Re: [MBZ] AC Compressor
Hi Don, I'm interested! I'll contact you off list. Jaime On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 8:01 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I have a partial tank of virgin R12 that I'm not likely to use since I sold all the old cars. I'll weigh it and estimate how much is left and make a price if anyone is interested in it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pinstripes WAS:123 coupe trivia
I wouldn't bet the farm on it but I'm reasonably sure both my 240Ds have had sticker or tape type pinstripes... -Curt Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 21:40:08 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Pinstripes WAS:123 coupe trivia Message-ID: a06240820cda0e8bafe9f@[192.168.0.108] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 ; format=flowed All the original (dealer added) pinstripes i've seen on MBs were painted. THe quality varies. I have seen some with a maker's mark I can take em or leave em. Factory pinstripes were on BMW /2 and /5 and some /6 motorsickles. My /5 was factory silver with blue stripes. Being a bit of a throwback, I thought R series cycles should be schwarz/wei? so I got the tanks and fenders painted with black imron, then asked around for someone who could pinstripe by hand. I found a guy, took the tank and fenders to him and waited. The finished product was a real work of art. The stripes were better than factory and each side of the tank has a white vine with inscription. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Pinstripes WAS:123 coupe trivia
You can go ahead and bet the farm on it. They are taped in place. On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I wouldn't bet the farm on it but I'm reasonably sure both my 240Ds have had sticker or tape type pinstripes... -Curt Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 21:40:08 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Pinstripes WAS:123 coupe trivia Message-ID: a06240820cda0e8bafe9f@[192.168.0.108] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 ; format=flowed All the original (dealer added) pinstripes i've seen on MBs were painted. THe quality varies. I have seen some with a maker's mark I can take em or leave em. Factory pinstripes were on BMW /2 and /5 and some /6 motorsickles. My /5 was factory silver with blue stripes. Being a bit of a throwback, I thought R series cycles should be schwarz/wei? so I got the tanks and fenders painted with black imron, then asked around for someone who could pinstripe by hand. I found a guy, took the tank and fenders to him and waited. The finished product was a real work of art. The stripes were better than factory and each side of the tank has a white vine with inscription. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ISS Alert
I was able to look at it last night but couldn't make out any detail. I'm thinking about getting out the refractor telescope and doing it hand held to see if I can keep it in view. I'm sure i could see something with that... Dan On Apr 26, 2013, at 11:27 PM, WILTON wrote: Hour of so before the passage, I had gone out into back yard for a trial run with binoculars against tree to see if I could get down low enough to look upward through the stable binoculars; found that I could and had the viewing planned. At appointed time (well, almost), I went out to viewing spot and got nearly in place thinking I'd have plenty of time by catching it entering my field of view to NW; when it didn't appear where and when I thought it would, I looked all around and above and caught it slightly past directly overhead. Evidently had taken me a little longer in the dark to get down steps and outside and in place with the walker, etc., than I had planned for - to put it another way - I was LATE, and I couldn't get in place by the tree before it went behind tree tops to SE. I'll be better prepared next time. Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] ISS Alert On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:40:28 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Let us know what happens The ISS came over about 20 minutes ago, northwest to southeast. Got quite high in the sky. I had my binoculars tonight and was able to train them on the Station. Unfortunately, I had nothing to brace them on and was not able to see much detail for all the jumping around in the view. It was definitely was not a point, but did have structure. I was talking to a friend on the phone while we were both watching and he noticed it high in the sky before I saw it. I was still looking at the house to the northwest waiting for it to come up and apparently it was somewhat dim when it came up. It was plenty bright when it was overhead, though. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 coupe trivia
I had an 85 300D coupe. Wicked little car for a diesel, and very nicely appointed. The previous owner was the son of the manager of the parts distribution center in Montvale, NJ for MBUSA. To say that the car was well appointed was an understatement. MB mats, burl wood trim, etc. All sorts of nice touches. Once the waste gate was adjusted properly that car was bad*ss. It was 040 black, and had no pin stripe. Original paint, too. Dan On Apr 26, 2013, at 11:58 PM, ernest breakfield wrote: i guess since the Coupe already has a lower roof, it already looks longer than the sedan to me (even if it isn't), but seems to be right about balanced to my eye. makes the sedans look like a passenger box in the middle of an otherwise well-balanced car. but as much as i might appreciate the work that goes into well-done pinstripes (and even think they look good on the older BMW motos), i can't think of many cars i've seen with and without them where they didn't look to me like they detracted from the natural lines of the car. always interesting how different things look best to different people! cheers! e (who still hopes to find a clean 123 turbo-coupe some day...) On 26/Apr/13 19:31, WILTON wrote: My thoughts, too. Wilt - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, April 26, 2013 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 coupe trivia I don't agree. The pinstripes add an element of horizontality that makes the car look longer. Andrew Who h On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 10:14 PM, ernest breakfield erne...@backyardengineering.org wrote: IMHO, i think that original or not, the shape of the 123 Coupe is best flattered without the distraction of pinstripes. cheers! e On 25/Apr/13 13:54, Dwight Giles wrote: My 300CD that was crunched under the tree branches from the blizzard last winter is slowly coming back to a cosmetic restoration. All rotten metal cut out and welded, new MB front fenders-I splurged for MB ones. New paint #934 China Blue. Question-it had the two pinstripes along the sides. Were they original? If not do I want to put them back? Thanks, Dwight. 1982 300CD 1990 300D __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Vietnam Veterans Memorial
WILTON wrote: The tragedy of the Vietnam War is exceeded by only slavery and the Civil War as this nation's greatest tragedy. Not only were thousands of fine, young Americans sacrificed needlessly, sent into harm's way by a government with no commitment to a resolution to the conflict, but the conflict divided the country like nothing else since the Civil War. When I was of draft age, I registered for Selective Service, but with the intent to refuse if they followed the example set in Korea and Vietnam of drafting with no declaration of war. I would have just told the draft board to give me a call when/if Congress ever declared war, as I felt that conscription was entirely unjustified outside of war. I've changed my mind since then. I now feel that conscription is slavery of the worst kind, and the 13th Amendment outlaws human slavery. If the country isn't facing a genuine threat to its survival, it's got no business sending citizens to their deaths against their will. If the country is facing a genuine threat to its survival, it doesn't need conscription, it can fight the attackers with volunteers. If the country is facing a genuine threat to its survival and its citizens don't want to fight to defend it, then that country's culture is so sick that it doesn't deserve to survive. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Vietnam Veterans Memorial
My oldest brother was approaching draft age as the Vietnam war was winding down, but my Dad, a hard core Nixon Republican, was adamant that none of us would be drafted for this war. In anticipation of the approaching draft he was making arrangements to transfer to a division of GM that was based in Canada. His stated rationale was that if we were in Canada then he would refuse to allow us to register and we could stay there as conscientious objectors. My sister took off with a draft dodger hippie guy in the early 70s who went to the area around Revelstoke, BC (Selkirk Mountains) and lived in a commune. I went through the area back in the 90s and many of the people that bailed due to the war are still there. It's a weird place, like going back in time. Beautiful country, though. Dan On Apr 27, 2013, at 8:50 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: When I was of draft age, I registered for Selective Service, but with the intent to refuse if they followed the example set in Korea and Vietnam of drafting with no declaration of war. I would have just told the draft board to give me a call when/if Congress ever declared war, as I felt that conscription was entirely unjustified outside of war. I've changed my mind since then. I now feel that conscription is slavery of the worst kind, and the 13th Amendment outlaws human slavery. If the country isn't facing a genuine threat to its survival, it's got no business sending citizens to their deaths against their will. If the country is facing a genuine threat to its survival, it doesn't need conscription, it can fight the attackers with volunteers. If the country is facing a genuine threat to its survival and its citizens don't want to fight to defend it, then that country's culture is so sick that it doesn't deserve to survive. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Vietnam Veterans Memorial
As I said, I was upset, 'cause I KNEW it was gonna be a screwed up mess like Korea. Also thought that we should not get involved without full, national knowledge and consent and a proper declaration of war as necessary. After way too many years playing at it, we finally fought the war for 11 days. 'Went into Iraq with the same type of BS. Governments don't have memories and, therefore, never learn. I knew we were in trouble in Iraq when I saw US Marines kicking down their doors and holding guns on their wives and children. Then we stood by and watched as the people destroyed their own infrastructure by all-out, free-for-all looting. Then the stage was firmly set when Mr. Governor (Whas'is name, Bremmer or Brenner?), with one stroke of a pen, did away with all of their government, all of their police and all of their military and sent all of those well-trained people home mad as hell, with no jobs and all of their guns and ammo. Less than 24 hours later, they set off first roadside IED. 'Screwed up Afghanistan by trying to do it cheap, and let Taliban and Al-Qaida get away to sanctuary in Pakistan, then turned our backs on Afghanistan hoping Taliban and Al-Qaida would just go away. There's more, but I'll try to calm down, now. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Vietnam Veterans Memorial WILTON wrote: The tragedy of the Vietnam War is exceeded by only slavery and the Civil War as this nation's greatest tragedy. Not only were thousands of fine, young Americans sacrificed needlessly, sent into harm's way by a government with no commitment to a resolution to the conflict, but the conflict divided the country like nothing else since the Civil War. When I was of draft age, I registered for Selective Service, but with the intent to refuse if they followed the example set in Korea and Vietnam of drafting with no declaration of war. I would have just told the draft board to give me a call when/if Congress ever declared war, as I felt that conscription was entirely unjustified outside of war. I've changed my mind since then. I now feel that conscription is slavery of the worst kind, and the 13th Amendment outlaws human slavery. If the country isn't facing a genuine threat to its survival, it's got no business sending citizens to their deaths against their will. If the country is facing a genuine threat to its survival, it doesn't need conscription, it can fight the attackers with volunteers. If the country is facing a genuine threat to its survival and its citizens don't want to fight to defend it, then that country's culture is so sick that it doesn't deserve to survive. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Vietnam Veterans Memorial
My sister's are early high school, the coop is all over the map though. Many (most?) of the kids have at least one army or ex-army parent (Fort Bragg) so they might have a bit more appreciation. On the other hand they are rabidly neocon overall so you would need to stay away from current events... ;) Best, Tim On Apr 25, 2013 6:10 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Maybe so. What ages are the children; I was thinking high school, etc. 'You think younger would/could understand it OK? Wilton - Original Message - From: Tim Crone bb...@crone.us To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Vietnam Veterans Memorial On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 10:13 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Thnks, glad to have the opportunity. Wilton My sister is involved in a big homeschool coop in Harnett County, would you be interested in presenting to them? They could probably make a day trip out of it, not sure what all is in Goldsboro other than the AFB. (And of course I can't say for sure that she or the others would go for it, but I didn't want to suggest it without asking you.) Also it would be worth checking with the high school history teachers, they would probably love to have you come so they don't have to do a lesson plan - I mean speak to their students. :) Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 95 S500 POS
There is some show on DSC channel where they bought a trashed S500 for $1k and were going to spend $1k to fix it up and sell it for $5k in 3 days. OMG. So far it looks like a trashed POS. --R (sent from my miniPad) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Vietnam Veterans Memorial
Well, as you can see, of course, the Vietnam presentation is about stuff that occurred 40 to 60 years ago. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Tim Crone bb...@crone.us To: Mercedes List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Vietnam Veterans Memorial My sister's are early high school, the coop is all over the map though. Many (most?) of the kids have at least one army or ex-army parent (Fort Bragg) so they might have a bit more appreciation. On the other hand they are rabidly neocon overall so you would need to stay away from current events... ;) Best, Tim On Apr 25, 2013 6:10 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Maybe so. What ages are the children; I was thinking high school, etc. 'You think younger would/could understand it OK? Wilton - Original Message - From: Tim Crone bb...@crone.us To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Vietnam Veterans Memorial On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 10:13 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Thnks, glad to have the opportunity. Wilton My sister is involved in a big homeschool coop in Harnett County, would you be interested in presenting to them? They could probably make a day trip out of it, not sure what all is in Goldsboro other than the AFB. (And of course I can't say for sure that she or the others would go for it, but I didn't want to suggest it without asking you.) Also it would be worth checking with the high school history teachers, they would probably love to have you come so they don't have to do a lesson plan - I mean speak to their students. :) Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 95 S500 POS
Such as that was the reason I made the comments about some of those shows a few months ago taking POS's and cleaning 'em up, maybe some paint and other cosmetics and selling them for big $$. That's why I asked then, Aren't they still, basically, shiny POS's? Sometimes, POS on hyd suspension? Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 11:39 AM Subject: [MBZ] 95 S500 POS There is some show on DSC channel where they bought a trashed S500 for $1k and were going to spend $1k to fix it up and sell it for $5k in 3 days. OMG. So far it looks like a trashed POS. --R (sent from my miniPad) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 95 S500 POS
Heh. $1000 wouldn't even get you started if it's a W140 with issues. With that in mind, I will say that my experiences with my W140 have been wonderful. It's an exquisite car to drive, and shows the progression from previous models in the many refinements of both performance as well as luxury. It's frightfully over engineered, which can make it a real money pit to maintain and repair (I am talking W140s in general, not my specific car.) As I learn more about the W140 the more I like it. I can see me finding a nice S500 sedan for the wife in the near future. Dan On Apr 27, 2013, at 11:39 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: There is some show on DSC channel where they bought a trashed S500 for $1k and were going to spend $1k to fix it up and sell it for $5k in 3 days. OMG. So far it looks like a trashed POS. --R (sent from my miniPad) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 95 S500 POS
Wilton, I think the term is polished turd. Sadly, there are a lot of people out there who will buy a car on appearance alone. I suspect this is a big part of their market, as there is no way you can make a lot of these cars truly viable without far more work and expense. Dan On Apr 27, 2013, at 11:55 AM, WILTON wrote: Such as that was the reason I made the comments about some of those shows a few months ago taking POS's and cleaning 'em up, maybe some paint and other cosmetics and selling them for big $$. That's why I asked then, Aren't they still, basically, shiny POS's? Sometimes, POS on hyd suspension? Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 11:39 AM Subject: [MBZ] 95 S500 POS There is some show on DSC channel where they bought a trashed S500 for $1k and were going to spend $1k to fix it up and sell it for $5k in 3 days. OMG. So far it looks like a trashed POS. --R (sent from my miniPad) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 95 S500 POS
Yeah, that's it! Sometimes, I just can't come up with right word(s) when I need it/them. Lota times I hafta go ahead and say/write it, and after I go to bed, all sorts of much better stuff comes to mind. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 95 S500 POS Wilton, I think the term is polished turd. Sadly, there are a lot of people out there who will buy a car on appearance alone. I suspect this is a big part of their market, as there is no way you can make a lot of these cars truly viable without far more work and expense. Dan On Apr 27, 2013, at 11:55 AM, WILTON wrote: Such as that was the reason I made the comments about some of those shows a few months ago taking POS's and cleaning 'em up, maybe some paint and other cosmetics and selling them for big $$. That's why I asked then, Aren't they still, basically, shiny POS's? Sometimes, POS on hyd suspension? Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 11:39 AM Subject: [MBZ] 95 S500 POS There is some show on DSC channel where they bought a trashed S500 for $1k and were going to spend $1k to fix it up and sell it for $5k in 3 days. OMG. So far it looks like a trashed POS. --R (sent from my miniPad) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 95 S500 POS
On Apr 27, 2013, at 10:58 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I think the term is polished turd. And yes... It is possible to polish a turd. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFIfeature=youtube_gdata_player Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Topsider Oil removal
That was back when things were made to LAST! Larry On 4/26/2013 8:10 PM, OK Don wrote: The can is one my Dad bought in MPLS in the 1940s. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Vietnam Veterans Memorial
Dan Penoff wrote: My oldest brother was approaching draft age as the Vietnam war was winding down, but my Dad, a hard core Nixon Republican, was adamant that none of us would be drafted for this war. In anticipation of the approaching draft he was making arrangements to transfer to a division of GM that was based in Canada. His stated rationale was that if we were in Canada then he would refuse to allow us to register and we could stay there as conscientious objectors. That's one way around it. My sister took off with a draft dodger hippie guy in the early 70s who went to the area around Revelstoke, BC (Selkirk Mountains) and lived in a commune. I went through the area back in the 90s and many of the people that bailed due to the war are still there. It's a weird place, like going back in time. Beautiful country, though. I must say I've got more respect for Cassius Clay This police action is wrong, I'd rather go to jail than participate than I have for the illegal aliens in Canada. (I don't have a lot of respect for the illegal aliens here either.) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 95 S500 POS
Seems typical of those kinds of shows - can't see their value personally - one always ignores the mechanics time when calculating cost Vs profit - evidently he works for free. His work is mostly OK but then it's free... The others make little sense to me also - one guy has a Ferrari F40 arrive in a closed trailer - the side bodywork and from windshield forward is destroyed - but they are considering paying 400K for it and selling it for a million. I don't know where they get their prices but they seem pretty ,umm, optimistic. The price of Ferrari parts if like W140 parts X4 so I'm told. But this is just an example of what they always seem to do - yet when I watch Mecom or Barret Jackson Auctions I am always seeing cars selling for less than what their cost is estimated to be. Oh well, it's not my money... On 4/27/2013 12:52 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Apr 27, 2013, at 10:58 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I think the term is polished turd. And yes... It is possible to polish a turd. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFIfeature=youtube_gdata_player Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - Vietnam Veterans Memorial
In my view, there is nothing admirable in a man that lets other men and their children fight for him, but cheats his way out of doing his own part. I don't mean real COs who have the courage to face the consequences. As Wilton pointed out. The strategy in SEA (and also Iraq) was a cluster from the start. The fix is political: communicate with your elected representatives and, if they don't change course, get rid of them at the next opportunity. There is also passive resistance: public demonstrations, public speech, and now the Internet. I also respect such demonstrators, whether I agree with them or not. I wouldn't say that about the armchair generals who can bloviate all day long but do never do anything. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 95 S500 POS
On Apr 27, 2013, at 10:58 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I think the term is polished turd. And yes... It is possible to polish a turd. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiJ9fy1qSFIfeature=youtube_gdata_player Rick Famous feces were popular back during the Kennedy era. They were sealed in a glass ampoule and mounted on a polished board with an engraved brass plate identifying the famous person. The concept has expanded to include other effusions of famous people as described here: http://worldofwonder.net/archives/2005/04/27/famous_feces/ Here's a popular related video some may not yet have seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxoOvj9XngM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Febi rocker arms for 617.91 - feedback
The poor guy is busier than a one legged man in a butt kicking contest. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Apr 26, 2013, at 18:55, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Is he still in business? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 26, 2013, at 5:42 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: WILTON wrote: Yeah, I appreciate that, too, but where is Q, Jr.? Trying to run his business? It sounds like he's still a bit overwhelmed. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Febi rocker arms for 617.91 - feedback
I'm glad that he seems to be doing well,then; busy in business is a helluva lot better than not busy enough. 'Hope he can catch up soon and get comfortable enough for us to hear from him directly. We do want him to do well; not only is it right to wish a business man well, is also in our best interest that he do well and be comfortable with us. I think I have enough of the return line tubing to take care of the little problem that I know about right now, but I know that there's likely something else that I don't know about yet that I'll need to speak to Q, Jr. about. Wilton - Original Message - From: John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Febi rocker arms for 617.91 - feedback The poor guy is busier than a one legged man in a butt kicking contest. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Apr 26, 2013, at 18:55, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Is he still in business? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 26, 2013, at 5:42 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: WILTON wrote: Yeah, I appreciate that, too, but where is Q, Jr.? Trying to run his business? It sounds like he's still a bit overwhelmed. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 95 S500 POS
I saw that show, that was a parts car they bought but they did manage to put it back together. In the end all try needed to so was have the tba rebuilt and they would have been set Sent from my iPhone On Apr 27, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: There is some show on DSC channel where they bought a trashed S500 for $1k and were going to spend $1k to fix it up and sell it for $5k in 3 days. OMG. So far it looks like a trashed POS. --R (sent from my miniPad) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 95 S500 POS
On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:36:26 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I saw that show, that was a parts car they bought but they did manage to put it back together. In the end all try needed to so was have the tba rebuilt and they would have been set tba? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Topsider Oil removal
On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 10:11:45 -0400 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I have a plastic gas can I put a barb fitting in the vent hole for the extraction hose and the fill/pour hole is just right to jam the vac hose into. Turn on the vac and it sorta collapses (the Visual Vacuum Indicator) while sucking out the oil. The barb cost a buck, the hose was a buck, I had the old gas can, so the $2 oil sucker You might want to find an old metal tank like propane or refrigerant or helium but then you would not have the VVI feature. The VVI feature can go wrong, as shown in the web page I wrote in January, 2003. I've attached a ZIP file of the web page. Unzip it somewhere and open how.not.html with your web browser. Craig P.S. Dan, I've sent this to you directly since it's over the list's 40 kB threshold. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] This is the car I want.
Toyota concept of the Swiss Army knife of cars Toyota has unveiled a no frills electric car concept that it claims offers the practicality of four cars in one. The Toyota ME.WE concept, designed by the Japanese brand and European industrial designer Jean-Marie Massaud, can be configured as a ute, off-roader, semi-convertible or a city car. The Toyota Yaris-sized five-seater is designed to be an eco-warrior, with recyclable materials used through the body and the cabin. It features weight-saving polypropylene body panels that save about 180 kilograms over steel, a bamboo floor and dash, and a lightweight aluminium underbody. It weighs just 750kg but despite its lithe kerb weight, it still features a four-wheel-drive system. There's a bank of batteries under the body of the car, and four in-wheel electric motors for constant propulsion, even on slippery surfaces. The name ME.WE stems from the car's apparent concern for individual freedom (that's the 'ME' bit) and its responsibility towards society (that's the 'WE' part). Inside the ME.WE has a simple interior with polypropylene bench seats that the company claims can be taken out of the car and used as picnic chairs. It features a smartphone docking station, with an app for sat-nav guidance and controlling the car's air temperature. The back-end can extend into a ute-like tray for carting longer parcels, and the roof section features a luggage hold with an expandable neoprene cover. Toyota says the wind-in-the-hair experience of driving a convertible can be had by opening all four large side windows and lowering the front windscreen. The car is on show at the company's Paris showroom on the Champs-Élysées until June 12. Toyota says it has no current plans for a production version of the ME.WE. http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/8599640/Toyota-concept-the-Swiss-Army-knife-of-cars ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] APPROACHING MY TWILIGHT YEARS
From a friend: As I approach my twilight years, I am struck by the inevitability that the party must end. And one clear, cold morning after I'm gone, my spouse will awaken in the warmth of our bedroom and be struck with the pain of learning that sometimes there isn't anymore. No more hugs, no more special moments to celebrate together, no more phone calls just to chat, no more just one minute. Sometimes, what we care about the most gets all used up and goes away, never to return before we can say goodbye, or say I love you. So while we have it, its best we love it, care for it, fix it when it's broken and heal it when it's sick. This is true for marriage.And old cars, and children with bad report cards, and dogs with bad hips, and aging parents and grandparents. We keep them because they are worth it, because we are worth it. Some things we keep -- like a best friend who moved away or a son in law after divorce. There are just some things that make us happy, no matter what. Life is important, like people we know who are special. And so, we keep them close! Suppose one morning you never wake up, do all your friends know how you really feel? The important thing is to let every one of your friends know your true feelings, even if you think they don't love you back. So, just in case I'm gone tomorrow, please rest assured I voted against that a--hole, Obama. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Topsider Oil removal
On Fri, 26 Apr 2013 09:59:35 -0600 Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: I've attached a ZIP file of the web page. Unzip it somewhere and open how.not.html with your web browser. Craig P.S. Dan, I've sent this to you directly since it's over the list's 40 kB threshold. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com So what happened to the link for others to be able to download the ZIP file? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 95 S500 POS
On Apr 27, 2013 1:53 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:36:26 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I saw that show, that was a parts car they bought but they did manage to put it back together. In the end all try needed to so was have the tba rebuilt and they would have been set Throttle body actuator, a notoriously troublesome and expensive part on that vintage of Mercedes V-8 and V-12. Alrx ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 95 S500 POS
Another case for ACLing it? ;) Meaningless sentence 'less we know what tba is. Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 95 S500 POS On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 15:36:26 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: I saw that show, that was a parts car they bought but they did manage to put it back together. In the end all try needed to so was have the tba rebuilt and they would have been set tba? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 95 S500 POS
Remember watching it. I was disappointed they didn't at least try to get a rebuilt or working used TB so they could get it running. I imagine the starter was toast after all the endless cranking, sounded horrible. What did they end up getting for it, $1K I think? On 4/27/2013 5:31 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Throttle body actuator, a notoriously troublesome and expensive part on that vintage of Mercedes V-8 and V-12. Alrx -- Chris J. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 95 S500 POS
WILTON wrote: Another case for ACLing it? ;) Meaningless sentence 'less we know what tba is. Throttle body actuator? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership
Following in the same vein, I would ask how many of those intentional homicides were done with a gun? I'm not challenging the subject matter, just the statistics. Dan On Apr 23, 2013, at 7:13 PM, G Mann wrote: Hopefully, without inflaming any ones passions, on either side of the very personal choice about owning or exercising an act of self defense, by any means. I submit the following. I believe the information shown in the two world wide charts to have been collected with reasonable care, by people who do such things. A picture, it is said, is worth a thousand words: I leave you to draw your own conclusions vis a vi your on conscience and choices. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fw: Gun Ownership
On Sat, 27 Apr 2013 19:03:32 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: Following in the same vein, I would ask how many of those intentional homicides were done with a gun? I'm not challenging the subject matter, just the statistics. From http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8 Expanded Homicide Data Table 8 Murder Victims by Weapon, 2007–2011 Weapons 20072008200920102011 Handguns 7,398 6,800 6,501 6,115 6,220 Rifles 453 380 351 367 323 Shotguns457 442 423 366 356 Other guns 116 81 96 93 97 Firearms, type not stated1,705 1,825 1,828 1,933 1,587 Total firearms:10,129 9,528 9,199 8,874 8,583 Knives or cutting instruments 1,817 1,888 1,836 1,732 1,694 Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.) 647 603 623 549 496 Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)[1] 869 875 817 769 728 Poison 10 9 7 11 5 Explosives1 11 2 4 12 Fire131 85 98 78 75 Narcotics52 34 52 45 29 Drowning 12 16 8 10 15 Strangulation 134 89 122 122 85 Asphyxiation109 87 84 98 89 Other weapons or weapons not stated1,005 999 904 872 853 Total non-firearms 4,787 4,696 4,553 4,2904,081 Total14,916 14,224 13,752 13,164 12,664 [1] Pushed is included in personal weapons. --- Now compare that with automobiles: http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/transportation/motor_vehicle_accidents_and_fatalities.html 200720082009 Motor vehicle accidents (millions) 10.610.210.8 Motor vehicle deaths within 1 year (thousands) 43.939.735.9 withing 30 days(thousands) 41.337.433.8 Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Gun Ownership
Following in the same vein, I would ask how many of those intentional homicides were done with a gun? Is it just me, or does anybody else see intentional homicide and not even care by what means a murdering SOB did the crime? I mean, sure guns are an easy murder choice, but does anybody really think that that having to do a little more work is going to dissuade someone hell-bent on murder? Lack of a gun might delay them a bit, but _stop_? OTOH I am older, slower, weaker, and less numerous than most who might attempt to prey upon me or mine. Thank you Mr. Colt for making it possible for me to not live in fear. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] APPROACHING MY TWILIGHT YEARS
Love it! -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners
A local guy attacked his girlfriend/shackup with a hammer a couple days ago. We must ban hammers! Hammers kill. If we can save just one child...it will all be worth it. Here is the case for hammer control: A single consumer product holds our nation hostage: the hammer. We live our lives in the shadow of the unparalleled lethality of these easily concealed hammers. This permanent state of fear has become so accepted that we rarely even acknowledge it. where hammers are routinely portrayed as effective self-defense tools posing little risk to the user. Although these claims are not borne out by the facts, they live on. At the same time, hammer violence itself is sanitized by the media. The damage inflicted on a human being by a hammer head entering the body is uniquely traumatic. An August 2012 article in the Commonwealth Medical Journal offered this dry description of the forces at work when a hammer enters human flesh: As a hammer passes along its track in the body, it lacerates and damages tissues by doing work on them-that is, by transferring to the tissues the kinetic energy it is carrying. An equal and opposite amount of work is done on the hammer by the tissues. Where along the track this work is done is determined, in part, by the construction of the hammer. But this clinical description cannot convey the destructive capacity of a single hammer. A 2010 Los Angeles Blather article describing the effect of two hits from a 16 oz. claw hammer offers a more complete picture: The first hammer strike, went into his chest angling down. It fractured the fifth rib on the way in, bored through both lobes of the left lung, and fractured the seventh rib on the way. Not always a fatal woundThe killer was the second hit. It hit the bone and cartilage of the sternum. That flattened a little, increasing its diameter and widening the wound channel it punched through the left ventricle chamberThe hammer left the heart, and went into the left lung. In its passage, the hammer stretched and displaced for milliseconds the heart muscles, valves and chambers, forming what trauma surgeons know as the `temporary cavity.' It created a temporary space the size of a baseball Not surprisingly, the injuries stemming from the wound ballistics described above bear little resemblance to the hammer violence portrayed on television and in the movies. Rarely, if ever, are viewers exposed to the physical trauma of real-life hammer victims: disfiguring injury and long-term disability. Fear, physical pain, and death are just part of the price Americans pay for the easy access of hammers. This is because the hammer bought for Do-it yourself projects is far more likely to be used against the owner or someone known to the owner-in a homicide (usually as the result of an argument), a suicide, or an unintentional strike than in legitimate home improvement . Contrary to popular perception, most hammer deaths are not crime related. Most of 1997's estimated hammer death toll of 21,311 people were either suicides or homicides resulting from arguments between people who knew one another. In fact, it is estimated that less than 7.5 percent of all hammer deaths are felony-related. According to 1997 federal government statistics, for every time a citizen used a hammer to justifiably kill a stranger in self-defense, an estimated 109 lives were lost in hammer homicides, suicides, and unintentional hammer strikes. America's hammer-control movement knows that the most effective approach to reducing hammer death and injury would be to ban these weapons. Yet few today are willing to publicly support such a measure. From the 1960s to the early 1980s, a national hammer ban was an accepted policy goal that hammer-control advocates supported and defended. Yet, by the late 1980s and early 1990s, most of America's hammer control movement, bowing to political reality, had moved away from the issue. Buffeted by the winds of opinion polls, the guiding principal became not what would work most effectively, but what would sell to the general public most easily. Fearful of becoming enmeshed in the hammer lobby's slippery slope argument (that any hammer control, no matter how limited, is the first step toward total hammer confiscation), many actively voiced their opposition to a hammer ban, warning that ban proponents would marginalize the entire movement. They could offer no proof of this claim-yet the argument took hold. What might have been defended as a short-term political strategy in the 1980s makes little sense in the new millennium. The 1990s reshaped the way Americans view hammer violence. In the early 1990s, America's cities were torn apart by a flood of new, high-capacity semiautomatic pistols that put unprecedented killing power into the hands of warring drug gangs, organized criminals, marginalized youths, and ordinary law-abiding citizens. By 1993 the hammer death
Re: [MBZ] Paint Colors and forum nastiness in green tights
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