Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?

[Brian Toscano]

Over 20 years the overall vehicle comes more into question than the fuel it
uses.  If you're only driving 10,000 miles a year the fuel cost would not
be a major concern.  Both will be available.  The world will not "run out"
of oil at some moment in time.



On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:43 PM, G Mann  wrote:

> I fully expect to be still driving one of my 300D's 20 years from now.  In
> 20 yrs. I'll be 85, just to be sure, I think I'll stockpile a second car up
> on blocks so when the one I'm driving fails and I'm to old and frail to fix
> it but can still drive, I'll take the "spare " out and drive that one...
> why not?
>
> Diesel will run on a pretty wide range of fuels that don't all have to come
> from the "system", so it's my choice. That might not work for you... or it
> might.  The older design with nothing computer is more resilient I believe,
> it's already gone for 35 years and millions of miles...
>
> For the price of a new car, I can buy a fleet of 300SD's ... keep Q in
> business, stockpile spares, make them near perfect, and use them for next
> 20 yrs... so what if they don't get 50 mpg... I'm still money ahead at 30
> mpg and the older car
>
> Granted I don't have to deal with rust issues here in the west.
>
> Your mileage may vary...
>
> Grant... AZ
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Rick Knoble  >wrote:
>
> > On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:42 PM, "OK Don"  wrote:
> > > If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for
> > the
> > > next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily
> available
> > > in the last five years of ownership, and why?
> >
> >
> > Both should be available, but by then diesel may be more prevalent. The
> > air, railroad, and trucking industries all rely on diesel fuel (jet a is
> > similar) and those industries are not likely to die off any time soon. 50
> > mpg + vehicles fueled by diesel are the norm in Europe and when fuel hits
> > over $7 per gallon here in the next few years, automakers will be forced
> by
> > public outcry to produce more efficient vehicles. Since they already
> exist
> > in Europe, they will be diesels.
> >
> > > Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year?
> >
> > Probably not. My friend bought a 2003 new and it has about 250 k miles on
> > it and it is pretty much used up.
> >
> > > A
> > > current C class?
> >
> > Possibly, with proper maintenance. I expect an E class bluetec would fit
> > the ticket nicely. They are not inexpensive, but quality usually isn't.
> >
> > Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?

[G Mann]

I fully expect to be still driving one of my 300D's 20 years from now.  In
20 yrs. I'll be 85, just to be sure, I think I'll stockpile a second car up
on blocks so when the one I'm driving fails and I'm to old and frail to fix
it but can still drive, I'll take the "spare " out and drive that one...
why not?

Diesel will run on a pretty wide range of fuels that don't all have to come
from the "system", so it's my choice. That might not work for you... or it
might.  The older design with nothing computer is more resilient I believe,
it's already gone for 35 years and millions of miles...

For the price of a new car, I can buy a fleet of 300SD's ... keep Q in
business, stockpile spares, make them near perfect, and use them for next
20 yrs... so what if they don't get 50 mpg... I'm still money ahead at 30
mpg and the older car

Granted I don't have to deal with rust issues here in the west.

Your mileage may vary...

Grant... AZ

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

> On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:42 PM, "OK Don"  wrote:
> > If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for
> the
> > next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available
> > in the last five years of ownership, and why?
>
>
> Both should be available, but by then diesel may be more prevalent. The
> air, railroad, and trucking industries all rely on diesel fuel (jet a is
> similar) and those industries are not likely to die off any time soon. 50
> mpg + vehicles fueled by diesel are the norm in Europe and when fuel hits
> over $7 per gallon here in the next few years, automakers will be forced by
> public outcry to produce more efficient vehicles. Since they already exist
> in Europe, they will be diesels.
>
> > Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year?
>
> Probably not. My friend bought a 2003 new and it has about 250 k miles on
> it and it is pretty much used up.
>
> > A
> > current C class?
>
> Possibly, with proper maintenance. I expect an E class bluetec would fit
> the ticket nicely. They are not inexpensive, but quality usually isn't.
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Tire disaster

[ernest breakfield]

nice riding, yes, but in my experience, the 195/77-14s i had were far 
below average traction on anything less than perfectly dry, and prone to 
tracking creases and seams in the road.



cheers!
e

On 17/Apr/12 16:01, David Bruckmann wrote:

It appears Michelin is no longer offering their fantastic Harmony tires in 
205-70-14! They are by leaps and bounds the most comfortable and quiet tires 
I've ever had!

Rats.

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Re: [MBZ] 300D shutoff

[ernest breakfield]

what year 300D is this?
any chance it's an '85?


cheers!
e


On 16/Apr/12 16:39, Tim C wrote:

On Apr 15, 2012 11:49 PM, "Craig"  wrote:

On Sun, 15 Apr 2012 22:11:44 -0400 Tim C  wrote:


I finally replaced the shutoff for the 300D this afternoon.

I presume this is a OM617 based 300D.

Good catch, yes.  Thanks. :)


Can disconnected vacuum cause no start, too?

No.

The line is connected anyway, in fact everything looks plugged up
correctly.  Never replaced the driver foot well cover and haven't really
regretted it... ;)


I took the shutoff out again, and it doesn't seem to be stuck - the
pull bar is sitting well past what it's pulling, and the stop lever
makes it skip a touch if I pull the lever back, so I think that's
right.

What happens when you suck on the vacuum line to the shutoff? Does the
lever on the side of the injection pump move down? That's what should
happen before you try to start the engine.

I didn't have my mityvac out this morning, but sucking against the tube I
was able to feel the click against the lever.  I probably have the mityvac
in the other car but I didn't want to spend all my time looking for it.


Thanks for any tips,

If you don't get the shutoff connected properly, I understand the engine
can run away and you won't be able to make it stop.

Thanks for that, I grabbed some plastic bags just in case.  Alas still no
start this morning.

I am starting to wonder if it is just glow, but the engine doesn't even
stumble - I've always been able to make it catch without draining the
battery even if I completely neglect glow, but I can't think that anything
else would be so sudden.

I guess the IP could have given up the ghost, but it seems to take in fuel
if I break the line at the filter.  Or maybe my battery decided to give it
up?  Though rotation speed sounds reasonable.

Compression, fuel, air, exhaust, right?  Figure I'll work on it tomorrow
until the rain starts, probably start cracking injector lines...

Thanks,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?

[Rick Knoble]

On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:42 PM, "OK Don"  wrote:
> If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the
> next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available
> in the last five years of ownership, and why?


Both should be available, but by then diesel may be more prevalent. The air, 
railroad, and trucking industries all rely on diesel fuel (jet a is similar) 
and those industries are not likely to die off any time soon. 50 mpg + vehicles 
fueled by diesel are the norm in Europe and when fuel hits over $7 per gallon 
here in the next few years, automakers will be forced by public outcry to 
produce more efficient vehicles. Since they already exist in Europe, they will 
be diesels. 

> Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year?

Probably not. My friend bought a 2003 new and it has about 250 k miles on it 
and it is pretty much used up. 

> A
> current C class?

Possibly, with proper maintenance. I expect an E class bluetec would fit the 
ticket nicely. They are not inexpensive, but quality usually isn't. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Tire disaster

[Craig]

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 16:01:42 -0700 David Bruckmann
 wrote:

> It appears Michelin is no longer offering their fantastic Harmony tires
> in 205-70-14! They are by leaps and bounds the most comfortable and
> quiet tires I've ever had!
> 
> Rats. 

So what model car do you want to use it on?

What is your rim size?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?

[Dieselhead]

I have been happy with the dodge van.  I got it 5 years ago with 110k 
on it.  It needed plugs and wires, and a seal rejuvenator in the 
engine.   I replaced the pass window switch,  Other than that it has 
been oil and filters, trans fluid/filter, tars, the usual stuff.


I have put 120k on it.  I plan to keep it until it croaks.  another 50 to 100k.




The last VW I owned was really starting to come to pieces at about 10
years.  It WAS a good car for that time, but do not see one lasting like
a W123 can.  Of course I would say that about ANY modern car.

Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> writes:


 I doubt a VW would  be that cost effective after 10-12 years.

 An E might.



On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:42:04 -0500 OK Don  wrote:


  If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for
  the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily
  available in the last five years of ownership, and why?


You can always make biodiesel



  Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A
  current C class?


In other words, would they go 150,000 - 200,000 miles. Good question; I
don't know.


--
1983 300D
1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?

[Allan Streib]

The last VW I owned was really starting to come to pieces at about 10
years.  It WAS a good car for that time, but do not see one lasting like
a W123 can.  Of course I would say that about ANY modern car.

Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> writes:

> I doubt a VW would  be that cost effective after 10-12 years.
>
> An E might.
>
>
>>On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:42:04 -0500 OK Don  wrote:
>>
>>>  If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for
>>>  the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily
>>>  available in the last five years of ownership, and why?
>>
>>You can always make biodiesel
>>
>>
>>>  Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A
>>>  current C class?
>>
>>In other words, would they go 150,000 - 200,000 miles. Good question; I
>>don't know.

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Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?

[Allan Streib]

Both diesel and gasoline as vehicle fuel will be with us for at least
another half-century, no alternatives are anywhere close to scale to
replace them.

Allan

Craig  writes:

> On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:42:04 -0500 OK Don  wrote:
>
>> If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for
>> the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily
>> available in the last five years of ownership, and why?
>
> You can always make biodiesel
>
>
>> Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A
>> current C class?
>
> In other words, would they go 150,000 - 200,000 miles. Good question; I
> don't know.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?

[Dieselhead]

I doubt a VW would  be that cost effective after 10-12 years.

An E might.



On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:42:04 -0500 OK Don  wrote:


 If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for
 the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily
 available in the last five years of ownership, and why?


You can always make biodiesel



 Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A
 current C class?


In other words, would they go 150,000 - 200,000 miles. Good question; I
don't know.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?

[Craig]

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:42:04 -0500 OK Don  wrote:

> If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for
> the next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily
> available in the last five years of ownership, and why?

You can always make biodiesel


> Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A
> current C class?

In other words, would they go 150,000 - 200,000 miles. Good question; I
don't know.


Craig

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[MBZ] Crystal ball time - Diesel or Gas?

[OK Don]

If you were thinking about buying a new car, and expect to keep it for the
next 15-20 years, which fuel do you think would be more readily available
in the last five years of ownership, and why?

Would a VW TDI be likely to last that long at 10,000 miles per year? A
current C class?

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1990 300D 2.5T
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy

[Craig]

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:26:51 -0500 OK Don  wrote:

> Cover the existing floor with the foam boards, then pour two inches of
> concrete over that . . .

Unless you reinforce the 2" of concrete quite well, I would expect
cracking when you drive a car over it and the foam boards compress


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OM603 Turbo Install vs. Head Install

[OK Don]

That's how I did it also --

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> That's how I do it
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 17, 2012, at 1:41 PM, "Max Dillon" 
> wrote:
>
> > Dieselvolk,
> >
> > "
> >
> > I'm working on installing the "new" head on my '87 wagon.  Has anyone
> ever
> > installed the turbo first, and then lowered the head into place?  The
> angle
> > of the junction between turbo and exhaust manifold is working against me,
> > but leaving things loose may allow enough slack to overcome that.
> >
> >
>
> --
>
OK Don
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1992 300D 2.5T
1990 300D 2.5T
1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy

[OK Don]

Cover the existing floor with the foam boards, then pour two inches of
concrete over that . . .

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> Well that was me.  One side has very thin foil, one side has very thin
> plastic.  I could see the sheets could be quite flammable.  I have some
> scraps, I should try it.
>
> --R
>
>
> On 4/17/12 3:05 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
>
>> Rich Thomas wrote:
>>
>>> Interesting.  I suppose one could cover it with something to minimize
>>> any flaming.
>>>
>>
>> Like the bonded foil facing mentioned by the person who originally made
>> the foam sheet suggestion?
>>
>> Mitch.
>>
>>


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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy

[Jim Cathey]

I suppose one could cover it with something to minimize any flaming.


I hear concrete is good.  :-)

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

[Tim C]

Not to be a snob, but I wouldn't use Fedora; use CentOS or Debian for a
production server.  Fedora is a test distribution, so while it's as stable
as, say, VistaSP1, it's not quite a real server IMO.

That said, since the user is used to Windows and is otherwise going to be
running Windows, I'd use the 2003 license and never look back.  It is hard
to get an IT guy who knows both Windows and Linux well, and even if you get
it set up at first they will hate you forever - plus they will have to call
you for every little thing, and resent every billable minute.

Now, you could set up 2003 in a VM as the DC (or use an existing external
server if there is one?), and then share the file systems from Linux using
Samba.  From Windows' perspective the Linux box is just another machine in
the domain so you could certainly do redirects.  That setup would be easy
enough to maintain with good performance, but honestly it strikes me as
over-complicated for such a small user base.

You can set up permissions on Linux shares, but once you start into DC/BDC
the Windows servers are really the way to go.

Best,
Tim
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>  picked up a dell 2650 with a fresh install of fedora.  Anybody familiar
> with this OS for a server?
>
> I am wondering if it has something like AD group policies similar to M$
> Server 2000/2003/2008.  If so, I can learn to use it.  Otherwise I can put
> 2003R2 on it.
>
> Its intended use will be data storage for a small business with 4 or 5
> computers (XP) and same number of users.  Fortunately none of the computers
> I have looked at so far are Wissta.
>
> I would like to use the GPOs to redirect the users' "My Documents" to the
> server, among other things.  (such as severely restricting what users can
> do.)
>
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Re: [MBZ] tire changing struggles

[Craig]

On Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:39:37 +0930 Hendrik & Fay 
wrote:

> Sounds like you need to hit the gym and build up the muscles a bit, 53 
> pounds is not a lot for a man.

In the form of a dumbell, yes, but placing a tire/wheel where it needs to
go is much more awkward and can be fraught with unforeseen difficulties.


> Although when I change a truck tire, I use a bar under it to lift.

Now that's cheating!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] tire changing struggles

[Hendrik & Fay]

Sounds like you need to hit the gym and build up the muscles a bit, 53 
pounds is not a lot for a man.

Although when I change a truck tire, I use a bar under it to lift.

Hendrik
who pulled a nail out of a tire the other day but did not puncture


Since MB uses bolts instead of studs, it's even more difficult hiking the
heavy wheel onto the hub and lining up the bolt holes. I have the threaded
stud (to screw into a bolt hole) which helps no end but even so the 53 lb
weight of my rear wheels (18X8.5") can be a struggle.

BTW, after 33K miles, I'm about to replace the tires and it might just be
the new Conti DW which is getting good reviews. Previous Continentals have
been lousy but this seems to be a breakthrough for them. Tire Rack, of course.

RLE






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Re: [MBZ] Tire disaster

[Dimitri Seretakis]

I think that the Michelin Weatherwise II available at Sears are the same or 
very similar tire. I have harmonys in the front and weatherwise II in the rear 
but mine are 195 70 R14.

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On Apr 17, 2012, at 7:01 PM, David Bruckmann  
wrote:

It appears Michelin is no longer offering their fantastic Harmony tires in 
205-70-14! They are by leaps and bounds the most comfortable and quiet tires 
I've ever had!

Rats. 

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[MBZ] Tire disaster

[David Bruckmann]

It appears Michelin is no longer offering their fantastic Harmony tires in 
205-70-14! They are by leaps and bounds the most comfortable and quiet tires 
I've ever had!

Rats. 

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Re: [MBZ] tire changing

[RELNGSON]

> That was what I was thinking when I read it too. A tire change on a
> Suburban is not going to be easy. I know I struggle to get the wheels
> back onto my truck.
> 
> Most women probably would not be able to do it. Might hurt their backs
> if they tried, too.
> 
> Randy
> 
> On 16/04/2012 7:57 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:
> >> ...Teaching her to change a tire is a futile effort, and probably safer
> >> anyway to have someone come to do it on that road...
> >>
> > And what is the weight of the tire/wheel?
> >
> > RLE
> 
Since MB uses bolts instead of studs, it's even more difficult hiking the 
heavy wheel onto the hub and lining up the bolt holes. I have the threaded 
stud (to screw into a bolt hole) which helps no end but even so the 53 lb 
weight of my rear wheels (18X8.5") can be a struggle. 

BTW, after 33K miles, I'm about to replace the tires and it might just be 
the new Conti DW which is getting good reviews. Previous Continentals have 
been lousy but this seems to be a breakthrough for them. Tire Rack, of course.

RLE
 
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Re: [MBZ] tire changing

[Dave Cavner]

Lug wrench issue resolved. My neighbor went to a different Pep Boys and picked 
up what he needed (13/16" / 21MM wrench).

Thanks to everyone with the assist.

Dave
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Re: [MBZ] tire changing

[Dan Penoff]

Its because these idiots at the FLAPs have never worked on cars like we have, 
and can only use their computers to look up parts.

No practical experience with the products.

Dan  

WILTON  wrote:

>'Sounds familiar.  BTDT  ;<)
>
>Wilton
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Randy Bennell" 
>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 5:26 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] tire changing
>
>
>>I cannot recall if I have told this story before or not, so be 
>> forewarned, you may have heard it.
>> 
>> I stopped to see if I could pick up a couple of the generic inline fuel 
>> filters that at one time were very common. Either the see through 
>> plastic ones or the metal ones.
>> In any event, the parts store did not have any on the shelf that I could 
>> see.
>> A store employee saw me and came to ask what he could get me. I told him 
>> what I wanted and his answer was "what vehicle is it for?" I told him I 
>> just wanted generic inline filters.
>> He got huffy and said if I would just tell him what vehicle, he would 
>> look it up on the computer and get me the right one.
>> So, I told him I intended to put it inline in the fuel hose in my boat 
>> which was an early 60's Starcraft Holiday 18 foot aluminum boat with a 
>> 1978 Johnson 3 cylinder 2 stroke outboard and suggested he go and look 
>> it up.
>> Then I left and went elsewhere since he just had a dumb look on his face 
>> and still did not appear to have any idea what I wanted or why.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 17/04/2012 12:11 PM, Craig wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:36:08 -0700 Alex Chamberlain
>>>   wrote:
>>>
 On Apr 17, 2012 9:24 AM, "Dave Cavner"  wrote:
> Another friend went to Pep Boys for a
> replacement but the guys there said
> they couldn't help. I'm thinking the
> friend mis-phrased the request but I
> wasn't there.
 I bet your friend phrased the request in a completely sensible way.
 Sounds like typical parts counter guy stupidity to me.  If they can't
 look it up in the computer it doesn't exist.  No concept of
 cross-referencing or of generic standardized parts that might fit a
 variety of cars.  I had one Autozone manager tell me that I should go
 to U-Pull-It to get the plastic covers for the service ports on an R134
 A/C system because "we don't carry trim parts like that."
>>> But Rusty knows his stuff and can get Japanese parts, too!
>>>
>>> Call him at 800-741-5252.
>>>
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
>>>
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] tire changing

[WILTON]

'Sounds familiar.  BTDT  ;<)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Bennell" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] tire changing


I cannot recall if I have told this story before or not, so be 
forewarned, you may have heard it.


I stopped to see if I could pick up a couple of the generic inline fuel 
filters that at one time were very common. Either the see through 
plastic ones or the metal ones.
In any event, the parts store did not have any on the shelf that I could 
see.
A store employee saw me and came to ask what he could get me. I told him 
what I wanted and his answer was "what vehicle is it for?" I told him I 
just wanted generic inline filters.
He got huffy and said if I would just tell him what vehicle, he would 
look it up on the computer and get me the right one.
So, I told him I intended to put it inline in the fuel hose in my boat 
which was an early 60's Starcraft Holiday 18 foot aluminum boat with a 
1978 Johnson 3 cylinder 2 stroke outboard and suggested he go and look 
it up.
Then I left and went elsewhere since he just had a dumb look on his face 
and still did not appear to have any idea what I wanted or why.


Randy



On 17/04/2012 12:11 PM, Craig wrote:

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:36:08 -0700 Alex Chamberlain
  wrote:


On Apr 17, 2012 9:24 AM, "Dave Cavner"  wrote:

Another friend went to Pep Boys for a
replacement but the guys there said
they couldn't help. I'm thinking the
friend mis-phrased the request but I
wasn't there.

I bet your friend phrased the request in a completely sensible way.
Sounds like typical parts counter guy stupidity to me.  If they can't
look it up in the computer it doesn't exist.  No concept of
cross-referencing or of generic standardized parts that might fit a
variety of cars.  I had one Autozone manager tell me that I should go
to U-Pull-It to get the plastic covers for the service ports on an R134
A/C system because "we don't carry trim parts like that."

But Rusty knows his stuff and can get Japanese parts, too!

Call him at 800-741-5252.


Craig





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Re: [MBZ] tire changing

[Randy Bennell]

I cannot recall if I have told this story before or not, so be 
forewarned, you may have heard it.


I stopped to see if I could pick up a couple of the generic inline fuel 
filters that at one time were very common. Either the see through 
plastic ones or the metal ones.
In any event, the parts store did not have any on the shelf that I could 
see.
A store employee saw me and came to ask what he could get me. I told him 
what I wanted and his answer was "what vehicle is it for?" I told him I 
just wanted generic inline filters.
He got huffy and said if I would just tell him what vehicle, he would 
look it up on the computer and get me the right one.
So, I told him I intended to put it inline in the fuel hose in my boat 
which was an early 60's Starcraft Holiday 18 foot aluminum boat with a 
1978 Johnson 3 cylinder 2 stroke outboard and suggested he go and look 
it up.
Then I left and went elsewhere since he just had a dumb look on his face 
and still did not appear to have any idea what I wanted or why.


Randy



On 17/04/2012 12:11 PM, Craig wrote:

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:36:08 -0700 Alex Chamberlain
  wrote:


On Apr 17, 2012 9:24 AM, "Dave Cavner"  wrote:

Another friend went to Pep Boys for a
replacement but the guys there said
they couldn't help. I'm thinking the
friend mis-phrased the request but I
wasn't there.

I bet your friend phrased the request in a completely sensible way.
Sounds like typical parts counter guy stupidity to me.  If they can't
look it up in the computer it doesn't exist.  No concept of
cross-referencing or of generic standardized parts that might fit a
variety of cars.  I had one Autozone manager tell me that I should go
to U-Pull-It to get the plastic covers for the service ports on an R134
A/C system because "we don't carry trim parts like that."

But Rusty knows his stuff and can get Japanese parts, too!

Call him at 800-741-5252.


Craig





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Re: [MBZ] OM603 Turbo Install vs. Head Install

[WILTON]

'Wish I were nearby; I'd do it.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Max Dillon" 

To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 Turbo Install vs. Head Install



Thanks Craig,

I do have a nice lift, but I'd need two people to lower head/turbo and get
the oil feed and drain right (from underneath) while getting the assembly
lowered and lined up from above.  Neither SWMBO nor Little SWMBO is up to
the task.

-Max

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Craig
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:14 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 Turbo Install vs. Head Install

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:41:20 -0400 "Max Dillon"
 wrote:


I'm working on installing the "new" head on my '87 wagon.  Has anyone
ever installed the turbo first, and then lowered the head into place?


I have heard of it being done that way, Max, but I don't recall which
model/engine. If you have a good lift that will allow you a lot of control
over the head/turbo assembly, I would think that would be the best way to 
do

it.

You might want to lower the exhaust pipe out of the way.



The angle of the junction between turbo and exhaust manifold is
working against me, but leaving things loose may allow enough slack to
overcome that.


It might, indeed.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy

[WILTON]

Outside.  ;<)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" 

To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy


Last I knew the foam board would burn when hit with a flame but wouldn't 
sustain flame on its own.


I also doubt it would ignite under a "simple spark". I've seen lots of 
styrofoam burn and even when it does burn its not super easy to light.


I've got some foam board, maybe I'll see if I can light it.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:16:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dimitri Seretakis 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re:  abuse of cars 2ejuremy
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Yes but according to my local fire dept, foam board insulation should 
under no circumstances be used in an exposed manner as a simple spark can 
ignite it causing it to go up in flames and emit a dark sooty cloud of 
smoke. I'm basing my statement on that alone.


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy

[WILTON]

Yes, it's very highly likely that most of the moisture in the garage is 
brought in via ambient air intrusion.


Vent, heat or enclose object of interest in dry, moisture vapor-proof 
cocoon.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy


most of the moisture in the central and eastern US is from condensation, 
not from wicking through concrete.


wrap the car in a plastic bag with lots of dessicant/oxygen-eater inside.

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Re: [MBZ] tire changing

[Curt Raymond]

I forget which model BMW I got my "super lug wrench" from but I once traded an 
old Ford Tempo my Dad gave me for the one. Its an old type, shaped like a 
crank. I've only once encountered lugs I couldn't bust loose with it. That was 
on my '84 190D (complete with bent wheels, imagine that) and I finally had to 
borrow a big truck impact gun to get 'em off. No idea what they had been put on 
with but one lug on each wheel was stuck crazy tight, only one that I couldn't 
get off.

The two rear tight ones came off with bits of the hub. Someday I need to 
helicoil them.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:08:26 -0500
From: Randy Bennell 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] tire changing
Message-ID: <4f8dcdba.5050...@bennell.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Or, just buy a deep socket and a 1/2" breaker bar. Better anyway.

Altenatively, one of the star wrenches. They give more leverage than an 
average trunk tool.

Randy

On 17/04/2012 2:15 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> Junk yard or "auto recycler" would be the place to go. Bet you can get one 
> cheap.
>
> AFAIK they're all 17mm.
>
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy

[Mitch Haley]

Curt Raymond wrote:

Last I knew the foam board would burn when hit with a flame but wouldn't 
sustain flame on its own.

I also doubt it would ignite under a "simple spark". I've seen lots of 
styrofoam burn and even when it does burn its not super easy to light.

I've got some foam board, maybe I'll see if I can light it.


If you cover the interior of a room with it, it's a lot different than trying to 
light it in open cold air. Doing just the floor would likely be somewhere in 
between.


The urethane spray foam is a lot harder to burn than the polystyrene foam, but 
if you coat the entire interior of a potato storage barn with urethane, it will 
burn with incredible heat and speed, because the insulation keeps all the heat 
inside with the fire.


http://www.monolithic.com/stories/foam-fire-hazard-and-fire-barrier

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Re: [MBZ] tire changing

[Randy Bennell]

I would not be surprised to hear it weighs more than that. I know with 
my truck, all is well if I lift it and hit the pins right away. However, 
if I miss, it becomes heavy real quick.


Randy

On 17/04/2012 11:08 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
Well the wheel/tire (dirty and torn up with belt wire sticking out all 
over) probably weighs 40-50lb or so.  Getting the spare off is not 
particularly easy, even when you know how to do it.  Getting the jack 
and lug wrench out of the storage area (in behind a panel in the back) 
is not particularly easy, even when you know how to do it.


Doing all this on I-95 on the shoulder, with a tire on the traffic 
side, with traffic going by at 75-80 is near suicidal.


And for (most) any of our wives

--R

On 4/17/12 11:55 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:
That was what I was thinking when I read it too. A tire change on a 
Suburban is not going to be easy. I know I struggle to get the wheels 
back onto my truck.


Most women probably would not be able to do it. Might hurt their 
backs if they tried, too.


Randy

On 16/04/2012 7:57 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:
...Teaching her to change a tire is a futile effort, and probably 
safer

anyway to have someone come to do it on that road...


And what is the weight of the tire/wheel?

RLE



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Re: [MBZ] tire changing

[Randy Bennell]

Or, just buy a deep socket and a 1/2" breaker bar. Better anyway.

Altenatively, one of the star wrenches. They give more leverage than an 
average trunk tool.


Randy

On 17/04/2012 2:15 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Junk yard or "auto recycler" would be the place to go. Bet you can get one 
cheap.

AFAIK they're all 17mm.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:24:05 -0700
From: Dave Cavner
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] tire changing
Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

Speaking of? my 90 year old neighbor - sharp as a tack (mostly) had a blow out 
in his '93 Camry recently but left the lug wrench on the roadside. He asked me 
to help find a replacement. Google has not been my friend. Anyone know what 
size I should be looking for?

Another friend went to Pep Boys for a replacement but the guys there said they 
couldn't help. I'm thinking the friend mis-phrased the request but I wasn't 
there. It would be nice if it was the factory-standard bent wrench rather than 
the universal X shape.

Dave
SoCal

'82 240D (3 pedal)
'84 300TD (Euro)
'85 300TD (Cali)

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy

[Dimitri Seretakis]

The bonded foil should actually help make it fire resistant.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Rich Thomas  
wrote:

Well that was me.  One side has very thin foil, one side has very thin plastic. 
 I could see the sheets could be quite flammable.  I have some scraps, I should 
try it.

--R

On 4/17/12 3:05 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
Rich Thomas wrote:
Interesting.  I suppose one could cover it with something to minimize any 
flaming.

Like the bonded foil facing mentioned by the person who originally made the 
foam sheet suggestion?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OM603 Turbo Install vs. Head Install

[Max Dillon]

Thanks Craig,

I do have a nice lift, but I'd need two people to lower head/turbo and get
the oil feed and drain right (from underneath) while getting the assembly
lowered and lined up from above.  Neither SWMBO nor Little SWMBO is up to
the task.

-Max

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Craig
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:14 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OM603 Turbo Install vs. Head Install

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:41:20 -0400 "Max Dillon"
 wrote:

> I'm working on installing the "new" head on my '87 wagon.  Has anyone 
> ever installed the turbo first, and then lowered the head into place?

I have heard of it being done that way, Max, but I don't recall which
model/engine. If you have a good lift that will allow you a lot of control
over the head/turbo assembly, I would think that would be the best way to do
it.

You might want to lower the exhaust pipe out of the way.


> The angle of the junction between turbo and exhaust manifold is 
> working against me, but leaving things loose may allow enough slack to 
> overcome that.

It might, indeed.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OM603 Turbo Install vs. Head Install

[Max Dillon]

Thanks Kaleb,  I'll proceed as planned.  

-Max

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That's how I do it

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On Apr 17, 2012, at 1:41 PM, "Max Dillon"  wrote:

> Dieselvolk,
> 
> "
> 
> I'm working on installing the "new" head on my '87 wagon.  Has anyone 
> ever installed the turbo first, and then lowered the head into place?  
> The angle of the junction between turbo and exhaust manifold is 
> working against me, but leaving things loose may allow enough slack to
overcome that.
> 
> 
> 
> Very respectfully,
> /s/
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD 337k miles (Headless Garage Queen)
> 
> '95 E300 307k miles (Daily Driver)
> 
> '73 Balboa 20
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] tire changing

[G Mann]

A little lifting instruction:  Never lift with your back. "putting your
back into it" is bad practice.  Lift with your thigh muscles, support the
tire/wheel assembly from the 3:00 / 9:00 hand position with the elbows
across the knees which locks your upper body/lower back and lets the legs
do the lifting, which they can do. Each step you take the leg muscles lift
your body weight... which is greater than a wheel...]by a lot in some
cases].

Think, squat press, at the gym, as a mental image.  And yes, a woman can do
it... even with heels on [although flats would be better, include some in
the tire change kit along with the disposable coveralls]

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> That was what I was thinking when I read it too. A tire change on a
> Suburban is not going to be easy. I know I struggle to get the wheels back
> onto my truck.
>
> Most women probably would not be able to do it. Might hurt their backs if
> they tried, too.
>
> Randy
>
> On 16/04/2012 7:57 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:
>
>> ...Teaching her to change a tire is a futile effort, and probably safer
>>> anyway to have someone come to do it on that road...
>>>
>>>  And what is the weight of the tire/wheel?
>>
>> RLE
>>
>>>
>>>  _
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy

[Rick Knoble]

I think they are very flammable vertically (I.e. In a wall), but not so much in 
a ceiling or horizontal. 

Rick
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On Apr 17, 2012, at 2:15 PM, "Rich Thomas" 
 wrote:

>  I could see the sheets could be quite flammable.

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Re: [MBZ] OM603 Turbo Install vs. Head Install

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

That's how I do it

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2012, at 1:41 PM, "Max Dillon"  wrote:

> Dieselvolk,
> 
> "
> 
> I'm working on installing the "new" head on my '87 wagon.  Has anyone ever
> installed the turbo first, and then lowered the head into place?  The angle
> of the junction between turbo and exhaust manifold is working against me,
> but leaving things loose may allow enough slack to overcome that.
> 
> 
> 
> Very respectfully,
> /s/
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD 337k miles (Headless Garage Queen)
> 
> '95 E300 307k miles (Daily Driver)
> 
> '73 Balboa 20
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy

[Rich Thomas]

Well that was me.  One side has very thin foil, one side has very thin 
plastic.  I could see the sheets could be quite flammable.  I have some 
scraps, I should try it.


--R

On 4/17/12 3:05 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Rich Thomas wrote:
Interesting.  I suppose one could cover it with something to minimize 
any flaming.


Like the bonded foil facing mentioned by the person who originally 
made the foam sheet suggestion?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] tire changing

[Curt Raymond]

Junk yard or "auto recycler" would be the place to go. Bet you can get one 
cheap.

AFAIK they're all 17mm.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:24:05 -0700
From: Dave Cavner 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] tire changing
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

Speaking of? my 90 year old neighbor - sharp as a tack (mostly) had a blow out 
in his '93 Camry recently but left the lug wrench on the roadside. He asked me 
to help find a replacement. Google has not been my friend. Anyone know what 
size I should be looking for? 

Another friend went to Pep Boys for a replacement but the guys there said they 
couldn't help. I'm thinking the friend mis-phrased the request but I wasn't 
there. It would be nice if it was the factory-standard bent wrench rather than 
the universal X shape.

Dave
SoCal

'82 240D (3 pedal)
'84 300TD (Euro)
'85 300TD (Cali)

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Re: [MBZ] OM603 Turbo Install vs. Head Install

[Craig]

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 14:41:20 -0400 "Max Dillon"
 wrote:

> I'm working on installing the "new" head on my '87 wagon.  Has anyone
> ever installed the turbo first, and then lowered the head into place?

I have heard of it being done that way, Max, but I don't recall which
model/engine. If you have a good lift that will allow you a lot of
control over the head/turbo assembly, I would think that would be the
best way to do it.

You might want to lower the exhaust pipe out of the way.


> The angle of the junction between turbo and exhaust manifold is working
> against me, but leaving things loose may allow enough slack to overcome
> that.

It might, indeed.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy

[Curt Raymond]

Last I knew the foam board would burn when hit with a flame but wouldn't 
sustain flame on its own.

I also doubt it would ignite under a "simple spark". I've seen lots of 
styrofoam burn and even when it does burn its not super easy to light.

I've got some foam board, maybe I'll see if I can light it.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:16:26 -0700 (PDT)
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To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re:  abuse of cars 2ejuremy
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Yes but according to my local fire dept, foam board insulation should under no 
circumstances be used in an exposed manner as a simple spark can ignite it 
causing it to go up in flames and emit a dark sooty cloud of smoke. I'm basing 
my statement on that alone. 

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy

[Mitch Haley]

Rich Thomas wrote:
Interesting.  I suppose one could cover it with something to minimize 
any flaming.


Like the bonded foil facing mentioned by the person who originally made the foam 
sheet suggestion?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy

[Dan Penoff]

I am surprised to hear this, as I thought the blue foam boards you see in house 
insulation would be fire resistant.

Or did I miss something?

Dan

On Apr 17, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Rich Thomas  
wrote:

> Interesting.  I suppose one could cover it with something to minimize any 
> flaming.
> 
> --R
> 
> On 4/17/12 12:16 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
>> Yes but according to my local fire dept, foam board insulation should under 
>> no circumstances be used in an exposed manner as a simple spark can ignite 
>> it causing it to go up in flames and emit a dark sooty cloud of smoke. I'm 
>> basing my statement on that alone.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 17, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Rich 
>> Thomas  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, a garage is incredibly flammable.  Gas in a car is incredibly flammable. 
>>  Gas in a can or lawnmower is incredibly flammable.  All the crap we keep in 
>> our garages is incredibly flammable.
>> 
>> As far as sinking, a 2x6 or bits of plywood...
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> On 4/17/12 11:48 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:
>> And, I think the car would sink in a bit.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>> On 16/04/2012 10:40 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
>> And incredibly flammable.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Rich 
>> Thomas   wrote:
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy

[Dieselhead]

most of the moisture in the central and eastern US is from 
condensation, not from wicking through concrete.


wrap the car in a plastic bag with lots of dessicant/oxygen-eater inside.

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[MBZ] OM603 Turbo Install vs. Head Install

[Max Dillon]

Dieselvolk,

"

I'm working on installing the "new" head on my '87 wagon.  Has anyone ever
installed the turbo first, and then lowered the head into place?  The angle
of the junction between turbo and exhaust manifold is working against me,
but leaving things loose may allow enough slack to overcome that.

 

Very respectfully,
/s/
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD 337k miles (Headless Garage Queen)

'95 E300 307k miles (Daily Driver)

'73 Balboa 20

 

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy

[Rich Thomas]

Interesting.  I suppose one could cover it with something to minimize 
any flaming.


--R

On 4/17/12 12:16 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Yes but according to my local fire dept, foam board insulation should under no 
circumstances be used in an exposed manner as a simple spark can ignite it 
causing it to go up in flames and emit a dark sooty cloud of smoke. I'm basing 
my statement on that alone.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Rich Thomas 
 wrote:

OK, a garage is incredibly flammable.  Gas in a car is incredibly flammable.  
Gas in a can or lawnmower is incredibly flammable.  All the crap we keep in our 
garages is incredibly flammable.

As far as sinking, a 2x6 or bits of plywood...

--R

On 4/17/12 11:48 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:
And, I think the car would sink in a bit.

Randy

On 16/04/2012 10:40 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
And incredibly flammable.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 16, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Rich Thomas 
  wrote:




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Re: [MBZ] Happy day, installing head on wagon

[Max]

Max  wrote:

>Taking a day off just for this job, nice cool weather too.  Parts,
>tools and car are calling me...
>-- 
>
I'm considering installing the turbo first, then put the head on.  Any one done 
it that way?

-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] tire changing

[Craig]

On Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:36:08 -0700 Alex Chamberlain
 wrote:

> On Apr 17, 2012 9:24 AM, "Dave Cavner"  wrote:
> >
> >Another friend went to Pep Boys for a
> > replacement but the guys there said
> > they couldn't help. I'm thinking the
> > friend mis-phrased the request but I
> > wasn't there.
> 
> I bet your friend phrased the request in a completely sensible way.
> Sounds like typical parts counter guy stupidity to me.  If they can't
> look it up in the computer it doesn't exist.  No concept of
> cross-referencing or of generic standardized parts that might fit a
> variety of cars.  I had one Autozone manager tell me that I should go
> to U-Pull-It to get the plastic covers for the service ports on an R134
> A/C system because "we don't carry trim parts like that."

But Rusty knows his stuff and can get Japanese parts, too!

Call him at 800-741-5252.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] tire changing

[Curt Raymond]

Really? How big are the tires? Are your women not smart enough to roll the tire 
up onto their foot to get it on the car? I guess you'd need to carry 
appropriate footwear in the car.

Maybe I need to challenge Angie to change a tire on the Ranger. I bet she can.

Actually there is a young lady working at the tire place where I got the onion 
skins for the 240D a couple weeks ago. Only thing she had trouble with was 
getting the hubcaps back on which is a struggle for everybody. Once I showed 
her how to hold the bottom with her feet and slap the top on with her hand she 
got it.

Of course I go into everything thinking "of course I can, why not?"

-Curt

Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:55:21 -0500
From: Randy Bennell 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] tire changing
Message-ID: <4f8d9269.7070...@bennell.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

That was what I was thinking when I read it too. A tire change on a 
Suburban is not going to be easy. I know I struggle to get the wheels 
back onto my truck.

Most women probably would not be able to do it. Might hurt their backs 
if they tried, too.

Randy

On 16/04/2012 7:57 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:
>> ...Teaching her to change a tire is a futile effort, and probably safer
>> anyway to have someone come to do it on that road...
>>
> And what is the weight of the tire/wheel?
>
> RLE
>>
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Re: [MBZ] tire changing

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Apr 17, 2012 9:24 AM, "Dave Cavner"  wrote:
>
>Another friend went to Pep Boys for a
> replacement but the guys there said
> they couldn't help. I'm thinking the
> friend mis-phrased the request but I
> wasn't there.

I bet your friend phrased the request in a completely sensible way.  Sounds
like typical parts counter guy stupidity to me.  If they can't look it up
in the computer it doesn't exist.  No concept of cross-referencing or of
generic standardized parts that might fit a variety of cars.  I had one
Autozone manager tell me that I should go to U-Pull-It to get the plastic
covers for the service ports on an R134 A/C system because "we don't carry
trim parts like that."

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Coleman lantern mantles

[Curt Raymond]

Phillipines actually...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:06:57 -0700
From: Jim Cathey 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coleman lantern mantels
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> Now to figure out who makes thoriated mantles; the new manufacture
> Coleman ones (that are no longer thoriated) put out at most 2/3 of the
> light (and more likely 1/2...)

China, of course!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] tire changing

[Dave Cavner]

Speaking of… my 90 year old neighbor - sharp as a tack (mostly) had a blow out 
in his '93 Camry recently but left the lug wrench on the roadside. He asked me 
to help find a replacement. Google has not been my friend. Anyone know what 
size I should be looking for? 

Another friend went to Pep Boys for a replacement but the guys there said they 
couldn't help. I'm thinking the friend mis-phrased the request but I wasn't 
there. It would be nice if it was the factory-standard bent wrench rather than 
the universal X shape.

Dave
SoCal

'82 240D (3 pedal)
'84 300TD (Euro)
'85 300TD (Cali)


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Yes but according to my local fire dept, foam board insulation should under no 
circumstances be used in an exposed manner as a simple spark can ignite it 
causing it to go up in flames and emit a dark sooty cloud of smoke. I'm basing 
my statement on that alone. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 17, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Rich Thomas 
 wrote:

OK, a garage is incredibly flammable.  Gas in a car is incredibly flammable.  
Gas in a can or lawnmower is incredibly flammable.  All the crap we keep in our 
garages is incredibly flammable.

As far as sinking, a 2x6 or bits of plywood...

--R

On 4/17/12 11:48 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:
And, I think the car would sink in a bit.

Randy

On 16/04/2012 10:40 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
And incredibly flammable.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 16, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Rich Thomas 
 wrote:



 Original Message 
Subject:Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars
Date:Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:31:19 -0400
From:Rich Thomas
To:Mercedes Discussion List



Get some of that foam board at Lowes/HD, it is cheap, and has
foil/plastic facing.  4x8 sheets, a few of those to cover your floor --
moisture barrier, insulation, and sorta soft.

--R

On 4/16/12 7:04 PM, Dave Cavner wrote:
On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Randy Bennellwrote:
I doubt it. I don't think the water comes up through the concrete. I think it 
condenses on the surface because the concrete is cold and the air is warmer and 
humid.

Randy
Moisture definitely migrates upward through slabs. The floor covering industry 
has used this test to quantify the amount for decades:
http://www.vaportest.com/Webpages/calcium_chloride_test.htm

Current thinking is rigid insulation before the pour is the best method to 
eliminate the issue. The amount of insulation depends on your climate zone. 
Current best practices outlined here:
http://www.buildingscience.com/documents/insights/bsi-059-slab-happy/

Lots of good info on that site regarding moisture content in dwellings - and 
how to solve the problem. Overkill for most retrofits.

My favorite annecdotal quote is an off-topic post from  a wood&pellet stove 
forum:
http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/75919/P0/

"  ...Somebody on here was advising under-slab insulation even for an unheated 
garage, which sounded like a pretty good idea.

Reply from a guy in SW Maine
 I have no heated slabs of the 5 on my property. I have styrofoam under 
4-and-a-half of them.  Guess where it's dark and damp in muggy or rainy 
weather. I can stack bags of grain on the slab in my rodent-proof room 
(insulated but not heated) and they never get mildewed against the floor. 
Whoever said it, I can agree with conviction based on experience."

Dave
SoCal






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Re: [MBZ] tire changing

[Rich Thomas]

Well the wheel/tire (dirty and torn up with belt wire sticking out all 
over) probably weighs 40-50lb or so.  Getting the spare off is not 
particularly easy, even when you know how to do it.  Getting the jack 
and lug wrench out of the storage area (in behind a panel in the back) 
is not particularly easy, even when you know how to do it.


Doing all this on I-95 on the shoulder, with a tire on the traffic side, 
with traffic going by at 75-80 is near suicidal.


And for (most) any of our wives

--R

On 4/17/12 11:55 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:
That was what I was thinking when I read it too. A tire change on a 
Suburban is not going to be easy. I know I struggle to get the wheels 
back onto my truck.


Most women probably would not be able to do it. Might hurt their backs 
if they tried, too.


Randy

On 16/04/2012 7:57 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

...Teaching her to change a tire is a futile effort, and probably safer
anyway to have someone come to do it on that road...


And what is the weight of the tire/wheel?

RLE



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Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars

[Randy Bennell]

If I had it to do over again, I would put styrofoam under but my garage 
was built in 1985 and the floor is still solid so I don't think I want 
to break it up and start over. My moisture problem is only a short term 
issue a couple of times a year so not too bad. Just annoying when it 
occurs. A vapour barrier and a wood floor over would maybe work but then 
the wood would be a problem. The cars drip moisture etc. I doubt I could 
keep the stuff coated in a manner that would prevent rot etc. Even 
treated plywood would not likely last very long.


Randy

On 16/04/2012 6:04 PM, Dave Cavner wrote:

On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

I doubt it. I don't think the water comes up through the concrete. I think it 
condenses on the surface because the concrete is cold and the air is warmer and 
humid.

Randy

Moisture definitely migrates upward through slabs. The floor covering industry 
has used this test to quantify the amount for decades:
http://www.vaportest.com/Webpages/calcium_chloride_test.htm

Current thinking is rigid insulation before the pour is the best method to 
eliminate the issue. The amount of insulation depends on your climate zone. 
Current best practices outlined here:
http://www.buildingscience.com/documents/insights/bsi-059-slab-happy/

Lots of good info on that site regarding moisture content in dwellings - and 
how to solve the problem. Overkill for most retrofits.

My favorite annecdotal quote is an off-topic post from  a wood&  pellet stove 
forum:
http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/75919/P0/

"  ...Somebody on here was advising under-slab insulation even for an unheated 
garage, which sounded like a pretty good idea.

Reply from a guy in SW Maine
 I have no heated slabs of the 5 on my property. I have styrofoam under 
4-and-a-half of them.  Guess where it's dark and damp in muggy or rainy weather. I 
can stack bags of grain on the slab in my rodent-proof room (insulated but not 
heated) and they never get mildewed against the floor. Whoever said it, I can agree 
with conviction based on experience."

Dave
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy

[Rich Thomas]

OK, a garage is incredibly flammable.  Gas in a car is incredibly 
flammable.  Gas in a can or lawnmower is incredibly flammable.  All the 
crap we keep in our garages is incredibly flammable.


As far as sinking, a 2x6 or bits of plywood...

--R

On 4/17/12 11:48 AM, Randy Bennell wrote:

And, I think the car would sink in a bit.

Randy

On 16/04/2012 10:40 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

And incredibly flammable.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 16, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Rich 
Thomas  wrote:




 Original Message 
Subject:Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars
Date:Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:31:19 -0400
From:Rich Thomas
To:Mercedes Discussion List



Get some of that foam board at Lowes/HD, it is cheap, and has
foil/plastic facing.  4x8 sheets, a few of those to cover your floor --
moisture barrier, insulation, and sorta soft.

--R

On 4/16/12 7:04 PM, Dave Cavner wrote:
On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Randy Bennell
wrote:
I doubt it. I don't think the water comes up through the concrete. I 
think it condenses on the surface because the concrete is cold and 
the air is warmer and humid.


Randy
Moisture definitely migrates upward through slabs. The floor covering 
industry has used this test to quantify the amount for decades:

http://www.vaportest.com/Webpages/calcium_chloride_test.htm

Current thinking is rigid insulation before the pour is the best 
method to eliminate the issue. The amount of insulation depends on 
your climate zone. Current best practices outlined here:

http://www.buildingscience.com/documents/insights/bsi-059-slab-happy/

Lots of good info on that site regarding moisture content in 
dwellings - and how to solve the problem. Overkill for most retrofits.


My favorite annecdotal quote is an off-topic post from  a wood&
pellet stove forum:

http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/75919/P0/

"  ...Somebody on here was advising under-slab insulation even for an 
unheated garage, which sounded like a pretty good idea.


Reply from a guy in SW Maine
  I have no heated slabs of the 5 on my property. I have 
styrofoam under 4-and-a-half of them.  Guess where it's dark and damp 
in muggy or rainy weather. I can stack bags of grain on the slab in 
my rodent-proof room (insulated but not heated) and they never get 
mildewed against the floor. Whoever said it, I can agree with 
conviction based on experience."


Dave
SoCal







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Re: [MBZ] tire changing

[Randy Bennell]

That was what I was thinking when I read it too. A tire change on a 
Suburban is not going to be easy. I know I struggle to get the wheels 
back onto my truck.


Most women probably would not be able to do it. Might hurt their backs 
if they tried, too.


Randy

On 16/04/2012 7:57 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

...Teaching her to change a tire is a futile effort, and probably safer
anyway to have someone come to do it on that road...


And what is the weight of the tire/wheel?

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Re: [MBZ] How do you like the dash overlay?

[Randy Bennell]

But sometimes it is a cool idea. I still like the trailer fenders made 
out of tractor tires. A bit rugged looking but they look like they work 
well.


Randy

On 16/04/2012 10:37 PM, G Mann wrote:

A second frontal lobotomy should cure all residual illness of the
inventor.  I can see the first one has had full effect.

On occasion you see something and think "What were they thinking". then
the answer comes "They weren't"

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Craig  wrote:


On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:15:15 -0500 Randy Bennell
wrote:


Would not want to be in an accident.

I agree.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy

[Randy Bennell]

And, I think the car would sink in a bit.

Randy

On 16/04/2012 10:40 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

And incredibly flammable.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 16, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Rich Thomas 
 wrote:



 Original Message 
Subject:Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars
Date:Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:31:19 -0400
From:Rich Thomas
To:Mercedes Discussion List



Get some of that foam board at Lowes/HD, it is cheap, and has
foil/plastic facing.  4x8 sheets, a few of those to cover your floor --
moisture barrier, insulation, and sorta soft.

--R

On 4/16/12 7:04 PM, Dave Cavner wrote:
On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Randy Bennellwrote:
I doubt it. I don't think the water comes up through the concrete. I think it 
condenses on the surface because the concrete is cold and the air is warmer and 
humid.

Randy
Moisture definitely migrates upward through slabs. The floor covering industry 
has used this test to quantify the amount for decades:
http://www.vaportest.com/Webpages/calcium_chloride_test.htm

Current thinking is rigid insulation before the pour is the best method to 
eliminate the issue. The amount of insulation depends on your climate zone. 
Current best practices outlined here:
http://www.buildingscience.com/documents/insights/bsi-059-slab-happy/

Lots of good info on that site regarding moisture content in dwellings - and 
how to solve the problem. Overkill for most retrofits.

My favorite annecdotal quote is an off-topic post from  a wood&pellet stove 
forum:
http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/75919/P0/

"  ...Somebody on here was advising under-slab insulation even for an unheated 
garage, which sounded like a pretty good idea.

Reply from a guy in SW Maine
  I have no heated slabs of the 5 on my property. I have styrofoam under 
4-and-a-half of them.  Guess where it's dark and damp in muggy or rainy weather. I 
can stack bags of grain on the slab in my rodent-proof room (insulated but not 
heated) and they never get mildewed against the floor. Whoever said it, I can agree 
with conviction based on experience."

Dave
SoCal







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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy

[Dan Penoff]

True.

My concern would be to prevent moisture from coming up out of the slab and 
condensing on the bottom of the car. It won't totally eliminate moisture from 
the slab escaping into the ambient air, just act as a barrier to protect the 
car.

Dan

On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:58 AM,"WILTON"  wrote:

> How ya gonna seal it at edges; moisture comes up under the sheets just like 
> under paint or epoxy; 'gonna get out somehow.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Rich Thomas" 
> 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:33 PM
> Subject: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Original Message 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars
>> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:31:19 -0400
>> From: Rich Thomas 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Get some of that foam board at Lowes/HD, it is cheap, and has
>> foil/plastic facing.  4x8 sheets, a few of those to cover your floor --
>> moisture barrier, insulation, and sorta soft.
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> On 4/16/12 7:04 PM, Dave Cavner wrote:
>>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Randy Bennell   wrote:
 I doubt it. I don't think the water comes up through the concrete. I think 
 it condenses on the surface because the concrete is cold and the air is 
 warmer and humid.
 
 Randy
>>> Moisture definitely migrates upward through slabs. The floor covering 
>>> industry has used this test to quantify the amount for decades:
>>> http://www.vaportest.com/Webpages/calcium_chloride_test.htm
>>> 
>>> Current thinking is rigid insulation before the pour is the best method to 
>>> eliminate the issue. The amount of insulation depends on your climate zone. 
>>> Current best practices outlined here:
>>> http://www.buildingscience.com/documents/insights/bsi-059-slab-happy/
>>> 
>>> Lots of good info on that site regarding moisture content in dwellings - 
>>> and how to solve the problem. Overkill for most retrofits.
>>> 
>>> My favorite annecdotal quote is an off-topic post from  a wood&   pellet 
>>> stove forum:
>>> http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/75919/P0/
>>> 
>>> "  ...Somebody on here was advising under-slab insulation even for an 
>>> unheated garage, which sounded like a pretty good idea.
>>> 
>>> Reply from a guy in SW Maine
>>>  I have no heated slabs of the 5 on my property. I have styrofoam under 
>>> 4-and-a-half of them.  Guess where it's dark and damp in muggy or rainy 
>>> weather. I can stack bags of grain on the slab in my rodent-proof room 
>>> (insulated but not heated) and they never get mildewed against the floor. 
>>> Whoever said it, I can agree with conviction based on experience."
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> SoCal
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Yard Lighting Quandary

[Dan Penoff]

There is a gay car show here every year over in St. Pete.

I went to it once with my gay college buddy, Amy. She introduced me to a number 
of folks with some really, really nice cars...

Dan

On Apr 17, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Rich Thomas  
wrote:

> I went to a gay car show once.  It did not have gay cars (no Subarus, they 
> were all actually pretty cool old dtroit iron) but the car owners were 
> gay.  Aside from the fact it was like 2 women and 2 men sitting in the 
> folding chairs by the cars, it was pretty normal.  It was put on by a gay car 
> club (well actually gay owners of cars) in Houston  http://-houston.org/  
> I got put on to it by my car insurance agent, who, along with his partner, 
> owned an Eldo convertible like mine, though in perfect condition.  They 
> called the car Sassy, "because that is what she is."
> 
> --R
> 
> On 4/16/12 11:30 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
>> Haha. She's not gay! It was a gay-ass art fair thing!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Apr 16, 2012, at 11:24 PM, Rich 
>> Thomas  wrote:
>> 
>> I am trying to wrap my head around the fact your girlfriend is gay.  I can't 
>> quite figure the deal out.  The possibilities boggle...
>> 
>> --R
>> 
>> On 4/16/12 11:04 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
>> I'm planning on coming. Missed it last yr because I had to help the gf in DC 
>> with some gay art fair thing.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Yard Lighting Quandary

[WILTON]

No, no, don't stop it yet.  It was only getting better.  ;<)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dimitri Seretakis" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Yard Lighting Quandary


You guys r killin me. OK, it was a lovely art fair where I had to sit 
behind a table under a tent in the sweltering heat to help her sell her 
pottery and handmade jewelry. No gays, no posteriors, no rainbow flags.


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 16, 2012, at 11:31 PM, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:

So it was all pictures of the posterior sections of happy people?

Walt
On Apr 16, 2012 11:30 PM, "Dimitri Seretakis"  
wrote:


Haha. She's not gay! It was a gay-ass art fair thing!

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 16, 2012, at 11:24 PM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

I am trying to wrap my head around the fact your girlfriend is gay.  I
can't quite figure the deal out.  The possibilities boggle...

--R

On 4/16/12 11:04 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
I'm planning on coming. Missed it last yr because I had to help the gf in
DC with some gay art fair thing.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy

[WILTON]

How ya gonna seal it at edges; moisture comes up under the sheets just like 
under paint or epoxy; 'gonna get out somehow.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:33 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy





 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] abuse of cars
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:31:19 -0400
From: Rich Thomas 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 



Get some of that foam board at Lowes/HD, it is cheap, and has
foil/plastic facing.  4x8 sheets, a few of those to cover your floor --
moisture barrier, insulation, and sorta soft.

--R

On 4/16/12 7:04 PM, Dave Cavner wrote:

 On Apr 16, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Randy Bennell   wrote:
 I doubt it. I don't think the water comes up through the concrete. I 
think it condenses on the surface because the concrete is cold and the 
air is warmer and humid.


 Randy
 Moisture definitely migrates upward through slabs. The floor covering 
industry has used this test to quantify the amount for decades:

 http://www.vaportest.com/Webpages/calcium_chloride_test.htm

 Current thinking is rigid insulation before the pour is the best method 
to eliminate the issue. The amount of insulation depends on your climate 
zone. Current best practices outlined here:

 http://www.buildingscience.com/documents/insights/bsi-059-slab-happy/

 Lots of good info on that site regarding moisture content in dwellings - 
and how to solve the problem. Overkill for most retrofits.


 My favorite annecdotal quote is an off-topic post from  a wood&   pellet 
stove forum:

 http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/75919/P0/

 "  ...Somebody on here was advising under-slab insulation even for an 
unheated garage, which sounded like a pretty good idea.


 Reply from a guy in SW Maine
  I have no heated slabs of the 5 on my property. I have styrofoam 
under 4-and-a-half of them.  Guess where it's dark and damp in muggy or 
rainy weather. I can stack bags of grain on the slab in my rodent-proof 
room (insulated but not heated) and they never get mildewed against the 
floor. Whoever said it, I can agree with conviction based on experience."


 Dave
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Yard Lighting Quandary

[Rich Thomas]

I went to a gay car show once.  It did not have gay cars (no Subarus, 
they were all actually pretty cool old dtroit iron) but the car 
owners were gay.  Aside from the fact it was like 2 women and 2 men 
sitting in the folding chairs by the cars, it was pretty normal.  It was 
put on by a gay car club (well actually gay owners of cars) in Houston  
http://-houston.org/  I got put on to it by my car insurance agent, 
who, along with his partner, owned an Eldo convertible like mine, though 
in perfect condition.  They called the car Sassy, "because that is what 
she is."


--R

On 4/16/12 11:30 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Haha. She's not gay! It was a gay-ass art fair thing!

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 16, 2012, at 11:24 PM, Rich Thomas 
 wrote:

I am trying to wrap my head around the fact your girlfriend is gay.  I can't 
quite figure the deal out.  The possibilities boggle...

--R

On 4/16/12 11:04 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
I'm planning on coming. Missed it last yr because I had to help the gf in DC 
with some gay art fair thing.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Coleman lantern mantels

[G Mann]

That's "Breeding Pool" .. not "Breeding Poll"... it's such an arousing
opportunity I failed to run spell check, it seems... where was my mind...
hmmm.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 6:18 AM, G Mann  wrote:

> A secret not taught at Ivy League Institutions of Higher Learning in
> Business Management degrees ,apparently, is you need a cheap and expendable
> breeding poll to support the production of hazardous materials for sale to
> the general population in order to become overwhelmingly successful.
>
> This is why you should learn to either breed in abundance and quickly, or
> learn to speak Chinese in this lifetime.
>
> Volunteers for either program?  I can see the ad campaign now on evening
> prime time "Wanted: Fertile women to out breed Chinese competition, apply
> now" [something on the order of "J.G. Wentworth"]  "Remember, America needs
> expendable workers daily" 
> "Barefoot, Pregnant, and Producing at home is the new glass ceiling for
> women of the future".
>
> Come on guys... any takers?  It's a business opportunity in a down economy
> after all.. It is a program that is sure to "rise" . ;))
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
>
>>  Now to figure out who makes thoriated mantles; the new manufacture
>>> Coleman ones (that are no longer thoriated) put out at most 2/3 of the
>>> light (and more likely 1/2...)
>>>
>>
>> China, of course!
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Coleman lantern mantels

[G Mann]

A secret not taught at Ivy League Institutions of Higher Learning in
Business Management degrees ,apparently, is you need a cheap and expendable
breeding poll to support the production of hazardous materials for sale to
the general population in order to become overwhelmingly successful.

This is why you should learn to either breed in abundance and quickly, or
learn to speak Chinese in this lifetime.

Volunteers for either program?  I can see the ad campaign now on evening
prime time "Wanted: Fertile women to out breed Chinese competition, apply
now" [something on the order of "J.G. Wentworth"]  "Remember, America needs
expendable workers daily" 
"Barefoot, Pregnant, and Producing at home is the new glass ceiling for
women of the future".

Come on guys... any takers?  It's a business opportunity in a down economy
after all.. It is a program that is sure to "rise" . ;))

On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

> Now to figure out who makes thoriated mantles; the new manufacture
>> Coleman ones (that are no longer thoriated) put out at most 2/3 of the
>> light (and more likely 1/2...)
>>
>
> China, of course!
>
> -- Jim
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[MBZ] Happy day, installing head on wagon

[Max]

Taking a day off just for this job, nice cool weather too.  Parts, tools and 
car are calling me...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] OT - annoying drivers

[Max]

Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Self-centered,   "me! me! Me!"   egomaniac   self-righteous
>
>
>>Rolling roadblock, aggressive driving.
>>
>
>  
Last time such happened to me, I was close enough to get a tag number.  Called 
highway patrol, they were very interested, but the offender exited the highway 
while I was talking to the dispatcher.  I reported the exit number, they wanted 
my phone number and name, but I never heard back.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] OT fedora server

[Fmiser]

> Dieselhead wrote:

>   picked up a dell 2650 with a fresh install of fedora.
> Anybody familiar with this OS for a server?

Fedora is a distribution of Linux.  Formerly RedHat.

> I am wondering if it has something like AD group policies
> similar to M$ Server 2000/2003/2008.  If so, I can learn to
> use it.  Otherwise I can put 2003R2 on it.

Can't comment on the comparison to MSWin - I'm pretty clueless
there.  But by default it will at least have the EXT
user/group/other with read/write/execute.

> Its intended use will be data storage for a small business
> with 4 or 5 computers (XP) and same number of users.
> Fortunately none of the computers I have looked at so far are
> Wissta.

It should be a fine Samba server...

> I would like to use the GPOs to redirect the users' "My
> Documents" to the server, among other things.  (such as
> severely restricting what users can do.)

Whew!  To much MSWin-speak for me to follow.  Sorry I can't
guide you further.  But I have heard Linux with Samba is better
a serving MS shares than a MSWin server.

-- Philip

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