Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate small engines

2009-07-03 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Don't give up Curt-a $400 Honda is the same evil as cash for clunkers.
Dwight 

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.  
1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 
1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
Wickford, RI

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:26 PM
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate small engines

Oh man, about a 6hp diesel with a nice heavy flywheel would be awesome...

A carb soak is just what the doctor ordered. My friend that owns the
snowmobile shop used to have one, I need to head over and see if he's still
got it. Otherwise I'll take a can of carb cleaner and a small container and
dip just the tube, it sticks down from the carb a quarter inch or so.

The $400 Honda looms!

-Curt

Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:27:40 -0500
From: Loren Faeth lfa...@leadingchange.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: I hate small engines
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Go down to FLAPS and buy a can of carb cleaner.  I soaked the 60 
years of crud off the International H carb, and found OE factory 
paint underneath.  A word to the wise,  after you are done, store the 
carb cleaner in a glass jar or antifreeze jug.  It eats through the tin can.

But I agree, small engines are a pain.  something like a chinee 
Diesel would be a better choice, or a Putter diesel, if  you can find 
one.  But those are all horiz. shaft as far as I know.


  
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Re: [MBZ] Car for OK Don's kids

2009-07-03 Thread LarryT

You wrote  I had the 94 Diamante 

It sounds like you ar a big fan of the Diamate?  I have always liked the 
looked but know nothing about the mechanicals.  Does this use the V6 you 
speak so highly of?  Did the Diamante ever come with a V8?  As
much as I like the Diamante it would be hard to move me away from the late 
model W124 like we have.  Wish I could find another just like it.


Take care -
LarryT
91 300D

If 'universal health care' as
proposed by obama passes, it
will demand rationing of care -
Are you willing to wait 8 months
for chemotherapy?  Is your wife?
Your Mom or Dad?  Rationing
is the only way to reduce costs.


- Original Message - 
From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car for OK Don's kids



On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Kevin ke...@mordred.punk.net wrote:


My experience parallels Dan's.

On Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 04:47:42PM -0700, LWB250 wrote:

 Any Japanese car approaching 160k is going to need some work.  It's 
 been

my experience that while Hondas and Mazdas and Nissans are very reliable,
they all seem to hit the wall reliability-wise around 160k or 
thereabouts.


 Just my $0.02



There is a very real reason for this. Maintenance schedules. Almost 
everyone
sings the praises of Japanese engine building, and almost as many forget 
to

follow the very strict maintenance schedule of the manufacturer.

I bought a 94 Galant from a Mitsubishi dealer my wife worked for once upon 
a
time. The car had not been maintained at all. The kid who had received it 
as

a hand me down from the parents got it to 220K before the engine died. Had
it towed to the Dealer, and was told it would be about $1000 to fix. He
walked and left the title.  The $1000  maintenance?  They took it down
to the block, ordered a Rebuild Kit that is supposed to be installed 
every

150K or so, new gaskets, new timing belt, etc. Just all the maintenance
parts and put the engine back together. Boom, good as new.

Drove it for a couple years without a single further engine problem. Then
the neglected transmission blew and, well, I had the 94 Diamante by then.

The point is, I guess, following the recommended maintenance schedule will
help keep a car running whether Japanese or German or even American I 
guess,

unless you're GM and build things for planned obsolescence and then it
doesn't matter as much.

EdB

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Re: [MBZ] Car for OK Don's kids

2009-07-03 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Larry, If you ever find 2 300D 2.5's I'll take another one-I agree with you.
Do you still have your 240D?
Dwight 

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.  
1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 
1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
Wickford, RI

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of LarryT
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 7:37 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car for OK Don's kids

You wrote  I had the 94 Diamante 

It sounds like you ar a big fan of the Diamate?  I have always liked the 
looked but know nothing about the mechanicals.  Does this use the V6 you 
speak so highly of?  Did the Diamante ever come with a V8?  As
much as I like the Diamante it would be hard to move me away from the late 
model W124 like we have.  Wish I could find another just like it.

Take care -
LarryT
91 300D

If 'universal health care' as
proposed by obama passes, it
will demand rationing of care -
Are you willing to wait 8 months
for chemotherapy?  Is your wife?
Your Mom or Dad?  Rationing
is the only way to reduce costs.


- Original Message - 
From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car for OK Don's kids


 On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Kevin ke...@mordred.punk.net wrote:

 My experience parallels Dan's.

 On Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 04:47:42PM -0700, LWB250 wrote:
 
  Any Japanese car approaching 160k is going to need some work.  It's 
  been
 my experience that while Hondas and Mazdas and Nissans are very reliable,
 they all seem to hit the wall reliability-wise around 160k or 
 thereabouts.
 
  Just my $0.02


 There is a very real reason for this. Maintenance schedules. Almost 
 everyone
 sings the praises of Japanese engine building, and almost as many forget 
 to
 follow the very strict maintenance schedule of the manufacturer.

 I bought a 94 Galant from a Mitsubishi dealer my wife worked for once upon

 a
 time. The car had not been maintained at all. The kid who had received it 
 as
 a hand me down from the parents got it to 220K before the engine died. Had
 it towed to the Dealer, and was told it would be about $1000 to fix. He
 walked and left the title.  The $1000  maintenance?  They took it down
 to the block, ordered a Rebuild Kit that is supposed to be installed 
 every
 150K or so, new gaskets, new timing belt, etc. Just all the maintenance
 parts and put the engine back together. Boom, good as new.

 Drove it for a couple years without a single further engine problem. Then
 the neglected transmission blew and, well, I had the 94 Diamante by then.

 The point is, I guess, following the recommended maintenance schedule will
 help keep a car running whether Japanese or German or even American I 
 guess,
 unless you're GM and build things for planned obsolescence and then it
 doesn't matter as much.

 EdB

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Re: [MBZ] What could this be?

2009-07-03 Thread Tim C .
I saw this one earlier this week.  At least my guy is really interested in 
selling.

http://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/1247339874.html

-TC

-Original Message-
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 5:16 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] What could this be?

Besides a POS.

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1250559127.html

--R

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Re: [MBZ] What could this be?

2009-07-03 Thread Rich Thomas

I am waiting for the Repo Man kind of ad:  Car for Sale

--R

Tim C. wrote:

I saw this one earlier this week.  At least my guy is really interested in 
selling.

http://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/1247339874.html

-TC

-Original Message-
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 5:16 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] What could this be?

Besides a POS.

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1250559127.html

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts

2009-07-03 Thread Benz Hogs
I've spent some money on my SDL...
Rusty rebuilt trans $2100
Used 22 head $600
Radiator $360
Vacuum pump $320
Front brake calipers $91ea
Trunk seal $40

It also needs a front end rebuild 

Luther

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From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 8:11 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cash for Clunkers thoughts


 Tyler wrote: I really doubt that even paying a shop to
 maintain an 80s diesel Benz like an aircraft and keep it in perpetual
 new condition, would cost as much as the payments on the cheapest of new
 cars. 

The issue there is that you have to start out with a MBZ in new condition, 
because it costs a fortune to resurrect a neglected one from the dead.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] What could this be?

2009-07-03 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
A very cheap; 300D 2.5t? Actually I tink he has had this on  before-can't
recall what it is. 

Bissell Cove Quahog  Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Tim C.
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 8:10 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] What could this be?

I saw this one earlier this week.  At least my guy is really interested in
selling.

http://raleigh.craigslist.org/cto/1247339874.html

-TC




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Re: [MBZ] OT - cheap kids car

2009-07-03 Thread Benz Hogs
You have a what? 

-Original Message-
From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 8:30 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - cheap kids car

Well I got a really nice gold with brown 300E that is available soon, 
just have to finish up a couple of bits on the engine swap.  Or I 
probably have a 190D somewhere I could sell.

OK Don wrote:
 The kids need another car - at or under $3000, and if it's an MB, I'll have
 to maintain it.

 Which of teh GM, Frods, Japanese cars should be considered, or absolutely
 avoided?

 Kaleb - what's for sale now?

   

-- 
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 
 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 
 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 
http://www.okiebenz.com


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Re: [MBZ] W123 Sedan Seats

2009-07-03 Thread Michael Esh

Hi Rick,
I can pick them up in mid July.  Let me know if I am the chosen one.

Thanks,
Mike

On Jul 2, 2009, at 6:31 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:


From: Michael Esh michael...@me.com


What color are they.


Michael et. al. Seats are tan. They are in okay shape, NOT perfect.  
First come first serve is the fairest way, I suppose. Contact me off  
list.


Rick

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Re: [MBZ] What could this be?

2009-07-03 Thread Ed Booher
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 Besides a POS.

 http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1250559127.html

 --R


Someone posted this earlier, like a couple weeks ago. I remember the story
about father being only owner and the flat tire. I guess it isn't worth the
$1K since it's been sitting long enough to show up here twice.

EdB

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Re: [MBZ] OT - cheap kids car

2009-07-03 Thread Donald Snook
Mitch wrote: My twenty year old memories of 2.8L V6 aren't fond ones, is the 
3.1 that much
better?

the 3.1 M motor is very good.  It is an old design engine and thus the 
reliability has improved over years and years of using the engine.  The only 
problem I ever heard about the M motor was that the they had a oil leak. The 
engine is old enough that it used to come with a distributor.  When they got 
rid of the distributor they put a $2 seal in the top of the shaft.  They leak 
once you get 60-75,000 miles.  It is an easy repair.  Other than that, the 3.1 
M engine is great.  It was in TONS of gm crs through the 90's and even early 
2000's.


Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] Snookmobile update

2009-07-03 Thread Donald Snook
Kaleb wrote: so what are you going to do with the caddy?

Sell it! It really is a nice car - super clean, looks great.  I won't have 
trouble selling it.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] anyone in Chicagoor suburbs?

2009-07-03 Thread Donald Snook
MAO wrote: That would be the orange train downtown - easy from Midway. Then 
walk 3 blocks downtown to Union station and take the train to Elgin. Easy - 
fyi. Even easier, since I am picking you up.

You are right! That is easier! My wife wants to know if you are going to kill 
me?  She said, Why would some stranger drive 45-50 miles to pick you up and 
drive you to get a car. I told her, I may not have met him before, but he's 
not a stranger. He's a Mercedes driver and a member of the Okiebenz email 
group.   She doesn't understand the odd little group here.  Some of you may be 
saying that I can't be a Mercedes guy either, because I drive a Cadillac and am 
going to buy a Mercury Grand Marquis. But, I have had 6 MB's 3 of them diesels.


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Re: [MBZ] anyone in Chicagoor suburbs?

2009-07-03 Thread Mountain Man
Snook wrote:
 Some of you may be saying that I can't be a Mercedes guy either, because I 
 drive a Cadillac and am going to buy a Mercury Grand Marquis. But, I have had 
 6 MB's 3 of them diesels.


That is why I'm gonna kill you ;-)
You southerners... there is s little bad stuff goin' on in ChiTown
- nobody has any fear here.
Now, get into the wrong neighborhood at the wrong time of day...
different story - I don't do that.
But, any guy wandering downtown from an orange line stop to Union
downtown is clearly safe, and with some idjutt from just south of
where the car is - prolly even safer.  Gotta get some time in the seat
of my 240D - the clutch likes the exercise.  Your wife is correct,
however.  How would this have happened 18 years ago when we did not
have email mail lists, and online car deals to be seen?  It is a
strange occurance, but one that I have done numerous times in the last
10 years.  First meersaydess I flew to Manchester, NH and drove home.
2nd meersaydees I flew to Charlotte and drove home.  3rd meersaydees
my son took train to Phila and drove home in the dead of winter w/o
heater(thermostat stuck open), 4th meersaydees, son  II took train to
LA and drove home.  The first deal was an online marketplace that is
no longer, the others were from notices on email lists.  It is a
strange marketplace occurance, really.
Now, find out where that dealer is - don't look like no carlot... that
is the shady part of the deal, as there is a quarry filled in just
west, and an open quarry just south... now your woman should start
worryin'
mao

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[MBZ] OT: Mac Leopard on PC?

2009-07-03 Thread archer
Seems to be quite a few how to sites saying that Leopard can be installed 
on a PC.


http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=leopard+on+pcaq=foq=aqi=g10

Comment?
Thanks,
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[MBZ] OT: source for nylon netting

2009-07-03 Thread Allan Streib
I'm planning to build a batting (as in baseball) cage in my back yard.
There are various places that sell netting kits for this but very
expensive, $500 - $1000.  

I'd like to see whether something like surplus cargo net would work.
Has to be a small enough weave to stop a baseball.

Any ideas where I might find something like this?

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mac Leopard on PC?

2009-07-03 Thread Peter Frederick
There have been several ports of OSX Intel flavor to various PCs, but  
they usually only work on that single model and are often flaky.


Apple doesn't support anything but their own architecture, so one  
must write all the code to access anything else.


Be nice, though, eh?  MUCH faster and more stable than XP or Vista.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] NOS parts motherlode

2009-07-03 Thread Allan Streib
Chris, let me know about the W123 fenders.  I might be interested in a
left and a right for my 300D.

Allan
--
1983 300D

Russ Williams rawil...@eatel.net writes:

 Hi Chris,

 I'm looking for a Manual Tranny for my 83 240D.
 Got one laying the shop??

 Russ W.

 Christopher McCann wrote:
 SO, I'm friends with the owner of the local Indy shop. He just moved
 from one part of KC to another, after 26 years in the same
 location. He asked me if I'd like to help him sell his old
 stock. SURE! 

 So I started putting some stuff up on Ebay this weekend. If you're 
 interested, here is the auction number of one item: 200357443812
 from there, you can click to see my other auctions. 

 There are THOUSANDS of parts to sell, so if you're looking for something, 
 let me know (part number is nice, but I'll try to find it for you if you 
 don't know). I'll let you know if I have the part. I am free to set the 
 price, as long as it's reasonable. The owner wants the parts OUT of the 
 warehouse, so I can pretty much beat any other price.

 Some rare things in there (tail lights for 600 limo) to brand new 123 
 fenders. Most stuff is genuine MB, but some is aftermarket.

 Chris

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Re: [MBZ] OT: source for nylon netting

2009-07-03 Thread Mitch Haley

Allan Streib wrote:


I'd like to see whether something like surplus cargo net would work.
Has to be a small enough weave to stop a baseball.


I'm not sure what nylon or poly netting options are out there, but steel poultry 
fence is pretty cheap.


Mitch.

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[MBZ] front brake rotors keep glazing over

2009-07-03 Thread michael lendzian
Hi! my 300td wagon a '83 model has a problem with the front brake rotors
that keep glazing over.

Can i buy and install custom rotors for this car which might fix this
problem?

Or what else should I be doing?

Thanks, Michael
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Re: [MBZ] front brake rotors keep glazing over

2009-07-03 Thread Gary Hurst
what pads you using?  how many miles is it taking to glaze?

could indicate a problem with the brake system somewhere, like calipers of
master cylinder

could also be you drive it like a race car.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 1:42 PM, michael lendzian bigmik...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi! my 300td wagon a '83 model has a problem with the front brake rotors
 that keep glazing over.

 Can i buy and install custom rotors for this car which might fix this
 problem?

 Or what else should I be doing?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mac Leopard on PC?

2009-07-03 Thread Gary Hurst
it's a lot bigger project than you would think to get it to work and then it
still doesn't work right.  the only reason to do this is if you just like
the project and not to save money as minis are so cheap (399 for last
generation and 499 for this generation at microcenter.)  the mini comes
ready to use with ilife.  the only software i bought for it was the
unlocking of the higher functions of quicktime for 30 bucks.  it's a real
bargain overall.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 12:33 PM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:

 Seems to be quite a few how to sites saying that Leopard can be installed
 on a PC.

 http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=leopard+on+pcaq=foq=aqi=g10

 Comment?
 Thanks,
 Gerry---Looking for a cheaper way to try Mac since SIL isn't interested.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: source for nylon netting

2009-07-03 Thread R A Bennell
Garden supply places sell netting to keep birds off and also as a sort of 
trellis to let climbing vines grow on.

Randy

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Allan Streib
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 10:56 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] OT: source for nylon netting


I'm planning to build a batting (as in baseball) cage in my back yard.
There are various places that sell netting kits for this but very
expensive, $500 - $1000.  

I'd like to see whether something like surplus cargo net would work.
Has to be a small enough weave to stop a baseball.

Any ideas where I might find something like this?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] front brake rotors keep glazing over

2009-07-03 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 13:42:43 -0400 michael lendzian bigmik...@gmail.com
wrote:

  Hi! my 300td wagon a '83 model has a problem with the front brake
  rotors that keep glazing over.
 
  Can i buy and install custom rotors for this car which might fix this
  problem?

The standard Mercedes rotors have worked well for many people for many
miles.


  Or what else should I be doing?

Using good pads and looking for problems elsewhere.


On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:22:43 -0400 Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
wrote:

 what pads you using?  how many miles is it taking to glaze?

What's glazing, the disk or the pads?


 could indicate a problem with the brake system somewhere, like calipers
 of master cylinder

Or even the flexible hoses between the body and the calipers. One failure
mode is to act like a valve and not let the pressure in the caliper drop
like it's supposed to, thus keeping the brake dragging. Things will get
quite hot that way.


 could also be you drive it like a race car.

I recall some promotional literature Mercedes put out in the late '80s. It
had a picture of an MB that had just finished a race course. The car's
brake disks were glowing orange.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Location of torque converter drain

2009-07-03 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Rich
Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
 You can also use a biggish screwdriver to sorta pry and rotate on the TC
 through the hole to get it round to where the plug is.  Takes awhile but you
 see it when it comes by.


Don't you then run the risk of turning the engine backwards if you get
confused trying to figure out
lefty-loosy-righty-tighty from underneath the car?  At least it's easy
to remember that with the 27mm-socket-on-the-crank-pulley method you
always go CW.  (Or is it CCW?)

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Car for OK Don's kids

2009-07-03 Thread LarryT
re the 240D  -  Yeah, sort of - my oldest son has taken custody of it.  It 
needed to be driven more than I was driving it - they love to be driven as 
you know.  Now he's in love with it!


about the 300D 2.5s -- Oh yeah, love those W124s!  Actually my faith was 
tested yesterday - CL has a 99 300D TDI for $8500 locally (Richmond Va) . 
But, I'd have to take out a loan and I don't really want to do so,  but in 
any case I love the W124 and wouldn't part with it.  Also can't justify 
another car.  (like Snook-er)  ;-)


   I got really lucky wiith my W124 - it had been driven ~7000 miles per 
year - lots of low speed stuff - I had to spend almost a year to get rid of 
all of the carbon - plus my wife put 100+ mi perday @ 70mph   Now its like a 
*brand new caron it for more than a year - that really cleaned it out.   I 
may need to touch up the paint one day - the clear coat has damage - but 
that's for later.


Take care -

Larry
78 240D
91 300D
74 911


If 'universal health care' as
proposed by obama passes, it
will demand rationing of care -
Are you willing to wait 8 months
for chemotherapy?  Is your wife?
Your Mom or Dad?  Rationing
is the only way to reduce costs.


- Original Message - 
From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.net

To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car for OK Don's kids


Larry, If you ever find 2 300D 2.5's I'll take another one-I agree with 
you.

Do you still have your 240D?
Dwight

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.
1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD).
1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
Wickford, RI

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of LarryT
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 7:37 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car for OK Don's kids

You wrote  I had the 94 Diamante 

It sounds like you ar a big fan of the Diamate?  I have always liked the
looked but know nothing about the mechanicals.  Does this use the V6 you
speak so highly of?  Did the Diamante ever come with a V8?  As
much as I like the Diamante it would be hard to move me away from the late
model W124 like we have.  Wish I could find another just like it.

Take care -
LarryT
91 300D

If 'universal health care' as
proposed by obama passes, it
will demand rationing of care -
Are you willing to wait 8 months
for chemotherapy?  Is your wife?
Your Mom or Dad?  Rationing
is the only way to reduce costs.


- Original Message - 
From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car for OK Don's kids



On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Kevin ke...@mordred.punk.net wrote:


My experience parallels Dan's.

On Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 04:47:42PM -0700, LWB250 wrote:

 Any Japanese car approaching 160k is going to need some work.  It's
 been
my experience that while Hondas and Mazdas and Nissans are very 
reliable,

they all seem to hit the wall reliability-wise around 160k or
thereabouts.

 Just my $0.02



There is a very real reason for this. Maintenance schedules. Almost
everyone
sings the praises of Japanese engine building, and almost as many forget
to
follow the very strict maintenance schedule of the manufacturer.

I bought a 94 Galant from a Mitsubishi dealer my wife worked for once 
upon



a
time. The car had not been maintained at all. The kid who had received it
as
a hand me down from the parents got it to 220K before the engine died. 
Had

it towed to the Dealer, and was told it would be about $1000 to fix. He
walked and left the title.  The $1000  maintenance?  They took it 
down

to the block, ordered a Rebuild Kit that is supposed to be installed
every
150K or so, new gaskets, new timing belt, etc. Just all the maintenance
parts and put the engine back together. Boom, good as new.

Drove it for a couple years without a single further engine problem. Then
the neglected transmission blew and, well, I had the 94 Diamante by then.

The point is, I guess, following the recommended maintenance schedule 
will

help keep a car running whether Japanese or German or even American I
guess,
unless you're GM and build things for planned obsolescence and then it
doesn't matter as much.

EdB

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Re: [MBZ] Car for OK Don's kids

2009-07-03 Thread OK Don
YES you can - you need another one for those rare times when you have to
work on one. Don't want to be without one to drive! That's why I have two -
I drive them every other week ona rotation.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:34 PM, LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:


 about the 300D 2.5s -- Oh yeah, love those W124s!  Actually my faith was
 tested yesterday - CL has a 99 300D TDI for $8500 locally (Richmond Va) .
 But, I'd have to take out a loan and I don't really want to do so,  but in
 any case I love the W124 and wouldn't part with it.  Also can't justify
 another car.  (like Snook-er)  ;-)



 --
 OK Don
 Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos


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Re: [MBZ] Car for OK Don's kids

2009-07-03 Thread WILTON
Richmond 300 TDI - 175.5 kmi; silver/black; nope; no black upholstery for me 
in NC; my maroon is dark enough.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car for OK Don's kids


re the 240D  -  Yeah, sort of - my oldest son has taken custody of it.  It 
needed to be driven more than I was driving it - they love to be driven as 
you know.  Now he's in love with it!


about the 300D 2.5s -- Oh yeah, love those W124s!  Actually my faith was 
tested yesterday - CL has a 99 300D TDI for $8500 locally (Richmond Va) . 
But, I'd have to take out a loan and I don't really want to do so,  but in 
any case I love the W124 and wouldn't part with it.  Also can't justify 
another car.  (like Snook-er)  ;-)


   I got really lucky wiith my W124 - it had been driven ~7000 miles per 
year - lots of low speed stuff - I had to spend almost a year to get rid 
of all of the carbon - plus my wife put 100+ mi perday @ 70mph   Now its 
like a *brand new caron it for more than a year - that really cleaned it 
out.   I may need to touch up the paint one day - the clear coat has 
damage - but that's for later.


Take care -

Larry
78 240D
91 300D
74 911


If 'universal health care' as
proposed by obama passes, it
will demand rationing of care -
Are you willing to wait 8 months
for chemotherapy?  Is your wife?
Your Mom or Dad?  Rationing
is the only way to reduce costs.


- Original Message - 
From: Dwight E. Giles, Jr degco...@cox.net

To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car for OK Don's kids


Larry, If you ever find 2 300D 2.5's I'll take another one-I agree with 
you.

Do you still have your 240D?
Dwight

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.
1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD).
1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
Wickford, RI

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com 
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]

On Behalf Of LarryT
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 7:37 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car for OK Don's kids

You wrote  I had the 94 Diamante 

It sounds like you ar a big fan of the Diamate?  I have always liked the
looked but know nothing about the mechanicals.  Does this use the V6 you
speak so highly of?  Did the Diamante ever come with a V8?  As
much as I like the Diamante it would be hard to move me away from the 
late

model W124 like we have.  Wish I could find another just like it.

Take care -
LarryT
91 300D

If 'universal health care' as
proposed by obama passes, it
will demand rationing of care -
Are you willing to wait 8 months
for chemotherapy?  Is your wife?
Your Mom or Dad?  Rationing
is the only way to reduce costs.


- Original Message - 
From: Ed Booher edboo...@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car for OK Don's kids



On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Kevin ke...@mordred.punk.net wrote:


My experience parallels Dan's.

On Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 04:47:42PM -0700, LWB250 wrote:

 Any Japanese car approaching 160k is going to need some work.  It's
 been
my experience that while Hondas and Mazdas and Nissans are very 
reliable,

they all seem to hit the wall reliability-wise around 160k or
thereabouts.

 Just my $0.02



There is a very real reason for this. Maintenance schedules. Almost
everyone
sings the praises of Japanese engine building, and almost as many forget
to
follow the very strict maintenance schedule of the manufacturer.

I bought a 94 Galant from a Mitsubishi dealer my wife worked for once 
upon



a
time. The car had not been maintained at all. The kid who had received 
it

as
a hand me down from the parents got it to 220K before the engine died. 
Had

it towed to the Dealer, and was told it would be about $1000 to fix. He
walked and left the title.  The $1000  maintenance?  They took it 
down

to the block, ordered a Rebuild Kit that is supposed to be installed
every
150K or so, new gaskets, new timing belt, etc. Just all the maintenance
parts and put the engine back together. Boom, good as new.

Drove it for a couple years without a single further engine problem. 
Then
the neglected transmission blew and, well, I had the 94 Diamante by 
then.


The point is, I guess, following the recommended maintenance schedule 
will

help keep a car running whether Japanese or German or even American I
guess,
unless you're GM and build things for planned obsolescence and then it
doesn't matter as much.

EdB

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Re: [MBZ] OT: source for nylon netting

2009-07-03 Thread Benz Hogs
I could hit a ball through poultry fencing, and it would cut the cover of the 
balls.

Luther

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Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 1:39 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: source for nylon netting

Allan Streib wrote:

 I'd like to see whether something like surplus cargo net would work.
 Has to be a small enough weave to stop a baseball.

I'm not sure what nylon or poly netting options are out there, but steel 
poultry 
fence is pretty cheap.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Location of torque converter drain

2009-07-03 Thread Rich Thomas
I don't recall that it turns the engine when you just turn the TC.  The 
TC turns very easily.


--R

Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Rich
Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:
  

You can also use a biggish screwdriver to sorta pry and rotate on the TC
through the hole to get it round to where the plug is.  Takes awhile but you
see it when it comes by.




Don't you then run the risk of turning the engine backwards if you get
confused trying to figure out
lefty-loosy-righty-tighty from underneath the car?  At least it's easy
to remember that with the 27mm-socket-on-the-crank-pulley method you
always go CW.  (Or is it CCW?)

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Location of torque converter drain

2009-07-03 Thread OK Don
The outside is bolted to the flex plate, with is bolted to the crank - the
starter gear is also on the TC - yes, it will turn the engine, and vice
versa.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 I don't recall that it turns the engine when you just turn the TC.  The TC
 turns very easily.

 --R

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Re: [MBZ] Car for OK Don's kids

2009-07-03 Thread LarryT
 or so, new gaskets, new timing belt, etc. Just all the maintenance
parts and put the engine back together. Boom, good as new.

Drove it for a couple years without a single further engine problem. 
Then
the neglected transmission blew and, well, I had the 94 Diamante by 
then.


The point is, I guess, following the recommended maintenance schedule 
will

help keep a car running whether Japanese or German or even American I
guess,
unless you're GM and build things for planned obsolescence and then it
doesn't matter as much.

EdB

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Re: [MBZ] Car for OK Don's kids

2009-07-03 Thread WILTON
 or
thereabouts.

 Just my $0.02



There is a very real reason for this. Maintenance schedules. Almost
everyone
sings the praises of Japanese engine building, and almost as many 
forget

to
follow the very strict maintenance schedule of the manufacturer.

I bought a 94 Galant from a Mitsubishi dealer my wife worked for once 
upon



a
time. The car had not been maintained at all. The kid who had received 
it

as
a hand me down from the parents got it to 220K before the engine died. 
Had
it towed to the Dealer, and was told it would be about $1000 to fix. 
He
walked and left the title.  The $1000  maintenance?  They took it 
down

to the block, ordered a Rebuild Kit that is supposed to be installed
every
150K or so, new gaskets, new timing belt, etc. Just all the 
maintenance

parts and put the engine back together. Boom, good as new.

Drove it for a couple years without a single further engine problem. 
Then
the neglected transmission blew and, well, I had the 94 Diamante by 
then.


The point is, I guess, following the recommended maintenance schedule 
will

help keep a car running whether Japanese or German or even American I
guess,
unless you're GM and build things for planned obsolescence and then it
doesn't matter as much.

EdB

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Re: [MBZ] Car for OK Don's kids

2009-07-03 Thread Mountain Man
WILTON wrote:
 BTW, I grew up during a time when silver and grey cars faded very fast,
 so, call it a bias or whatever, I just don't like silver on a car, but car
 mfgrs seem to have gone crazy as Hell over 'em.

I have been sensitive to that overwhelming number of color on cars
also - and, I don't like it in the least.  Why do they do this?
mao

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[MBZ] MB US Models Chart

2009-07-03 Thread OK Don
I found a chart listing US models back to 1946 -- FYI. It lists the chassis
number, model number, years produced, and engine number.

http://www.peachparts.com/diy/usmodels/usmodels.htm
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Re: [MBZ] MB US Models Chart

2009-07-03 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
Thanks Don, this is a great find. I use Nitske but that book stops in 1995.
Dwight 

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K miles.  
1979 240D- auto -250K + miles. (SOLD). 
1990 300D 2.5t 160K miles.
Wickford, RI

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Subject: [MBZ] MB US Models Chart

I found a chart listing US models back to 1946 -- FYI. It lists the chassis
number, model number, years produced, and engine number.

http://www.peachparts.com/diy/usmodels/usmodels.htm
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Re: [MBZ] Car for OK Don's kids

2009-07-03 Thread WILTON
I also remember a time when fly-nighters (scammers) came through the 
countryside painting roofs; they'd mix silver paint with kerosene or very 
cheap thinner, paint a roof with it, take the already-poor home owner 
and be gone before the homeowner knew he'd been had by the sorry SOB.  The 
silver paint might stay on the roof as much as six months if the homeowner 
were lucky.  Yeah, yeah, I know, today's auto paint, even silver, lasts a 
little longer, but I still can't forget those quickie silver roof paint 
jobs - I see 'em every time I see a silver car.


Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car for OK Don's kids



WILTON wrote:

BTW, I grew up during a time when silver and grey cars faded very fast,
so, call it a bias or whatever, I just don't like silver on a car, but 
car

mfgrs seem to have gone crazy as Hell over 'em.


I have been sensitive to that overwhelming number of color on cars
also - and, I don't like it in the least.  Why do they do this?
mao

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[MBZ] i bought this little nikon pocket camera for like 50 bucks 2 years ago

2009-07-03 Thread Gary Hurst
i never really messed much with it.  wanted to see what it could do without
any sort of real effort on my part

http://image74.webshots.com/174/0/66/7/2257066070089947248MRzkJW_fs.jpg


i find that really impressive for a bottom end camera.  you?
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Re: [MBZ] Car for OK Don's kids

2009-07-03 Thread WILTON

Oh!  That's fly-BY-nighters.

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car for OK Don's kids


I also remember a time when fly-nighters (scammers) came through the 
countryside painting roofs; they'd mix silver paint with kerosene or very 
cheap thinner, paint a roof with it, take the already-poor home owner 
and be gone before the homeowner knew he'd been had by the sorry SOB. 
The silver paint might stay on the roof as much as six months if the 
homeowner were lucky.  Yeah, yeah, I know, today's auto paint, even silver, 
lasts a little longer, but I still can't forget those quickie silver roof 
paint jobs - I see 'em every time I see a silver car.


Wilton

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From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Car for OK Don's kids



WILTON wrote:

BTW, I grew up during a time when silver and grey cars faded very fast,
so, call it a bias or whatever, I just don't like silver on a car, but 
car

mfgrs seem to have gone crazy as Hell over 'em.


I have been sensitive to that overwhelming number of color on cars
also - and, I don't like it in the least.  Why do they do this?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] i bought this little nikon pocket camera for like 50 bucks 2 years ago

2009-07-03 Thread OK Don
Impressive.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 i never really messed much with it.  wanted to see what it could do without
 any sort of real effort on my part

 http://image74.webshots.com/174/0/66/7/2257066070089947248MRzkJW_fs.jpg


 i find that really impressive for a bottom end camera.  you?

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Re: [MBZ] front brake rotors keep glazing over

2009-07-03 Thread Douglas

I would looking into a softer brake pad to reduce heat and wear on disc.

Douglas

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Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 10:42 AM
Subject: [MBZ] front brake rotors keep glazing over



Hi! my 300td wagon a '83 model has a problem with the front brake rotors
that keep glazing over.

Can i buy and install custom rotors for this car which might fix this
problem?

Or what else should I be doing?

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Re: [MBZ] i bought this little nikon pocket camera for like 50 bucks 2 years ago

2009-07-03 Thread Allan Streib
Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com writes:

 i never really messed much with it.  wanted to see what it could do without
 any sort of real effort on my part

 http://image74.webshots.com/174/0/66/7/2257066070089947248MRzkJW_fs.jpg


 i find that really impressive for a bottom end camera.  you?

Well I wouldn't call any Nikon a bottom end camera.  You can certainly
do much worse.  That said, I think even moderately priced digital
cameras of today produce far better images than their similarly-priced
35mm equivalents did a decade ago.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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[MBZ] Subject: OT: source for nylon netting

2009-07-03 Thread RDeafBoy
Nylon Panyhose..Go to an all girls college  [ NOT Bryn  Mawr 
College.Pa. since lesbians don't wear them]  gather up all the  discarded ones 
  
..Sew 'em together  VIOLA !!Probably  ricochet baseballs  for a while .
 
Did you hear about the  guy who went into a bar and noticed  a lady 
sitting at he other  end ? 
 Guy:Give me a drink and give that lady down there 
one on me  .
Bartender:   I don't think you want to . 
 Guy: ' Just do it.
Bartender  delivered the drink to her and she thanked him. After 
eyeballing each other  during their drinking he says to the  bartender: 
 Guy:  Give us a second round please.
 Bartender  whispering:  Don't waste your time and 
money 'cause she's  lesbian.
 Guy:Just do it.  
  With that he  gathers his drink and ambles on down to the lady 
and says-
  So  what part of Lesbia  are you from ?? 
 
  
 Bob 1983 240D   183K
**It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place 
where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew0008)
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Re: [MBZ] front brake rotors keep glazing over

2009-07-03 Thread kaleb
maybe you have a caliper that is dragging?

 Hi! my 300td wagon a '83 model has a problem with the front brake rotors
 that keep glazing over.

 Can i buy and install custom rotors for this car which might fix this
 problem?

 Or what else should I be doing?

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Re: [MBZ] i bought this little nikon pocket camera for like 50 bucks 2 years ago

2009-07-03 Thread Mountain Man
Allan wrote:
 That said, I think even moderately priced digital
 cameras of today produce far better images than their similarly-priced
 35mm equivalents did a decade ago.

Ah, the argument ensues.
Digital versus analog - for photography, for musak, for anything...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: OT: source for nylon netting

2009-07-03 Thread Mountain Man
DeafBoy wrote:
  So  what part of Lesbia  are you from ??

I'll bet I should try the veal?
mao

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[MBZ] Fluke 83V

2009-07-03 Thread archer

To: Jim Cathey and others who recommended the Fluke 83V:
Want to thank you guys.  Just received a new one off Ebay and it's great. 
I'm really going to enjoy it.
Gerry 



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[MBZ] OT: Mac Mini

2009-07-03 Thread archer
Thanks, guys.  Looked on Ebay and found a long list of minis for sale; some 
seemed quit old and low priced.  The only things I want to do on the Mini is 
streaming video, pictures, audio, email, and internet search.  Knowing which 
minimum specifications of a Mini I would need to do those things would allow 
me to bid on the cheapest Mini.

All help greatly appreciated.
Gerry
---
There have been several ports of OSX Intel flavor to various PCs, but
they usually only work on that single model and are often flaky.
Apple doesn't support anything but their own architecture, so one
must write all the code to access anything else.
Be nice, though, eh?  MUCH faster and more stable than XP or Vista.
Peter
---
From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
it's a lot bigger project than you would think to get it to work and then 
it

still doesn't work right.  the only reason to do this is if you just like
the project and not to save money as minis are so cheap (399 for last
generation and 499 for this generation at microcenter.)  the mini comes
ready to use with ilife.  the only software i bought for it was the
unlocking of the higher functions of quicktime for 30 bucks.  it's a real
bargain overall.
-- 
Seems to be quite a few how to sites saying that Leopard can be 
installed on a PC.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=leopard+on+pcaq=foq=aqi=g10
Comment?
Thanks,
Gerry---Looking for a cheaper way to try Mac since SIL isn't interested.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mac Mini

2009-07-03 Thread Gary Hurst
any mini will do that.  i'm still inclined towards going with the intel chip
though.  how much are g4 minis going for now anyway?

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:36 PM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:

 Thanks, guys.  Looked on Ebay and found a long list of minis for sale; some
 seemed quit old and low priced.  The only things I want to do on the Mini is
 streaming video, pictures, audio, email, and internet search.  Knowing which
 minimum specifications of a Mini I would need to do those things would allow
 me to bid on the cheapest Mini.
 All help greatly appreciated.
 Gerry
 ---
 There have been several ports of OSX Intel flavor to various PCs, but
 they usually only work on that single model and are often flaky.
 Apple doesn't support anything but their own architecture, so one
 must write all the code to access anything else.
 Be nice, though, eh?  MUCH faster and more stable than XP or Vista.
 Peter
 ---
 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com

 it's a lot bigger project than you would think to get it to work and then
 it
 still doesn't work right.  the only reason to do this is if you just like
 the project and not to save money as minis are so cheap (399 for last
 generation and 499 for this generation at microcenter.)  the mini comes
 ready to use with ilife.  the only software i bought for it was the
 unlocking of the higher functions of quicktime for 30 bucks.  it's a real
 bargain overall.

 --

 Seems to be quite a few how to sites saying that Leopard can be
 installed on a PC.
 http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=leopard+on+pcaq=foq=aqi=g10
 Comment?
 Thanks,
 Gerry---Looking for a cheaper way to try Mac since SIL isn't interested.



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[MBZ] attn: andrew strasfogel

2009-07-03 Thread Christopher McCann

 also, I have a nice euro 123 headlight set and a uk 123
 headlight set. I can send pics if you are interested.

cylinder head - ugh, threw one out a few months ago. I thought, no one is  
ever going to need this - darn. will check on the
 other stuff next week. 

thinking - will one work of a 300SD? I can pull one
at the pick n pull, probably tomorrow - next weekend for sure.

Let me know.

Chris


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Re: [MBZ] i bought this little nikon pocket camera for like 50 bucks 2 years ago

2009-07-03 Thread Allan Streib
Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes:

 Allan wrote:
 That said, I think even moderately priced digital
 cameras of today produce far better images than their similarly-priced
 35mm equivalents did a decade ago.

 Ah, the argument ensues.
 Digital versus analog - for photography, for musak, for anything...

Just to clarify, I'm talking about snapshot photography, nothing high
end.  For that, IMO digital is the way to go.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] i bought this little nikon pocket camera for like 50 bucks 2 years ago

2009-07-03 Thread Gary Hurst
i always have a bit of a soft spot for film, but if you want to work fast
and cheap, digital is the only way to go.  your $50 camera replaces both the
old instamatic and the 8mm movie camera and fits in your pocket.  i'm using
4 gig flash cards now.  that's over 30 minutes of 640x480 video several
thousand photos at the 5MP setting.  get a mess of lithium AAs and get
going.  when the cheap chinese piece of shit breaks in a year or two, the
newer $50 cheap chinese piece of shit will be so much better, you won't
mind.

there is a lot to be said for shooting 4x5 and developing it in your own
darkroom.  but there is also a lot to be said for what the $50 pocket camera
can do for you as well.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes:

  Allan wrote:
  That said, I think even moderately priced digital
  cameras of today produce far better images than their similarly-priced
  35mm equivalents did a decade ago.
 
  Ah, the argument ensues.
  Digital versus analog - for photography, for musak, for anything...

 Just to clarify, I'm talking about snapshot photography, nothing high
 end.  For that, IMO digital is the way to go.

 Allan
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Re: [MBZ] i bought this little nikon pocket camera for like 50 bucks 2 years ago

2009-07-03 Thread Mountain Man
jabba wrote:
 your $50 camera replaces both the
 old instamatic

Instamatic is not even close nor near the ballpark - kompleetly different arena.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] i bought this little nikon pocket camera for like 50 bucks 2 years ago

2009-07-03 Thread Mountain Man
jabba wrote:
 but there is also a lot to be said for what the $50 pocket camera
 can do for you as well.

I did film for yearbook 35 years ago.
I did film when we had young kids.
Today - I really could care less to have pictures - of anything, so
the cheep china stuff is still lost on me.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] i bought this little nikon pocket camera for like 50 bucks 2 years ago

2009-07-03 Thread Gary Hurst
it functionally replaces instamatic in your life.  the statement is neutral
on the argument of whether it is better (which it surely is) or worse than
instamatic or 8mm film movie cameras.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:

 jabba wrote:
  your $50 camera replaces both the
  old instamatic

 Instamatic is not even close nor near the ballpark - kompleetly different
 arena.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: source for nylon netting

2009-07-03 Thread Barry Stark
Allan -
Check out McMaster-Carr and search for netting.

Barry




I'm planning to build a batting (as in baseball) cage in my back yard.
There are various places that sell netting kits for this but very
expensive, $500 - $1000.  

I'd like to see whether something like surplus cargo net would work.
Has to be a small enough weave to stop a baseball.

Any ideas where I might find something like this?

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Re: [MBZ] i bought this little nikon pocket camera for like 50 bucks 2 years ago

2009-07-03 Thread Gary Hurst
well, i mean, if you don't want to create any new images, then it's not any
sort of issue to you.  i used to like making images.  and then i stopped
liking it.  and now i like it again.

i've tried to get into camcorders, but they are a pain in the ass and just
aren't useful to me.  the cheap camera let's you make short films within the
scope of your abilities.  for example:

http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3086381480089947248PrtDNf

this 12 second quicktime film is a record to document being at a certain
place at a certain time.  it also discusses the issue of perspective while
telling a joke.  it's pretty much what you might have done on the 8mm,
albeit in a more compact form, but it really doesn't merit carrying around
the camcorder for.  the film can be phone or email ready in a matter of
moments.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:

 jabba wrote:
  but there is also a lot to be said for what the $50 pocket camera
  can do for you as well.

 I did film for yearbook 35 years ago.
 I did film when we had young kids.
 Today - I really could care less to have pictures - of anything, so
 the cheep china stuff is still lost on me.
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Re: [MBZ] i bought this little nikon pocket camera for like 50 bucks 2 years ago

2009-07-03 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 23:15:15 -0400 Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
wrote:

 well, i mean, if you don't want to create any new images, then it's not
 any sort of issue to you.  i used to like making images.  and then i
 stopped liking it.  and now i like it again.
 
 i've tried to get into camcorders, but they are a pain in the ass and
 just aren't useful to me.  the cheap camera let's you make short films
 within the scope of your abilities.  for example:
 
 http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3086381480089947248PrtDNf

So the cheap camera has sound, too?

My Nikon CoolPix 775 makes 15 second videos, but has no sound.


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[MBZ] how to hold my crankshaft

2009-07-03 Thread Barry Stark
I knowvery carefully :^)

I'm in the middle of replacing the water pump on my 380SL and it would be an
excellent time to replace my front crank seal as it is seeping just a little
but I need some way to hold the crankshaft so I can unscrew the big bolt
holding on the hub. Anyone have a technique that works without removing the
starter. Is there another good way to lock it up? Has anyone done this?
Hmmm...370 Newton MetersCan I loosen it with a 1/2 breaker bar or would
I need a cheater as well?

Barry



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Re: [MBZ] COLORS

2009-07-03 Thread RELNGSON
 ...WILTON wrote:
  BTW, I grew up during a time when silver and grey cars faded very fast,
  so, call it a bias or whatever, I just don't like silver on a car, but 
 car
  mfgrs seem to have gone crazy as Hell over 'em.
 
 I have been sensitive to that overwhelming number of color on cars
 also - and, I don't like it in the least.  Why do they do this?..
 
New car sales managers don't like to order a color for stock because they 
are afraid they will get stuck with it. That's why so many silvers are 
sold. If somebody wants one today, likely it's going to be silver, white or 
black. All very ordinary and boring. Same reason so many cars have black Tex 
interiors.

And yet when I stop by my dealer (weekly for a cuppa) I see a sea of, guess 
what, silver, white and black cars that have been on hand for months in 
some cases.

Of the hundreds of Hondas one sees daily, how many are NOT silver?

That's why I waited months for my car because I wanted it the way I wanted 
it, and not what was out back.

BTW, the Germany's racing color is not silver.

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Re: [MBZ] no brakes

2009-07-03 Thread RELNGSON
 Hi! my 300td wagon a '83 model has a problem with the front brake 
 rotors that keep glazing over...
 
I'm thinking your rear brakes are not working. Check the rear half of the 
brake fluid reservoir which might be empty.

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Re: [MBZ] how to hold my crankshaft

2009-07-03 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 20:32:37 -0700 Barry Stark
barryst...@roadrunner.com wrote:

 Hmmm...370 Newton MetersCan I loosen it with a 1/2 breaker bar or
 would I need a cheater as well?

370 N-m is 272.9 ft-lb. Are you sure that's the correct number?

Most likely you'll need a cheater, too. The best idea is to use an impact
wrench. That way the inertia of the crankshaft will hold it still while
the bolt is loosened.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Mac Leopard on PC?

2009-07-03 Thread Ed Booher
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 12:33 PM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:

 Seems to be quite a few how to sites saying that Leopard can be installed
 on a PC.

 http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=leopard+on+pcaq=foq=aqi=g10

 Comment?
 Thanks,
 Gerry---Looking for a cheaper way to try Mac since SIL isn't interested.


Ok, we need a real fast history lesson here.

Way back in the way back, whilst dinosaurs roamed the Earth, the Macintosh
was introduced by a little company called Apple. This system utilized a
Motorola 68000, known colloquially as the 68K, and introduced the concept to
the masses of using pictures to represent their files instead of text on a
command line.

A power struggle within the depths of this little company caused the master
showman to be ousted. Steve Jobs, angry with the lack of vision and
direction from the company he founded, struck out and built a second
company. The company he simply titled NeXT. UNIX was, and is, an extremely
powerful operating system. It ran the largest mainframes of the day, and
powerful workstation class computers used it as well. But with all that
power comes quite a learning curve, and UNIX was very graphically
unfriendly.

NeXT introduced the Mac of the UNIX world. A Motorola 68K machine running
with the full strength of UNIX and the Graphical User Interface of the
Macintosh. Because it was running hardware already known by Jobs, and since
a lot of key engineers loyal to Jobs left Apple to work on NeXT, Apple sued
and succeeded in getting a court order to keep NeXT from competing with
Apple. As such, NeXT had to fight in the extremely tight workstation market.

But the true power of NeXT was it's development tools. Extremely graphical
in nature, many copied the way you could drag pre-built objects around, link
them to other pre-built objects and only change several lines of code to
build brand new applications instead of having to write every line from
scratch each time. Everyone wanted a NeXT, but very few could own one. The
entire internet owes it's thanks to NeXT as the HyperText Markup Language,
or HTML, and the very first web browser were developed on one.

However, both Apple and NeXT were feeling pressures from the outside world.
Apple had stumbled, again and again, against Microsoft and the invasion of
the IBM PC Clones. Attempting to capture some of that success, the Mac
clone, almost killed Apple. NeXT was fighting against IBM in it's own way,
against the high end workstation machines and Sun Microsystems Solaris. In
some cosmic duality, they also both started developing RISC based Power PC
systems. Apple introduced the Power Macintosh, and NeXT left the hardware
business before production began of the Power NeXT.

However, the Operating System NeXTStep, was already running on the Power PC
processor. NeXT attempted to rebrand itself purely as a software company and
introduced OpenStep. The beautiful object oriented graphically derived
development environment was fully ported to Windows, Mac OS and Solaris. A
program written in Objective C could be recompiled either directly against
each variant, or as a Fat Binary allowing a company to produce software
that installed and ran on all OS'es without care of the underlying
processor.

Apple, against the ropes, and in need of a modern operating system began to
rewrite the Mac OS from scratch. Project Copland took nearly a decade of
Apple's time and money, and failed gloriously. Desperate they looked to two
OS'es already built and running on the Power PC platform. BeOS, an extremely
fluid and modern OS from a former Apple employee, and OpenStep, and
extremely stable and powerful modern OS from a former Apple employee.

The choice, buy NeXT, receive back the prodigal son, and have a UNIX
operating system. The kernel, known as Mach, was open source. As NeXT, Mach
ran on 68K, PPC, SPARC and x86. So when OpenStep started down the road to
become Mac OS X, it was already running on multiple processors with the
ability to recompile code directly against API's whose job it is to
obfuscate the processor underneath. Since it was open, before Mac OS X 10.0
Public Beta was even released, Mach was becoming Darwin and running on
Intel.

All of this is important to understand for the following reason: Darwin *is*
Mac OS X minus Aqua. Aqua is the GUI of Mac OS and is what makes a Mac a Mac
today. The core of Mac OS X is still Darwin (Mach) and as such, all UNIX
like apps that run within Mac OS X run within Darwin without problem.
However, the NeXT Objective C API's were not open, and are not available on
Darwin  without a lot of work.

The Hackintosh works based around the principle that Mac OS X is Darwin
and Darwin is Mac OS X. In other words, the Hackintosh builds that are
available are taking a retail copy of Mac OS X, removing the engine from the
bay and dropping in the full aluminum crate version of the same engine
creating a leaner, meaner version. However, this requires quite a large
amount of technical 

Re: [MBZ] OT: Mac Mini

2009-07-03 Thread Ed Booher
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 10:36 PM, archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:

 The only things I want to do on the Mini is streaming video, pictures,
 audio, email, and internet search.  Knowing which minimum specifications of
 a Mini I would need to do those things would allow me to bid on the cheapest
 Mini.


*Any* Intel Mac, regardless if Mini, iMac, MacBook, Core Solo, Core Duo or
Core Duo 2 will do what you want. Again, I stress, stay away from the PPC
systems. I love the architecture, and wish they'd lived longer, but they are
dead and that fact must be faced.

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Re: [MBZ] i bought this little nikon pocket camera for like 50 bucks 2 years ago

2009-07-03 Thread Gary Hurst
yup, if you heard sound, it's got sound.  i didn't graft sound on later.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.netwrote:

 On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 23:15:15 -0400 Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  well, i mean, if you don't want to create any new images, then it's not
  any sort of issue to you.  i used to like making images.  and then i
  stopped liking it.  and now i like it again.
 
  i've tried to get into camcorders, but they are a pain in the ass and
  just aren't useful to me.  the cheap camera let's you make short films
  within the scope of your abilities.  for example:
 
  http://good-times.webshots.com/video/3086381480089947248PrtDNf

 So the cheap camera has sound, too?

 My Nikon CoolPix 775 makes 15 second videos, but has no sound.


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Re: [MBZ] no brakes

2009-07-03 Thread Gary Hurst
haven't i mentioned everything you guys have repeated?

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 11:59 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

  Hi! my 300td wagon a '83 model has a problem with the front brake
  rotors that keep glazing over...
 
 I'm thinking your rear brakes are not working. Check the rear half of the
 brake fluid reservoir which might be empty.

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