Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting zombie hunter

2013-09-23 Thread Hendrik and Fay
I be thinking young Spencer and his new 'toy' will get rid of those 
nasty zombie types in a jiffy.


Hendrik
who just got the cent a meter working, or as I like to call it, the 
worry meter which is telling me that we're using 1.22kw and it is 20.1 
degrees C with a humidity of 64 at my computer


On 23/09/13 03:56, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Ok so a stupid question for Wilton, but very important I suppose. So 
say we were having a Q somewhere and a zombie outbreak happens. There 
is a B52 or similar near by.  Our only escape is for Wilton to fly us 
out of there.  Can you fire it up and fly us out?  Or are we all 
zombie food?  Maybe Ok Don can be the co pilot.


On 9/22/2013 12:18 PM, OK Don wrote:

Excellent article, as usual. Thanks for sharing it with us.


On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 9:55 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


Here's the straight poop.  A piece I did for briefing a Kiwanis group
several months ago.




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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting wings falling off planes with nasty stuff aboard

2013-09-23 Thread Hendrik and Fay
Yeah but you're gonna have people perhaps wanting to dig that nasty 
stuff up to do bad things.

I am actually wondering why the wing fell off the plane, fatigue?

Hendrik
who might need something a bit bigger than his little machines to go digging

On 23/09/13 13:01, WILTON wrote:
Oh, in reference to Snowden:  I haven't revealed anything that's 
classified.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 11:16 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT but interesting


Journalists and wannabe journalists enjoy bringing the subject up 
every few
years and touting it each time as a new, story spiced with 
sensationalism.
Many of them tend to fill in any gaps in their new knowledge about 
the subject
with imagination or what they may have seen in some fictitious movie, 
such
as Strangelove and others.  The facts of the accident are what they 
are,
and physics is physics.  All (the number easily available for 
counting in
the official Sandia report) of the switches, except those in bomb #2 
that

were precluded by other physical factors, worked mechanically and
electrically as designed and built.
Oh, it was a terrible aircraft and nuclear accident, alright, but the 
bombs worked exactly as they were designed to work.


Wilton





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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

2013-09-23 Thread Rick Knoble
On Sep 22, 2013, at 10:32 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 Oh, in reference to Snowden:  I haven't revealed anything that's classified.


Do you have knowledge of the event that IS classified?

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

2013-09-23 Thread Curt Raymond
Do they know what caused the plane to break up?

-Curt

Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 10:55:32 -0400
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] OT but interesting
Message-ID: 8360FBE8F5784F8CA39F435EB7810FFC@wiltonPC
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
reply-type=response

Here's the straight poop.  A piece I did for briefing a Kiwanis group 
several months ago.

GOLDSBORO BROKEN ARROW
By Wilton Strickland
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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

2013-09-23 Thread Rich Thomas
W -- your story would be great to submit to our local paper -- they had 
a small article playing off the UK report so it would be an interesting 
follow-up and they like to do that stuff.  If you would like, I can 
forward your write-up to a reporter I know, she could figure out what to 
do with it.  I'm sure they might like to run something as it is sorta of 
local interest.


--R


On 9/22/13 11:16 PM, WILTON wrote:
Journalists and wannabe journalists enjoy bringing the subject up 
every few
years and touting it each time as a new, story spiced with 
sensationalism.
Many of them tend to fill in any gaps in their new knowledge about 
the subject
with imagination or what they may have seen in some fictitious movie, 
such
as Strangelove and others.  The facts of the accident are what they 
are,

and physics is physics.  All (the number easily available for counting in
the official Sandia report) of the switches, except those in bomb #2 that
were precluded by other physical factors, worked mechanically and
electrically as designed and built.
Oh, it was a terrible aircraft and nuclear accident, alright, but the 
bombs worked exactly as they were designed to work.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting



Another comment.
Perhaps you should gain a bit more notoriety and submit this article
to The Guardian so some correct press is gained about this incident.
You could become the Edward Snowden of nuke accidents... if this is
considered a nuke accident?  I suspect you do not consider this as
accident, merely excellent design?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

2013-09-23 Thread WILTON
Yes; certain procedures and limiting factors on employment.  'Course, the 
LATEST I know anything about is at least 32 years old, so probably not worth 
much.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting



On Sep 22, 2013, at 10:32 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

Oh, in reference to Snowden:  I haven't revealed anything that's 
classified.



Do you have knowledge of the event that IS classified?

Rick
Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

2013-09-23 Thread WILTON
Fatigue cracks near right wing root and possible design deficiency as part 
of going from bladder fuel tanks in older models to wet wing fuel tanks in 
the G model - fuel stored directly on inside of the structure.
An effort to make the airplane lighter.  Because of this, we were restricted 
to 270 knots IAS at low altitude for several years until they could get 
modifications done to all of the aircraft.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com

To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting



Do they know what caused the plane to break up?

-Curt

Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 10:55:32 -0400
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] OT but interesting
Message-ID: 8360FBE8F5784F8CA39F435EB7810FFC@wiltonPC
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1;
reply-type=response

Here's the straight poop.  A piece I did for briefing a Kiwanis group
several months ago.

GOLDSBORO BROKEN ARROW
By Wilton Strickland
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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

2013-09-23 Thread WILTON

OK, forward if you like.  Thnks.
Oh, by local, you mean Goldsboro News-Argus or Raleigh News and Observer?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting


W -- your story would be great to submit to our local paper -- they had a 
small article playing off the UK report so it would be an interesting 
follow-up and they like to do that stuff.  If you would like, I can forward 
your write-up to a reporter I know, she could figure out what to do with 
it.  I'm sure they might like to run something as it is sorta of local 
interest.


--R


On 9/22/13 11:16 PM, WILTON wrote:
Journalists and wannabe journalists enjoy bringing the subject up every 
few
years and touting it each time as a new, story spiced with 
sensationalism.
Many of them tend to fill in any gaps in their new knowledge about the 
subject
with imagination or what they may have seen in some fictitious movie, 
such
as Strangelove and others.  The facts of the accident are what they 
are,

and physics is physics.  All (the number easily available for counting in
the official Sandia report) of the switches, except those in bomb #2 that
were precluded by other physical factors, worked mechanically and
electrically as designed and built.
Oh, it was a terrible aircraft and nuclear accident, alright, but the 
bombs worked exactly as they were designed to work.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting



Another comment.
Perhaps you should gain a bit more notoriety and submit this article
to The Guardian so some correct press is gained about this incident.
You could become the Edward Snowden of nuke accidents... if this is
considered a nuke accident?  I suspect you do not consider this as
accident, merely excellent design?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

2013-09-23 Thread Rich Thomas
Charleston, SC Post  Courier.  They set up a new format and have a 
section now called The South so that would fit in well.


--R


On 9/23/13 9:08 AM, WILTON wrote:

OK, forward if you like.  Thnks.
Oh, by local, you mean Goldsboro News-Argus or Raleigh News and Observer?

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting


W -- your story would be great to submit to our local paper -- they 
had a small article playing off the UK report so it would be an 
interesting follow-up and they like to do that stuff.  If you would 
like, I can forward your write-up to a reporter I know, she could 
figure out what to do with it.  I'm sure they might like to run 
something as it is sorta of local interest.


--R


On 9/22/13 11:16 PM, WILTON wrote:
Journalists and wannabe journalists enjoy bringing the subject up 
every few
years and touting it each time as a new, story spiced with 
sensationalism.
Many of them tend to fill in any gaps in their new knowledge about 
the subject
with imagination or what they may have seen in some fictitious 
movie, such
as Strangelove and others.  The facts of the accident are what 
they are,
and physics is physics.  All (the number easily available for 
counting in
the official Sandia report) of the switches, except those in bomb #2 
that

were precluded by other physical factors, worked mechanically and
electrically as designed and built.
Oh, it was a terrible aircraft and nuclear accident, alright, but 
the bombs worked exactly as they were designed to work.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: Mountain Man 
maontin@gmail.com

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting



Another comment.
Perhaps you should gain a bit more notoriety and submit this article
to The Guardian so some correct press is gained about this incident.
You could become the Edward Snowden of nuke accidents... if this is
considered a nuke accident?  I suspect you do not consider this as
accident, merely excellent design?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting zombie hunter

2013-09-23 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I think he will need more than a BB gun to get them

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 23, 2013, at 2:17 AM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote:

 I be thinking young Spencer and his new 'toy' will get rid of those nasty 
 zombie types in a jiffy.
 
 Hendrik
 who just got the cent a meter working, or as I like to call it, the worry 
 meter which is telling me that we're using 1.22kw and it is 20.1 degrees C 
 with a humidity of 64 at my computer
 
 On 23/09/13 03:56, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 Ok so a stupid question for Wilton, but very important I suppose. So say we 
 were having a Q somewhere and a zombie outbreak happens. There is a B52 or 
 similar near by.  Our only escape is for Wilton to fly us out of there.  Can 
 you fire it up and fly us out?  Or are we all zombie food?  Maybe Ok Don can 
 be the co pilot.
 
 On 9/22/2013 12:18 PM, OK Don wrote:
 Excellent article, as usual. Thanks for sharing it with us.
 
 
 On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 9:55 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 
 Here's the straight poop.  A piece I did for briefing a Kiwanis group
 several months ago.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY

2013-09-23 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Can someone please explain the shockingly hihh price disparity with
unleaded gas?
On Sep 23, 2013 1:59 PM, Chris James c_ja...@gmx.com wrote:

 Well it seems diesel market share is finally growing after a lot of
 talk over the past decade. Still mostly premium/luxury segment though,
 putting them out of reach for many.

 The current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014:

 Mercedes-Benz
 http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/**benz/green#module-3http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/benz/green#module-3

 BMW
 http://www.bmwusa.com/**standard/content/allbmws/**
 allbmwsnew.aspx?FuelType=**Diesel,Dieselhttp://www.bmwusa.com/standard/content/allbmws/allbmwsnew.aspx?FuelType=Diesel,Diesel

 VW
 http://web.vw.com/tdi-clean-**diesel/http://web.vw.com/tdi-clean-diesel/

 Audi
 http://www.audiusa.com/**innovation/efficiency/tdihttp://www.audiusa.com/innovation/efficiency/tdi

 Porsche
 http://www.porsche.com/usa/**models/cayenne/cayenne-diesel/http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/cayenne/cayenne-diesel/

 Chevrolet
 http://www.chevrolet.com/**diesel-vehicles.htmlhttp://www.chevrolet.com/diesel-vehicles.html

 Jeep
 http://www.jeep.com/en/2014/**grand_cherokee/capabilities/http://www.jeep.com/en/2014/grand_cherokee/capabilities/


 Mazda (Delayed! I wonder if we'll ever see the diesel 6 here?)
 http://blogs.cars.com/**kickingtires/2013/09/mazda6-**
 diesel-delayed-but-more-**diesels-could-follow.htmlhttp://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2013/09/mazda6-diesel-delayed-but-more-diesels-could-follow.html




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Re: [MBZ] W116 clock

2013-09-23 Thread Hans Neureiter
While on the subject, the clock on my '82 300 SD has stripped gears on the
mechanism to adjust the time. Are there parts available?


On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 Needs some new caps, probably.

 Under $3 to repair with Radio Shavk parts.

 Dan

 Sent from my iPad

  On Sep 22, 2013, at 9:54 PM, Mike Esh michael...@mac.com wrote:
 
  Ditto on the clock in my 84 300D, it is perfect.
 
  Michael E. Esh
  231-286-2344
 
 
  On Sep 20, 2013, at 9:42 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
 wrote:
 
  The clock in my 300SD works but runs fast. Very fast. Gains hours a
  week, or more. Repairable?
 
 
 
  By contrast the clock in my W123 300D is probably the most accurate one
  I own.
 
 
 
  Allan
 
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[MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY

2013-09-23 Thread Chris James

Well it seems diesel market share is finally growing after a lot of
talk over the past decade. Still mostly premium/luxury segment though,
putting them out of reach for many.

The current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014:

Mercedes-Benz
http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/benz/green#module-3

BMW
http://www.bmwusa.com/standard/content/allbmws/allbmwsnew.aspx?FuelType=Diesel,Diesel

VW
http://web.vw.com/tdi-clean-diesel/

Audi
http://www.audiusa.com/innovation/efficiency/tdi

Porsche
http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/cayenne/cayenne-diesel/

Chevrolet
http://www.chevrolet.com/diesel-vehicles.html

Jeep
http://www.jeep.com/en/2014/grand_cherokee/capabilities/


Mazda (Delayed! I wonder if we'll ever see the diesel 6 here?)
http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2013/09/mazda6-diesel-delayed-but-more-diesels-could-follow.html




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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

2013-09-23 Thread Randy Bennell

On 23/09/2013 5:39 AM, Rick Knoble wrote:

On Sep 22, 2013, at 10:32 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


Oh, in reference to Snowden:  I haven't revealed anything that's classified.


Do you have knowledge of the event that IS classified?

Rick



If he told you, you know what he would have to do . . . . .

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] W116 clock

2013-09-23 Thread Jim Cathey
While on the subject, the clock on my '82 300 SD has stripped gears on 
the

mechanism to adjust the time. Are there parts available?


Probably only from another such clock.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

2013-09-23 Thread WILTON

Yep.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting



On 23/09/2013 5:39 AM, Rick Knoble wrote:

On Sep 22, 2013, at 10:32 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

Oh, in reference to Snowden:  I haven't revealed anything that's 
classified.


Do you have knowledge of the event that IS classified?

Rick



If he told you, you know what he would have to do . . . . .

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] W124 cruise controls

2013-09-23 Thread Larry T
Don't know which years it applies to but there was a Service Bulletin 
with instruction for adding a damper to the CC system to prevent 
surging. - my '91 has it  it works well except when going downhill  
It mounts on the front of the drivers front wheel well...


LarryT
91 300D
78 240D

On 9/20/2013 11:43 AM, WILTON wrote:
'Didn't use CC on my '87 300D for years because of the surging.  'Real 
pleasure to use it now with good amp.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: MG trainpain2...@aol.com
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 cruise controls


Well it's not so much that it's not subtle. It's that in all the 
other vehicles I've driven including the Chevy van with diesel 
engine, the CC holds the engine at one RPM when going down a level 
road. My Mercedes 123s all keep changing rpm continuously up and 
down, kind of like they are obsessed with being exactly right on the 
the exact set ft/second rather then being OK with being at about 1 
mph more or less like other cars. Sort of like some Asian drivers 
I've ridden with. They can't seem to hold their foot still on the gas 
peddle, continuous up and down like they're riding a bike or something.


May end up just not using the CC.

Manfred

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 19:16:55 -0400
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com

Mine was like that somewhat 'til I replaced the CC amp with known 
good one

from the SDL.  Now it holds speed very nicely and power applications are
very subtle and not annoying at all - very satisfying.

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] W124 cruise controls

2013-09-23 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Sep 23, 2013 12:48 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

 Don't know which years it applies to
 but there was a Service Bulletin with
 instruction for adding a damper to
 the CC system to prevent surging. -

I seem to be the odd man out here but i've always felt that the CC system
in my '87 300D was the least surge-y of any car I've driven.  Other cars
seem to be constantly on and off the throttle when cruise is active, even
on a level road.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] question that appears political

2013-09-23 Thread Larry T

My kind of guys!!

On 9/21/2013 1:03 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

I've flown El Al.

I've had them call me the day before the flight to verify my identity, which 
they do randomly, so I was told.

They openly admit they profile, and their attitude is If you don't like it, fly 
another carrier.

'nuf said.

Dan who is glad he doesn't travel for business any more


On Sep 21, 2013, at 10:44 AM, G Mann wrote:


If TSA and DHS were sports teams... they would both have set records for
losing streaks.

Billions spent.. Millions of hours of delays caused to good citizens...
Billions of increased costs to airlines and airports with extra time lost
and handling expenses.

ZERO TERRORIST CAUGHT IN 12 YEARS losing streak???  By my measure.

Anyone ever fly El Al Israel airlines?  Or go through Israel 's check
points?  First, you will notice they freely PROFILE... why?  Because they
are looking for TERRORISTS, not 84 yr. old cancer patients wearing depends.

Our security check points are run by poorly trained monkeys, lead by
politically appointed fools who couldn't manage their way out of a wet
paper bag, with a national security planning agency that never saw combat,
with congressional oversight by elected professional fools whose only
coherent daily thought is what can I do to get re-elected.

At this point, my only satisfaction in dealing with them when I fly is to
take Exlax before I go to the airport so when they do the anal probe, I
have something for them to find.

I feel safe now... don't you... Wonder how the Boston bombers were missed?
Wonder how the 911 guys were overlooked.. or the original Trade Towers were
able to do their attack?  I mean.. we spend billions on... wait.. Ohh..
this just in... Bill and Monica News Break... We'll cover that just after
the break

Tongue firmly in Cheek.

Grant... [Who wonders just how many peoples lives would have been saved if
just one American citizen on each plane on 911 had exercised their
Constitutional right to self defense and been armed and not infringed.
Oh... that's right.. call an armed policeman as soon as the airplane gets
on the ground after the terrorist kill the flight crew ]


On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 5:25 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote:


Gotta keep the sheeple in line.

Mike
On Sep 21, 2013 2:42 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:


absolutely.  some guy grabbing my genitals when i try to get on an

airplane

does nothing to stop me just walking on an amtrak train and doing

whatever

i like.  security thinking is so limited that i wonder if it isn't

just a

ruse, a cynical fraud and confidence game.



On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 2:37 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com
wrote:


This is just one more example of the limitations of security thinking
which (IMO) generally creates more problems/cost for the good
guys than the bad guys.



-Original Message-
From: Gary Hurst
Subject: [MBZ] question that appears political

here is a question for you war on terror wonks.  you cannot get

into

this
place without proper clearance on land.  i once tried to ride my

bicycle

in
and guys were on me like white on rice.  but i can get in there by

water

via canoe as much as i like 24/7.  doesn't this kind of indicate that

the

anti terror stuff is kind of a sham maybe?



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Re: [MBZ] W124 cruise controls

2013-09-23 Thread WILTON

My '87 300D surges not at all now with good amplifier.
'Can't imaging how it could be any smoother and more subtle with it's 
application and regulation of power.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net

To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 cruise controls


Don't know which years it applies to but there was a Service Bulletin with 
instruction for adding a damper to the CC system to prevent surging. - my 
'91 has it  it works well except when going downhill  It mounts on 
the front of the drivers front wheel well...


LarryT
91 300D
78 240D

On 9/20/2013 11:43 AM, WILTON wrote:
'Didn't use CC on my '87 300D for years because of the surging.  'Real 
pleasure to use it now with good amp.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: MG trainpain2...@aol.com
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 cruise controls


Well it's not so much that it's not subtle. It's that in all the other 
vehicles I've driven including the Chevy van with diesel engine, the CC 
holds the engine at one RPM when going down a level road. My Mercedes 
123s all keep changing rpm continuously up and down, kind of like they 
are obsessed with being exactly right on the the exact set ft/second 
rather then being OK with being at about 1 mph more or less like other 
cars. Sort of like some Asian drivers I've ridden with. They can't seem 
to hold their foot still on the gas peddle, continuous up and down like 
they're riding a bike or something.


May end up just not using the CC.

Manfred

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 19:16:55 -0400
From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com

Mine was like that somewhat 'til I replaced the CC amp with known good 
one

from the SDL.  Now it holds speed very nicely and power applications are
very subtle and not annoying at all - very satisfying.

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

2013-09-23 Thread Craig
On Sun, 22 Sep 2013 21:01:03 -0500 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
wrote:

 Are there any pictures of a secondary - just to see that 1960's
 technology that has enabled a disaster to not turn in to a fiasco?

No.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY

2013-09-23 Thread Curt Raymond
Last night when I fueled up regular unleaded was $3.51, diesel was $3.79.

3.79-3.51 = .28

3.79 / .28 = 0.07

So diesel is 7% more expensive than gas. Is that shockingly high for the fuel 
with 30% more energy?

I think your question is Diesel used to be cheaper than gas, why is it more 
expensive now? the answer is that the price of diesel in the US now floats 
with the price of diesel in Europe because we ship refined product to Europe 
which we didn't used to do. Its the old rule of supply and demand that nobody 
seems to understand.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:59:33 -0400
From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Can someone please explain the shockingly hihh price disparity with
unleaded gas?
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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

2013-09-23 Thread Mountain Man
Craig wrote:
 Are there any pictures of a secondary...

 No.

Have you seen a secondary? - or would you need to kill okiebenz if
you say anything...
mao

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[MBZ] changing 123 300TD rear springs

2013-09-23 Thread Rick Hawkins Java

Folks

How hard is it to change  123 300TD rear springs?

do i need the spring compressor?

how are Lesjofers from sweden? sweedish steel??

https://www.autohausaz.com/search/product.aspx?sid=y1xuii55upsbrn55k5sssmzdpartnumber=W0133-1622978


thanks,

xx rick
Rick Hawkins
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Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY

2013-09-23 Thread Craig
On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond
curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Last night when I fueled up regular unleaded was $3.51, diesel was
 $3.79.
 
 3.79-3.51 = .28
 
 3.79 / .28 = 0.07
 
 So diesel is 7% more expensive than gas. Is that shockingly high for
 the fuel with 30% more energy?

Actually, that should have been 0.28 / 3.51 = 8%, only a little different.

Today, unleaded was $3.339 and diesel was $3.959.
Diesel is 18.6% more expensive than regular gas.

Premium unleaded was $3.539. We use that in our '95 E320, which gets 25
MPG.

Diesel at $3.959 we use in our '82 240D/3.0, which gets 23 MPG.

So the cost for a mile of fuel for the E320 is $0.14156 and
the cost for a mile of fuel for the 240D/3.0 is $0.17213, 21.6% more
expensive. Besides, I need to find the delivery valve seals for the
240D/3.0's injection pump and replace them before I hook the fuel line
back up to the fuel pump


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY

2013-09-23 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
Along route 29 near Culpepper, diesel is $3.79 and low test $3.13.  Now
that is way more than eight percent.


On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond
 curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Last night when I fueled up regular unleaded was $3.51, diesel was
  $3.79.
 
  3.79-3.51 = .28
 
  3.79 / .28 = 0.07
 
  So diesel is 7% more expensive than gas. Is that shockingly high for
  the fuel with 30% more energy?

 Actually, that should have been 0.28 / 3.51 = 8%, only a little different.

 Today, unleaded was $3.339 and diesel was $3.959.
 Diesel is 18.6% more expensive than regular gas.

 Premium unleaded was $3.539. We use that in our '95 E320, which gets 25
 MPG.

 Diesel at $3.959 we use in our '82 240D/3.0, which gets 23 MPG.

 So the cost for a mile of fuel for the E320 is $0.14156 and
 the cost for a mile of fuel for the 240D/3.0 is $0.17213, 21.6% more
 expensive. Besides, I need to find the delivery valve seals for the
 240D/3.0's injection pump and replace them before I hook the fuel line
 back up to the fuel pump


 Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY

2013-09-23 Thread Andrew Strasfogel
That's in Virginia, btw.


On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote:

 Along route 29 near Culpepper, diesel is $3.79 and low test $3.13.  Now
 that is way more than eight percent.


 On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond
 curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

  Last night when I fueled up regular unleaded was $3.51, diesel was
  $3.79.
 
  3.79-3.51 = .28
 
  3.79 / .28 = 0.07
 
  So diesel is 7% more expensive than gas. Is that shockingly high for
  the fuel with 30% more energy?

 Actually, that should have been 0.28 / 3.51 = 8%, only a little different.

 Today, unleaded was $3.339 and diesel was $3.959.
 Diesel is 18.6% more expensive than regular gas.

 Premium unleaded was $3.539. We use that in our '95 E320, which gets 25
 MPG.

 Diesel at $3.959 we use in our '82 240D/3.0, which gets 23 MPG.

 So the cost for a mile of fuel for the E320 is $0.14156 and
 the cost for a mile of fuel for the 240D/3.0 is $0.17213, 21.6% more
 expensive. Besides, I need to find the delivery valve seals for the
 240D/3.0's injection pump and replace them before I hook the fuel line
 back up to the fuel pump


 Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY

2013-09-23 Thread Craig
On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 20:50:19 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel
astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Along route 29 near Culpepper, diesel is $3.79 and low test $3.13.  Now
 that is way more than eight percent.

21.03%, to be precise.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY

2013-09-23 Thread Jaime Kopchinski
It really makes more sense to compare diesel to premium gas, since most of
the gas versions of these cars require it.

I've driven the E250 bluetec... its really quite a car.  Its hard to
believe its only a 4 cylinder when driving it, its very powerful.

Jaime



On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote:

 Along route 29 near Culpepper, diesel is $3.79 and low test $3.13.  Now
 that is way more than eight percent.


 On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

  On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond
  curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
   Last night when I fueled up regular unleaded was $3.51, diesel was
   $3.79.
  
   3.79-3.51 = .28
  
   3.79 / .28 = 0.07
  
   So diesel is 7% more expensive than gas. Is that shockingly high for
   the fuel with 30% more energy?
 
  Actually, that should have been 0.28 / 3.51 = 8%, only a little
 different.
 
  Today, unleaded was $3.339 and diesel was $3.959.
  Diesel is 18.6% more expensive than regular gas.
 
  Premium unleaded was $3.539. We use that in our '95 E320, which gets 25
  MPG.
 
  Diesel at $3.959 we use in our '82 240D/3.0, which gets 23 MPG.
 
  So the cost for a mile of fuel for the E320 is $0.14156 and
  the cost for a mile of fuel for the 240D/3.0 is $0.17213, 21.6% more
  expensive. Besides, I need to find the delivery valve seals for the
  240D/3.0's injection pump and replace them before I hook the fuel line
  back up to the fuel pump
 
 
  Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] question that appears political

2013-09-23 Thread G Mann
TSA: Mr. Fienstein.. this is TSA calling to profile you by telephone...
Please state your full name..

Fienstein:  My namea Achmed Fienstein... I do nothing wrong..

TSA:  You are obligated to tell the truth for our survey profile..  What is
your religion..

Achmed: Mine is the religion of peace... by the principle of AL Taqqyiaa I
will tell you all the truth necessary.   [those who don't know what Al
Taqqyiaa is... look it up.. ]

TSA: What is the purpose of your travel..

Achmed: I am traveling to the great satan to do the will of allah...

TSA: So you are a religious person then?

Achmed: I will go directly to paradise to receive my eternal reward long
before the airplane arrives to it's final destination..

TSA: So then.. you have a terminal illness?

Achmed: I am quite healthy actually..

TSA:  Ohhh OK... will you be traveling with luggage?

Achmed:  Everything I require will be carried in my special vest.

TSA: Very well Mr. Achmed Feinstein.. have a nice flight..

Achmed:  Allah hu Akbar infidel...

I feel so safe now.. knowing TSA is conducting telephone interviews of
suspected terrorist... I'm sure that is a fruitful use of public tax
money..

Grant...


On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

 My kind of guys!!

 On 9/21/2013 1:03 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

 I've flown El Al.

 I've had them call me the day before the flight to verify my identity,
 which they do randomly, so I was told.

 They openly admit they profile, and their attitude is If you don't like
 it, fly another carrier.

 'nuf said.

 Dan who is glad he doesn't travel for business any more


 On Sep 21, 2013, at 10:44 AM, G Mann wrote:

  If TSA and DHS were sports teams... they would both have set records for
 losing streaks.

 Billions spent.. Millions of hours of delays caused to good citizens...
 Billions of increased costs to airlines and airports with extra time lost
 and handling expenses.

 ZERO TERRORIST CAUGHT IN 12 YEARS losing streak???  By my measure.

 Anyone ever fly El Al Israel airlines?  Or go through Israel 's check
 points?  First, you will notice they freely PROFILE... why?  Because they
 are looking for TERRORISTS, not 84 yr. old cancer patients wearing
 depends.

 Our security check points are run by poorly trained monkeys, lead by
 politically appointed fools who couldn't manage their way out of a wet
 paper bag, with a national security planning agency that never saw
 combat,
 with congressional oversight by elected professional fools whose only
 coherent daily thought is what can I do to get re-elected.

 At this point, my only satisfaction in dealing with them when I fly is to
 take Exlax before I go to the airport so when they do the anal probe, I
 have something for them to find.

 I feel safe now... don't you... Wonder how the Boston bombers were
 missed?
 Wonder how the 911 guys were overlooked.. or the original Trade Towers
 were
 able to do their attack?  I mean.. we spend billions on... wait..
 Ohh..
 this just in... Bill and Monica News Break... We'll cover that just after
 the break

 Tongue firmly in Cheek.

 Grant... [Who wonders just how many peoples lives would have been saved
 if
 just one American citizen on each plane on 911 had exercised their
 Constitutional right to self defense and been armed and not infringed.
 Oh... that's right.. call an armed policeman as soon as the airplane gets
 on the ground after the terrorist kill the flight crew ]


 On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 5:25 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Gotta keep the sheeple in line.

 Mike
 On Sep 21, 2013 2:42 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  absolutely.  some guy grabbing my genitals when i try to get on an

 airplane

 does nothing to stop me just walking on an amtrak train and doing

 whatever

 i like.  security thinking is so limited that i wonder if it isn't

 just a

 ruse, a cynical fraud and confidence game.



 On Sat, Sep 21, 2013 at 2:37 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com
 wrote:

  This is just one more example of the limitations of security
 thinking
 which (IMO) generally creates more problems/cost for the good
 guys than the bad guys.


  -Original Message-
 From: Gary Hurst
 Subject: [MBZ] question that appears political

 here is a question for you war on terror wonks.  you cannot get

 into

 this
 place without proper clearance on land.  i once tried to ride my

 bicycle

 in
 and guys were on me like white on rice.  but i can get in there by

 water

 via canoe as much as i like 24/7.  doesn't this kind of indicate that

 the

 anti terror stuff is kind of a sham maybe?


  https://maps.google.com/maps?**hl=enq=port%20evergladesgbv=**
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Re: [MBZ] OT but interesting

2013-09-23 Thread Craig
On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 17:10:52 -0500 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
wrote:

 Craig wrote:
  Are there any pictures of a secondary...
 
  No.
 
 Have you seen a secondary? - or would you need to kill okiebenz if
 you say anything...
 mao

It's probably best that I not say any more.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY

2013-09-23 Thread OK Don
You don't drive a Diesel because it's cheaper. You drive it for the
superior technology, robustness, and because it's your religion. Economics
has nothing to do with it.

BTW, regular unleaded is $3.40 and Diesel is $3.80 here in OK. 100LL Avgas
runs from $4.80 to $6.50, depending on which area airport you go to. I burn
unleaded regular in my Cessna . . .


On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote:

 It really makes more sense to compare diesel to premium gas, since most of
 the gas versions of these cars require it.

 I've driven the E250 bluetec... its really quite a car.  Its hard to
 believe its only a 4 cylinder when driving it, its very powerful.

 Jaime



 On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Along route 29 near Culpepper, diesel is $3.79 and low test $3.13.  Now
  that is way more than eight percent.
 
 
  On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
 
   On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond
   curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
Last night when I fueled up regular unleaded was $3.51, diesel was
$3.79.
   
3.79-3.51 = .28
   
3.79 / .28 = 0.07
   
So diesel is 7% more expensive than gas. Is that shockingly high for
the fuel with 30% more energy?
  
   Actually, that should have been 0.28 / 3.51 = 8%, only a little
  different.
  
   Today, unleaded was $3.339 and diesel was $3.959.
   Diesel is 18.6% more expensive than regular gas.
  
   Premium unleaded was $3.539. We use that in our '95 E320, which gets 25
   MPG.
  
   Diesel at $3.959 we use in our '82 240D/3.0, which gets 23 MPG.
  
   So the cost for a mile of fuel for the E320 is $0.14156 and
   the cost for a mile of fuel for the 240D/3.0 is $0.17213, 21.6% more
   expensive. Besides, I need to find the delivery valve seals for the
   240D/3.0's injection pump and replace them before I hook the fuel line
   back up to the fuel pump
  
  
   Craig
  
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Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY

2013-09-23 Thread Craig
On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 23:11:39 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 BTW, regular unleaded is $3.40 and Diesel is $3.80 here in OK. 100LL
 Avgas runs from $4.80 to $6.50, depending on which area airport you go
 to. I burn unleaded regular in my Cessna . . .

Does your Cessna mind running no lead as opposed to low lead?
Does it have sodium-filled valves?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY

2013-09-23 Thread Peter Frederick

Well, I look at it this way:

The 300D gets very close to 30 mpg and has racked up at bit more than  
400k miles (odometer reads 330k, but was non-functional for at least 4  
years before I got it, and I put 15k on another one before I fixed the  
original).


My 300TE get about 22 on the highway, my brother's 300E gets around  
25.  Both require premiun, and run like crap without it.  The TE is at  
230k, running strong.


So I think I'm saving money -- I get about 25% more milage per dollar  
since diesel and premium are very close in price here.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY

2013-09-23 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
 On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 23:11:39 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 BTW, regular unleaded is $3.40 and Diesel is $3.80 here in OK. 100LL
 Avgas runs from $4.80 to $6.50, depending on which area airport you go
 to. I burn unleaded regular in my Cessna . . .

 Does your Cessna mind running no lead as opposed to low lead?
 Does it have sodium-filled valves?



I thought the issue with old cars and unleaded gas had to do with the
valve seats--older ones need the constant reapplication of lead
deposits to protect them, or something like that?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Current diesel cars/suvs available for 2014 MY

2013-09-23 Thread Peter Frederick
Lead oxide eats valve seats.  It also eats rings, bearings, and valve  
guides.  It may not be as hard as aluminun oxide, but it sure is  
harder than any metal in an engine.  Burning tetraethyl lead produces  
microfine particulate lead oxide, which goes right through the oil  
filter.


The huge stink about ablative coatings of lead oxide on the valve  
seats was bulls...t from GM because they didn't want to have to  
install hardened steel seats in their engines, all of which at the  
time had the valve seat and valve stem guide machined directly into  
the cast iron head.


Removing the lead from gasoline resulted in much LESS valve seat wear,  
not more.


Mercedes had been using hardened steel valve seats for decades by that  
time.  So had everyone using aluminum heads, and nearly everyone using  
cast iron.  After all, they run much better when the valves seal


The reason engines last so much longer than they did in the 60s is due  
to to things -- no lead, hence no lead oxide abrasive powder in the  
oil grinding the engine into dust, and the fact that the typical  
sloppy manufacturing in the 60's prevented most engines from meeting  
emission standards.  It wasn't uncommon for the crankpins on a Chevy  
350 V8 to be 0.030 off center (in any direction, and different on all  
the crankpins) and the lifter bores were up to 10 degrees off true and  
as much as 0.100 off center.  Sloppy manufacture, especially off- 
center crankshaft journals, means poor engine life.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] changing 123 300TD rear springs

2013-09-23 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com wrote:

 Folks

 How hard is it to change  123 300TD rear springs?

 do i need the spring compressor?


If you like having your head attached to the rest of your body, yes.

Seriously, accidents have happened.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] changing 123 300TD rear springs

2013-09-23 Thread Craig
On Mon, 23 Sep 2013 22:04:15 -0700 Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Rick Hawkins Java macj...@aol.com
 wrote:
 
  Folks
 
  How hard is it to change  123 300TD rear springs?
 
  do i need the spring compressor?
 
 
 If you like having your head attached to the rest of your body, yes.
 
 Seriously, accidents have happened.

You don't need them for the rear springs on the W123 sedan. The fronts
are a VERY DIFFERENT story!


Craig

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