Re: [MBZ] Droolworthy 1985 300TD

[Fmiser]

> andrew strasfogel wrote:

> There is no SLS on an 85 Benz.

My '85 S123 has SLS.

> The 85 transmission is way superior to earlier models.

Superior meaning "more durable" or meaning "desirable
function"?  

I don't have data for durability, but I don't like how it
functions.  Higher stall speed torque converter and shifts from
1st to 2nd while the shift lever is in "L".  These bug me
_every_ time I drive it.

Anyone have a rather well sorted out beater pre-'85 wagon they
want to trade for my rather well sorted out beater 1985 wagon?

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Droolworthy 1985 300TD with dodgy dickie seats

[Fmiser]

> > Hendrik wrote:
> >
> > Those third row seats do not look like factory items, they
> > should have three point seat belts.

> andrew strasfogel wrote:

> I thought they did.  Look again.

I'm with Hendrik on this one.  Image #42.
http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp258/happybird213/42.jpg

There should be a slot just below the side window where the belt
goes through to the spool.  What I see is belts that look like
lap belts across the seat.  I also don't see recessed cavity in
the seat upright where the latch is supposed to be.  So is this
a seat from a much older car?  The little recess for the latches
isn't a simple alteration.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

[Peter Frederick]

There is no debate about using mineral oil with R134a, it's not a good  
idea at all unless you want a new compressor soon -- it's not soluble  
in R134a and circulates poorly.


Your choices are PAG or Ester oil, either of which work fine.   
Nipondenso requires PAG, don't remember the viscosity off the top of  
my heat but it's one of the standard ones.  Not sure for other  
compressors, but PAG should be fine.  Only caveat is that it absorbs  
LOTS of water when exposed to air, so you will need to replace the  
moisture scavenger (receiver/dryer or accumulator) if the system is  
open for more than a few minutes.  Just the nature of the beast.   
Water makes hydrofluoric acid in R134a, you HAVE to keep the system  
quite dry.  Also greatly reduces cooling when it freezes out in the  
expansion valve.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

[Peter Frederick]

Some of the confusion stems from the fact that R12 has the same  
temperature and pressure on the low side (that is, in degrees F, 32  
psi = 32 degrees).  One of the reasons R12 was used in automobiles was  
that it's simple to see what the evaporator temperature is.


R134a doesn't work like this.  My gauge set has a temperature scale on  
it beside the pressure scale so it's easy to see what the evaporator  
temperature is.


On systems with expansion valves, you will see quite low pressures  
when the valve is closed, but they will be higher when the valve is  
wide open.  The pressure may not show the actual evaporator  
temperature as a result.


On CCOT systems, it's even more complicated as the evaporator can  
contain liquid freon at times, and excess liquid freon collects in the  
accumulator (between evaporator and compressor) since there is a fixed  
orifice.  GM typically uses CCOT systems, MB has tyipcally used a  
receiver/dryer and expansion valve, but I don't know what they use  
today.


With a receiver/dryer, it's easy to tell if there is adequate freon,  
as you won't see bubbles in the sight glass during full load  
operation.  No sight glass on CCOT systems, you have to use the  
pressure.


Low pressure with boiling sounds in the evaporator is a new one for  
me, but I'd try adding freon first since it's cheap and easy.  A bad  
compressor usually results in high low side pressure and no cooling --  
and no heat in the condenser.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

[Max Dillon]

Oil escapes, oily spot will mark the leak...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Dave Walton  wrote:

Does oil escape with a leak or is it left behind? In other words - can I just 
add refrigerant or do I need to add oil as well?

-Dave Walton

On Jul 29, 2012, at 7:58 PM, Max Dillon  wrote:

> Yes, Mercedes 124 calls for a low viscosity oil, someone here posted it last 
> summer. I think the viscosity is determined by the compressor.
> 
> Then there is the mineral oil versus PAG oil debate...
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '95 E300
> '87 300TD
> 
> Dave Walton  wrote:
> 
> Are different oils used with R134a systems? If so, which does Mercedes use?
> 
> -Dave Walton
> 
> On Jul 29, 2012, at 7:38 PM, OK Don  wrote:
> 
>> Interesting! How would one know which R134a charts are right? Any way, from
>> this chart, my pressures are low, but the center vent temp is about right.
>> However, the ML's center vent temp is much lower. Makes one question ALL
>> the charts!
>> 
>> For vehicles currently running with freon R-134a only
>> Outside-low side---High side--Center vent temp
>> 100 F -40-50 psi ---200-250 psi 52-60 F
>> 110 F -50-60 psi ---250-300 psi 68-74 F
>> 
>> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Max Dillon wrote:
>> 
>>> Those are the wrong charts.
>>> 
>>> Either you've got a leak and lost some of the charge, or your compressor
>>> is about dead.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://m.instructables.com/id/How-to-Repair-Automotive-AC/step1/freon-check/
>>> 
>>> From this site, looks to me like you should try adding some more
>>> refrigerant.
>>> --
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> '95 E300
>>> '87 300TD
>>> 
>>> OK Don  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The chart at http://dodgeram.org/tech/repair/HVAC/R134a.htm says 135 psi.
>>> ?
>>> ? ? ?
>>> 
>>> The calculator here says 134 -
>>> http://www.csgnetwork.com/r134apresstempconv.html
>>> 
>>> My pressure is higher ? ? ? ?
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:03 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>>> 
 So, add more R134a?
 
 
 On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Russ Williams 
>>> wrote:
 
> High side should be in the 240 psi range for that OAT.
> 104(OAT)x2+32
> 
> Russ W.
> 
> On 7/29/2012 15:14, OK Don wrote:
> 
>> The van is not blowing "ICE COLD AIR". It's blowing 68F, not cold. It
>>> was
>> COLD when it was new in 1997.I hooked up the guages, and read low side
>> of 28 and high of 160 at 1600-2000 RPM. Does it need more refrigerant,
>> have
>> too much, or is something else wrong? Ambient temp is 104F.
>> Also, after some time on the road, 20-30 minutes, when you shut down
>>> the
>> car, we hear gurgling or boiling sounds from the evaporator area. What
>>> is
>> it trying to tell me?
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

[OK Don]

Well, it seems that you have to be smart enough to know how to read the
gauges! The outer ring of numbers is labled R134a and is green. The next
inner ring is black, and labled psi. Turns out that the green ring
corresponds to the pressures on the charts I referencd, while the black psi
numbers correspond to the chart Max referenced. Either way, I now have an
over charge but have dropped the project for today. From the center vent
numbers on Max's chart the system is working as well as can be expected.
The ML is working like you would expect a Mercedes to!

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 6:38 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> Interesting! How would one know which R134a charts are right? Any way,
> from this chart, my pressures are low, but the center vent temp is about
> right. However, the ML's center vent temp is much lower. Makes one question
> ALL the charts!
>
> For vehicles currently running with freon R-134a only
> Outside-low side---High side--Center vent temp
> 100 F -40-50 psi ---200-250 psi 52-60 F
> 110 F -50-60 psi ---250-300 psi 68-74 F
>
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Max Dillon wrote:
>
>> Those are the wrong charts.
>>
>> Either you've got a leak and lost some of the charge, or your compressor
>> is about dead.
>>
>>
>> http://m.instructables.com/id/How-to-Repair-Automotive-AC/step1/freon-check/
>>
>> From this site, looks to me like you should try adding some more
>> refrigerant.
>> --
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '95 E300
>> '87 300TD
>>
>> OK Don  wrote:
>>
>> The chart at http://dodgeram.org/tech/repair/HVAC/R134a.htm says 135
>> psi. ?
>> ? ? ?
>>
>> The calculator here says 134 -
>> http://www.csgnetwork.com/r134apresstempconv.html
>>
>> My pressure is higher ? ? ? ?
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:03 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>>
>> > So, add more R134a?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Russ Williams 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> High side should be in the 240 psi range for that OAT.
>> >> 104(OAT)x2+32
>> >>
>> >> Russ W.
>> >>
>> >> On 7/29/2012 15:14, OK Don wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> The van is not blowing "ICE COLD AIR". It's blowing 68F, not cold. It
>> was
>> >>> COLD when it was new in 1997.I hooked up the guages, and read low side
>> >>> of 28 and high of 160 at 1600-2000 RPM. Does it need more refrigerant,
>> >>> have
>> >>> too much, or is something else wrong? Ambient temp is 104F.
>> >>> Also, after some time on the road, 20-30 minutes, when you shut down
>> the
>> >>> car, we hear gurgling or boiling sounds from the evaporator area.
>> What is
>> >>> it trying to tell me?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >
>> >
>> > --
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>> > 2001 ML320
>> > 2012 Passat TDI DSG
>> > 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
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Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

[Dave Walton]

Does oil escape with a leak or is it left behind? In other words - can I just 
add refrigerant or do I need to add oil as well?

-Dave Walton

On Jul 29, 2012, at 7:58 PM, Max Dillon  wrote:

> Yes, Mercedes 124 calls for a low viscosity oil, someone here posted it last 
> summer. I think the viscosity is determined by the compressor.
> 
> Then there is the mineral oil versus PAG oil debate...
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '95 E300
> '87 300TD
> 
> Dave Walton  wrote:
> 
> Are different oils used with R134a systems? If so, which does Mercedes use?
> 
> -Dave Walton
> 
> On Jul 29, 2012, at 7:38 PM, OK Don  wrote:
> 
>> Interesting! How would one know which R134a charts are right? Any way, from
>> this chart, my pressures are low, but the center vent temp is about right.
>> However, the ML's center vent temp is much lower. Makes one question ALL
>> the charts!
>> 
>> For vehicles currently running with freon R-134a only
>> Outside-low side---High side--Center vent temp
>> 100 F -40-50 psi ---200-250 psi 52-60 F
>> 110 F -50-60 psi ---250-300 psi 68-74 F
>> 
>> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Max Dillon wrote:
>> 
>>> Those are the wrong charts.
>>> 
>>> Either you've got a leak and lost some of the charge, or your compressor
>>> is about dead.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://m.instructables.com/id/How-to-Repair-Automotive-AC/step1/freon-check/
>>> 
>>> From this site, looks to me like you should try adding some more
>>> refrigerant.
>>> --
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> '95 E300
>>> '87 300TD
>>> 
>>> OK Don  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The chart at http://dodgeram.org/tech/repair/HVAC/R134a.htm says 135 psi.
>>> ?
>>> ? ? ?
>>> 
>>> The calculator here says 134 -
>>> http://www.csgnetwork.com/r134apresstempconv.html
>>> 
>>> My pressure is higher ? ? ? ?
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:03 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>>> 
 So, add more R134a?
 
 
 On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Russ Williams 
>>> wrote:
 
> High side should be in the 240 psi range for that OAT.
> 104(OAT)x2+32
> 
> Russ W.
> 
> On 7/29/2012 15:14, OK Don wrote:
> 
>> The van is not blowing "ICE COLD AIR". It's blowing 68F, not cold. It
>>> was
>> COLD when it was new in 1997.I hooked up the guages, and read low side
>> of 28 and high of 160 at 1600-2000 RPM. Does it need more refrigerant,
>> have
>> too much, or is something else wrong? Ambient temp is 104F.
>> Also, after some time on the road, 20-30 minutes, when you shut down
>>> the
>> car, we hear gurgling or boiling sounds from the evaporator area. What
>>> is
>> it trying to tell me?
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

[Max Dillon]

Yes, Mercedes 124 calls for a low viscosity oil, someone here posted it last 
summer. I think the viscosity is determined by the compressor.

Then there is the mineral oil versus PAG oil debate...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

Dave Walton  wrote:

Are different oils used with R134a systems? If so, which does Mercedes use?

-Dave Walton

On Jul 29, 2012, at 7:38 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> Interesting! How would one know which R134a charts are right? Any way, from
> this chart, my pressures are low, but the center vent temp is about right.
> However, the ML's center vent temp is much lower. Makes one question ALL
> the charts!
> 
> For vehicles currently running with freon R-134a only
> Outside-low side---High side--Center vent temp
> 100 F -40-50 psi ---200-250 psi 52-60 F
> 110 F -50-60 psi ---250-300 psi 68-74 F
> 
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Max Dillon wrote:
> 
>> Those are the wrong charts.
>> 
>> Either you've got a leak and lost some of the charge, or your compressor
>> is about dead.
>> 
>> 
>> http://m.instructables.com/id/How-to-Repair-Automotive-AC/step1/freon-check/
>> 
>> From this site, looks to me like you should try adding some more
>> refrigerant.
>> --
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '95 E300
>> '87 300TD
>> 
>> OK Don  wrote:
>> 
>> The chart at http://dodgeram.org/tech/repair/HVAC/R134a.htm says 135 psi.
>> ?
>> ? ? ?
>> 
>> The calculator here says 134 -
>> http://www.csgnetwork.com/r134apresstempconv.html
>> 
>> My pressure is higher ? ? ? ?
>> 
>> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:03 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>> 
>>> So, add more R134a?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Russ Williams 
>> wrote:
>>> 
 High side should be in the 240 psi range for that OAT.
 104(OAT)x2+32
 
 Russ W.
 
 On 7/29/2012 15:14, OK Don wrote:
 
> The van is not blowing "ICE COLD AIR". It's blowing 68F, not cold. It
>> was
> COLD when it was new in 1997.I hooked up the guages, and read low side
> of 28 and high of 160 at 1600-2000 RPM. Does it need more refrigerant,
> have
> too much, or is something else wrong? Ambient temp is 104F.
> Also, after some time on the road, 20-30 minutes, when you shut down
>> the
> car, we hear gurgling or boiling sounds from the evaporator area. What
>> is
> it trying to tell me?
> 
> 
 
 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

[Craig]

On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 18:38:09 -0500 OK Don  wrote:

> Interesting! How would one know which R134a charts are right? Any way,
> from this chart, my pressures are low, but the center vent temp is
> about right. However, the ML's center vent temp is much lower. Makes
> one question ALL the charts!
> 
> For vehicles currently running with freon R-134a only
> Outside-low side---High side--Center vent temp
> 100 F -40-50 psi ---200-250 psi 52-60 F
> 110 F -50-60 psi ---250-300 psi 68-74 F

The other charts seem to be showing the evaporator temperature versus
pressure.

Note that the lower the pressure on the low side of the system, the lower
the evaporator temperature will be. HOWEVER, lower pressures will mean
lower amounts of freon, which will transport less heat. Thus, in a given
system you may not see the lower temperatures because the system is
really trying to transport more heat than the amount of freon for those
lower temperatures will be able to transport.

I hope that's clear.

So, for a given system, it's a balancing act between how much freon you
have versus how much heat you are trying to transport. But I think you
still need more freon.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

[Max Dillon]

Yes, question them, they are really just a guide. I agree that these center 
vent temps from the chart I posted are hooky.

When I bought my first AC gauge it came with a chart, and it largely agrees 
with the car-specific charts for my Mercedes and our Infiniti.
-- 
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'87 300TD

OK Don  wrote:

Interesting! How would one know which R134a charts are right? Any way, from
this chart, my pressures are low, but the center vent temp is about right.
However, the ML's center vent temp is much lower. Makes one question ALL
the charts!

For vehicles currently running with freon R-134a only
Outside-low side---High side--Center vent temp
100 F -40-50 psi ---200-250 psi 52-60 F
110 F -50-60 psi ---250-300 psi 68-74 F

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Max Dillon wrote:

> Those are the wrong charts.
>
> Either you've got a leak and lost some of the charge, or your compressor
> is about dead.
>
>
> http://m.instructables.com/id/How-to-Repair-Automotive-AC/step1/freon-check/
>
> From this site, looks to me like you should try adding some more
> refrigerant.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '95 E300
> '87 300TD
>
> OK Don  wrote:
>
> The chart at http://dodgeram.org/tech/repair/HVAC/R134a.htm says 135 psi.
> ?
> ? ? ?
>
> The calculator here says 134 -
> http://www.csgnetwork.com/r134apresstempconv.html
>
> My pressure is higher ? ? ? ?
>
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:03 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>
> > So, add more R134a?
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Russ Williams 
> wrote:
> >
> >> High side should be in the 240 psi range for that OAT.
> >> 104(OAT)x2+32
> >>
> >> Russ W.
> >>
> >> On 7/29/2012 15:14, OK Don wrote:
> >>
> >>> The van is not blowing "ICE COLD AIR". It's blowing 68F, not cold. It
> was
> >>> COLD when it was new in 1997.I hooked up the guages, and read low side
> >>> of 28 and high of 160 at 1600-2000 RPM. Does it need more refrigerant,
> >>> have
> >>> too much, or is something else wrong? Ambient temp is 104F.
> >>> Also, after some time on the road, 20-30 minutes, when you shut down
> the
> >>> car, we hear gurgling or boiling sounds from the evaporator area. What
> is
> >>> it trying to tell me?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

[Dave Walton]

Are different oils used with R134a systems? If so, which does Mercedes use?

-Dave Walton

On Jul 29, 2012, at 7:38 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> Interesting! How would one know which R134a charts are right? Any way, from
> this chart, my pressures are low, but the center vent temp is about right.
> However, the ML's center vent temp is much lower. Makes one question ALL
> the charts!
> 
> For vehicles currently running with freon R-134a only
> Outside-low side---High side--Center vent temp
> 100 F -40-50 psi ---200-250 psi 52-60 F
> 110 F -50-60 psi ---250-300 psi 68-74 F
> 
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Max Dillon wrote:
> 
>> Those are the wrong charts.
>> 
>> Either you've got a leak and lost some of the charge, or your compressor
>> is about dead.
>> 
>> 
>> http://m.instructables.com/id/How-to-Repair-Automotive-AC/step1/freon-check/
>> 
>> From this site, looks to me like you should try adding some more
>> refrigerant.
>> --
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '95 E300
>> '87 300TD
>> 
>> OK Don  wrote:
>> 
>> The chart at http://dodgeram.org/tech/repair/HVAC/R134a.htm says 135 psi.
>> ?
>> ? ? ?
>> 
>> The calculator here says 134 -
>> http://www.csgnetwork.com/r134apresstempconv.html
>> 
>> My pressure is higher ? ? ? ?
>> 
>> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:03 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>> 
>>> So, add more R134a?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Russ Williams 
>> wrote:
>>> 
 High side should be in the 240 psi range for that OAT.
 104(OAT)x2+32
 
 Russ W.
 
 On 7/29/2012 15:14, OK Don wrote:
 
> The van is not blowing "ICE COLD AIR". It's blowing 68F, not cold. It
>> was
> COLD when it was new in 1997.I hooked up the guages, and read low side
> of 28 and high of 160 at 1600-2000 RPM. Does it need more refrigerant,
> have
> too much, or is something else wrong? Ambient temp is 104F.
> Also, after some time on the road, 20-30 minutes, when you shut down
>> the
> car, we hear gurgling or boiling sounds from the evaporator area. What
>> is
> it trying to tell me?
> 
> 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

[Craig]

On Sun, 29 Jul 2012 19:11:35 -0400 Max Dillon 
wrote:

> Those are the wrong charts.
> 
> Either you've got a leak and lost some of the charge, or your
> compressor is about dead.
> 
> http://m.instructables.com/id/How-to-Repair-Automotive-AC/step1/freon-check/
> 
> From this site, looks to me like you should try adding some more
> refrigerant.


I agree. Is there a sight glass on the receiver? The gurgling

> >>> Also, after some time on the road, 20-30 minutes, when you shut
> >>> down the car, we hear gurgling or boiling sounds from the
> >>> evaporator area. What is it trying to tell me?

sounds like it's low.


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Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

[OK Don]

Interesting! How would one know which R134a charts are right? Any way, from
this chart, my pressures are low, but the center vent temp is about right.
However, the ML's center vent temp is much lower. Makes one question ALL
the charts!

For vehicles currently running with freon R-134a only
Outside-low side---High side--Center vent temp
100 F -40-50 psi ---200-250 psi 52-60 F
110 F -50-60 psi ---250-300 psi 68-74 F

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Max Dillon wrote:

> Those are the wrong charts.
>
> Either you've got a leak and lost some of the charge, or your compressor
> is about dead.
>
>
> http://m.instructables.com/id/How-to-Repair-Automotive-AC/step1/freon-check/
>
> From this site, looks to me like you should try adding some more
> refrigerant.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '95 E300
> '87 300TD
>
> OK Don  wrote:
>
> The chart at http://dodgeram.org/tech/repair/HVAC/R134a.htm says 135 psi.
> ?
> ? ? ?
>
> The calculator here says 134 -
> http://www.csgnetwork.com/r134apresstempconv.html
>
> My pressure is higher ? ? ? ?
>
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:03 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>
> > So, add more R134a?
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Russ Williams 
> wrote:
> >
> >> High side should be in the 240 psi range for that OAT.
> >> 104(OAT)x2+32
> >>
> >> Russ W.
> >>
> >> On 7/29/2012 15:14, OK Don wrote:
> >>
> >>> The van is not blowing "ICE COLD AIR". It's blowing 68F, not cold. It
> was
> >>> COLD when it was new in 1997.I hooked up the guages, and read low side
> >>> of 28 and high of 160 at 1600-2000 RPM. Does it need more refrigerant,
> >>> have
> >>> too much, or is something else wrong? Ambient temp is 104F.
> >>> Also, after some time on the road, 20-30 minutes, when you shut down
> the
> >>> car, we hear gurgling or boiling sounds from the evaporator area. What
> is
> >>> it trying to tell me?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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>
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Re: [MBZ] Droolworthy 1985 300TD

[Max Dillon]

TO is the trap oxidizer.
-- 
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'95 E300
'87 300TD

"alanc...@pacbell.net"  wrote:

>Thanks, that was pretty comprehensive on complaints about the CA 85 
>model What the meaning of the acronym TO?
>
>Alan
>85 Turbo
>
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] Droolworthy 1985 300TD

[alanc...@pacbell.net]

Thanks, that was pretty comprehensive on complaints about the CA 85 
model What the meaning of the acronym TO?


Alan
85 Turbo



On 7/29/12 12:48 AM, ernest breakfield wrote:
seems if your wagon doesn't have the Self Leveling System, it's 
missing one of the coolest things about the wagons (though it was a 
PITA if it ever started to cause trouble). you can see far too many 
dragging their asses around town here because people didn't want to 
pay what it costs to fix them, but that's a TD issue, not an '85 issue.
as for the trans, i've heard the '85s trans referred to derisively 
as "the little one", and know that the local Benz tranny shop doesn't 
like them. (i haven't been forced to look into it any further, knock 
on wood!)


too many things about the '85s make them 'one year cars', and the 
CA versions are even more full of oddities due to the Trap Oxidizer 
that MBZ threw at them that year.


one things that especially irks me about the '85 is the Injection 
Pump; while it was alleged to help the motor produce more power, seems 
there's an Electric Fuel Pressure Regulator that means that even with 
mechanical injection, these things won't work without electricity. 
(that just seems *wrong* to me somehow,... mechanical FI should always 
just *work*.)
because of that pump making more power, the '85 has a rear axle 
ratio that's taller; better for the highway, but worse in town, and 
that even affects the instrument panel since a different speedo is 
needed.
then, i believe there's a torque converter that's got a different 
stall speed; not sure if that was supposed to be related to the IP and 
axle ratio, or emissions; i've heard stories about it being both.


for CA, the TO was an issue you'll hear many people complain 
about. IIRC, there were 3 Factory "campaigns", causing most of them to 
eventually be changed out to be Catalytic Converters (if they hadn't 
eaten themselves up already), but we're still stuck with Intake and 
Exhaust Manifolds that are unique to that subset of that one year, a 
less common turbo, and an air filter that's not shared with any other 
300 diesel, and priced accordingly.


keep your fingers crossed that yours remains running well!


cheers!
e


On 27/Jul/12 19:41, andrew strasfogel wrote:

My 85 TD is a CA version and it is not particularly finicky.

There is no SLS on an 85 Benz.

The 85 transmission is way superior to earlier models.

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Curt Raymond  
wrote:

Just checked Rusty's site, the air filter on that is ~$60...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:55:49 -0700
From: ernest breakfield
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Droolworthy 1985 300TD
Message-ID:<50131c75.10...@backyardengineering.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

once i got past the fact that it was blue, inside and out,... (my least
fav colors!)
  can't get past the fact that not only is it an '85, but a
California '85, at that. not a challenge everyone is willing to put 
up with!


  for what it's worth, the dash on my 300D was uncracked when i
bought it ~10 year ago, and still is.


cheers!
e

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Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

[Max Dillon]

Those are the wrong charts.

Either you've got a leak and lost some of the charge, or your compressor is 
about dead.

http://m.instructables.com/id/How-to-Repair-Automotive-AC/step1/freon-check/

>From this site, looks to me like you should try adding some more refrigerant.
-- 
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Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD

OK Don  wrote:

The chart at http://dodgeram.org/tech/repair/HVAC/R134a.htm says 135 psi. ?
? ? ?

The calculator here says 134 -
http://www.csgnetwork.com/r134apresstempconv.html

My pressure is higher ? ? ? ?

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:03 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> So, add more R134a?
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Russ Williams  wrote:
>
>> High side should be in the 240 psi range for that OAT.
>> 104(OAT)x2+32
>>
>> Russ W.
>>
>> On 7/29/2012 15:14, OK Don wrote:
>>
>>> The van is not blowing "ICE COLD AIR". It's blowing 68F, not cold. It was
>>> COLD when it was new in 1997.I hooked up the guages, and read low side
>>> of 28 and high of 160 at 1600-2000 RPM. Does it need more refrigerant,
>>> have
>>> too much, or is something else wrong? Ambient temp is 104F.
>>> Also, after some time on the road, 20-30 minutes, when you shut down the
>>> car, we hear gurgling or boiling sounds from the evaporator area. What is
>>> it trying to tell me?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Droolworthy 1985 300TD with dodgy dickie seats

[Max Dillon]

Air gaps for hood are off, could indicate deeper collision damage.

Wrong seat belts for third row.

Battery looks a little small, AAA brand? 

Brake fluid is very dark, wonder what other maintenance had been neglected.
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Re: [MBZ] SRS

[RELNGSON]

> SRS = Safety Restraint System, airbags could be part of the system 
> but
> pre-tensioning seatbelts are the most common one in earlier Mercs...
> 
Supplemental Restraint System. Which means supplemental to seat belts.

RLE

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Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

[OK Don]

I just drove the van, the AC got down to 52F while driving 45mph or so.
Then I took the ML out for fuel, and saw that it got to 37F over the same
route. MUCH more comfortable in the (now) 108F temp.

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:07 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> The chart at http://dodgeram.org/tech/repair/HVAC/R134a.htm says 135 psi.
> ? ? ? ?
>
> The calculator here says 134 -
> http://www.csgnetwork.com/r134apresstempconv.html
>
> My pressure is higher ? ? ? ?
>
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:03 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>
>> So, add more R134a?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Russ Williams wrote:
>>
>>> High side should be in the 240 psi range for that OAT.
>>> 104(OAT)x2+32
>>>
>>> Russ W.
>>>
>>> On 7/29/2012 15:14, OK Don wrote:
>>>
 The van is not blowing "ICE COLD AIR". It's blowing 68F, not cold. It
 was
 COLD when it was new in 1997.I hooked up the guages, and read low side
 of 28 and high of 160 at 1600-2000 RPM. Does it need more refrigerant,
 have
 too much, or is something else wrong? Ambient temp is 104F.
 Also, after some time on the road, 20-30 minutes, when you shut down the
 car, we hear gurgling or boiling sounds from the evaporator area. What
 is
 it trying to tell me?


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>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

[OK Don]

The chart at http://dodgeram.org/tech/repair/HVAC/R134a.htm says 135 psi. ?
? ? ?

The calculator here says 134 -
http://www.csgnetwork.com/r134apresstempconv.html

My pressure is higher ? ? ? ?

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:03 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> So, add more R134a?
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Russ Williams  wrote:
>
>> High side should be in the 240 psi range for that OAT.
>> 104(OAT)x2+32
>>
>> Russ W.
>>
>> On 7/29/2012 15:14, OK Don wrote:
>>
>>> The van is not blowing "ICE COLD AIR". It's blowing 68F, not cold. It was
>>> COLD when it was new in 1997.I hooked up the guages, and read low side
>>> of 28 and high of 160 at 1600-2000 RPM. Does it need more refrigerant,
>>> have
>>> too much, or is something else wrong? Ambient temp is 104F.
>>> Also, after some time on the road, 20-30 minutes, when you shut down the
>>> car, we hear gurgling or boiling sounds from the evaporator area. What is
>>> it trying to tell me?
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

[OK Don]

So, add more R134a?

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Russ Williams  wrote:

> High side should be in the 240 psi range for that OAT.
> 104(OAT)x2+32
>
> Russ W.
>
> On 7/29/2012 15:14, OK Don wrote:
>
>> The van is not blowing "ICE COLD AIR". It's blowing 68F, not cold. It was
>> COLD when it was new in 1997.I hooked up the guages, and read low side
>> of 28 and high of 160 at 1600-2000 RPM. Does it need more refrigerant,
>> have
>> too much, or is something else wrong? Ambient temp is 104F.
>> Also, after some time on the road, 20-30 minutes, when you shut down the
>> car, we hear gurgling or boiling sounds from the evaporator area. What is
>> it trying to tell me?
>>
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

[Russ Williams]

High side should be in the 240 psi range for that OAT.
104(OAT)x2+32

Russ W.
On 7/29/2012 15:14, OK Don wrote:

The van is not blowing "ICE COLD AIR". It's blowing 68F, not cold. It was
COLD when it was new in 1997.I hooked up the guages, and read low side
of 28 and high of 160 at 1600-2000 RPM. Does it need more refrigerant, have
too much, or is something else wrong? Ambient temp is 104F.
Also, after some time on the road, 20-30 minutes, when you shut down the
car, we hear gurgling or boiling sounds from the evaporator area. What is
it trying to tell me?





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[MBZ] OT - charging R134a systems

[OK Don]

The van is not blowing "ICE COLD AIR". It's blowing 68F, not cold. It was
COLD when it was new in 1997.I hooked up the guages, and read low side
of 28 and high of 160 at 1600-2000 RPM. Does it need more refrigerant, have
too much, or is something else wrong? Ambient temp is 104F.
Also, after some time on the road, 20-30 minutes, when you shut down the
car, we hear gurgling or boiling sounds from the evaporator area. What is
it trying to tell me?

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Re: [MBZ] Droolworthy 1985 300TD

[andrew strasfogel]

I don't drive either wagon that much so they seem to stay unbroken.

On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 3:48 AM, ernest breakfield
 wrote:
> seems if your wagon doesn't have the Self Leveling System, it's missing one
> of the coolest things about the wagons (though it was a PITA if it ever
> started to cause trouble). you can see far too many dragging their asses
> around town here because people didn't want to pay what it costs to fix
> them, but that's a TD issue, not an '85 issue.
> as for the trans, i've heard the '85s trans referred to derisively as
> "the little one", and know that the local Benz tranny shop doesn't like
> them. (i haven't been forced to look into it any further, knock on wood!)
>
> too many things about the '85s make them 'one year cars', and the CA
> versions are even more full of oddities due to the Trap Oxidizer that MBZ
> threw at them that year.
>
> one things that especially irks me about the '85 is the Injection Pump;
> while it was alleged to help the motor produce more power, seems there's an
> Electric Fuel Pressure Regulator that means that even with mechanical
> injection, these things won't work without electricity. (that just seems
> *wrong* to me somehow,... mechanical FI should always just *work*.)
> because of that pump making more power, the '85 has a rear axle ratio
> that's taller; better for the highway, but worse in town, and that even
> affects the instrument panel since a different speedo is needed.
> then, i believe there's a torque converter that's got a different stall
> speed; not sure if that was supposed to be related to the IP and axle ratio,
> or emissions; i've heard stories about it being both.
>
> for CA, the TO was an issue you'll hear many people complain about.
> IIRC, there were 3 Factory "campaigns", causing most of them to eventually
> be changed out to be Catalytic Converters (if they hadn't eaten themselves
> up already), but we're still stuck with Intake and Exhaust Manifolds that
> are unique to that subset of that one year, a less common turbo, and an air
> filter that's not shared with any other 300 diesel, and priced accordingly.
>
> keep your fingers crossed that yours remains running well!
>
>
> cheers!
> e
>
>
> On 27/Jul/12 19:41, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>>
>> My 85 TD is a CA version and it is not particularly finicky.
>>
>> There is no SLS on an 85 Benz.
>>
>> The 85 transmission is way superior to earlier models.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Curt Raymond
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Just checked Rusty's site, the air filter on that is ~$60...
>>>
>>> -Curt
>>>
>>> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:55:49 -0700
>>> From: ernest breakfield
>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Droolworthy 1985 300TD
>>> Message-ID:<50131c75.10...@backyardengineering.org>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>
>>>
>>> once i got past the fact that it was blue, inside and out,... (my least
>>> fav colors!)
>>>   can't get past the fact that not only is it an '85, but a
>>> California '85, at that. not a challenge everyone is willing to put up
>>> with!
>>>
>>>   for what it's worth, the dash on my 300D was uncracked when i
>>> bought it ~10 year ago, and still is.
>>>
>>>
>>> cheers!
>>> e
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Re: [MBZ] Droolworthy 1985 300TD with dodgy dickie seats

[andrew strasfogel]

I thought they did.  Look again.

On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Hendrik & Fay  wrote:
> Those third row seats do not look like factory items, they should have three
> point seat belts.
>
> Hendrik
> who has three point seat belts way up the back
>
> On 27/07/12 05:36, andrew strasfogel wrote:
>>
>> Seems perfect - can someone find flaws?
>>
>>
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300-td-tdt-d-300td-300tdt-1985-Mercedes-300TD-turbo-diesel-wagon-2-owners-/271021302209?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3f1a20e1c1#v4-43
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Droolworthy 1985 300TD

[ernest breakfield]

seems if your wagon doesn't have the Self Leveling System, it's missing 
one of the coolest things about the wagons (though it was a PITA if it 
ever started to cause trouble). you can see far too many dragging their 
asses around town here because people didn't want to pay what it costs 
to fix them, but that's a TD issue, not an '85 issue.
as for the trans, i've heard the '85s trans referred to derisively 
as "the little one", and know that the local Benz tranny shop doesn't 
like them. (i haven't been forced to look into it any further, knock on 
wood!)


too many things about the '85s make them 'one year cars', and the 
CA versions are even more full of oddities due to the Trap Oxidizer that 
MBZ threw at them that year.


one things that especially irks me about the '85 is the Injection 
Pump; while it was alleged to help the motor produce more power, seems 
there's an Electric Fuel Pressure Regulator that means that even with 
mechanical injection, these things won't work without electricity. (that 
just seems *wrong* to me somehow,... mechanical FI should always just 
*work*.)
because of that pump making more power, the '85 has a rear axle 
ratio that's taller; better for the highway, but worse in town, and that 
even affects the instrument panel since a different speedo is needed.
then, i believe there's a torque converter that's got a different 
stall speed; not sure if that was supposed to be related to the IP and 
axle ratio, or emissions; i've heard stories about it being both.


for CA, the TO was an issue you'll hear many people complain about. 
IIRC, there were 3 Factory "campaigns", causing most of them to 
eventually be changed out to be Catalytic Converters (if they hadn't 
eaten themselves up already), but we're still stuck with Intake and 
Exhaust Manifolds that are unique to that subset of that one year, a 
less common turbo, and an air filter that's not shared with any other 
300 diesel, and priced accordingly.


keep your fingers crossed that yours remains running well!


cheers!
e


On 27/Jul/12 19:41, andrew strasfogel wrote:

My 85 TD is a CA version and it is not particularly finicky.

There is no SLS on an 85 Benz.

The 85 transmission is way superior to earlier models.

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

Just checked Rusty's site, the air filter on that is ~$60...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012 15:55:49 -0700
From: ernest breakfield
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Droolworthy 1985 300TD
Message-ID:<50131c75.10...@backyardengineering.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

once i got past the fact that it was blue, inside and out,... (my least
fav colors!)
  can't get past the fact that not only is it an '85, but a
California '85, at that. not a challenge everyone is willing to put up with!

  for what it's worth, the dash on my 300D was uncracked when i
bought it ~10 year ago, and still is.


cheers!
e

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