Re: [MBZ] Correlation or causation?

[Gerry Archer]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies,_damned_lies,_and_statistics

Take your pick.
Gerry

From: "OK Don" 

As attributed  by Mark Twain, but I don't think anyone has found it in
Disraeli's writtings, so the speculation is that Samuel Clemens made up 
the

attribution to give it more credance (that theory also fitts nicely with
"47% of all statistics are made up on the spot").


On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Frederick Moir 
wrote:



Benjamin Disraeli!

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.


>
> From: OK Don 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 6:12 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Correlation or causation?
>
>
>Yup, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
>Mark twain
>





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Re: [MBZ] Interview?

[Craig]

On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 22:55:44 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin"
 wrote:

> I thought you had somebody contact you about a job in ok not too long
> ago?

Yes, a recruiter from Halliburton for a job in Duncan, OK. He called me
back on Monday, 17 June, saying the position in Houston for which I had
applied was filled internally, but he had a position in Duncan. He said
positions in Duncan were hard to fill. Since I had never heard of Duncan,
I told him I would check it out and call him back that evening before he
left work (20 minutes later) or the following day. That's when I posted
the question about Duncan to the list.

I called him back the following day (Tuesday, 18 June) as I had said I
would and left a voicemail message about the position. I then called him
back Wednesday morning and left a message. I then called him back
Wednesday afternoon and left a message. I then sent a connection request
on LinkedIn (he's a LION -- LinkedIn Open Networker, meaning he accepts
all connection requests) and he accepted it. I then sent him a note on
LinkedIn saying, "Thank you for the connection. I appreciate your work on
my behalf." I have heard nothing back from him. I have called him more
since then. I have thought of calling him on Monday and saying how
disappointed I am that he suggested Duncan, OK, and that I haven't heard
from him for more a week. There has been some discussion on LinkedIn
under J.T. O'Donnell's writings about recruiters and what low-lifes they
are. I would think a company employee, recruiting for his company, would
be different, but apparently not.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Interview?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I thought you had somebody contact you about a job in ok not too long ago?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:29 PM, Craig  wrote:

> On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 19:30:55 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
>> Craig,
>> 
>> Not to pry, but how did your interview go?  Any chance you might be
>> living in upstate NY soon?
> 
> The interview with Houghton College today went well. I did not feel
> pressured or at a loss for words for the answers to any of the questions
> they asked. I was able to ask several of my own questions.
> 
> In the first part of the interview, I was asked to describe myself. I
> said, among other things, that I was very hands-on oriented and that I
> was proficient at using machine equipment. Later, after I had asked what
> the physics department's plans for the next several years were, among
> other things like recalling the department's history, the Chairman said
> they had a strong emphasis on hands-on and teaching the students how to
> do things through real-world research.
> 
> That sounded promising. One thing about which I was disappointed was
> that, since the start date of the position is in January and since the
> faculty will be going to various universities and laboratories for the
> summer to participate in research collaborations with some of their
> students, the department won't resume their selection process until
> September, with on-campus visits in September and October.
> 
> Thanks for asking, Dan.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Interview?

[Craig]

On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 19:30:55 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Craig,
> 
> Not to pry, but how did your interview go?  Any chance you might be
> living in upstate NY soon?

The interview with Houghton College today went well. I did not feel
pressured or at a loss for words for the answers to any of the questions
they asked. I was able to ask several of my own questions.

In the first part of the interview, I was asked to describe myself. I
said, among other things, that I was very hands-on oriented and that I
was proficient at using machine equipment. Later, after I had asked what
the physics department's plans for the next several years were, among
other things like recalling the department's history, the Chairman said
they had a strong emphasis on hands-on and teaching the students how to
do things through real-world research.

That sounded promising. One thing about which I was disappointed was
that, since the start date of the position is in January and since the
faculty will be going to various universities and laboratories for the
summer to participate in research collaborations with some of their
students, the department won't resume their selection process until
September, with on-campus visits in September and October.

Thanks for asking, Dan.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Correlation or causation?

[OK Don]

As attributed  by Mark Twain, but I don't think anyone has found it in
Disraeli's writtings, so the speculation is that Samuel Clemens made up the
attribution to give it more credance (that theory also fitts nicely with
"47% of all statistics are made up on the spot").


On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Frederick Moir wrote:

> Benjamin Disraeli!
>
> Fred Moir
> Lynn MA
> Diesel preferred.
>
>
> >
> > From: OK Don 
> >To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 6:12 PM
> >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Correlation or causation?
> >
> >
> >Yup, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
> >Mark twain
> >
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S

[OK Don]

I made a "tool" to replace the bushings with a nut for electrical conduit
(metal), a bolt, large washer, and nut to pull the grommet into place.
Worked great - the hardest part was finding it again when I bought yet
another car that needed these bushings (all of the MBs I've bought with the
exception of the ML have needed them).


On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 10:05 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> Warm/soften the grommets/bushings in hot water.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Ritchey" 
>
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 10:08 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
>
>
>
>> It's been a long time since I did one of these but there is a flat metal
>> lever (with a hole) at the bottom of the shifter and a similar lever on
>> the
>> transmission.  Each of these holes has a nylon grommet to prevent "buzz"
>> between the levers and the round-ended shaft that connects the two levers.
>> Also, there is a metal clip on each end of those round shaft ends to hold
>> the shaft in the grommets.  If the grommets are worn or missing that
>> allows
>> a lot of free play between the shifter and the transmission and that can
>> effect shifting as well as the neutral safety switch (which is located on
>> the transmission on the same shaft as the above-mentioned lever.
>>
>> I would order a pair and a spare of both the nylon grommets and the metal
>> clips before starting the job of replacing the nylon grommets.  I have
>> done
>> it with the car (82 300SD and 79 TD) on jack stands but it wasn't fun.  I
>> did not have a special tool.  I seem to recall warming the grommets to
>> make
>> them more pliable.  I also recall losing a spring clip (or two) when it
>> shot
>> off into "who knows where."
>>
>> Also, the shifter moves forward and aft on a shaft supported bu nylon
>> bushings on each end and sometimes these wear out.  These can be replaced
>> from above but you have to remove the center console first.  If you
>> disassemble the shifter from above, you can pull put the shifter and
>> replace
>> that grommet from above too.
>>
>> --**--
>>
>>
>>>  Thank You!! For all the ideas and replies!! No I did not see any of the
>> replies until I had done a re post of the original message. Just thought
>> I had sent the first off into cyber space for whomever and wherever it
>> might land. After waiting several days and watching the posts several
>> times each day I just thought it hadn't made the right bus. You've all
>> given a lot of good advise, and as soon as it cools down a bit here,
>> we'll go to work on it. I'll report on what we find later on
>> Something I read sometime ago led us to believe we should order a
>> bushing because of the starting trouble. Then all the mess with "Trent"
>> evolved and I didn't go ahead with order. Probably will get one on hand
>> though. Looks to be a cheap investment and is probably worn anyway if
>> not the major culprit! Thanks again, nobody knows a benz as well as benz
>> lovers! Chris
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[MBZ] W116 water leaks

[Allan Streib]

I've asked about this on the list before but absolutely cannot find the
thread.

My W116 ('79 300SD) accumulates water on drivers side floor.  I have
traced the water infiltration from up under the dash, so I think it's
either front window seal or rusted fresh air intake cowl.  I suspect the
latter.  If I remove the wiper arms and the anodized aluminum trim
cover, will I have enough access to try to apply sealant or some other
repair?

-- 
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1983 300D
1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S

[WILTON]

Warm/soften the grommets/bushings in hot water.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Ritchey" 

To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S




It's been a long time since I did one of these but there is a flat metal
lever (with a hole) at the bottom of the shifter and a similar lever on 
the

transmission.  Each of these holes has a nylon grommet to prevent "buzz"
between the levers and the round-ended shaft that connects the two levers.
Also, there is a metal clip on each end of those round shaft ends to hold
the shaft in the grommets.  If the grommets are worn or missing that 
allows

a lot of free play between the shifter and the transmission and that can
effect shifting as well as the neutral safety switch (which is located on
the transmission on the same shaft as the above-mentioned lever.

I would order a pair and a spare of both the nylon grommets and the metal
clips before starting the job of replacing the nylon grommets.  I have 
done

it with the car (82 300SD and 79 TD) on jack stands but it wasn't fun.  I
did not have a special tool.  I seem to recall warming the grommets to 
make
them more pliable.  I also recall losing a spring clip (or two) when it 
shot

off into "who knows where."

Also, the shifter moves forward and aft on a shaft supported bu nylon
bushings on each end and sometimes these wear out.  These can be replaced
from above but you have to remove the center console first.  If you
disassemble the shifter from above, you can pull put the shifter and 
replace

that grommet from above too.






Thank You!! For all the ideas and replies!! No I did not see any of the
replies until I had done a re post of the original message. Just thought
I had sent the first off into cyber space for whomever and wherever it
might land. After waiting several days and watching the posts several
times each day I just thought it hadn't made the right bus. You've all
given a lot of good advise, and as soon as it cools down a bit here,
we'll go to work on it. I'll report on what we find later on 
Something I read sometime ago led us to believe we should order a

bushing because of the starting trouble. Then all the mess with "Trent"
evolved and I didn't go ahead with order. Probably will get one on hand
though. Looks to be a cheap investment and is probably worn anyway if
not the major culprit! Thanks again, nobody knows a benz as well as benz
lovers! Chris
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Re: [MBZ] Correlation or causation?

[Frederick Moir]

Benjamin Disraeli!
 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.


>
> From: OK Don 
>To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 6:12 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Correlation or causation?
> 
>
>Yup, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
>Mark twain
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Here's one of you diesel guys

[Greg Fiorentino]

If it's a Canadian model I think there would be no problem to bring it in.
In '98 I brought in a Canadian '80 Volvo 240.  US Customs gave me a piece of
paper with appropriate rubber stamps and waved me through. It took about 10
minutes.

I was able to register it in WA with no problem. The US made Suburban that I
had brought into Canada with me 5 years earlier was a different story.  WA
DOL wanted Customs clearance on it (who knew?). I guess they thought it
might have become naturalized during all that time in Canada.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch
Haley
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 7:03 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Here's one of you diesel guys

Dan Penoff wrote:
> $13,000?
> 
> Seems like it might be a little anemic since it's got all that final drive
stuff and the 617 is normally aspirated.
> 
> My first MB was a 79 300TD, and it had a hard time getting out of its own
way under certain circumstances.
> 
> It is very nice, however.  Not sure how you would import it, though.

Is it a euro model or a canuk model?
+25 years relaxes a lot of import standards.
If it's a Canadian model, I wonder if anybody would bother to check what
standards it meets.

Mitch.



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Re: [MBZ] Here's one of you diesel guys

[Dan Penoff]

If you read the ad copy, it was imported form Germany to BC a few years back, 
or so it seems.

Dan


On Jun 29, 2013, at 10:02 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

> Dan Penoff wrote:
>> $13,000?
>> Seems like it might be a little anemic since it's got all that final drive 
>> stuff and the 617 is normally aspirated.
>> My first MB was a 79 300TD, and it had a hard time getting out of its own 
>> way under certain circumstances.
>> It is very nice, however.  Not sure how you would import it, though.
> 
> Is it a euro model or a canuk model?
> +25 years relaxes a lot of import standards.
> If it's a Canadian model, I wonder if anybody would bother to check what 
> standards it meets.
> 
> Mitch.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S

[Scott Ritchey]

It's been a long time since I did one of these but there is a flat metal
lever (with a hole) at the bottom of the shifter and a similar lever on the
transmission.  Each of these holes has a nylon grommet to prevent "buzz"
between the levers and the round-ended shaft that connects the two levers.
Also, there is a metal clip on each end of those round shaft ends to hold
the shaft in the grommets.  If the grommets are worn or missing that allows
a lot of free play between the shifter and the transmission and that can
effect shifting as well as the neutral safety switch (which is located on
the transmission on the same shaft as the above-mentioned lever.

I would order a pair and a spare of both the nylon grommets and the metal
clips before starting the job of replacing the nylon grommets.  I have done
it with the car (82 300SD and 79 TD) on jack stands but it wasn't fun.  I
did not have a special tool.  I seem to recall warming the grommets to make
them more pliable.  I also recall losing a spring clip (or two) when it shot
off into "who knows where."

Also, the shifter moves forward and aft on a shaft supported bu nylon
bushings on each end and sometimes these wear out.  These can be replaced
from above but you have to remove the center console first.  If you
disassemble the shifter from above, you can pull put the shifter and replace
that grommet from above too.



>
Thank You!! For all the ideas and replies!! No I did not see any of the 
replies until I had done a re post of the original message. Just thought 
I had sent the first off into cyber space for whomever and wherever it 
might land. After waiting several days and watching the posts several 
times each day I just thought it hadn't made the right bus. You've all 
given a lot of good advise, and as soon as it cools down a bit here, 
we'll go to work on it. I'll report on what we find later on 
Something I read sometime ago led us to believe we should order a 
bushing because of the starting trouble. Then all the mess with "Trent" 
evolved and I didn't go ahead with order. Probably will get one on hand 
though. Looks to be a cheap investment and is probably worn anyway if 
not the major culprit! Thanks again, nobody knows a benz as well as benz 
lovers! Chris
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Re: [MBZ] Here's one of you diesel guys

[Mitch Haley]

Dan Penoff wrote:

$13,000?

Seems like it might be a little anemic since it's got all that final drive 
stuff and the 617 is normally aspirated.

My first MB was a 79 300TD, and it had a hard time getting out of its own way 
under certain circumstances.

It is very nice, however.  Not sure how you would import it, though.


Is it a euro model or a canuk model?
+25 years relaxes a lot of import standards.
If it's a Canadian model, I wonder if anybody would bother to check what 
standards it meets.


Mitch.



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Re: [MBZ] Here's one of you diesel guys

[Michael Canfield]

Yep.  Bet it's like driving my 220d was.  Slow but peppy with the manual
transmission.

Just a dream..I can't afford the fuel to drive it home right
now..lol

Mike
On Jun 29, 2013 9:58 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:

> $13,000?
>
> Seems like it might be a little anemic since it's got all that final drive
> stuff and the 617 is normally aspirated.
>
> My first MB was a 79 300TD, and it had a hard time getting out of its own
> way under certain circumstances.
>
> It is very nice, however.  Not sure how you would import it, though.
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Jun 29, 2013, at 9:56 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:
>
> > Oh my!  How much are kidneys going for these days?
> >
> > That is sweet to say the least.
> >
> > Mike
> > On Jun 29, 2013 8:00 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1718969-1985-300gd-sale-4-door.html#post5843149
> >>
> >> Diesel G wagen.
> >>
> >> DAn
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Re: [MBZ] Here's one of you diesel guys

[Dan Penoff]

$13,000?

Seems like it might be a little anemic since it's got all that final drive 
stuff and the 617 is normally aspirated.

My first MB was a 79 300TD, and it had a hard time getting out of its own way 
under certain circumstances.

It is very nice, however.  Not sure how you would import it, though.

Dan


On Jun 29, 2013, at 9:56 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

> Oh my!  How much are kidneys going for these days?
> 
> That is sweet to say the least.
> 
> Mike
> On Jun 29, 2013 8:00 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1718969-1985-300gd-sale-4-door.html#post5843149
>> 
>> Diesel G wagen.
>> 
>> DAn
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Re: [MBZ] Here's one of you diesel guys

[Michael Canfield]

Oh my!  How much are kidneys going for these days?

That is sweet to say the least.

Mike
On Jun 29, 2013 8:00 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:

>
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1718969-1985-300gd-sale-4-door.html#post5843149
>
> Diesel G wagen.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S special tool

[Hendrik and Fay]

Done a few of them without special tool, sure not easy but should be 
better on a 126 than 124 or 201.


Hendrik
who does not have small hands

On 30/06/13 08:59, Dan Penoff wrote:

And have a pair of channel lock pliers handy, or splurge and buy the tool to do 
them.  Getting them in is a real PITA for such a simple little part.

Dan


On Jun 29, 2013, at 7:09 PM, Craig wrote:


On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 17:37:32 -0500 OK Don  wrote:


Order at least two of them, they are not expensive, and if one is worn
(or missing - not unusual), the other is not far behind.

Yes, there are two bushings, one at the front end of the linkage at the
transmission and one at the rear end of the linkage at the shifter.


Craig





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[MBZ] Here's one of you diesel guys

[Dan Penoff]

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1718969-1985-300gd-sale-4-door.html#post5843149

Diesel G wagen.

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Re: [MBZ] here's one in charleston sc

[Dan Penoff]

Having painted a 123 wagon using a third generation German whose 
great-grandfather started out painting carriages, I can tell you that it is 
easy to do a lousy job on this body style.

One of the worst parts is removing the luggage rack, as MB didn't intend for it 
to be removed, at least not from what I experienced.  I took everything off 
that car before it went to him, even the drip rail and window trim moldings.

If you look on my MB page http://penoff.com/Penoff.com/Mercedes.html  you can 
see what my 123 wagon looked like when it was done.  Lousy picture, but it 
gives you an idea.

Same guy did the 71 VW convertible in the lower left corner.  He only had 300 
hours in it when it was done (complete pan off restoration of the body.  Very, 
very difficult with a convertible body due to the lack of a roof.)  You could 
fall into the finish on that car.  Six coats of hand rubbed clear over the 
orange base coat.

Dan





 
On Jun 29, 2013, at 5:43 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

> I think that car was serviced at the place Max goes to sometimes, I was up 
> there one day to get a ball joint pressed in, I believe it was in the shop, 
> and the mech said something about the guy wanting to sell it.  The respray, 
> if that is the car I am thinking of, did not look all that good.
> 
> --R
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[MBZ] Interview?

[Dan Penoff]

Craig,

Not to pry, but how did your interview go?  Any chance you might be living in 
upstate NY soon?

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Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S

[Dan Penoff]

And have a pair of channel lock pliers handy, or splurge and buy the tool to do 
them.  Getting them in is a real PITA for such a simple little part.

Dan


On Jun 29, 2013, at 7:09 PM, Craig wrote:

> On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 17:37:32 -0500 OK Don  wrote:
> 
>> Order at least two of them, they are not expensive, and if one is worn
>> (or missing - not unusual), the other is not far behind.
> 
> Yes, there are two bushings, one at the front end of the linkage at the
> transmission and one at the rear end of the linkage at the shifter.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S

[Craig]

On Sat, 29 Jun 2013 17:37:32 -0500 OK Don  wrote:

> Order at least two of them, they are not expensive, and if one is worn
> (or missing - not unusual), the other is not far behind.

Yes, there are two bushings, one at the front end of the linkage at the
transmission and one at the rear end of the linkage at the shifter.


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Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S

[OK Don]

Order at least two of them, they are not expensive, and if one is worn (or
missing - not unusual), the other is not far behind.


On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 5:32 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> Order linkage bushings, etc., from Gary at buyeuroparts.com or 954 889
> 5530.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Chris N John" 
>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 4:28 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S
>
>
>  On 6/28/2013 11:15 AM, Tim Crone wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Scott Ritchey 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Try in neutral also.  I had a neutral lockout switch go bad. It's in the
 side of the transmission and lives in a pretty dirty environment.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mercedes 
 [mailto:mercedes-bounces@**okiebenz.com]
 On Behalf Of Craig
 Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 10:14 AM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S

 On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 07:45:48 -0600 Chris N John 
 wrote:

  Been having some issues starting it throughout the winter. Usually a
> jiggle of ignition or the auto gear shifter would do the trick.
>
> NO GO in reverse!! Just revved up a bit and didn't move. OK,
> then forward? Yep, goes perfect!
>
 The two symptoms suggest the shifter bushings or adjustment, the former
 because the neutral-lockout switch wasn't being put in the right
 position, the latter because the transmission's lever wasn't placed
 where
 it should have been.

 When you have the problem, have someone crawl under the car and wiggle
 the transmission's lever to see if it will move to the correct position.


 Craig

 Copying Craig's and Scott's suggestions in the hope that Chris and/or
 John

>>> will see it :)
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>  Thank You!! For all the ideas and replies!! No I did not see any of the
>> replies until I had done a re post of the original message. Just thought I
>> had sent the first off into cyber space for whomever and wherever it might
>> land. After waiting several days and watching the posts several times each
>> day I just thought it hadn't made the right bus. You've all given a lot of
>> good advise, and as soon as it cools down a bit here, we'll go to work on
>> it. I'll report on what we find later on Something I read sometime ago
>> led us to believe we should order a bushing because of the starting
>> trouble. Then all the mess with "Trent" evolved and I didn't go ahead with
>> order. Probably will get one on hand though. Looks to be a cheap investment
>> and is probably worn anyway if not the major culprit! Thanks again, nobody
>> knows a benz as well as benz lovers! Chris
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Re: [MBZ] OT Fundraising......Monsanto Sucks!

[OK Don]

Ahhh. Ambrose Bierce - "the Devil's Dictionary"? - love that little book!


On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:

> “An election is nothing more than an advance auction of stolen goods.”
>
> mao
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S

[WILTON]

Order linkage bushings, etc., from Gary at buyeuroparts.com or 954 889 5530.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Chris N John" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S



On 6/28/2013 11:15 AM, Tim Crone wrote:
On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Scott Ritchey  
wrote:



Try in neutral also.  I had a neutral lockout switch go bad. It's in the
side of the transmission and lives in a pretty dirty environment.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 10:14 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S

On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 07:45:48 -0600 Chris N John 
wrote:


Been having some issues starting it throughout the winter. Usually a
jiggle of ignition or the auto gear shifter would do the trick.
   
NO GO in reverse!! Just revved up a bit and didn't move. OK,
then forward? Yep, goes perfect!

The two symptoms suggest the shifter bushings or adjustment, the former
because the neutral-lockout switch wasn't being put in the right
position, the latter because the transmission's lever wasn't placed 
where

it should have been.

When you have the problem, have someone crawl under the car and wiggle
the transmission's lever to see if it will move to the correct position.


Craig

Copying Craig's and Scott's suggestions in the hope that Chris and/or 
John

will see it :)

Best,
Tim

Thank You!! For all the ideas and replies!! No I did not see any of the 
replies until I had done a re post of the original message. Just thought I 
had sent the first off into cyber space for whomever and wherever it might 
land. After waiting several days and watching the posts several times each 
day I just thought it hadn't made the right bus. You've all given a lot of 
good advise, and as soon as it cools down a bit here, we'll go to work on 
it. I'll report on what we find later on 
Something I read sometime ago led us to believe we should order a bushing 
because of the starting trouble. Then all the mess with "Trent" evolved 
and I didn't go ahead with order. Probably will get one on hand though. 
Looks to be a cheap investment and is probably worn anyway if not the 
major culprit! Thanks again, nobody knows a benz as well as benz lovers! 
Chris

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Re: [MBZ] Black smoke and loping at idle.

[OK Don]

Since this problem started with the installation of another IP, and
persists with a second IP, I would be very suspicious of the installer -
doing the same thing twice and expecting a different result! Now, it is
possible that you have two defective IPs, I've had that with alternators
from FLAPS, but used Bosch IPs don't usually give that kind of trouble. I
like the suggestion of checking the timing with the drip tube!

THe ALDA, injectors, etc. did not "go bad" just when you changed the IP. It
about has to be IP timing.

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Michael Esh  wrote:

> Peter & Others,
> Thank you all for the information and ideas.
> I changed out the injectors last night and it made no difference at all.
>  I did adjust the alda all the way closed and the car would not idle or
> achieve and rpm 2500 and was not drivable.  When I moved it back out (ccw)
> it would run and it returned to the normal terrible running status we have
> been battling since the new used injection pump was in installed.  I was
> then called to dinner.  I plan on changing out the alda with one that is
> unmolested (thanks Mitch) on Sunday.
> Is there a good write up on how to  check to see where I stand on this
> issue.  I have never adjusted the timing and do not intend to try to change
> it.  I plan on taking it back into the mechanic on Monday and trying a few
> adjustments.
>
> Thanks
> Mike
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
>
>
> > You must use the drip tube method to check this, and be very careful to
> have the injection occur on the compression, not exhaust stroke.
> >
>



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Re: [MBZ] Black smoke and loping at idle.

[Mitch Haley]

Michael Canfield wrote:


I would seriously do a Diesel-Purge treatment before adjusting anything.  I
would think that both pumps could be gummed up after setting for a couple
years.  


Purge was mentioned when he was having trouble with my IP, but I never heard if 
it was used.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Honda overheating and a question about a tool

[OK Don]

No, cheap cars are like that.  We had a similar symptom in the Plymouth van
- the fan solid state relay burnt out, so no fan, thus over heating when
off the highway. I replaced the relay and wired in a 12v LED to monitor fan
operation. Of course, it never failed again, but I could watch the fan turn
on and off :-)


On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 7:18 AM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

>
> Modern cars are funny like that.
>
> Jaime
>
>



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Re: [MBZ] More grey Parts and break flood?

[OK Don]

Oh, how could you, you unfaithful hussy!  ;-)


Hendrik
> who sneaks a peek on other forums now and then




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Re: [MBZ] Correlation or causation?

[OK Don]

Yup, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
Mark twain

On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 10:03 PM, Alex Chamberlain
wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Craig  wrote:
>
> > The attached graph explains it all.
> >
> >
> I love it! Thanks for the laugh!
>
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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Rich Thomas]

Fail

--R

On 6/29/13 5:53 PM, Peter Hertzing wrote:

Oil

Sent from my iPhoneo

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[MBZ] (no subject)

[Peter Hertzing]

Oil

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Re: [MBZ] here's one in charleston sc

[Mitch Haley]

Rich Thomas wrote:
I think that car was serviced at the place Max goes to sometimes, I was 
up there one day to get a ball joint pressed in, I believe it was in the 
shop, and the mech said something about the guy wanting to sell it.  The 
respray, if that is the car I am thinking of, did not look all that good.




Selling a car with a fresh quality paint job is rarely a good idea, as the paint 
 job usually costs more than the value it adds to the car. However, if you have 
it repainted and can't stand to look at it afterward, that might be a reason to 
sell.


Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] here's one in charleston sc

[Rich Thomas]

I think that car was serviced at the place Max goes to sometimes, I was 
up there one day to get a ball joint pressed in, I believe it was in the 
shop, and the mech said something about the guy wanting to sell it.  The 
respray, if that is the car I am thinking of, did not look all that good.


--R


On 6/29/13 3:39 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Rick Hawkins Java wrote:

not mine, etc

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/3894956777.html

looks nice


New paint should look nice.
Would take a very close inspection to know if it was done right.
Turbo engine and US bumpers say the euro lamps were an upgrade not 
original.


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Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S

[Chris N John]

On 6/28/2013 11:15 AM, Tim Crone wrote:

On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Scott Ritchey  wrote:


Try in neutral also.  I had a neutral lockout switch go bad. It's in the
side of the transmission and lives in a pretty dirty environment.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 10:14 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our 1980 300SD??S

On Wed, 26 Jun 2013 07:45:48 -0600 Chris N John 
wrote:


Been having some issues starting it throughout the winter. Usually a
jiggle of ignition or the auto gear shifter would do the trick.
   
NO GO in reverse!! Just revved up a bit and didn't move. OK,
then forward? Yep, goes perfect!

The two symptoms suggest the shifter bushings or adjustment, the former
because the neutral-lockout switch wasn't being put in the right
position, the latter because the transmission's lever wasn't placed where
it should have been.

When you have the problem, have someone crawl under the car and wiggle
the transmission's lever to see if it will move to the correct position.


Craig

Copying Craig's and Scott's suggestions in the hope that Chris and/or John

will see it :)

Best,
Tim

Thank You!! For all the ideas and replies!! No I did not see any of the 
replies until I had done a re post of the original message. Just thought 
I had sent the first off into cyber space for whomever and wherever it 
might land. After waiting several days and watching the posts several 
times each day I just thought it hadn't made the right bus. You've all 
given a lot of good advise, and as soon as it cools down a bit here, 
we'll go to work on it. I'll report on what we find later on 
Something I read sometime ago led us to believe we should order a 
bushing because of the starting trouble. Then all the mess with "Trent" 
evolved and I didn't go ahead with order. Probably will get one on hand 
though. Looks to be a cheap investment and is probably worn anyway if 
not the major culprit! Thanks again, nobody knows a benz as well as benz 
lovers! Chris

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Re: [MBZ] here's one in charleston sc

[Mitch Haley]

Rick Hawkins Java wrote:

not mine, etc

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/3894956777.html

looks nice


New paint should look nice.
Would take a very close inspection to know if it was done right.
Turbo engine and US bumpers say the euro lamps were an upgrade not original.

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Re: [MBZ] Subaru Diesel

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 11:47 AM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:

> I bet the moment they get something diesel that can compete with Volkswagen
> mpg for the TDI, they will start importing it. I'd certainly give it a
> look.
>
>
May never happen.  Subarus always seem to get a little worse mileage than
same-size cars from other makes, I assume because of the four-wheel-drive
hardware and accompanying lower final drive ratios they use.

I think the reason given for why they backed out from selling cars with the
new diesel engine in the USA was the usual--our screwy emissions laws,
especially in California.

Alex
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[MBZ] here's one in charleston sc

[Rick Hawkins Java]

not mine, etc

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/3894956777.html

looks nice


thanks,

xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] Subaru Diesel

[Bob Rentfro]

I bet the moment they get something diesel that can compete with Volkswagen
mpg for the TDI, they will start importing it. I'd certainly give it a look.

Bob R
On Jun 29, 2013 10:30 AM, "Alex Chamberlain" 
wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Scott Ritchey 
> wrote:
>
> > Speaking of Diesels, Subaru started making a 4-cylinder boxer Diesel a
> few
> > years ago but it was not imported into the US.  I was wondering if anyone
> > on
> > the list had any information or experience with this Subaru Diesel.
>  Maybe
> > list members who live and/or travel in foreign lands know something about
> > this powertrain.
> >
> >
> Interestingly, Subaru won't sell their diesel cars here but there is
> nothing stopping you from importing a crate engine from Japan and
> installing it in another chassis.  I bet if you have $60K or so lying
> around, Small Car Performance in Tacoma will build you a diesel-powered
> Porsche 356 clone:
>
> http://www.smallcar.com/index.php?dispatch=pages.view&page_id=64
>
> Alex
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Sondy Tale

[WILTON]

'Zackly.  'Course, as I've said before, my job kept me extremely busy (no 
doubt that I was the busiest person on base), and I was also constantly 
looking for other stuff to do, too.  I should say, too, that my job had me 
in a position where I could easily find "other" things to do, places to go, 
etc.  Moss didn't have a chance with me in Greenland.  There were many rare 
and interesting things to see and do all around us.  Another thing that 
worked well for me was changing base/group commanders about half way into my 
year; second one had no knowledge of what I had already done or where I'd 
been before he got there - made it easier to go somewhere else.  Once when 
second one began to question why I was going somewhere else so soon after I 
had gotten back from previous trip, I responded, "Just doing my duty, and 
you KNOW I'm gonna DO my duty - please, just sign, I need to be on the way." 
;<)
I'm sure I would have felt differently about it if I'd been "stuck" right 
there on base.  In effort not to make others jealous or feel bad, I never 
bragged - never mentioned it - to others about where I'd been or what I'd 
seen.  Many never knew I'd been anywhere else.
Other than having to be away from my family, it was most enjoyable 
assignment I had in 22 years on active duty.  The integrity, dedication and 
agreeable nature of the people working for/with me had a lot to to with 
that, too.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Ritchey" 

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Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2013 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Sondy Tale




WILTON wrote:

Just another little thing that makes living in
Greenland enjoyable instead of the boring misery that it could be
otherwise."

-

I was stationed in a number places during my 25 years in the USAF. One of
the things I noticed was that a person's attitude had a lot more to do 
with
their happiness than their actual surroundings.  A lot of folks 
(especially

junior enlisted) spent a lot of time complaining that their current
assignment lacked specific things they enjoyed "at home".  Others took
advantage of whatever was available and they had a good time.  Wilton's
comments on a place many would consider "beyond the end of the world" just
reinforce this thought.

Scott




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Re: [MBZ] Subaru Diesel

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Scott Ritchey  wrote:

> Speaking of Diesels, Subaru started making a 4-cylinder boxer Diesel a few
> years ago but it was not imported into the US.  I was wondering if anyone
> on
> the list had any information or experience with this Subaru Diesel.  Maybe
> list members who live and/or travel in foreign lands know something about
> this powertrain.
>
>
Interestingly, Subaru won't sell their diesel cars here but there is
nothing stopping you from importing a crate engine from Japan and
installing it in another chassis.  I bet if you have $60K or so lying
around, Small Car Performance in Tacoma will build you a diesel-powered
Porsche 356 clone:

http://www.smallcar.com/index.php?dispatch=pages.view&page_id=64

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Sondy Tale

[Scott Ritchey]

WILTON wrote:

Just another little thing that makes living in 
Greenland enjoyable instead of the boring misery that it could be
otherwise."

-

I was stationed in a number places during my 25 years in the USAF. One of
the things I noticed was that a person's attitude had a lot more to do with
their happiness than their actual surroundings.  A lot of folks (especially
junior enlisted) spent a lot of time complaining that their current
assignment lacked specific things they enjoyed "at home".  Others took
advantage of whatever was available and they had a good time.  Wilton's
comments on a place many would consider "beyond the end of the world" just
reinforce this thought.

Scott




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Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

[Brian Toscano]

2000 Jetta TDI did 50-55 MPG

On Saturday, June 29, 2013, Gerry Archer wrote:

>
>
>
>  On 27/06/2013 1:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>>
>>> The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM
>>> parts, which are all so small/insignificcant that they cost nearly
>>> nothing.
>>>
>>>  Sort of like having an old Chevy?
>> Randy
>>
>>  When the Smart came out with its poor numbers, and a Mercedes built car
> began rolling over on sharp turns, was when it became obvious that Mercedes
> had lost it's way.
> Gerry
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[MBZ] Subaru Diesel

[Scott Ritchey]

Speaking of Diesels, Subaru started making a 4-cylinder boxer Diesel a few
years ago but it was not imported into the US.  I was wondering if anyone on
the list had any information or experience with this Subaru Diesel.  Maybe
list members who live and/or travel in foreign lands know something about
this powertrain.

 

Scott

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Re: [MBZ] OT Fundraising......Monsanto Sucks!

[Michael Canfield]

They claim pyrethrins are safe.  They make a lot of claims.  I have tried
systemic pyrethrin based pesticides and they leave a flowery taste behind.
No thank you.  Adding flower genes to other plants just doesn't sound like
a good idea to begin with to me.

A healthy plant is a pest resistant plant.  Feed them what they need and
they will usually fend for themselves quite well.

Mike
On Jun 29, 2013 7:27 AM, "Gerry Archer"  wrote:

> No one knows what the outcome will be, but I question the addition of the
> pyrethrin (natural insecticide) genes to various foods.  Are pyrethrins
> taken orally less harmful than insecticides applied externally to the
> growing plants?  The advanced techniques for creating such strange new
> foods will probably result in one or more human disasters eventually.
> Gerry
>
> From: "Mountain Man" 
>
>> Mike wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for saving
>>> the world and ending hunger Monsanto!
>>>
>> Preach it!!
>> Standard banned epithet 
>> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Black smoke and loping at idle.

[Michael Canfield]

Mike,
  Sounds like the ALDA is doing it's job.

What timing method is the mechanic using?

I would seriously do a Diesel-Purge treatment before adjusting anything.  I
would think that both pumps could be gummed up after setting for a couple
years.  Are you 100% sure you don't have a bad rubber fuel line sucking in
air somewhere?  Air can make all sorts of wierd stuff happen.

I thought I had a bad injector pump once...poured water over it and it
ran better.  Noticed I did not see fuel movement in the filter nor any
pulses in the cigar tube.  Changed out the lift pump and it was way
better.  Was back to acting up in a few days but water did not seem to have
any effect any more.  Noticed a couple air bubbles in the filter so got to
checking lines.  The rubber was cracked inside, lengthwise, so it was
letting in a bit of air.  Fixed that with new line and all better.   Een
good so far.

Mike
On Jun 29, 2013 9:02 AM, "Michael Esh"  wrote:

> Peter & Others,
> Thank you all for the information and ideas.
> I changed out the injectors last night and it made no difference at all.
>  I did adjust the alda all the way closed and the car would not idle or
> achieve and rpm 2500 and was not drivable.  When I moved it back out (ccw)
> it would run and it returned to the normal terrible running status we have
> been battling since the new used injection pump was in installed.  I was
> then called to dinner.  I plan on changing out the alda with one that is
> unmolested (thanks Mitch) on Sunday.
> Is there a good write up on how to  check to see where I stand on this
> issue.  I have never adjusted the timing and do not intend to try to change
> it.  I plan on taking it back into the mechanic on Monday and trying a few
> adjustments.
>
> Thanks
> Mike
>  p.s. I fried the alternator in my 78 MGB yesterday when I jumped it after
> leaving the lights on.  I inadvertently hooked  up cables up backwards and
> shorted it out.  (Yes, I know better)  I am not having much luck with my
> cars lately.
>
>
> On Jun 28, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
>
> > This was discussed recently.
> >
> > There are some injection pumps out there that are marked for timing
> INCORRECTLY with the result that if you use the normal procedure, the pump
> will be 180 degrees out of time, firing the injectors on the top of the
> exhaust stroke instead of the injection stroke.  The engine will not start
> at low temps, will run rough, and smoke like hell with low power.
> >
> > You must use the drip tube method to check this, and be very careful to
> have the injection occur on the compression, not exhaust stroke.
> >
> > If the pump timing is indeed correct by the drip tube method (which
> detects the point at which the pump plunger covers the fill slot in the
> sleeve, start of delivery), you should check the CAMSHAFT timing to make
> sure it's not a tooth (or two) late.
> >
> > You should also verify that you have proper valve clearance, as tight
> valves will give you low compression and hence huge smoke and no power.
> >
> > If the car has EGR. disconnect the vacuum line to the EGR valve and make
> sure it closes.  A stuck EGR will give terrible smoke (as in you cannot see
> the car behind you on acceleration), very low power, and funny muffled
> knocking, but no other effects.  Typically once you have some speed on the
> engine power will come back up under light load.
> >
> > On a newly installed IP, my guess would be something wrong with the
> timing unless the car was also running poorly before you replaced the IP.
> >
> > If it's been run any significant time on pure veggie oil, you need to
> check the compression and the condition of the pre-chambers too -- veg oil
> is notorious for coking up the entire fuel system along with very serious
> varnish formation in the IP.  Plugged prechambers will prevent normal
> operation.  That coke may burn out if you get it to run decently on diesel
> fuel, but likely if present will require removal and cleaning of the
> pre-chambers.
> >
> > Peter
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Re: [MBZ] Black smoke and loping at idle.

[Michael Esh]

Peter & Others,
Thank you all for the information and ideas.  
I changed out the injectors last night and it made no difference at all.  I did 
adjust the alda all the way closed and the car would not idle or achieve and 
rpm 2500 and was not drivable.  When I moved it back out (ccw) it would run and 
it returned to the normal terrible running status we have been battling since 
the new used injection pump was in installed.  I was then called to dinner.  I 
plan on changing out the alda with one that is unmolested (thanks Mitch) on 
Sunday.  
Is there a good write up on how to  check to see where I stand on this issue.  
I have never adjusted the timing and do not intend to try to change it.  I plan 
on taking it back into the mechanic on Monday and trying a few adjustments.  

Thanks 
Mike
 p.s. I fried the alternator in my 78 MGB yesterday when I jumped it after 
leaving the lights on.  I inadvertently hooked  up cables up backwards and 
shorted it out.  (Yes, I know better)  I am not having much luck with my cars 
lately.


On Jun 28, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

> This was discussed recently.
> 
> There are some injection pumps out there that are marked for timing 
> INCORRECTLY with the result that if you use the normal procedure, the pump 
> will be 180 degrees out of time, firing the injectors on the top of the 
> exhaust stroke instead of the injection stroke.  The engine will not start at 
> low temps, will run rough, and smoke like hell with low power.
> 
> You must use the drip tube method to check this, and be very careful to have 
> the injection occur on the compression, not exhaust stroke.
> 
> If the pump timing is indeed correct by the drip tube method (which detects 
> the point at which the pump plunger covers the fill slot in the sleeve, start 
> of delivery), you should check the CAMSHAFT timing to make sure it's not a 
> tooth (or two) late.
> 
> You should also verify that you have proper valve clearance, as tight valves 
> will give you low compression and hence huge smoke and no power.
> 
> If the car has EGR. disconnect the vacuum line to the EGR valve and make sure 
> it closes.  A stuck EGR will give terrible smoke (as in you cannot see the 
> car behind you on acceleration), very low power, and funny muffled knocking, 
> but no other effects.  Typically once you have some speed on the engine power 
> will come back up under light load.
> 
> On a newly installed IP, my guess would be something wrong with the timing 
> unless the car was also running poorly before you replaced the IP.
> 
> If it's been run any significant time on pure veggie oil, you need to check 
> the compression and the condition of the pre-chambers too -- veg oil is 
> notorious for coking up the entire fuel system along with very serious 
> varnish formation in the IP.  Plugged prechambers will prevent normal 
> operation.  That coke may burn out if you get it to run decently on diesel 
> fuel, but likely if present will require removal and cleaning of the 
> pre-chambers.
> 
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] OT Honda overheating and a question about a tool

[Jaime Kopchinski]

It's possible the gauge is actually a fancy idiot light.  That is, it stays in
the middle after normal operating temperature is reached and doesn't
increase anymore until some defined "too hot" point is reached.

For example, it may read like a gauge between cold and 80C. Then it sits in
the middle of the range without moving for normal operating temps, like
80-110C. And above 110, it shoots up to alert the driver.

In other words, it might not only be a problem after getting off the
highway, but this is the worse case for a cooling system, so the temp rises
about the threshold and the gauge jumps.

Modern cars are funny like that.

Jaime


On Thursday, June 27, 2013, Randy Bennell wrote:

> My younger son's girlfriend has a 2000 Honda Civic that is doing things
> that suggest overheating but I am not convinced.
>
> It seems to only happen when she has made a highway run and then slows as
> she comes into an urban area. The temperature gauge will shoot up.
> Neither he nor I has been there when it happened, so we don't know the
> whole story.
> I am suspecting that it is just the temperature gauge acting a bit strange
> and that the engine is not actually getting hot.
> She says the car does not act odd. It just displays high on the gauge.
>
> Tom is a mechanic and he finds this frustrating because she is unable to
> help with the diagnosis. We don't think it is pushing the coolant out.
> There is a catch tank of course, so once it cools it might pull it back in
> if it is.
> He changed the thermostat last weekend thinking that it might be hanging
> up. Last night, she experienced the same thing so that does not appear to
> have helped.
>
> The car is an automatic with air conditioning and it is warm here now so
> she is running the ac. One would think however, that it would be fine on
> the highway and exhibit issues in town if it was overheating.
> She drove it home through city traffic yesterday when it was 32 Degrees C
>  (about 90 Degrees F) with the ac on and it apparently was fine. Later that
> evening she drove 30 miles out of the city to visit a friend and the needle
> jumped up when she got to the small town where the friend lives. I assume
> she would have driven it at 100 to 115 kph on the way which would be 60 to
> 70 mph.
>
> The rad does not look plugged up - not full of bugs and leaves on the
> exterior. One can see the coolant flow with the cap off. The electric fan
> seems to be coming on when it should etc.
> Coolant is a good mix and not just water etc.
>
> Any thoughts on something we might be missing?
>
> 2nd part of the question - a temperature gun. Anyone have experience with
> them? Is it worth buying a "good one" rather than just whatever? I
> suggested we get one and my son who has good taste in tools wants to get a
> Snap On for a couple of hundred $ rather than a Chinese whatever from the
> local version of HF.
>
> We think that may be the best way to check to see if it is getting hotter
> than it should.
>
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] OT Fundraising......Monsanto Sucks!

[Gerry Archer]

- Original Message - 
From: "Rick Knoble" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Fundraising..Monsanto Sucks!



On Jun 28, 2013, at 12:46 PM, "G Mann"  wrote:


Is it possible, congress is "owned"?  Inquiring minds want to know.


You mean some team of corporate legal experts with ulterior motives writes 
the legislation that gets passed, and not congress-critters concerned for 
the health, welfare, and safety of their constituents? Say it isn't so...

Rick


In the past Big Drug has had at least one lobbyist for each senator and 
representative.

Not sure how many since Obamacare.
Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] OT Fundraising......Monsanto Sucks!

[Gerry Archer]

No one knows what the outcome will be, but I question the addition of the 
pyrethrin (natural insecticide) genes to various foods.  Are pyrethrins 
taken orally less harmful than insecticides applied externally to the 
growing plants?  The advanced techniques for creating such strange new foods 
will probably result in one or more human disasters eventually.

Gerry

From: "Mountain Man" 

Mike wrote:

Thanks for saving
the world and ending hunger Monsanto!

Preach it!!
Standard banned epithet 
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

[Gerry Archer]

On 27/06/2013 1:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM
parts, which are all so small/insignificcant that they cost nearly 
nothing.



Sort of like having an old Chevy?
Randy

When the Smart came out with its poor numbers, and a Mercedes built car 
began rolling over on sharp turns, was when it became obvious that Mercedes 
had lost it's way.
Gerry 



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Re: [MBZ] American Foreign Policy

[Gerry Archer]

Yep, didn't wipe this lists address when sending to other people.  Do that 
occasionally and it sometimes causes major eruptions although most charge it 
up to the mental infirmities of old age.  [:o)


Gerry.a fellow cynic.

.

From: "Benz Hogs" 

I think that cynic is on this list?

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (166,xxx mi)

On 6/28/2013 1:58 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:

Plan to rule the world:



1. Own and control the money and banking in each country.  Done.
2. Own and control the food supply in each country. Almost done.
3. Destroy the moral character of individuals to such a degree they
are not
capable of understanding right from wrong.  Done.
4. Own and control the education system to such a degree that no child 
is

not indoctrinated before graduation. Done

Well.. you get the idea. The 4 large agriculture companies now produce
and
control, by last report, 80% of the food production in USA. If you eat,
they grew it on a production farm. Profit is the only moral guidance.


(From a cynic on another list.)


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Re: [MBZ] OT Honda overheating and a question about a tool

[Gerry Archer]

From: "Randy Bennell" 
My younger son's girlfriend has a 2000 Honda Civic that is doing things 
that suggest overheating but I am not convinced.
It seems to only happen when she has made a highway run and then slows as 
she comes into an urban area. The temperature gauge will shoot up.
Neither he nor I has been there when it happened, so we don't know the 
whole story.
I am suspecting that it is just the temperature gauge acting a bit strange 
and that the engine is not actually getting hot.

She says the car does not act odd. It just displays high on the gauge.

Tom is a mechanic and he finds this frustrating because she is unable to 
help with the diagnosis. We don't think it is pushing the coolant out. 
There is a catch tank of course, so once it cools it might pull it back in 
if it is.
He changed the thermostat last weekend thinking that it might be hanging 
up. Last night, she experienced the same thing so that does not appear to 
have helped.


The car is an automatic with air conditioning and it is warm here now so 
she is running the ac. One would think however, that it would be fine on 
the highway and exhibit issues in town if it was overheating.
She drove it home through city traffic yesterday when it was 32 Degrees C 
(about 90 Degrees F) with the ac on and it apparently was fine. Later that 
evening she drove 30 miles out of the city to visit a friend and the 
needle jumped up when she got to the small town where the friend lives. I 
assume she would have driven it at 100 to 115 kph on the way which would 
be 60 to 70 mph.


The rad does not look plugged up - not full of bugs and leaves on the 
exterior. One can see the coolant flow with the cap off. The electric fan 
seems to be coming on when it should etc.

Coolant is a good mix and not just water etc.

Any thoughts on something we might be missing?

2nd part of the question - a temperature gun. Anyone have experience with 
them? Is it worth buying a "good one" rather than just whatever? I 
suggested we get one and my son who has good taste in tools wants to get a 
Snap On for a couple of hundred $ rather than a Chinese whatever from the 
local version of HF.
We think that may be the best way to check to see if it is getting hotter 
than it should.

Randy


Having her stop, leave everything running, open the hood, and see if the 
fan(s) is/are running.  That was a similar problem on both of my Mercedes on 
two occasions.
Gerry 



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