Re: [MBZ] biodiesel shipments

2012-12-08 Thread Max Dillon
Either gaming for incentives or dodging taxes or import / export duties.  
Smells rotten.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD
'73 Balboa 20

Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

They shipped the same stuff across a border repeatedly, are they gaming some 
sort of gov't incentive program?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/11/30/cn-biodiesel-mystery-shipment.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT email list for 6.2L GM

2012-12-08 Thread John Reames
I end up doing some work on my dad's 1/2 ton suburban (with 6.2)...

The sad part is how expensive some parts are (like the fan clutch...)


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On Dec 7, 2012, at 13:46, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I found a couple web forums, but I really prefer email lists.  
 
 And I'd sure like a list as good as this one - but for the GM
 6.2 L diesel.  Any of you know of one?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats

2012-12-08 Thread WILTON
Have you had frost on 'em yet?  S'posed to be better if they've had frost on 
'em; friend's mom even put hers in freezer for a while when she couldn't 
wait for frost.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 11:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats


Get some collards.  I have been wanting me some collards the last few 
days, I made some turnip greens the other night but collards were what I 
wanted.  There is a whole field full of them up the road, I was tempted 
this morning...



--R

On 12/7/12 11:17 PM, WILTON wrote:

BTW, 'going to Mama Dips for lunch tomorrow.   ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Rich Thomas 
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Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Muscle Car hype was Re: Wagon with third row seats


I would take a 66 GTO or SS396 any day. Who cares about ricers when you 
got a V8 that sounds like that, and can spin those Polyglas radials 
until they melt?


I followed a cherry red 70 Nova SS into the Costco gas station 
yesterday, the plate said ND GAS


--R

On 12/7/12 10:02 AM, Donald Snook wrote:
Randy wrote:  Everyone waxes nostalgic about the wonder cars of the 
60's but most of them were nothing but pigs.


Well, there were a lot of really cool cars in the 60's - in terms of 
styling, the cool factor, and technological improvements of the time. 
But, in terms of reliability, modern cars are MANY MANY standard 
deviations better than those old cars.  60,000 miles was practically 
worn out back then on MOST cars.  AND 100,000 miles was definitely worn 
out. Think about all the maintenance that had to be done too.  Tune-ups 
every 15,000 miles AND these were real tune-ups not just replacing 
spark plugs every 30,000-50,000 miles.  Back then you had points and 
condensers to replace, and distributor caps and rotors, and carbs that 
got out of whack, and repacking wheel bearings every 15,000 miles. 
Boy, I am glad those days are over.


The thing I think is funny is how much horsepower has been gained in 
the last 2 decades.  We think of these cars from the 70's as being hot 
rods, but nearly all of them have less horsepower than a Honda Accord 
does now.


For example, remember Starsky and Hutch's 75 and then 76 Ford Gran 
Torino?  It looked cool, it was supposed to be fast.  The 351 Windsor 
by 75 was so detuned, that it produced 160 horsepower.   A current 
Toyota Camry has  178 horsepower from its FOUR CYLINDER engine. Even if 
it the Starsky and Hutch car had 460 that was optional as the police 
interceptor, it only had 202 HP.


Or the 1977 Trans Am that Smokey drove in Smokey and the Bandit.  Those 
cars looked cool (and I still want one), but it had a 6.6L 400 engine 
that produced 180 horsepower.  How dull.   The 2012 Honda Accord 2.4 
liter FOUR CYLINDER produces 177 Horsepower.  If you get the 3.5 V6, it 
has 271 HP.  (that surprises me!)








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Re: [MBZ] OT email list for 6.2L GM

2012-12-08 Thread Mitch Haley

John Reames wrote:

I end up doing some work on my dad's 1/2 ton suburban (with 6.2)...

The sad part is how expensive some parts are (like the fan clutch...)


While not cheap, the clutches don't seem expensive by MBZ standards.
It might be fun figuring out which one you need though. Here are some listings 
for a 1990 R1500 Suburban:


ACDELCO Part # 154950 Click for more information about this part   {Click Info 
Link for Alternate/OEM Part Numbers12529342, 154316, 154421, 15625460, 88961768}
CLUTCH,FAN BLADE w/A/C MAN CONT(C60); CODE HT,AW; w/o PROVISION FOR HD TRAILER 
EQUIP(Z82)
CLUTCH,FAN BLADE w/HVY DUTY RAD  TRANS OIL CLR(V02); CODE HT,AW; w/o A/C MAN 
CONT(C60)


$73.79  

ACDELCO Part # 154911 Click for more information about this part   {#19189703, 
89001894}

CLUTCH,FAN BLADE 2 WHEEL DRIVE; STANDARD ROTATION SEVERE DUTY THERMAL FAN CLUTCH
* Stocked in outlying warehouse--shipping delayed up to 5 business days
$110.79 


ACDELCO Part # 154599 Click for more information about this part   {#15677108} 
THERMOSTATIC

CLUTCH,FAN BLADE w/A/C MAN CONT(C60) or PROVISION FOR HD TRAILER EQUIP(Z82); 
CODE DT
CLUTCH,FAN BLADE w/4-SPD AUTO TRANS(MD8); CODE ABC; w/o A/C MAN CONT(C60) or HVY 
DUTY RAD  TRANS OIL CLR(V02)

* Stocked in outlying warehouse--shipping delayed up to 1 business day
$125.79

And if you don't insist on OEM, then they might be considered cheap:

HAYDEN Part # 2799 Click for more information about this part   Thermal  One of 
our most popular parts

Standard Rotation Severe Duty Thermal Fan Clutch
$44.79  

HAYDEN Part # 2785 Click for more information about this part   Thermal
Reverse Rotation Severe Duty Thermal Fan Clutch
$48.79

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Re: [MBZ] Somebody Needs This

2012-12-08 Thread Jon Agne
I would let my '68 250S go for considerably less than thatnow if I can just 
get it running :-/

i do notice that he has an automatic with floor shifter.  I wonder how easy it 
would be to swap the transmission out of my '69 280SEL into the 250S?

Jon


On Dec 7, 2012, at 11:10 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

 Meh.  Nice, but not as nice as this crackhead ad:
 
 http://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/3410152111.html
 
 Dan
 
 On Dec 7, 2012, at 11:06 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:
 
 Not mine, etc. 
 
 1970 Mercedes 280SE 108 Body 6 Cylinder Fuel Injected $2800
 
 http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/3431631922.html
 
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[MBZ] naughty or nice?

2012-12-08 Thread Rich Thomas

http://www.naughtyornicecard.com/

--R


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[MBZ] Oldies but baddies

2012-12-08 Thread Rich Thomas

No Benz content, thankfully!

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/05/15-agonizing-automotive-atrocities/all/

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Re: [MBZ] OT email list for 6.2L GM

2012-12-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

What is wrong with your dual battery system?

On 12/8/2012 1:37 AM, Fmiser wrote:

OK Don wrote:
Perhaps Kaleb neds to start another list???

Maybe.

I'm learn'n.

Short term plans are:
  * install slow, no-swell glow plugs and a manual glow controller
  * wire brake controller and trailer electric socket
  * repair the dual battery system
  * transplant 3rd row seat mounts
  * replace headliner
  * wire radios, lights, 'phone, etc

Longer term ideas include:
  * find/build a sturdy and usable roof rack
  * install tachometer
  * install transmission cooler
  * add airbags to rear suspension
  * repair A/C

--Philip, wishing the Suburban was built like my Mercedes


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[MBZ] Dead battery in 240D

2012-12-08 Thread Gerry Archer
Many thanks to all who offered suggestions on batteries.  Drove my 240D to 
Advance Auto thinking it had the two year old Advance battery.  I was wrong; 
it had a 7 year old Autozone battery.  Still planned to buy an Advance 
battery since it was the cheapest with the rebate, but found that I would 
have to go home, order and pay for the battery by email, and then go back 
and get the battery.
Since I wasn't sure how many starts were left in the dragging battery, I 
went on to Walmart and got one.  (Sams club is about 30 miles further.) 
Total cost was $117.xx.  It was the same size as a group 49 battery but had 
a different number.  The receipt is in the car and I'll look up the group 
designation if anyone wants to know.


Gerry

From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com
I bought a battery from Advance Auto about 2 years ago.  I opened the cells 
at home and found one cell with no visible electrolyte.  The amount of 
distilled water it took to fill it up would make it seem that the acid had 
been added but not the water.
Advance Auto would not give me a different battery when I took it back the 
same day.  They said that they never open the cells and that I should not 
have opened the cells.
The starter has been dragging for the past couple of days, so I'm going 
down to Autozone and get it tested today.  I've had good luck with 
Autozone on batteries.

Gerry

From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net
Any recommendations for a maker of good batteries these days?  Looks like 
the Auto Zone Gold battery in my wife's Infiniti has died, just over 
three years old, only about 22k miles.


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Re: [MBZ] Dead battery in 240D

2012-12-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

its H8 I believe.

On 12/8/2012 10:26 AM, Gerry Archer wrote:
Many thanks to all who offered suggestions on batteries.  Drove 
my 240D to Advance Auto thinking it had the two year old Advance 
battery.  I was wrong; it had a 7 year old Autozone battery.  
Still planned to buy an Advance battery since it was the 
cheapest with the rebate, but found that I would have to go 
home, order and pay for the battery by email, and then go back 
and get the battery.
Since I wasn't sure how many starts were left in the dragging 
battery, I went on to Walmart and got one.  (Sams club is about 
30 miles further.) Total cost was $117.xx.  It was the same size 
as a group 49 battery but had a different number.  The receipt 
is in the car and I'll look up the group designation if anyone 
wants to know.


Gerry

From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com
I bought a battery from Advance Auto about 2 years ago.  I 
opened the cells at home and found one cell with no visible 
electrolyte.  The amount of distilled water it took to fill it 
up would make it seem that the acid had been added but not the 
water.
Advance Auto would not give me a different battery when I took 
it back the same day.  They said that they never open the cells 
and that I should not have opened the cells.
The starter has been dragging for the past couple of days, so 
I'm going down to Autozone and get it tested today.  I've had 
good luck with Autozone on batteries.

Gerry

From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net
Any recommendations for a maker of good batteries these days?  
Looks like the Auto Zone Gold battery in my wife's Infiniti 
has died, just over three years old, only about 22k miles.


Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300
'87 300TD
'73 Balboa 20
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Re: [MBZ] OT email list for 6.2L GM

2012-12-08 Thread OK Don
Replace it with a two speed electric fan set-up.

On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 John Reames wrote:

 I end up doing some work on my dad's 1/2 ton suburban (with 6.2)...

 The sad part is how expensive some parts are (like the fan clutch...)


 While not cheap, the clutches don't seem expensive by MBZ standards.
 It might be fun figuring out which one you need though. Here are some
 listings for a 1990 R1500 Suburban:

 ACDELCO Part # 154950 Click for more information about this part   {Click
 Info Link for Alternate/OEM Part Numbers12529342, 154316, 154421, 15625460,
 88961768}
 CLUTCH,FAN BLADE w/A/C MAN CONT(C60); CODE HT,AW; w/o PROVISION FOR HD
 TRAILER EQUIP(Z82)
 CLUTCH,FAN BLADE w/HVY DUTY RAD  TRANS OIL CLR(V02); CODE HT,AW; w/o A/C
 MAN CONT(C60)

 $73.79

 ACDELCO Part # 154911 Click for more information about this part
 {#19189703, 89001894}
 CLUTCH,FAN BLADE 2 WHEEL DRIVE; STANDARD ROTATION SEVERE DUTY THERMAL FAN
 CLUTCH
 * Stocked in outlying warehouse--shipping delayed up to 5 business days
 $110.79


 ACDELCO Part # 154599 Click for more information about this part
 {#15677108} THERMOSTATIC
 CLUTCH,FAN BLADE w/A/C MAN CONT(C60) or PROVISION FOR HD TRAILER
 EQUIP(Z82); CODE DT
 CLUTCH,FAN BLADE w/4-SPD AUTO TRANS(MD8); CODE ABC; w/o A/C MAN CONT(C60)
 or HVY DUTY RAD  TRANS OIL CLR(V02)
 * Stocked in outlying warehouse--shipping delayed up to 1 business day
 $125.79

 And if you don't insist on OEM, then they might be considered cheap:

 HAYDEN Part # 2799 Click for more information about this part   Thermal
  One of our most popular parts
 Standard Rotation Severe Duty Thermal Fan Clutch
 $44.79

 HAYDEN Part # 2785 Click for more information about this part   Thermal
 Reverse Rotation Severe Duty Thermal Fan Clutch
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[MBZ] This looks NICE

2012-12-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

http://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/3462669292.html

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[MBZ] FS/BO: 615-617, 114-115 Paper Manuals

2012-12-08 Thread Tim C
I am cleaning out the basement and found three paper service manuals for
Mercedes Benz models 220D (115.110), 240D (115.117), and 300D (115.114)
(UP TO 1976 MODELS).  Make me an offer.

(The original receipt says the chassis service manuals manual were $25, and
the engine manual was $17.  It also says the maintenance manual, which I
don't have or at least didn't find, was $17.)

The three books I have:
Service Manual Engines OM 615-617
Service Manual Passenger Cars starting 1968, Series 114-115 Body and
Chassis Volume 1
Ditto, Volume 2

These are fairly dense, I'm not sure how much book rates will run; maybe 10
pounds from 27705.  Roughly the size and shape of a Priority flat rate box.

The Chassis 1 book is in okay condition.  Chassis 2 is in three pieces:
cover and title page are off, then the binding broke at 42.0.  They are not
collector grade,  but content is fine and usable on those two.

The engine book has water damage, and a lot of the pages are sticking
together.  I have been able to cleanly pull apart everything I have tried,
but there is a definite possibility that some content may be destroyed when
you try to separate any particular pages.

I'm mainly interested in getting them to a better home, I will take the
best offer after a few days that covers shipping.

Best,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] This looks NICE

2012-12-08 Thread Rich Thomas
Very nice car, price too.  Those bumpers are a turn-off. would it be 
possible to get Euro bumpers (which I assume would look lots better than 
the fed things) for it?


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http://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/3462669292.html

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Re: [MBZ] This looks NICE

2012-12-08 Thread Max Dillon
Hood air gaps are off, hood doesn't sit flush.  

Max Dillon
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'87 300TD
'73 Balboa 20

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http://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/3462669292.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT email list for 6.2L GM

2012-12-08 Thread Fmiser
 Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

 What is wrong with your dual battery system?

There are cables missing and the port side battery tray will
needs a hold-down clamp.  I also want to put a relay between the
two so when the engine is off only one battery will discharge.

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Re: [MBZ] biodiesel shipments

2012-12-08 Thread dave walton
Is there still a $1/gallon tax incentive for producing biodiesel?

On Thursday, December 6, 2012, Mitch Haley wrote:

 They shipped the same stuff across a border repeatedly, are they gaming
 some sort of gov't incentive program?

 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/**story/2012/11/30/cn-biodiesel-**
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[MBZ] OT - Mama Dip's

2012-12-08 Thread WILTON
'Mama Dip's for lunch today, Rich.  Chicken fingers, black eyed peas, turnip 
greens/sallit :), (no collards today), corn bread. SWMBO had sea food combo, 
etc., Grndson had shrimp, etc.  Yes, we all weight significantly more this 
afternoon.  Mama (SWMBO) says we can't go there again.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] This looks NICE

2012-12-08 Thread WILTON

Well, I'm gonna hafta let go, anyway.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] This looks NICE



Hood air gaps are off, hood doesn't sit flush.

Max Dillon
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'95 E300
'87 300TD
'73 Balboa 20

Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:



http://littlerock.craigslist.org/cto/3462669292.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Mama Dip's

2012-12-08 Thread Rich Thomas

I tolja

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On 12/8/12 4:34 PM, WILTON wrote:

'Mama Dip's for lunch today, Rich.  Chicken fingers, black eyed peas, turnip 
greens/sallit :), (no collards today), corn bread. SWMBO had sea food combo, 
etc., Grndson had shrimp, etc.  Yes, we all weight significantly more this 
afternoon.  Mama (SWMBO) says we can't go there again.

Wilton
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[MBZ] Benz fail

2012-12-08 Thread clay monroe
http://www.funnyism.com/i/epicfail/31059

clay 


1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







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[MBZ] '91 350 SDL $6500

2012-12-08 Thread Gerry Archer
Outside looks very good in the dark.  Light color.  Mercedes and foreign car 
repair shop on U.S. 19  Many wealthy people live around Crystal River.  This 
shop does their maintainence/repairs and sells their cars for them when they 
buy new ones, or so I've been told.  Is this a rod bender?

Gerry

All Prestige Automotive
309 NW Hwy 19
Crystal River, Florida
305 795 7000





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Re: [MBZ] '91 350 SDL $6500

2012-12-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
Yes

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 8, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:

 Outside looks very good in the dark.  Light color.  Mercedes and foreign car 
 repair shop on U.S. 19  Many wealthy people live around Crystal River.  This 
 shop does their maintainence/repairs and sells their cars for them when they 
 buy new ones, or so I've been told.  Is this a rod bender?
 Gerry
 
 All Prestige Automotive
 309 NW Hwy 19
 Crystal River, Florida
 305 795 7000
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] '91 350 SDL $6500

2012-12-08 Thread Mitch Haley

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Yes


Aside from that, the best of the W126 sedans.
Probably a good car if it's had a new factory engine or at least a preventative 
head gasket upgrade. Price seems a bit steep though.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] '91 350 SDL $6500

2012-12-08 Thread John Freer
yup.
John

On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:
 Outside looks very good in the dark.  Light color.  Mercedes and foreign car
 repair shop on U.S. 19  Many wealthy people live around Crystal River.  This
 shop does their maintainence/repairs and sells their cars for them when they
 buy new ones, or so I've been told.  Is this a rod bender?
 Gerry

 All Prestige Automotive
 309 NW Hwy 19
 Crystal River, Florida
 305 795 7000





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Re: [MBZ] '91 350 SDL $6500

2012-12-08 Thread Dieselhead


Aside from that, the best of the W126 sedans.
Probably a good car if it's had a new factory engine or at least a 
preventative head gasket upgrade. Price seems a bit steep though.

Mitch.


SDLs seem to be gaining in value.  At least nice ones not in the rust belt

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Re: [MBZ] '91 350 SDL $6500

2012-12-08 Thread WILTON
Could be.  Many 350s have bent rods, but my '91 350SDL has 203 kmi, anyway; 
sure cruised mighty fine on 150-mile trip today.  Still keeping fingers 
crossed.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 9:39 PM
Subject: [MBZ] '91 350 SDL $6500


Outside looks very good in the dark.  Light color.  Mercedes and foreign 
car repair shop on U.S. 19  Many wealthy people live around Crystal River. 
This shop does their maintainence/repairs and sells their cars for them 
when they buy new ones, or so I've been told.  Is this a rod bender?

Gerry

All Prestige Automotive
309 NW Hwy 19
Crystal River, Florida
305 795 7000





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Re: [MBZ] '91 350 SDL $6500

2012-12-08 Thread Mitch Haley

WILTON wrote:
Could be.  Many 350s have bent rods, but my '91 350SDL has 203 kmi, 
anyway; sure cruised mighty fine on 150-mile trip today.  Still keeping 
fingers crossed.


Didn't yours have a valve job or something?
What year is the head gasket?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] '91 350 SDL $6500

2012-12-08 Thread Scott Ritchey
Is this a rod bender?  As I recall (from Herr Doktor), all original
350SDLs (but not 300SDLs) are latent rod benders unless they've been
upgraded, either by a MBZ reman/new crate engine or the redesigned
connecting rods ... prior to ovaling out the bores.  That said, even
original motors may go many miles before symptoms appear.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Gerry
Archer
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 9:40 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] '91 350 SDL $6500

Outside looks very good in the dark.  Light color.  Mercedes and foreign car

repair shop on U.S. 19  Many wealthy people live around Crystal River.  This

shop does their maintainence/repairs and sells their cars for them when they

buy new ones, or so I've been told.  Is this a rod bender?
Gerry

All Prestige Automotive
309 NW Hwy 19
Crystal River, Florida
305 795 7000





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Re: [MBZ] '91 350 SDL $6500

2012-12-08 Thread Craig
On Sat, 8 Dec 2012 23:01:21 -0500 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com
wrote:

 Is this a rod bender?  As I recall (from Herr Doktor), all original
 350SDLs (but not 300SDLs) are latent rod benders unless they've been
 upgraded ...

My understanding is that the 300SDLs that followed the 350SDLs are also
rod benders.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] '91 350 SDL $6500

2012-12-08 Thread Dieselhead
Bzzt  after the 126 350SDL (rodbender) was the 350/300SD W140 
(rodbender)   SDLs were only 126.




On Sat, 8 Dec 2012 23:01:21 -0500 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com
wrote:


 Is this a rod bender?  As I recall (from Herr Doktor), all original
 350SDLs (but not 300SDLs) are latent rod benders unless they've been
 upgraded ...


My understanding is that the 300SDLs that followed the 350SDLs are also
rod benders.

Craig


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Re: [MBZ] '91 350 SDL $6500

2012-12-08 Thread Craig
On Sat, 8 Dec 2012 22:26:51 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 Bzzt  after the 126 350SDL (rodbender) was the 350/300SD W140 
 (rodbender)   SDLs were only 126.

So were there:

126 350SDL rodbender
126 300SDL non-rodbender
140 300SD  rodbender

 ?

Or was there no 300SDL after the 350SDL?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] '91 350 SDL $6500

2012-12-08 Thread Chris james
The 3.5L 6cyl OM603 was installed in the following '90-'95 S-Class 
models, specifically badged as


350SD Turbo (W126), '90-'91
350SDL Turbo (W126), '90-'91

300SD (W140), '92-'93
S350 Turbodiesel (W140), '94-'95


On 12/8/2012 11:33 PM, Craig wrote:

So were there:

126 350SDL rodbender
126 300SDL non-rodbender
140 300SD  rodbender



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Re: [MBZ] '91 350 SDL $6500

2012-12-08 Thread Chris james
No, there was not. 1987 was the last year for the 3.0L in the US  the 
W140 diesels were all SWB (short wheel base).



On 12/8/2012 11:33 PM, Craig wrote:

Or was there no 300SDL after the 350SDL?



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Re: [MBZ] '91 350 SDL $6500

2012-12-08 Thread WILTON
Timing chain broke at 89 kmi, Jun '96; replaced 3 or 4 valves and lifters, 
shaved head, new head gasket, of course, bunch of other stuff I don't 
remember.  Nothing done to lower part of eng.  Changed T chain again at ~195 
kmi.


Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350 SDL $6500



WILTON wrote:
Could be.  Many 350s have bent rods, but my '91 350SDL has 203 kmi, 
anyway; sure cruised mighty fine on 150-mile trip today.  Still keeping 
fingers crossed.


Didn't yours have a valve job or something?
What year is the head gasket?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] '91 350 SDL $6500

2012-12-08 Thread WILTON

Yes, 350's rebadged as 300's - MB blowing smoke.

Wilton

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From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net

To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '91 350 SDL $6500



On Sat, 8 Dec 2012 23:01:21 -0500 Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com
wrote:


Is this a rod bender?  As I recall (from Herr Doktor), all original
350SDLs (but not 300SDLs) are latent rod benders unless they've been
upgraded ...


My understanding is that the 300SDLs that followed the 350SDLs are also
rod benders.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] '91 350 SDL $6500

2012-12-08 Thread Mitch Haley

Craig wrote:


My understanding is that the 300SDLs that followed the 350SDLs are also
rod benders.


In an underhanded acknowledgment that the 3.5L had a reputation for poor 
reliability, they started calling them 300 instead of 350 in hopes that buyers 
wouldn't realize it was still the 3.5L engine.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] '91 350 SDL $6500

2012-12-08 Thread OK Don
What finally happened to your 140 rod bender??

On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 Yes

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 8, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com
 wrote:

  Outside looks very good in the dark.  Light color.  Mercedes and foreign
 car repair shop on U.S. 19  Many wealthy people live around Crystal River.
  This shop does their maintainence/repairs and sells their cars for them
 when they buy new ones, or so I've been told.  Is this a rod bender?
  Gerry
 
  All Prestige Automotive
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  Crystal River, Florida
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Re: [MBZ] '91 350 SDL $6500

2012-12-08 Thread Mitch Haley

WILTON wrote:
Timing chain broke at 89 kmi, Jun '96; replaced 3 or 4 valves and 
lifters, shaved head, new head gasket, of course, bunch of other stuff I 
don't remember.  Nothing done to lower part of eng.  Changed T chain 
again at ~195 kmi.


I'm 90% sure the replacement engines were supposed to be good by 1996.
I wonder about an original engine with a 1996 head gasket. Having the head 
milled flat again after 89000 miles and thousands of heat cycles would also tend 
to improve the reliability of the head gasket.


I also wonder if the problem is moot as long as the owner keeps watch for oil 
leaks near the front of the head and changes the head gasket promptly when 
seepage starts. Is it possible to fill the #1 cylinder with oil and not leak any 
to the outside of the engine?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] '91 350 SDL $6500

2012-12-08 Thread John Freer
And now they have a new S350 TD for 2012 and 13. Guess they didn't learn!

John
On Dec 8, 2012 9:16 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Craig wrote:

  My understanding is that the 300SDLs that followed the 350SDLs are also
 rod benders.


 In an underhanded acknowledgment that the 3.5L had a reputation for poor
 reliability, they started calling them 300 instead of 350 in hopes that
 buyers wouldn't realize it was still the 3.5L engine.

 Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] '91 350 SDL $6500

2012-12-08 Thread dave walton
Yes. Oil fills cylinder and exhaust smokes terribly. No external leak. I
thought it was bad turbo and bent rod #1 before I figured it out. It's
worth a preventive head gasket change in my opinion. At least then you can
do it when you want to instead of when you have to. Newer revisions have
reinforced the known weak spot.

On Sunday, December 9, 2012, Mitch Haley wrote:

 WILTON wrote:

 Timing chain broke at 89 kmi, Jun '96; replaced 3 or 4 valves and
 lifters, shaved head, new head gasket, of course, bunch of other stuff I
 don't remember.  Nothing done to lower part of eng.  Changed T chain again
 at ~195 kmi.


 I'm 90% sure the replacement engines were supposed to be good by 1996.
 I wonder about an original engine with a 1996 head gasket. Having the head
 milled flat again after 89000 miles and thousands of heat cycles would also
 tend to improve the reliability of the head gasket.

 I also wonder if the problem is moot as long as the owner keeps watch for
 oil leaks near the front of the head and changes the head gasket promptly
 when seepage starts. Is it possible to fill the #1 cylinder with oil and
 not leak any to the outside of the engine?

 Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] '91 350 SDL $6500

2012-12-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
My 92 300sd? It's a daily driver.

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On Dec 8, 2012, at 11:16 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 What finally happened to your 140 rod bender??
 
 On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:
 
 Yes
 
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 On Dec 8, 2012, at 8:39 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Outside looks very good in the dark.  Light color.  Mercedes and foreign
 car repair shop on U.S. 19  Many wealthy people live around Crystal River.
 This shop does their maintainence/repairs and sells their cars for them
 when they buy new ones, or so I've been told.  Is this a rod bender?
 Gerry
 
 All Prestige Automotive
 309 NW Hwy 19
 Crystal River, Florida
 305 795 7000
 
 
 
 
 
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[MBZ] who wanted a versatrailer?

2012-12-08 Thread Mitch Haley

http://wilmington.craigslist.org/rvs/3402375307.html

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Re: [MBZ] who wanted a versatrailer?

2012-12-08 Thread Mitch Haley

Mitch Haley wrote:

http://wilmington.craigslist.org/rvs/3402375307.html


Forgot to mention a really nice looking one in WI, but the ad is a little old:
http://appleton.craigslist.org/for/3402848708.html

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Re: [MBZ] '91 350 SDL $6500

2012-12-08 Thread Chris james


MBUSA has a long history of adjusting (or making up) model nomenclature, 
on both gas  diesel models specifically for the supposed benefit of the 
US market.


But in the case of the 3.5L 300SD W140, it was simply a world wide 
marketing change (all W140 model designations were rounded 
displacements, i.e. 400SEL, 300SD for the 1st two MY). Too soon for the 
reliability issues to of had any hand in it. IIRC, most of the problem 
engines didn't begin to self destruct until near the end or just past 
the 4yr/50K warranty period. No?


And as john mentioned, there is the current S350 BlueTEC 4matic, powered 
by a 3.0L V6 turbodiesel no less!





On 12/9/2012 12:13 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:

In an underhanded acknowledgment that the 3.5L had a reputation for poor
reliability, they started calling them 300 instead of 350 in hopes that
buyers wouldn't realize it was still the 3.5L engine.



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