Re: [MBZ] Epic Score

2013-03-21 Thread Jim Cathey
I had electric things, since there is magic involved and not pure 
mechanical physics


The pre-1990 MB electronics are, mostly, nearly that simple.
Especially pre-1980.

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Re: [MBZ] Epic Score

2013-03-21 Thread Jim Cathey

The only problems with the SLC windows
were the flaking louvers in the back windows and one switch that needed
cleaning over the 100,000 that I had the car.


The electric window mechanisms (and the door check stops) in the
107 are magnificent pieces of engineering, unlike the wretched
pot-metal bits of the 123/126, etc.

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Re: [MBZ] 210 e320 no start

2013-03-21 Thread Jim Cathey
weird battery failure mode. (probably internal open circuit from 
breakage)


And _that_ is freakin' dangerous.

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Re: [MBZ] 210 e320 no start

2013-03-21 Thread Mitch Haley

Dieselhead wrote:


4.  OTHER?


Apparently Crank Position Sensor is one possibility, but the tach seems to 
work...

Another possibility might be the MAF.
I suppose I could try unplugging the MAF and see if it limps home...

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Re: [MBZ] 210 e320 no start

2013-03-21 Thread Mitch Haley

Dieselhead wrote:


4.  OTHER?


I hope it's not a key recognition problem, especially now that I remember the 
key was hard to turn, I pulled it out and reinserted it, and then it died when I 
started it.


But if it was a problem with the key/security, why would it dutifully crank 
every time?


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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat Epic Score

2013-03-21 Thread Dan Penoff
Let me clarify that:  It has the "builder's approval", not meet or exceed.

Dan


On Mar 21, 2013, at 10:17 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

> Checking Mobil's specs, it meets or exceeds 229.5, also.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> On Mar 21, 2013, at 10:15 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
> 
>> You are flat out wrong, Kaleb.
>> 
>> It is MB approved in 229.5, which applies to the M119 engine in my car.
>> 
>> 229.51, which is for later model cars than my S500, specifies the ESP 
>> version of the 0W-40, although I would point out that it is also acceptable 
>> in nearly all current production gas engines as specified in 223.2.
>> 
>> Check the MB specs - that's right out of the MB Operating Fluids extranet 
>> which you can find here:
>> 
>> http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/index.php?language_id=1
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 21, 2013, at 9:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>> 
>>> That's not the mb approved stuff, what you are probably thinking about is 
>>> the esp formula
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat Epic Score

2013-03-21 Thread Dan Penoff
Checking Mobil's specs, it meets or exceeds 229.5, also.

Dan


On Mar 21, 2013, at 10:15 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

> You are flat out wrong, Kaleb.
> 
> It is MB approved in 229.5, which applies to the M119 engine in my car.
> 
> 229.51, which is for later model cars than my S500, specifies the ESP version 
> of the 0W-40, although I would point out that it is also acceptable in nearly 
> all current production gas engines as specified in 223.2.
> 
> Check the MB specs - that's right out of the MB Operating Fluids extranet 
> which you can find here:
> 
> http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/index.php?language_id=1
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> On Mar 21, 2013, at 9:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> 
>> That's not the mb approved stuff, what you are probably thinking about is 
>> the esp formula
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat Epic Score

2013-03-21 Thread Dan Penoff
You are flat out wrong, Kaleb.

It is MB approved in 229.5, which applies to the M119 engine in my car.

229.51, which is for later model cars than my S500, specifies the ESP version 
of the 0W-40, although I would point out that it is also acceptable in nearly 
all current production gas engines as specified in 223.2.

Check the MB specs - that's right out of the MB Operating Fluids extranet which 
you can find here:

http://bevo.mercedes-benz.com/index.php?language_id=1

Dan


On Mar 21, 2013, at 9:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> That's not the mb approved stuff, what you are probably thinking about is the 
> esp formula
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


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Re: [MBZ] 210 e320 no start

2013-03-21 Thread Mitch Haley

Dieselhead wrote:
My 99 wagon cranks and fires, then dies. Like a 124 or 201 with a bad 
fuel
pump relay. I don't know where the relay is, or if it's a smart relay 
like

a 201. Anybody with a good idea can call me at 517***6676767or I'll
try to check the list.


1.  FUEL PUMP RELAY, AS YOU MENTIONED.



2.  FUEL FILTER


Was running fine, even at full throttle, on the way to town. I dropped somebody 
off and when I restarted two minutes later, I stuck it in reverse and it died. 
(I usually slip it into reverse while it's still cranking)

Haven't had it running more than 5 seconds straight since.



3. BAD BATTERY


I've restarted it or had it run through a full cranking cycle (10 seconds?) 
about 20-30 times since I first parked it at the hospital. It still starts if I 
let it sit for several minutes, just dies right after it starts.



4.  OTHER?


Off to Google now that I'm home.

BTW, no codes stored according to my scangauge. The only code it's ever set in 
the year I've owned it is for evaporative emissions, and I haven't seen that one 
since the weather got cold last fall.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 210 e320 no start

2013-03-21 Thread Dieselhead

My 99 wagon cranks and fires, then dies. Like a 124 or 201 with a bad fuel
pump relay. I don't know where the relay is, or if it's a smart relay like
a 201. Anybody with a good idea can call me at 517***6676767or I'll
try to check the list.


1.  FUEL PUMP RELAY, AS YOU MENTIONED.
2.  FUEL FILTER
3. BAD BATTERY
4.  OTHER?

On 85 380, I checked the battery, charged the battery while waiting 
for Fuel filter and relay.  Got used FP relay and new F Filter. 
Changed the relay, no change.  Changed the filter, no change. 
Scratched head.  Checked battery. OK.  Let it sit a day or two.  Came 
back battery was dead flat, would not charge.  Changed battery. 
Problem solved.  Old Relay tested and ok.  old filter checked and 
fuel passed without restriction.  been 5 yrs now.  no more problem.


This IS unusual and not in anyone else's experience that I have heard 
of.  Seems to have been some kind of weird battery failure mode. 
(probably internal open circuit from breakage)


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Re: [MBZ] Somewhat Epic Score

2013-03-21 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
That's not the mb approved stuff, what you are probably thinking about is the 
esp formula

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 21, 2013, at 8:28 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Was at the local WalMart tonight to start stocking up on the ever elusive 
> 0W-40 "European" Mobil1.  $6.79 a quart. Ouch.
> 
> So I bend down to put one of the bottles in the basket I was carrying, and lo 
> and behold, right there on the bottom shelf are 5 quart bottles of the same 
> for $24.79
> 
> So, doing the math:
> 
> 1 quart bottle - $6.79 x 8 = $54.32 ($6.79/quart)
> 
> 2 - 5 quart bottles at $24.79/ea = $49.58 (4.96/quart)
> 
> And my Walmart is a rural one, which has minimal or no stock on such 
> oddities.  Add to this that I never found anything on Mobil's web site 
> indicating they sold the 0W-40 in anything but quarts.  It's a good day.
> 
> Dan
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[MBZ] Somewhat Epic Score

2013-03-21 Thread Dan Penoff
Was at the local WalMart tonight to start stocking up on the ever elusive 0W-40 
"European" Mobil1.  $6.79 a quart. Ouch.

So I bend down to put one of the bottles in the basket I was carrying, and lo 
and behold, right there on the bottom shelf are 5 quart bottles of the same for 
$24.79

So, doing the math:

1 quart bottle - $6.79 x 8 = $54.32 ($6.79/quart)

2 - 5 quart bottles at $24.79/ea = $49.58 (4.96/quart)

And my Walmart is a rural one, which has minimal or no stock on such oddities.  
Add to this that I never found anything on Mobil's web site indicating they 
sold the 0W-40 in anything but quarts.  It's a good day.

Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Epic Score

2013-03-21 Thread OK Don
IIRC, the center pivot for the big spring was pot metal, and broke in both
of the manual window cars I had. I fabricated new ones from a large bolt
with a grinding wheel and hack saw, over the better part of a day each
time. I worried that the electric windows in the '76 300D would be even
more trouble, but I only had to clean switches - they were trouble free
over the 150,000 miles otherwise. The only problems with the SLC windows
were the flacking louvers in the back windows and one switch that needed
cleaning over the 100,000 that I had the car. Now, the engine was another
story!

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 7:28 PM, clay  wrote:

> Another valid point.
>
> I was able to fix the issue in Gump, which was manual.  I had electric
> things, since there is magic involved and not pure mechanical physics
>
> clay
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Epic Score

2013-03-21 Thread clay
Another valid point.

I was able to fix the issue in Gump, which was manual.  I had electric things, 
since there is magic involved and not pure mechanical physics

clay

On Mar 21, 2013, at 5:22 PM, OK Don wrote:

> I had much more trouble (broken parts) with the manual windows in the W115
> chassis cars than the electric windows. It's much easier to replace or
> clean a switch than to fix or replace the mechanism. There are a lot of
> parts in common between the W115 and the R107 ---
> 
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 2:48 PM, clay  wrote:
> 
>> A valid idea.  It would solve the issue with the power windows.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] Epic Score

2013-03-21 Thread OK Don
I had much more trouble (broken parts) with the manual windows in the W115
chassis cars than the electric windows. It's much easier to replace or
clean a switch than to fix or replace the mechanism. There are a lot of
parts in common between the W115 and the R107 ---

On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 2:48 PM, clay  wrote:

> A valid idea.  It would solve the issue with the power windows.
>
> clay
>



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Re: [MBZ] OT: States Rights coming back?

2013-03-21 Thread Michael Canfield
I know it applies to the IRS.

Mike
On Mar 21, 2013 12:56 AM, "G Mann"  wrote:

> "Artistic license in action"  ;))
>
> Actually I think it may be the baseline for all 3 letter agencies.
>
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 3:40 PM, OK Don  wrote:
>
> > I thought that was the FAA's motto --- "We are not happy until you are
> not
> > happy"
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 10:38 PM, G Mann  wrote:
> >
> > > "I'm from the IRS and I'm here to help you. Remember, we are not happy
> > > until you are not happy"
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Then "New Q"

2013-03-21 Thread Mountain Man
Randy wrote:
> I hope you suggested he might like to monitor this list and comment on
> occasion like Rusty did.

Trent nor Rusty want the biz to suffer.
Let him learn the ropes, and then ask him to join this gizz.
mao

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[MBZ] 210 e320 no start

2013-03-21 Thread mlh
My 99 wagon cranks and fires, then dies. Like a 124 or 201 with a bad fuel
pump relay. I don't know where the relay is, or if it's a smart relay like
a 201. Anybody with a good idea can call me at 517***6676767or I'll
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Re: [MBZ] Then "New Q"

2013-03-21 Thread Dan Penoff
I was checking in from work, and to say it was a busy day was an 
understatement.  Today was the first day this week I had any semblance of a 
lunch hour.  Not that I mind, as I like the day to go so fast I lose track of 
time

Next time I speak with him I'll mention it.  I will say that I noticed the web 
site has been straightened out.

Dan


On Mar 21, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:

> I hope you suggested he might like to monitor this list and comment on 
> occasion like Rusty did.
> It has to be good for business.
> 
> Randy
> 
> On 21/03/2013 3:52 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
>> Just wanted to report that I requested a quote and placed an order with 
>> Trent today. I got much the same level of service that I have in the past 
>> from Rusty.
>> 
>> Trent was very helpful and quick to respond when I had a question about the 
>> manufacturer of a specific part I requested. He also went the extra mile and 
>> gave me some alternatives from other acceptable suppliers as well.
>> 
>> All in all a very good experience. I think Trent is going to work out just 
>> fine for those of you who might have reservations about the "New Q".
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Then "New Q"

2013-03-21 Thread WILTON
'Zackly.  'Can get clues on parts needed and offer prices, etc., just by 
"listening in" and chiming in.  Don't be bashful.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Bennell" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Then "New Q"


I hope you suggested he might like to monitor this list and comment on 
occasion like Rusty did.

It has to be good for business.

Randy

On 21/03/2013 3:52 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
Just wanted to report that I requested a quote and placed an order with 
Trent today. I got much the same level of service that I have in the past 
from Rusty.


Trent was very helpful and quick to respond when I had a question about 
the manufacturer of a specific part I requested. He also went the extra 
mile and gave me some alternatives from other acceptable suppliers as 
well.


All in all a very good experience. I think Trent is going to work out 
just fine for those of you who might have reservations about the "New Q".


Dan



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Re: [MBZ] Then "New Q"

2013-03-21 Thread Randy Bennell
I hope you suggested he might like to monitor this list and comment on 
occasion like Rusty did.

It has to be good for business.

Randy

On 21/03/2013 3:52 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Just wanted to report that I requested a quote and placed an order with Trent 
today. I got much the same level of service that I have in the past from Rusty.

Trent was very helpful and quick to respond when I had a question about the 
manufacturer of a specific part I requested. He also went the extra mile and 
gave me some alternatives from other acceptable suppliers as well.

All in all a very good experience. I think Trent is going to work out just fine for those 
of you who might have reservations about the "New Q".

Dan



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Re: [MBZ] Then "New Q"

2013-03-21 Thread WILTON

Good to hear.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff" 
To: "Mercedes List" ; "Banned List" 


Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 4:52 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Then "New Q"


Just wanted to report that I requested a quote and placed an order with 
Trent today. I got much the same level of service that I have in the past 
from Rusty.


Trent was very helpful and quick to respond when I had a question about 
the manufacturer of a specific part I requested. He also went the extra 
mile and gave me some alternatives from other acceptable suppliers as 
well.


All in all a very good experience. I think Trent is going to work out just 
fine for those of you who might have reservations about the "New Q".


Dan

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[MBZ] Then "New Q"

2013-03-21 Thread Dan Penoff
Just wanted to report that I requested a quote and placed an order with Trent 
today. I got much the same level of service that I have in the past from Rusty.

Trent was very helpful and quick to respond when I had a question about the 
manufacturer of a specific part I requested. He also went the extra mile and 
gave me some alternatives from other acceptable suppliers as well.

All in all a very good experience. I think Trent is going to work out just fine 
for those of you who might have reservations about the "New Q".

Dan

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[MBZ] '84 300D upper control arms

2013-03-21 Thread G. M. Brown

Since my brother had an episode in the '85 300TD where the front sway bar broke 
and we've been told that this is a common occurence,  so I was trying to have 
some preventive maintenance done on my 300D by replacing the sway bar bushings. 
 I'd been hearing groaing noises near the firewall upon traversing bumps (Note: 
squirting silicon spay in/near the sway bar bushings on the firewall would 
resolve this temporarily), and my two front tires were wearing really odd and 
quickly.  As it turned out, my local indy (EuroSpec) replaced the upper control 
arms and the sway bar bushings and aligned the front suspension, and I had two 
new tires installed.  Some of the bushings were in terrible shape; I'm gonna' 
take some photos of these if anyone is interested.
 
G. M. Brown
Brevard, NC   
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Re: [MBZ] Epic Score

2013-03-21 Thread clay
A valid idea.  It would solve the issue with the power windows.

clay

On Mar 21, 2013, at 7:11 AM, Max Dillon wrote:

> You should grab all the crank window parts, in the future you could convert 
> your car, or sell them to someone else.
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Re: [MBZ] Epic Score

2013-03-21 Thread clay
I am so pleased.  The SLC has a bunch of corrosion, but I did not touch the 
fuel injectors.  I am sorry I left them,  Be looking at going back in a week to 
grab them.

clay

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> Finding "gold" in a pick n pull is one of the most exciting things! Nice job!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 20, 2013, at 10:47 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I think I have one of those.  If spring ever springs, I will try to dig it 
>> out and report to ya.  Meanwhile, January continues
>> 
>> 
>>> I really could use a better Tach/clock combo that will show real numbers 
>>> instead of just flopping about
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
>>> 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
>>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
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[MBZ] Happy moose day

2013-03-21 Thread clay
Trooper Shoots Fairbanks Moose That Trampled Woman
http://www.ktuu.com/news/troopers-shoots-fairbanks-moose-that-trampled-woman-031913,0,922216.story?track=rss
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Re: [MBZ] Epic Score

2013-03-21 Thread Randy Bennell

The Weather Eye says we are up to minus 6C and the sun is shining.
Wind is light at 4kph from the north.
So, not too bad out right now at 2PM, CDT.

When the sun starts to go down, it will feel much colder pretty quickly.
Supposed to warm up somewhat next week.
We are below normals for this time of year.

Randy


On 21/03/2013 11:15 AM, WILTON wrote:

Cool spring day here - 46F and sunny; 55F tomorrow.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Epic Score



On 20/03/2013 9:47 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

 Meanwhile, January continues




You are not kidding.
Not much melting happening here yet.
Minus 20C this morning.
High today supposed to be minus 9C but at least it is not snowing.

Randy





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[MBZ] OT: Tampa wind. was: Epic score

2013-03-21 Thread Gerry Archer

From: "Dan Penoff" 
> When you're downtown like I am, the wind really whips up between the 
buildingssnip.


It does.  When the '47 hurricane hit I was working at the Tampa Tribune 
which was on Kennedy Blvd (Grand Central then) about four blocks from the 
bridge.
I got off work at 11 pm and started walking toward the bridge.  A huge gust 
of wind got behind me, and to keep from falling down, I started running. 
The wind eased just before I got to the river and I was able to stop.  A 
stronger wind might have meant a swim in the Hillsborough River.
Gerry 



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Re: [MBZ] Epic Score

2013-03-21 Thread Dan Penoff
Could be.

When you're downtown like I am, the wind really whips up between the buildings 
and makes it feel a lot colder than it is.

Bunch of wusses down here. Gets in the 40s and people are running around in 
parkas and mittens.  That's jacket weather to me...

Dan Great White North veteran

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On Mar 21, 2013, at 1:20 PM, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:

> That's strange.  NOAA says it's 66F in Tampa Bay and my thermometer, 80 miles 
> up the West Florida coast, says 64F at 1:14 pm.  Of course, 64F can be 
> sweater/coat weather to long time Florida residents.
> 
> http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Tampa&state=FL&site=TBW&textField1=27.959&textField2=-82.4821
> 
> Gerry
> 
> From: "Dan Penoff" 
>> Locals are complaining about the low 50s with a breeze today. I think it 
>> feels great!
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Mar 21, 2013, at 12:15 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Cool spring day here - 46F and sunny; 55F tomorrow.
>>> 
>>> Wilton
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" 
>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 11:38 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Epic Score
>>> 
>>> 
 On 20/03/2013 9:47 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
> Meanwhile, January continues
 You are not kidding.
 Not much melting happening here yet.
 Minus 20C this morning.
 High today supposed to be minus 9C but at least it is not snowing.
 Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Epic Score

2013-03-21 Thread Gerry Archer
That's strange.  NOAA says it's 66F in Tampa Bay and my thermometer, 80 
miles up the West Florida coast, says 64F at 1:14 pm.  Of course, 64F can be 
sweater/coat weather to long time Florida residents.


 
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?CityName=Tampa&state=FL&site=TBW&textField1=27.959&textField2=-82.4821

Gerry

From: "Dan Penoff" 
Locals are complaining about the low 50s with a breeze today. I think it 
feels great!

Dan

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 21, 2013, at 12:15 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:


Cool spring day here - 46F and sunny; 55F tomorrow.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Epic Score



On 20/03/2013 9:47 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

Meanwhile, January continues

You are not kidding.
Not much melting happening here yet.
Minus 20C this morning.
High today supposed to be minus 9C but at least it is not snowing.
Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Epic Score

2013-03-21 Thread Dan Penoff
Locals are complaining about the low 50s with a breeze today. I think it feels 
great!

Dan

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 21, 2013, at 12:15 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:

> Cool spring day here - 46F and sunny; 55F tomorrow.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 11:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Epic Score
> 
> 
>> On 20/03/2013 9:47 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
>>> Meanwhile, January continues
>> You are not kidding.
>> Not much melting happening here yet.
>> Minus 20C this morning.
>> High today supposed to be minus 9C but at least it is not snowing.
>> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Epic Score

2013-03-21 Thread WILTON

Cool spring day here - 46F and sunny; 55F tomorrow.

Wilton

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From: "Randy Bennell" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Epic Score



On 20/03/2013 9:47 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

 Meanwhile, January continues




You are not kidding.
Not much melting happening here yet.
Minus 20C this morning.
High today supposed to be minus 9C but at least it is not snowing.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Epic Score

2013-03-21 Thread Randy Bennell

On 20/03/2013 9:47 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

 Meanwhile, January continues




You are not kidding.
Not much melting happening here yet.
Minus 20C this morning.
High today supposed to be minus 9C but at least it is not snowing.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Transmission Mount

2013-03-21 Thread WILTON

Goobered has a peanut origin; boogered has a nostril origin.  ;<)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Transmission Mount


Hey look, goobered and boogered are like anagrams that mean the same 
thing.  There must be a word for that.  Buggered does too, but has U in 
it.


--R

On 3/21/13 11:10 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
Please understand that I am not pointing fingers or placing blame. 
Considering that this is a used car and had multiple owners there is no 
way to know the details of its history.


I suspect that the original bolt got damaged and someone used a 
non-standard replacement, which is what most likely caused it to get 
boogered up.


Not a big deal, just a little frustrating when you roll under the car 
expecting to take 30 minutes and ending up taking longer.


What's important is that I was able to sort it out with minimal effort. 
Considering the amount of work I have done on the car since I got it this 
is the first and only time I have found something goobered up.


Dan

On Mar 21, 2013, at 10:26 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:


Dan Penoff wrote:

I had to remove the bracket with the mount, then use a socket, brass 
drift and BFH to drive the bolt out.
I guess every used car has its share of surprises, but I assumed your 
140 wouldn't have surprises of the 'buggered by last fool who worked on 
it' nature.


Reminds me of my first Saab, a 99EMS that I bought from the original 
owner. 20,000 miles after I bought it, I checked the air filter (which 
had been replaced by an import specialist indy just before I bought the 
car) and found the bottom of the filter was seated off center and the 
car had been sucking about 1/3 to 1/2 unfiltered air for as long as that 
filter had been in the car.
I took the filter in to the indy and showed them the mark from the part 
of the filter housing that was supposed to go INSIDE the filter, and the 
guy basically said "so, what?". That should have been my first 
indication that I should never let anybody else touch one of my cars.



Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Transmission Mount

2013-03-21 Thread WILTON

Especially the guy who said, "so, what?"

'81 300D I bought from 90-year-old friend in 2000 had an air filter 
cartridge that was about an inch too short, and oil filter cartridge had not 
been changed in MANY years, though owner had been paying for new ones at 
every 3 kmi oil change.  Inside of oil filter was DRY, DRY, DRY - black but 
DRY.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Transmission Mount



Dan Penoff wrote:

I had to remove the bracket with the mount, then use a socket, brass 
drift and BFH to drive the bolt out.




I guess every used car has its share of surprises, but I assumed your 140 
wouldn't have surprises of the 'buggered by last fool who worked on it' 
nature.


Reminds me of my first Saab, a 99EMS that I bought from the original 
owner. 20,000 miles after I bought it, I checked the air filter (which had 
been replaced by an import specialist indy just before I bought the car) 
and found the bottom of the filter was seated off center and the car had 
been sucking about 1/3 to 1/2 unfiltered air for as long as that filter 
had been in the car.
I took the filter in to the indy and showed them the mark from the part of 
the filter housing that was supposed to go INSIDE the filter, and the guy 
basically said "so, what?". That should have been my first indication that 
I should never let anybody else touch one of my cars.



Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Transmission Mount

2013-03-21 Thread Rich Thomas
Hey look, goobered and boogered are like anagrams that mean the same 
thing.  There must be a word for that.  Buggered does too, but has U in it.


--R

On 3/21/13 11:10 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Please understand that I am not pointing fingers or placing blame. Considering 
that this is a used car and had multiple owners there is no way to know the 
details of its history.

I suspect that the original bolt got damaged and someone used a non-standard 
replacement, which is what most likely caused it to get boogered up.

Not a big deal, just a little frustrating when you roll under the car expecting 
to take 30 minutes and ending up taking longer.

What's important is that I was able to sort it out with minimal effort. 
Considering the amount of work I have done on the car since I got it this is 
the first and only time I have found something goobered up.

Dan

On Mar 21, 2013, at 10:26 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:


Dan Penoff wrote:


I had to remove the bracket with the mount, then use a socket, brass drift and 
BFH to drive the bolt out.

I guess every used car has its share of surprises, but I assumed your 140 
wouldn't have surprises of the 'buggered by last fool who worked on it' nature.

Reminds me of my first Saab, a 99EMS that I bought from the original owner. 
20,000 miles after I bought it, I checked the air filter (which had been 
replaced by an import specialist indy just before I bought the car) and found 
the bottom of the filter was seated off center and the car had been sucking 
about 1/3 to 1/2 unfiltered air for as long as that filter had been in the car.
I took the filter in to the indy and showed them the mark from the part of the filter 
housing that was supposed to go INSIDE the filter, and the guy basically said "so, 
what?". That should have been my first indication that I should never let anybody 
else touch one of my cars.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Transmission Mount

2013-03-21 Thread Dan Penoff
Please understand that I am not pointing fingers or placing blame. Considering 
that this is a used car and had multiple owners there is no way to know the 
details of its history.

I suspect that the original bolt got damaged and someone used a non-standard 
replacement, which is what most likely caused it to get boogered up.

Not a big deal, just a little frustrating when you roll under the car expecting 
to take 30 minutes and ending up taking longer.

What's important is that I was able to sort it out with minimal effort. 
Considering the amount of work I have done on the car since I got it this is 
the first and only time I have found something goobered up.

Dan

On Mar 21, 2013, at 10:26 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Dan Penoff wrote:
> 
>> I had to remove the bracket with the mount, then use a socket, brass drift 
>> and BFH to drive the bolt out.
> 
> I guess every used car has its share of surprises, but I assumed your 140 
> wouldn't have surprises of the 'buggered by last fool who worked on it' 
> nature.
> 
> Reminds me of my first Saab, a 99EMS that I bought from the original owner. 
> 20,000 miles after I bought it, I checked the air filter (which had been 
> replaced by an import specialist indy just before I bought the car) and found 
> the bottom of the filter was seated off center and the car had been sucking 
> about 1/3 to 1/2 unfiltered air for as long as that filter had been in the 
> car.
> I took the filter in to the indy and showed them the mark from the part of 
> the filter housing that was supposed to go INSIDE the filter, and the guy 
> basically said "so, what?". That should have been my first indication that I 
> should never let anybody else touch one of my cars.
> 
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Transmission Mount

2013-03-21 Thread Mitch Haley

Dan Penoff wrote:


I had to remove the bracket with the mount, then use a socket, brass drift and 
BFH to drive the bolt out.



I guess every used car has its share of surprises, but I assumed your 140 
wouldn't have surprises of the 'buggered by last fool who worked on it' nature.


Reminds me of my first Saab, a 99EMS that I bought from the original owner. 
20,000 miles after I bought it, I checked the air filter (which had been 
replaced by an import specialist indy just before I bought the car) and found 
the bottom of the filter was seated off center and the car had been sucking 
about 1/3 to 1/2 unfiltered air for as long as that filter had been in the car.
I took the filter in to the indy and showed them the mark from the part of the 
filter housing that was supposed to go INSIDE the filter, and the guy basically 
said "so, what?". That should have been my first indication that I should never 
let anybody else touch one of my cars.



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Re: [MBZ] Epic Score

2013-03-21 Thread Max Dillon
You should grab all the crank window parts, in the future you could convert 
your car, or sell them to someone else.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

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Re: [MBZ] Epic Score

2013-03-21 Thread dseretakis
Finding "gold" in a pick n pull is one of the most exciting things! Nice job!

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On Mar 20, 2013, at 10:47 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think I have one of those.  If spring ever springs, I will try to dig it 
> out and report to ya.  Meanwhile, January continues
> 
> 
>> I really could use a better Tach/clock combo that will show real numbers 
>> instead of just flopping about
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
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Re: [MBZ] Epic Score

2013-03-21 Thread John Reames
Yeah, old man winter continues to flip off the robins when he hears them every 
morning...

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On Mar 20, 2013, at 22:47, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think I have one of those.  If spring ever springs, I will try to dig it 
> out and report to ya.  Meanwhile, January continues
> 
> 
>> I really could use a better Tach/clock combo that will show real numbers 
>> instead of just flopping about
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Transmission Mount

2013-03-21 Thread Dan Penoff
Thanks.

That I know, but for doing the mount I don't have to loosen the lock nut on the 
drive shaft.

What should have been a 30 minute job turned into a good hour.

On the 140, the mount is an arrangement where a long bolt goes through the 
mount and a bracket that is bolted to the back of the transmission case. The 
nut on the through bolt had its corners stripped off and the bolt itself was 
not the proper size and had been driven with force into the aluminum bore in 
the mount, effectively seizing it.

I had to remove the bracket with the mount, then use a socket, brass drift and 
BFH to drive the bolt out.

Fortunately I have a wonderful Ace Hardware close by, so I was able to find the 
properly sized metric bolt and nut to replace what had been in the old mount.

Once everything was in place I tightened it up and called it a night.

Certainly not the same as a 123 or 126 transmission mount, but under normal 
circumstances should be a fairly simple job.

Dan

On Mar 21, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Rolf  wrote:

> Not sure about that but make sure you dont tighten up the lock nut on the DS 
> with the car in the air. Put it down, roll it back and forth a bit to let it 
> settle and then tighten it.
> 
> On 3/20/2013 3:38 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
>> Getting ready to do this on the 140 since I had to make a work trip over by 
>> the dealer today. I was planning on Friday but since I was driving right by 
>> I went ahead and got it...
>> 
>> I was reading last night over at Benzworld and someone mentioned a STAR 
>> article about doing the transmission mount and how important it was to 
>> "destress" the mount when installing it.
>> 
>> Anyone know what they are talking about?
>> 
>> I presume they are referring to installing the mount and tightening things 
>> up while they are in the proper position, as opposed to say bolting the 
>> mount to the crossmember, then raising it up and bolting it to the tranny?
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Transmission Mount

2013-03-21 Thread Rolf
Not sure about that but make sure you dont tighten up the lock nut on 
the DS with the car in the air. Put it down, roll it back and forth a 
bit to let it settle and then tighten it.


On 3/20/2013 3:38 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Getting ready to do this on the 140 since I had to make a work trip over by the 
dealer today. I was planning on Friday but since I was driving right by I went 
ahead and got it...

I was reading last night over at Benzworld and someone mentioned a STAR article about 
doing the transmission mount and how important it was to "destress" the mount 
when installing it.

Anyone know what they are talking about?

I presume they are referring to installing the mount and tightening things up 
while they are in the proper position, as opposed to say bolting the mount to 
the crossmember, then raising it up and bolting it to the tranny?

Dan

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