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Re: [MBZ] 119 broken valve cover


not sure.

Yes, Im sure there is still a good bit of plastic floating around.

Hendrik & Fay wrote:
Is 119 a lubricating guide? It appears to be matched to the 
semi-rectangular hole (which appears to have a piece stuck in it) 
http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/119brokenvalvecover/DSC02745.JPG
There may well be quite a bit of plastic floating around in the motor, 
the oil pan may have to be dropped to get it out.


Hendrik

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Im missing 110, and 119 and 128 appear to be broken as well.  My 
theory is 110 broke, got drug across between the top of the chain and 
valve cover, and broke valve cover. It looks to me like 119 just bolts 
on from the top.  But yes, Im sure the cover needs to come off just to 
be safe.





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Re: [MBZ] 119 broken valve cover

Is 119 a lubricating guide? It appears to be matched to the 
semi-rectangular hole (which appears to have a piece stuck in it) 
http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/119brokenvalvecover/DSC02745.JPG
There may well be quite a bit of plastic floating around in the motor, 
the oil pan may have to be dropped to get it out.


Hendrik

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Im missing 110, and 119 and 128 appear to be broken as well.  My 
theory is 110 broke, got drug across between the top of the chain and 
valve cover, and broke valve cover. It looks to me like 119 just bolts 
on from the top.  But yes, Im sure the cover needs to come off just to 
be safe.





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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] 119 broken valve cover

2008-12-29 Thread Dave M.

Kaleb,

Yeah, the upper rail is missing. I would pull the lower oil pan and inspect
inside... if you find broken rail pieces, I'd want to change all the rails,
not just the obvious one up top. Replacing them all is a big job, though,
the front timing cover has to come off. A guy is doing this job (plus head
gaskets) right now on Benzworld, check out this thead... see post #8 for
pictures of the rail you are missing:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w140-s-class/1412881-92-500sel-head-gasket.html

There are a lot of really good photos of the M119 torn down in that thread.
You may need to sign up on the forum to view the pics, though.

=)

+dm™

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> Pulled the valve cover today to survey the damage.  Looks like there is
> supposed to be a slide rail at the top of the head under the chain toward
> the middle side of the engine, which is not there.  Is this correct?  Looks
> like its broken which caused the valve cover to break. Chain is intact and
> it does not appear at least from the outside that there are any bent valves.
>  So, opinions on what needs to happen?  Does that slide rail need to be
> replaced or does it need to be torn down and all of them replaced?  If just
> one one, is there a way to replace it from up top?  Looks like I might have
> to split the chain and put in a new master link.  See pics
>
> http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/119brokenvalvecover/
>
>
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> http://www.okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] real lifespan of a W123??

Allan Streib  writes:

> I'd say at that mileage, it all depends on how it's been cared for.
> There are no real averages at that point.

Re-reading that, what I meant to say is that "averages" don't mean much
at that point.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota vs GM

"Tom Hargrave"  writes:

> Nope, the auto workers have a 30 year retirement plan. For example, my
> Wife is eligible to retire at the age of 54 - that's 11 years short of
> Medicare.  If she had gone to work for Chrysler when she was 18, as
> many did in states like Michigan, she would have retired last year at
> 48 years old - 17 years short of Medicare.

Holy cow I never realised that.  That's INSANITY.

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Re: [MBZ] 119 broken valve cover

I figure whatever needs to be done with the rails, it also should 
probably have a new chain and tensioner as well.


Frederick W Moir wrote:

Kaleb, et al.
 From the photos, it looks like a very worn chain, and/or a dead 
tensioning device. When the throttle is suddenly released, the chain 
rides up the back of the sprocket and part jams between the guide and 
the sprocket, putting a lot of pressure on the guide, eventually 
breaking the guide and cover. Saw this on the inside of the cover on my 
M102 engine with rattley chain. Nice set of stripes.

My $0.02
Fred Moir
Lynn MA


At 06:10 PM 12/29/2008, you wrote:
Pulled the valve cover today to survey the damage.  Looks like there 
is supposed to be a slide rail at the top of the head under the chain 
toward the middle side of the engine, which is not there.  Is this 
correct?  Looks like its broken which caused the valve cover to break. 
Chain is intact and it does not appear at least from the outside that 
there are any bent valves.  So, opinions on what needs to happen?  
Does that slide rail need to be replaced or does it need to be torn 
down and all of them replaced?  If just one one, is there a way to 
replace it from up top?  Looks like I might have to split the chain 
and put in a new master link.  See pics

http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/119brokenvalvecover/



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Re: [MBZ] Used Parts for Sale! Take a look!

2008-12-29 Thread harry watkins


Duh, my bad.

J H Watkins
1250 James Everett Rd
Newton, MS 39345

Thanks
Harry

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To: 
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 2:18 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Used Parts for Sale! Take a look!



Dear List,

With Kaleb's permission, I am posting this list of used parts to the list 
(below and attached as .rtf as well). Please let me know 
(xtofer1...@yahoo.com) if you want anything, have any questions, want to 
see a picture, whatever. 10% of sales goes to the charity of my 
choice...that would be Okie Acres Benz Recycling! :-)


I am also parting out an '85 300Dt California modeel and an '87 190E 2.3. 
If you need anything, let me know...some parts I am saving for myself or 
have already been sold.


Attention: See ***WOW!*** below on a set of really neat W123 Euro 
headlights. They are unlike any other Euro headlights I've seen. Can 
anyone provide any info on them? They look a BIT like the US headlight 
arrangement, but the horizontal grey plastic fins and the headlight itself 
(H4) and the foglight (H3) are all enclosed in glass.


Enjoy!

-Chris

Used Mercedes Parts

Part Price Part # Comments

Electric Kickdown Switch $10.00 002 545 68 14 used on some '85 617's (W123 
and W126)
Electric Kickdown Switch $10.00 002 545 01 14 used on some '85 617's (W123 
and W126)

W126 rear seat reading lamps $10.00 126 820 04 01 KZ LEFT SIDE
W126 rear seat reading lamps $10.00 126 820 03 01 RIGHT SIDE
Left Tail Light Lens W124 $25.00 124 820 05 64 L
Right Tail Light Lens W124 $25.00 124 820 06 64 R
W126 fog light w/bulb $10.00 RIGHT. Has some rust on back, but perfectly 
usable and looks fine when installed.

W126 fog light w/ bulb $10.00 LEFT.
MB Locking Fuel tank cap $15.00 Neat! Heavy duty, includes key. OEM.
W126 Sun Visor $15.00 LEFT. Palomino, includes both mounting clips, w/ 
mirror and lights.

First Aid kit $15.00 900 860 01 50 Not complete. Later style: 6 1/2" x 15"
B2 Piston $120.00 107 270 04 32 NIB
Glow Plug Relay $40.00 001 545 98 32 came out of my 300SD (W126) when I 
upgraded to hyperfast glow plugs.

Glow Plug Relay $40.00 001 545 98 32 out of 300SD (W126)
Owner's Manual $7.00 W126: 420SEL, 560SEL, 560SEC
HAZET 17mm lug wrench $7.00 VW/AUDI OEM
Hood Star $17.00 201 880 00 86 NIB/NOS. Fits W126, W123, W201.
W126 sun visor retaining clip $3.00 Palomino.
300SD Trunk Badge $8.00 126 817 07 15 W126. QTY: 3
Turbodiesel Trunk Badge $10.00 126 817 11 15 W123. Will not fit W126
Left Turn Signal $12.00 QTY: 2, W126
Right Turn Signal $12.00 QTY: 2, W126
Antenna Switch $12.00 002 820 99 10 W126/W123
Rear Defroster Switch $12.00 000 820 61 10 W126/W123
Sunroof Switch $12.00 000 820 63 10 W126/W123
Hazard Switch $12.00 000 820 90 10 W126/W123
Rear Light Switch $12.00 000 820 59 10 W126
Double Window Switch $24.00 000 820 82 10 KZ W126/ (W123?), with rear 
window lock-out switch. LEFT.

Ignition Switch $20.00 126 462 00 93 W126. New.
W123 Glove Box Door $20.00 Wood is good (no cracks) but loose, dark blue 
MB Tex.
Burl Wood Trim $15.00 Driver's door from 300SD. One crack 2" long. Nice 
piece.

Tail Light Assembly $30.00 126 820 16 64 L Qty: 2. Complete assembly.
Tail Light Assembly $30.00 126 820 12 64 R Qty: 2. Complete assembly.
W126 Headlight Set $160.00 Late Model W126, composite (headlight & fog), 
H4 bulbs.



COOL HEADLIGHTS:

Euro W126 Headlight Set $225.00 Nice.
Euro W123 Headlight Set $225.00 Nice.
***WOW!***Euro/ Headlight Set $300.00 VERY NICE. Never seen these 
before. Looks SORT OF like US style, but glass lens over the lights and 
plastic fins. H4 bulbs. Includes vaccuum pods and headlight elevation 
adjustment switch that goes on dash. From Euro 300D.



280SE (W108) parts:

Headlight Surround $20.00 Qty: 2. Ambidextrous.
Tail Light Lens $20.00 Qty: 2. Left and Right.
Fog Light $18.00 Qty: 2 Left and Right.


Miscellaneous Items:

Fake Car alarm $5.00 n/a Imported from Denmark. Wire it and it flashes a 
red light. NIB. QTY: 3
Craftsman 1/2" Impact Wrench $20.00 n/a Lightly used. Includes instruction 
manual.

VDO Voltmeter $10.00 n/a VW/Audio OEM, #811 919 531 C, 12V




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Re: [MBZ] 119 broken valve cover

Im missing 110, and 119 and 128 appear to be broken as well. My theory
is 110 broke, got drug across between the top of the chain and valve
cover, and broke valve cover. It looks to me like 119 just bolts on from
the top. But yes, Im sure the cover needs to come off just to be safe.

Hendrik & Fay wrote:

Fraid you're gonna have to pull off the timing case.
The piece that is broken off (find it here
http://www.detali.ru/cat/cats/?cat=mb ) is situated between the two
camshafts. Now the problem is that you have two holes in the cam cover.
Why? Because something broke off in the bottom, got dragged over cam A,
smashed a hole, smashed the sliding rail and dragged over cam B and
punched another hole in the cover and did God knows what else.
http://www.detali.ru/cat/cats/my.mycat?Pic&syspm=fdc4f8a2525c5a0c4e56584923484b2f0134667e00110c030507005f2c276b5d702a3a3cd5cccd8fa597a99cfeece7ebfeb789bff1c496999ed789bc93919aefc1&pm=4b72461b0e0103085e332e2821323a3e7dc1b7bebfa2a2abaf93979e989d8e8f8ffaf6fdcde3d6849caca2ada9f1c7d5ca3b32323c2b152b1e7c73642d635e586f22353f3c5167

Looking at that, only chain guide 104 sits inside the chain, the rest
all appear to guide it from the outside. I am starting to think
something nasty happened and may not be a guide rail fault, as I can't
see a piece from guide 104 going all the way round to the camshaft
sprockets. However I stand by having to pull the front cover off the
engine to inspect all components.

Hendrik

OK Don wrote:

I've never looked at one of those engines, so it's hard to say - did
you pull the other side and compare?

Can you get someone to crank it by hand while you watch the cam
followers go up and down? Don't know how you'd tell if valves were
bent other than to see if they go down and come back up.

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin
wrote:

So, opinions on what needs to happen? Does that slide rail need to be
replaced or does it need to be torn down and all of them replaced?
If just
one one, is there a way to replace it from up top? Looks like I
might have

to split the chain and put in a new master link. See pics

http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/119brokenvalvecover/

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Re: [MBZ] real lifespan of a W123??

Well over 300,000 miles anyway, that car has a lot of distance yet to travel.

The 123 cars are much less refined than the 201/124s but still fun to drive. I 
took my 240D (269,000 MILES) to work today, held it to 70-75mph most of the 
way, that engine loves to scream...

I had a 123 wagon, one of the nicest driving cars I've ever had. I'd buy 
another one if I had the cash and needed the covered cargo space.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 20:45:47 -0500
From: "E M" 
Subject: [MBZ]  real lifespan of a W123??
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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Hi Everyone,

I was offered a W123 300D Turbo Diesel with about 360,000 kms on it.  Guy
said some rust just starting, but drives well.  He mentioned it's also
starting to burn a bit of oil.

Ok, just how many "real" miles do you get on average out of one of these
engines before they need much work.  By work, I mean, rebuilding the head,
doing the rings, bottom end, etc.?

I was focusing on another W124, but everyone seems to speak so highly of
these cars, I might just snag it.

My two dream cars as a young man were a W123 wagon, and a 911.  Ok, I was a
weird teen. lol

The groups thoughts, suggestions??

Ed
300E


  
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Re: [MBZ] 119 broken valve cover

No, but I probably will pull the other side  have not tried to turn it 
over yet.  When tom was looking at it for me he said the thing tried to 
start when they turned it over via starter.  I dont want to turn it with 
the starter again till I see whats going on with the rails etc, make 
sure nothing is stuck down in there somewhere.


OK Don wrote:

I've never looked at one of those engines, so it's hard to say - did
you pull the other side and compare?

Can you get someone to crank it by hand while you watch the cam
followers go up and down? Don't know how you'd tell if valves were
bent other than to see if they go down and come back up.

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:

Pulled the valve cover today to survey the damage.  Looks like there is
supposed to be a slide rail at the top of the head under the chain toward
the middle side of the engine, which is not there.  Is this correct?  Looks
like its broken which caused the valve cover to break. Chain is intact and
it does not appear at least from the outside that there are any bent valves.
 So, opinions on what needs to happen?  Does that slide rail need to be
replaced or does it need to be torn down and all of them replaced?  If just
one one, is there a way to replace it from up top?  Looks like I might have
to split the chain and put in a new master link.  See pics

http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/119brokenvalvecover/







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Re: [MBZ] Toyota vs GM

Nope, the auto workers have a 30 year retirement plan. For example, my Wife
is eligible to retire at the age of 54 - that's 11 years short of Medicare.
If she had gone to work for Chrysler when she was 18, as many did in states
like Michigan, she would have retired last year at 48 years old - 17 years
short of Medicare.

It's these retirees plus the medical benefits they get beyond Medicare that
are the issue.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924

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Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 8:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Toyota vs GM

"Tom Hargrave"  writes:

> The issue is that each GM worker is supporting the medical benefits of
> 1.6 retirees & their families.

Um wait, retired workers would be on Medicare no?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota vs GM

2008-12-29 Thread Wilton Strickland

Medicare at 65 years.

Wilton

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Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Toyota vs GM


> "Tom Hargrave"  writes:
> 
> > The issue is that each GM worker is supporting the medical benefits of
> > 1.6 retirees & their families.
> 
> Um wait, retired workers would be on Medicare no?
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota vs GM

The issue with the big three is not the pension - it's funded and self
sustaining and has to be this way by law. This issue is specifically the
medical benefits and the fact that each GM worker is supporting his own
medical benefits plus the benefits of 1.6 retirees and their dependents.
These "retiree medical benefits" add an estimated $1700 to each GM car and
truck.

And the disparity is not caused by all market share loss. The big three have
also become much more efficient & require far less workers to build the same
number of vehicles. The big three sold more cars & trucks in the US last
year than all of the importers put together. This is why Toyota has worked
so hard to market their V8 Toyota Tundra over the past few years.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 8:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Toyota vs GM

"OK Don"  writes:

> I wonder if Toyota provides a living retirement package, and what
> their profit margin will look like after they have a generation of
> retired workers to provide for?

If they're smart they have 401k plans or whatever, that they fund at
some base amount, and to which employees can contribute more (and they
perhaps match to some amount) but they are NOT on the hook for the
eventual income needs of the individuals.

"Defined benefit" plans (the traditional "pension") have been abandonded
by most employers, even government and other public entities such as
universities, as they are not manageable.  Defined contribution plans
(e.g. a 401k) are.

Allan

>
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Allen Sawyer 
wrote:
>> It has been published several times that last year,  both Toyota and GM
produced the same number of vehicles, something like seventeen million, but
Toyota's profit was 17 billion, and GM had a loss of 39 billion.  Several
people are going to have make some kind of sacrifice to achieve equity.  It
will be interesting to see what concessions will be made by both labor and
management.  A few years ago, American Airlines was facing bankruptcy, and
management got  the employees, notably flight attendants and pilots, to take
wage reductions.  The deal almost fell thru because it slipped out that
executives were still getting their bonuses.  The CEO had to go over that.
>> ADS

-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Toyota vs GM

"Tom Hargrave"  writes:

> The issue is that each GM worker is supporting the medical benefits of
> 1.6 retirees & their families.

Um wait, retired workers would be on Medicare no?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] 119 broken valve cover

2008-12-29 Thread Frederick W Moir


Kaleb, et al.
From the photos, it looks like a very worn chain, and/or a dead 
tensioning device. When the throttle is suddenly released, the chain 
rides up the back of the sprocket and part jams between the guide and 
the sprocket, putting a lot of pressure on the guide, eventually 
breaking the guide and cover. Saw this on the inside of the cover on 
my M102 engine with rattley chain. Nice set of stripes.

My $0.02
Fred Moir
Lynn MA


At 06:10 PM 12/29/2008, you wrote:
Pulled the valve cover today to survey the damage.  Looks like there 
is supposed to be a slide rail at the top of the head under the 
chain toward the middle side of the engine, which is not there.  Is 
this correct?  Looks like its broken which caused the valve cover to 
break. Chain is intact and it does not appear at least from the 
outside that there are any bent valves.  So, opinions on what needs 
to happen?  Does that slide rail need to be replaced or does it need 
to be torn down and all of them replaced?  If just one one, is there 
a way to replace it from up top?  Looks like I might have to split 
the chain and put in a new master link.  See pics

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Re: [MBZ] OT Ford Focus tranny problems

Took it in to the dealer, just no time to mess with it.  MIL was on so
something was wrong.

They determined it was a bad solenoid, replaced and new fluid and filter
for $350.  A bit of a pinch but keeps me off the garage floor for a
weekend.

They did say there was still some "pump noise" and the transmission may
be closer than not to the end of its life (110 K miles, seems low but
then again I'm guilty of pushing the fluid change intervals too far on
that car).

I wonder if Mobil-1 ATF is good in Ford transmissions?

If and when the time comes, anyone know if used transmissions from
places like car-part.com tend to be worth messing with?

Allan
-- 
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Re: [MBZ] driveline noise diagnosis? ('85 300D)

2008-12-29 Thread Jim Cathey


Once one has experienced a few of each type of problem, one can
usually determine whether it's driveline or wheel because of the
base frequency of the noise: driveline is at about 3x the frequency
of wheel noises.  That helps narrow it down significantly.  I
had a rear wheel bearing go out once that was highly intermittent,
but clicking noises was part of it.  The car actually had a visible
camber problem due to it, it was amazing it ran as well as it did.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Toyota vs GM

Toyota provides a package that is in par with the big three. They have to do
this to keep UAW out of their shops. Also, the oldest foreign auto factory
is just 35 years old. In other words, they really have not retired anybody
except for those eligible for a medical "out" and a few who have made it to
30 years. So, if the economic crises that hit us were to hit 25 years from
now, the foreign auto makers would be in the exact same position that the
big three are in.

The issue is that each GM worker is supporting the medical benefits of 1.6
retirees & their families and each Toyota worker is supporting his or her
own medical benefits and the entire shop is supporting a handful of retiree
benefits. Last I looked, the additional retiree burden add an estimated
$1700 to the manufacturing cost of a GM vehicle. Chrysler and Ford are in
better shape than GM.

Wage cuts are not the answer. With these numbers, the auto workers would
have to cut wages down to poverty level to be in par with Toyota. In other
words, they would be making far less than the average Toyota worker. Is this
fair? No.

The other answer is to cut off all retiree medical benefits, which should
immediately bring GM into per with Toyota. I know that many list members are
retired - how would you react to being told that your retiree medical
benefits no longer existed as of Friday? So, this is not a fair solution
either, is it?

The third solution is to lobby the Government to pick up the retiree
benefits cost. This was tried earlier this year and did not work. I guess we
aren't Socialist enough, not yet anyway.

Now, I'll tell you what they are doing.

My Wife works for Chrysler and they have seriously cut back the medical
benefits for active and retired Employees. For example, I am a type 2
diabetic & suffer from serious allergies and prescriptions that used to cost
me $15.00 per month co-pay now cost me $90.00 per month. This is because all
non-essential medicines fell off the list and some pills I take (my allergy
meds) are considered nonessential. Also, I pay for 100% of my doctor office
visits - these used to be covered 100%.

Chrysler handed the medical benefit program over to UAW along with a one
time down payment of lots of money (don't remember the exact amount). Plus,
they are now committed to a monthly payment into the medical benefit system.
This turns the medical benefit program into a self sustaining program
similar to the retirement fund. GM can't do this because their retiree base
is much larger than Chrysler.

Chrysler has done away with their cost of living adjustments, which
translates into a $2.50 / hour wage cut. Plus, my Wife has not has a pay
raise in 5 years. Factor in inflation and this also translates into a pay
cut.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924

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I wonder if Toyota provides a living retirement package, and what
their profit margin will look like after they have a generation of
retired workers to provide for?

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Allen Sawyer 
wrote:
> It has been published several times that last year,  both Toyota and GM
produced the same number of vehicles, something like seventeen million, but
Toyota's profit was 17 billion, and GM had a loss of 39 billion.  Several
people are going to have make some kind of sacrifice to achieve equity.  It
will be interesting to see what concessions will be made by both labor and
management.  A few years ago, American Airlines was facing bankruptcy, and
management got  the employees, notably flight attendants and pilots, to take
wage reductions.  The deal almost fell thru because it slipped out that
executives were still getting their bonuses.  The CEO had to go over that.
> ADS

-- 
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Re: [MBZ] real lifespan of a W123??

2008-12-29 Thread Chuck Landenberger


Ed,

Truth be known, it all depends on maintenance and care.  And averages  
are the result of the best and worst...  Not applicable to any one  
particular car...  Did you mean 360,000 kilometers or miles?  If  
miles, that's only 223,000 miles and there's a whole lot left, but  
you will need to see if records of maintenance are available.  Even  
knowing that, check everything - compression, change fluids/belts  
(all) and (as Marshall Booth was wont to say):  Drive it like your  
stole it!!


Take care and Happy New Year,

Chuck


On Dec 29, 2008, at 3:45 PM, E M wrote:


Hi Everyone,

I was offered a W123 300D Turbo Diesel with about 360,000 kms on  
it.  Guy

said some rust just starting, but drives well.  He mentioned it's also
starting to burn a bit of oil.

Ok, just how many "real" miles do you get on average out of one of  
these
engines before they need much work.  By work, I mean, rebuilding  
the head,

doing the rings, bottom end, etc.?

I was focusing on another W124, but everyone seems to speak so  
highly of

these cars, I might just snag it.

My two dream cars as a young man were a W123 wagon, and a 911.  Ok,  
I was a

weird teen. lol

The groups thoughts, suggestions??

Ed
300E
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Re: [MBZ] 119 broken valve cover

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Looking at that, only chain guide 104 sits inside the chain, the rest
all appear to guide it from the outside. I am starting to think
something nasty happened and may not be a guide rail fault, as I can't
see a piece from guide 104 going all the way round to the camshaft
sprockets. However I stand by having to pull the front cover off the
engine to inspect all components.

Hendrik

OK Don wrote:

I've never looked at one of those engines, so it's hard to say - did
you pull the other side and compare?

Can you get someone to crank it by hand while you watch the cam
followers go up and down? Don't know how you'd tell if valves were
bent other than to see if they go down and come back up.

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Pulled the valve cover today to survey the damage. Looks like there is
supposed to be a slide rail at the top of the head under the chain toward
the middle side of the engine, which is not there. Is this correct? Looks
like its broken which caused the valve cover to break. Chain is intact and
it does not appear at least from the outside that there are any bent valves.
So, opinions on what needs to happen? Does that slide rail need to be
replaced or does it need to be torn down and all of them replaced? If just
one one, is there a way to replace it from up top? Looks like I might have
to split the chain and put in a new master link. See pics

http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/119brokenvalvecover/

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Re: [MBZ] real lifespan of a W123??

2008-12-29 Thread OK Don

I find the 123s to be crude compared to the 124 - hold out one.  On
the other hand, if yo could use a beater - this might be a good
candidate.

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 7:45 PM, E M  wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I was offered a W123 300D Turbo Diesel with about 360,000 kms on it.  Guy
> said some rust just starting, but drives well.  He mentioned it's also
> starting to burn a bit of oil.
>
> Ok, just how many "real" miles do you get on average out of one of these
> engines before they need much work.  By work, I mean, rebuilding the head,
> doing the rings, bottom end, etc.?
>
> I was focusing on another W124, but everyone seems to speak so highly of
> these cars, I might just snag it.
>

-- 
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Re: [MBZ] real lifespan of a W123??

"E M"  writes:

> I was offered a W123 300D Turbo Diesel with about 360,000 kms on it.
> Guy said some rust just starting, but drives well.  He mentioned it's
> also starting to burn a bit of oil.
>
> Ok, just how many "real" miles do you get on average out of one of
> these engines before they need much work.  By work, I mean, rebuilding
> the head, doing the rings, bottom end, etc.?

I'd say at that mileage, it all depends on how it's been cared for.
There are no real averages at that point.

Allan
-- 
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota vs GM

"OK Don"  writes:

> I wonder if Toyota provides a living retirement package, and what
> their profit margin will look like after they have a generation of
> retired workers to provide for?

If they're smart they have 401k plans or whatever, that they fund at
some base amount, and to which employees can contribute more (and they
perhaps match to some amount) but they are NOT on the hook for the
eventual income needs of the individuals.

"Defined benefit" plans (the traditional "pension") have been abandonded
by most employers, even government and other public entities such as
universities, as they are not manageable.  Defined contribution plans
(e.g. a 401k) are.

Allan


>
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Allen Sawyer  wrote:
>> It has been published several times that last year,  both Toyota and GM 
>> produced the same number of vehicles, something like seventeen million, but 
>> Toyota's profit was 17 billion, and GM had a loss of 39 billion.  Several 
>> people are going to have make some kind of sacrifice to achieve equity.  It 
>> will be interesting to see what concessions will be made by both labor and 
>> management.  A few years ago, American Airlines was facing bankruptcy, and 
>> management got  the employees, notably flight attendants and pilots, to take 
>> wage reductions.  The deal almost fell thru because it slipped out that 
>> executives were still getting their bonuses.  The CEO had to go over that.
>> ADS

-- 
1983 300D

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2008-12-29 Thread fred . star

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[MBZ] real lifespan of a W123??

Hi Everyone,

I was offered a W123 300D Turbo Diesel with about 360,000 kms on it.  Guy
said some rust just starting, but drives well.  He mentioned it's also
starting to burn a bit of oil.

Ok, just how many "real" miles do you get on average out of one of these
engines before they need much work.  By work, I mean, rebuilding the head,
doing the rings, bottom end, etc.?

I was focusing on another W124, but everyone seems to speak so highly of
these cars, I might just snag it.

My two dream cars as a young man were a W123 wagon, and a 911.  Ok, I was a
weird teen. lol

The groups thoughts, suggestions??

Ed
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota vs GM

2008-12-29 Thread OK Don

I wonder if Toyota provides a living retirement package, and what
their profit margin will look like after they have a generation of
retired workers to provide for?

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Allen Sawyer  wrote:
> It has been published several times that last year,  both Toyota and GM 
> produced the same number of vehicles, something like seventeen million, but 
> Toyota's profit was 17 billion, and GM had a loss of 39 billion.  Several 
> people are going to have make some kind of sacrifice to achieve equity.  It 
> will be interesting to see what concessions will be made by both labor and 
> management.  A few years ago, American Airlines was facing bankruptcy, and 
> management got  the employees, notably flight attendants and pilots, to take 
> wage reductions.  The deal almost fell thru because it slipped out that 
> executives were still getting their bonuses.  The CEO had to go over that.
> ADS


-- 
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[MBZ] Toyota vs GM

2008-12-29 Thread Allen Sawyer

It has been published several times that last year,  both Toyota and GM 
produced the same number of vehicles, something like seventeen million, but 
Toyota's profit was 17 billion, and GM had a loss of 39 billion.  Several 
people are going to have make some kind of sacrifice to achieve equity.  It 
will be interesting to see what concessions will be made by both labor and 
management.  A few years ago, American Airlines was facing bankruptcy, and 
management got  the employees, notably flight attendants and pilots, to take 
wage reductions.  The deal almost fell thru because it slipped out that 
executives were still getting their bonuses.  The CEO had to go over that.
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Re: [MBZ] 119 broken valve cover

2008-12-29 Thread OK Don

I've never looked at one of those engines, so it's hard to say - did
you pull the other side and compare?

Can you get someone to crank it by hand while you watch the cam
followers go up and down? Don't know how you'd tell if valves were
bent other than to see if they go down and come back up.

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
> Pulled the valve cover today to survey the damage.  Looks like there is
> supposed to be a slide rail at the top of the head under the chain toward
> the middle side of the engine, which is not there.  Is this correct?  Looks
> like its broken which caused the valve cover to break. Chain is intact and
> it does not appear at least from the outside that there are any bent valves.
>  So, opinions on what needs to happen?  Does that slide rail need to be
> replaced or does it need to be torn down and all of them replaced?  If just
> one one, is there a way to replace it from up top?  Looks like I might have
> to split the chain and put in a new master link.  See pics
>
> http://www.okiebenz.com/pics/119brokenvalvecover/
>

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Re: [MBZ] plates

I like the idea, and would probably go for it myself, even at $150, but not
at $150 per annum.

I can think of a number of cars here in Canada that could benefit having
these on the front, rather than the US shape we currently have.

Ed
300E

2008/12/29 Hendrik & Fay 

> Speaking of plates, we now have option of buying Euro style plates but the
> cost is 150 bucks a year.
> http://www.transport.sa.gov.au/ezyplates/euro.html
>
> Hendrik
> resisting the temptation
>
> Allan Streib wrote:
>
>> Chuck Landenberger  writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>> In addition to the Plate Frame Law, Arizona recently went to flat
>>> plates as opposed to embossed and probably cheaper to make.  Less
>>> complicated for the governors and politicians, too
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Indiana did that a few years ago.  Took a couple of attempts with
>> different "fonts" to achieve the similar readability as the embossed
>> numbers.
>>
>> Allan
>> --
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>>
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Re: [MBZ] Broken Windshield

2008-12-29 Thread Chuck Landenberger


Nope..  back at midnight on 1/12.

Chuck
On Dec 29, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Robert Rentfro wrote:


Yup.mine is zero deductable, no premium increase.

Are you back on the mainland?

Bob R

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Bob,

Most auto insurance policies now carry a "no premium increase" and
cover windshield replacement.  Check with your carrier.

Chuck
Phoenix
On Dec 29, 2008, at 7:29 AM, Robert Rentfro wrote:


Took a big rock to the E320 windshield yesterday. Right in line of
sight, of
course. Started cracking this morning. Drove over to the car wash
where the
windshield guys lurk and I am set up to get it replaced with the
correct
Mercedes windshield next Monday. Supposedly I'm all hooked up with
the shop
that deals with Mercedes exclusively. I hope this doesn't turn out
to be a
fiasco.



Bob R.

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Re: [MBZ] Broken Windshield

Yup.mine is zero deductable, no premium increase. 

Are you back on the mainland?

Bob R

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On Behalf Of Chuck Landenberger
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 3:39 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Broken Windshield

Bob,

Most auto insurance policies now carry a "no premium increase" and  
cover windshield replacement.  Check with your carrier.

Chuck
Phoenix
On Dec 29, 2008, at 7:29 AM, Robert Rentfro wrote:

> Took a big rock to the E320 windshield yesterday. Right in line of  
> sight, of
> course. Started cracking this morning. Drove over to the car wash  
> where the
> windshield guys lurk and I am set up to get it replaced with the  
> correct
> Mercedes windshield next Monday. Supposedly I'm all hooked up with  
> the shop
> that deals with Mercedes exclusively. I hope this doesn't turn out  
> to be a
> fiasco.
>
>
>
> Bob R.
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Re: [MBZ] plates

Speaking of plates, we now have option of buying Euro style plates but 
the cost is 150 bucks a year.

http://www.transport.sa.gov.au/ezyplates/euro.html

Hendrik
resisting the temptation

Allan Streib wrote:

Chuck Landenberger  writes:

  

In addition to the Plate Frame Law, Arizona recently went to flat
plates as opposed to embossed and probably cheaper to make.  Less
complicated for the governors and politicians, too



Indiana did that a few years ago.  Took a couple of attempts with
different "fonts" to achieve the similar readability as the embossed
numbers.

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Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from an industry vendor's President.


Seems to be the typical small business owner mantra.
"Look how efficiently I can run my operation, why can't big business be 
like me? The workers are overpaid, blah blah blah, I pay mine minimum 
wage, blah blah blah, a pizza lunch is their Christmas bonus. Unions are 
evil, blah blah blah, get rid of them so I can get away with paying the 
workers even less and cut other entitlements. Workers should all live in 
slums and eat dog food, whilst I have a big house, big cars, a couple of 
holiday homes and eat real nice because I am the boss and I deserve a 
good quality of life. The workers don't deserve much because they are 
lazy, uneducated slobs, who haven't got the motivation or skills to get 
ahead and therefore should suffer"
Heard it all before and the sad thing is when these people started out 
as workers their attitude was not like this. Betcha boots this 
individual was making good coin to enable him to save up and start a 
small business. Either that or he was born into the business, which 
makes his attitude even worse.
Sure there is a fair bit of bloat in the auto industry but it goes all 
the way to the top and why exactly should a exec get a truckload of 
money and perks and an assembly line worker get bugger all? Ahh that's 
right Johnny Whitecollar was lucky enough to be able to get a college 
education, whilst Billy Bluecollar drew the short straw and now has to 
suffer, in a mundane, low paying job, with no prospect of ever being 
able to save up money to be able to start a small business/buy a 
house/pay for a decent education for his kids (if he can afford to have 
kids that is).
Anyway perhaps it is time to shut down the US auto industry and import 
all the vehicles from low wage countries, perhaps then Mr Knox will be 
happy because there won't be any need for a greedy auto union, bleeding 
the country dry.
However Mr Knox may find that he will go bankrupt because of the flow on 
effect, which may not be a bad thing, perhaps working a low wage, 
mundane job will make him reconsider the role of unions and so on.
Sure the bailout sucks but what are the alternatives? Why should 
banks/et al get handouts and the auto industry has to suffer the 
consequences of the mistakes of the financial sector. If anything the 
auto industry should get the cash and the banks can go stuff themselves. 
Sure the car business has it's problems but did it cause the GFC by 
overpaying and under producing?
Perhaps Mr Knox could turn his genius to the real culprits in this mess, 
instead of attacking a soft target.


Hendrik
who thinks that unions are a necessary evil because there are evil bosses

Rich Thomas wrote:
There was lots of discussion on this topic a coupla weeks ago, I got 
this from someone else, seems a point/counterpoint.


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A letter from GM and a response from an industry vendor's President.
~~

Next week, Congress and the current Administration will determine 
whether to provide immediate support to the domestic auto industry to 
help it through one of the most difficult economic times in our 
nation's history. Your elected officials must hear from all of us now 
on why this support is critical to our continuing the progress we 
began prior to the global financial crisis..As an 
employee, you have a lot at stake and continue to be one of our most 
effective and passionate voices.. I know GM can count on you to have 
your voice heard.


Thank you for your urgent action and ongoing support.

Troy Clarke
President
General Motors North America

~~~

From Gregory Knox,

In response to your request to call legislators and ask for a bailout 
for the United States automakers please consider the following, and 
please also pass this onto Troy Clark, the president of General Motors 
North America for me.


You are both infected with the same entitlement mentality that has 
bred like cancerous germs in UAW halls for the
last countless decades, and whose plague is now sweeping the nation, 
awaiting our new "messiah" to wave his magical wand and make all our 
problems go away, while at the same time allowing our once great 
nation to keep "living the dream"...


The dream is over!

The dream that we can ignore the consumer for years while management 
myopically focuses on its personal rewards packages at the same time 
that our factories have been filled with the worlds most overpaid, 
arrogant, ignorant and laziest entitlement minded "laborers" without 
paying the price for these atrocities...and that still the masses will 
line up to buy our products


Don't tell me I'm wrong. Don't accuse me of not knowing of what I 
speak. I have called on Ford, GM, Chrysler, TRW, Delphi, Kelsey 
Hayes,  American Axle and countless other automotive OEM's and Tier 
ones for 3 decades now throughout the Midwest and what I've seen over 
the years in these union shops can only be described as di

Re: [MBZ] plates

Chuck Landenberger  writes:

> In addition to the Plate Frame Law, Arizona recently went to flat
> plates as opposed to embossed and probably cheaper to make.  Less
> complicated for the governors and politicians, too

Indiana did that a few years ago.  Took a couple of attempts with
different "fonts" to achieve the similar readability as the embossed
numbers.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] driveline noise diagnosis? ('85 300D)


Or, get a good used one from Kaleb for $45

ru...@buymbparts.com wrote:

Or... Get a New one from Rusty for only $159.95. A bargain at 
twice the price.


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-Original Message-
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 

Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:20:43 
To: Mercedes Discussion List

Subject: Re: [MBZ] driveline noise diagnosis? ('85 300D)


You probably have a torn boot on one of your rear axle shafts, which it 
turn causes the joint to go bad.  The noise will come and go for a while 
till it finally comes for good.  Just get a good used one and be done 
with it.


ernest breakfield wrote:

hi gang!

   time for an invitation to play one of our least favorite games; 
diagnosis of an intermittent noise via the internet.   ;-*


   the suspect: Helga; an '85 300D California car, with just over 170K 
miles on it that i've had for the last 50K+ miles.


   scenario: trunk moderately full of Christmas goodies and luggage, 
cruising I5 at around 70+MPH on a trip downstate last week. about 3-4 
hours out i started hearing a rhythmic noise that sounded at first like 
a tire thumping, but there was no associated vibration to be felt. this 
noise gradually became progressively louder; enough that i pulled off to 
see if there might be something stuck under the car flapping, or 
anything else visibly out of sorts, but peeping and grabbing and shaking 
things didn't turn up any likely culprits. after crawling around under 
the car for a bit and sitting on the side of the road, i decided to move 
the normally dependable beast to a better location, and lo! no noise 
whatsoever. we decided to see how close to our destination we could get 
and proceeded, only to not have the noise show back up in the next 
hour-plus; just enough time to get us over the Grapevine before dark.
   to make a long story short, this scenario repeated itself with varied 
frequency throughout the next several hundred miles; sometimes without 
any noises for hours, and other times coming back in as little as 40 
miles. sometimes once the noise starts it sounds like a u-joint 
click-clunking as the vehicle comes to a slow, and other times it makes 
almost no noise at all while coming down to a stop.
   once the noise shows up it may or may not worsen under load, and may 
or may not worsen with speed. sometimes it goes away immediately as soon 
as the vehicle comes to a stop, and other times it seems to need to sit 
for a while. we ended up making a practice of finding many excuses to 
stop on the premise of giving our dog more places to sniff, and that 
seemed to keep the noise at bay somewhat.


   final note of concern was while driving a short errand around town 
last night, a sharp "Clank!" was heard followed immediately by something 
that sounded for all the world like a bolt falling out of place; yet 
nothing has been found to appear out of place yet by crawling around 
under the car. note of concern to me, this was the first time there have 
been serious noises that weren't rhythmic, and this showed up while the 
car had just started doing errands at sub-35 MPH.


   my impression is that this is something related to the driveline 
based on the rhythm, but i'm not sure what i might need to look for. 
driveline doesn't seem to have any undue play when twisted by hand, 
there aren't any tears on the axle boots, and there doesn't seem to be 
anything out of the ordinary underneath.


   i *hate* intermittent problems. i also hate problems that i can't 
repeat with the vehicle at rest, making it impossible to accurately 
determine where the noise(s) come from.


   any hints, tips, or clues as to what i might look for before i have 
to just start addressing the problem shotgunning-style by just replacing 
everything that moves down there?



cheers!
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Re: [MBZ] driveline noise diagnosis? ('85 300D)

2008-12-29 Thread rusty


Or... Get a New one from Rusty for only $159.95. A bargain at 
twice the price.


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-Original Message-
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 

Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:20:43 
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] driveline noise diagnosis? ('85 300D)


You probably have a torn boot on one of your rear axle shafts, which it 
turn causes the joint to go bad.  The noise will come and go for a while 
till it finally comes for good.  Just get a good used one and be done 
with it.

ernest breakfield wrote:
> hi gang!
> 
>time for an invitation to play one of our least favorite games; 
> diagnosis of an intermittent noise via the internet.   ;-*
> 
>the suspect: Helga; an '85 300D California car, with just over 170K 
> miles on it that i've had for the last 50K+ miles.
> 
>scenario: trunk moderately full of Christmas goodies and luggage, 
> cruising I5 at around 70+MPH on a trip downstate last week. about 3-4 
> hours out i started hearing a rhythmic noise that sounded at first like 
> a tire thumping, but there was no associated vibration to be felt. this 
> noise gradually became progressively louder; enough that i pulled off to 
> see if there might be something stuck under the car flapping, or 
> anything else visibly out of sorts, but peeping and grabbing and shaking 
> things didn't turn up any likely culprits. after crawling around under 
> the car for a bit and sitting on the side of the road, i decided to move 
> the normally dependable beast to a better location, and lo! no noise 
> whatsoever. we decided to see how close to our destination we could get 
> and proceeded, only to not have the noise show back up in the next 
> hour-plus; just enough time to get us over the Grapevine before dark.
>to make a long story short, this scenario repeated itself with varied 
> frequency throughout the next several hundred miles; sometimes without 
> any noises for hours, and other times coming back in as little as 40 
> miles. sometimes once the noise starts it sounds like a u-joint 
> click-clunking as the vehicle comes to a slow, and other times it makes 
> almost no noise at all while coming down to a stop.
>once the noise shows up it may or may not worsen under load, and may 
> or may not worsen with speed. sometimes it goes away immediately as soon 
> as the vehicle comes to a stop, and other times it seems to need to sit 
> for a while. we ended up making a practice of finding many excuses to 
> stop on the premise of giving our dog more places to sniff, and that 
> seemed to keep the noise at bay somewhat.
> 
>final note of concern was while driving a short errand around town 
> last night, a sharp "Clank!" was heard followed immediately by something 
> that sounded for all the world like a bolt falling out of place; yet 
> nothing has been found to appear out of place yet by crawling around 
> under the car. note of concern to me, this was the first time there have 
> been serious noises that weren't rhythmic, and this showed up while the 
> car had just started doing errands at sub-35 MPH.
> 
>my impression is that this is something related to the driveline 
> based on the rhythm, but i'm not sure what i might need to look for. 
> driveline doesn't seem to have any undue play when twisted by hand, 
> there aren't any tears on the axle boots, and there doesn't seem to be 
> anything out of the ordinary underneath.
> 
>i *hate* intermittent problems. i also hate problems that i can't 
> repeat with the vehicle at rest, making it impossible to accurately 
> determine where the noise(s) come from.
> 
>any hints, tips, or clues as to what i might look for before i have 
> to just start addressing the problem shotgunning-style by just replacing 
> everything that moves down there?
> 
> 
> cheers!
> e
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Re: [MBZ] Next Benz For Lt. Don

Not me.

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> maybe he already bought it, end of ad says car is sold
>
> Rick Knoble wrote:
>
>> Or maybe his bride, Deb.
>>
>> http://iowacity.craigslist.org/cto/972123686.html
>>
>> Seems like a good deal. Too bad Kaleb is on a buying freeze.
>> Not Mine, No Affiliation, ect.
>>
>> Rick Knoble
>> '87 190DT
>> '85 300CD
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Re: [MBZ] driveline noise diagnosis? ('85 300D)

You probably have a torn boot on one of your rear axle shafts, which it
turn causes the joint to go bad. The noise will come and go for a while
till it finally comes for good. Just get a good used one and be done
with it.

ernest breakfield wrote:

hi gang!

time for an invitation to play one of our least favorite games;
diagnosis of an intermittent noise via the internet. ;-*

the suspect: Helga; an '85 300D California car, with just over 170K
miles on it that i've had for the last 50K+ miles.

scenario: trunk moderately full of Christmas goodies and luggage,
cruising I5 at around 70+MPH on a trip downstate last week. about 3-4
hours out i started hearing a rhythmic noise that sounded at first like
a tire thumping, but there was no associated vibration to be felt. this
noise gradually became progressively louder; enough that i pulled off to
see if there might be something stuck under the car flapping, or
anything else visibly out of sorts, but peeping and grabbing and shaking
things didn't turn up any likely culprits. after crawling around under
the car for a bit and sitting on the side of the road, i decided to move
the normally dependable beast to a better location, and lo! no noise
whatsoever. we decided to see how close to our destination we could get
and proceeded, only to not have the noise show back up in the next
hour-plus; just enough time to get us over the Grapevine before dark.
to make a long story short, this scenario repeated itself with varied
frequency throughout the next several hundred miles; sometimes without
any noises for hours, and other times coming back in as little as 40
miles. sometimes once the noise starts it sounds like a u-joint
click-clunking as the vehicle comes to a slow, and other times it makes
almost no noise at all while coming down to a stop.
once the noise shows up it may or may not worsen under load, and may
or may not worsen with speed. sometimes it goes away immediately as soon
as the vehicle comes to a stop, and other times it seems to need to sit
for a while. we ended up making a practice of finding many excuses to
stop on the premise of giving our dog more places to sniff, and that
seemed to keep the noise at bay somewhat.

final note of concern was while driving a short errand around town
last night, a sharp "Clank!" was heard followed immediately by something
that sounded for all the world like a bolt falling out of place; yet
nothing has been found to appear out of place yet by crawling around
under the car. note of concern to me, this was the first time there have
been serious noises that weren't rhythmic, and this showed up while the
car had just started doing errands at sub-35 MPH.

my impression is that this is something related to the driveline
based on the rhythm, but i'm not sure what i might need to look for.
driveline doesn't seem to have any undue play when twisted by hand,
there aren't any tears on the axle boots, and there doesn't seem to be
anything out of the ordinary underneath.

i *hate* intermittent problems. i also hate problems that i can't
repeat with the vehicle at rest, making it impossible to accurately
determine where the noise(s) come from.

any hints, tips, or clues as to what i might look for before i have
to just start addressing the problem shotgunning-style by just replacing
everything that moves down there?

cheers!
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Re: [MBZ] noise when loaded

2008-12-29 Thread RELNGSON

> ...time for an invitation to play one of our least favorite games;
> diagnosis of an intermittent noise via the internet.   ;-*...
> 
CV joint.

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Re: [MBZ] Used Parts for Sale! Take a look!


buy new, not used.

Rich Thomas wrote:
How about a 126 accel pedal with an intact plastic thingie that attaches 
to the accel arm thingie?


--R

Christopher McCann wrote:

Dear List,

With Kaleb's permission, I am posting this list of used parts to the 
list (below and attached as .rtf as well). Please let me know 
(xtofer1...@yahoo.com) if you want anything, have any questions, want 
to see a picture, whatever. 10% of sales goes to the charity of my 
choice...that would be Okie Acres Benz Recycling! :-)



  


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Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from an industry vendor's President.


BZZT, WRONG, topic for banned lite, not here.

Rich Thomas wrote:
Can't be true under the new Obama administration -- all will be 
sweetness and light, milk and honey, open and honest and transparent, 
and gosh darn it, people will like them!


--R


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 89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D,
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[MBZ] 140 300SD

Saw a 92 300SD in the paper locally, 200k miles, 4995, in case anybody 
is interested.

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Re: [MBZ] US mods

2008-12-29 Thread RELNGSON

> ...What can you say about a company that cannot resist "junkifying" a 
> perfectly good design to save a couple bucks at the expense of market 
> share?..
> 
Such as the US Rabbit.

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Re: [MBZ] Next Benz For Lt. Don


maybe he already bought it, end of ad says car is sold

Rick Knoble wrote:

Or maybe his bride, Deb.

http://iowacity.craigslist.org/cto/972123686.html

Seems like a good deal. Too bad Kaleb is on a buying freeze. 


Not Mine, No Affiliation, ect.

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'85 300CD

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Re: [MBZ] ISO '87 300TD tranny

Its just a spare I have been holding on to just in case.  Was rebuilt 
right before the car was parted out.  No known issues.


Christopher McCann wrote:

What's the low down on that tranny...number of miles, did you drive drive it 
before pulling it? Any known issues?

Thanks!

Chris



--- On Sun, 12/28/08, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:


From: Kaleb C. Striplin 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] ISO '87 300TD tranny
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 5:13 PM
I have one for a SDL, which is the same except you have to
swap the back plate for the speedo pickup.

Christopher McCann wrote:

Anyone have a working transmission for an '87

300TD that they want to sell?

Thanks,

Chris


  
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[MBZ] 119 broken valve cover

Pulled the valve cover today to survey the damage.  Looks like there is 
supposed to be a slide rail at the top of the head under the chain 
toward the middle side of the engine, which is not there.  Is this 
correct?  Looks like its broken which caused the valve cover to break. 
Chain is intact and it does not appear at least from the outside that 
there are any bent valves.  So, opinions on what needs to happen?  Does 
that slide rail need to be replaced or does it need to be torn down and 
all of them replaced?  If just one one, is there a way to replace it 
from up top?  Looks like I might have to split the chain and put in a 
new master link.  See pics


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 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D,
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Re: [MBZ] driveline noise diagnosis? ('85 300D)

I vote for bad axle CV joint. That noise and behavior can be
intermittent, at least it was on my TD, seemed to get worse longer I
drove it, I guess it was getting hot or something. Do you notice the
noise or whatever in reverse too? Did you jack up the rear and rotate
wheels by hand while underneath listening for diff or axle noises?

--R

ernest breakfield wrote:

hi gang!

time for an invitation to play one of our least favorite games;
diagnosis of an intermittent noise via the internet. ;-*

the suspect: Helga; an '85 300D California car, with just over 170K
miles on it that i've had for the last 50K+ miles.

scenario: trunk moderately full of Christmas goodies and luggage,
cruising I5 at around 70+MPH on a trip downstate last week. about 3-4
hours out i started hearing a rhythmic noise that sounded at first
like a tire thumping, but there was no associated vibration to be
felt. this noise gradually became progressively louder; enough that i
pulled off to see if there might be something stuck under the car
flapping, or anything else visibly out of sorts, but peeping and
grabbing and shaking things didn't turn up any likely culprits. after
crawling around under the car for a bit and sitting on the side of the
road, i decided to move the normally dependable beast to a better
location, and lo! no noise whatsoever. we decided to see how close to
our destination we could get and proceeded, only to not have the noise
show back up in the next hour-plus; just enough time to get us over
the Grapevine before dark.
to make a long story short, this scenario repeated itself with
varied frequency throughout the next several hundred miles; sometimes
without any noises for hours, and other times coming back in as little
as 40 miles. sometimes once the noise starts it sounds like a u-joint
click-clunking as the vehicle comes to a slow, and other times it
makes almost no noise at all while coming down to a stop.
once the noise shows up it may or may not worsen under load, and
may or may not worsen with speed. sometimes it goes away immediately
as soon as the vehicle comes to a stop, and other times it seems to
need to sit for a while. we ended up making a practice of finding many
excuses to stop on the premise of giving our dog more places to sniff,
and that seemed to keep the noise at bay somewhat.

final note of concern was while driving a short errand around town
last night, a sharp "Clank!" was heard followed immediately by
something that sounded for all the world like a bolt falling out of
place; yet nothing has been found to appear out of place yet by
crawling around under the car. note of concern to me, this was the
first time there have been serious noises that weren't rhythmic, and
this showed up while the car had just started doing errands at sub-35
MPH.

i *hate* intermittent problems. i also hate problems that i can't
repeat with the vehicle at rest, making it impossible to accurately
determine where the noise(s) come from.

any hints, tips, or clues as to what i might look for before i have
to just start addressing the problem shotgunning-style by just
replacing everything that moves down there?

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Re: [MBZ] Opinions please - 92 E320

2008-12-29 Thread Wilton Strickland

'Sounds worth a good, long look.  $9700 for my 87 300D (82 kmi) four and a
half years ago, but it was absolutely showroom condition.  Look for rust.

Wilton

- Original Message -
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Opinions please - 92 E320


> Don't know. Ad says "E320". 132K kilometers - so about 82K miles. Wants
$5,500.
>
> Randy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Hendrik & Fay
> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 4:17 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Opinions please - 92 E320
>
>
> Nothing much out of the ordinary. End of 93 was the start of the wiring
> and evap problems.
> However shouldn't that be a 320E?
> As usual pay up front for a good one or pay less for an abused heap.
>
> Hendrik
> with an abused 89 TE but is getting some treatment now
>
> R A Bennell wrote:
> > A 92 E320 advertised locally here with low miles. Don't think price is
cheap but it sounds nice in the ad. Might
> go
> > have a look.
> >
> > What goes wrong with these???
> >
> > Randy
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] driveline noise diagnosis? ('85 300D)

e wrote:
>

I had noise similar to what you describe - no clank, but the bumpy noise.
I had new tires put on two weeks ago.  On driving away - no noise.
Tires looked fine, but new tires fixed what I thought was some
driveline mishap, perhaps half shaft, perhaps diff.  Solution: new
tires - easy fix, but expensive.

The clunk: could that be those plastic mounts for the rear stabilizer
bar?  My '84 euro W123 has these - dunno what your '85 is - maybe it
has the stabilizer bar in the rear?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] driveline noise diagnosis? ('85 300D)

2008-12-29 Thread Peter Frederick

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Re: [MBZ] Opinions please - 92 E320

Yeah, I can see your point Alex, would probably be more both than it was
worth for him.

Ed
300E

2008/12/29 Alex Chamberlain 

> On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:29 PM, E M  wrote:
> > What would be nice, would be to see some "packages" put together by
> Rusty,
> > for older cars.  I tend not to wait for things to fail before replacing
> > them, as they always seem to fail at the most inappropriate time!!  Would
> be
> > nice if he put packages together, like all the rubber bits in the cooling
> > system, and offered 20% of so off on the package.  Kind of preventative
> > packages for older cars.
>
> Rusty has done this before for certain things, like W124 suspension
> wear bits. I speculate that there are too many variations among models
> to make other such packages feasible.  To take your  cooling hoses as
> a good example, I know things changed during the '87 production year
> on the 300D Turbo---some of the hoses were one piece on some cars and
> multiple pieces with clamps and a solid section in the middle on other
> cars.  Would be a pain for Rusty to have to offer one package deal for
> a certain range of VINs and one for another.
>
> Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Opinions please - 92 E320

2008-12-29 Thread R A Bennell

Don't know. Ad says "E320". 132K kilometers - so about 82K miles. Wants $5,500.

Randy

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Opinions please - 92 E320


Nothing much out of the ordinary. End of 93 was the start of the wiring
and evap problems.
However shouldn't that be a 320E?
As usual pay up front for a good one or pay less for an abused heap.

Hendrik
with an abused 89 TE but is getting some treatment now

R A Bennell wrote:
> A 92 E320 advertised locally here with low miles. Don't think price is cheap 
> but it sounds nice in the ad. Might
go
> have a look.
>
> What goes wrong with these???
>
> Randy
>


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[MBZ] driveline noise diagnosis? ('85 300D)

2008-12-29 Thread ernest breakfield

hi gang!

time for an invitation to play one of our least favorite games;
diagnosis of an intermittent noise via the internet. ;-*

the suspect: Helga; an '85 300D California car, with just over 170K
miles on it that i've had for the last 50K+ miles.

scenario: trunk moderately full of Christmas goodies and luggage,
cruising I5 at around 70+MPH on a trip downstate last week. about 3-4
hours out i started hearing a rhythmic noise that sounded at first like
a tire thumping, but there was no associated vibration to be felt. this
noise gradually became progressively louder; enough that i pulled off to
see if there might be something stuck under the car flapping, or
anything else visibly out of sorts, but peeping and grabbing and shaking
things didn't turn up any likely culprits. after crawling around under
the car for a bit and sitting on the side of the road, i decided to move
the normally dependable beast to a better location, and lo! no noise
whatsoever. we decided to see how close to our destination we could get
and proceeded, only to not have the noise show back up in the next
hour-plus; just enough time to get us over the Grapevine before dark.
to make a long story short, this scenario repeated itself with
varied frequency throughout the next several hundred miles; sometimes
without any noises for hours, and other times coming back in as little
as 40 miles. sometimes once the noise starts it sounds like a u-joint
click-clunking as the vehicle comes to a slow, and other times it makes
almost no noise at all while coming down to a stop.
once the noise shows up it may or may not worsen under load, and may
or may not worsen with speed. sometimes it goes away immediately as soon
as the vehicle comes to a stop, and other times it seems to need to sit
for a while. we ended up making a practice of finding many excuses to
stop on the premise of giving our dog more places to sniff, and that
seemed to keep the noise at bay somewhat.

i *hate* intermittent problems. i also hate problems that i can't
repeat with the vehicle at rest, making it impossible to accurately
determine where the noise(s) come from.

any hints, tips, or clues as to what i might look for before i have
to just start addressing the problem shotgunning-style by just replacing
everything that moves down there?

cheers!
e
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Re: [MBZ] Broken Windshield

2008-12-29 Thread Chuck Landenberger


Bob,

Most auto insurance policies now carry a "no premium increase" and  
cover windshield replacement.  Check with your carrier.


Chuck
Phoenix
On Dec 29, 2008, at 7:29 AM, Robert Rentfro wrote:

Took a big rock to the E320 windshield yesterday. Right in line of  
sight, of
course. Started cracking this morning. Drove over to the car wash  
where the
windshield guys lurk and I am set up to get it replaced with the  
correct
Mercedes windshield next Monday. Supposedly I'm all hooked up with  
the shop
that deals with Mercedes exclusively. I hope this doesn't turn out  
to be a

fiasco.



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Re: [MBZ] Opinions please - 92 E320

2008-12-29 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:29 PM, E M  wrote:
> What would be nice, would be to see some "packages" put together by Rusty,
> for older cars.  I tend not to wait for things to fail before replacing
> them, as they always seem to fail at the most inappropriate time!!  Would be
> nice if he put packages together, like all the rubber bits in the cooling
> system, and offered 20% of so off on the package.  Kind of preventative
> packages for older cars.

Rusty has done this before for certain things, like W124 suspension
wear bits. I speculate that there are too many variations among models
to make other such packages feasible.  To take your  cooling hoses as
a good example, I know things changed during the '87 production year
on the 300D Turbo---some of the hoses were one piece on some cars and
multiple pieces with clamps and a solid section in the middle on other
cars.  Would be a pain for Rusty to have to offer one package deal for
a certain range of VINs and one for another.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Opinions please - 92 E320

Good advise Hendrik.  Not sure about you, but even when I pay good money for
the best I can find, they often need work so I feel comfortable relying on
them.  My 300E came with lots of miles, but very good service history, so I
paid probably too much for the age and mileage, but the care given to the
car was obvious, and the thick folder of service won me over.

Having said that, the car is showing wear, and I'm starting to make a list
of things for the upcoming Spring.  It's one of those things, do I part with
it, or put money into it.  I want to do the guides, change all the rubber
hoses, new brakes are due soon, and rebuild what hasn't already been done on
the suspension.  I do like the car, and there is a certain satisfaction that
comes with sorting a car out yourself, which I'm sure you can appreciate.

What would be nice, would be to see some "packages" put together by Rusty,
for older cars.  I tend not to wait for things to fail before replacing
them, as they always seem to fail at the most inappropriate time!!  Would be
nice if he put packages together, like all the rubber bits in the cooling
system, and offered 20% of so off on the package.  Kind of preventative
packages for older cars.

Ed
300E

2008/12/29 Hendrik & Fay 

> Nothing much out of the ordinary. End of 93 was the start of the wiring and
> evap problems.
> However shouldn't that be a 320E?
> As usual pay up front for a good one or pay less for an abused heap.
>
> Hendrik
> with an abused 89 TE but is getting some treatment now
>
> R A Bennell wrote:
>
>> A 92 E320 advertised locally here with low miles. Don't think price is
>> cheap but it sounds nice in the ad. Might go
>> have a look.
>>
>> What goes wrong with these???
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Opinions please - 92 E320

Nothing much out of the ordinary. End of 93 was the start of the wiring 
and evap problems.

However shouldn't that be a 320E?
As usual pay up front for a good one or pay less for an abused heap.

Hendrik
with an abused 89 TE but is getting some treatment now

R A Bennell wrote:

A 92 E320 advertised locally here with low miles. Don't think price is cheap 
but it sounds nice in the ad. Might go
have a look.

What goes wrong with these???

Randy
  



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Re: [MBZ] Used Parts for Sale! Take a look! - W126 pedal thingies

2008-12-29 Thread Christopher McCann

I can get you one at the pick n pull this saturday, if you want. They have 1 or 
2 300SDs. I know exactly what you mean as those thingies broke on my pedal this 
summer.

-Chris


'85 300SD 241K mi/'92 Dodge B-350 Ram Wagon/'82 VW Vanagon Diesel 229K mi/'75 
240D/'80 300SD/'83 240D/'84 300Dt/'85 300Dt Cali (parting out)/'87 190E 2.3 
(parting out)


--- On Mon, 12/29/08, Rich Thomas  wrote:

> From: Rich Thomas 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Used Parts for Sale! Take a look!
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 3:36 PM
> How about a 126 accel pedal with an intact plastic thingie
> that attaches 
> to the accel arm thingie?
> 
> --R
> 
> Christopher McCann wrote:
> > Dear List,
> >
> > With Kaleb's permission, I am posting this list of
> used parts to the list (below and attached as .rtf as well).
> Please let me know (xtofer1...@yahoo.com) if you want
> anything, have any questions, want to see a picture,
> whatever. 10% of sales goes to the charity of my
> choice...that would be Okie Acres Benz Recycling! :-)
> >
> >
> >   
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Re: [MBZ] Used Parts for Sale! Take a look!

How about a 126 accel pedal with an intact plastic thingie that attaches 
to the accel arm thingie?


--R

Christopher McCann wrote:

Dear List,

With Kaleb's permission, I am posting this list of used parts to the list 
(below and attached as .rtf as well). Please let me know (xtofer1...@yahoo.com) 
if you want anything, have any questions, want to see a picture, whatever. 10% 
of sales goes to the charity of my choice...that would be Okie Acres Benz 
Recycling! :-)


  


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Re: [MBZ] namen

RLE wrote:
> I have no idea what CSOC means. But I have paid a fee for a Customs agent to
> drive from SeaTac Aitport down to Boeing Field to open their office on a
> Sunday.

The reagan star wars test bed facility - Consolidated Space Operations
Center - now called Falcon Air Force Station - which implies ability
to fly in - someday.  Whereas Petersen field is a mere 10 miles west,
and NORAD 20 miles west.  Many many military dollars go to CSpgs.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from an industry vendor's President.

--R wrote:
> Can't be true under the new Obama administration -- all will be sweetness
> and light, milk and honey, open and honest and transparent, and gosh darn
> it, people will like them!

Lie-ing, thieving, sacks of crap - that's all.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Broken Windshield

I don't think W126 and newer cars (including 124 and 201) have a gasket as 
such, its a seal. On my 201 the guy laid down a thick bead of black gunk which 
both sealed and glued the glass in place...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:33:38 -0700
From: Craig McCluskey 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Broken Windshield
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Message-ID: <20081229103338.00891e9c.diese...@cnsp.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:29:27 -0700 "Robert Rentfro" 
wrote:

> Took a big rock to the E320 windshield yesterday. Right in line of
> sight, of course. Started cracking this morning. Drove over to the car
> wash where the windshield guys lurk and I am set up to get it replaced
> with the correct Mercedes windshield next Monday. Supposedly I'm all
> hooked up with the shop that deals with Mercedes exclusively. I hope
> this doesn't turn out to be a fiasco.

With Mercedes glass and Mercedes gasket, at least the parts would be good
quality.


Craig


  
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Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from an industryvendor's President.

Sure, they're rugged, the latest ones even looked pretty good and some were 
fairly peppy. They're also uncomfortable, loud and had rust and fit and finish 
problems (my mom had a Lynx which was the Mercury and the finish was terrible).

For me a good car is a rugged, long lasting car. A GREAT car has to also be 
comfortable and fun to drive. My 190D has been a great car for me. Now that I'm 
doing more work on it myself it should be even better.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:48:35 -0500
From: "Allan Streib" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from an
    industryvendor's President.
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Message-ID: <1230569315.5868.1292170...@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"

The Domino's Pizza franchise I worked for had a mid-80's Escort and it
was a pretty durable car -- driven aggressively by many different
drivers and it held up well (much more so than the Subaru they also
had).

Allan
--
1983 300D


"Curt Raymond"  said:

> Like the Escort? Come now... I'll give you safe, reliable transportation
> but if thats your idea of a "great car" I'd hate to see what you
> considered a merely acceptable one.
> My grandmother has one, its perfect for her. I get in and the engine
> sounds like its out of a tractor...
> 
> -Curt


  
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[MBZ] Idle speed control w124 300D

2008-12-29 Thread Peter Merle

My 87 300D idle speed control stops working when under the hood temps get
high. Idle then runs up to around 1700 rpm . The voltage going to the idle
servo on the inj pump also then increases to 12V from the normal 2.5 - 3.5
V. Anyone got any idea what the cause of this is?
Peter
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Re: [MBZ] 300SD Accel Pedal/Part??


Yep, he loosed it.

--R

Wilton Strickland wrote:

--pedal came lose?  'Wonder if he found it yet?  ;<

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: "Rich Thomas" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SD Accel Pedal/Part??


  

No he did not loose the break petal, but the accel pedal came lose.

--R

Bill R wrote:


Is that break petal near the brake pedal? Most people break more stuff
  

with
  

the accelerator.
BillR, who also types faster than his internal spell checker.


-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
  

[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
  

On Behalf Of Kevin Kraly
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 7:25 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SD Accel Pedal/Part??

Good thing it's not the break petal, just a broken petal of another
  

kind.  I
  

had to get one for my 'SD last year.

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, ursula


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[MBZ] Used Parts for Sale! Take a look!

2008-12-29 Thread Christopher McCann

mported from Denmark. Wire it and it flashes a red light. NIB. QTY: 3
Craftsman 1/2" Impact Wrench$20.00  n/a Lightly used. 
Includes instruction manual.
VDO Voltmeter   $10.00  n/a VW/Audio OEM, 
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Re: [MBZ] namen

2008-12-29 Thread RELNGSON

> ...That designation was on the charts for that field probably 25 years
> ago.  Maybe the name didn't mean the same back then - I dunno
> 
Well, I do and it did.
>   
> ..Of course, 25 years ago was when CSOC had its beginnings, so, perhaps
> they had federales out there...
> 
I have no idea what CSOC means. But I have paid a fee for a Customs agent to 
drive from SeaTac Aitport down to Boeing Field to open their office on a 
Sunday.

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Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from anindustryvendor's President.

2008-12-29 Thread Peter Frederick

Would have been even better if they'd left the Euro suspension in it  
-- did the same thing with the Tempo way back when.  Nice car in  
Europe, junk here because they "redesigned" it for the US market.  No  
flush glass, s..t suspension, crappy interior.


What can you say about a company that cannot resist "junkifying" a  
perfectly good design to save a couple bucks at the expense of market  
share?


Peter

On Dec 29, 2008, at 2:08 PM, LWB250 wrote:

I had a 91 Escort wagon that I drove for almost 200k.  The only  
repair I ever had on it beyond regular maintenance was a leaky  
front strut that had to be replaced.


Good, cheap, reliable, basic transportation.  Not a thing wrong  
with it.


Dan

--- On Mon, 12/29/08, Tom Hargrave  wrote:


From: Tom Hargrave 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from  
anindustryvendor's President.

To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 1:40 PM
The escort was a great car for what
it was - it was a small, fuel efficient
econo-box. A lot of a few friends delivered pizzas for
Dominos in them and
most of the cars ran over 200,000 miles - some went over
300,000 miles. I
actually worked on quite a few of them.

Noisy? Yes
Handled like crap? Yes
Great delivery vehicle that would go 100 - 200 miles a
night delivering
pizzas? Yes

The same car would reliable carry Mom & the kids around
town or across the
country with no issues. That is, unless it was not properly
maintained - but
that's the owners fault.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924


-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 9:05 AM
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from
anindustryvendor's President.

Like the Escort? Come now... I'll give you safe, reliable
transportation but
if thats your idea of a "great car" I'd hate to see what
you considered a
merely acceptable one.
My grandmother has one, its perfect for her. I get in and
the engine sounds
like its out of a tractor...

-Curt

Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:19:13 -0600
From: "Tom Hargrave" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from
an
industryvendor's President.
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Message-ID:
<03fd01c9694b$14466070$3400a...@tomrmkj2yanjy9>
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I have real issues with letters like these, particularly
when they mis-state
facts.

For example, he compares:
The K car vs. the Accord?
The Pinto vs. the Civic?

The K car was early 80's and during the K-car release,
Honda was building
pieces of crap. They were so bad that some mechanics
refused to work on
them. The Accord, the good one that some seem to praise
became a good car in
the late 80s, but so did Chrysler products.

Comparing the Pinto to the Civic is even more outrageous.
The pinto was
early 70's technology - does anyone remember the 600cc air
cooled Honda that
was introduced here in 71 / 72 - the same era as the Pinto?
The car was so
unsafe that the US government forced Honda to pull them off
the market after
2 years. Oh, and the Civic that came later was the very
piece of crap that
mechanics refused to work on! And just like the Accord, the
Civic wasn't a
good car till the late 80's! Ford was also building great,
reliable cars by
then.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from an industry vendor's President.

Can't be true under the new Obama administration -- all will be 
sweetness and light, milk and honey, open and honest and transparent, 
and gosh darn it, people will like them!


--R

LWB250 wrote:

My brother works for a small midwestern bank that is very well capitalized due 
to its conservative lending and investment practices.  He related this to me 
when we were chatting over the holidays:

The government is "offering" TARP funds to all banks.  They were told that if they 
participated in the program that the bank examiners would be very "lenient" when 
reviewing their future lending and banking practices.  Of course, if they participate in TARP the 
Fed gets an ownership stake in the bank in the form of preferred stock, too.

He said it was quite a contentious issue for them, as they didn't want to 
participate, and didn't need to, but felt that if they didn't that there would 
be negative effects from bank examiners and ultimately the federal government.

So they signed on, albeit grudgingly.

--- On Mon, 12/29/08, Mountain Man  wrote:

  

From: Mountain Man 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from an industry vendor's 
President.
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 11:15 AM

-Inline Attachment Follows-

--R wrote:


he said he would not have given the banks
a penny of "bailout money".
  

I believe that that program is operating correctly and
successfully -
if I am to believe the news stories.






  


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Re: [MBZ] Broken Windshield

2008-12-29 Thread Peter Frederick


No gasket, they are all glued in W126 chassis and later.

Peter

On Dec 29, 2008, at 11:33 AM, Craig McCluskey wrote:


On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:29:27 -0700 "Robert Rentfro" 
wrote:


Took a big rock to the E320 windshield yesterday. Right in line of
sight, of course. Started cracking this morning. Drove over to the  
car
wash where the windshield guys lurk and I am set up to get it  
replaced

with the correct Mercedes windshield next Monday. Supposedly I'm all
hooked up with the shop that deals with Mercedes exclusively. I hope
this doesn't turn out to be a fiasco.


With Mercedes glass and Mercedes gasket, at least the parts would  
be good

quality.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from anindustryvendor's President.

2008-12-29 Thread LWB250

I had a 91 Escort wagon that I drove for almost 200k.  The only repair I ever 
had on it beyond regular maintenance was a leaky front strut that had to be 
replaced.

Good, cheap, reliable, basic transportation.  Not a thing wrong with it.

Dan

--- On Mon, 12/29/08, Tom Hargrave  wrote:

> From: Tom Hargrave 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from anindustryvendor's 
> President.
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 1:40 PM
> The escort was a great car for what
> it was - it was a small, fuel efficient
> econo-box. A lot of a few friends delivered pizzas for
> Dominos in them and
> most of the cars ran over 200,000 miles - some went over
> 300,000 miles. I
> actually worked on quite a few of them.
> 
> Noisy? Yes
> Handled like crap? Yes
> Great delivery vehicle that would go 100 - 200 miles a
> night delivering
> pizzas? Yes
> 
> The same car would reliable carry Mom & the kids around
> town or across the
> country with no issues. That is, unless it was not properly
> maintained - but
> that's the owners fault.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> 256-656-1924
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 9:05 AM
> To: Diesel List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from
> anindustryvendor's President.
> 
> Like the Escort? Come now... I'll give you safe, reliable
> transportation but
> if thats your idea of a "great car" I'd hate to see what
> you considered a
> merely acceptable one.
> My grandmother has one, its perfect for her. I get in and
> the engine sounds
> like its out of a tractor...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:19:13 -0600
> From: "Tom Hargrave" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from
> an
>     industryvendor's President.
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Message-ID:
> <03fd01c9694b$14466070$3400a...@tomrmkj2yanjy9>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="windows-1250"
> 
> I have real issues with letters like these, particularly
> when they mis-state
> facts.
> 
> For example, he compares:
> The K car vs. the Accord?
> The Pinto vs. the Civic?
> 
> The K car was early 80's and during the K-car release,
> Honda was building
> pieces of crap. They were so bad that some mechanics
> refused to work on
> them. The Accord, the good one that some seem to praise
> became a good car in
> the late 80s, but so did Chrysler products.
> 
> Comparing the Pinto to the Civic is even more outrageous.
> The pinto was
> early 70's technology - does anyone remember the 600cc air
> cooled Honda that
> was introduced here in 71 / 72 - the same era as the Pinto?
> The car was so
> unsafe that the US government forced Honda to pull them off
> the market after
> 2 years. Oh, and the Civic that came later was the very
> piece of crap that
> mechanics refused to work on! And just like the Accord, the
> Civic wasn't a
> good car till the late 80's! Ford was also building great,
> reliable cars by
> then.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> 256-656-1924
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from an industry vendor's President.

2008-12-29 Thread LWB250

My brother works for a small midwestern bank that is very well capitalized due 
to its conservative lending and investment practices.  He related this to me 
when we were chatting over the holidays:

The government is "offering" TARP funds to all banks.  They were told that if 
they participated in the program that the bank examiners would be very 
"lenient" when reviewing their future lending and banking practices.  Of 
course, if they participate in TARP the Fed gets an ownership stake in the bank 
in the form of preferred stock, too.

He said it was quite a contentious issue for them, as they didn't want to 
participate, and didn't need to, but felt that if they didn't that there would 
be negative effects from bank examiners and ultimately the federal government.

So they signed on, albeit grudgingly.

--- On Mon, 12/29/08, Mountain Man  wrote:

> From: Mountain Man 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from an industry 
> vendor's President.
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 11:15 AM
> 
> -Inline Attachment Follows-
> 
> --R wrote:
> > he said he would not have given the banks
> > a penny of "bailout money".
> 
> I believe that that program is operating correctly and
> successfully -
> if I am to believe the news stories.
> 

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Re: [MBZ] O.T. Hey Wonko...What's Not Eating Anything With LungsCalled?

These are good. You'd not believe you're not eating chicken. The Italian
Herb ones are especially tasty -- had one for lunch today (on a bun w/
melted cheese).

http://www.seeveggiesdifferently.com/products.aspx?coid=23|59&family=365|635

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 1:58 PM, Robert Rentfro  wrote:

> Thanks. Henceforth I am in the fold. Doc will be pleased.
>
> Bob R
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 12:33 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Hey Wonko...What's Not Eating Anything With
> LungsCalled?
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pescetarianism
>
> For lunch yesterday (Red Lobster) I had grilled salmon in a
> shrimp/butter/lemon sauce. Also had broccoli and a baked potato.
>
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Robert Rentfro  wrote:
>
> > What was that called? Sounds like something I may have to follow since
> > super-fly lesbian gut doctor is making my diet so restrictive.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] O.T. Hey Wonko...What's Not Eating Anything With LungsCalled?

Thanks. Henceforth I am in the fold. Doc will be pleased.

Bob R

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 12:33 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Hey Wonko...What's Not Eating Anything With
LungsCalled?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pescetarianism

For lunch yesterday (Red Lobster) I had grilled salmon in a
shrimp/butter/lemon sauce. Also had broccoli and a baked potato.

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Robert Rentfro  wrote:

> What was that called? Sounds like something I may have to follow since
> super-fly lesbian gut doctor is making my diet so restrictive.
>
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> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Next Benz For Lt. Don

LOTS of cars found themselves underwater in Iowa City during the floods this
summer. Wonder if this might be one of them?

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Rick Knoble wrote:

> Or maybe his bride, Deb.
>
> http://iowacity.craigslist.org/cto/972123686.html
>
> Seems like a good deal. Too bad Kaleb is on a buying freeze.
>
> Not Mine, No Affiliation, ect.
>
> Rick Knoble
> '87 190DT
> '85 300CD
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Re: [MBZ] O.T. Hey Wonko...What's Not Eating Anything With Lungs Called?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pescetarianism

For lunch yesterday (Red Lobster) I had grilled salmon in a
shrimp/butter/lemon sauce. Also had broccoli and a baked potato.

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Robert Rentfro  wrote:

> What was that called? Sounds like something I may have to follow since
> super-fly lesbian gut doctor is making my diet so restrictive.
>
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> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Broken Windshield

As a few have mentioned in the past, the car may have to be left for a
couple of days to allow things to set up properly.  Good luck, sounds like
you're doing the job the right way.

Ed
300E

2008/12/29 Robert Rentfro 

> Took a big rock to the E320 windshield yesterday. Right in line of sight,
> of
> course. Started cracking this morning. Drove over to the car wash where the
> windshield guys lurk and I am set up to get it replaced with the correct
> Mercedes windshield next Monday. Supposedly I'm all hooked up with the shop
> that deals with Mercedes exclusively. I hope this doesn't turn out to be a
> fiasco.
>
>
>
> Bob R.
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Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from anindustryvendor's President.

Much like my old Chevette, it went for years with next to no problems.
Crude, for sure.  Any more crude and it would have come in a box and you
would have had to assemble it yourself, but you sum it all up when you say,
"great car for what it was".

I still smile when I think back to pretty good quality replacement parts for
that car; new tires $29 each, and a brake rotor was $20.  :-)  The gas gauge
moved so slow, I often questioned if it was working.  My girlfriend at the
time preferred it to my Porsche, she though it was cuter. :-)

Ed
300E

2008/12/29 Tom Hargrave 

> The escort was a great car for what it was - it was a small, fuel efficient
> econo-box. A lot of a few friends delivered pizzas for Dominos in them and
> most of the cars ran over 200,000 miles - some went over 300,000 miles. I
> actually worked on quite a few of them.
>
> Noisy? Yes
> Handled like crap? Yes
> Great delivery vehicle that would go 100 - 200 miles a night delivering
> pizzas? Yes
>
> The same car would reliable carry Mom & the kids around town or across the
> country with no issues. That is, unless it was not properly maintained -
> but
> that's the owners fault.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> 256-656-1924
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 9:05 AM
> To: Diesel List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from
> anindustryvendor's President.
>
> Like the Escort? Come now... I'll give you safe, reliable transportation
> but
> if thats your idea of a "great car" I'd hate to see what you considered a
> merely acceptable one.
> My grandmother has one, its perfect for her. I get in and the engine sounds
> like its out of a tractor...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:19:13 -0600
> From: "Tom Hargrave" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from an
> industryvendor's President.
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Message-ID: <03fd01c9694b$14466070$3400a...@tomrmkj2yanjy9>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="windows-1250"
>
> I have real issues with letters like these, particularly when they
> mis-state
> facts.
>
> For example, he compares:
> The K car vs. the Accord?
> The Pinto vs. the Civic?
>
> The K car was early 80's and during the K-car release, Honda was building
> pieces of crap. They were so bad that some mechanics refused to work on
> them. The Accord, the good one that some seem to praise became a good car
> in
> the late 80s, but so did Chrysler products.
>
> Comparing the Pinto to the Civic is even more outrageous. The pinto was
> early 70's technology - does anyone remember the 600cc air cooled Honda
> that
> was introduced here in 71 / 72 - the same era as the Pinto? The car was so
> unsafe that the US government forced Honda to pull them off the market
> after
> 2 years. Oh, and the Civic that came later was the very piece of crap that
> mechanics refused to work on! And just like the Accord, the Civic wasn't a
> good car till the late 80's! Ford was also building great, reliable cars by
> then.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> www.kegkits.com
> 256-656-1924
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from anindustryvendor's President.

The escort was a great car for what it was - it was a small, fuel efficient
econo-box. A lot of a few friends delivered pizzas for Dominos in them and
most of the cars ran over 200,000 miles - some went over 300,000 miles. I
actually worked on quite a few of them.

Noisy? Yes
Handled like crap? Yes
Great delivery vehicle that would go 100 - 200 miles a night delivering
pizzas? Yes

The same car would reliable carry Mom & the kids around town or across the
country with no issues. That is, unless it was not properly maintained - but
that's the owners fault.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
 

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 9:05 AM
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from
anindustryvendor's President.

Like the Escort? Come now... I'll give you safe, reliable transportation but
if thats your idea of a "great car" I'd hate to see what you considered a
merely acceptable one.
My grandmother has one, its perfect for her. I get in and the engine sounds
like its out of a tractor...

-Curt

Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:19:13 -0600
From: "Tom Hargrave" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from an
    industryvendor's President.
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Message-ID: <03fd01c9694b$14466070$3400a...@tomrmkj2yanjy9>
Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="windows-1250"

I have real issues with letters like these, particularly when they mis-state
facts.

For example, he compares:
The K car vs. the Accord?
The Pinto vs. the Civic?

The K car was early 80's and during the K-car release, Honda was building
pieces of crap. They were so bad that some mechanics refused to work on
them. The Accord, the good one that some seem to praise became a good car in
the late 80s, but so did Chrysler products.

Comparing the Pinto to the Civic is even more outrageous. The pinto was
early 70's technology - does anyone remember the 600cc air cooled Honda that
was introduced here in 71 / 72 - the same era as the Pinto? The car was so
unsafe that the US government forced Honda to pull them off the market after
2 years. Oh, and the Civic that came later was the very piece of crap that
mechanics refused to work on! And just like the Accord, the Civic wasn't a
good car till the late 80's! Ford was also building great, reliable cars by
then.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924


  
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[MBZ] Opinions please - 92 E320

2008-12-29 Thread R A Bennell

A 92 E320 advertised locally here with low miles. Don't think price is cheap 
but it sounds nice in the ad. Might go
have a look.

What goes wrong with these???

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Broken Windshield

2008-12-29 Thread Craig McCluskey

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:29:27 -0700 "Robert Rentfro" 
wrote:

> Took a big rock to the E320 windshield yesterday. Right in line of
> sight, of course. Started cracking this morning. Drove over to the car
> wash where the windshield guys lurk and I am set up to get it replaced
> with the correct Mercedes windshield next Monday. Supposedly I'm all
> hooked up with the shop that deals with Mercedes exclusively. I hope
> this doesn't turn out to be a fiasco.

With Mercedes glass and Mercedes gasket, at least the parts would be good
quality.


Craig

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[MBZ] Broken Windshield

Took a big rock to the E320 windshield yesterday. Right in line of sight, of
course. Started cracking this morning. Drove over to the car wash where the
windshield guys lurk and I am set up to get it replaced with the correct
Mercedes windshield next Monday. Supposedly I'm all hooked up with the shop
that deals with Mercedes exclusively. I hope this doesn't turn out to be a
fiasco.

 

Bob R. 

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[MBZ] O.T. Hey Wonko...What's Not Eating Anything With Lungs Called?

What was that called? Sounds like something I may have to follow since
super-fly lesbian gut doctor is making my diet so restrictive.

 

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[MBZ] Next Benz For Lt. Don

2008-12-29 Thread Rick Knoble

Or maybe his bride, Deb.

http://iowacity.craigslist.org/cto/972123686.html

Seems like a good deal. Too bad Kaleb is on a buying freeze. 

Not Mine, No Affiliation, ect.

Rick Knoble
'87 190DT
'85 300CD

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Re: [MBZ] 300SD Accel Pedal/Part??

2008-12-29 Thread Wilton Strickland

--pedal came lose?  'Wonder if he found it yet?  ;<

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: "Rich Thomas" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SD Accel Pedal/Part??


> No he did not loose the break petal, but the accel pedal came lose.
>
> --R
>
> Bill R wrote:
> > Is that break petal near the brake pedal? Most people break more stuff
with
> > the accelerator.
> > BillR, who also types faster than his internal spell checker.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> > On Behalf Of Kevin Kraly
> > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 7:25 PM
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> >
> > Good thing it's not the break petal, just a broken petal of another
kind.  I
> >
> > had to get one for my 'SD last year.
> >
> > Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> > 1983 300SD 267Kmi, ursula
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from an industryvendor's President.

The Domino's Pizza franchise I worked for had a mid-80's Escort and it
was a pretty durable car -- driven aggressively by many different
drivers and it held up well (much more so than the Subaru they also
had).

Allan
--
1983 300D


"Curt Raymond"  said:

> Like the Escort? Come now... I'll give you safe, reliable transportation
> but if thats your idea of a "great car" I'd hate to see what you
> considered a merely acceptable one.
> My grandmother has one, its perfect for her. I get in and the engine
> sounds like its out of a tractor...
> 
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from an industry vendor's President.

GMAC became a "bank" the other day to get TARP money. American Express
became a "bank" to get TARP money. This is to offset all the defaulted
loans and credit cards they were so happy to give out to any and everyone.

I want to become a bank to get TARP money (just a billion or two, not much).

We are all being fleeced big time.

--R

Mountain Man wrote:

--R wrote:

he said he would not have given the banks
a penny of "bailout money".

I believe that that program is operating correctly and successfully -
if I am to believe the news stories.

Along with anyone here, we have heard for months that the money is
going to scoundrels who squandered their monies for years.

The line I heard in the news last week was that the TARP money is not
going to the wall street banks who are in the news and have squandered
monies of investors, but that the money is going to the local banks
that are thriving even in today's economy - that makes sense in a
capitalist monetary system, really. The money comes to them at lower
rates than they can loan it back out and they are cleaning up. These
are the local and regional rural and small suburban banks, I believe.

I know about as much about this money fiasco as I do about jabba's
Reliant - but the rationale sounded reasonable. I am not fully sure I
can accept what I heard, but if this news story is anywhere close to
true - I may have a renewed faith in the system of government that is
failing before my very eyes.

The rest of the Gregory J Knox letter is quite nicely written and
expresses things quite nicely. Then again, I believe all sorts of
lies every day from all the news media...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from an industry vendor's President.

--R wrote:
> he said he would not have given the banks
> a penny of "bailout money".

I believe that that program is operating correctly and successfully -
if I am to believe the news stories.

Along with anyone here, we have heard for months that the money is
going to scoundrels who squandered their monies for years.

The line I heard in the news last week was that the TARP money is not
going to the wall street banks who are in the news and have squandered
monies of investors, but that the money is going to the local banks
that are thriving even in today's economy - that makes sense in a
capitalist monetary system, really.  The money comes to them at lower
rates than they can loan it back out and they are cleaning up.  These
are the local and regional rural and small suburban banks, I believe.

I know about as much about this money fiasco as I do about jabba's
Reliant - but the rationale sounded reasonable.  I am not fully sure I
can accept what I heard, but if this news story is anywhere close to
true - I may have a renewed faith in the system of government that is
failing before my very eyes.

The rest of the Gregory J Knox letter is quite nicely written and
expresses things quite nicely.  Then again, I believe all sorts of
lies every day from all the news media...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] International

RLE wrote:
> An officially named airport in which the name includes "Internationa"l means
> Customs is available. Not that an agent is there, but that one will come there
> if called. For a fee.

That designation was on the charts for that field probably 25 years
ago.  Maybe the name didn't mean the same back then - I dunno.  Of
course, 25 years ago was when CSOC had its beginnings, so, perhaps
they had federales out there.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from an industryvendor's President.

2008-12-29 Thread Gary Hurst

s here between the proper role of parenting and
> > government.
> >
> > Detroit and the United States need to pay for their sins.
> >
> > Bad news people -- it's coming whether we like it or not
> >
> > The newly elected Messiah really doesn't have a magic wand big enough to
> > "make it all go away" I laughed as I heard Obama "reeling it back in"
> almost
> > immediately after the vote count was tallied..."we might not do it in a
> > year...or in four..." where was that kind of talk when he was RUNNING for
> > the office?
> >
> > Stop trying to put off the inevitable ...That house in Florida really
> isn't
> > worth $750,000...People who jump across a border really don't deserve
> free
> > health care benefits...That job driving that forklift for the big 3
> really
> > isn't worth $85,000 a year...We really shouldn't allow Wal-Mart to stock
> > their shelves with products acquired from a country that unfairly
> > manipulates their currency and has the most atrocious human rights
> > infractions on the face
> > of the globe...That couple whose combined income is less than $50,000
> really
> > shouldn't be living in that $485,000 home...Let the market correct itself
> > people -- it will. Yes it will be painful, but it's gonna be painful
> either
> > way, and the bright side of my proposal is that on the other side of it
> is
> a
> > nation that appreciates what is has...and doesn't live beyond its
> > means...and gets back to basics...and redevelops the work ethic that made
> it
> > the greatest nation in the history of the world...and probably turns back
> to
> > God.
> >
> > Sorry -- don't cut my head off, I'm just the messenger sharing with you
> the
> > "bad news"
> >
> > Gregory J Knox
> > President, Knox Machinery, Inc.
> > Franklin, Ohio 45005
> >
>
> --
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Re: [MBZ] OT, Computer died

I've had cases where some distributions would not load on some computers. The 
answer is to try another distro. Recently we had a laptop at work that wouldn't 
play with Mepis no matter what. Ubuntu worked just fine. IIRC he's currently 
using xbuntu which is a lightweight distro...

-Curt

Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:50:18 -0500
From: Mitch Haley 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT, Computer died
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Fmiser wrote:
> I would try verifying the ISO (MD5 or something like that),
> and/or burn another disk.
>   

Alltel throttled me on the download, so it took me six hours, and I'm 
not eager to do it again.
I had my burner set to verify the write, and it didn't show any errors.
There was a txt for a checksum on the mirror site, but I didn't know how 
to run the checksum on the iso.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from an industryvendor's President.

Like the Escort? Come now... I'll give you safe, reliable transportation but if 
thats your idea of a "great car" I'd hate to see what you considered a merely 
acceptable one.
My grandmother has one, its perfect for her. I get in and the engine sounds 
like its out of a tractor...

-Curt

Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:19:13 -0600
From: "Tom Hargrave" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT A letter from GM and a response from an
    industryvendor's President.
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
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I have real issues with letters like these, particularly when they mis-state
facts.

For example, he compares:
The K car vs. the Accord?
The Pinto vs. the Civic?

The K car was early 80's and during the K-car release, Honda was building
pieces of crap. They were so bad that some mechanics refused to work on
them. The Accord, the good one that some seem to praise became a good car in
the late 80s, but so did Chrysler products.

Comparing the Pinto to the Civic is even more outrageous. The pinto was
early 70's technology - does anyone remember the 600cc air cooled Honda that
was introduced here in 71 / 72 - the same era as the Pinto? The car was so
unsafe that the US government forced Honda to pull them off the market after
2 years. Oh, and the Civic that came later was the very piece of crap that
mechanics refused to work on! And just like the Accord, the Civic wasn't a
good car till the late 80's! Ford was also building great, reliable cars by
then.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Re: [MBZ] OT, Computer died

2008-12-29 Thread Mitch Haley


Mitch Haley wrote:

I downloaded a MD5 checksum program, the iso is fine.
I'll try burning another copy.


Works now, but I ran out of time to get it going, so I'm stuck with Vista for 
the next three days, then I'll play with Mepis and hopefully the XP install that 
a lister is sending me on New Year's Day.


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Re: [MBZ] 300SD Accel Pedal/Part??


No he did not loose the break petal, but the accel pedal came lose.

--R

Bill R wrote:

Is that break petal near the brake pedal? Most people break more stuff with
the accelerator. 
BillR, who also types faster than his internal spell checker.



-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Kevin Kraly
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 7:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SD Accel Pedal/Part??

Good thing it's not the break petal, just a broken petal of another kind.  I

had to get one for my 'SD last year.

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, ursula 



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Re: [MBZ] First Time Stranded...Ever