[MBZ] Left side upgrade

[clay]

Seattle finally has a sunny day streak, so I decided it would be a good time to 
wash Frosch.

Last week I learned the water pump was going south, so am waiting on parts or 
cash to accumulate to be able to do that task.  I do have a few bits of top 
seals to install to keep the cabin a bit dryer.  I figured the driver side was 
worthy of my attention this day.

Driver side window is not lowering, the rubber is torn and old, resulting in a 
whistle at speed.  I removed the old seal and tried the new rubber to see is 
URO is at least better than what was there and close enough to original.  It is 
much the same, so I got so astrolube and a few popsicle sticks to poke and coax 
the rubber into the tracks.  Having the hard top off might have made it easier, 
but the new stuff fit quite well.  Really give a good seal, but the glass is 
too high and does not fit into the groove as it should.  Being able to drop the 
window a smidge would help.

I have all new fuses and cleaned the fuse box contacts, so that should not be 
an issue.  Last spring I had removed the window and cleaned up the external 
posts to insure good contact.  Today I pulled the switch, took it apart and 
cleaned the contacts inside.  A bit of schmutz.  Put a multimeter to it and got 
continuity.  All good.  Except I still do not get window motion.  So I take a 
look at the plug in block.  Seems one wire has decided to defect and no longer 
is held by solder.

Get the soldering iron out, reflow the solder and then add a bit more new.  
Heat that up again and slip the offending wire back into hot solder and let it 
cool to solid.  In the meanwhile the wires fall out of the block and I of 
course did not map them to their positions.  Drat!  I know where ground goes, 
but the others I am not so sure.  Four wires, ground is brown wire and looking 
at the block head on is at 1100 hours.  Other wires are Red (0100) Green (0800) 
and Black, the loose wire I put at 0500.  Still no window motion.  I check and 
the fuses are all still good.

If I have to tear into the door panel, I will, but any other ideas?


clay 


1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
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Re: [MBZ] OT - SONDYREINDEER

[WILTON]

You may.  Very fascinating and interesting place.  Google Kangerlussuaq 
(Sondrestrom), Greenland, and read lotsa stuff about it.  Many other 
interesting places all around Greenland, too.  Nuuk, for example is capital 
on west coast; pop. about 15k, I think.  Air Greenland operated 2 or 3 
flights a week from Baltimore for several years; 'don't know about now, 
other than flights from Keflavik, Iceland to Kulusuk and SAS flights to 
Kangerlussuaq from Copenahgen.


Wilton

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WILTON wrote:

OK; it's Friday - time for a moo -- ah, ah reindeer tale:


Too cool!!
I want to move there.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300TD

[Brian Toscano]

I think I just put a mark on the bolts when I did it on a OM602.


On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 9:25 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> It's aluminum, under high pressure, and too expensive for me to risk
> messing it up. YMMV.
>
> On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Max Dillon  >wrote:
>
> > Ok, but why?  Removing and re-torquing one bolt at a time doesn't seem
> > like a recipe for warping the head.  There are twenty-two of them!
> > --
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> > '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
> >
> > OK Don  wrote:
> >
> > >NO! - Loosen the bolts in the pattern in the book - then
> > >re-torque/stretch
> > >them per the book. Do not pull out the bolts one at a time - at the
> > >risk of
> > >warping the head.
> > >
> > >On Fri, Mar 8, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Max Dillon
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > >> So should I pull one bolt at a time, measure stretch to make sure it
> > >is
> > >> still within spec, then torque in the three stages without the ten
> > >minute
> > >> wait before the last 90 degree turn, or do I need to keep the wait?
> > >> --
> > >> Max Dillon
> > >> Charleston SC
> > >> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT - SONDYREINDEER

[Mountain Man]

WILTON wrote:
> OK; it's Friday - time for a moo -- ah, ah reindeer tale:

Too cool!!
I want to move there.
mao

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[MBZ] 2004 E320 4matic Driver's Sise Headlight Assembly Replacement

[Robert Koziak]

Hi all,


 It's one project after anotherstill working in gathering parts to 
install a navigation system.My driver's side headlight assembly has a 
slight crack and I was considering getting a replacement.  I have Haynes 
manuals for my two other Mercedes (1983 300D & 1990 300E) but can't find one 
for this car.  Any suggestions?


 Does anyone have step by step instructions for replacing the headlight 
assembly?  I was told it might involve removing the bumper.  Also any opinions 
on aftermarket vs an OEM headlight assembly.  I have always used OEM parts but 
was just curious if I am wasting my money in this case.  I would also consider 
buying good used.


 We had a beautiful day in the northeast so I was enjoying my favorite 
pastime!


Bob




 
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Re: [MBZ] Snowmobile, snowmobile, snowmobile, snowmobile, snowmobile

[WILTON]

Last time I went snowmobiling in March, I was whipping along at bout 50 mph 
in sparse woods west of The Soo, MI, and suddenly came upon a LARGE clear 
area (NO trees); saw Coast Guard icebreaker breaking a channel not terribly 
far out in front of me and turned parallel to 'im, thinking, of course, 
"Obviously, he's on Lake Superior.  I'd best stay back here."  'Began to 
realize that the undulations I was feeling were not from little wind-blown 
ridges of snow but from waves UNDER the snow and ice on which I was riding. 
'Kept throttle wide open at about 55 MPH as I made a slow, skidding turn to 
the right to get back in the trees and get the hell off Lake Superior.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" 

To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 5:31 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Snowmobile, snowmobile, snowmobile, snowmobile, snowmobile


Some of you were interested the last time I talked about snowmobiles so I 
thought I might give you an update on today.


Thursday/Friday we got a solid 6-8" of snow so I figured today I'd get out 
and ride. We usually don't get any riding in March so this is a gift. I 
took the Polaris I'd talked about before and my '78 Arctic Cat Pantera.

http://i.imgur.com/uF2JKq9.jpg
The trailer tilts but its tough to hold it tilted and ride on when you're 
by yourself so I stuffed it into the snowbank to make loading easier.


The snow is pretty much like cold mashed potatoes, soft and sticky which 
is poor for riding, I did a lot of this: http://i.imgur.com/djBeEyz.jpg 
because its sticky I couldn't get up on top of it at low speeds (say under 
15mph) so it would plow in front until I lost traction. That pic is when I 
tried to head out to the big trails but couldn't get much out of my 
friend's yard. That was actually the second time I got stuck...
Another view: http://i.imgur.com/79R4sUL.jpg you can see my friend's house 
in the upper left of the picture.
Looking backward: http://i.imgur.com/G0U5VTF.jpg you can't really tell the 
snow is up to my knees.


Of course I'd forgotten my snowshoes, what I really needed to do was 
snowshoe a path and then ride it, oh well.
I gave up on riding to the big trails and eventually made a figure 8 about 
100 yards long in my friend's backyard and then I tried to make one end a 
smoother curve and http://i.imgur.com/KShGuHD.jpg found an old maple stump 
which impeded progress...


Anyway even though I didn't get out to the main trails and probably only 
traveled maybe a tenth of a mile total I consider it a real good day. I 
had fun and got some exercise. I'm gonna hit it again tomorrow morning 
early. Hopefully the snow will harden up good overnight tonight so I can 
get a couple hours of trail building before it falls apart again. Its 
supposed to be very warm this week so we'll probably drop the snow pretty 
quick.


-Curt

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[MBZ] Snowmobile, snowmobile, snowmobile, snowmobile, snowmobile

[Curt Raymond]

Some of you were interested the last time I talked about snowmobiles so I 
thought I might give you an update on today.

Thursday/Friday we got a solid 6-8" of snow so I figured today I'd get out and 
ride. We usually don't get any riding in March so this is a gift. I took the 
Polaris I'd talked about before and my '78 Arctic Cat Pantera.
http://i.imgur.com/uF2JKq9.jpg
The trailer tilts but its tough to hold it tilted and ride on when you're by 
yourself so I stuffed it into the snowbank to make loading easier.

The snow is pretty much like cold mashed potatoes, soft and sticky which is 
poor for riding, I did a lot of this: http://i.imgur.com/djBeEyz.jpg because 
its sticky I couldn't get up on top of it at low speeds (say under 15mph) so it 
would plow in front until I lost traction. That pic is when I tried to head out 
to the big trails but couldn't get much out of my friend's yard. That was 
actually the second time I got stuck...
Another view: http://i.imgur.com/79R4sUL.jpg you can see my friend's house in 
the upper left of the picture.
Looking backward: http://i.imgur.com/G0U5VTF.jpg you can't really tell the snow 
is up to my knees.

Of course I'd forgotten my snowshoes, what I really needed to do was snowshoe a 
path and then ride it, oh well.
I gave up on riding to the big trails and eventually made a figure 8 about 100 
yards long in my friend's backyard and then I tried to make one end a smoother 
curve and http://i.imgur.com/KShGuHD.jpg found an old maple stump which impeded 
progress...

Anyway even though I didn't get out to the main trails and probably only 
traveled maybe a tenth of a mile total I consider it a real good day. I had fun 
and got some exercise. I'm gonna hit it again tomorrow morning early. Hopefully 
the snow will harden up good overnight tonight so I can get a couple hours of 
trail building before it falls apart again. Its supposed to be very warm this 
week so we'll probably drop the snow pretty quick.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: you're advises please

[WILTON]

Would love to.  Maybe, expanded to include "Starting a 240D on a 5-degree 
(or below) Morning."   ;<)
But, of course, all I ever did to mine (240D, that is) was wait for "wait 
light out" and all it took was just a touch of starter switch.


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: you're advises please



Come to ChowdaQ 13 and give the speech again as our guest of honor!

-Curt

Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 10:50:56 -0500
From: "WILTON" 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: you're advises please
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Which OLD days?  I had '31 and '40 Fords and drove brothers' '49 Fords. 
;<)


'Reminds me:  I need to write some Model A tales; got an A in public
speaking class at NC State College in about '55 for impromptu speech, "How
to Start a Model A."  Included generous motions, sound effects - the whole
bit.  Audience was thrilled and gave a rousing standing ovation.

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

[OK Don]

On Saturday, March 9, 2013, G Mann  wrote:
> Sorry to disappoint you by not posting. I've had to shovel the sunshine
off
> my drive 3 times already this morning.
>
> Grant... ARIZONA... The very best place to have winter. SHH don't
> come.
>
> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 7:06 AM, Peter Frederick wrote:
>
>> I had hardly any email this morning, unlike the usual deluge. Everyone
>> must be either staying in bed due to snowstorms our out working hard in
the
>> lovely weather we have here in Indiana today!
>>
>> I'll be out and about very shortly myself.
>>
>> Peter
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Much needed rain here.

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: you're advises please

[Curt Raymond]

Come to ChowdaQ 13 and give the speech again as our guest of honor!

-Curt

Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2013 10:50:56 -0500
From: "WILTON" 
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Which OLD days?  I had '31 and '40 Fords and drove brothers' '49 Fords.  ;<)

'Reminds me:  I need to write some Model A tales; got an A in public 
speaking class at NC State College in about '55 for impromptu speech, "How 
to Start a Model A."  Included generous motions, sound effects - the whole 
bit.  Audience was thrilled and gave a rousing standing ovation.

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] Italian car

[clay]

My brother had a 124.  He was able to fund his mechanics retirement on that 
car.  Was in the shop more than the road and was finally traded for a dune 
buggy.


On Mar 7, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

> You could pretty much say this about any Italian car, for that matter, so 
> don't be disheartened.
> 
> Do you already have the car?
> 
> If so, the heck with what people say!  Drive and enjoy it as long as it will 
> run.  If not, hold out for something a bit more reliable.
> 
> And yeah, I worked on X1/9s, too.  OMG, what a nightmare if you had to do any 
> sort of engine work.
> 
> My BIL at that the time had a 124 Sport Coupe, which a high school friend's 
> dad worked on almost weekly (he was an independent mechanic).  We joked about 
> the car putting my friend through college, which it did contrite to 
> substantially.
> 
> Later the BIL bought an X1/9 as soon as they came out.  I took the covers off 
> and had a look at it.  I immediately informed him that I would not be working 
> on the car.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> On Mar 7, 2013, at 9:02 PM, Max Dillon wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Dan.
>> 
>> Wow, not one positive comment.
>> 
>> I guess that an R107 is probably in my future, if we add a convertible to 
>> the fleet.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
>> 
>> Dan Penoff  wrote:
>> 
>>> Wow, the only worse Italian car I can think of would be a Fiat 124
>>> Sport coupe, although I am sure there are others
>>> 
>>> One of my buddies had one of these (Spider convertible) when we were in
>>> tech school. Despite having a complete campus full of automotive
>>> diagnostic and repair resources literally at our fingertips, this car
>>> was still a nightmare to keep running.
>>> 
>>> But it was fun to drive!
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On Mar 7, 2013, at 4:37 PM, Max Dillon 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 1975 Fiat Spider (convertible).
 -- 
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
 
 Mitch Haley  wrote:
 
> BTW, what are we talking about, now that the ad is gone?
> Was it a 124, an X1/9, or what?
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Re: [MBZ] Italian car

[clay]

If you do go that way, ignore the desire to get a really old classic soft top, 
and go with the 560SL.  Parts are cheap still, not being superseded and making 
your classic less classic with each repair.   Wheels are 15" and you will be 
more likely to find rubber that fits.  The one minus is that you will probably 
have to do a complete replacement of all seals and rubber bits.

clay



On Mar 7, 2013, at 6:02 PM, Max Dillon wrote:

> Thanks Dan.
> 
> Wow, not one positive comment.
> 
> I guess that an R107 is probably in my future, if we add a convertible to the 
> fleet.
> 
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
> 
> Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
>> Wow, the only worse Italian car I can think of would be a Fiat 124
>> Sport coupe, although I am sure there are others
>> 
>> One of my buddies had one of these (Spider convertible) when we were in
>> tech school. Despite having a complete campus full of automotive
>> diagnostic and repair resources literally at our fingertips, this car
>> was still a nightmare to keep running.
>> 
>> But it was fun to drive!
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Mar 7, 2013, at 4:37 PM, Max Dillon 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 1975 Fiat Spider (convertible).
>>> -- 
>>> Max Dillon
>>> Charleston SC
>>> '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
>>> 
>>> Mitch Haley  wrote:
>>> 
 BTW, what are we talking about, now that the ad is gone?
 Was it a 124, an X1/9, or what?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

[Craig]

On Sat, 9 Mar 2013 09:10:44 -0700 G Mann  wrote:

> SUNSHINE... not snow... Phoenix and below the Rim, doesn't get snow.
> Flagstaff on the other hand does.. a lot. I-40 is closed I hear. Travel
> the north at your own risk. Arizona is the only state that has all 4
> seasons on the same day due to the huge diversity of climate and
> geography.

Somehow I didn't see sunshine, which is what you initially wrote.

On http://www.az511.com/adot/files/traffic/, I see only,

Description winter Storm Alert
LocationOn Interstate 40, EW-bound from mile post 225.0, 5.30
miles West of TWO GUNS to mile post 185.0, 3.30 miles
East of PARKS REST AREAS
DurationMarch 9 from 9:44 A.M. to 2:00 P.M.

We are planning on I-40 to Holbrook, and then 377/277/260/87 to Phoenix.


> Back to shoveling the sunshine off the drive... naw.. I'll just let it
> build up, haha.

Good call. :-)


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT Dogde timing chain

[Gerry Archer]

Wouldn't that be a bad chain tensioner letting the chain flop?  Might be
replaceable if it's accessible.
Gerry

From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com>

Well, the timing chain is so loose on my dogde GC that it is slapping the
case and won't idle when cold.

Anybody have access to flatrate time to change timing chain on a 2000
Dogde Grand Caravat 3.3 engine?

I think the engine has to be dropped out which probably means it is not
worthwhile to do.  Its a shame, because the rest of it is rusty and worn
(as opposed to the normal CL/fleabay BLOWS ICE COLD, and photos with the
sun in the back so you can't see the flaws or even what color it is,
and/or dusk pictures with the lights on for the same reason.)

I've been operating under the old WWII Stars and stripes cartoon showing a
GI shoo ting his jeep in the head with a 45...drive it till it dies, then
sho ot it off to the junkyard.  But if the number of hours is not as bad
as I suspect, I might put a chain in it this spring and keep on.

TIA

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: you're advises please

[Gerry Archer]

Those were the "real old" days.  I drove a '28 Model A ice truck (probably
one of the first pickup type trucks) as a teenager.  Those were the "real,
real, old days".

The first car I had any monetary interest in at all was a model T touring
car.  Four of us teenagers went in together and bought it for $25.  It made
it back to the neighborhood from across town but we could never get it
started after that.
After we moved, an old fellow told them to take out the plugs and fill them
full of ether.  Started every time after that and the kids drove it until
the cops caught them for not having drivers licenses or a valid tag.
Gerry


Which OLD days?  I had '31 and '40 Fords and drove brothers' '49 Fords.
;<)

'Reminds me:  I need to write some Model A tales; got an A in public
speaking class at NC State College in about '55 for impromptu speech, "How
to Start a Model A."  Included generous motions, sound effects - the whole
bit.  Audience was thrilled and gave a rousing standing ovation.

Wilton


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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: you're advises please



Thanks, Curt. Needed that info on the Fiesta.  Fiesta has interference
engine and timing belt, but Ford says it only needs to be changed every
150K versus 60K to 100K for grand daughters Honda Accord.  I can live
with that. Some Focus models/years have chains; some have belts.
Son bought a Ford Fusion Hybrid for his business.  he's driven it about
75K and had zero faults of any kind.  Ford seems to have improved since
the old days.
Gerry

From: "Curt Raymond" 

Too right Gerry, I'm surprised by this attitude especially from Randy
who keeps cars long term. I think too many people buy a car they've been
told is "good" as opposed to one they like.

There was definitely an attitude from the '70s through the '90s that
American cars were junk which in the '70s  and '80s was definitely true
but these days thats just wrong. Honda and Toyota have just as many
problems and recalls (sometimes more) as anybody else and frankly just
about any car you buy is going to go at least 200,000 miles so you're
probably best of to buy something you'll enjoy.


The Fiesta (to answer your other question) handled high speed driving
just fine. I've found Civics to ride rough and yeah the Fiesta is not as
smooth as my 240D but it would be unfair to compare them on that level.
Its MUCH more powerful than a 240D, more than a 300D turbo for that
matter, maybe on par with a 190D 2.5 turbo without turbo lag.
I found it plenty comfortable, I'm not short and I thought it had plenty
of room. The Snooks of the world will probably find it cramped, he's
complained about a 201 before which I find vast for leg room.

I wouldn't hesitate to take a Fiesta on a long trip. I went from Burbank
down to Anaheim which is about an hour ride with no problem.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 22:30:51 -0500
From: "Gerry Archer" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: you're advises please
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How does the cost to purchase compare with a same vintage Honda
Civic?
I don't know what it is like where you folks are, but around here a
Ford
of any sort will depreciate much faster than a Honda and the Honda
will
be pretty bullet proof for a lot of miles.
Based upon that, if I could buy a Honda for similar money up front, I
would go with it as it will likely be worth more in a few years time
than the Ford.
Randy



Depreciation is waaay down the list of reasons to buy a particular >car.
At age 83, ease of maintainence, availability and cost of parts, >mpg,
ease
of entry and exit, roominess for driver, handling, ride, and >likelyhood
of
disastrous parts failure (interference engines); these are the
>principal
factors in my decision to buy a particular car.  If there was a >good
Mercedes indy who wasn't in the business of ripping off MB owners >near
here,
I would simply get him to keep my two MBs running and wouldn't >even
think
about buying another car.
I can still fix my MBs but its slow, some jobs are painful, and >its not
much
fun anymore.
Nevertheless, thanks for the information and suggestions,
Gerry



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[MBZ] OT Dogde timing chain

[Dieselhead]

Well, the timing chain is so loose on my dogde GC that it is slapping 
the case and won't idle when cold.


Anybody have access to flatrate time to change timing chain on a 2000 
Dogde Grand Caravat 3.3 engine?


I think the engine has to be dropped out which probably means it is 
not worthwhile to do.  Its a shame, because the rest of it is rusty 
and worn  (as opposed to the normal CL/fleabay BLOWS ICE COLD, and 
photos with the sun in the back so you can't see the flaws or even 
what color it is, and/or dusk pictures with the lights on for the 
same reason.)


I've been operating under the old WWII Stars and stripes cartoon 
showing a GI shoo ting his jeep in the head with a 45...drive it till 
it dies, then sho ot it off to the junkyard.  But if the number of 
hours is not as bad as I suspect, I might put a chain in it this 
spring and keep on.


TIA

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: you're advises please

[Mitch Haley]

Gerry Archer wrote:
Ford seems to have improved since 
the old days.


Right.
When people take stereotypes formed in the 1970s and 1980s and apply them to 
cars built today, it's pretty silly. Every time somebody says Toyota = Reliable 
but Ford = Rubbish, I want to laugh in their face.


Even back in the day, reliability had more to do with the owner than with the 
maker. In 235,000 miles, my Plymouth Horizon had the following failures:

Original battery in 13 months and 53,000 miles.
2 electrical connectors came loose in the first 10,000 miles due to not being 
fully plugged in at the factory.
Heater core (poor fitting joint a factory worker thought he could bridge with 
solder, and I was stupid enough to redo instead of replacing) 80,000 and 110,000 
miles.

Front wheel bearing got noisy at 70,000 miles
Other front wheel bearing got noisy at 120,000 miles.
Somewhere between the wheel bearings I had to replace a relay that I killed 
pressure washing under the hood.

Water pump leaked at 130,000 miles.
MAP sensor failed at 140,000 miles.
Replaced inner tie rod ends 140,000 miles.
Muffler rusted through about same time as MAP sensor died.
Alternator at 160,000 miles.

Failures that affected my ability to drive the car:
Had to push start when battery failed after I left headlights on for five 
minutes.
Had to unplug MAP sensor to start the car when it failed, probably took me 20-30 
minutes to start the car that day.


Although the defects were annoying (two electrical issues slightly so and the 
heater core very much so), I don't think I would have done that much better 
overall with a Civic or Corolla.
The stuff that was Chrysler's fault cost me 10 minutes of messing with the 
wiring behind the fuse box to make my taillights work the first week I owned the 
car, a five minute stop at the dealer a month later in which the service writer 
shoved a computer connector together to make my tachometer work, and the 
afternoon I spent resoldering the heater core. The afternoon I spent installing 
a new $56 heater core was my fault for trying to resolder something that didn't 
fit together right from the factory.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

[G Mann]

SUNSHINE... not snow... Phoenix and below the Rim, doesn't get snow.
Flagstaff on the other hand does.. a lot. I-40 is closed I hear. Travel the
north at your own risk. Arizona is the only state that has all 4 seasons on
the same day due to the huge diversity of climate and geography.

Back to shoveling the sunshine off the drive... naw.. I'll just let it
build up, haha.

Grant...

On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Craig  wrote:

> On Sat, 9 Mar 2013 08:58:16 -0700 G Mann  wrote:
>
> > Sorry to disappoint you by not posting. I've had to shovel the sunshine
> > off my drive 3 times already this morning.
> >
> > Grant... ARIZONA... The very best place to have winter. SHH
> > don't come.
>
> So where are you in Arizona, Grant, that you had to shovel snow? I'm
> asking because we are driving to your state on Monday.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

[Craig]

On Sat, 9 Mar 2013 08:58:16 -0700 G Mann  wrote:

> Sorry to disappoint you by not posting. I've had to shovel the sunshine
> off my drive 3 times already this morning.
> 
> Grant... ARIZONA... The very best place to have winter. SHH
> don't come.

So where are you in Arizona, Grant, that you had to shovel snow? I'm
asking because we are driving to your state on Monday.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

[G Mann]

Sorry to disappoint you by not posting. I've had to shovel the sunshine off
my drive 3 times already this morning.

Grant... ARIZONA... The very best place to have winter. SHH don't
come.

On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 7:06 AM, Peter Frederick wrote:

> I had hardly any email this morning, unlike the usual deluge. Everyone
> must be either staying in bed due to snowstorms our out working hard in the
> lovely weather we have here in Indiana today!
>
> I'll be out and about very shortly myself.
>
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: you're advises please

[WILTON]

Which OLD days?  I had '31 and '40 Fords and drove brothers' '49 Fords.  ;<)

'Reminds me:  I need to write some Model A tales; got an A in public 
speaking class at NC State College in about '55 for impromptu speech, "How 
to Start a Model A."  Included generous motions, sound effects - the whole 
bit.  Audience was thrilled and gave a rousing standing ovation.


Wilton


- Original Message - 
From: "Gerry Archer" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: you're advises please


Thanks, Curt. Needed that info on the Fiesta.  Fiesta has interference 
engine and timing belt, but Ford says it only needs to be changed every 
150K versus 60K to 100K for grand daughters Honda Accord.  I can live with 
that. Some Focus models/years have chains; some have belts.
Son bought a Ford Fusion Hybrid for his business.  he's driven it about 
75K and had zero faults of any kind.  Ford seems to have improved since 
the old days.

Gerry

From: "Curt Raymond" 
Too right Gerry, I'm surprised by this attitude especially from Randy who 
keeps cars long term. I think too many people buy a car they've been told 
is "good" as opposed to one they like.


There was definitely an attitude from the '70s through the '90s that 
American cars were junk which in the '70s  and '80s was definitely true 
but these days thats just wrong. Honda and Toyota have just as many 
problems and recalls (sometimes more) as anybody else and frankly just 
about any car you buy is going to go at least 200,000 miles so you're 
probably best of to buy something you'll enjoy.



The Fiesta (to answer your other question) handled high speed driving 
just fine. I've found Civics to ride rough and yeah the Fiesta is not as 
smooth as my 240D but it would be unfair to compare them on that level. 
Its MUCH more powerful than a 240D, more than a 300D turbo for that 
matter, maybe on par with a 190D 2.5 turbo without turbo lag.
I found it plenty comfortable, I'm not short and I thought it had plenty 
of room. The Snooks of the world will probably find it cramped, he's 
complained about a 201 before which I find vast for leg room.


I wouldn't hesitate to take a Fiesta on a long trip. I went from Burbank 
down to Anaheim which is about an hour ride with no problem.


-Curt

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 22:30:51 -0500
From: "Gerry Archer" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: you're advises please
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How does the cost to purchase compare with a same vintage Honda Civic?
I don't know what it is like where you folks are, but around here a 
Ford
of any sort will depreciate much faster than a Honda and the Honda 
will

be pretty bullet proof for a lot of miles.
Based upon that, if I could buy a Honda for similar money up front, I
would go with it as it will likely be worth more in a few years time
than the Ford.
Randy



Depreciation is waaay down the list of reasons to buy a particular >car.
At age 83, ease of maintainence, availability and cost of parts, >mpg, 
ease
of entry and exit, roominess for driver, handling, ride, and >likelyhood 
of

disastrous parts failure (interference engines); these are the >principal
factors in my decision to buy a particular car.  If there was a >good
Mercedes indy who wasn't in the business of ripping off MB owners >near 
here,
I would simply get him to keep my two MBs running and wouldn't >even 
think

about buying another car.
I can still fix my MBs but its slow, some jobs are painful, and >its not 
much

fun anymore.
Nevertheless, thanks for the information and suggestions,
Gerry



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Re: [MBZ] OT: USMC and NC trip.

[WILTON]

Travel safely.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Frederick Moir" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 10:23 AM
Subject: [MBZ] OT: USMC and NC trip.


Wilton.
I'll send on your congratulations, after he sobers up!
Add apple pie moonshine to a whole bunch of USMC fliers (and one USAF col.) 
stir with all manner of beer and wine etc. and cigars(Yuk!) and you have a 
good party. And so he will be in no shape to hear any thing 'til later.
Unfortunately, we will only be able to wave as we go by. I wish we could 
have arranged a meeting during the early part of the week
when we had more time, but, kids come first. Next time I will try to be 
smarter.

TTFN

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.




From: WILTON 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaky master cylinder?

Tell 'im I said, "Congratulations!" 'Wish 'im well.
BTW, time goes too fast; I retired from Air Force 31+ years ago.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Frederick Moir" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaky master cylinder?


#1 son retiring from USMC at Cherry Point, pilot, major. Vacation also.
We all saw him into Norwich, Parris Island, Quantico etc. First in last 
out.


Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.




From: WILTON 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaky master cylinder?

Golfing, buying, boating or all of the above?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Frederick Moir" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaky master cylinder?


Fairfield Harbor, near New Bern NC

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.




From: WILTON 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaky master cylinder?

Where in NC?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Frederick Moir" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaky master cylinder?


Dimitri.
Not this Sunday but next, I'll still be in NC on Sunday driving back
Sun/Mon.
Speedi-Bleed is a pressure bleeding kit with reservoir and a cap for
German
m/cyl fill ports.
Note:- check the rubber nubbies over the level sensors, I blew fluid all
over because they had perished and failed.
TTFN.

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.




From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2013 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaky master cylinder?

Fred, is the Speedi-Bleed a pressure or vacuum bleeder? I have a motive
pressure bleeder I received as a gift some years ago. I haven't really
used
it yet.
Will you be around this Sunday to meet up?

Sent from my iPhone



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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: you're advises please

[Gerry Archer]

Thanks, Curt. Needed that info on the Fiesta.  Fiesta has interference 
engine and timing belt, but Ford says it only needs to be changed every 150K 
versus 60K to 100K for grand daughters Honda Accord.  I can live with that. 
Some Focus models/years have chains; some have belts.
Son bought a Ford Fusion Hybrid for his business.  he's driven it about 75K 
and had zero faults of any kind.  Ford seems to have improved since the old 
days.

Gerry

From: "Curt Raymond" 
Too right Gerry, I'm surprised by this attitude especially from Randy who 
keeps cars long term. I think too many people buy a car they've been told 
is "good" as opposed to one they like.


There was definitely an attitude from the '70s through the '90s that 
American cars were junk which in the '70s  and '80s was definitely true 
but these days thats just wrong. Honda and Toyota have just as many 
problems and recalls (sometimes more) as anybody else and frankly just 
about any car you buy is going to go at least 200,000 miles so you're 
probably best of to buy something you'll enjoy.



The Fiesta (to answer your other question) handled high speed driving just 
fine. I've found Civics to ride rough and yeah the Fiesta is not as smooth 
as my 240D but it would be unfair to compare them on that level. Its MUCH 
more powerful than a 240D, more than a 300D turbo for that matter, maybe 
on par with a 190D 2.5 turbo without turbo lag.
I found it plenty comfortable, I'm not short and I thought it had plenty 
of room. The Snooks of the world will probably find it cramped, he's 
complained about a 201 before which I find vast for leg room.


I wouldn't hesitate to take a Fiesta on a long trip. I went from Burbank 
down to Anaheim which is about an hour ride with no problem.


-Curt

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 22:30:51 -0500
From: "Gerry Archer" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: you're advises please
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How does the cost to purchase compare with a same vintage Honda Civic?
I don't know what it is like where you folks are, but around here a 
Ford

of any sort will depreciate much faster than a Honda and the Honda will
be pretty bullet proof for a lot of miles.
Based upon that, if I could buy a Honda for similar money up front, I
would go with it as it will likely be worth more in a few years time
than the Ford.
Randy



Depreciation is waaay down the list of reasons to buy a particular >car.
At age 83, ease of maintainence, availability and cost of parts, >mpg, 
ease
of entry and exit, roominess for driver, handling, ride, and >likelyhood 
of

disastrous parts failure (interference engines); these are the >principal
factors in my decision to buy a particular car.  If there was a >good
Mercedes indy who wasn't in the business of ripping off MB owners >near 
here,

I would simply get him to keep my two MBs running and wouldn't >even think
about buying another car.
I can still fix my MBs but its slow, some jobs are painful, and >its not 
much

fun anymore.
Nevertheless, thanks for the information and suggestions,
Gerry



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Re: [MBZ] In mourning

[Michael Canfield]

So, does Trent drive German cars?  If so that's a plus on his side.

Mikd
On Mar 8, 2013 9:16 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:

> He drives German cars?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 8, 2013, at 6:38 PM, John Reames  wrote:
>
> > I'll give Trent a shot; he does own and drive German car(s), and is
> willing to do homework (poring over the MB EPC to learn a bit about it and
> how it works this weekend)
> >
> > The EPC is of high enough quality to make a convert out of people IMHO!
> >
> > --
> > John W Reames
> > jream...@verizon.net
> > Home: +14106646986
> > Mobile: +14437915905
> >
> > On Mar 6, 2013, at 21:31, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >
> >> And often the parts listed are simply not available at any price.
> >>
> >> I shall order some from Trent but will probably rely more on my local
> Car Quest.
> >>
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2013 20:33:09 -0500
> >> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com
> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] In mourning
> >> Message-ID: <7714a67c-5e3e-42b1-8a4c-5b234abfe...@yahoo.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii
> >>
> >> Autohaus had awful service. The people who man the phones don't know or
> give a damn about our cars and they are awkward and rude.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Leaky master cylinder?

[Michael Canfield]

Awesome!  Thank you to him and congrats to you for raising such a fine
young man.

Mike
On Mar 8, 2013 8:20 PM, "Frederick Moir"  wrote:

> #1 son retiring from USMC at Cherry Point, pilot, major.  Vacation also.
> We all saw him into Norwich, Parris Island, Quantico etc. First in last
> out.
>
> Fred Moir
> Lynn MA
> Diesel preferred.
>
>
> >
> > From: WILTON 
> >To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:34 PM
> >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaky master cylinder?
> >
> >Golfing, buying, boating or all of the above?
> >
> >Wilton
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "Frederick Moir" 
> >To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> >Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 11:25 AM
> >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaky master cylinder?
> >
> >
> >Fairfield Harbor, near New Bern NC
> >
> >Fred Moir
> >Lynn MA
> >Diesel preferred.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> From: WILTON 
> >>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >>Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 5:41 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaky master cylinder?
> >>
> >>Where in NC?
> >>
> >>Wilton
> >>
> >>- Original Message -
> >>From: "Frederick Moir" 
> >>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> >>Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 4:58 PM
> >>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaky master cylinder?
> >>
> >>
> >>Dimitri.
> >>Not this Sunday but next, I'll still be in NC on Sunday driving back
> >>Sun/Mon.
> >>Speedi-Bleed is a pressure bleeding kit with reservoir and a cap for
> German
> >>m/cyl fill ports.
> >>Note:- check the rubber nubbies over the level sensors, I blew fluid all
> >>over because they had perished and failed.
> >>TTFN.
> >>
> >>Fred Moir
> >>Lynn MA
> >>Diesel preferred.
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
> >>>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >>>Sent: Monday, March 4, 2013 12:18 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaky master cylinder?
> >>>
> >>>Fred, is the Speedi-Bleed a pressure or vacuum bleeder? I have a motive
> >>>pressure bleeder I received as a gift some years ago. I haven't really
> >>>used
> >>>it yet.
> >>>Will you be around this Sunday to meet up?
> >>>
> >>>Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Leaky master cylinder?

[Frederick Moir]

Hi, Max.
Thanks, I'll send on your congratulations.
I sent the gory details in an email to Wilton via the list. Read at your own 
risk!
 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.


>
> From: Max Dillon 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 9:15 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaky master cylinder?
> 
>Congrats all around!  Landed at Cherry Point once.  While waiting for a cab to 
>a rental car office, Blue Angels refueled.  They made refueling into a show, 
>even though their only audience were the handful of enlisted guys manning the 
>fuel hoses (and my wife and I, but we were unplanned and out of sight).
>
>-- 
>Max Dillon
>Charleston SC
>'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20
>
>
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[MBZ] OT: USMC and NC trip.

[Frederick Moir]

Wilton.
I'll send on your congratulations, after he sobers up!
Add apple pie moonshine to a whole bunch of USMC fliers (and one USAF col.) 
stir with all manner of beer and wine etc. and cigars(Yuk!) and you have a good 
party. And so he will be in no shape to hear any thing 'til later.
Unfortunately, we will only be able to wave as we go by. I wish we could have 
arranged a meeting during the early part of the week
when we had more time, but, kids come first. Next time I will try to be smarter.
TTFN
 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.


>
> From: WILTON 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 9:02 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaky master cylinder?
> 
>Tell 'im I said, "Congratulations!"  'Wish 'im well.
>BTW, time goes too fast; I retired from Air Force 31+ years ago.
>
>Wilton
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Frederick Moir" 
>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 8:20 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaky master cylinder?
>
>
>#1 son retiring from USMC at Cherry Point, pilot, major. Vacation also.
>We all saw him into Norwich, Parris Island, Quantico etc. First in last out.
>
>Fred Moir
>Lynn MA
>Diesel preferred.
>
>
>>
>> From: WILTON 
>>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>Sent: Thursday, March 7, 2013 12:34 PM
>>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaky master cylinder?
>>
>>Golfing, buying, boating or all of the above?
>>
>>Wilton
>>
>>- Original Message - 
>>From: "Frederick Moir" 
>>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 11:25 AM
>>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaky master cylinder?
>>
>>
>>Fairfield Harbor, near New Bern NC
>>
>>Fred Moir
>>Lynn MA
>>Diesel preferred.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> From: WILTON 
>>>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 5:41 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaky master cylinder?
>>>
>>>Where in NC?
>>>
>>>Wilton
>>>
>>>- Original Message - 
>>>From: "Frederick Moir" 
>>>To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>>Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 4:58 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaky master cylinder?
>>>
>>>
>>>Dimitri.
>>>Not this Sunday but next, I'll still be in NC on Sunday driving back
>>>Sun/Mon.
>>>Speedi-Bleed is a pressure bleeding kit with reservoir and a cap for 
>>>German
>>>m/cyl fill ports.
>>>Note:- check the rubber nubbies over the level sensors, I blew fluid all
>>>over because they had perished and failed.
>>>TTFN.
>>>
>>>Fred Moir
>>>Lynn MA
>>>Diesel preferred.
>>>
>>>

 From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2013 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Leaky master cylinder?

Fred, is the Speedi-Bleed a pressure or vacuum bleeder? I have a motive
pressure bleeder I received as a gift some years ago. I haven't really
used
it yet.
Will you be around this Sunday to meet up?

Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

[WILTON]

Me, too.  Beautiful weather here in eastern NC, also - sunny and 39F right 
now, headed to 61F.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Frederick" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?


I had hardly any email this morning, unlike the usual deluge. Everyone 
must be either staying in bed due to snowstorms our out working hard  in 
the lovely weather we have here in Indiana today!


I'll be out and about very shortly myself.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

[Gerry Archer]

Anybody there?
Wilton


I had hardly any email this morning, unlike the usual deluge. Everyone
must be either staying in bed due to snowstorms our out working hard
in the lovely weather we have here in Indiana today!
I'll be out and about very shortly myself.
Peter


It's the dark of the moon.  65% of the time there is more email during the
light of the moon than the dark of the moon.

More babies are born during the light of the moon.

Psychiatric wards go wild during the light of the moon.

There is much debate about the effect of the moon on human behaviour and
various research studies have disproven it, but employees of psychiatric and
obstetric wards know otherwise since they have to put in extra
supplies/drugs before the light of the moon.
Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: you're advises please

[Curt Raymond]

Too right Gerry, I'm surprised by this attitude especially from Randy who keeps 
cars long term. I think too many people buy a car they've been told is "good" 
as opposed to one they like.

There was definitely an attitude from the '70s through the '90s that American 
cars were junk which in the '70s  and '80s was definitely true but these days 
thats just wrong. Honda and Toyota have just as many problems and recalls 
(sometimes more) as anybody else and frankly just about any car you buy is 
going to go at least 200,000 miles so you're probably best of to buy something 
you'll enjoy.


The Fiesta (to answer your other question) handled high speed driving just 
fine. I've found Civics to ride rough and yeah the Fiesta is not as smooth as 
my 240D but it would be unfair to compare them on that level. Its MUCH more 
powerful than a 240D, more than a 300D turbo for that matter, maybe on par with 
a 190D 2.5 turbo without turbo lag.
I found it plenty comfortable, I'm not short and I thought it had plenty of 
room. The Snooks of the world will probably find it cramped, he's complained 
about a 201 before which I find vast for leg room.

I wouldn't hesitate to take a Fiesta on a long trip. I went from Burbank down 
to Anaheim which is about an hour ride with no problem.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 22:30:51 -0500
From: "Gerry Archer" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: you're advises please
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=response

>>> How does the cost to purchase compare with a same vintage Honda Civic?
>>> I don't know what it is like where you folks are, but around here a Ford 
>>> of any sort will depreciate much faster than a Honda and the Honda will 
>>> be pretty bullet proof for a lot of miles.
>>> Based upon that, if I could buy a Honda for similar money up front, I 
>>> would go with it as it will likely be worth more in a few years time 
>>> than the Ford.
>>> Randy

>Depreciation is waaay down the list of reasons to buy a particular >car.
>At age 83, ease of maintainence, availability and cost of parts, >mpg, ease 
>of entry and exit, roominess for driver, handling, ride, and >likelyhood of 
>disastrous parts failure (interference engines); these are the >principal 
>factors in my decision to buy a particular car.  If there was a >good 
>Mercedes indy who wasn't in the business of ripping off MB owners >near here, 
>I would simply get him to keep my two MBs running and wouldn't >even think 
>about buying another car.
>I can still fix my MBs but its slow, some jobs are painful, and >its not much 
>fun anymore.
>Nevertheless, thanks for the information and suggestions,
>Gerry 


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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

[Peter Frederick]

I had hardly any email this morning, unlike the usual deluge. Everyone  
must be either staying in bed due to snowstorms our out working hard  
in the lovely weather we have here in Indiana today!


I'll be out and about very shortly myself.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Anybody there?

[WILTON]

Nope; just 'lectrons.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "mercedes list" 
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 8:58 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Anybody there?



Wilton
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[MBZ] Anybody there?

[WILTON]

Wilton
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