
transplant is holding up. Looks almost natural, now.

Then I ignore him.

RLE


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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Mitch Marmel]

--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> When I entered college I was an ardant Republican with my
> one issue as gun control. Now I'm a suffering moderate.
> I can't stand the Republican stand on abortion, oil
> drilling or war and can't handle the Democrat's
> stance on gun control, federal spending or vengeful
> enviromentalism.

Welcome to the Libertarian Party.  :D

-MMM-


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Re: [MBZ] Spill timing an OM603

[harry watkins]

I forgot to discuss the injection lines.  If you are not too far off timing, 
they may give enough to let you change, otherwise some adjustments by slight 
bending will be required.  IIRC, again, its been awhile, I loosened both 
ends and the keepers but didn't remove anything and got away with it.


- Original Message - 
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Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Spill timing an OM603


> How would you do the timing using the lock tool? I guess the steps would 
> be
> 1. Remove IP ( do you need to remove Manifold and or oil filter housing?
> 2. Set IP to 15 deg BTDC using lock tool
> 3. Set engine to 15 deg BTDC
> 4. By playing with the timing adjustment screw get the pump to "slot in"
>
> Are my assumptions right?
> Peter
>
> 2008/9/10 John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> Peter Merle wrote:
>> > Do you have a link for the tool supplier?
>> > Have you tried  using the eyeball method described in the Haynes 
>> > MAnual?
>>
>> http://www.w124performance.com/images/tools/IP__RIV_tool.jpg
>>
>> Here is one of the other tools... you have to remove the IP to set the
>> timing using this method
>> http://www.w124performance.com/images/tools/IP__lock_tool.jpg
>>
>> Call Rusty.  Should be a number on the bottom of this email.
>>
>> Never heard of the eyeball method...  I'm hesitant to trust it from the
>> name, and the Haynes manual doesn't help much ;)
>>
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>> offlist for some more information on a 'discount'.
>>
>>
>> John
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[MBZ] painting

[Wilton Strickland]

'Bout six years ago I painted both rear guarter panels and narrow strip
between them across top of trunk and immediately behind rear window on my 81
300D with coupla spray cans from Tower Paint mixed to MB specs.  Color was
ivory (light yellow) like Wonko's I think.  Looked very good; excellent
match.

Witon


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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Luther]

But everyone knows a brass player kisses wa better.  DUH, Mr. Tuba! :)

Luther

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> Ah -- oboe. No doubt a good kisser given the mouth muscles required for
> playing that particular instrument.
>
> "If a kiss you need, go for the double-reed. "
>
> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>>> transferring in 1983 to North Idaho
>>> College
>>>   
>> My wife is currently the Oboe instructor at NIC.
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
>>
>> 
>
>
>   

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Re: [MBZ] Spill timing an OM603

[harry watkins]

Peter, this is from my experience on a 300 SDL.

IIRC, you set the engine to 15 deg BTDC then check the IP.  Actually, you 
can remove the timing plug and use a mirror to see the cam lug down the hole 
and pretty well tell how close you are, its like eyeballing down a tube and 
judging if the lug in the center.   Marshall said his SIL could hit it spot 
on without the tool.

To set IP timing,you loosen the three IP mounting bolts up front, plus the 
one in the rear.  Then using the adjusting screw on the IP, set the lug so 
it fits in the timing tool and tighten it all back up.

The back bolt is a pain, but can be done.

I did not trust the small adjusting screw to do all the work of moving the 
IP and helped it with a pry board as I took up slack.


- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Merle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Spill timing an OM603


> How would you do the timing using the lock tool? I guess the steps would 
> be
> 1. Remove IP ( do you need to remove Manifold and or oil filter housing?
> 2. Set IP to 15 deg BTDC using lock tool
> 3. Set engine to 15 deg BTDC
> 4. By playing with the timing adjustment screw get the pump to "slot in"
>
> Are my assumptions right?
> Peter
>
> 2008/9/10 John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> Peter Merle wrote:
>> > Do you have a link for the tool supplier?
>> > Have you tried  using the eyeball method described in the Haynes 
>> > MAnual?
>>
>> http://www.w124performance.com/images/tools/IP__RIV_tool.jpg
>>
>> Here is one of the other tools... you have to remove the IP to set the
>> timing using this method
>> http://www.w124performance.com/images/tools/IP__lock_tool.jpg
>>
>> Call Rusty.  Should be a number on the bottom of this email.
>>
>> Never heard of the eyeball method...  I'm hesitant to trust it from the
>> name, and the Haynes manual doesn't help much ;)
>>
>> BTW, you can call 1-800-4MERCEDES and you can get the official W124
>> service manuals mailed to you on CD.  Cost is about $75.  Contact me
>> offlist for some more information on a 'discount'.
>>
>>
>> John
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Spill timing an OM603

[Peter Merle]

why do you have to remove the fan though?
Peter

2008/9/10 John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Peter Merle wrote:
> > How would you do the timing using the lock tool? I guess the steps would
> be
> > 1. Remove IP ( do you need to remove Manifold and or oil filter housing?
> > 2. Set IP to 15 deg BTDC using lock tool
> > 3. Set engine to 15 deg BTDC
> > 4. By playing with the timing adjustment screw get the pump to "slot in"
> >
> > Are my assumptions right?
>
> Look like it to me!  The other thing is if you have any timing chain
> stretch you'll have to play with it some.  The other thing I don't know
> is how you actually check it.  I guess you set the engine to 15 ATDC and
> make sure the tool fits?  With the expensive tool it takes longer to
> remove the fan than it does to check the timing.
>
> John
>
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Re: [MBZ] Spill timing an OM603

[John Robbins]

Peter Merle wrote:
> How would you do the timing using the lock tool? I guess the steps would be
> 1. Remove IP ( do you need to remove Manifold and or oil filter housing?
> 2. Set IP to 15 deg BTDC using lock tool
> 3. Set engine to 15 deg BTDC
> 4. By playing with the timing adjustment screw get the pump to "slot in"
> 
> Are my assumptions right?

Look like it to me!  The other thing is if you have any timing chain 
stretch you'll have to play with it some.  The other thing I don't know 
is how you actually check it.  I guess you set the engine to 15 ATDC and 
make sure the tool fits?  With the expensive tool it takes longer to 
remove the fan than it does to check the timing.

John


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Re: [MBZ] Spill timing an OM603

[Peter Merle]

How would you do the timing using the lock tool? I guess the steps would be
1. Remove IP ( do you need to remove Manifold and or oil filter housing?
2. Set IP to 15 deg BTDC using lock tool
3. Set engine to 15 deg BTDC
4. By playing with the timing adjustment screw get the pump to "slot in"

Are my assumptions right?
Peter

2008/9/10 John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Peter Merle wrote:
> > Do you have a link for the tool supplier?
> > Have you tried  using the eyeball method described in the Haynes MAnual?
>
> http://www.w124performance.com/images/tools/IP__RIV_tool.jpg
>
> Here is one of the other tools... you have to remove the IP to set the
> timing using this method
> http://www.w124performance.com/images/tools/IP__lock_tool.jpg
>
> Call Rusty.  Should be a number on the bottom of this email.
>
> Never heard of the eyeball method...  I'm hesitant to trust it from the
> name, and the Haynes manual doesn't help much ;)
>
> BTW, you can call 1-800-4MERCEDES and you can get the official W124
> service manuals mailed to you on CD.  Cost is about $75.  Contact me
> offlist for some more information on a 'discount'.
>
>
> John
>
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Re: [MBZ] Kaleb special

[andrew strasfogel]

Not bad if it includes the new drive train...  Why aren't you all over this
one, Kaleb?

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Re: [MBZ] O/T VW Beatle Heat

[Tom Hargrave]

These days, the same car in good condition will set you back about $4500.00.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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 I had a 1966 new Bug

1) Always carried a salt shake; Good on burgers or defrosting windscreen.

2) I put an old 6V Dodge heater motor under the rear seat.  It made lots of
noise.  My Dad called it my "Psychological Heater"

3) At 70mph, the heater would drive you out of it!

My only grief with that car was 6V, hard starting, lights turn signals all
suffered from low voltage.

It spent it's last few years with a home built 1600cc engine.  It's favorite
prey was BMC Sprites & MGs.

I could do a clutch in about 2 hours (Shade Tree) and one 6 pack.

Those were the days..

Pete


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Re: [MBZ] Spill timing an OM603

[John Robbins]

Peter Merle wrote:
> Do you have a link for the tool supplier?
> Have you tried  using the eyeball method described in the Haynes MAnual?

http://www.w124performance.com/images/tools/IP__RIV_tool.jpg

Here is one of the other tools... you have to remove the IP to set the 
timing using this method
http://www.w124performance.com/images/tools/IP__lock_tool.jpg

Call Rusty.  Should be a number on the bottom of this email.

Never heard of the eyeball method...  I'm hesitant to trust it from the 
name, and the Haynes manual doesn't help much ;)

BTW, you can call 1-800-4MERCEDES and you can get the official W124 
service manuals mailed to you on CD.  Cost is about $75.  Contact me 
offlist for some more information on a 'discount'.


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Re: [MBZ] Spill timing an OM603

[Peter Merle]

Do you have a link for the tool supplier?
Have you tried  using the eyeball method described in the Haynes MAnual?
Peter

2008/9/10 John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Peter Merle wrote:
> > Can one time an OM603 using the spill timing method? If so what are the
> specs.
>
> Not to my knowledge.  I don't think there are any specs posted... which
> is a good part of the reason.
>
> The only way I know to do it is using a nearly $300 tool.  There are two
> other ways, but they required a lot more time and effort.  So I bought
> the tool and was done with it.
>
> John
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Re: [MBZ] Spill timing an OM603

[John Robbins]

Peter Merle wrote:
> Can one time an OM603 using the spill timing method? If so what are the specs.

Not to my knowledge.  I don't think there are any specs posted... which 
is a good part of the reason.

The only way I know to do it is using a nearly $300 tool.  There are two 
other ways, but they required a lot more time and effort.  So I bought 
the tool and was done with it.

John


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[MBZ] Spill timing an OM603

[Peter Merle]

Can one time an OM603 using the spill timing method? If so what are the specs.
Thanks
Peter

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Re: [MBZ] What would you buy now?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:01 AM, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tread composition and tread pattern both have a huge impact on snow.
>
> Nothing but studs works on ice.

Nonsense.  Bridgestone made studded tires obsolete with the first
Blizzak 10 years ago.  Michelin copied their design and improved on
it, and the best ice (and snow) tire now available is probably the
Michelin X-Ice.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] What would you buy now?

[R A Bennell]

I agree but it was her car and she already told them she would take it. They 
will have a cheque in a couple of days
we are told.

Randy

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Randy wrote: "Well, it is now official, I guess. We need another car. The 
insurance appraiser stopped looking after
he had tallied up over $9K in repair costs. They have offered us $9,095 for the 
car which I think is probably fair.
The car was really nice but also 10 years old."

Don't take their first offer.  Get up to $9500. It will make you feel better to 
ding an insurance company for a few
hundred dollars.

Donald H. Snook
1990 240DL 138k
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Re: [MBZ] What would you buy now?

[R A Bennell]

The best "deal" for the money right now appears to be a reasonably late model 
Chevy Impala or Pontiac Grand Prix or
Grand Am or whatever they call it. I see 2005 models advertised with 25K miles 
on them for $12K or so. Hard to beat
for size and price. Would also be similar in size to the Avalon that she had.

She only drives something like 600 miles per month and pretty well all of that 
is in the city. I think the Avalon
was as far away as Fargo ND once in the 5 years we had it. Her cars usually 
rust before the mechanicals wear out.
There may be an advantage to the Toyota on that issue as the 98 Avalon showed 
no signs of rust and was 10 years
old. By way of comparison, my 02 F150 shows a bit of rust in the bottom of the 
doors already.

She would be happy enough with an Accord or Camry but they want silly prices 
for used ones. If we do decide to buy
new it will probably be a Civic. Probably won't buy new though. I have had only 
2 new cars in my whole life and did
not find them any more satisfying that my used cars.

We have talked about small SUV's like RAV4 and CRV but again very pricy for 
what one gets and used market is still
very expensive.

Not many Ford 500's around here. I don't think many were sold. It is a rare 
sight on the road. I like the look of
the Buick Lucerne but expensive -might as well buy a Cadillac. Seems to be lots 
of those used. Probably not what we
want or need though.

Not may Mitsubushi's around here either. I see the odd one but could not tell 
you if there is a dealer anywhere
close. Friends have an Audi that they quite like.

Lots of choices out there. She will want to do something quickly though and 
will not truly care what it is so long
as it is reliable.

We bought the Avalon after a Taurus and a Sable. The Sable caused a lot of 
small problems and she complained
bitterly about it. We bought the Avalon in an effort to move up but it has 
caused its share of small problems too.
The basic body is very good and we had no major problems with the drive train 
but there were issues and some were
not resolved when it got wrecked. At least I don't have to work on it in the 
next month. I was wondering how I was
going to get it all done and now I won't have to. It was due for a timing belt 
and the steering rack needed to be
repaired or replaced. It leaked in cold weather - fine in the summer but left 
puddles in the garage all winter.
Also was due for a change of the tranny fluid and the antifreeze. Had bought 
both but hadn't done it yet. Also had
issues in  the climate control system. Something was not right as it tended to 
fog the windows in the cold
weather - probably related to the door that would cause it to recirculate the 
interior air not opening.

So the silver lining is that I didn't have to work on this stuff. The bad side 
is that I put $1100 worth of new
struts on it about a month ago and new rotors and pads on the back brakes about 
2 weeks ago.

It had nice clean Mobil 1 in the crankcase so someone out there should get a 
nice replacement motor to drop into a
Camry.

Randy

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On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 12:39 PM, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> She is fine so that is the most important thing


Glad to hear no injuries involved, here.

Sort of lost on what to buy as a replacement however. Anyone with a crystal
> ball out there? Fuel mileage keeps coming to the forefront on our thoughts.
> A Honda Civic maybe? Don't really like small cars but most of her driving is
> very close to home so that might be alright. Don't want to spend a fortune
> but she will not be happy with any sort of a fixer upper so it has to be
> something relatively new.
>
> Randy


Unfortunately, a car is a fairly personal thing. Without knowing more about
you, your wife, your family and the wants, desires and needs of said
persons, no crystal ball in the world can really help. So we have to turn
the question around a little bit, and ask it from the other direction.

In my opinion, I wouldn't own a GM product of any recent vintage. They are
uninspired, also rans trying to keep up with other companies without the
same soul. The Ford Five Hundred is a decent car, and has ok fit and finish
for an American sedan and is available in AWD. Though, I wouldn't want a
Focus or an Edge. Chrysler actually has, again in my opinion, the best
American sedan right now in the Chrysler 300 / Dodge Charger. The Big Three,
as you can see, has way too short a list. One of the many, many reasons they
are struggling so hard right now.

Turning to Germany we have the obvious in Mercedes-Benz, as well as BMW
sedans, but may not be in the proper price point for a recent vehicle to be
worth consideration. As well as the drop in build quality of all auto
manufacturers due to economic concerns without

Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[Rich Thomas]

http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/2073071/revolution-you-can-believe-in.html
 


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Re: [MBZ] What would you buy now?

[R A Bennell]

98 Toyota Avalon - something failed in the braking systems and my wife 
clobbered a bollard. 

Randy

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I guess I missed it, what car are we talking about, what happened to it?

R A Bennell wrote:
> Well, it is now official, I guess. We need another car. The insurance 
> appraiser stopped looking after he had
> tallied up over $9K in repair costs. They have offered us $9,095 for the car 
> which I think is probably fair. The
> car was really nice but also 10 years old.
> 
> Randy
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[John Robbins]

Curt Raymond wrote:
> I graduated a scant 9 years ago and I can tell you that at that time
>  the little state college I went to here in the bluest of blue states
>  pushed us to think. When I wrote position papers I usually took a 
> view contrary to the professors because it usually made the paper 
> easier to write (and generally enjoy being contrary). I got decent 
> grades or they were at least in line with the effort I put into the 
> class. I was never pushed to accept any dogma of any kind.

Graduated a year ago  same story here.

> The thing that bothers me most about both sides is the "if you're not
> with us you're against us" mentality which has no point in a
> political landscape based on compromise...

No kidding!  The bad thing is that its not just the party leaders... 
I'm probably a little guilty in this regard though.

John


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Re: [MBZ] Obama and political gobbeldegook

[John Robbins]

LarryT wrote:
> we'll probably disagree here but I want my kinds to adopt my values not some 
> guy I;m paying to teach history..  Religion is faith based - there's often 
> no logic to it and no one will find "evidence" that Jesus died on a Cross.

There are actually quite a few logical arguments for it.  I'm not well 
educated on it, but remember that you can't prove or disprove any 
religion.

> IMO, it doesn't have anything to do with teaching  the kids to think.  it's 
> about breaking down their belief systems.

Seriously, whats wrong with that?  If their believe system is so easy to 
break down that a history teacher can destroy it (I think a philosophy 
teacher would be more likely, and that *is* what he's supposed to do), 
they never really believed their faith to begin with.

John


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Re: [MBZ] 190D status

[Jim Cathey]

I measured the resistance of the shock absorber (strut) according to
the book.  (Push rod in 84mm while on spring scale noting 'weight'
while holding it at this extension.  Should read 280+/-30 N when new,
170 N minimum.  Also note 'weight' required to push rod in 50mm at a
100mm/minute rate, should be 320 N or 450 N depending on model.  The
equivalent pull value should be 740 N or 1150 N.)

Well, it failed, big surprise.  I measured about 12# either way I
conducted the push test.  At 1 Newton = 0.225 pounds force that's
53N!  The pull resistance was more, but the push value is so low that
it's not worth the effort of measuring.  Time to order new.

-- Jim


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[MBZ] O/T VW Beatle Heat

[pm7088]

 I had a 1966 new Bug

1) Always carried a salt shake; Good on burgers or defrosting windscreen.

2) I put an old 6V Dodge heater motor under the rear seat.  It made lots of 
noise.  My Dad called it my "Psychological Heater"

3) At 70mph, the heater would drive you out of it!

My only grief with that car was 6V, hard starting, lights turn signals all 
suffered from low voltage.

It spent it's last few years with a home built 1600cc engine.  It's favorite 
prey was BMC Sprites & MGs.

I could do a clutch in about 2 hours (Shade Tree) and one 6 pack.

Those were the days..

Pete


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[MBZ] Seat Belts

[LarryT]

Need to replace the driver's seat belt in my 91 3000D -

Has anyone found a good supplier?  From what I've heard about using 'used' 
belts I will probably go with new ones.

Take Care,
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[MBZ] Kaleb special

[Rich Thomas]

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/833483546.html

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