Re: [MBZ] stupid drivers
Yep. I do the exact same thing sometimes. I realize that were they to hit me as I turned, they would probably be at fault, but at the same time, I am essentially offering them a PIT maneuver. But yeah, I recognize that what they want most of all is me out of their way. Thus I know how to hurt them most. On the other hand, if I see a shred of common courtesy out of a driver, I will actually speed up in order to make their day a bit nicer. Brian 2008/12/18 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net What I do in cases like that is drive even slower, then when its time to turn, I almost come to a complete stop while turning. The half way smart ones figure it out and normal speed resumes. Sometimes people are so dumb they never get it. Zoltan Finks wrote: A few problems with drivers are amplified in SUVs. 1.) you feel less vulnerable so you act accordingly. Fear makes better drivers 2.) You are so well insulated and buried deep in soft seats and luxury you cant be in the proper mindset (I guess this isnt only in SUVs) 3.) and heres the big problem: The primal sense of -√Im bigger than you, so outa my way or else! -takes over. Recently I had a clown in a brand new big super duper Chevy dually try to intimidate me because I didnt accelerate as fast as he wanted to. Then, when I obeyed the residential speed limit of 25 he began put his brights on me (middle of the day, so not a big problem). He was so close to me all I could see out the back window was grill. I could hear his diesel engine raving. When I got to my driveway, he roared off after flashing his lights a few times. I turned around and followed the way he went, thinking I may see him at a certain spot down the road. Sure enough he was there. I pulled in front of where he was parked and asked if it was him that had been flashing at me. At first he tried to deny he knew what I was talking about, but then he started justifying his actions, saying he thought there might be something wrong with me. I told him that where I come from tailgating is a sign of aggression. You could tell the guy just wanted me to go away. Seems his bravado had diminished now that he was confronted face to face. I told him he was an f-ing coward then I left. And thats what I find these days: Tailgating and aggressive driving doesnt seem to be anything personal or angry anymore. Its just standard procedure when the person in front of you is going slower than you want to go. Brian -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/dd77e827/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] a touch out of my price range and I'd fell obligated to clean it now and then
http://jalopnik.com/5113933/2009-mercedes-mclaren-slr-sterling-moss Perhaps for the more monetary challenged the GM auction might be a place to find something http://jalopnik.com/5113113/gm-to-auction-near+classics-from-corporate-museum?skyline=trues=i Hendrik ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 280SEL w. 4.5? liter engine 87k original miles? Asking$2000 OBO
Supposedly, MB engineers said this sedan was the best they ever built (the remar was made in the mid 90s) and having owned 2 280SEs 4.5 - I can believe it. Except for rust problems (rockers, bumper support, headlight boxes) they were awesome. Engine got 14/15 mpg but would spin the tires at 45mph when passing gear was engaged. Wish I still had one - wish I could afford to maintain one properly too -- ;-) Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts Test Results - http://members.rennlist.com/oil/ http://www.scamfreetop10.com/1233.html . - Original Message - From: s223x...@juno.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: s223x...@juno.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: [MBZ] 1972 280SEL w. 4.5? liter engine 87k original miles? Asking$2000 OBO I have No interest in this car, but friend told me about it; looks good in out; may need some paint supposed to have 87,000 miles on it? is this inda HIGH price for old MB? or is it a collector car Location; Ok. hwy 9 in Stigler, Ok. Steve Save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! Shop now at http://offers.juno.com/TGL1141/?u=http://www.ftd.com/17007 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clunk
relng...@aol.com wrote: You are describing the Chrysler lift-and-wait transmission. GM automatics were Hydra-Matic, even in them days. What was the LaSalle tranny like? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
it was asked are you saying that he would have gotten treated at the local hospital for free Absolutely - it is illegal for a hospital to turn away people in need of emergency care. One reason ERs are often crowded is people w/o insurance go there when they have a cold or flu - they get treated - they cannot go to their doctor and get the same care for free - he's under no obligation to treat people for free (yet) Basing your understanding of healthcare or anything else on what you see in a movie is a terrible thing to do - mixing entertainment with facts often ends up distorted. BTW, Moore is a moron out to make himself rich. When he need healthcare I wonder if he goes to UK, Canada or Cuba? Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts Test Results - http://members.rennlist.com/oil/ http://www.scamfreetop10.com/1233.html . - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 1:08 AM Subject: [MBZ] Socialism Yes but a Government is charged with looking after ALL it's citizens. Plenty of use think that it is, in fact, not. At the start of the movie Moore showed a bloke putting stitches in his knee because he has no health insurance, are you saying that he would have gotten treated at the local hospital for free? As I understand it, yes. I do believe there is a system in place called unemployment benefits which enable those with no means to buy food, although if they do or not is questionable. Those are State-run, not Federal, and such benefits are limited to those who have been employed. Also, they run out, and there are often strings attached. All as it should be, IMHO. I don't believe in funding charity at the point of a gun, which is what any State-run program is. Our system is badly broken, but I haven't seen any other system that I believe is fundamentally better, all things considered. I think that what we just signed up for, a Health Savings Account in conjunction with a high deductible, is one of the better ideas I've heard about. What we _need_, is a health care system that encourages competition, and thus the application of everybody's brain, rather than some hidden somebody-else-pays-except-that-it's-really-me-if-you-dig-deep-enough kind of system. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
Ed wrote health care is not to find cures, as there is no money to be made it that Jonas Salk would probably disagree - and all the people who *didn;t* get polio should thank him. He cured Polio by prevented people contracting it. Have you considered it may be *impossible* to cure some diseases? You seem to think there's something wrong with treating people who are ill? IMO they just should be treated and those doing the treating should be paid - they car. like the people who work on your - Are you proposing a different solution? Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts Test Results - http://members.rennlist.com/oil/ http://www.scamfreetop10.com/1233.html . - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Socialism One thing people often forget, the business of health care is not to find cures, as there is no money to be made it that, the goal is to find ways to manage health problems, over a long period of time. That's where the money is folks. ;-) Ed 300E 2008/12/13 Lee Einer l...@dosmanosjewelry.com Doesn't surprise me. I lived in Detroit for more than a decade, and the folks over the bridge in Windsor, at least those I spoke to, were really pretty happy with their health insurance. I had a (formerly) Canadian co-worker who had lived under both their system and ours, and she was in retrospect quite appreciative of Canadian health care. What many people don't get is how incredibly lucrative U.S. healthcare is. It is the sixth ranking sector of our economy. A corollary of this is that there is immense money and power behind the preservation of the status quo. What many people also don't get is that the American healthcare system does very well at what it is intended to do - make money. No kidding, I've been there, it is a gravy train second only to petroleum and defense contracting. The problem is, when it is you or your loved one facing a grave illness, you really wish the primary purpose of the system was to save lives and make people better. Lee Peter Frederick wrote: All the howling and insurance company advertising aside, my experience with the Ontario single payer plan was quite good -- at least for my friends and colleagues, as I didn't use it in the three years I was there. My taxes were lower in Canda, too. Peter On Dec 13, 2008, at 3:09 AM, Hendrik Fay wrote: Interesting read but more left wing loony stuff no doubt http://allcountries.org/health/usa_health_care_2008_nyt.html Hendrik Fay wrote: Moore used Canada, Great Britain, France and Cuba's health systems as examples of ones where the collective pays for the individual to get treated for medical problems. According to him all those countries peoples have a longer life expectancy than those in the US and lower infant mortality (although according to the WHO statistics Cuba is lower than the US). Of course you can't entirely blame the health system on this but it makes you wonder if a profit driven system is a good idea. From memory the US is ranked 37 on the list of good health care systems, whilst expenditure per capita is number 1. http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html Also spends the second most as a % of GDP http://www.photius.com/rankings/total_health_expenditure_as_pecent_of_gdp_2000_to_2005.html So this leads me to think that money is not the problem but how and on what it is spend in the system. Whilst Australia is ranked 29 in the % of GDP and 17 in per capita and the overall rank in 2000 was 32 but number 2 in life expectancy. I can understand Japan being number one in the life expectancy rank, probably due to diet and genetics but Australia is a mixed bag (as the US is) and our indigenous population has a shocking life expectancy rate. Hendrik who is not a statistician ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Lee If you would be unloved and forgotten, be reasonable. - Kurt Vonnegut ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used
Re: [MBZ] The elephant in the room: $36.50 per bbl of crude!
yes, manipulated, as i said was the case when the price got jacked up to 150. there is no way that demand suddenly drives up prices like that. interestingly, all the talking heads on the TV were telling us we'd never see under 4 dollar a gallon gas again and figures such as 10 dollars plus were the inevitable near future. i fear we have again been punked. not sure if i read here or elsewhere that the saudis will not allow such bubbles to stand as they know that at a certain point the white man will get up off his lazy ass and start looking at alternatives to fossil fuels. below a certain point, the white man ceases all such research and continues on straight to cocktails. On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: You/we have all been and are being manipulated. There was no fundamental reason 6 months ago (actually it was more like 4) for oil to be $150/bbl. Demand and supply do not change that rapidly worldwide (either run up or run down due to supply/demand). The hurricanes did not really affect much, no terror attacks on infrastructure. Economies of China and India and Europe and the US do not turn on a dime like that. Violence aimed at the supply have not materialized, and overall stuff seems to be calmer, save the India thing, 5 or 6 guys going off. It takes time to pump, transport, refine, distribute, etc. oil and fuel -- that time scale is longer than 4 months I think. Elasticity of price cannot be 4x for a 5% decline in demand (which is what I think I heard yesterday, may be a tad more). That would just be crazy. Fundamentals of oil and the economy did not change that rapidly to justify all the changes in those situations. You gotta ask, what has happened in the last few months? What important event? Who stands to lose, and who stands to gain? Therein I believe lies the answer. Not sure what it is (part of it maybe) but that is where to look. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: So why isn't anyone talking about this? Oil has come down what, $100? in the past 6 months. Low test gas is under $1.50/gallon (but I still paid $3.21 last night for diesel at the local pump). Will the spread between low test and diesel continue to exceed $1.50? What does this all mean? will the spread ever come down, or is that a function of home heating oil demand? Another thought. If you lose our job because of the national deflation/depression does that mean you can also find it affordable to drive all over the country looking for work? These are scary times! -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081218/b0fc98e6/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/14826a16/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 10%?
the ex wife has a corporate job. everybody is maybe really busy for a few days every month or even for a bit longer certain times of year. outside of that, it is largely a social club. i once had a corporate job and very little actual work went on there either. On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:37 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...Imagine the economic impact of 10% of our workforce not working for a month?... Ten percent hell. Just look how many are posting endlessly to this list on company time everyday. RLE ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp; icid=aolcom40vanityamp;ncid=emlcntaolcom0025) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081218/dda211ac/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/025766d6/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The elephant in the room: $36.50 per bbl of crude!
Gary Hurst wrote: interestingly, all the talking heads on the TV were telling us we'd never see under 4 dollar a gallon gas again and figures such as 10 dollars plus were the inevitable near future. They are a reliable indicator as long as you bet against them. When EVERYBODY who was predicting down or standing on the sidelines finally agrees that it will keep going up, then that's the time to sell. Front month oil hit $147 at the time when predictions of $200 oil were being shouted the loudest. More recently, when oil was heading for $40, I was suddenly reading a daily litany of predictions in the $25 range. Sure enough, it touched $40 and ran back up to $50 (January contract) in about three days. The January contract expires today. Looks like there are still long speculators trying to get out of the January contract, because it's at $34 this morning while February is at $42. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Socialism
LarryT wrote: Jonas Salk would probably disagree - and all the people who *didn;t* get polio should thank him. He cured Polio by prevented people contracting it. Jonas Salk is my hero. Now that everybody, including the CDC, is admitting that the majority of USA polio cases in my lifetime were caused by the Sabin vaccine, maybe we can go back to immunizing infants with the Salk vaccine. The Salk vaccine, first tested on a large scale in 1954, involves injection of dead poliomyelitis virus. The Sabin vaccine, which came out about ten years later, involves oral dosage of weakened live virus. The only reasons the government won't change back to the safe vaccine is that they think oral dosage is more convenient, and institutional inertia. Either somebody at the health department was passing around a really nasty flu bug the day I got the Sabin vaccine in 1965, or they had a batch of too strong vaccine. I (age one) and a neighbor girl (about ten) got a nasty stomach flu later that week. Mine was accompanied by partial left side paralysis, hers wasn't. I couldn't walk, and if Mom stood me up my left leg would buckle and I'd fall down. The paralysis went away with the fever, but from then on my right foot and leg outgrew the left, and I still have a general stiffness and minor lack of motor response in the left side. My shoe sizes are 11C and 8 1/2D, and my right leg is now 3/4 longer than the left. Either I have CP, that coincidentally began to crop up after getting the flu, which coincidentally happened after getting live polio vaccine, or the Salk vaccine I received in 1964 failed to protect me from the Sabin vaccine I received in 1965. Both possibilities seem very unlikely, but one of them happened. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] stupid drivers
I have never driven a cycle, never hit one, and have great respect for most of the drivers, I see them as a thrilling and dangerous choice of transportation. Mike Western Michigan - 6 since last night and another 6 on the way, plus 25 mile per sustained winds. I am staying home today. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:22 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] stupid drivers It would be interesting to find out how many of us have a motorcycle endorsement on our license. I don't mean I rode one once back in high school but currently ride (legally). My license is DM (D=chauffeur, M=motorcycle). On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I'd make everybody learn to ride a motorcycle. Learning to ride a motorcycle makes you a better driver and makes most people more courteous... -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081218/e4 4bed5c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM killed the Diesel WAS: The 65-mpg car Ford won't sell in US
Jeff Zedic jze...@gmail.com writes: MB has started to compete with the classic London black cab here. The have made a taxi version of the Vito, I think it is. Here (in my town) they are all Scion xBs (the box-on-wheels thing) Most places in the US seem to use Crown Vics though. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] stupid drivers
Zoltan Finks msuchpo...@gmail.com writes: Yep. I do the exact same thing sometimes. I realize that were they to hit me as I turned, they would probably be at fault, but at the same time, I am essentially offering them a PIT maneuver. If someone hits you from behind, they are almost always at fault. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 7:04 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Socialism it was asked are you saying that he would have gotten treated at the local hospital for free Absolutely - it is illegal for a hospital to turn away people in need of emergency care. When my daughter moved back to the US from Antigua she had no insurance and some health issues. When she was so ill she could barely walk she went to an ER and was given what seemed a pretty cursory exam and diagnosis, and sent on her way. A few hours later she was bad enough that my wife took off from work to take her to a more distant - but very good - county hospital where she spent a week in great pain and distress. The first hospital didn't refuse to treat her, they just did a half-assed job of it - barely enough to cover the appearance of the legal requirement - to get her out the door. Perhaps she wouldn't have died without treatment, but had she been alone during that time it would seem a real possibility. Illegal to turn away a sick person? Yes, but that is not the whole story. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM killed the Diesel WAS: The 65-mpg car Ford won't sell in US
Allan Streib wrote: Most places in the US seem to use Crown Vics though. The taxi companies buy them at government surplus auctions. Better to pay $2-3k for a used cop car than to pay $25k for a new one. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The 65-mpg car Ford won't sell in US
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I dont think all the blame can be put on GM. Its just most people do not like diesels anyway. They think of them as too slow, loud, smelly etc. That and the fact that diesel is selling for so much more right now. I let a co-worker drive my CDI the other day... Told him he could get on it, and his response was Holy cow! From a diesel John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM killed the Diesel WAS: The 65-mpg car Ford won't sell in US
Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes: The taxi companies buy them at government surplus auctions. Better to pay $2-3k for a used cop car than to pay $25k for a new one. Our local cab company is a bit eccentric when it comes to cars. Now, they're using Scions. Before that it was mostly Crown Vics. In the past (since the Checker Cab era ended) we've also had periods where they used those black British-looking cars (they didn't seem to last very long) , K-cars (a disaster), Caprices, and a few others. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Worms
Perhaps better for the warmer climes. AS needs one. ---R http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/12/bathtub_to_diy_worm_farm.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The elephant in the room: $36.50 per bbl of crude!
Petroleum market is hardly close to free. It is manipulated offshore by a cartel, and in most producing countries by nutcases like chaveZ. Onshore it is severely hobbled by layers and layers of regulation (and taxes) which prevents access to the market by all but the biggies. Have you noticed that where say 40 years ago we had lots of domestic oil companies, now most of the major brands are owned by offshore companies? That is a result of overregulation and overtaxing hampering entry into the market of new competitors. BP Amoco: Brits, Royal Dutch Shell: nuf said. Citgo: chaveZ Fina:French My guess is that the few so -called US companies like cocnoco Phillips are moving all they can offshore The problem is not free market chaos, but the regulatory and tax system taking the chaoticness OUT of the martket. BASIC PRODUCTIVITY LESSON: The most productive systems appear chaotic to the outside, but are HIGHLY organized at the lowest levels. This is because if left to their own devices in a free market, each individual acts to maximize their own productivity to achieve the best rewards. (individuals, whether people or companies, self regulate and no outside planning is needed.) UNproductive systems appear HIGHLY organized from the outside, but are highly DISORGANIZED at the low levels. This is the classic soviet system. they pretend to pay us, so we pretend to work Because of the highly controlled (Central planning) system, there are lots of regulations and oversight in place. This provides a disincentive to the individual. At 10:46 PM 12/18/2008, you wrote: Just goes to prove that unregulated free markets are just mostly chaos in operation. Peter Loren Faeth -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/26cc61b6/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clunk
RLE wrote: You are describing the Chrysler lift-and-wait transmission. GM automatics were Hydra-Matic, even in them days. Well it was a Cadillac, I know that. That's all he drove. His wife got a new Cadillac every two years and he drove the old 41 for 50+ years. I may have described the operation of the transmission incorrectly. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/25029d4a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clunk
Peter wrote: Sure it wasn't a Buick Twin Turbine? Only had forward and reverse from the planetary set, though, with high and low slip turbines clutched in. Had to be driven off foot to the floor and out of slow slip fast to keep it from burning up tranny juce, they were famous for smoking the fluid. I shudder to think of the fuel milage I know this car was a Cadillac. That is all he drove. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/19ead60a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 blower cutting in and out
Just replace the blower. Yes three screws and be done with it.. Douglas I had posted a few weeks ago that my heater blower suddenly was not working one morning. After a while, I tried thumping a fist on the dash and it came back to life, speculation as I recall was that the motor needed new brushes, or needed to be replaced soon. Now, more often, it is randomly cutting in and out. I can usually get it to come back on by cycling the ACC buttons, beating on the dash, or both. Sometimes I just have to wait and it will cut in again after a while. I'm wondering now if this is more like an ACC that needs to be resoldered. I'm pretty sure someone has a write up on that, but don't know who. Anyone got a link? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Socialism
Mitch wrote: My shoe sizes are 11C and 8 1/2D, and my right leg is now 3/4 longer than the left Seriously? How do you buy shoes? Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/88548c91/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Classics was Re: its a Reagan era sedan
Ed, I wish. I was already 34 when the 80s rolled around. On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:41 PM, E M pokieba...@gmail.com wrote: Andrew, please please tell me you didn't have a picture of a Ford Taurus hanging on your wall as a teen in the 80's! lol. Ed 300E -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/7af03080/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] stupid drivers
motorcyclists...seem to crowd the center line as they are heading toward you. 1) Better visibility. (How to be Seen.) 2) Avoids oil slick in center of lane 3) Avoids ruts in lane. I myself tend to drive the car with the wheels up out of the ruts. Lots smoother, and usually less 'darty'. If it weren't for #3 they'd probably be riding less close to the center. The shoulder stripe area would be just as good, but disastrous from a safety perspective. Oh, and riding _on_ the paint line is Bad, they oughtn't be doing that. Poor traction. Crowding it, maybe yes. Touching it, no. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] a touch out of my price range and I'd fell obligated to clean it now and then
ugh Zedic ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] stupid drivers
Angie and I both have M endorsements. -Curt Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:21:32 -0600 From: Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] stupid drivers To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 61dfb08b0812181621o1cb73ee4k2801413468fdf...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 It would be interesting to find out how many of us have a motorcycle endorsement on our license. I don't mean I rode one once back in high school but currently ride (legally). My license is DM (D=chauffeur, M=motorcycle). On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I'd make everybody learn to ride a motorcycle. Learning to ride a motorcycle makes you a better driver and makes most people more courteous... -Curt -- next part -- -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/5a17123c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The elephant in the room: $36.50 per bbl of crude!
If the worldwide recession lasts another year the oil hoarders will get scr*wed. I guess that will provide a degree of solace for the rest of the world... -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/1b1c44f1/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clunk
My first two cars were 1950 DeSotos with the semi-automatic transmission. There was a clutch and shifter lever but you ddn't need to use them, instead changing gears by easing off on the throttle. They were also known as slushomatics for obvious reasons (they clunked loudly). The funny thing is, they were impossible to stall. Didn't Mercedes make a similar transmission in the 50s, known as the Hydrak? On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Peter wrote: Sure it wasn't a Buick Twin Turbine? Only had forward and reverse from the planetary set, though, with high and low slip turbines clutched in. Had to be driven off foot to the floor and out of slow slip fast to keep it from burning up tranny juce, they were famous for smoking the fluid. I shudder to think of the fuel milage I know this car was a Cadillac. That is all he drove. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/19ead60a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/028517a7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Socialism
He always buys two pair at a time? On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Mitch wrote: My shoe sizes are 11C and 8 1/2D, and my right leg is now 3/4 longer than the left Seriously? How do you buy shoes? Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/88548c91/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/4c01277b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ultra loooow
when it went into effect depends on where you are, and what type of vehicles you're referring to; the implementation wasn't the same for all vehicle types or the same in all states. cheers! e relng...@aol.com wrote: ...Oh almost forgot the ultra-low-sulfur requirements that went into effect in 2008 -- that's gotta be bumping the price some... October 2007. RLE -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/3302c71d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] motorcyclists (was: Re: stupid drivers)
hand up me! although my bicycles typically see more butt time than my BMW GS does these last few years, i'm still averaging about 10K miles/year on the moto. cheers! e Wonko the Sane wrote: It would be interesting to find out how many of us have a motorcycle endorsement on our license. I don't mean I rode one once back in high school but currently ride (legally). My license is DM (D=chauffeur, M=motorcycle). On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I'd make everybody learn to ride a motorcycle. Learning to ride a motorcycle makes you a better driver and makes most people more courteous... -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081218/e44bed5c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/82f55bcb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Socialism
andrew strasfogel wrote: He always buys two pair at a time? Naw, I'm too cheap. I buy big and keep the laces tight. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clunk
Hydrak was not a slushbox. Hydrak is an automatic clutch and gear shift on a manual transmission. Elegant in concept, but problematic in operation because if the many adjustments that cascade effects. At 09:42 AM 12/19/2008, you wrote: My first two cars were 1950 DeSotos with the semi-automatic transmission. There was a clutch and shifter lever but you ddn't need to use them, instead changing gears by easing off on the throttle. They were also known as slushomatics for obvious reasons (they clunked loudly). The funny thing is, they were impossible to stall. Didn't Mercedes make a similar transmission in the 50s, known as the Hydrak? On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Peter wrote: Sure it wasn't a Buick Twin Turbine? Only had forward and reverse from the planetary set, though, with high and low slip turbines clutched in. Had to be driven off foot to the floor and out of slow slip fast to keep it from burning up tranny juce, they were famous for smoking the fluid. I shudder to think of the fuel milage I know this car was a Cadillac. That is all he drove. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/19ead60a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/028517a7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Snew
Gilson no longer exists, and parts are disappearing rapidly. I have the same problem with my Gilson lawn tractor. Every time I go down to the local muffler shop to have my buddy weld up another piece, he razzes me about just getting a new one. hey, it was good enough in 1979, why shouldn't it be good enough today? Gilson was sold to Lawnboy who was sold to Toro, and somewhere in there the ability to cross Gilson part numbers, or even find them, disappeared. :^( Gary Thompson 1995 E320 On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 10:08 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@cnsp.com wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 18:34:57 -0800 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Turns out that I can actually get another Gilson gear, which is a sacrificial bronze part. But they want $70, probably plus shipping. Hardly seems worth it for a $75 blower. Low demand = high price. The neighbors have an extra, I'll look into that. Blower or gear? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM killed the Diesel WAS: The 65-mpg car Ford won't sell in US
Also because there is a special livery version that is only sold to the taxi and limo companies. It's like an SEL version - the back seat is deeper and has more legroom. Dan --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] GM killed the Diesel WAS: The 65-mpg car Ford won't sell in US To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 8:55 AM Allan Streib wrote: Most places in the US seem to use Crown Vics though. The taxi companies buy them at government surplus auctions. Better to pay $2-3k for a used cop car than to pay $25k for a new one. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT HDMI cable
I have no idea as to whether cable differences make any difference in quality of digital TV type signals but, for those who don't know, interconnect cables can make a huge difference with high end stereo equipment . . . as much as replacing hardware (e.g., amp or preamp), and there are some out there $1K for a 3' length. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/1ef87a97/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] trans relearn
relng...@aol.com wrote: Unless this is an electronically controlled 5 or 7-speed, it doesn't have one. Relearning the trans module is a defined procedure which takes several miles of stop/start driving. I did it in my '01 C320 using a printout from a dealer tech after he zeroed it out for me. After I was finished, shift points were more evenly spaced, kickdown response improved and overall operation was better. Yep... '05 CDI. Saw the procedure in the DVD just the other night. Not quite sure how to actually reset the computer though. Supposedly there is a trick where you can reset it using the gas pedal (key on, floor, key off) or some other hack like that. My torque converter is locking up REALLY early so may try that sometime. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clunk
Donald, Peter, et al. I had a gas station in '70-71 and traded for a '61 Cadillac (don't ask). It had a Dual-range transmission. Step on the gas and it would gather momentum until about 30mph or so when this weird sliding transfer would take place and you were in the upper range. Never failed, but was a strange sensation, if you were paying attention to the car. Fred Moir Lynn MA Peter wrote: Sure it wasn't a Buick Twin Turbine? Only had forward and reverse from the planetary set, though, with high and low slip turbines clutched in. Had to be driven off foot to the floor and out of slow slip fast to keep it from burning up tranny juce, they were famous for smoking the fluid. I shudder to think of the fuel milage I know this car was a Cadillac. That is all he drove. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The elephant in the room: $36.50 per bbl of crude!
andrew strasfogel wrote: Will the spread between low test and diesel continue to exceed $1.50? What does this all mean? will the spread ever come down, or is that a function of home heating oil demand? Yep... when ULSD came out a new market for diesel opened up... Europe. So the demand went up a good bit, and the prices followed. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT HDMI cable
Thanks Glenn, That was the exact jest of the article. Folks are used to that variable using stereo equipment but is not a concern when using HDMI cable. Gold, etc makes no difference. John On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Glenn Brown gmb010...@gmail.com wrote: I have no idea as to whether cable differences make any difference in quality of digital TV type signals but, for those who don't know, interconnect cables can make a huge difference with high end stereo equipment . . . as much as replacing hardware (e.g., amp or preamp), and there are some out there $1K for a 3' length. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/1ef87a97/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dealership
Donald Snook wrote: For the $10 oil change you got Pennzoil 10-30 or Pennzoil 5-30. If you have special oil requests that costs more -- or you bring the oil with you. We used to have lots of people who would bring in oil and filter. In that case, the oil change cost $2.71 (probably up to $3-4 now). That is amazing! I would definitely take my cars there for something I didn't feel like doing, and they would get my recommendation every time anyone brought up working on a car. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT HDMI cable
Digits are different from waves. Digits either get there or not, waves can get wavier. --R Glenn Brown wrote: I have no idea as to whether cable differences make any difference in quality of digital TV type signals but, for those who don't know, interconnect cables can make a huge difference with high end stereo equipment . . . as much as replacing hardware (e.g., amp or preamp), and there are some out there $1K for a 3' length. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/1ef87a97/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '43
Yes, production of '42 domestic automobiles was nearly nil; one of my uncles had a new two-tone (brown and cream) '42 Chevy Fleetline (roof sloping down toward the rear); 'never knew anything about any '43's, '44's, '45's 'cept for military painted olive drab or grey with painted trim. '46's were nearly identical to the few '42's, but I could tell'em apart by the parking lights, strip of chrome on trunk, etc. Wilton - Original Message - From: relng...@aol.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '43 ...I bet 1942 production was way down, and I don't think there were 1943 models... Military staff cars and such. Painted trim. RLE ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp; icid=aolcom40vanityamp;ncid=emlcntaolcom0025) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081218/58 d3b698/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT HDMI cable
Glenn Brown wrote: I have no idea as to whether cable differences make any difference in quality of digital TV type signals Digits are different from waves. Digits either get there or not, waves can get wavier. --R Good explanation! Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Dead/dying battery
It seems the battery in my W115 is going: it failed to start at lunch on the battery alone, but when I put my 450A boost box it cranked right up. Probably not coincidentally, my clock has been losing substantial time while parked, and keeps fine while driving, so I'm suspecting the battery rather than the alternator. The battery in the car is a 1000CCA, class 49-1. Big big battery. Dated 7/05 but I don't know its maintenance history, it is obvious the car sat for some time before I got it. 1) I have the parallel glow plugs, so is it safe to go down to the W123 850CCA in a new battery? 2) I have several ~450CCA batteries from my Volvo days on a slow-charge in the basement, at last test they were good. Assuming I do a reasonable wiring job would it be safe to use two or even three in parallel? Primarly concerned about the circuits in the car if one of the batteries goes low, not so much about the shortened lifespan of the batteries. 3) What are the chances it's a weak alternator or stuck light switch versus battery? I should be able to tell with my voltmeter/ammeter, right? 4) Is there any way to refurb the battery, or better to just trade it in? Thanks in advance, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] motorcyclists (was: Re: stupid drivers)
I have a MC license and two bikes, a 1976 BMW R75/6 and a 1992 Harley-Davidson FLHTCU (a dresser for all you non-Harley guys). Tom www.kegkits.com Quoting ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org: hand up me! although my bicycles typically see more butt time than my BMW GS does these last few years, i'm still averaging about 10K miles/year on the moto. cheers! e Wonko the Sane wrote: It would be interesting to find out how many of us have a motorcycle endorsement on our license. I don't mean I rode one once back in high school but currently ride (legally). My license is DM (D=chauffeur, M=motorcycle). On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I'd make everybody learn to ride a motorcycle. Learning to ride a motorcycle makes you a better driver and makes most people more courteous... -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081218/e44bed5c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/82f55bcb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead/dying battery
Tim, Before blaming tha battery, try this - with the engine off! Reach down grab the alternator pulley twist to see if it will slip in the belt. It should not slip no matter how much pressure you apply and if it does the belt is too loose. Tom www.kegkits.com Quoting Tim C. bb...@crone.us: It seems the battery in my W115 is going: it failed to start at lunch on the battery alone, but when I put my 450A boost box it cranked right up. Probably not coincidentally, my clock has been losing substantial time while parked, and keeps fine while driving, so I'm suspecting the battery rather than the alternator. The battery in the car is a 1000CCA, class 49-1. Big big battery. Dated 7/05 but I don't know its maintenance history, it is obvious the car sat for some time before I got it. 1) I have the parallel glow plugs, so is it safe to go down to the W123 850CCA in a new battery? 2) I have several ~450CCA batteries from my Volvo days on a slow-charge in the basement, at last test they were good. Assuming I do a reasonable wiring job would it be safe to use two or even three in parallel? Primarly concerned about the circuits in the car if one of the batteries goes low, not so much about the shortened lifespan of the batteries. 3) What are the chances it's a weak alternator or stuck light switch versus battery? I should be able to tell with my voltmeter/ammeter, right? 4) Is there any way to refurb the battery, or better to just trade it in? Thanks in advance, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dead/dying battery
Most group 49 batteries are 1000ca, 850 or 875cca. A good one spins a diesel very nicely. If the existing one has a lot of warranty left, I'd trade it in and take the discount. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] motorcyclists (was: Re: stupid drivers)
I still have the motorcycle endorsement on my licence too. I have had 3 Hondas. My last was a 79 Goldwing. I don't have any now and don't have any plans to acquire one either. In this country, the season for riding is too short and the insurance is very expensive. Add that to the fact that I am getting old and more concerned about the healing process if I were to get knocked off of it and I will just stick with my old MB, which my sons refer to as the tank. I hear, that if you scrape the paint off, it says panzer. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of tharg...@hiwaay.net Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 12:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] motorcyclists (was: Re: stupid drivers) I have a MC license and two bikes, a 1976 BMW R75/6 and a 1992 Harley-Davidson FLHTCU (a dresser for all you non-Harley guys). Tom www.kegkits.com Quoting ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org: hand up me! although my bicycles typically see more butt time than my BMW GS does these last few years, i'm still averaging about 10K miles/year on the moto. cheers! e Wonko the Sane wrote: It would be interesting to find out how many of us have a motorcycle endorsement on our license. I don't mean I rode one once back in high school but currently ride (legally). My license is DM (D=chauffeur, M=motorcycle). On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:49 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I'd make everybody learn to ride a motorcycle. Learning to ride a motorcycle makes you a better driver and makes most people more courteous... -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081218/e44bed5c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/82f55bcb/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] stupid drivers
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 09:33:10PM -0600, Fmiser wrote: Wonko wrote: Plain old Class C (standard) good enough to drive someone in your personal vehicle for a psychotropic med check. A base level operators license in most states is a Class F. Is Iowa different? Mine is Class A with PTN endorsements. (Passenger, Triple, taNk) California the generic license is a class C. B gives you vehicles over 26k gross, A gives you that and trailers over 10k gross. If you are driving something over 40 feet, with air brakes (that isn't a motorhome) or has more than two axles and is heavier than a one ton truck, you need a B anyways. California also has a noncommercial A and B, as well as a commercial C (basically for hazmat in a less than 26k truck), and splits the motorcycle endorsement at 250cc (iirc). I've only ridden one motored two wheeled vehicle, a friend's honda 50, but it was on private property so no endorsement required. Only endorsement I have is 'special restriction 41', which is the largely unknown endoresement for pulling a fifth wheel up to 15k gross without a class A. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The elephant in the room: $36.50 per bbl of crude!
The Euro market is why BioD made in the USA is rarely seen here except for a few Coop stations. Most of what is made here is shipped to Europe. Because of that, Diesel prices have not been affected in the USA. Ethanol production is much higher, and is sold in the domestic market; therefore the price of gasoline has been affected by competition. At 11:42 AM 12/19/2008, you wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: Will the spread between low test and diesel continue to exceed $1.50? What does this all mean? will the spread ever come down, or is that a function of home heating oil demand? Yep... when ULSD came out a new market for diesel opened up... Europe. So the demand went up a good bit, and the prices followed. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clunk
Fred, I'm wondering if this was the infamous Jetaway 200 THM model that was on early 60s Caddys. I had a 62 Fleetwood that had one of these transmissions, and it worked great. Until a vane in one of the internal torus' broke off, that is. I got to see the guy rebuild it, and there were two separate fluid couplings (like miniature torque converters) inside. I could get close to 20 mpg in that car fully loaded (6,000#) on the highway. Dan --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net wrote: From: Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clunk To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 12:33 PM Donald, Peter, et al. I had a gas station in '70-71 and traded for a '61 Cadillac (don't ask). It had a Dual-range transmission. Step on the gas and it would gather momentum until about 30mph or so when this weird sliding transfer would take place and you were in the upper range. Never failed, but was a strange sensation, if you were paying attention to the car. Fred Moir Lynn MA Peter wrote: Sure it wasn't a Buick Twin Turbine? Only had forward and reverse from the planetary set, though, with high and low slip turbines clutched in. Had to be driven off foot to the floor and out of slow slip fast to keep it from burning up tranny juce, they were famous for smoking the fluid. I shudder to think of the fuel milage I know this car was a Cadillac. That is all he drove. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 280SEL w. 4.5? liter engine 87k original miles?Asking$2000 OBO
Larry ;aptly put . These are lovely cars with a touch of elegance and class. mak 300sel 3.5 - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 280SEL w. 4.5? liter engine 87k original miles?Asking$2000 OBO Supposedly, MB engineers said this sedan was the best they ever built (the remar was made in the mid 90s) and having owned 2 280SEs 4.5 - I can believe it. Except for rust problems (rockers, bumper support, headlight boxes) they were awesome. Engine got 14/15 mpg but would spin the tires at 45mph when passing gear was engaged. Wish I still had one - wish I could afford to maintain one properly too -- ;-) Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts Test Results - http://members.rennlist.com/oil/ http://www.scamfreetop10.com/1233.html . - Original Message - From: s223x...@juno.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: s223x...@juno.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: [MBZ] 1972 280SEL w. 4.5? liter engine 87k original miles? Asking$2000 OBO I have No interest in this car, but friend told me about it; looks good in out; may need some paint supposed to have 87,000 miles on it? is this inda HIGH price for old MB? or is it a collector car Location; Ok. hwy 9 in Stigler, Ok. Steve Save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! Shop now at http://offers.juno.com/TGL1141/?u=http://www.ftd.com/17007 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] stupid drivers
Not very often. We are all under one roof now, rather than spread out in three different buildings. On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:26 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Do you still haul fatasses in your Benz? --R -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/4713c3c7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clunk
Is that mileage figure a result of: 1) the transmission design, 2) your driving habits (e.g., not exceeding 55 mph, or 3) the use of a lead supplement in the fuel? ; On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 2:43 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Fred, I'm wondering if this was the infamous Jetaway 200 THM model that was on early 60s Caddys. I had a 62 Fleetwood that had one of these transmissions, and it worked great. Until a vane in one of the internal torus' broke off, that is. I got to see the guy rebuild it, and there were two separate fluid couplings (like miniature torque converters) inside. I could get close to 20 mpg in that car fully loaded (6,000#) on the highway. Dan --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net wrote: From: Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clunk To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 12:33 PM Donald, Peter, et al. I had a gas station in '70-71 and traded for a '61 Cadillac (don't ask). It had a Dual-range transmission. Step on the gas and it would gather momentum until about 30mph or so when this weird sliding transfer would take place and you were in the upper range. Never failed, but was a strange sensation, if you were paying attention to the car. Fred Moir Lynn MA Peter wrote: Sure it wasn't a Buick Twin Turbine? Only had forward and reverse from the planetary set, though, with high and low slip turbines clutched in. Had to be driven off foot to the floor and out of slow slip fast to keep it from burning up tranny juce, they were famous for smoking the fluid. I shudder to think of the fuel milage I know this car was a Cadillac. That is all he drove. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/b8ad6ebc/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT HDMI cable
Digits are different from waves. Digits either get there or not, waves can get wavier. Yabut the digits are transmitted over [more or less square] waves, so there can still be issues caused by cables, especially since HDMI uses frequencies of up to 340MHz, with total bandwidth in the 5-10GB/s range, so you can still run into issues with skewing, crosstalk, attenuation and signal reflection... HDMI uses a differential data transmission strategy, wherein two wires are used for each bit, and at any moment in time, one will be positive and the other will be negative. The two wires will simultaneously swap polarity to differentiate between a 1 and a 0 . Skewing is the condition where there is a difference in the delay in transition of one of the wires (from + to - or - to +) in a differential pair, which can cause a bit to be mis-detected or undetected (discarded). Crosstalk is when the signal on one differential pair influences the signal on other pair(s) (kind of like a linear transformer...). Since the underlying waveform is a square wave, which have lots of harmonics in the edges of the waveform, it may be more likely to have noise introduced into other pairs... leading to bitstream errors. Sufficient attenuation can result in the difference between the two wires in the differential pair falling below the detection threshold, causing the signal to become corrupted or ignored. Signal reflection is caused by impedance mismatches between the cable and the terminating device(s). Anyhow, these things are all bad since HDMI has no error detection/correction. This can be very bad, since the standard requres that a crypto handshake wherein the display is authenticated by the player/AV source prior to the transmission of each and every frame (30x a second for interlaced, 60x a second for progressive...). Flipped or missing bits in the data stream can cause the crypto handshake to fail, which will prevent the transmission of that video frame, and possibly generate errors indicating that the display device is not authorized. Hope this helps -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/064a8e9d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 280SEL w. 4.5? liter engine 87k original miles?Asking$2000 OBO
Let's not get carried away in heaping praise on these dinosaurs. They are in reality gas hogs with pathetic 3 speed transmissions, clunky vinyl interiors, easily frozen heater levers, and prone to rust. I will admit that they are spacious and comfy, however. On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:39 AM, MAK ma...@isb.comsats.net.pk wrote: Larry ;aptly put . These are lovely cars with a touch of elegance and class. mak 300sel 3.5 - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 280SEL w. 4.5? liter engine 87k original miles?Asking$2000 OBO Supposedly, MB engineers said this sedan was the best they ever built (the remar was made in the mid 90s) and having owned 2 280SEs 4.5 - I can believe it. Except for rust problems (rockers, bumper support, headlight boxes) they were awesome. Engine got 14/15 mpg but would spin the tires at 45mph when passing gear was engaged. Wish I still had one - wish I could afford to maintain one properly too -- ;-) Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts Test Results - http://members.rennlist.com/oil/ http://www.scamfreetop10.com/1233.html . - Original Message - From: s223x...@juno.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: s223x...@juno.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: [MBZ] 1972 280SEL w. 4.5? liter engine 87k original miles? Asking$2000 OBO I have No interest in this car, but friend told me about it; looks good in out; may need some paint supposed to have 87,000 miles on it? is this inda HIGH price for old MB? or is it a collector car Location; Ok. hwy 9 in Stigler, Ok. Steve Save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! Shop now at http://offers.juno.com/TGL1141/?u=http://www.ftd.com/17007 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/f41ecc4c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT HDMI cable
I just went and got an RCA HDMI cable at a Canadian Tire store for $39. Will take the fancy Monster cable back and get my money. Thanks for the input guys. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT HDMI cable
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Digits are different from waves. Digits either get there or not, waves can get wavier. The problem is that they get there not more often with a cheaper cable! Whether you will notice any difference depends entirely on the application, the underlying signal protocol, and the user, just as with analog signal degradation. If it's just a straight dump of bits up the wire, then a few wrong bits often don't make any difference, but too many and they start to; that's why (good) audio CD players oversample and do other kinds of clever on-the-fly error correction, so as to forstall the unpleasant noises produced by random data going into a D/A converter. If it's a packet-based protocol, like USB, then too many errors will reduce transfer speed noticeably as the bad packets get resent and re-re-sent---ask anyone who has had their Internet connection slow way down because of a flaky router or Ethernet cable. Not sure which one HDMI is, nor what the symptoms of degradation of the signal would be, though I bet you would notice them if they got bad enough. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] WAS RE: Snew - NOW OT - sheet metal bending
On the first link, at the bottom on the left, there is a photo of a, brake, shear, roller - 3 in 1 sheet metal working machine. Anyone have any idea how to work one of these? I bought a cheap chinese version a year or two back and have not had a whole lot of time to play with it. I really have very little idea how to work it and my basic searches have left me scratching my head. I am not finding much in the way of books on the subject. I would have thought there would be books used to teach people to make ducting etc used in technical schools. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Snew http://www.murphyauctions.net/snocounty.html http://www.murphyauctions.net/bbcdodge.html http://www.murphyauctions.net/cstreet.html Does not do you any good today, but might be able to meet your needs in the morrow clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT HDMI cable
The one I just bought is labelled RCA and says it meets all HDMI standards. Might not be quite as good as the Monster cable but at less than 1/3 of the price, I am going to see if it works. I paid $39 for the 2nd cable so not the cheapest junk out there either. I just sort of felt abused after getting talked into the expensive cable at the electronics store when I bought the Blue-ray player. I suppose they probably have cheaper ones somewhere in the store but I was in a hurry and did not ask if they had some more reasonbly priced cables. I really do suspect that they advertise the player at a good price and then try to make up some additional profit on things like the cable. I also agree with one of you folks who said the da**ed cable should be in the box so you could hook it up without having to gather extra pieces. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of jwrea...@comcast.net Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 2:40 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDMI cable Digits are different from waves. Digits either get there or not, waves can get wavier. Yabut the digits are transmitted over [more or less square] waves, so there can still be issues caused by cables, especially since HDMI uses frequencies of up to 340MHz, with total bandwidth in the 5-10GB/s range, so you can still run into issues with skewing, crosstalk, attenuation and signal reflection... HDMI uses a differential data transmission strategy, wherein two wires are used for each bit, and at any moment in time, one will be positive and the other will be negative. The two wires will simultaneously swap polarity to differentiate between a 1 and a 0 . Skewing is the condition where there is a difference in the delay in transition of one of the wires (from + to - or - to +) in a differential pair, which can cause a bit to be mis-detected or undetected (discarded). Crosstalk is when the signal on one differential pair influences the signal on other pair(s) (kind of like a linear transformer...). Since the underlying waveform is a square wave, which have lots of harmonics in the edges of the waveform, it may be more likely to have noise introduced into other pairs... leading to bitstream errors. Sufficient attenuation can result in the difference between the two wires in the differential pair falling below the detection threshold, causing the signal to become corrupted or ignored. Signal reflection is caused by impedance mismatches between the cable and the terminating device(s). Anyhow, these things are all bad since HDMI has no error detection/correction. This can be very bad, since the standard requres that a crypto handshake wherein the display is authenticated by the player/AV source prior to the transmission of each and every frame (30x a second for interlaced, 60x a second for progressive...). Flipped or missing bits in the data stream can cause the crypto handshake to fail, which will prevent the transmission of that video frame, and possibly generate errors indicating that the display device is not authorized. Hope this helps -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/064a8e9d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT HDMI cable
Did you get the bias-ply or radial HDMI cable? --R R A Bennell wrote: I just went and got an RCA HDMI cable at a Canadian Tire store for $39. Will take the fancy Monster cable back and get my money. Thanks for the input guys. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT HDMI cable
Are the connectors lubricated with Mobil 1? It's new, so I guess you don't need to change ALL the FUSES yet --- On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Did you get the bias-ply or radial HDMI cable? --R -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] WAS RE: Snew - NOW OT - sheet metal bending
The roller does just that, makes the metal curved and rolled up. I think you can set the rollers to some distance apart which affects the radius of the roll. Turn the crank to make the rollers go and the metal goes through and gets curved. The shear is just like a big scissors, you either work a handle or step on a thing to make it cut. A brake is to bend the metal at whatever angle you move it to -- you clamp it on the edge you want bent then move the plate up to make the bend. Do a google books search on sheet metal -- they have all kinds of old tech manuals scanned in there and you can download pdfs of the books. I got a bunch of old trade school and shop books on woodworking and metal lathes/mills. --R R A Bennell wrote: On the first link, at the bottom on the left, there is a photo of a, brake, shear, roller - 3 in 1 sheet metal working machine. Anyone have any idea how to work one of these? I bought a cheap chinese version a year or two back and have not had a whole lot of time to play with it. I really have very little idea how to work it and my basic searches have left me scratching my head. I am not finding much in the way of books on the subject. I would have thought there would be books used to teach people to make ducting etc used in technical schools. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Snew http://www.murphyauctions.net/snocounty.html http://www.murphyauctions.net/bbcdodge.html http://www.murphyauctions.net/cstreet.html Does not do you any good today, but might be able to meet your needs in the morrow clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT HDMI cable
It comes with the special HDMI fluid though, it helps the bits slide through. Has to be changed with the proper stuff at regular intervals. --R OK Don wrote: Are the connectors lubricated with Mobil 1? It's new, so I guess you don't need to change ALL the FUSES yet --- On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Did you get the bias-ply or radial HDMI cable? --R -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/17c72d46/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] stupid drivers
I just re-registered my snowmobile trailer and noticed I've got DN. D is apparently the base here in MA. -Curt Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:02:54 -0800 From: Kevin ke...@mordred.punk.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] stupid drivers To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 20081219190254.ga8...@mordred.punk.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 09:33:10PM -0600, Fmiser wrote: Wonko wrote: Plain old Class C (standard) good enough to drive someone in your personal vehicle for a psychotropic med check. A base level operators license in most states is a Class F. Is Iowa different? Mine is Class A with PTN endorsements. (Passenger, Triple, taNk) California the generic license is a class C. B gives you vehicles over 26k gross, A gives you that and trailers over 10k gross. If you are driving something over 40 feet, with air brakes (that isn't a motorhome) or has more than two axles and is heavier than a one ton truck, you need a B anyways. California also has a noncommercial A and B, as well as a commercial C (basically for hazmat in a less than 26k truck), and splits the motorcycle endorsement at 250cc (iirc). I've only ridden one motored two wheeled vehicle, a friend's honda 50, but it was on private property so no endorsement required. Only endorsement I have is 'special restriction 41', which is the largely unknown endoresement for pulling a fifth wheel up to 15k gross without a class A. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/a4896285/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT HDMI cable
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 12:54 PM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote: The one I just bought is labelled RCA and says it meets all HDMI standards. Might not be quite as good as the Monster cable but at less than 1/3 of the price, I am going to see if it works. I paid $39 for the 2nd cable so not the cheapest junk out there either. I just sort of felt abused after getting talked into the expensive cable at the electronics store when I bought the Blue-ray player. I suppose they probably have cheaper ones somewhere in the store but I was in a hurry and did not ask if they had some more reasonbly priced cables. Nah, you're fine. I don't think anyone hear means to imply that your $39 cable might not be up to snuff. Monster is nothing special---2/3 of the price there is for the name and the marketing. I would only be concerned if you'd gotten one at the 99 cent store with an obvious Chinese fake logo on it. Like the free batteries I got recently with some small electronic item (a universal remote control, maybe) that looked like Panasonics, but the logo actually said Pinesound or something like that. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT HDMI cable
No, no, I am old school. No fancy turbos and such for me. I got the one with the tube so it will match my TV. So, how well do you think the Blue-ray thingie will work with my old Black and White 12 TV??? Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 3:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDMI cable Did you get the bias-ply or radial HDMI cable? --R R A Bennell wrote: I just went and got an RCA HDMI cable at a Canadian Tire store for $39. Will take the fancy Monster cable back and get my money. Thanks for the input guys. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 280SEL w. 4.5? liter engine 87k original miles?Asking$2000 OBO
andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com writes: Let's not get carried away in heaping praise on these dinosaurs. They are in reality gas hogs with pathetic 3 speed transmissions, clunky vinyl interiors, easily frozen heater levers, and prone to rust. I will admit that they are spacious and comfy, however. Let's not forget visually stunning and beautiful. I think these are some of the best looking MB designs. Todays stylings are cookie cutter, generic by comparison. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Really the diff this time?
So my 190D among its other eccentricities now has a loud moaning kind of noise only when I let off the throttle. Based on our previous discussions I think this is diff noise. Good used diff my ass... May have my Indy put the old bad diff back in, it was quieter than this one. Also may look into having the old diff properly rebuilt, I'm getting tired of this crap. The only other thing I can think of is tire noise since I do have a tire out of balance but I can't see it making this kind of noise, not with this regularity. -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/cc6f008f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 280SEL w. 4.5? liter engine 87k original miles?Asking$2000 OBO
Don't get me wrong. I agree entirely about the looks of the W108/109 body style. All that glass and the colorful interior lights made for a regal drive, especially at night. I owned and restored a W109 1971 300SE L 3.5 that I loved. But it had a 4 speed transmission, leather seats, burled walnut interior and air suspension. Those luxury appointments made all the difference. On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com writes: Let's not get carried away in heaping praise on these dinosaurs. They are in reality gas hogs with pathetic 3 speed transmissions, clunky vinyl interiors, easily frozen heater levers, and prone to rust. I will admit that they are spacious and comfy, however. Let's not forget visually stunning and beautiful. I think these are some of the best looking MB designs. Todays stylings are cookie cutter, generic by comparison. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/dc3ec492/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 280SEL w. 4.5? liter engine 87k original miles?Asking$2000 OBO
If you guys don't stop it, I'll have to add one of these to my wish list!! lol Ed 300E 2008/12/19 andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Don't get me wrong. I agree entirely about the looks of the W108/109 body style. All that glass and the colorful interior lights made for a regal drive, especially at night. I owned and restored a W109 1971 300SE L 3.5 that I loved. But it had a 4 speed transmission, leather seats, burled walnut interior and air suspension. Those luxury appointments made all the difference. On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com writes: Let's not get carried away in heaping praise on these dinosaurs. They are in reality gas hogs with pathetic 3 speed transmissions, clunky vinyl interiors, easily frozen heater levers, and prone to rust. I will admit that they are spacious and comfy, however. Let's not forget visually stunning and beautiful. I think these are some of the best looking MB designs. Todays stylings are cookie cutter, generic by comparison. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/dc3ec492/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/dc15990f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clunk
Dan, et al. At this distance, I couldn't tell you what the type of trans was. Got it very cheap, fixed the shift tube in the column, then had to replace the leaking steering box. Traded it for 67 GTO with a bad rap in the engine. Those were the days! Hah! Fred Moir Lynn MA We get too soon old and too late smart At 02:43 PM 12/19/2008, you wrote: Fred, I'm wondering if this was the infamous Jetaway 200 THM model that was on early 60s Caddys. I had a 62 Fleetwood that had one of these transmissions, and it worked great. Until a vane in one of the internal torus' broke off, that is. I got to see the guy rebuild it, and there were two separate fluid couplings (like miniature torque converters) inside. I could get close to 20 mpg in that car fully loaded (6,000#) on the highway. Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
I am not basing my understanding of the US health care system on Moore's movie, I am asking questions from people who live in the system. Obviously Moore's modus operandi is to cut out any stuff that he does not feel would help his cause. I suppose if he gets sick he would have a nice health care plan, paid for by people who bought/watched his 'docos'. However moron or not at least his movies make people think, as opposed to some of the junk out there. In Australia we have a system where the poor get free health care and the ones that get off their behinds and earn a living and pay tax have to contribute towards their treatment. Sure I can go down to the ER and take my chances, where a priority systems is in place and this might mean I have to wait for some time before getting treated, or I can go to my local GP and pay a gap for the visit. Hendrik LarryT wrote: it was asked are you saying that he would have gotten treated at the local hospital for free Absolutely - it is illegal for a hospital to turn away people in need of emergency care. One reason ERs are often crowded is people w/o insurance go there when they have a cold or flu - they get treated - they cannot go to their doctor and get the same care for free - he's under no obligation to treat people for free (yet) Basing your understanding of healthcare or anything else on what you see in a movie is a terrible thing to do - mixing entertainment with facts often ends up distorted. BTW, Moore is a moron out to make himself rich. When he need healthcare I wonder if he goes to UK, Canada or Cuba? Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clunk
That does not mean it didn't have a Buick Twin Turbine tranny, as Cadillac bought auto transmissions from Hydramatic (as did all the other divisions) OR from another GM division. They didn't, I don't think, ever produce their own. I could be wrong, though, but GM in those days did all sorts of things. In 1941 there would have only been the Hydramatic (developed by Oldsmobile and taken away and made into a separate division by the corporate masters) and the Buick Twin Turbine. The rest were all post-WWII if I remember correctly. I'm pretty sure Cadillac didn't have an automatic of their own pre-war. Peter On Dec 19, 2008, at 8:39 AM, Donald Snook wrote: Peter wrote: Sure it wasn't a Buick Twin Turbine? Only had forward and reverse from the planetary set, though, with high and low slip turbines clutched in. Had to be driven off foot to the floor and out of slow slip fast to keep it from burning up tranny juce, they were famous for smoking the fluid. I shudder to think of the fuel milage I know this car was a Cadillac. That is all he drove. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/ attachments/20081219/19ead60a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clunk
Chrysler had one too -- my Grandmother's '48 had one. Fluid coupling AND a plate clutch so you could stop and shift into reverse. Cranky enough that my father never used it on the trips we made in it, he just used the clutch. Ordinary three speed manual tranny behind the double clutch system. Peter On Dec 19, 2008, at 9:42 AM, andrew strasfogel wrote: My first two cars were 1950 DeSotos with the semi-automatic transmission. There was a clutch and shifter lever but you ddn't need to use them, instead changing gears by easing off on the throttle. They were also known as slushomatics for obvious reasons (they clunked loudly). The funny thing is, they were impossible to stall. Didn't Mercedes make a similar transmission in the 50s, known as the Hydrak? On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Peter wrote: Sure it wasn't a Buick Twin Turbine? Only had forward and reverse from the planetary set, though, with high and low slip turbines clutched in. Had to be driven off foot to the floor and out of slow slip fast to keep it from burning up tranny juce, they were famous for smoking the fluid. I shudder to think of the fuel milage I know this car was a Cadillac. That is all he drove. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/ 20081219/19ead60a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/ attachments/20081219/028517a7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clunk
Mostly the 2.76:1 rear end gears common in those days. My 62 Olds was like that, but the slip on the TurboRotamatic lowered the milage to about 12. Peter On Dec 19, 2008, at 2:38 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Is that mileage figure a result of: 1) the transmission design, 2) your driving habits (e.g., not exceeding 55 mph, or 3) the use of a lead supplement in the fuel? ; On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 2:43 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Fred, I'm wondering if this was the infamous Jetaway 200 THM model that was on early 60s Caddys. I had a 62 Fleetwood that had one of these transmissions, and it worked great. Until a vane in one of the internal torus' broke off, that is. I got to see the guy rebuild it, and there were two separate fluid couplings (like miniature torque converters) inside. I could get close to 20 mpg in that car fully loaded (6,000#) on the highway. Dan --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net wrote: From: Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clunk To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 12:33 PM Donald, Peter, et al. I had a gas station in '70-71 and traded for a '61 Cadillac (don't ask). It had a Dual-range transmission. Step on the gas and it would gather momentum until about 30mph or so when this weird sliding transfer would take place and you were in the upper range. Never failed, but was a strange sensation, if you were paying attention to the car. Fred Moir Lynn MA Peter wrote: Sure it wasn't a Buick Twin Turbine? Only had forward and reverse from the planetary set, though, with high and low slip turbines clutched in. Had to be driven off foot to the floor and out of slow slip fast to keep it from burning up tranny juce, they were famous for smoking the fluid. I shudder to think of the fuel milage I know this car was a Cadillac. That is all he drove. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/ attachments/20081219/b8ad6ebc/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 280SEL w. 4.5? liter engine 87k original miles?Asking$2000 OBO
Ah, but they are a joy to drive on the highway. Super sweet between 90 and 100 mph, and they still get 12 mph while you do it. That pathetic 3-speed usually lasts longer than the car (and was used from 1988 to 1981 in the W108/109 and W116 cars) and is silky smooth. The pathetic one was the 4-speed used with the M100 in the W109 6.3L -- never did hold up with crap and didn't have a torque converter, used a fluid coupling instead. Very very common to have to get it rebuilt every 50,000 miles or so, and even they they slip if you romp on it a lot (which is very tempting, I'm told). Peter On Dec 19, 2008, at 2:41 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Let's not get carried away in heaping praise on these dinosaurs. They are in reality gas hogs with pathetic 3 speed transmissions, clunky vinyl interiors, easily frozen heater levers, and prone to rust. I will admit that they are spacious and comfy, however. On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:39 AM, MAK ma...@isb.comsats.net.pk wrote: Larry ;aptly put . These are lovely cars with a touch of elegance and class. mak 300sel 3.5 - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 280SEL w. 4.5? liter engine 87k original miles?Asking$2000 OBO Supposedly, MB engineers said this sedan was the best they ever built (the remar was made in the mid 90s) and having owned 2 280SEs 4.5 - I can believe it. Except for rust problems (rockers, bumper support, headlight boxes) they were awesome. Engine got 14/15 mpg but would spin the tires at 45mph when passing gear was engaged. Wish I still had one - wish I could afford to maintain one properly too -- ;-) Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts Test Results - http://members.rennlist.com/oil/ http://www.scamfreetop10.com/1233.html . - Original Message - From: s223x...@juno.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: s223x...@juno.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: [MBZ] 1972 280SEL w. 4.5? liter engine 87k original miles? Asking$2000 OBO I have No interest in this car, but friend told me about it; looks good in out; may need some paint supposed to have 87,000 miles on it? is this inda HIGH price for old MB? or is it a collector car Location; Ok. hwy 9 in Stigler, Ok. Steve Save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! Shop now at http://offers.juno.com/TGL1141/?u=http://www.ftd.com/ 17007 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/ attachments/20081219/f41ecc4c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 280SEL w. 4.5? liter engine 87k originalmiles?Asking$2000 OBO
Ah, but if you have one to sell, please remember to call it a classic especially if it is totally clapped out, rusted and abused and the only reason anyone might ever want it is if it truly is a classic. Randy who gets turned off by descriptions that include classic -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 3:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1972 280SEL w. 4.5? liter engine 87k originalmiles?Asking$2000 OBO andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com writes: Let's not get carried away in heaping praise on these dinosaurs. They are in reality gas hogs with pathetic 3 speed transmissions, clunky vinyl interiors, easily frozen heater levers, and prone to rust. I will admit that they are spacious and comfy, however. Let's not forget visually stunning and beautiful. I think these are some of the best looking MB designs. Todays stylings are cookie cutter, generic by comparison. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT, the Mall
I have not been to the large shopping mall in Tulsa for probably 10 years. Anyway, I was there today to get the kids pic taken with santa. While there I noticed there was not a single music CD store in the place, not even a movie store. WTF? Do people not buy CD's anymore? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, the Mall
Yer showin yer age!vrythg z dwnld thz daz At 05:07 PM 12/19/2008, you wrote: I have not been to the large shopping mall in Tulsa for probably 10 years. Anyway, I was there today to get the kids pic taken with santa. While there I noticed there was not a single music CD store in the place, not even a movie store. WTF? Do people not buy CD's anymore? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, the Mall
Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net writes: I have not been to the large shopping mall in Tulsa for probably 10 years. Anyway, I was there today to get the kids pic taken with santa. While there I noticed there was not a single music CD store in the place, not even a movie store. WTF? Do people not buy CD's anymore? I try to avoid malls, they smell of human flatulence. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 280SEL w. 4.5? liter engine 87k original miles? Asking$2000 OBO
I have had a few 108's 109's but they have been parts cars. I would love to have one that is decent but the only thing about them that scares me is the king pin suspension. LarryT wrote: Supposedly, MB engineers said this sedan was the best they ever built (the remar was made in the mid 90s) and having owned 2 280SEs 4.5 - I can believe it. Except for rust problems (rockers, bumper support, headlight boxes) they were awesome. Engine got 14/15 mpg but would spin the tires at 45mph when passing gear was engaged. Wish I still had one - wish I could afford to maintain one properly too -- ;-) Sincerely, Larry T (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T) www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits Porsche Posters/Weber parts Test Results - http://members.rennlist.com/oil/ -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 10%?
No kidding. I worked my 8 hours this week. No kidding, I worked 8 hours the whole week. I get paid for 40, but I worked 8. They dont care what I do since Im getting canned anyway. Gary Hurst wrote: the ex wife has a corporate job. everybody is maybe really busy for a few days every month or even for a bit longer certain times of year. outside of that, it is largely a social club. i once had a corporate job and very little actual work went on there either. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 280SEL w. 4.5? liter engine 87k original miles? Asking$2000 OBO
Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net writes: I have had a few 108's 109's but they have been parts cars. I would love to have one that is decent but the only thing about them that scares me is the king pin suspension. I think as long as you grease them regularly they can be fairly trouble-free ( I say this having never owned one ). Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, the Mall
I try to avoid malls, they smell of humans. Fred Moir Bah! Humbug! At 06:18 PM 12/19/2008, you wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net writes: I have not been to the large shopping mall in Tulsa for probably 10 years. I try to avoid malls, they smell of human flatulence. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, the Mall
Maybe those in/near DC can get malls added to the EPA proposed reg for CAFOs (animal confinement facilities) If flatulence from cafos is changing the climate, then malls and megastores are too. Lets see I think the tax on cafos was $175 per head. If it is good for the goose (cafo) then it is good for the gander (Malls and megastores) Wonder how many head wander through a mall or megastore in a day? Take that times $175 and ol 'bama will have a regular printin' press! \) personally, i could do pretty well with only hardware stores and lumberyards. I try to avoid malls, they smell of human flatulence. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Really the diff this time?
with used diffs there is usually no way to tell if its going to be noisy till you put it on. I doubt a seller was trying to rip you off on it. Curt Raymond wrote: So my 190D among its other eccentricities now has a loud moaning kind of noise only when I let off the throttle. Based on our previous discussions I think this is diff noise. Good used diff my ass... May have my Indy put the old bad diff back in, it was quieter than this one. Also may look into having the old diff properly rebuilt, I'm getting tired of this crap. The only other thing I can think of is tire noise since I do have a tire out of balance but I can't see it making this kind of noise, not with this regularity. -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/cc6f008f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.19/1857 - Release Date: 12/19/2008 10:09 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, the Mall
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I have not been to the large shopping mall in Tulsa for probably 10 years. Anyway, I was there today to get the kids pic taken with santa. While there I noticed there was not a single music CD store in the place, not even a movie store. WTF? Do people not buy CD's anymore? Isn't that what Best Buy, Wal-Mart, and Circuit City are for now? And isn't this a Banned-Lite topic? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT HDMI cable
You'll see the little corners on the snowflakes on the screen. --R R A Bennell wrote: No, no, I am old school. No fancy turbos and such for me. I got the one with the tube so it will match my TV. So, how well do you think the Blue-ray thingie will work with my old Black and White 12 TV??? Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 3:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT HDMI cable Did you get the bias-ply or radial HDMI cable? --R R A Bennell wrote: I just went and got an RCA HDMI cable at a Canadian Tire store for $39. Will take the fancy Monster cable back and get my money. Thanks for the input guys. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/39886c12/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Socialism
Shouldn't the po folks have the same quality of care as you get with your ability to pay the gap fee? That system is inequitable! Keepin the po folks down! --R Hendrik Fay wrote: In Australia we have a system where the poor get free health care and the ones that get off their behinds and earn a living and pay tax have to contribute towards their treatment. Sure I can go down to the ER and take my chances, where a priority systems is in place and this might mean I have to wait for some time before getting treated, or I can go to my local GP and pay a gap for the visit. Hendrik ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 280SEL w. 4.5? liter engine 87k original miles? Asking$2000 OBO
This belongs on Banned. --R Allan Streib wrote: I think as long as you grease them regularly they can be fairly trouble-free ( I say this having never owned one ). Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 280SEL w. 4.5? liter engine 87k original miles? Asking$2000 OBO
lmao. Ed 300E 2008/12/19 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net This belongs on Banned. --R Allan Streib wrote: I think as long as you grease them regularly they can be fairly trouble-free ( I say this having never owned one ). Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/1babddda/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] GM's bad ideas
...Peter wrote: Sure it wasn't a Buick Twin Turbine? Only had forward and reverse... Didn't that come later? I once rented a Chev with TurboGlide. Seemed to have one speed, a generous term. RLE ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp; icid=aolcom40vanityamp;ncid=emlcntaolcom0025) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/3a6860e5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1972 280SEL w. 4.5? liter engine 87k original miles? Asking$2000 OBO
Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net writes: I have had a few 108's 109's but they have been parts cars. I would love to have one that is decent but the only thing about them that scares me is the king pin suspension. Allan wrote: I think as long as you grease them regularly they can be fairly trouble-free ( I say this having never owned one ). Can't speak for the trouble free part 'cause I sold my long before I could tell. But it was easy to rebuild and I rather liked the engineering I saw. I would not be disappointed if I were to trust my life to another one. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ultra-low
...when it went into effect depends on where you are, and what type of vehicles you're referring to; the implementation wasn't the same for all vehicle types or the same in all states... I was wrong. It was 2006. That's why MB was able to introduce the 2007 E-Class Bluetec. Stolen from Wikipedia: The EPA deadline for industry compliance to a 15 ppm sulfur content was originally set for July 15, 2006 for distribution terminals, and by September 1, 2006 for retail. Big snip As of December, 2006, the ULSD standard has been in effect according to the amended schedule, and compliance at retail locations was reported to be in place. RLE ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp; icid=aolcom40vanityamp;ncid=emlcntaolcom0025) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/46ea74c4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT, the Mall
i don't think they are still making those tulsa sound records anymore, so you aren't missing much On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: I have not been to the large shopping mall in Tulsa for probably 10 years. Anyway, I was there today to get the kids pic taken with santa. While there I noticed there was not a single music CD store in the place, not even a movie store. WTF? Do people not buy CD's anymore? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/54da7c28/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 4.5
...Engine got 14/15 mpg but would spin the tires at 45mph when passing gear was engaged... My '73 450SE with the same engine equipped with a 3-speed automatic was incapable of such a thing. That mileage number was on a good day in summertime because winter driving was about 11 mpg. RLE ** One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpamp; icid=aolcom40vanityamp;ncid=emlcntaolcom0025) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20081219/9ac25355/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Clunk
Chrysler auto trannies of the '40's were called Fluid-Drive (press to go, let up and wait for clunk to go some more, etc.; early '50's PowerFlite; mid to late fifties TorqueFlite. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clunk Mostly the 2.76:1 rear end gears common in those days. My 62 Olds was like that, but the slip on the TurboRotamatic lowered the milage to about 12. Peter On Dec 19, 2008, at 2:38 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Is that mileage figure a result of: 1) the transmission design, 2) your driving habits (e.g., not exceeding 55 mph, or 3) the use of a lead supplement in the fuel? ; On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 2:43 PM, LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: Fred, I'm wondering if this was the infamous Jetaway 200 THM model that was on early 60s Caddys. I had a 62 Fleetwood that had one of these transmissions, and it worked great. Until a vane in one of the internal torus' broke off, that is. I got to see the guy rebuild it, and there were two separate fluid couplings (like miniature torque converters) inside. I could get close to 20 mpg in that car fully loaded (6,000#) on the highway. Dan --- On Fri, 12/19/08, Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net wrote: From: Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clunk To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, December 19, 2008, 12:33 PM Donald, Peter, et al. I had a gas station in '70-71 and traded for a '61 Cadillac (don't ask). It had a Dual-range transmission. Step on the gas and it would gather momentum until about 30mph or so when this weird sliding transfer would take place and you were in the upper range. Never failed, but was a strange sensation, if you were paying attention to the car. Fred Moir Lynn MA Peter wrote: Sure it wasn't a Buick Twin Turbine? Only had forward and reverse from the planetary set, though, with high and low slip turbines clutched in. Had to be driven off foot to the floor and out of slow slip fast to keep it from burning up tranny juce, they were famous for smoking the fluid. I shudder to think of the fuel milage I know this car was a Cadillac. That is all he drove. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/ attachments/20081219/b8ad6ebc/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
