Re: [MBZ] your government at its absolute finest

[OK Don]

Just like in every other walk of life, there are the good, the bad,
and the over zealous. You got the bad and the over zealous all in one
- hit the jackpot as it were. Find the worker's house, turn them in
for city code violations.

>
> i am, of course, fuming over this underhanded exercise.  to do this to an 11
> year old child is unreal ( is this what it means that it takes a village to
> raise a child?).  i also find it interesting that this is done 1 on 1 with
> no other adult present, with no video or audio.  just the caseworker and the
> child.  (interestingly enough, there was another case worker who came there,
> but she couldn't stay as "she had to take care of hte car").  i guess it
> would be naive to say that i am shocked at how this is the way our
> government rolls in teh "child protection" area, but i really feel attacked
> here and would like to counter attack, both as this is an evil and for my
> own personal satisfaction.  any thoughts?

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Re: [MBZ] 190D Tires

[OK Don]

Check to see if they're 'out of round' -- can't balance that out.

> I don't have the tools to do it myself, nor do I particularly want to...
>  Although it would be nice to have balanced tires at the moment.  These
> tires start acting funny somewhere above 45mph. At higher speeds (80+ mph)
> they smooth out, but they certainly aren't as smooth as the old ones.  Those
> were smooth all the way up to the speed limiter... and I'm going to pester
> the tire place till these new tires are. Or get new ones from Tirerack.
>
> John


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Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores

[OK Don]

OK - I used to deal with them (both) when I was a working pro - but
that was at least 15 years ago, and things can change. Glad to hear
that they haven't. I even visited B&H when in NYC once - it's not just
a mail order store - lots of displays, people running around all over
the place to help you. Talked quite awhile with one older man about my
Linhof 8X10, though he didn't have what I needed.
Yes - KEH always graded their stuff lower than I would have. Must of
my Leica accessories came from them.

I need to sell some of this old stuff to help pay for the D700 - OK, I
need to sell most of it - it's just sitting here, and isn't worth much
anymore.
I traded my last Mamiya stuff for my first hard drive - a 20MB ST225.
I did sell most of the Hassy gear before the bottom fell out of the
film camera market though.

>
> B&H Photo Video, a mail order house in NY.
>
> I'm a professional photographer, among other things, and I order all my
> stuff from them. Great prices, great service.
>
> For used equipment, KEH in atlanta. Ditto.
>
> Dan

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Re: [MBZ] 190D Tires

[Mitch Haley]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

what do you have them installed on?


1997 Olds underAchieva, 2.4L twincam. I put a muffler and the tires on within a 
week of each other, seemed to drop a mpg or two. I did a roll test from the top 
of the freeway ramp about 3/4 mile from town, at 32psi I dropped from 50 mph at 
the top to 37 mph at the city limits with the old tires, with the Altimax I was 
doing 33-34. With the Altimax at 42, it's still rolling 37-38 at the city limits.


Never again got quite the same mpg as the first couple of weeks I owned the car, 
I think replacing the muffler with the fist sized hole in it cost me mileage. 
Should have saved my money and had a straight pipe made for it instead of buying 
a custom fit Walker muffler. (factory muffler was $400, Walker was $80, straight 
pipe would have been $20)


Mitch


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Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores

[Wilton Strickland]

Yep

Wilton

- Original Message -
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> He is the sociopath who forgot about, you're the one who has been fuming.
>
> Funny how that works.
>
> --R
>
> Wilton Strickland wrote:
> > I was fool enough to let the SOB get away with it.  I hope he has been
> > rotting in HELL for many years.
> >
> > Wilton
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores
> >
> >
> >
> >> Wilton Strickland wrote:
> >>
> >>> I asked the salesman, "Where's the $100 I gave you
> >>> yesterday afternoon?"  The SOB replied, "What $100?"
> >>>
> >> So how many months did he take his liquid diet through a straw?
> >> I can't imagine anybody convicting you of battery in the 1950s, at
least
> >>
> > not in
> >
> >> civilian court.
> >>
> >> Mitch.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT, bordering on politics

[andrew strasfogel]

Mitch needs another time out.

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Rich Thomas <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mitch you are such a buzz killer.
>
> --R
>
>
> Mitch Haley wrote:
>
>> Joe The Plumber, meet Cliff The Chef:
>>
>> http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/news/0811/gallery.real_people_obama_plan/index.html
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Re: [MBZ] Cameras

[andrew strasfogel]

Actually,I think it's patriotic to pay taxes.

Disclaimer:  I felt this way long before Joe Biden's statement in the heat
of the campaign.  Therefore, this should not be regarded as a political
statement.

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> Always the dreamer. andrew
>
> At 01:40 PM 11/12/2008, you wrote:
>
>> I'm looking forward to my tax cut,
>>
>
> Loren Faeth
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Re: [MBZ] Daimler V250

[OK Don]

We had a Daimler SP250 at the garage I worked in during college - it
had a cracked dent in the drivers door, and a freeze induced crack in
the intake manifold. I didn't have the cash - another employee bought
it, fixed it up, and doubled his money in a month.

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:41 AM, Frederick W Moir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gerry, and Cohorts.
>Daimler SP250 is the car that I most drooled over when I was in the
> UK. The Lady next door had an A.C Cobra and an SP. I thought she was too old
> to drive such cars, she may have been 40, not old from my present point of
> view! I owned a Mini and wanted, lusted after, a real sports car. A V8
> sexy/slippery looking sports car for me!
> Jeeez, I'm getting old!
> Fred Moir
> Lynn MA

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Re: [MBZ] 190D Tires

[John Robbins]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
I used my bubble balancer on mine, smooth up to about 70, think as fast 
as I got up to.  Probably fine for older cars but a new one like yours 
probably needs to be spin balanced.


I don't have the tools to do it myself, nor do I particularly want to... 
 Although it would be nice to have balanced tires at the moment.  These 
tires start acting funny somewhere above 45mph. At higher speeds (80+ 
mph) they smooth out, but they certainly aren't as smooth as the old 
ones.  Those were smooth all the way up to the speed limiter... and I'm 
going to pester the tire place till these new tires are. Or get new ones 
from Tirerack.


John


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[MBZ] your government at its absolute finest

[Gary Hurst]

my ex wife is a distasteful hysteric who gives nothing and always wants
more, more and more.  it's not a great thing, but no real rarity either.  my
kid doesn't like her very much, so rather than try to pacify mom so she will
go away, she pushes every button she can to get her mother totally over the
top.  one thing my kid likes to do is simple and absolute defiance.

the ex wife is having people over for thanksgiving and the kid simply will
not clean her room.  this has been going on for nearly 3 weeks.  i am
enlisted to provide support.  i show up, try to get hte kid to do anything,
she does little, so i announce my failure and offer to leave hanging my head
in shame.

ex wife doesn't like this idea.  she insists i stay and continue to
contribute.  she and kid get into typical shouting match.  i suggest they
both stfu.  they ignore me and i play with cat.  during this, ex wife picks
up my yoda walking stick and whacks kid across the arm with it.  kid doesn't
like this one bit and walks off sulking in anger.

after this episode, kid cooperates with me a little and room gets cleaner.
caning works!  kid is still really pissed off.  we go back to my house and
go do some homework.  then we go back to mother house where kid goes to
sleep.

next day i get call from school saying that i have to come right away to
pick kid up as she is scared to go to her mother's house.  hmmm, well, seems
an odd request in the middle of the day, but what can i do?  i am told kid
is walking around complaining that her arm hurt and when asked why this was,
she proceeded to explain that her mom hit her with a stick.  then all hell
breaks loose. she is quizzed by everyone about this incident and asked if
she was afraid to go home to her mother.  she says "yeah, sure, i'd rather
go to my dad's house" (because i'm a lot more interesting and
entertaining).  so i get the call to pick her up immediately and to have no
contact with her mother, to which i explain that of course i'm going to tell
her mother about this.

the school tells me that they are going to convene an emergency meeting
regarding this matter at 8:30 the next morning.  me, the ex, the school cop,
the principal and a school counselor are there.  the school cop starts by
explaining to the ex how it's against hte law to hit hte kid with a stick
and she ought not do that or there will be trouble for her.  the ex says
that she understands that, regrets teh incident and assures him it will
never happen again.  the school administrators then basically explain that
they know abby and understand why she got hit by a stick as she is among the
most difficult children they have ever seen.  then the cop calls my kid in
and explains that if she keeps behaving this way he will personally handcuff
her and take her to the juvenile court.  he urges her mother to call the
cops if this should happen again rather than using the stick.

one would think this was a pretty wise working out of the issue.  abby ought
not disrespect her mother and her mother may not hit abby with a stick.  if
either doesn't hold up their end, joe lawman will be on them like white on
rice.  kid goes back to class, cop leaves and the lizard (ex) and the two
female school administrators discuss using "mr sticky" on kids and conclude
that this is all probably my fault because i suck.  outnumbered, i willingly
take the fall and say i'll be more disciplinarian in teh future.

today, this peace may have been shattered when an agent of the gwinnett
county department of family and children's services shows up to interview
young abby about her child abuse case.  abby does not have a mark on her
(which is funny as you'd expect someone who has been beaten with a stick to
show considerable injury) and spent the night before at her mother's house
without fear, so one might think this would be a formality.  instead she is
grilled one on one for 45 minutes by the case worker, being told that the
dfcs agent knows that she has been severely abused and beaten and that abby
will not be allowed to go home until she admits this to be the case, even if
it takes all night long.  at this point, abby doesn't know what the hell to
do, but she continues to say that these allegations are untrue and she will
therefore be unwilling to testify to this effect.  after 45 minutes of
constant interrogation, the school counselor walked in and todl abby she was
about to miss her school bus.  abby took the opportunity and bolted out.

i am, of course, fuming over this underhanded exercise.  to do this to an 11
year old child is unreal ( is this what it means that it takes a village to
raise a child?).  i also find it interesting that this is done 1 on 1 with
no other adult present, with no video or audio.  just the caseworker and the
child.  (interestingly enough, there was another case worker who came there,
but she couldn't stay as "she had to take care of hte car").  i guess it
would be naive to say that i am shocked at how this is the way our
govern

Re: [MBZ] I am in a buying freeze

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

No, just trying to get caught up bring the projects to a more managable 
level.


Wonko the Sane wrote:

I sense a Regina ultimatum.

Debbie was proactive in that regard.

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:


I am absolutely NOT buying anymore cars until I get the ones I have now
substantially thinned down.  In fact, Im probably going to be just selling
alot of project cars that I am not going to have time to get to in the near
future, and maybe even some parts cars.  Im trying to cure my sickness
somewhat, in fact, Im not even going to look at ebay or craigslist.  I know
if I look, I will find something to buy.
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 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] 190D Tires

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I used my bubble balancer on mine, smooth up to about 70, think as fast 
as I got up to.  Probably fine for older cars but a new one like yours 
probably needs to be spin balanced.


John Robbins wrote:

Mitch Haley wrote:

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
I was ordering some new tires for the ex Kaleb/Dr 
Dan/Kaleb/John/Gene/now Kaleb again 190D and usually look at Kumho;s, 
but in the size for that car these General Altimax tires had better 
ratings, longer warranty, and were a little cheaper so I ordered them. 


I just put those on my CDI...  they ride really nice except the *&$# 
tire shop can't balance them right.  Going back for try #3 once I get 
back in the state.  If they can't get it right after that going to ask 
for some money back or figure out if it's a bad tire.



They've got nifty alignment indicators at the edges of the tread.
Take a look at them every time you fill up with gas and see if all the 
little marks wear off at the same time. I just remembered to check 
mine at 2200 miles, the shallow alignment marks are all gone and the 
deep ones are all still there, so I missed the first indication.

http://www.generaltire.com/technology/VAI.php


Sweet!  Thanks for the tip.

John


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Re: [MBZ] 190D Tires

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

what do you have them installed on?

Mitch Haley wrote:

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
I have the RT's.  Didnt know about the alignment indicators.  Thats 
cool.  So you have them, how do you like them?


I've got the HPs. Stick much better than the crap that was on the car, 
but rolling resistance went up with the new tires. I don't know if it's 
from the new tires not being worn thin like the old ones or if the inner 
cushion rubber raises rolling resistance. As long as I keep pressure 
over 40psi the car rolls OK, but rides a bit harsh. There was a $50 Visa 
gift card rebate this summer, so after rebate I paid about $45 each plus 
shipping. Can't beat that for H-rated 15" tires.
Some of the reviews I read seemed to think the RTs got a little hard and 
lost grip in really cold weather, so I paid an extra $4 per tire (and 
gave up some treadwear rating) for the HPs. I have not made the tires 
howl or complain since I got the HPs, and I've done some pretty hard 
cornering.


Mitch.


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 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] junker

[Rich Thomas]

I used to get those for whatever reason, mostly on the POS 86 Cherokee I 
had that ran like a log truck, and spewed about as much crap.  The 
engine bay was something a plumber could love though.


--R

Curt Raymond wrote:

Seems like the big red "R" on the inspection sticker is a clue.

When you fail you get a rejected sticker. Its probably going to fail for the 
parking brake. He might fail me for the upper ball joints too although I don't 
think the joints are loose yet, but the boots are torn and the UCA bushings are 
gross. I don't *think* he'll fail me for the rear shock thats soft. Its not bad 
like an American car would get but way worse than the others. Replacements for 
the UCAs and shocks are on order. I'll fix 'em and get it reinspected pronto.

Sure wish I knew everything like you do though. Life must be so simple.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:59:20 EST
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Once it fails inspection I have 60 days to try again but I can't
legally drive it an inch from the inspection station once it fails. In 
practice

I'm sure I can drive it home and if I'm pulled over I could talk my way
out of a ticket...


If this car is so terrible that a cop can tell it's not roadworthy just by 
looking at it, why are you driving it at all?


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[MBZ] Daimler 250 V8

[tom tomscat]

  Hi Fred and Gerry,
I believe the car you saw was the Daimler 250 V8, basically a tarted up version 
of the Jaguar Mark II (fancier fluting on the chrome, etc).  
That car had the same Hemi V8 that Daimler put in the SP250.  Jaguar bought 
Daimler in the early 60's, and eventually deep-sixed 
that V8 rather than have it compete with the vaunted Jaguar 6.  Jag continued 
to use the Daimler badge for its premier models through the 80's,
eventually morphing into the Van Den Plas and later the Sovereign (Majestic 
in the UK), I believe.  It continued to give these models the highest level of 
trim, 
including the aforementioned distinctive fluted chrome on the 'bonnet' and the 
'boot'.  The famous Jaguar 5.2L V12 appeared in the Jaguar Daimler 
models as the Daimler Double Six. 
That Daimler Hemi that you saw is a very rare bird in the US.  Was it for sale, 
by any chance?  :)

Google: Daimler 250 V8, instead of V250.
http://www.daimler-v8.co.uk/history.htm

Tom Schuch
1975 300D
SE Conn USA


Subject: Re: [MBZ] Daimler V250
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   Daimler SP250 is the car that I most drooled over when I was 
in the UK. The Lady next door had an A.C Cobra and an SP. I thought 
she was too old to drive such cars, she may have been 40, not old 
from my present point of view! I owned a Mini and wanted, lusted 
after, a real sports car. A V8 sexy/slippery looking sports car for me!
Jeeez, I'm getting old!
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
 
At 11:43 PM 11/11/2008, you wrote:
>Saw a Daimler V250 in perfect condition at hardware store parking 
>lot today if anyones interested.  Didn't get a chance to talk to 
>owner.  Custom tag read "NOTAJAG".  It looked like a Jag from a 
>distance.  Didn't pull up anything specific about it on Google.
>Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores

[Rich Thomas]

He is the sociopath who forgot about, you're the one who has been fuming.

Funny how that works.

--R

Wilton Strickland wrote:

I was fool enough to let the SOB get away with it.  I hope he has been
rotting in HELL for many years.

Wilton

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Wilton Strickland wrote:


I asked the salesman, "Where's the $100 I gave you
yesterday afternoon?"  The SOB replied, "What $100?"
  

So how many months did he take his liquid diet through a straw?
I can't imagine anybody convicting you of battery in the 1950s, at least


not in
  

civilian court.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Do I need

[Jim Cathey]

Do I need jackstands to do the diff on my 190D or could I do it from 
ramps?


Can't really do it from ramps, because the wheels usually
have to come off to liberate the axle shafts.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] I am in a buying freeze

[Wonko the Sane]

I sense a Regina ultimatum.

Debbie was proactive in that regard.

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> I am absolutely NOT buying anymore cars until I get the ones I have now
> substantially thinned down.  In fact, Im probably going to be just selling
> alot of project cars that I am not going to have time to get to in the near
> future, and maybe even some parts cars.  Im trying to cure my sickness
> somewhat, in fact, Im not even going to look at ebay or craigslist.  I know
> if I look, I will find something to buy.
> --
> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>  92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
>  87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
>  84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
> http://www.okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] 190D Tires

[John Robbins]

Mitch Haley wrote:
I've got the HPs. Stick much better than the crap that was on the car, 
but rolling resistance went up with the new tires. I don't know if it's 
from the new tires not being worn thin like the old ones or if the inner 
cushion rubber raises rolling resistance. As long as I keep pressure 
over 40psi the car rolls OK, but rides a bit harsh. 


I need to check the PSI in mine, but I haven't really noticed a large 
MPG drop on the highway.  Maybe ~1mpg at most. My city mpg is horrible 
since it's mostly short trips... so can't really tell.


John


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Re: [MBZ] 190D Tires

[John Robbins]

Mitch Haley wrote:

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
I was ordering some new tires for the ex Kaleb/Dr 
Dan/Kaleb/John/Gene/now Kaleb again 190D and usually look at Kumho;s, 
but in the size for that car these General Altimax tires had better 
ratings, longer warranty, and were a little cheaper so I ordered them. 


I just put those on my CDI...  they ride really nice except the *&$# 
tire shop can't balance them right.  Going back for try #3 once I get 
back in the state.  If they can't get it right after that going to ask 
for some money back or figure out if it's a bad tire.



They've got nifty alignment indicators at the edges of the tread.
Take a look at them every time you fill up with gas and see if all the 
little marks wear off at the same time. I just remembered to check mine 
at 2200 miles, the shallow alignment marks are all gone and the deep 
ones are all still there, so I missed the first indication.

http://www.generaltire.com/technology/VAI.php


Sweet!  Thanks for the tip.

John


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Re: [MBZ] junker

[Curt Raymond]

Seems like the big red "R" on the inspection sticker is a clue.

When you fail you get a rejected sticker. Its probably going to fail for the 
parking brake. He might fail me for the upper ball joints too although I don't 
think the joints are loose yet, but the boots are torn and the UCA bushings are 
gross. I don't *think* he'll fail me for the rear shock thats soft. Its not bad 
like an American car would get but way worse than the others. Replacements for 
the UCAs and shocks are on order. I'll fix 'em and get it reinspected pronto.

Sure wish I knew everything like you do though. Life must be so simple.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:59:20 EST
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> Once it fails inspection I have 60 days to try again but I can't
> legally drive it an inch from the inspection station once it fails. In 
> practice
> I'm sure I can drive it home and if I'm pulled over I could talk my way
> out of a ticket...
> 
If this car is so terrible that a cop can tell it's not roadworthy just by 
looking at it, why are you driving it at all?

RLE



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Crown Vic/Grand Marquis

[Curt Raymond]

Geez and here I was thinking I must be crazy, I went on craigs today and 
couldn't find ANY SDs. I did find an SDL with a blown motor for over $1000, 
thats crazy.

-Curt

--- On Wed, 11/12/08, Kevin Kraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Crown Vic/Grand Marquis
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 5:33 PM

The 126 market seems to be in the toilet. $2000 looks to buy a pretty nice car.

Totally true!  My 1983 300SD isn't worth too much more than the $1300 I
paid for it even though it now has a new lower right ball joint, all new brakes,
new exhaust header, and way better front seats.  I would have to spend more to
fix the pached-up non-leaking radiator, dead AC compressor, and dead lock pump
than I would get back from the sale of the car.

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula 



  
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Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores

[Wilton Strickland]

I was fool enough to let the SOB get away with it.  I hope he has been
rotting in HELL for many years.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores


> Wilton Strickland wrote:
> > I asked the salesman, "Where's the $100 I gave you
> > yesterday afternoon?"  The SOB replied, "What $100?"
>
> So how many months did he take his liquid diet through a straw?
> I can't imagine anybody convicting you of battery in the 1950s, at least
not in
> civilian court.
>
> Mitch.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 190D Tires

[Mitch Haley]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
I have the RT's.  Didnt know about the alignment indicators.  Thats 
cool.  So you have them, how do you like them?


I've got the HPs. Stick much better than the crap that was on the car, but 
rolling resistance went up with the new tires. I don't know if it's from the new 
tires not being worn thin like the old ones or if the inner cushion rubber 
raises rolling resistance. As long as I keep pressure over 40psi the car rolls 
OK, but rides a bit harsh. There was a $50 Visa gift card rebate this summer, so 
after rebate I paid about $45 each plus shipping. Can't beat that for H-rated 
15" tires.
Some of the reviews I read seemed to think the RTs got a little hard and lost 
grip in really cold weather, so I paid an extra $4 per tire (and gave up some 
treadwear rating) for the HPs. I have not made the tires howl or complain since 
I got the HPs, and I've done some pretty hard cornering.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] 190D Tires

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I have the RT's.  Didnt know about the alignment indicators.  Thats 
cool.  So you have them, how do you like them?


Mitch Haley wrote:

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
I was ordering some new tires for the ex Kaleb/Dr 
Dan/Kaleb/John/Gene/now Kaleb again 190D and usually look at Kumho;s, 
but in the size for that car these General Altimax tires had better 
ratings, longer warranty, and were a little cheaper so I ordered them. 


Altimax HP?
Blow them up to 51psi if the ride is too soft.
Altimax RT are usually rated for 44psi.

They've got nifty alignment indicators at the edges of the tread.
Take a look at them every time you fill up with gas and see if all the 
little marks wear off at the same time. I just remembered to check mine 
at 2200 miles, the shallow alignment marks are all gone and the deep 
ones are all still there, so I missed the first indication.

http://www.generaltire.com/technology/VAI.php



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 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] I am in a buying freeze

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

hahahahahahahaha.  Im probably going to start getting the shakes soon.

Tom Hargrave wrote:

But, but, but - I have a car for you.

You only need to drive over and meet me in a dark trailer park just after
dark. Sorry, but I'll have to leave shortly after you arrive & pay and won't
be able to help load...

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
 
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Subject: [MBZ] I am in a buying freeze

I am absolutely NOT buying anymore cars until I get the ones I have now 
substantially thinned down.  In fact, Im probably going to be just 
selling alot of project cars that I am not going to have time to get to 
in the near future, and maybe even some parts cars.  Im trying to cure 
my sickness somewhat, in fact, Im not even going to look at ebay or 
craigslist.  I know if I look, I will find something to buy.






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 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
http://www.okiebenz.com

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Re: [MBZ] 190D Tires

[Mitch Haley]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
I was ordering some new tires for the ex Kaleb/Dr 
Dan/Kaleb/John/Gene/now Kaleb again 190D and usually look at Kumho;s, 
but in the size for that car these General Altimax tires had better 
ratings, longer warranty, and were a little cheaper so I ordered them. 


Altimax HP?
Blow them up to 51psi if the ride is too soft.
Altimax RT are usually rated for 44psi.

They've got nifty alignment indicators at the edges of the tread.
Take a look at them every time you fill up with gas and see if all the little 
marks wear off at the same time. I just remembered to check mine at 2200 miles, 
the shallow alignment marks are all gone and the deep ones are all still there, 
so I missed the first indication.

http://www.generaltire.com/technology/VAI.php



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Re: [MBZ] I am in a buying freeze

[Tom Hargrave]

But, but, but - I have a car for you.

You only need to drive over and meet me in a dark trailer park just after
dark. Sorry, but I'll have to leave shortly after you arrive & pay and won't
be able to help load...

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
 
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Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:40 PM
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Subject: [MBZ] I am in a buying freeze

I am absolutely NOT buying anymore cars until I get the ones I have now 
substantially thinned down.  In fact, Im probably going to be just 
selling alot of project cars that I am not going to have time to get to 
in the near future, and maybe even some parts cars.  Im trying to cure 
my sickness somewhat, in fact, Im not even going to look at ebay or 
craigslist.  I know if I look, I will find something to buy.
-- 
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
  92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
  87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
  84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
http://www.okiebenz.com

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Re: [MBZ] One more Carfax/Autocheck request

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VIN:  3GNFK16T8YG122955
Year:  2000
Make:  Chevrolet
Model:  Suburban 1500 Base / 1500 LS / 1500 LT
Style/Body:  SUV / Utility 4D
Class:  SUV - Large
 Engine:  5.3L V8 SFI
Country of Assembly:  Mexico
Vehicle Age:  8 year(s)
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07/09/2007  KENT, WA   Motor Veh

[MBZ] I am in a buying freeze

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I am absolutely NOT buying anymore cars until I get the ones I have now 
substantially thinned down.  In fact, Im probably going to be just 
selling alot of project cars that I am not going to have time to get to 
in the near future, and maybe even some parts cars.  Im trying to cure 
my sickness somewhat, in fact, Im not even going to look at ebay or 
craigslist.  I know if I look, I will find something to buy.

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 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
http://www.okiebenz.com

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[MBZ] 190D Tires

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I was ordering some new tires for the ex Kaleb/Dr 
Dan/Kaleb/John/Gene/now Kaleb again 190D and usually look at Kumho;s, 
but in the size for that car these General Altimax tires had better 
ratings, longer warranty, and were a little cheaper so I ordered them. 
Just arrived a little while ago and I installed them with my nifty tire 
machine.  Short ride down the road seems like they ride MUCH better than 
the old worn out dry rotted michelins that were on there.

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 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
http://www.okiebenz.com

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[MBZ] DB-601

[Allen Sawyer]

There is a rather lengthy article about the DB-601 engine in the May/June 2003 
issue of the Star magazine; eleven pages.
ADS
Dallas
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Re: [MBZ] OT, bordering on politics

[Rich Thomas]

Mitch you are such a buzz killer.

--R

Mitch Haley wrote:

Joe The Plumber, meet Cliff The Chef:
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/news/0811/gallery.real_people_obama_plan/index.html 




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Re: [MBZ] junker

[Rich Thomas]

My wife had to do a rotation at the Manchester VA hosp ("The Manch"), it 
gave her considerable insight into NH "culture."  And the Manch isn't 
even upstate too far.  Between that and Boston City Hospital you get a 
very good view of the wonders and promise of socialized medicine.


--R

Wilton Strickland wrote:

Another goodun, Rich.  'Never heard it like that before.  Thanks for the
laugh.

Wilton

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Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] junker


  

NH has a very high tattoo to tooth ratio.  Some places up there make
Appalachia look like the Riviera.

--R

Mitch Haley wrote:


Rich Thomas wrote:
  

It's just another form of revenue generation in MA, gotta cover all
the graft and corruption.


I always found it odd that Carl Drega was from NH, not MA, but maybe
it's the same all over up there. Maybe he took "Live Free or Die"
seriously.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Drega


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[MBZ] OT, bordering on politics

[Mitch Haley]

Joe The Plumber, meet Cliff The Chef:
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2008/news/0811/gallery.real_people_obama_plan/index.html


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Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores

[Mitch Haley]

Wilton Strickland wrote:

I asked the salesman, "Where's the $100 I gave you
yesterday afternoon?"  The SOB replied, "What $100?" 


So how many months did he take his liquid diet through a straw?
I can't imagine anybody convicting you of battery in the 1950s, at least not in 
civilian court.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] junker

[Wilton Strickland]

Another goodun, Rich.  'Never heard it like that before.  Thanks for the
laugh.

Wilton

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From: "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] junker


> NH has a very high tattoo to tooth ratio.  Some places up there make
> Appalachia look like the Riviera.
>
> --R
>
> Mitch Haley wrote:
> > Rich Thomas wrote:
> >> It's just another form of revenue generation in MA, gotta cover all
> >> the graft and corruption.
> >
> > I always found it odd that Carl Drega was from NH, not MA, but maybe
> > it's the same all over up there. Maybe he took "Live Free or Die"
> > seriously.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Drega
> >
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Re: [MBZ] junker

[Rich Thomas]

NH has a very high tattoo to tooth ratio.  Some places up there make 
Appalachia look like the Riviera.


--R

Mitch Haley wrote:

Rich Thomas wrote:
It's just another form of revenue generation in MA, gotta cover all 
the graft and corruption.  


I always found it odd that Carl Drega was from NH, not MA, but maybe 
it's the same all over up there. Maybe he took "Live Free or Die" 
seriously.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Drega


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Re: [MBZ] Cameras

[Loren Faeth]

Always the dreamer. andrew

At 01:40 PM 11/12/2008, you wrote:

I'm looking forward to my tax cut,


Loren Faeth 



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Crown Vic/Grand Marquis

[Kevin Kraly]

The 126 market seems to be in the toilet. $2000 looks to buy a pretty nice 
car.


Totally true!  My 1983 300SD isn't worth too much more than the $1300 I paid 
for it even though it now has a new lower right ball joint, all new brakes, 
new exhaust header, and way better front seats.  I would have to spend more 
to fix the pached-up non-leaking radiator, dead AC compressor, and dead lock 
pump than I would get back from the sale of the car.


Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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Re: [MBZ] Who got the 5spd 280 for $500?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That was listed on CL in Atlanta?
>
> My hopes and dreams were dashed when I didn't have a response this AM.
>

I just missed getting a stick 280 earlier this year for $500, but that
was a W116 in Vancouver, WA so probably not the same one.  ;)

Alex

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[MBZ] One more Carfax/Autocheck request

[Alex Chamberlain]

3GNFK16T8YG122955

Should be an '00 Suburban.

Thanks in advance to whoever gets there first!

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Who got the 5spd 280 for $500?

[Christopher McCann]

He's in KC, MO. Still interested? I can forward your message.

Chris


--- On Wed, 11/12/08, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Who got the 5spd 280 for $500?
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 4:06 PM

Where is he located.

And the answer is Yes, how much

-Rolf
Christopher McCann wrote:
> Not me, but r u looking for the 5 spd? My friend got the tranny, pedals,
linkange, everything out of a 280 euro at u pick it. He might want to sell, not
sure.
>
> Chris
>
>  
>
> --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [MBZ] Who got the 5spd 280 for $500?
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 2:32 PM
>
> That was listed on CL in Atlanta?
>
> My hopes and dreams were dashed when I didn't have a response this AM.
>
>
> -Rolf
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Re: [MBZ] Who got the 5spd 280 for $500?

[Christopher McCann]

Not me, but r u looking for the 5 spd? My friend got the tranny, pedals, 
linkange, everything out of a 280 euro at u pick it. He might want to sell, not 
sure.

Chris

 

--- On Wed, 11/12/08, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ] Who got the 5spd 280 for $500?
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 2:32 PM

That was listed on CL in Atlanta?

My hopes and dreams were dashed when I didn't have a response this AM.


-Rolf

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Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores

[Wilton Strickland]

Another $100 lesson:

In 1958, I was a B-47E maintenance crew chief (USAF E-3) paid a grand total
of $220 per month.   I had a '51 Chevrolet; 'saw a nice-looking, excellent
condition '56 Chevy 4-door sedan on stealer's used car lot; 'made a deal one
day to trade; 'told salesman I'd bring 'im $100 down payment next day.  I
worked all night that night getting my aircraft ready for very early morning
launch.  Problems with the aircraft delayed launch 'til midafternoon.  By
the time I stopped by the stealership I was very tired, had not eaten since
the night before, 'had a headache, etc.  As I pulled into stealership yard
near late afternoon, I saw the salesman with whom I had made the trade deal,
pulled up beside and handed him a $100 dollar bill and said, "Down payment
on that '56 Chevrolet.  I'll stop by tomorrow afternoon to pick it up."  He
replied, "OK, I'll have it ready."  Next afternoon, when picking up the
"new" car, I saw that the $100 I had given the salesman the day before was
not on the bill of sale.  I asked the salesman, "Where's the $100 I gave you
yesterday afternoon?"  The SOB replied, "What $100?"  'Learned my lesson
well.

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" ; "Rich Thomas"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores


> Yeah $100 isn't too bad, glad it wasn't more...
>
> -Curt
>
> --- On Wed, 11/12/08, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> From: Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List"

> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 2:44 PM
>
> Yep, you're absolutely right, Good judgment comes from experience,
> experience comes from bad judgment.  I shoulda done all that, knew better
and
> know better now, but this is actually the first time I have ever had a
problem
> with ordering something.  I think at the time I confused them with some
other
> place I had seen that had a good rep.  They popped up on an Amazon search,
> figured they might be one of Amazon's fulfillment houses, wrongo chucko on
> that.
> Oh well, live and learn, a $100 tuition payment in the school of life.
>
> --R
>
> Curt Raymond wrote:
> > It was supposed to be a really good price though right?
> >
> > This sort of thing is all too common there are tons of people who have
> been ripped off.
> >
> > Lesson #1 If it seems to good to be true it probably is.
> >
> > Lesson #2 When dealing with a new company do a little research first. I
> bought a new digital video camera a couple months ago, found it online for
about
> $100 cheaper than profeel.com where I usually buy. A quick Google showed
that
> the other retailer (might have been fotoconnection for that matter) had
tons of
> outstanding complaints. I passed on them and bought from profeel.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:06:55 -0500
> > From: Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > *FotoConnection.com
> >
> > Right after they got the order this guy calls me up trying to upsell me
a
> Sony lens.  I tell him that is what I ordered, why do I have to pay more?
He
> says no, thats not what you ordered (I am looking at the order and the
order
> confirmation).  Says it will be another $100 or something, what that lens
is
> really is some other POS.  So we round and round, I finally tell him just
to
> send what I ordered, which was a Sony tele lens.  So then a POS lens shows
up, I
> call them again (line always busy, the guy who can't help me isn't
> there, blah blah.  Order also says "new in a sealed box" box arrives,
> seal broken, came not in original wrapping, etc.  Nightmare, I lost about
$100
> on the deal.  If I lived anywhere NYC that definitely would not have
happened.
> >
> > --R
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Re: [MBZ] E320 fuel/electronic question

[Hendrik & Fay]

Especially if they are aluminium fuses, get copper ones.

Hendrik

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From: Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  
Yes, and I checked all the fuses last spring when it was doing 
this.  



Fuses, you don't "Check Them, You change them!"

They actually build an internal resistance that will cause all kinds of grief.

All the "Old Timers" on this list have BTDT

Pete



  


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Re: [MBZ] junker

[Wilton Strickland]

Same here in NC for many years.  Now going to system requiring inspection
before license renewal.  When you go to renew license, if you don't have
record of appropriate and timely inspection in the DMV computer, no license
renewal.

Wilton

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> They look for stickers in the windshield in the northeast. It doesn't
matter what's wrong.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
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>
> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:59:20
> To: 
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>
>
> > Once it fails inspection I have 60 days to try again but I can't
> > legally drive it an inch from the inspection station once it fails. In
> > practice
> > I'm sure I can drive it home and if I'm pulled over I could talk my way
> > out of a ticket...
> >
> If this car is so terrible that a cop can tell it's not roadworthy just by
> looking at it, why are you driving it at all?
>
> RLE
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Re: [MBZ] OT - sort of - Citric acid

[Trampas]

Yeap I use the citric acid from Mercedes to clean shower head and shower. It
is great to remove lime from shower and around facets where it seems to
accumulate. 

The other thing you can use is vinegar. 

Trampas

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Subject: [MBZ] OT - sort of - Citric acid

I used citric (bought for cleaning the MB cooling systems) on more old
brass fitting today - it removed all the white 'lime' deposits in half
an hour - leaving the fittings looking better than the additional new
one I bought while they were soaking. This solution was probably
rather strong, but it left me with no doubt that the stuff will remove
any lime deposits in our engines..

-- 
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
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mountaineering; all the rest are merely games."  - Ernest Hemingway
'90 300D (Rattled),  '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent
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Re: [MBZ] Rusty's boat payment

[Trampas]

Yeap around here in NC they are not nearly as bad, my truck has not been
inspected in 3 years. Of course they are starting to computerize things thus
I will have to get one here shortly. 

Note it is not that my cars won't pass inspection, rather I am pretty anal
about keeping them fixed near to perfection, as my Rusty invoices will
attest. However I hate taking the time to wait in line to give people money.


Trampas

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Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:53 AM
To: Diesel List
Subject: [MBZ] Rusty's boat payment

To make up for sourcing calipers locally I ordered UCAs and shocks for my
240D last night.
I'm reasonably sure when I take it for inspection on Friday its going to
fail. The idea is to have the parts on hand to swap in so I can take it back
Saturday.

The state of MA is really ugly about inspection. I registered the car last
Friday thinking I'd have time to get the brakes done and get inspection on
Saturday. WRONG. Now I need to get it inspected by Friday (7 days from the
day of registration) or they'll charge me a fine...
Once it fails inspection I have 60 days to try again but I can't legally
drive it an inch from the inspection station once it fails. In practice I'm
sure I can drive it home and if I'm pulled over I could talk my way out of a
ticket...

-Curt



  
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[MBZ] Who got the 5spd 280 for $500?

[Rolf]

That was listed on CL in Atlanta?

My hopes and dreams were dashed when I didn't have a response this AM.


-Rolf

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Re: [MBZ] junker

[Mitch Haley]

Rich Thomas wrote:
It's just another form of revenue generation in MA, gotta cover all the 
graft and corruption.  


I always found it odd that Carl Drega was from NH, not MA, but maybe it's the 
same all over up there. Maybe he took "Live Free or Die" seriously.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Drega


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Re: [MBZ] junker

[Rich Thomas]

It's just another form of revenue generation in MA, gotta cover all the 
graft and corruption.  I got yelled at once when my sticker was expired 
by a cop who was monitoring a bunch of phone company picketers who 
decided it was a good idea to take their picketing to the road leading 
out of our office park at 5PM (there was some kind of phone company 
office in the park, why they decided to PO a bunch of other people there 
never made sense to me, I guess it is a union thing, like the phone 
company isn't hated enough). 

He was gonna give me a hard time or a ticket or something, until the guy 
behind me got tired of waiting for the picketing morons and the equally 
ignorant cop (making his $40/hr on detail work, min 3 hr) to let him get 
home, did an end-around and almost ran down a couple of the oppressed 
workers (most of whom seemed to be rather obese and nicely dressed, as 
well as Filene's Basement and Lane Bryant could do anyway).  I saw my 
opening and bolted when they all scattered.  The path opened up for 
everyone else at that point too.


--R

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

They look for stickers in the windshield in the northeast. It doesn't matter 
what's wrong.
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Once it fails inspection I have 60 days to try again but I can't
legally drive it an inch from the inspection station once it fails. In 
practice

I'm sure I can drive it home and if I'm pulled over I could talk my way
out of a ticket...


If this car is so terrible that a cop can tell it's not roadworthy just by 
looking at it, why are you driving it at all?


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Re: [MBZ] junker

[brian . toscano]

They look for stickers in the windshield in the northeast. It doesn't matter 
what's wrong.
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> Once it fails inspection I have 60 days to try again but I can't
> legally drive it an inch from the inspection station once it fails. In 
> practice
> I'm sure I can drive it home and if I'm pulled over I could talk my way
> out of a ticket...
> 
If this car is so terrible that a cop can tell it's not roadworthy just by 
looking at it, why are you driving it at all?

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Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores

[Curt Raymond]

Yeah $100 isn't too bad, glad it wasn't more...

-Curt

--- On Wed, 11/12/08, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 2:44 PM

Yep, you're absolutely right, Good judgment comes from experience,
experience comes from bad judgment.  I shoulda done all that, knew better and
know better now, but this is actually the first time I have ever had a problem
with ordering something.  I think at the time I confused them with some other
place I had seen that had a good rep.  They popped up on an Amazon search,
figured they might be one of Amazon's fulfillment houses, wrongo chucko on
that. 
Oh well, live and learn, a $100 tuition payment in the school of life.

--R

Curt Raymond wrote:
> It was supposed to be a really good price though right?
> 
> This sort of thing is all too common there are tons of people who have
been ripped off.
> 
> Lesson #1 If it seems to good to be true it probably is.
> 
> Lesson #2 When dealing with a new company do a little research first. I
bought a new digital video camera a couple months ago, found it online for about
$100 cheaper than profeel.com where I usually buy. A quick Google showed that
the other retailer (might have been fotoconnection for that matter) had tons of
outstanding complaints. I passed on them and bought from profeel.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:06:55 -0500
> From: Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> *FotoConnection.com
> 
> Right after they got the order this guy calls me up trying to upsell me a
Sony lens.  I tell him that is what I ordered, why do I have to pay more?  He
says no, thats not what you ordered (I am looking at the order and the order
confirmation).  Says it will be another $100 or something, what that lens is
really is some other POS.  So we round and round, I finally tell him just to
send what I ordered, which was a Sony tele lens.  So then a POS lens shows up, I
call them again (line always busy, the guy who can't help me isn't
there, blah blah.  Order also says "new in a sealed box" box arrives,
seal broken, came not in original wrapping, etc.  Nightmare, I lost about $100
on the deal.  If I lived anywhere NYC that definitely would not have happened.
> 
> --R
> 
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Re: [MBZ] junker

[RELNGSON]

> Once it fails inspection I have 60 days to try again but I can't
> legally drive it an inch from the inspection station once it fails. In 
> practice
> I'm sure I can drive it home and if I'm pulled over I could talk my way
> out of a ticket...
> 
If this car is so terrible that a cop can tell it's not roadworthy just by 
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Re: [MBZ] Bf-109

[RELNGSON]

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Re: [MBZ] WW2 Daimler Benz Aircraft Engine

[Scott Ritchey]

The MBCA Star magazine had a nice article with photos and diagrams on this
engine some years back (maybe about 2002?).  I was impressed with the method
for installing/removing the cylinders.  The outside base (which was on top)
of the cylinder was threaded and a BIG nut held it in place.  A special
wrench turned a worm gear to rotate the "nut."

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 11:25
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] WW2 Daimler Benz Aircraft Engine

The USAF museum at Dayton O had a German ME109 engine sitting on the 
floor when i was there 20 some years ago.  It was an amazing engine 
to look at.  Compared to the contemporary engines from other 
countries, the engine was a work of art.  The engine is NOT Mercedes 
Benz.  They were built by Daimler Benz, and the engine tag clearly 
said Daimler Benz.

They are indeed a narrow inverted V design.  There was no comparable 
HP US engine/airframe combination, until later in the war: 1943 to 
1944.  The (GM) Allison was also a v12, and it was contemporary, 
first being used on a large scale on the Curtiss P-40.  The English 
had the Rolls Royce v12, as used in the Hurricane, the Spitfire and 
several other airframes.  These engines did not have the power/weight 
ratio or the HP of the DB engine until late in the war, as I previously
stated.

The Germans used the DB v12 engine and a lightened version of the 
ME109 to set altitude and speed records form 1937 to 1939.  Many of 
those records stood for many many years.

Most of these three V type engines used a dry sump system to provide 
positive oil pressure in any position  I know the Allison and the DB 
did.  I am not sure about the RR engine, but I believe it was also dry sump.

MB content:  the MB 6.9 used a dry sump oil system.

I can't remember the M number of the aircraft engine.  I do remember 
that it was one of the most amazing and beautiful works of industrial 
art I have ever seen.

At 09:48 AM 11/12/2008, you wrote:
>Hi all -
>I watched a show today* that told about the famous ME109 of WW2 fame 
>- they said the ending was a "MB Inverted V12"
>
>What's the logic behind using an Inverted V configuration?  The Vs 
>tend to be pretty tight it appears.
>
>Is it to give the designers a better shape to work with?
>
>HP was quoted as being 1100-1400 depending on specific model -
>
>(* "Showdown - Air Combat" on the Military channel.)
>
>Sincerely,
>Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
>www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits &
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Re: [MBZ] Cameras

[Rich Thomas]

Along with that tax cut you'll get a UAW AIG and AmEx guy to come live 
with you.


--R  oops should be cameras not politics but you started it first

andrew strasfogel wrote:

I'm looking forward to my tax cut, so perhaps I will have a little more
wealth to spread around or simply enjoy.


On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

C'mon, spread the wealth around a little

"andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:



Tres drole.

I meant to ask what is its fair market value.

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Allan Streib
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

  

"andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:



I have a non-digital Nikon N2000 with a 50mm 1.4 standard lens, plus
Nikkor 28mm and 2000MM lenses.  What is this worth?
  

$10.  Send them to me with a paypal invoice.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores

[Rich Thomas]

Yep, you're absolutely right, Good judgment comes from experience, 
experience comes from bad judgment.  I shoulda done all that, knew 
better and know better now, but this is actually the first time I have 
ever had a problem with ordering something.  I think at the time I 
confused them with some other place I had seen that had a good rep.  
They popped up on an Amazon search, figured they might be one of 
Amazon's fulfillment houses, wrongo chucko on that. 


Oh well, live and learn, a $100 tuition payment in the school of life.

--R

Curt Raymond wrote:

It was supposed to be a really good price though right?

This sort of thing is all too common there are tons of people who have been 
ripped off.

Lesson #1 If it seems to good to be true it probably is.

Lesson #2 When dealing with a new company do a little research first. I bought 
a new digital video camera a couple months ago, found it online for about $100 
cheaper than profeel.com where I usually buy. A quick Google showed that the 
other retailer (might have been fotoconnection for that matter) had tons of 
outstanding complaints. I passed on them and bought from profeel.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:06:55 -0500
From: Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

*FotoConnection.com

Right after they got the order this guy calls me up trying to upsell me 
a Sony lens.  I tell him that is what I ordered, why do I have to pay 
more?  He says no, thats not what you ordered (I am looking at the order 
and the order confirmation).  Says it will be another $100 or something, 
what that lens is really is some other POS.  So we round and round, I 
finally tell him just to send what I ordered, which was a Sony tele 
lens.  So then a POS lens shows up, I call them again (line always busy, 
the guy who can't help me isn't there, blah blah.  Order also says "new 
in a sealed box" box arrives, seal broken, came not in original 
wrapping, etc.  Nightmare, I lost about $100 on the deal.  If I lived 
anywhere NYC that definitely would not have happened.


--R


  
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Re: [MBZ] Do I need

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

you will need jack stands

Curt Raymond wrote:

Do I need jackstands to do the diff on my 190D or could I do it from ramps?

I need to find time to retrieve my other jackstand thats been at a friend's 
house (where I left it) for 5 years...

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Re: [MBZ] Broken OM606 Glowplugs

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

what the heck are you talking about?  Wherever you are finding these 124 
diesel wagons that are cheaper than 123 diesel wagons, let me know so I 
can buy them.


andrew strasfogel wrote:

Which will be collectible - the 124 wagon?  If so then why are their prices
lower compared to the more plentifull W123 wagons?



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Re: [MBZ] Cameras

[andrew strasfogel]

I'm looking forward to my tax cut, so perhaps I will have a little more
wealth to spread around or simply enjoy.


On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:24 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> C'mon, spread the wealth around a little
>
> "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > Tres drole.
> >
> > I meant to ask what is its fair market value.
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Allan Streib
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> >
> > > "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > >
> > > > I have a non-digital Nikon N2000 with a 50mm 1.4 standard lens, plus
> > > > Nikkor 28mm and 2000MM lenses.  What is this worth?
> > >
> > > $10.  Send them to me with a paypal invoice.
> > >
> > > Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Broken OM606 Glowplugs

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yes

Donald Snook wrote:

Kaleb wrote: "I still have another one I need to get going, either taht or sell it. 
Im fixing to liquidate quite a few members of my fleet."

Is it a 124 300D 2.5?

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Amyris Opens Synthetic Diesel Pilot Plant - what about Pond Scum?

[andrew strasfogel]

Algae plant to open on S. Ute land Organisms will be used to make fuel for
use as an energy sourceby Joe Hanel
Herald Denver Bureau Article Last Updated; Wednesday, November 12, 2008
Green energy - literally - is coming to Southwest Colorado.
[image: Gateway
Reservations]
[image: custom residential
construction]
[image: Come to Durango, Colorado,
USA]

Solix Biofuels announced Tuesday that it will start construction on an algae
fuel plant early next year near Ignacio. The plant will be built in two
phases on a 10-acre site on the Southern Ute Indian Tribe reservation.

"That is just a stepping stone to building large-scale production, which is
our ultimate goal," said Solix CEO Doug Henston.

Henston did not say how many jobs the plant would bring, but the number will
be small at first.

Gov. Bill Ritter greeted the news and said the next generation will consume
energy in ways current Americans can't imagine.

"Fortunately, the creative, ingenuous and determined researchers at Solix
can not only imagine those ways, they are making them a reality. This is
also great news for Southwest Colorado, demonstrating that the New Energy
Economy is benefiting communities all across the state," Ritter said in a
news release.

The Solix operation will be different from the biodiesel plant operated by
San Juan Bioenergy in Dove Creek. That plant uses locally grown sunflower,
safflower and canola, and it currently produces oil for human and animal
food, but not motor fuel.

The Solix-Southern Ute operation will produce an oil feedstock that can be
refined into diesel fuel.

The market for diesel feedstock is huge, Henston said, and Solix and its
Southern Ute partners hope to grow hundreds of acres of algae some day -
possibly at the Ignacio site.

The plant will use high-tech "photobioreactors" to grow algae - essentially,
pond scum.

"We don't refer to it as that. We refer to it very affectionately," Henston
said.

Biodiesel plants that use canola oil can get about 150 gallons per acre per
year, Henston said. But algae grow much faster. Solix is producing 1,500
gallons per acre per year at its prototype site in Fort Collins, and Henston
hopes to double that growth rate.

The Solix plant will capture carbon dioxide from a natural gas-processing
plant near Ignacio. Algae need plenty of carbon dioxide and sunlight to
grow, and both are available on the Southern Ute reservation, Henston said.

Henston doesn't call Solix's technology carbon-neutral. But the plant will
capture carbon from the gas facility that would have gone straight into the
atmosphere and give it a second use as a motor fuel. Also, some studies show
that biodiesel emits fewer greenhouse gases than regular petroleum diesel,
Henston said.

Southern Ute Alternative Energy LLC provided some of the $5 million
investment for the Ignacio plant. Other investors include London-based I2BF
Venture Capital, oil refiner Valero Energy Corp., and Fort Collins-based
Bohemian Investments. The same investors also committed $10.5 million to
fund Solix operations Tuesday.

Solix was founded in 2006 as a spinoff from Colorado State University. Its
headquarters is in Fort Collins.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> You are right, neither of the processes below can be called
> fermentation...and I'm not sure exactly how the process works. But using
> sugar may not be so bad since they will be doing it in Brazil where sugar is
> already being turned into fuel on a large scale.
>
> There just isn't enough info in the article. Annoying. Reminds me of an
> article on blending D2 and BioD that recently appeared in the KC Star. She
> (the author) kept confusing Biodiesel and VO: "B20 biodiesel is 20%
> vegetable oil" and it went on and on.
>
> Chris
>
>
> --- On Wed, 11/12/08, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amyris Opens Synthetic Diesel Pilot Plant
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 11:33 AM
>
> If the yeast is consuming the sugar and storing oil in it's cell
> structure, then we are not talking fermentation. That's basically what
> the Algae people are working on. There are better/cheaper things to
> feed microbes than sugar. If they are using the yeast to produce an
> enzyme that converts sugar to diesel, they are competing with
> fo

[MBZ] Do I need

[Curt Raymond]

Do I need jackstands to do the diff on my 190D or could I do it from ramps?

I need to find time to retrieve my other jackstand thats been at a friend's 
house (where I left it) for 5 years...

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores

[Curt Raymond]

It was supposed to be a really good price though right?

This sort of thing is all too common there are tons of people who have been 
ripped off.

Lesson #1 If it seems to good to be true it probably is.

Lesson #2 When dealing with a new company do a little research first. I bought 
a new digital video camera a couple months ago, found it online for about $100 
cheaper than profeel.com where I usually buy. A quick Google showed that the 
other retailer (might have been fotoconnection for that matter) had tons of 
outstanding complaints. I passed on them and bought from profeel.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 13:06:55 -0500
From: Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

*FotoConnection.com

Right after they got the order this guy calls me up trying to upsell me 
a Sony lens.  I tell him that is what I ordered, why do I have to pay 
more?  He says no, thats not what you ordered (I am looking at the order 
and the order confirmation).  Says it will be another $100 or something, 
what that lens is really is some other POS.  So we round and round, I 
finally tell him just to send what I ordered, which was a Sony tele 
lens.  So then a POS lens shows up, I call them again (line always busy, 
the guy who can't help me isn't there, blah blah.  Order also says "new 
in a sealed box" box arrives, seal broken, came not in original 
wrapping, etc.  Nightmare, I lost about $100 on the deal.  If I lived 
anywhere NYC that definitely would not have happened.

--R


  
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Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores

[Allan Streib]

"LWB250" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> If you want to go the used route, KEH is definitely the one, as King has
> done a great job with their reputation of grading very, very
> conservatively.  I have bought a fair amount of gear from them over the
> years and never been disappointed.  That being said, their prices for
> used equipment are a little high.

They also seem to be having some difficulties on their web site right
now

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Re: [MBZ] WW2 Mercedes Aircraft Engine

[Wilton Strickland]

'Inverted to improve aerodynamics/streamlining.

Wilton

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From: "LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:48 AM
Subject: [MBZ] WW2 Mercedes Aircraft Engine


> Hi all -
> I watched a show today* that told about the famous ME109 of WW2 fame -
they said the ending was a "MB Inverted V12"
>
> What's the logic behind using an Inverted V configuration?  The Vs tend to
be pretty tight it appears.
>
> Is it to give the designers a better shape to work with?
>
> HP was quoted as being 1100-1400 depending on specific model -
>
> (* "Showdown - Air Combat" on the Military channel.)
>
> Sincerely,
> Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
> www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits &
> Porsche Posters/Weber parts
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Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores

[Gary Hurst]

just in case you are interested, here is what you get when you google
compaints on your guys.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=fotoconnection+complaints&aq=4&oq=fotoconnection

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 17th street are honest arabs.  B&H are honest jews.  your outfit is just
> crooked, with pages of complaints online.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Rich Thomas <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Generic arab competitors per your post, probably not the same outfit.
>>  Thieves, whoever they are.
>>
>> --R
>>
>>
>> Gary Hurst wrote:
>>
>>> those are not my arabs though.  how do you figure they connect to 17th
>>> street photo?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Rich Thomas <
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
 *FotoConnection.com

 Right after they got the order this guy calls me up trying to upsell me
 a
 Sony lens.  I tell him that is what I ordered, why do I have to pay
 more?
  He says no, thats not what you ordered (I am looking at the order and
 the
 order confirmation).  Says it will be another $100 or something, what
 that
 lens is really is some other POS.  So we round and round, I finally tell
 him
 just to send what I ordered, which was a Sony tele lens.  So then a POS
 lens
 shows up, I call them again (line always busy, the guy who can't help me
 isn't there, blah blah.  Order also says "new in a sealed box" box
 arrives,
 seal broken, came not in original wrapping, etc.  Nightmare, I lost
 about
 $100 on the deal.  If I lived anywhere NYC that definitely would not
 have
 happened.

 --R
 *

 Gary Hurst wrote:



> you got hosed by 17th street?  you sure?
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Rich Thomas <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>> I bought a Sony outfit a year and half ago from some sleazebag NYC
>> outfit,
>> they sent a returned unit (probably rebuilt or maybe even a chinese
>> faux
>> knockoff), a cheap Chinese tele lens (though the order specified a
>> Sony)
>> and
>> some other crap, it took about a month of back and forth until they
>> refunded
>> 85% (15% restocking fee!).  I then looked them up and found loads of
>> horror
>> stories, they appear to change names fairly frequently.  I was glad to
>> get
>> the 85% back.  I'll see if I can find the name of it.
>>
>> They were your arab competitors, extremely rude and not even very
>> skilled
>> at lying, which they blatantly did.  Bunch of thieves.
>>
>> ---R
>>
>>
>> Gary Hurst wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> i used to use their arab competitors.  17th street photo or something
>>> like
>>> that?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores

[Gary Hurst]

17th street are honest arabs.  B&H are honest jews.  your outfit is just
crooked, with pages of complaints online.

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Rich Thomas <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Generic arab competitors per your post, probably not the same outfit.
>  Thieves, whoever they are.
>
> --R
>
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> those are not my arabs though.  how do you figure they connect to 17th
>> street photo?
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Rich Thomas <
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> *FotoConnection.com
>>>
>>> Right after they got the order this guy calls me up trying to upsell me a
>>> Sony lens.  I tell him that is what I ordered, why do I have to pay more?
>>>  He says no, thats not what you ordered (I am looking at the order and
>>> the
>>> order confirmation).  Says it will be another $100 or something, what
>>> that
>>> lens is really is some other POS.  So we round and round, I finally tell
>>> him
>>> just to send what I ordered, which was a Sony tele lens.  So then a POS
>>> lens
>>> shows up, I call them again (line always busy, the guy who can't help me
>>> isn't there, blah blah.  Order also says "new in a sealed box" box
>>> arrives,
>>> seal broken, came not in original wrapping, etc.  Nightmare, I lost about
>>> $100 on the deal.  If I lived anywhere NYC that definitely would not have
>>> happened.
>>>
>>> --R
>>> *
>>>
>>> Gary Hurst wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
 you got hosed by 17th street?  you sure?

 On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Rich Thomas <
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





> I bought a Sony outfit a year and half ago from some sleazebag NYC
> outfit,
> they sent a returned unit (probably rebuilt or maybe even a chinese
> faux
> knockoff), a cheap Chinese tele lens (though the order specified a
> Sony)
> and
> some other crap, it took about a month of back and forth until they
> refunded
> 85% (15% restocking fee!).  I then looked them up and found loads of
> horror
> stories, they appear to change names fairly frequently.  I was glad to
> get
> the 85% back.  I'll see if I can find the name of it.
>
> They were your arab competitors, extremely rude and not even very
> skilled
> at lying, which they blatantly did.  Bunch of thieves.
>
> ---R
>
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>> i used to use their arab competitors.  17th street photo or something
>> like
>> that?
>>
>>
>>
>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores

[Mitch Haley]

Rich Thomas wrote:

*FotoConnection.com

Right after they got the order this guy calls me up trying to upsell me 
a Sony lens.  I tell him that is what I ordered, why do I have to pay 
more?  He says no, thats not what you ordered (I am looking at the order 
and the order confirmation).  Says it will be another $100 or something, 
what that lens is really is some other POS. 


Oh, it's not a Sony? Cancel my order, then.

I presume you disputed the charge with your credit card issuer?
Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Cameras

[Allan Streib]

C'mon, spread the wealth around a little

"andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> Tres drole.
> 
> I meant to ask what is its fair market value.
> 
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Allan Streib
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
> > "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >
> > > I have a non-digital Nikon N2000 with a 50mm 1.4 standard lens, plus
> > > Nikkor 28mm and 2000MM lenses.  What is this worth?
> >
> > $10.  Send them to me with a paypal invoice.
> >
> > Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Neutral Start Interlock

[B Dike]

Terak, 

It got banged up (again) in an encounter with a Jersey barrier.  The front 
inner fender wall was crumpled in about 6 in at the bumper mount and the local 
shop said it would be $$$ to put in on the rack and pull it out.  I considered 
just mounting a new outer funder over the bent inner fender but decided against 
it.  

It was an incredible car, I hate to see it go.  Will keep the motor however to 
put in the 72 220D.

Bruce


--- On Tue, 11/4/08, TE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: TE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [MBZ] Neutral Start Interlock
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 12:18 AM

What's the deal with the 75 240?

Tarek

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Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 1:04 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] Neutral Start Interlock

Hi,

The 82 300CD starter problem has been solved...almost. It needed both a new
starter and neutral start interlock switch.  While it waits for the new
switch, can anyone tell me where to jumper the switch from inside the car? 
I can do it at the switch itself, but then the reverse light switch won't
work.

Thanks,

Bruce

82 300CD 358kmi 'His'

85 300CD 263kmi 'Hers'

75 240D 202kmi 'Donner' headed for Ebay...snif...

77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen' gone to a better place

74 240D 79kmi 'Orangewagen'

73 220D 'Fnu Lnu'


  
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Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores

[Rich Thomas]

Generic arab competitors per your post, probably not the same outfit.  
Thieves, whoever they are.


--R

Gary Hurst wrote:

those are not my arabs though.  how do you figure they connect to 17th
street photo?

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Rich Thomas <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

*FotoConnection.com

Right after they got the order this guy calls me up trying to upsell me a
Sony lens.  I tell him that is what I ordered, why do I have to pay more?
 He says no, thats not what you ordered (I am looking at the order and the
order confirmation).  Says it will be another $100 or something, what that
lens is really is some other POS.  So we round and round, I finally tell him
just to send what I ordered, which was a Sony tele lens.  So then a POS lens
shows up, I call them again (line always busy, the guy who can't help me
isn't there, blah blah.  Order also says "new in a sealed box" box arrives,
seal broken, came not in original wrapping, etc.  Nightmare, I lost about
$100 on the deal.  If I lived anywhere NYC that definitely would not have
happened.

--R
*

Gary Hurst wrote:



you got hosed by 17th street?  you sure?

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Rich Thomas <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



  

I bought a Sony outfit a year and half ago from some sleazebag NYC
outfit,
they sent a returned unit (probably rebuilt or maybe even a chinese faux
knockoff), a cheap Chinese tele lens (though the order specified a Sony)
and
some other crap, it took about a month of back and forth until they
refunded
85% (15% restocking fee!).  I then looked them up and found loads of
horror
stories, they appear to change names fairly frequently.  I was glad to
get
the 85% back.  I'll see if I can find the name of it.

They were your arab competitors, extremely rude and not even very skilled
at lying, which they blatantly did.  Bunch of thieves.

---R


Gary Hurst wrote:





i used to use their arab competitors.  17th street photo or something
like
that?

  




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Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores

[Gary Hurst]

those are not my arabs though.  how do you figure they connect to 17th
street photo?

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Rich Thomas <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> *FotoConnection.com
>
> Right after they got the order this guy calls me up trying to upsell me a
> Sony lens.  I tell him that is what I ordered, why do I have to pay more?
>  He says no, thats not what you ordered (I am looking at the order and the
> order confirmation).  Says it will be another $100 or something, what that
> lens is really is some other POS.  So we round and round, I finally tell him
> just to send what I ordered, which was a Sony tele lens.  So then a POS lens
> shows up, I call them again (line always busy, the guy who can't help me
> isn't there, blah blah.  Order also says "new in a sealed box" box arrives,
> seal broken, came not in original wrapping, etc.  Nightmare, I lost about
> $100 on the deal.  If I lived anywhere NYC that definitely would not have
> happened.
>
> --R
> *
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> you got hosed by 17th street?  you sure?
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Rich Thomas <
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I bought a Sony outfit a year and half ago from some sleazebag NYC
>>> outfit,
>>> they sent a returned unit (probably rebuilt or maybe even a chinese faux
>>> knockoff), a cheap Chinese tele lens (though the order specified a Sony)
>>> and
>>> some other crap, it took about a month of back and forth until they
>>> refunded
>>> 85% (15% restocking fee!).  I then looked them up and found loads of
>>> horror
>>> stories, they appear to change names fairly frequently.  I was glad to
>>> get
>>> the 85% back.  I'll see if I can find the name of it.
>>>
>>> They were your arab competitors, extremely rude and not even very skilled
>>> at lying, which they blatantly did.  Bunch of thieves.
>>>
>>> ---R
>>>
>>>
>>> Gary Hurst wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
 i used to use their arab competitors.  17th street photo or something
 like
 that?

 On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 wrote:





> I'll second B&H but its not for the anti-semitic. Don't call on
> Saturday...
>
> They can be a bit gruff on the phone but will help you if you're nice
> but
> persistant.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:19:24 -0600
> From: Dan Weeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [MBZ] Camera Stores
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2008, at 10:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>> Anyone know of a camera store they'd highly recommend, or warn others
>> away from? I'm thinking Nikon D700 ---  need to take some dramatic
>> pictures of the MB fleet to rub in Kaleb's face -- and a daughter's
>> wedding, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
> B&H Photo Video, a mail order house in NY.
>
> I'm a professional photographer, among other things, and I order all
> my stuff from them. Great prices, great service.
>
> For used equipment, KEH in atlanta. Ditto.
>
> Dan
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Cameras

[Rich Thomas]

I think you can use those lenses on the digital models but they won't be 
autofocus and all that, so you will have to fiddle with them.  Old 
Minolta lenses fit the Sony DSLRs, as the Sony is a remake of the 
Minolta digital.


--R

andrew strasfogel wrote:

Tres drole.

I meant to ask what is its fair market value.

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

  

"andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:



I have a non-digital Nikon N2000 with a 50mm 1.4 standard lens, plus
Nikkor 28mm and 2000MM lenses.  What is this worth?
  

$10.  Send them to me with a paypal invoice.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores

[Rich Thomas]

*FotoConnection.com

Right after they got the order this guy calls me up trying to upsell me 
a Sony lens.  I tell him that is what I ordered, why do I have to pay 
more?  He says no, thats not what you ordered (I am looking at the order 
and the order confirmation).  Says it will be another $100 or something, 
what that lens is really is some other POS.  So we round and round, I 
finally tell him just to send what I ordered, which was a Sony tele 
lens.  So then a POS lens shows up, I call them again (line always busy, 
the guy who can't help me isn't there, blah blah.  Order also says "new 
in a sealed box" box arrives, seal broken, came not in original 
wrapping, etc.  Nightmare, I lost about $100 on the deal.  If I lived 
anywhere NYC that definitely would not have happened.


--R
*
Gary Hurst wrote:

you got hosed by 17th street?  you sure?

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Rich Thomas <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

I bought a Sony outfit a year and half ago from some sleazebag NYC outfit,
they sent a returned unit (probably rebuilt or maybe even a chinese faux
knockoff), a cheap Chinese tele lens (though the order specified a Sony) and
some other crap, it took about a month of back and forth until they refunded
85% (15% restocking fee!).  I then looked them up and found loads of horror
stories, they appear to change names fairly frequently.  I was glad to get
the 85% back.  I'll see if I can find the name of it.

They were your arab competitors, extremely rude and not even very skilled
at lying, which they blatantly did.  Bunch of thieves.

---R


Gary Hurst wrote:



i used to use their arab competitors.  17th street photo or something like
that?

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:



  

I'll second B&H but its not for the anti-semitic. Don't call on
Saturday...

They can be a bit gruff on the phone but will help you if you're nice but
persistant.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:19:24 -0600
From: Dan Weeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ] Camera Stores
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes


On Nov 11, 2008, at 10:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





Anyone know of a camera store they'd highly recommend, or warn others
away from? I'm thinking Nikon D700 ---  need to take some dramatic
pictures of the MB fleet to rub in Kaleb's face -- and a daughter's
wedding, etc.


  

B&H Photo Video, a mail order house in NY.

I'm a professional photographer, among other things, and I order all
my stuff from them. Great prices, great service.

For used equipment, KEH in atlanta. Ditto.

Dan



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Re: [MBZ] Amyris Opens Synthetic Diesel Pilot Plant

[Christopher McCann]

You are right, neither of the processes below can be called fermentation...and 
I'm not sure exactly how the process works. But using sugar may not be so bad 
since they will be doing it in Brazil where sugar is already being turned into 
fuel on a large scale. 

There just isn't enough info in the article. Annoying. Reminds me of an article 
on blending D2 and BioD that recently appeared in the KC Star. She (the author) 
kept confusing Biodiesel and VO: "B20 biodiesel is 20% vegetable oil" and it 
went on and on.

Chris
   

--- On Wed, 11/12/08, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amyris Opens Synthetic Diesel Pilot Plant
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 11:33 AM

If the yeast is consuming the sugar and storing oil in it's cell
structure, then we are not talking fermentation. That's basically what
the Algae people are working on. There are better/cheaper things to
feed microbes than sugar. If they are using the yeast to produce an
enzyme that converts sugar to diesel, they are competing with
foodstocks, which is political suicide. Technically interesting, but
not a solid business plan. Don't get me wrong - we need more research
like this. Just don't count on it to solve the problem any time soon.
Hopefully someone will stumble across a process that actually works in
the real world.

-Dave Walton

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Christopher McCann
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is not normal yeast. They are genetically modified to produce diesel
fuel. I've read about this before. It is absolutely amazing. Sometimes they
use yeast and sometimes they use some other microbe, but they can genetically
modify them to convert sugar/cellulose into all sorts of different chemicals.
Think oil-eating microbes used to clean up oil spills...sort of in reverse.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 11/12/08, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amyris Opens Synthetic Diesel Pilot Plant
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 8:11 AM
>
> Agreed. In typical fermentation, the yeast does not make ethanol. It
> makes an enzyme that converts the sugar to ethanol. I don't see how
> that process would result in a diesel fuel.
>
> -Dave Walton
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Allan Streib
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> Hm.  All they talk about is yeast and sugarcane.  How do you get
diesel
>> from that?  Ethanol, sure.
>>
>> "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
>>
>>>
>
http://www.nytimes.com/external/gigaom/2008/11/11/11gigaom-amyris-opens-synthetic-diesel-pilot-plant-15178.html
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] WW2 Mercedes Aircraft Engine

[E M]

I read the Germany oil refineries were taking a beating, and most of the av
gas being used by the Germans was being derived from coal.  They had a hard
time getting more than about 90 octane out of it.

Ed
300E

2008/11/12 Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> There are a couple advantages to an inverted V engine -- the cowling is
> easier to streamline with the widest part of the engine closer to the
> centerline or lower, as the shape can fair into the wings better.  You can
> easily get hot cylinder walls from the coolant flowing from the head to the
> crank (this increases volumetric efficiency by reducing the cooling of the
> combustion gases).  The narrow cross section high in the cowling permits
> guns to be mounted there -- a consideration in the Me109 as it was, as were
> all Willy's designs, fairly frail and mounting heavy guns in the wings was a
> problem structurally.
>
> There are disadvantages, too -- induction can be a real pain (the DB used
> fuel injection which fixed that -- and a family friend of ours made the
> parts for the original system in the late 30's -- his father died before he
> got the patents and RR took it over, then let the Germans at it!).  Oil
> handling is a problem as there have to be "recovery channels" along the
> cylinder banks to get the oil out (they are all dry sump systems) and
> locating the propellor gearing system can be a pain.
>
> If the Nazis had developed high octane fuel, we'd have been in much worse
> shape -- they never managed to get better than 90 octane av gas.  With 100
> octane fuel, they'd have been getting significantly more hp out of that
> engine!
>
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> >From: LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Nov 12, 2008 10:48 AM
> >To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >Subject: [MBZ] WW2 Mercedes Aircraft Engine
> >
> >Hi all -
> >I watched a show today* that told about the famous ME109 of WW2 fame -
> they said the ending was a "MB Inverted V12"
> >
> >What's the logic behind using an Inverted V configuration?  The Vs tend to
> be pretty tight it appears.
> >
> >Is it to give the designers a better shape to work with?
> >
> >HP was quoted as being 1100-1400 depending on specific model -
> >
> >(* "Showdown - Air Combat" on the Military channel.)
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
> >www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits &
> >Porsche Posters/Weber parts
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Re: [MBZ] Cameras

[andrew strasfogel]

Tres drole.

I meant to ask what is its fair market value.

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:47 PM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> "andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > I have a non-digital Nikon N2000 with a 50mm 1.4 standard lens, plus
> > Nikkor 28mm and 2000MM lenses.  What is this worth?
>
> $10.  Send them to me with a paypal invoice.
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Broken OM606 Glowplugs

[andrew strasfogel]

Which will be collectible - the 124 wagon?  If so then why are their prices
lower compared to the more plentifull W123 wagons?

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
>
> You prefer the 123 wagon as a highway car only because you have never owned
> an SDL.  I like the 123 wagon, but I have grown to like the 124 300TD
> better.  There were less than 2000 imported to the US, so they will always
> be a collectible car in the US.
>
>
> At 07:58 AM 11/12/2008, you wrote:
>
>> My advice for everybody who hasn't yet driven an MB wagon is to make sure
>> you get the opportunity. I've never driven a 124 wagon but the 123 wagon is
>> by far the smoothest car I've ever driven. The 300TD is a bit pokey off the
>> line, the turbo (on mine anyway) took a second to spool but what a wonderful
>> highway car.
>>
>> When my wife and I make our cross country drive a 300TD is the #1
>> preferred car by both of us.
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>>
>> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:45:41 -0600
>> From: "OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Broken OM606 Glowplugs
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Message-ID:
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>>
>> I wouldn't go so far as to assign value based on the 'looks', but I do
>> agree - they are ugly cars. They are much better driven than looked
>> at.
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 9:33 PM, andrew strasfogel
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > The 124 may be Mashall-vertified as better than the W123 wagon, but they
>> > aren't worth sh*t because they look so ugly.
>> >
>>
>> --
>> OK Don, KD5NRO
>> Norman, OK
>> "There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and
>> mountaineering; all the rest are merely games."  - Ernest Hemingway
>> '90 300D (Rattled),  '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent
>> van-go)
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Cameras

[Allan Streib]

"andrew strasfogel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> I have a non-digital Nikon N2000 with a 50mm 1.4 standard lens, plus
> Nikkor 28mm and 2000MM lenses.  What is this worth?

$10.  Send them to me with a paypal invoice.

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Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores

[Gary Hurst]

you got hosed by 17th street?  you sure?

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Rich Thomas <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I bought a Sony outfit a year and half ago from some sleazebag NYC outfit,
> they sent a returned unit (probably rebuilt or maybe even a chinese faux
> knockoff), a cheap Chinese tele lens (though the order specified a Sony) and
> some other crap, it took about a month of back and forth until they refunded
> 85% (15% restocking fee!).  I then looked them up and found loads of horror
> stories, they appear to change names fairly frequently.  I was glad to get
> the 85% back.  I'll see if I can find the name of it.
>
> They were your arab competitors, extremely rude and not even very skilled
> at lying, which they blatantly did.  Bunch of thieves.
>
> ---R
>
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> i used to use their arab competitors.  17th street photo or something like
>> that?
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I'll second B&H but its not for the anti-semitic. Don't call on
>>> Saturday...
>>>
>>> They can be a bit gruff on the phone but will help you if you're nice but
>>> persistant.
>>>
>>> -Curt
>>>
>>> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:19:24 -0600
>>> From: Dan Weeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Subject: [MBZ] Camera Stores
>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 11, 2008, at 10:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
 Anyone know of a camera store they'd highly recommend, or warn others
 away from? I'm thinking Nikon D700 ---  need to take some dramatic
 pictures of the MB fleet to rub in Kaleb's face -- and a daughter's
 wedding, etc.


>>> B&H Photo Video, a mail order house in NY.
>>>
>>> I'm a professional photographer, among other things, and I order all
>>> my stuff from them. Great prices, great service.
>>>
>>> For used equipment, KEH in atlanta. Ditto.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Cameras

[andrew strasfogel]

I have a non-digital Nikon N2000 with a 50mm 1.4 standard lens, plus Nikkor
28mm and 2000MM lenses.  What is this worth?

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Dan Weeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> On Nov 12, 2008, at 9:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I was just looking at the prices on medium format Mamiya gear the other
>> day, and was shocked at how low it was going.  The whole bag of Mamiya gear
>> I own is worth about 10% of the new value these days.
>>
>
> Yeah--I have a bag of Mamiya 6x6 gear, too--two bodies, 4 lenses. May never
> use it again, but am sure not going to sell it given what it's worth now!
>
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Amyris Opens Synthetic Diesel Pilot Plant

[dave walton]

If the yeast is consuming the sugar and storing oil in it's cell
structure, then we are not talking fermentation. That's basically what
the Algae people are working on. There are better/cheaper things to
feed microbes than sugar. If they are using the yeast to produce an
enzyme that converts sugar to diesel, they are competing with
foodstocks, which is political suicide. Technically interesting, but
not a solid business plan. Don't get me wrong - we need more research
like this. Just don't count on it to solve the problem any time soon.
Hopefully someone will stumble across a process that actually works in
the real world.

-Dave Walton

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:19 PM, Christopher McCann
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is not normal yeast. They are genetically modified to produce diesel 
> fuel. I've read about this before. It is absolutely amazing. Sometimes they 
> use yeast and sometimes they use some other microbe, but they can genetically 
> modify them to convert sugar/cellulose into all sorts of different chemicals. 
> Think oil-eating microbes used to clean up oil spills...sort of in reverse.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 11/12/08, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amyris Opens Synthetic Diesel Pilot Plant
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 8:11 AM
>
> Agreed. In typical fermentation, the yeast does not make ethanol. It
> makes an enzyme that converts the sugar to ethanol. I don't see how
> that process would result in a diesel fuel.
>
> -Dave Walton
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>> Hm.  All they talk about is yeast and sugarcane.  How do you get diesel
>> from that?  Ethanol, sure.
>>
>> "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>>
>>>
> http://www.nytimes.com/external/gigaom/2008/11/11/11gigaom-amyris-opens-synthetic-diesel-pilot-plant-15178.html
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] Amyris Opens Synthetic Diesel Pilot Plant

[Christopher McCann]

This is not normal yeast. They are genetically modified to produce diesel fuel. 
I've read about this before. It is absolutely amazing. Sometimes they use yeast 
and sometimes they use some other microbe, but they can genetically modify them 
to convert sugar/cellulose into all sorts of different chemicals. Think 
oil-eating microbes used to clean up oil spills...sort of in reverse.

Chris



--- On Wed, 11/12/08, dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: dave walton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amyris Opens Synthetic Diesel Pilot Plant
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 8:11 AM

Agreed. In typical fermentation, the yeast does not make ethanol. It
makes an enzyme that converts the sugar to ethanol. I don't see how
that process would result in a diesel fuel.

-Dave Walton

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Hm.  All they talk about is yeast and sugarcane.  How do you get diesel
> from that?  Ethanol, sure.
>
> "Rich Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
>>
http://www.nytimes.com/external/gigaom/2008/11/11/11gigaom-amyris-opens-synthetic-diesel-pilot-plant-15178.html
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Rusty's boat payment

[Curt Raymond]

Yeah right...

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 10:22:21 -0500
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"We won't get fooled again"

--R

Curt Raymond wrote:
> "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"
>


  
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Re: [MBZ] WW2 Daimler Benz Aircraft Engine

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Christopher McCann
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimler-Benz_DB_603
>
> "Mercedes' T80 land speed record car, designed by aircraft engineer
>Josef Mickl with assistance from Ferdinand Porsche and top German
>Grand Prix racing driver Hans Stuck, incorporated the third prototype DB
>603. It ran on pure alcohol with MW injection and was tuned to 3,000 hp
>enough, it was believed, to propel the aerodynamic three-axle T80 up to
>750 km/h on the Dessau autobahn in January 1940 during Rekord Woche
>(Record/Speed Week). Due to the outbreak of the war in September
>1939, the T80 (nicknamed Schwarz Vogel, "Black Bird") never raced. The
>DB 603 engine was removed from the vehicle for use in fighter aircraft."

Wish my '87 300D had THAT kind of 603 under the hood!

Actually, Dave Meimann's probably already done that swap. ;)

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] WW2 Mercedes Aircraft Engine

[Peter Frederick]

There are a couple advantages to an inverted V engine -- the cowling is easier 
to streamline with the widest part of the engine closer to the centerline or 
lower, as the shape can fair into the wings better.  You can easily get hot 
cylinder walls from the coolant flowing from the head to the crank (this 
increases volumetric efficiency by reducing the cooling of the combustion 
gases).  The narrow cross section high in the cowling permits guns to be 
mounted there -- a consideration in the Me109 as it was, as were all Willy's 
designs, fairly frail and mounting heavy guns in the wings was a problem 
structurally.  

There are disadvantages, too -- induction can be a real pain (the DB used fuel 
injection which fixed that -- and a family friend of ours made the parts for 
the original system in the late 30's -- his father died before he got the 
patents and RR took it over, then let the Germans at it!).  Oil handling is a 
problem as there have to be "recovery channels" along the cylinder banks to get 
the oil out (they are all dry sump systems) and locating the propellor gearing 
system can be a pain.  

If the Nazis had developed high octane fuel, we'd have been in much worse shape 
-- they never managed to get better than 90 octane av gas.  With 100 octane 
fuel, they'd have been getting significantly more hp out of that engine!

Peter

-Original Message-
>From: LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Nov 12, 2008 10:48 AM
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Subject: [MBZ] WW2 Mercedes Aircraft Engine
>
>Hi all - 
>I watched a show today* that told about the famous ME109 of WW2 fame - they 
>said the ending was a "MB Inverted V12"  
>
>What's the logic behind using an Inverted V configuration?  The Vs tend to be 
>pretty tight it appears.
>
>Is it to give the designers a better shape to work with?
>
>HP was quoted as being 1100-1400 depending on specific model - 
>
>(* "Showdown - Air Combat" on the Military channel.)
>
>Sincerely,
>Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
>www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits &
>Porsche Posters/Weber parts
>.
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Re: [MBZ] WW2 Daimler Benz Aircraft Engine

[Christopher McCann]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimler-Benz_DB_601

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimler-Benz_DB_603

"Mercedes' T80 land speed record car, designed by aircraft engineer Josef Mickl 
with assistance from Ferdinand Porsche and top German Grand Prix racing driver 
Hans Stuck, incorporated the third prototype DB 603. It ran on pure alcohol 
with MW injection and was tuned to 3,000 hp   enough, it was believed, to 
propel the aerodynamic three-axle T80 up to 750 km/h on the Dessau autobahn in 
January 1940 during Rekord Woche (Record/Speed Week). Due to the outbreak of 
the war in September 1939, the T80 (nicknamed Schwarz Vogel, "Black Bird") 
never raced. The DB 603 engine was removed from the vehicle for use in fighter 
aircraft."

Interesting.

Weren't these engines made at the Sindelfingen plant? 

-Chris



--- On Wed, 11/12/08, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ] WW2 Daimler Benz Aircraft Engine
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 10:24 AM

The USAF museum at Dayton O had a German ME109 engine sitting on the 
floor when i was there 20 some years ago.  It was an amazing engine 
to look at.  Compared to the contemporary engines from other 
countries, the engine was a work of art.  The engine is NOT Mercedes 
Benz.  They were built by Daimler Benz, and the engine tag clearly 
said Daimler Benz.

They are indeed a narrow inverted V design.  There was no comparable 
HP US engine/airframe combination, until later in the war: 1943 to 
1944.  The (GM) Allison was also a v12, and it was contemporary, 
first being used on a large scale on the Curtiss P-40.  The English 
had the Rolls Royce v12, as used in the Hurricane, the Spitfire and 
several other airframes.  These engines did not have the power/weight 
ratio or the HP of the DB engine until late in the war, as I previously stated.

The Germans used the DB v12 engine and a lightened version of the 
ME109 to set altitude and speed records form 1937 to 1939.  Many of 
those records stood for many many years.

Most of these three V type engines used a dry sump system to provide 
positive oil pressure in any position  I know the Allison and the DB 
did.  I am not sure about the RR engine, but I believe it was also dry sump.

MB content:  the MB 6.9 used a dry sump oil system.

I can't remember the M number of the aircraft engine.  I do remember 
that it was one of the most amazing and beautiful works of industrial 
art I have ever seen.

At 09:48 AM 11/12/2008, you wrote:
>Hi all -
>I watched a show today* that told about the famous ME109 of WW2 fame 
>- they said the ending was a "MB Inverted V12"
>
>What's the logic behind using an Inverted V configuration?  The Vs 
>tend to be pretty tight it appears.
>
>Is it to give the designers a better shape to work with?
>
>HP was quoted as being 1100-1400 depending on specific model -
>
>(* "Showdown - Air Combat" on the Military channel.)
>
>Sincerely,
>Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
>www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits &
>Porsche Posters/Weber parts
>.
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Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores

[Rich Thomas]

I bought a Sony outfit a year and half ago from some sleazebag NYC 
outfit, they sent a returned unit (probably rebuilt or maybe even a 
chinese faux knockoff), a cheap Chinese tele lens (though the order 
specified a Sony) and some other crap, it took about a month of back and 
forth until they refunded 85% (15% restocking fee!).  I then looked them 
up and found loads of horror stories, they appear to change names fairly 
frequently.  I was glad to get the 85% back.  I'll see if I can find the 
name of it.


They were your arab competitors, extremely rude and not even very 
skilled at lying, which they blatantly did.  Bunch of thieves.


---R

Gary Hurst wrote:

i used to use their arab competitors.  17th street photo or something like
that?

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

I'll second B&H but its not for the anti-semitic. Don't call on Saturday...

They can be a bit gruff on the phone but will help you if you're nice but
persistant.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:19:24 -0600
From: Dan Weeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ] Camera Stores
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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On Nov 11, 2008, at 10:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Anyone know of a camera store they'd highly recommend, or warn others
away from? I'm thinking Nikon D700 ---  need to take some dramatic
pictures of the MB fleet to rub in Kaleb's face -- and a daughter's
wedding, etc.
  

B&H Photo Video, a mail order house in NY.

I'm a professional photographer, among other things, and I order all
my stuff from them. Great prices, great service.

For used equipment, KEH in atlanta. Ditto.

Dan



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Re: [MBZ] MA inspection

[Donald Snook]

Dan wrote: "Thank God Iowa has no inspection whatsoever. They even stopped 
inspecting cars at owner transfer long time ago."

We have no inspections here in Kansas for yearly licensing (I wish we did, 
there are some very unsafe cars on the road).  The only inspection we have is 
if you bring a car in from another state, it has to be inspected. But, it is 
not a safety inspection, they just check to make sure it isn't stolen and they 
check to make sure the various vin plates all match.

In Missouri (where I am from), they do have safety inspections.  But, there was 
a system (at least in Springfield).  The crappier the place looked, the more 
likely you were to pass.  When I was at the dealership, we did inspections and 
I felt like the guys really did them.  I remember failing people who just went 
to the bad part of town and got an inspection.  I had a car when I was 17 that 
I knew wouldn't pass, so I went to one of those places.  Inspections were only 
$7 back then.  The guy asked for my money, gave me the sticker and told me to 
honk the horn before I left. That was the extent of his inspection.

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Re: [MBZ] Broken OM606 Glowplugs

[Loren Faeth]

I have seen several 126 gassers with it.  I always thaought a 126 
with hydraulic suspension would be nice.  However a 126 on springs is 
still as good as or better riding than a 123 with SLS.  I've had 
both; several 123 wagons.  The 126 wins, hands down.


At 10:04 AM 11/12/2008, you wrote:

Does the SDL have SLS? Its the SLS that makes the wagon amazing...


Not normally, but I believe it could be ordered with it.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] E320 fuel/electronic question

[Loren Faeth]

That indeed was Herr Doktor's mantra, but I have many 20 to 40 year 
old fuses working.  I did change the fuses with no result.


At 09:59 AM 11/12/2008, you wrote:


 -- Original message --
From: Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Yes, and I checked all the fuses last spring when it was doing
> this.

Fuses, you don't "Check Them, You change them!"

They actually build an internal resistance that will cause all kinds of grief.

All the "Old Timers" on this list have BTDT

Pete


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[MBZ] WW2 Daimler Benz Aircraft Engine

[Loren Faeth]

The USAF museum at Dayton O had a German ME109 engine sitting on the 
floor when i was there 20 some years ago.  It was an amazing engine 
to look at.  Compared to the contemporary engines from other 
countries, the engine was a work of art.  The engine is NOT Mercedes 
Benz.  They were built by Daimler Benz, and the engine tag clearly 
said Daimler Benz.


They are indeed a narrow inverted V design.  There was no comparable 
HP US engine/airframe combination, until later in the war: 1943 to 
1944.  The (GM) Allison was also a v12, and it was contemporary, 
first being used on a large scale on the Curtiss P-40.  The English 
had the Rolls Royce v12, as used in the Hurricane, the Spitfire and 
several other airframes.  These engines did not have the power/weight 
ratio or the HP of the DB engine until late in the war, as I previously stated.


The Germans used the DB v12 engine and a lightened version of the 
ME109 to set altitude and speed records form 1937 to 1939.  Many of 
those records stood for many many years.


Most of these three V type engines used a dry sump system to provide 
positive oil pressure in any position  I know the Allison and the DB 
did.  I am not sure about the RR engine, but I believe it was also dry sump.


MB content:  the MB 6.9 used a dry sump oil system.

I can't remember the M number of the aircraft engine.  I do remember 
that it was one of the most amazing and beautiful works of industrial 
art I have ever seen.


At 09:48 AM 11/12/2008, you wrote:

Hi all -
I watched a show today* that told about the famous ME109 of WW2 fame 
- they said the ending was a "MB Inverted V12"


What's the logic behind using an Inverted V configuration?  The Vs 
tend to be pretty tight it appears.


Is it to give the designers a better shape to work with?

HP was quoted as being 1100-1400 depending on specific model -

(* "Showdown - Air Combat" on the Military channel.)

Sincerely,
Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits &
Porsche Posters/Weber parts
.
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Re: [MBZ] MA inspection

[Dan Weeks]

On Nov 12, 2008, at 9:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


The state of MA is really ugly about inspection.


When my brother and I were teenagers growing up in MA back in the  
early '70s, the only way we got stickers on our various rag-tag beater  
foreign cars was by having our mom take them in for us. She'd dress up  
like a proper lady, drive into the station in, for example, a Fiat  
1500 roadster with more rust than sheetmetal, spin a big story about  
how her husband was going to restore it for her, and after getting a  
lecture "Lady, this car ain't SAFE" she'd generally drive out with a  
sticker. (Her training: my folks first car was an MG TD, and yes, mom  
can double-clutch.) As payback, I now let her drive my 300SD whenever  
she wants. She loves it like nothing she's ever driven before. Ditto  
my dad, the retired physicist.


The MA inspectors in my town would turn down gearhead kids with glee.

Thank God Iowa has no inspection whatsoever. They even stopped  
inspecting cars at owner transfer long time ago.


Dan

Left MA like a bat out of hell

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Re: [MBZ] Cameras

[Dan Weeks]

On Nov 12, 2008, at 9:07 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I was just looking at the prices on medium format Mamiya gear the  
other day, and was shocked at how low it was going.  The whole bag  
of Mamiya gear I own is worth about 10% of the new value these days.


Yeah--I have a bag of Mamiya 6x6 gear, too--two bodies, 4 lenses. May  
never use it again, but am sure not going to sell it given what it's  
worth now!


Dan



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Re: [MBZ] Broken OM606 Glowplugs

[Jim Cathey]

Does the SDL have SLS? Its the SLS that makes the wagon amazing...


Not normally, but I believe it could be ordered with it.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] E320 fuel/electronic question

[pm7088]

 -- Original message --
From: Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Yes, and I checked all the fuses last spring when it was doing 
> this.  

Fuses, you don't "Check Them, You change them!"

They actually build an internal resistance that will cause all kinds of grief.

All the "Old Timers" on this list have BTDT

Pete


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Re: [MBZ] Camera Stores

[Gary Hurst]

i used to use their arab competitors.  17th street photo or something like
that?

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'll second B&H but its not for the anti-semitic. Don't call on Saturday...
>
> They can be a bit gruff on the phone but will help you if you're nice but
> persistant.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:19:24 -0600
> From: Dan Weeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [MBZ] Camera Stores
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
>
> On Nov 11, 2008, at 10:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Anyone know of a camera store they'd highly recommend, or warn others
> > away from? I'm thinking Nikon D700 ---  need to take some dramatic
> > pictures of the MB fleet to rub in Kaleb's face -- and a daughter's
> > wedding, etc.
>
> B&H Photo Video, a mail order house in NY.
>
> I'm a professional photographer, among other things, and I order all
> my stuff from them. Great prices, great service.
>
> For used equipment, KEH in atlanta. Ditto.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
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