Re: [MBZ] crisp Logic

[Hendrik & Fay]

Ummnhn.they are crispy and flat?

Hendrik
who wants pancakes now

On 01/06/12 11:54, relng...@aol.com wrote:

...Wggger. it's called "Logic" which may be a foreign word to
you.

Sarcastic humor aside, do the math. The electric oil pump fails, engine
failure follows, car sets on tow truck using zero fuel while racking up
miles as a passenger on said truck.. are you not capable of
visualization and calculation at the same time?..


Sometimes you might consider holding off on the pointless interjections to
what I thought was a civilized conversation.

I've been wondering whether you have any thoughts about crispy pancakes.

RLE







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Re: [MBZ] chains excite me

[Hendrik & Fay]

Timing belt life is generally 100k kilometers.
The chain life of the single M102 engines is the same, plus the guides 
and tensioners like to crap out too, so inspection is a must every now 
and then.


Hendrik
who is due to change the timing belt in the Izuzu.

On 01/06/12 11:48, relng...@aol.com wrote:

...No, but its a pain to have to change a timing belt every 100,000 miles
for
$500+ when a chain could last 300,000 - 1,000,000 miles...


Having read hundreds of posts about timing chains here and elsewhere over
the last 15 years or so, I do believe your mileage life figures are just a
wee bit optimistic.

Same for timing belts. On a non-interference engine it does not make much
difference as long as you don't mind hitchiking. As to the rest, the engine
can be destroyed and no sane person would go anywhere near 100K miles.

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Re: [MBZ] Petroleum prices [was: Re: tire opinion] 0yhe3y7a

[Rick Knoble]

Jun 1, 2012, at 10:45 PM, "Craig"  wrote:

> My records say prices peaked around 13 Jul 08; regular was $4.089/gal and
> diesel was $4.809/gal.
> 
> Prices dropped to $1.589/gal for regular and $2.329/gal for diesel on
> 29 Dec 08.
> 
> I'd attach a graph, but its larger than the 40 kilobyte approval limit
> (about 180 kB, actually) and would delay things.

Here you go. 

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pri_gnd_dcus_nus_w.htm

Rick
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[MBZ] Petroleum prices [was: Re: tire opinion]

[Craig]

On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond
 wrote:

> Say what? Gas is under $4 now, some places probably under $3.50. 3
> years ago was 2009, gas has been over $2 at least since 2005 which is
> as far back as I have record of in my fuel economy spreadsheet. I know
> I have records back to 2003 somewhere. So no, fuel prices have NOT
> doubled in the last 2 years, in 2005 I paid $2.57/gal for diesel, today
> I'm looking at $3.79, only $1.22 increase.

My records say prices peaked around 13 Jul 08; regular was $4.089/gal and
diesel was $4.809/gal.

Prices dropped to $1.589/gal for regular and $2.329/gal for diesel on
29 Dec 08.

I'd attach a graph, but its larger than the 40 kilobyte approval limit
(about 180 kB, actually) and would delay things.


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

[Dieselhead]

Gee, who knew a Hyundai could go that fast??

Randy


I do.  My associate has  one (2011 I think) and it goes fast and gets 
good gas mileage.  It is the only car made in the last 30 years, 
outside a long 126, that I don't mind riding in the back seat.  32 to 
25 mpg for a car that size is pretty good.  Makes a 240D look like a 
"gashog" on a fuel cost per mile basis.


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Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

[Dieselhead]

Yeah, I put off buying some last year.  Now I have to try to find 
some that will last more than a couple years for a low annual mileage 
cockaroach, uh I mean 240D.  I need to clean out the interior, touch 
up some paint spots, put tars on and get it licensed, and it should 
be ready to go.


I think I will look at kellys and coopers.

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Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

[John Reames]

The 123 tires have gotten pricey too, since they are falling out of favor.

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On Jun 1, 2012, at 8:13, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Allan Streib wrote:
>> Yeah but it seems that tires have not just gone up, they've about
>> doubled since I last shopped (a couple of years ago).
> 
> Seems that way, doesn't it?
> I just checked, my last order of 195/65-15 H rated Generals was $67.50 
> shipped in August of 2008.
> Now it's $87.25. If you factor in the $50 rebate I got, it's $55 vs $87.25.
> Not double, but still steep.
> What's double is going from 15" 190D tires then to 16" E320 tires now.
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[MBZ] And now for something entirely different

[RELNGSON]

http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/jay-leno-goes-bollywood-gives-tata-nano-hot-143656002.html

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

[Russ Williams]

80 Mph isn't fast

On 6/1/2012 10:41, Randy Bennell wrote:


Gee, who knew a Hyundai could go that fast??

Randy

On 31/05/2012 7:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car 
accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The 
car began accelerating against the driver's will and crashed into 
another car at the speed of 129 km/hsnip


http://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/17-05-2012/121154-hyundai_sonata-0/ 



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[MBZ] Fwd: Re: tire opinion e3u4ama3

[Rich Thomas]

 Original Message 
Subject:Re: [MBZ] tire opinion
Date:   Fri, 01 Jun 2012 17:58:39 -0400
From:   Rich Thomas 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 



It's the "War for Oil" that has really brought prices down, what with
all that oil the US has seized.

--R

On 6/1/12 5:47 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

 Say what? Gas is under $4 now, some places probably under $3.50. 3 years ago 
was 2009, gas has been over $2 at least since 2005 which is as far back as I 
have record of in my fuel economy spreadsheet. I know I have records back to 
2003 somewhere.
 So no, fuel prices have NOT doubled in the last 2 years, in 2005 I paid 
$2.57/gal for diesel, today I'm looking at $3.79, only $1.22 increase.

 There is more drilling now than there has been in the last who knows how long. Remember 
"Drill baby drill" from 4 years ago? Whats it done for us?

 Energy independence will not lower the price of gas one cent.

 -Curt

 Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:21:04 -0400
 From: Larry T
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] tire opinion
 Message-ID:<4fc91620.2070...@comcast.net>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

 Along with the spiraling deficit, fuel prices have doubled in the last 3
 years and dragged everything with it.  There's nothing that gets to the
 consumer without the use of fossil fuels - often more than once -  for
 instance, a shipboard container, goes on a train then to a truck.

 I won't go into the vast fuel reserves we have within our borders - it's
 been well explained in the past --  with an halfway decent energy plan
 this country could be energy independent in a few years...

 LarryT
 91 300D

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Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

[Curt Raymond]

Say what? Gas is under $4 now, some places probably under $3.50. 3 years ago 
was 2009, gas has been over $2 at least since 2005 which is as far back as I 
have record of in my fuel economy spreadsheet. I know I have records back to 
2003 somewhere.
So no, fuel prices have NOT doubled in the last 2 years, in 2005 I paid 
$2.57/gal for diesel, today I'm looking at $3.79, only $1.22 increase.

There is more drilling now than there has been in the last who knows how long. 
Remember "Drill baby drill" from 4 years ago? Whats it done for us?

Energy independence will not lower the price of gas one cent.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:21:04 -0400
From: Larry T 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] tire opinion
Message-ID: <4fc91620.2070...@comcast.net>
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Along with the spiraling deficit, fuel prices have doubled in the last 3 
years and dragged everything with it.  There's nothing that gets to the 
consumer without the use of fossil fuels - often more than once -  for 
instance, a shipboard container, goes on a train then to a truck.

I won't go into the vast fuel reserves we have within our borders - it's 
been well explained in the past --  with an halfway decent energy plan 
this country could be energy independent in a few years...

LarryT
91 300D

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Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

[Randy Bennell]

On 01/06/2012 4:01 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
I hope I don't have to deal with that issue. I would have a problem. 
My poor old diesel won't stop unless I get out and push the lever 
under the hood. I might have to look for a pole to put the front 
bumper against and leave it in gear to keep the revs down while I got 
out to stop it.


Randy who needs to fix the da*ned thing



I always like having the old diesels unhooked.  That way I could push 
the start button in, lock the steering, take the key, lock the doors 
and walk away leaving it idle.  The car was secure, un-maneuverable, 
and stayed warm in the winter for a short stop.


I took a VW K-G hood cable, mounted it under the dash, and fastened 
the cable in where the shutoff was supposed to be.  If I wanted to, 
then I could pull the knob and shut er down.  Works great!  Much 
better than the factory start-stop.


190Dc
200D



Very cool idea. I might just try that.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

[Dieselhead]

I hope I don't have to deal with that issue. I would have a problem. 
My poor old diesel won't stop unless I get out and push the lever 
under the hood. I might have to look for a pole to put the front 
bumper against and leave it in gear to keep the revs down while I 
got out to stop it.


Randy who needs to fix the da*ned thing



I always like having the old diesels unhooked.  That way I could push 
the start button in, lock the steering, take the key, lock the doors 
and walk away leaving it idle.  The car was secure, un-maneuverable, 
and stayed warm in the winter for a short stop.


I took a VW K-G hood cable, mounted it under the dash, and fastened 
the cable in where the shutoff was supposed to be.  If I wanted to, 
then I could pull the knob and shut er down.  Works great!  Much 
better than the factory start-stop.


190Dc
200D

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Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

[Randy Bennell]

I hope I don't have to deal with that issue. I would have a problem. My 
poor old diesel won't stop unless I get out and push the lever under the 
hood. I might have to look for a pole to put the front bumper against 
and leave it in gear to keep the revs down while I got out to stop it.


Randy who needs to fix the da*ned thing

On 01/06/2012 2:33 PM, Larry T wrote:
After a recent incident in my 91 300D I am even more skeptical of 
these unintended accelerations.  As I accelerated up the on ramp the 
cruise control linkage dropped loose and became jammed against the 
engine keeping us at full acceleration.  We were passing through 65 
when I realized it and immediately applied the brakes.  The brakes had 
no problem slowing the car as I pulled over to the side of the 
interstate.   As I was almost stopped I turned the key off and we 
stopped with no drama.IIRC more cars have brakes designed to hold 
back twice as much HP as a car has.


Then again, I think about the incredibly stupid public driving around 
loose in the US -


LarryT
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Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

[Randy Bennell]

On 01/06/2012 1:56 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

On Jun 1, 2012, at 12:32 PM, rdeaf...@aol.com wrote:


Even my bodyshop friend said that I saved over 2  grand
on the work I did .Strokes does many wonders !!


I'll pass on the stroke, thanks.

Rick
Who sometimes IS a stroke...
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Then, y'all be careful. Get your blood pressure checked out.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] 83 300SD Vacuum connections

[alanduff]

Thanks Rich:

There are several open connections on the box that sits on the valve cover. If 
the CD has the photo diagram that might help me make the hookup. I have two 
lines and four connectors if I remember correctly. The valve cover was bad so I 
had to order another one and my memory faded while waiting.
Same thing with the fuel linkage, I think I put it together correctly, but a 
diagram would help. Got a piece of a vacuum line today to replace the one going 
to the turbo, it was hard a brittle and also broke on valve cover removal.
Pieced it together to last night to warm the tranny to change the fluid. The 
car was a total slug so I don't know it it is vacuum lines, fuel linkage or no 
turbo.

Alan


 On Fri 06/ 1/12 11:30 AM , Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net 
sent:
> I can take a pic a bit later and send it to you.  I also have the CDs if
> you want a copy.
> 
> --R
> 
> On 6/1/12 11:19 AM, alanduff
> @knology.net wrote:> I need a diagram or photo of the vacuum connections
> on the box on top of the valve cover. I don't have the repair CD, the one
> for the 300D is different. The dry hoses at the front connection broke
> apart and I don't know how to hook together. Has fouled with the tranny
> shifting and maybe the turbo.>
> >
> > Thanks
> > Alan Duff
> > Knoxville, TN
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

[Walt Zarnoch]

Raises hand...

Walt
On Jun 1, 2012 11:41 AM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:

>
> Gee, who knew a Hyundai could go that fast??
>
> Randy
>
> On 31/05/2012 7:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
>
>> The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car
>> accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The car
>> began accelerating against the driver's will and crashed into another car
>> at the speed of 129 km/hsnip
>>
>> http://english.pravda.ru/news/**hotspots/17-05-2012/121154-**
>> hyundai_sonata-0/
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Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

[Larry T]

After a recent incident in my 91 300D I am even more skeptical of these 
unintended accelerations.  As I accelerated up the on ramp the cruise 
control linkage dropped loose and became jammed against the engine 
keeping us at full acceleration.  We were passing through 65 when I 
realized it and immediately applied the brakes.  The brakes had no 
problem slowing the car as I pulled over to the side of the 
interstate.   As I was almost stopped I turned the key off and we 
stopped with no drama.IIRC more cars have brakes designed to hold 
back twice as much HP as a car has.


Then again, I think about the incredibly stupid public driving around 
loose in the US -


LarryT
91 300D


On 5/31/2012 8:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car 
accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The 
car began accelerating against the driver's will and crashed into 
another car at the speed of 129 km/hsnip


http://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/17-05-2012/121154-hyundai_sonata-0/ 



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Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

[Larry T]

Along with the spiraling deficit, fuel prices have doubled in the last 3 
years and dragged everything with it.  There's nothing that gets to the 
consumer without the use of fossil fuels - often more than once -  for 
instance, a shipboard container, goes on a train then to a truck.


I won't go into the vast fuel reserves we have within our borders - it's 
been well explained in the past --  with an halfway decent energy plan 
this country could be energy independent in a few years...


LarryT
91 300D

On 6/1/2012 8:17 AM, Gerry Archer wrote:




Craig  writes:

I'm shocked at how much the price of tires has gone up the past
couple of years.


Everything is going up. When you get all those extra trillions of
dollars our children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren have been
obligated to pay chasing the same amount of goods, the price of things
has to go up.



Yeah but it seems that tires have not just gone up, they've about
doubled since I last shopped (a couple of years ago).
Allan
1983 300D
1979 300SD

Tire Rack and similar websites seem to have the best prices, but 
around here at least, the dealers  charge higher prices for mounting 
the mailorder tires such that little or nothing is saved by ordering 
them.
I've seen several simple tire changing machines at Harbor Freight and 
other sources.  Have you or others had any experience with them?  I 
seem to remember prices in the $150 range for the machines which would 
be paid for after mounting two sets of tires. Balancing can be done by 
using a hub clamped in a vice and lubricated with very light oil.  Did 
that in years gone by.

Gerry



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Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

[Rick Knoble]

On Jun 1, 2012, at 12:32 PM, rdeaf...@aol.com wrote:

> Even my bodyshop friend said that I saved over 2  grand 
> on the work I did .Strokes does many wonders !!


I'll pass on the stroke, thanks. 

Rick
Who sometimes IS a stroke...
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Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

[Dieselhead]

Yup absolutely!   WallySams tars are poor.  the game is to keep you 
coming in and buying more there.  when I ran their tars, I was in 
once-twice a year for adjustment/replacement.  Once I quit that 
cycle, I don't buy nearly as many tars.


BTW, Kelley generally is a good tire.  It is an old brand.  I don't 
know who owns them now.





I've been leery about buying Walmart tires since they contract with 
the mfg'ers.

After Sears started selling Michelins, it soon became apparent that the Sears
Michelins were inferior to the tire dealer Michelins.  Walmart could 
be doing the same

although I haven't heard anything similar about their tires.
Gerry



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Re: [MBZ] Pancakes with crispy edges

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I think it was 3m that did that

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> Could be.
> 
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> on some rural ISP that was the equivalent of two soup cans and a piece of 
> string.
> 
> Dan
> 
> On Jun 1, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
> 
>> Hank may be mellowing. I think I remember him asking a question about 
>> something he did not claim to know all about.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>> On 01/06/2012 10:50 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
>>> The crispy pancake reference goes back a long time to the Ritter list when 
>>> "Hank", G-d's gift to anything automotive or mechanical, took over 
>>> administrating the list. Maybe even before that point, as my memory is a 
>>> bit cloudy regarding the details.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, Hank pretty much knew everything about anything, and often regaled 
>>> the list about his experiences, some of which involved his service during 
>>> WWII, and many that involved pre-WWII autos, such as Packards.
>>> 
>>> One time after one of Hank's lengthy diatribes, someone on Banned used a 
>>> web site that allows you to create your own cartoon strips.
>>> 
>>> They made one up about Hank with a reference to how he used to cook 
>>> pancakes with crispy edges for the soldiers in Korea.
>>> 
>>> I have a copy of the strip on my desktop machine that I will post to the 
>>> list when I get home, unless someone beats me to it.
>>> 
>>> In context, it was funny as hell. Not having been around at that time, it 
>>> loses something in translation...
>>> 
>>> Dan who likes his pancakes crispy
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

[Dieselhead]

OOPS should have been 1936.  I think 1936-1939 were about the same .


Welcome to 1932, where a set of tires cost more than a lot of used 
cars.  Both courtesy of "progressive" socialist regimes.



Mitch Haley  writes:


 What's double is going from 15" 190D tires then to 16" E320 tires now.


The worst shocker was that it's going to cost me over $800 for new tires
for my Nissan Frontier, which I will need before winter.  I know truck
tires are more, but over $200 each for a "non-major" brand name seems
just astounding.

Allan
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1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

[RDeafBoy]

"Miracle Paint" .  When I could not temporarily drive due  to my stroke,I 
repaired 5 rust holes following Bergsma's Rust repair manual. 3  years later 
it still looks new. Even my bodyshop friend said that I saved over 2  grand 
on the work I did .Strokes does many wonders !! 
  Buy the Miracle paint direct in New  Jersey. Expensive but this stuff 
works. I even rebuilt my driver's floor in my  '69 Austin America.[using 
the MP & fiberglass sheet method ] Hard as metal  .
 
Bob
 1983 240D
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Re: [MBZ] Pancakes with crispy edges

[Dan Penoff]

Could be.

I think he has retreated a bit after trying to manage the list and hosting it 
on some rural ISP that was the equivalent of two soup cans and a piece of 
string.

Dan

On Jun 1, 2012, at 11:55 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> Hank may be mellowing. I think I remember him asking a question about 
> something he did not claim to know all about.
> 
> Randy
> 
> On 01/06/2012 10:50 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
>> The crispy pancake reference goes back a long time to the Ritter list when 
>> "Hank", G-d's gift to anything automotive or mechanical, took over 
>> administrating the list. Maybe even before that point, as my memory is a bit 
>> cloudy regarding the details.
>> 
>> Anyway, Hank pretty much knew everything about anything, and often regaled 
>> the list about his experiences, some of which involved his service during 
>> WWII, and many that involved pre-WWII autos, such as Packards.
>> 
>> One time after one of Hank's lengthy diatribes, someone on Banned used a web 
>> site that allows you to create your own cartoon strips.
>> 
>> They made one up about Hank with a reference to how he used to cook pancakes 
>> with crispy edges for the soldiers in Korea.
>> 
>> I have a copy of the strip on my desktop machine that I will post to the 
>> list when I get home, unless someone beats me to it.
>> 
>> In context, it was funny as hell. Not having been around at that time, it 
>> loses something in translation...
>> 
>> Dan who likes his pancakes crispy
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

[David Bruckmann]

Actually, this has more to do with the fact that prices for both rubber and 
carbon black have been at record highs lately. Rubber because of severe weather 
in Asia in 2010, and carbon black because of industry consolidation (one less 
supplier in the market has raised prices). And high oil prices haven't helped 
either for the latter. 


On 2012-06-01, Rick Knoble wrote:

> They (our government) raised tariffs on Chinese tires a few years ago. It has 
> allowed domestic manufacturers to raise prices accordingly.

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Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

[Curt Raymond]

I agree completely. Spend an afternoon giving the inside of the new fender a 
POR15 treatment before going to the body shop and you'll be way ahead.

Even "rust free" on a used fender doesn't mean "won't bubble with rust 
tomorrow".

-Curt

Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 06:03:29 -0700
From: G Mann 
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At $308. each, that only accounts for 3 shop hours at a decent body shop. 3
hrs to repair, to paint standard, a rusty fender, is on the low side. Plus,
when you are done, it's still a rusty fender under the paint.

Even with shipping costs, the $308 figure, IMHO, would be the better
investment. You start with a clean, no rust, set of fenders, then paint
them off the car. Undercoat or preserve the back side and have a much nicer
end result.

FWIW,

Grant...AZ [where even bare metal takes years to rust, and decades to rust
through]

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Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

[Curt Raymond]

One wonders how much the price of oil is directly reflected in the price of 
tires? Tires are synthetic rubber made from oil right?

-Curt

Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:32:03 -0400
From: Allan Streib 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] tire opinion
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Mitch Haley  writes:

> What's double is going from 15" 190D tires then to 16" E320 tires now.

The worst shocker was that it's going to cost me over $800 for new tires
for my Nissan Frontier, which I will need before winter.  I know truck
tires are more, but over $200 each for a "non-major" brand name seems
just astounding.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1979 300SD


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Re: [MBZ] Pancakes with crispy edges

[Randy Bennell]

Hank may be mellowing. I think I remember him asking a question about 
something he did not claim to know all about.


Randy

On 01/06/2012 10:50 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:

The crispy pancake reference goes back a long time to the Ritter list when 
"Hank", G-d's gift to anything automotive or mechanical, took over 
administrating the list. Maybe even before that point, as my memory is a bit cloudy 
regarding the details.

Anyway, Hank pretty much knew everything about anything, and often regaled the 
list about his experiences, some of which involved his service during WWII, and 
many that involved pre-WWII autos, such as Packards.

One time after one of Hank's lengthy diatribes, someone on Banned used a web 
site that allows you to create your own cartoon strips.

They made one up about Hank with a reference to how he used to cook pancakes 
with crispy edges for the soldiers in Korea.

I have a copy of the strip on my desktop machine that I will post to the list 
when I get home, unless someone beats me to it.

In context, it was funny as hell. Not having been around at that time, it loses 
something in translation...

Dan who likes his pancakes crispy





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Re: [MBZ] Logic

[Dan Penoff]

The crispy pancake reference goes back a long time to the Ritter list when 
"Hank", G-d's gift to anything automotive or mechanical, took over 
administrating the list. Maybe even before that point, as my memory is a bit 
cloudy regarding the details.

Anyway, Hank pretty much knew everything about anything, and often regaled the 
list about his experiences, some of which involved his service during WWII, and 
many that involved pre-WWII autos, such as Packards.

One time after one of Hank's lengthy diatribes, someone on Banned used a web 
site that allows you to create your own cartoon strips.

They made one up about Hank with a reference to how he used to cook pancakes 
with crispy edges for the soldiers in Korea.

I have a copy of the strip on my desktop machine that I will post to the list 
when I get home, unless someone beats me to it.

In context, it was funny as hell. Not having been around at that time, it loses 
something in translation...

Dan who likes his pancakes crispy

On May 31, 2012, at 11:06 PM, Rick Knoble  wrote:

> On May 31, 2012, at 9:24 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:
> 
>> I've been wondering whether you have any thoughts about crispy pancakes
> 
> 
> Nah. I won't ask. 
> I probably don't want to know...
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Hyundai Sonata suddenly accelerates against driver's will to 80 mph

[Randy Bennell]

Gee, who knew a Hyundai could go that fast??

Randy

On 31/05/2012 7:33 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
The police of South Korea investigate the reasons of a bizarre car 
accident, which occurred to the latest model of Hyundai Sonata. The 
car began accelerating against the driver's will and crashed into 
another car at the speed of 129 km/hsnip


http://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/17-05-2012/121154-hyundai_sonata-0/ 



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Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

[Randy Bennell]

Try POR.

Randy


On 31/05/2012 6:34 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

If I had the time and motivation, I'd try removing the fenders, using
the electrolytic method to get rid of the rust, then repair or fill as
needed.

Wire brushing and topical rust "removers" do not approach what I've seen
the electrolytic conversion do.  Instructions are somewhere on Jim
Cathey's website.

Allan


"G. M. Brown"  writes:


Since I intend for my '84 300D to be my last car and last me the rest
of my days, I replaced the RF&  LR fenders in '09 after finding rust
that I was convinced would spread.  I've had rust "repaired" in the
past by reputable establishments only for rust to reappear a couple
years later.  Even if I need to replace the LF&  RR fenders at some
point in the future, it's worth it to me.

G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC 
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Re: [MBZ] 83 300SD Vacuum connections

[Rich Thomas]

I can take a pic a bit later and send it to you.  I also have the CDs if 
you want a copy.


--R

On 6/1/12 11:19 AM, aland...@knology.net wrote:

I need a diagram or photo of the vacuum connections on the box on top of the 
valve cover. I don't have the repair CD, the one for the 300D is different. The 
dry hoses at the front connection broke apart and I don't know how to hook 
together. Has fouled with the tranny shifting and maybe the turbo.


Thanks
Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN






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[MBZ] 83 300SD Vacuum connections

[alanduff]

I need a diagram or photo of the vacuum connections on the box on top of the 
valve cover. I don't have the repair CD, the one for the 300D is different. The 
dry hoses at the front connection broke apart and I don't know how to hook 
together. Has fouled with the tranny shifting and maybe the turbo. 


Thanks
Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN



 


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Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

[Rich Thomas]

We should respond with higher tariffs on chicken tires!

My wife had a blowout on the Suburban a few weeks back, it was about 
time anyway to get new tars for it.  $800+ later at Costco... ouch!


--R

On 6/1/12 8:23 AM, Rick Knoble wrote:

On Jun 1, 2012, at 6:52 AM, "Allan Streib"  wrote:


Yeah but it seems that tires have not just gone up, they've about
doubled since I last shopped (a couple of years ago).


They (our government) raised tariffs on Chinese tires a few years ago. It has 
allowed domestic manufacturers to raise prices accordingly. IIRC, the Chinese 
responded by raising tariffs on US chickens.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/14/news/companies/china_tire_tariff/index.htm

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

[Gerry Archer]

Gerry Archer wrote:

Tire Rack and similar websites seem to have the best prices, but around 
here at least, the dealers  charge higher prices for mounting the 
mailorder tires such that little or nothing is saved by ordering them.


The better labor deals on carry-in tires seem to be at Wal-Mart and my 
local Farm Bureau co-op.
Wal-Mart: $5 mount a carry-in, free mount on purchase, $6.50 lifetime 
balance, $2.50 stem (or you can buy a 4 pack of stems and they'll install 
them free with the mount/balance job). Figure $50 and an hour or two wait 
to install four tires if you buy your own stems for $1 each.


We selected tires for dad's Dakota at Tire Rack, called Farm Bureau for a 
quote, and FB was cheaper after adding in Tire Rack's shipping charges, so 
he just bought the whole package from FB.
When tires were 6" wide, side to side balance was a lot less important 
than now.

I'd be reluctant to gravity balance a $120 215/55-16 tire.


Glad to know about Walmart; didn't know they mounted carry-ins.
We don't have Farm Bureau around here; probably because there aren't many
farms.
I've been leery about buying Walmart tires since they contract with the 
mfg'ers.
After Sears started selling Michelins, it soon became apparent that the 
Sears
Michelins were inferior to the tire dealer Michelins.  Walmart could be 
doing the same

although I haven't heard anything similar about their tires.
Gerry 



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Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

[G Mann]

At $308. each, that only accounts for 3 shop hours at a decent body shop. 3
hrs to repair, to paint standard, a rusty fender, is on the low side. Plus,
when you are done, it's still a rusty fender under the paint.

Even with shipping costs, the $308 figure, IMHO, would be the better
investment. You start with a clean, no rust, set of fenders, then paint
them off the car. Undercoat or preserve the back side and have a much nicer
end result.

FWIW,

Grant...AZ [where even bare metal takes years to rust, and decades to rust
through]

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 2:22 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

> Cheap as wine - French champagne maybe...
>
> On 5/31/12, Rusty Cullens  wrote:
> > They are $308.00 but shipping is a bear.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:
> mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> > On Behalf Of Dan Penoff
> > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:50 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?
> >
> > 123 fenders used to be cheap as wine. Check with the Q.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > On May 31, 2012, at 4:06 PM, andrew strasfogel 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> We are thinking of repainting her 1985 300CD.  It has some rust in
> >> both front fenders, esp. the passenger side.  Would it be less costly
> >> to 1) buy and install (relatively) rust-free used fenders; or 2) have
> >> the body shop repair the existing ones?
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Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

[Dan Penoff]

The low profile sidewall tires are obscenely expensive as well. The wife's 
Mazda has them, and it has always been an exercise in pain when they require 
replacement.

Dan

On Jun 1, 2012, at 8:32 AM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> Mitch Haley  writes:
> 
>> What's double is going from 15" 190D tires then to 16" E320 tires now.
> 
> The worst shocker was that it's going to cost me over $800 for new tires
> for my Nissan Frontier, which I will need before winter.  I know truck
> tires are more, but over $200 each for a "non-major" brand name seems
> just astounding.
> 
> Allan
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> 1979 300SD
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Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

[Dieselhead]

Welcome to 1932, where a set of tires cost more than a lot of used 
cars.  Both courtesy of "progressive" socialist regimes.



Mitch Haley  writes:


 What's double is going from 15" 190D tires then to 16" E320 tires now.


The worst shocker was that it's going to cost me over $800 for new tires
for my Nissan Frontier, which I will need before winter.  I know truck
tires are more, but over $200 each for a "non-major" brand name seems
just astounding.

Allan
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1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

[Mitch Haley]

Gerry Archer wrote:

Tire Rack and similar websites seem to have the best prices, but around 
here at least, the dealers  charge higher prices for mounting the 
mailorder tires such that little or nothing is saved by ordering them.


The better labor deals on carry-in tires seem to be at Wal-Mart and my local 
Farm Bureau co-op.
Wal-Mart: $5 mount a carry-in, free mount on purchase, $6.50 lifetime balance, 
$2.50 stem (or you can buy a 4 pack of stems and they'll install them free with 
the mount/balance job). Figure $50 and an hour or two wait to install four tires 
if you buy your own stems for $1 each.


We selected tires for dad's Dakota at Tire Rack, called Farm Bureau for a quote, 
and FB was cheaper after adding in Tire Rack's shipping charges, so he just 
bought the whole package from FB.

When tires were 6" wide, side to side balance was a lot less important than now.
I'd be reluctant to gravity balance a $120 215/55-16 tire.


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Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

[Allan Streib]

Mitch Haley  writes:

> What's double is going from 15" 190D tires then to 16" E320 tires now.

The worst shocker was that it's going to cost me over $800 for new tires
for my Nissan Frontier, which I will need before winter.  I know truck
tires are more, but over $200 each for a "non-major" brand name seems
just astounding.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

[Rick Knoble]

On Jun 1, 2012, at 6:52 AM, "Allan Streib"  wrote:

> Yeah but it seems that tires have not just gone up, they've about
> doubled since I last shopped (a couple of years ago).


They (our government) raised tariffs on Chinese tires a few years ago. It has 
allowed domestic manufacturers to raise prices accordingly. IIRC, the Chinese 
responded by raising tariffs on US chickens. 

http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/14/news/companies/china_tire_tariff/index.htm

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

[Gerry Archer]

Craig  writes:

I'm shocked at how much the price of tires has gone up the past
couple of years.


Everything is going up. When you get all those extra trillions of
dollars our children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren have been
obligated to pay chasing the same amount of goods, the price of things
has to go up.



Yeah but it seems that tires have not just gone up, they've about
doubled since I last shopped (a couple of years ago).
Allan
1983 300D
1979 300SD

Tire Rack and similar websites seem to have the best prices, but around here 
at least, the dealers  charge higher prices for mounting the mailorder tires 
such that little or nothing is saved by ordering them.
I've seen several simple tire changing machines at Harbor Freight and other 
sources.  Have you or others had any experience with them?  I seem to 
remember prices in the $150 range for the machines which would be paid for 
after mounting two sets of tires. Balancing can be done by using a hub 
clamped in a vice and lubricated with very light oil.  Did that in years 
gone by.

Gerry



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Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

[Mitch Haley]

Allan Streib wrote:

Yeah but it seems that tires have not just gone up, they've about
doubled since I last shopped (a couple of years ago).


Seems that way, doesn't it?
I just checked, my last order of 195/65-15 H rated Generals was $67.50 shipped 
in August of 2008.

Now it's $87.25. If you factor in the $50 rebate I got, it's $55 vs $87.25.
Not double, but still steep.
What's double is going from 15" 190D tires then to 16" E320 tires now.

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Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

[rogerhga]

Allan, 
Have you also noticed all the used car lots, used tire shops, and thrift 
stores? But hey, according to the "gov", the economy is improving and we're all 
happy. 
Best Wishes, 

Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] tire opinion

[Allan Streib]

Craig  writes:

>> I'm shocked at how much the price of tires has gone up the past
>> couple of years.
>
> Everything is going up. When you get all those extra trillions of
> dollars our children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren have been
> obligated to pay chasing the same amount of goods, the price of things
> has to go up.
>

Yeah but it seems that tires have not just gone up, they've about
doubled since I last shopped (a couple of years ago).

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1979 300SD

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