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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-22 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes

Pull the electrical connector at the monovalve.  That should let the
monovalve stay full open.  If still no heat, the monoalve insert is toast.
Good luck finding a replacement.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 11:57 PM
> To: Curt Raymond; Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is
> outside - even with the heat on!
> 
> Yeah, GMail in conversation mode aggregates all responses, although some
> are private.  I still am getting used to this.  Also, your questions was
in tiny
> type that I could barely read.
> 
> Anyway, at idle there doesn't appear to be much difference in heat.  My
tech
> is betting it's the monovalve, with the ACC module a close second.  I have
a
> spare ACC module so will test this first before purchasing a monovalve.  I
did
> notice that the faster I drove and the longer I was on the road, the
colder it
> felt, but that may have been a cumulative effect...
> 
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > You didn't answer the question and you responded only to me although
> > from your response it would appear you meant to respond to everybody.
> > -Curt
> >   From: Andrew Strasfogel 
> >  To: Curt Raymond 
> >  Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 2:58 PM
> >  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is
> > outside - even with the heat on!
> >
> > I forgot to mention that it isn't the thermostat - the engine
> > operating temperature was in the normal range. Has anyone replaced or
> > know the purpose of, the "AC heater and control valve" and if so,
> > where is it mounted?
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Curt Raymond
> 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Does it blow warmer when sitting at idle? Thats a sure sign of
monovalve.
> > -Curt
> >   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> >  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >  Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 1:30 PM
> >  Subject: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is
> > outside
> > - even with the heat on!
> >
> > Drove back from NYC last night and almost froze to death. Crazy
> symptoms:
> >
> > 1. Blower works fine but even with wheel pegged to max heat, there is
> > no warmth to the air flow.
> >
> > 2. Two right side dash vents blow so cold they had to be shut off; two
> > left side blow lukewarm at best
> >
> > 3. Air to floor is icy cold (ambient air?).
> >
> > 4.  Problem worsened as time went on.
> >
> > Ideas?
> >
> > I was thinking the problem could be blamed on one of the following:
> > 1. defective mono valve
> > 2. push button ACC malfunction (system not responsive to temp. wheel)
> > 3. defective "AC heater and control valve - used with A/C and heating
> > controls in dash":
> >
> > 
> > 0008000478
> > Genuine Mercedes
>  - AC
> > & Heater Control Valve; Changeover Valve for Climate Control; 2 Pin &
> > 2 Vacuum Connectors Anyone ever repalced a W123 "AC & Heater Control
> > Valve?"  If so, what symptoms did it resolve?
> >
> > Incidentally, the AC blew ICE COLD all summer long.
> >
> > BTW, how do you account for the large price difference in new
> > monovalves offered on ebay that appear to be identical:
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=mercedes+mono+valve&_from=R4
> 0%7CR
> >
> 40&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xme
> rced
> >
> es+mono+valve+%2B+%28w123%2C+300d%29&_nkw=mercedes+mono+valv
> e+%2B+%28w
> > 123%2C+300d%29&_sacat=0
> >
> > Thanks in advance, and brrr!
> >
> > Andrew
> > 1983 300TD  runs hot and cold
> > 1985 300TD  Freeze your b*tt off year round.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Video editing

2014-12-22 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes

<<...on an older laptop.>>

I would be reluctant to do any video editing on less than a core 2 duo @
around 2GHz with 3 or more Gb of RAM.

Greg

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don
via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 9:25 PM
To: Dan Penoff; Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - Video editing

Isn't there a Linux distro that is tailored for multi-media production?
Maybe that's the way I should go --- on an older laptop. Perhaps try both
and then decide?


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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-22 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

> Andrew wrote:
> 
> Anyway, at idle there doesn't appear to be much difference in
> heat.  My tech is betting it's the monovalve, with the ACC module
> a close second.  I have a spare ACC module so will test this
> first before purchasing a monovalve.  I did notice that the
> faster I drove and the longer I was on the road, the colder it
> felt, but that may have been a cumulative effect...

The classic symptom of a torn monovalve insert is heat ONLY at low
engine RPM.  It is possible, but not likely, that a damaged insert
would cause no heat.  But it could be electrical failure.

I'd unplug the electrical connector on the monovalve and go for a
drive.  That is the full heat setting.  If there is still no heat,
it has to be the monovalve or the coolant flow.  If there is heat -
then it's the controller.

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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-22 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

‎  Original Message  
From: Jon Agne via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 11:16 PM
To: Andrew Strasfogel; Mercedes Discussion List
Reply To: Jon Agne
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is   outside 
- even with the heat on!

>I did both, and my wife has no >more complaints about the >temperature 
>control.‎

And everyone knows... a happy wife, means a happy life! 

Rick 
Sent from my BlackBerry Z10

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Video editing

2014-12-22 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

Isn't there a Linux distro that is tailored for multi-media production?
Maybe that's the way I should go --- on an older laptop. Perhaps try both
and then decide?


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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-22 Thread Jon Agne via Mercedes

Hi Andrew,

Go with a new OE mono-valve.  I had the same issue and bought 2 chinese 
mono-valves from Rusty before crying uncle.  The OE ($146 IIRC) has worked 
perfectly since it was installed almost 3 winters ago.  The cheap Chinese ones 
would get a little tear in the rubber diaphragm allowing the coolant (under 
pressure) to get where it shouldn’t.

The other 2 issues that will affect you are the actual sensor itself (under the 
little grill in your dash) and the tube.  I do not think that these are your 
problem now, but if you replace them…..your system will work completely as 
designed.  I did both, and my wife has no more complaints about the temperature 
control.

Jon


> On Dec 22, 2014, at 1:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Drove back from NYC last night and almost froze to death. Crazy symptoms:
> 
> 1. Blower works fine but even with wheel pegged to max heat, there is no
> warmth to the air flow.
> 
> 2. Two right side dash vents blow so cold they had to be shut off; two left
> side blow lukewarm at best
> 
> 3. Air to floor is icy cold (ambient air?).
> 
> 4.  Problem worsened as time went on.
> 
> Ideas?
> 
> I was thinking the problem could be blamed on one of the following:
> 1. defective mono valve
> 2. push button ACC malfunction (system not responsive to temp. wheel)
> 3. defective "AC heater and control valve - used with A/C and heating
> controls in dash":
> 
> 
> 0008000478
> Genuine Mercedes  - AC &
> Heater Control Valve; Changeover Valve for Climate Control; 2 Pin & 2
> Vacuum Connectors
> Anyone ever repalced a W123 "AC & Heater Control Valve?"  If so, what
> symptoms did it resolve?
> 
> Incidentally, the AC blew ICE COLD all summer long.
> 
> BTW, how do you account for the large price difference in new monovalves
> offered on ebay that appear to be identical:
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=mercedes+mono+valve&_from=R40%7CR40&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xmercedes+mono+valve+%2B+%28w123%2C+300d%29&_nkw=mercedes+mono+valve+%2B+%28w123%2C+300d%29&_sacat=0
> 
> Thanks in advance, and brrr!
> 
> Andrew
> 1983 300TD  runs hot and cold
> 1985 300TD  Freeze your b*tt off year round.
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Re: [MBZ] great christmas deal

2014-12-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

It's a GREAT deal for the seller.

I would diamond blue as a metallic light to medium blue, like the old
silver blue but darker and prettier.

http://www.mercland.com/model/1689-1988%28F%29-MERCEDES-300SL-CONVERTIBLE-AUTOMATIC-DIAMOND-BLUE-R107.html

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> I dunno how great a deal I think it is at $30,000...
> -Curt
>   From: Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes 
>  To: "mercedes@okiebenz.com" 
>  Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 3:28 PM
>  Subject: [MBZ] great christmas deal
>
> for someone
>
> http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/4763457922.html
>
> or a typo with an extra zero
>
> xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-22 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes

Yeah, GMail in conversation mode aggregates all responses, although some
are private.  I still am getting used to this.  Also, your questions was in
tiny type that I could barely read.

Anyway, at idle there doesn't appear to be much difference in heat.  My
tech is betting it's the monovalve, with the ACC module a close second.  I
have a spare ACC module so will test this first before purchasing a
monovalve.  I did notice that the faster I drove and the longer I was on
the road, the colder it felt, but that may have been a cumulative effect...

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You didn't answer the question and you responded only to me although from
> your response it would appear you meant to respond to everybody.
> -Curt
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel 
>  To: Curt Raymond 
>  Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 2:58 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is
> outside - even with the heat on!
>
> I forgot to mention that it isn't the thermostat - the engine operating
> temperature was in the normal range. Has anyone replaced or know the
> purpose of, the "AC heater and control valve" and if so, where is it
> mounted?
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Curt Raymond 
> wrote:
>
> Does it blow warmer when sitting at idle? Thats a sure sign of monovalve.
> -Curt
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>  Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 1:30 PM
>  Subject: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside
> - even with the heat on!
>
> Drove back from NYC last night and almost froze to death. Crazy symptoms:
>
> 1. Blower works fine but even with wheel pegged to max heat, there is no
> warmth to the air flow.
>
> 2. Two right side dash vents blow so cold they had to be shut off; two left
> side blow lukewarm at best
>
> 3. Air to floor is icy cold (ambient air?).
>
> 4.  Problem worsened as time went on.
>
> Ideas?
>
> I was thinking the problem could be blamed on one of the following:
> 1. defective mono valve
> 2. push button ACC malfunction (system not responsive to temp. wheel)
> 3. defective "AC heater and control valve - used with A/C and heating
> controls in dash":
>
> 
> 0008000478
> Genuine Mercedes  - AC &
> Heater Control Valve; Changeover Valve for Climate Control; 2 Pin & 2
> Vacuum Connectors
> Anyone ever repalced a W123 "AC & Heater Control Valve?"  If so, what
> symptoms did it resolve?
>
> Incidentally, the AC blew ICE COLD all summer long.
>
> BTW, how do you account for the large price difference in new monovalves
> offered on ebay that appear to be identical:
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=mercedes+mono+valve&_from=R40%7CR40&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xmercedes+mono+valve+%2B+%28w123%2C+300d%29&_nkw=mercedes+mono+valve+%2B+%28w123%2C+300d%29&_sacat=0
>
> Thanks in advance, and brrr!
>
> Andrew
> 1983 300TD  runs hot and cold
> 1985 300TD  Freeze your b*tt off year round.
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Re: [MBZ] Fw: OT - A COUNTRY BOY REMEMBERS - R. J. WORKS FARM

2014-12-22 Thread WILTON via Mercedes

Wholeheartedly agreed, Don.  My personal experience is the best example I 
know.

Wilton

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From: "OK Don via Mercedes" 
To: "Randy Bennell" ; "Mercedes Discussion List" 

Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fw: OT - A COUNTRY BOY REMEMBERS - R. J. WORKS FARM

Education is the providence of the student. If a student wants to learn, 
no
bad teacher is going to stop them. If they don't even the best teacher 
will

not make a difference. The teacher is just there to assist the student in
his/her journey. Paraphrased from my Grandfather, a professor at the
University of Minnesota.
http://www.microbemagazine.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6149:arthur-t-henrici-an-unsung-hero-of-microbiology&Itemid=1421

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I do think that the old fashioned apprenticeship was likely a better form
of education than most of our highschools and universities provide today.
Sadly, just having the diploma does not mean that you learned much or 
even

that they tried to teach you much.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Fw: OT - A COUNTRY BOY REMEMBERS - R. J. WORKS FARM

2014-12-22 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

Education is the providence of the student. If a student wants to learn, no
bad teacher is going to stop them. If they don't even the best teacher will
not make a difference. The teacher is just there to assist the student in
his/her journey. Paraphrased from my Grandfather, a professor at the
University of Minnesota.
http://www.microbemagazine.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6149:arthur-t-henrici-an-unsung-hero-of-microbiology&Itemid=1421

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> I do think that the old fashioned apprenticeship was likely a better form
> of education than most of our highschools and universities provide today.
> Sadly, just having the diploma does not mean that you learned much or even
> that they tried to teach you much.
>
> RB
>
> --
>

OK Don

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Re: [MBZ] I don't know if anyones been following this, but...

2014-12-22 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

> On December 22, 2014 at 7:38 PM Mountain Man via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> It is real hard to move stuff via rail through Chicago - something like 6
> hours.

Funny, I don't remember telling you about my Amtrak ride from Battle Creek to
Union Station to pick up my 2.3-16, which I promptly overheated driving down
i-90 and i-94 at 0-10mph. I don't think I ever got that car to 50mph the whole
time I had it in Illinois. 

Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] I don't know if anyones been following this, but...

2014-12-22 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

Sorry if I came on too strong, the new season of "Epic Rap Battles of History" 
is out. I should watch the new episode of "Bee and Puppycat" instead.

If you're not hip to the YouTube thing those are both real shows and both are 
brilliant.

-Curt


  From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 7:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] I don't know if anyones been following this, but...
   
Now that is some funny $hit!!! :))

Sent from my iPhone



> On Dec 22, 2014, at 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Didn't Atlanta basically shut down for a week last year for a couple inches 
> of snow? Don't they shut down every couple years for a hurricane? Don't they 
> have tornadoes in Georgia? Seems like the north east has way fewer weather 
> disruptions.While I agree that southerners tend to be friendly but in my 
> experience they also tend to be uneducated and dumb. This often is the reason 
> given for car makers leaving places like Alabama and going to Ontario.
> A friend of mine went to Georgia a few years ago and loved it. Then after a 
> doctor screw up he died. I blame it on Georgia.
> For me anything after Connecticut is too far south ;)
> -Curt
>      From: archer75--- via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 4:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] I don't know if anyones been following this, but...
> 
> Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
>>> I don't know if anyones been following this, but its getting pretty 
>>> heavy here locally. I have a lot of friends and coworkers who are 
>>> directly effected by the potential move (but I'm not, luckily). Not 
>>> a nice thing to worry about over the holidays.
> 
>>> http://www.northjersey.com/news/business/nj-open-to-incentives-to-keep-mercedes-lawmaker-says-1.1172847
> 
> Curly wrote: 
>> Personally, I could never figure out why they opened up shop in NJ 
>> (other than it is one of the points in the USA closest to die 
>> vaterland)    Based on sales, they should locate in Dallas or lost 
>> angels.  Why not just move to AL where the plant is?  Hotlanta is no 
>> longer a desirable location.
> 
> 
> Major company branches seldom move to Atlanta proper; they move to one of the 
> outlying areas. MB is probably thinking of the Atlanta area for several 
> reasons: lower overhead, a world class airport with direct flights to all 
> major international cities, seldom any weather disruptions in the winter, 
> major international ground and air shipping routes and facilities, a few 
> hours drive or 45 minute flight to their plant in Alabama, etc.
> Besides that, Atlanta is probably more of an international city than anyplace 
> in New Jersey. Over 60% of the Atlanta area population are from someplace 
> besides Georgia; including numerous foreign countries.
> 
> Company employees transferred to the Atlanta area seldom have problems 
> acclimating to the local culture since Georgians, like Southerners in 
> general, are friendly and hospitable.
> Jaimie and his friends would probably settle in quickly and be glad they were 
> transferred to the Atlanta area.
> Gerrywho lived and worked in Atlanta for six years
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] I don't know if anyones been following this, but...

2014-12-22 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes

Every southern airport (and city) shuts down if
they get a quarter inch of ice or a couple inches
of snow.

I think Hotlanta is shut down for weather as much as OHare (ORcharD) is.

The USAF used to and probably still does shut
down Basic Training if the temp gets below 32º F.

Now that is some funny $hit!!! :))

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 22, 2014, at 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond via
Mercedes wrote:

Didn't Atlanta basically shut down for a week
last year for a couple inches of snow? Don't
they shut down every couple years for a
hurricane? Don't they have tornadoes in
Georgia? Seems like the north east has way
fewer weather disruptions.While I agree that
southerners tend to be friendly but in my
experience they also tend to be uneducated and
dumb. This often is the reason given for car
makers leaving places like Alabama and going to
Ontario.
A friend of mine went to Georgia a few years
ago and loved it. Then after a doctor screw up
he died. I blame it on Georgia.

For me anything after Connecticut is too far south ;)
-Curt
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To: Mercedes Discussion List
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I don't know if anyones been following this, but...

Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

I don't know if anyones been following this, but its getting pretty
heavy here locally. I have a lot of friends and coworkers who are
directly effected by the potential move (but I'm not, luckily). Not
a nice thing to worry about over the holidays.

http://www.northjersey.com/news/business/nj-open-to-incentives-to-keep-mercedes-lawmaker-says-1.1172847

Curly wrote:

Personally, I could never figure out why they opened up shop in NJ
(other than it is one of the points in the USA closest to die
vaterland)Based on sales, they should locate in Dallas or lost
angels. Why not just move to AL where the plant is? Hotlanta is no
longer a desirable location.

Major company branches seldom move to Atlanta
proper; they move to one of the outlying areas.
MB is probably thinking of the Atlanta area for
several reasons: lower overhead, a world class
airport with direct flights to all major
international cities, seldom any weather
disruptions in the winter, major international
ground and air shipping routes and facilities,
a few hours drive or 45 minute flight to their
plant in Alabama, etc.
Besides that, Atlanta is probably more of an
international city than anyplace in New Jersey.
Over 60% of the Atlanta area population are
from someplace besides Georgia; including
numerous foreign countries.

Company employees transferred to the Atlanta
area seldom have problems acclimating to the
local culture since Georgians, like Southerners
in general, are friendly and hospitable.
Jaimie and his friends would probably settle
in quickly and be glad they were transferred to
the Atlanta area.

Gerrywho lived and worked in Atlanta for six years

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Re: [MBZ] I don't know if anyones been following this, but...

2014-12-22 Thread dseretakis--- via Mercedes

Now that is some funny $hit!!! :))

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 22, 2014, at 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Didn't Atlanta basically shut down for a week last year for a couple inches 
> of snow? Don't they shut down every couple years for a hurricane? Don't they 
> have tornadoes in Georgia? Seems like the north east has way fewer weather 
> disruptions.While I agree that southerners tend to be friendly but in my 
> experience they also tend to be uneducated and dumb. This often is the reason 
> given for car makers leaving places like Alabama and going to Ontario.
> A friend of mine went to Georgia a few years ago and loved it. Then after a 
> doctor screw up he died. I blame it on Georgia.
> For me anything after Connecticut is too far south ;)
> -Curt
>  From: archer75--- via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 4:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] I don't know if anyones been following this, but...
> 
> Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
>>> I don't know if anyones been following this, but its getting pretty 
>>> heavy here locally. I have a lot of friends and coworkers who are 
>>> directly effected by the potential move (but I'm not, luckily). Not 
>>> a nice thing to worry about over the holidays.
> 
>>> http://www.northjersey.com/news/business/nj-open-to-incentives-to-keep-mercedes-lawmaker-says-1.1172847
> 
> Curly wrote: 
>> Personally, I could never figure out why they opened up shop in NJ 
>> (other than it is one of the points in the USA closest to die 
>> vaterland)Based on sales, they should locate in Dallas or lost 
>> angels.  Why not just move to AL where the plant is?  Hotlanta is no 
>> longer a desirable location.
> 
> 
> Major company branches seldom move to Atlanta proper; they move to one of the 
> outlying areas. MB is probably thinking of the Atlanta area for several 
> reasons: lower overhead, a world class airport with direct flights to all 
> major international cities, seldom any weather disruptions in the winter, 
> major international ground and air shipping routes and facilities, a few 
> hours drive or 45 minute flight to their plant in Alabama, etc.
> Besides that, Atlanta is probably more of an international city than anyplace 
> in New Jersey. Over 60% of the Atlanta area population are from someplace 
> besides Georgia; including numerous foreign countries.
> 
> Company employees transferred to the Atlanta area seldom have problems 
> acclimating to the local culture since Georgians, like Southerners in 
> general, are friendly and hospitable.
> Jaimie and his friends would probably settle in quickly and be glad they were 
> transferred to the Atlanta area.
> Gerrywho lived and worked in Atlanta for six years
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] I don't know if anyones been following this, but...

2014-12-22 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes

Curly  wrote:
> Chicago... major rail and water shipping facilities.

It is real hard to move stuff via rail through Chicago - something like 6 hours.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Fw: OT - A COUNTRY BOY REMEMBERS - R. J. WORKS FARM

2014-12-22 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes

Randy wrote:
> ...meangingful work.

Satisfaction rather than dis-satisfaction is critical.
If you ain't happy where you are, you ain't gonna be happy where you ain't.
Fostering dis-satisfaction accomplishes nothing for anyone, and
*meaningful* work seems to be more a function of mind rather than
reality.
I don't see many of us telling stories like Wilton tells - I certainly
don't have memories like that to speak.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] great christmas deal

2014-12-22 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

I dunno how great a deal I think it is at $30,000...
-Curt
  From: Rick Hawkins Java via Mercedes 
 To: "mercedes@okiebenz.com"  
 Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 3:28 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] great christmas deal

for someone

http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/cto/4763457922.html

or a typo with an extra zero

xx rick

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Re: [MBZ] Tesla Motors' killer app

2014-12-22 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

Makes the Superchargers sound less cool than they are. 3 hours would be to 
totally charge a dead battery. Half charge can be achieved in a mere 20 minutes.
-Curt
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 Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 3:10 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Tesla Motors' killer app

Battery-swap station can send Teslas back on road in 3 minutesPublished:
Monday, December 22, 2014

Tesla Motors drivers in California will soon have a faster way to recharge
their batteries when driving from San Francisco to Los Angeles.

The company says the battery-swapping station it opened Friday will allow
customers to recharge their vehicles in about three minutes. Eventually,
Tesla hopes to replace a battery in as little as one minute.

Tesla already has high-speed "supercharger" stations in many areas of the
country, but that equipment takes three hours to fully recharge a battery
-- though that's still faster than many other electric vehicle charging
stations.

Unlike the supercharger stations, which Tesla lets vehicle owners use at no
cost, battery-swapping will require paying a surcharge, which it said would
be "slightly less than a full tank of gasoline for a premium sedan."

The company said the new battery-swapping station is located in an area of
Interstate 5 just north of the Los Angeles area, near a supercharger
station that is popular with drivers (David Baker, *San Francisco Chronicle*
,
Dec. 19).
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside - even with the heat on!

2014-12-22 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

You didn't answer the question and you responded only to me although from your
response it would appear you meant to respond to everybody.
-Curt
From: Andrew Strasfogel
To: Curt Raymond
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside
- even with the heat on!

I forgot to mention that it isn't the thermostat - the engine operating
temperature was in the normal range. Has anyone replaced or know the purpose
of, the "AC heater and control valve" and if so, where is it mounted?

On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Does it blow warmer when sitting at idle? Thats a sure sign of monovalve.
-Curt
From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 1:30 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 1985 300TD Blows Ice Cold no matter how cold it is outside -
even with the heat on!

Drove back from NYC last night and almost froze to death. Crazy symptoms:

1. Blower works fine but even with wheel pegged to max heat, there is no
warmth to the air flow.

2. Two right side dash vents blow so cold they had to be shut off; two left
side blow lukewarm at best

3. Air to floor is icy cold (ambient air?).

4. Problem worsened as time went on.

Ideas?

I was thinking the problem could be blamed on one of the following:
1. defective mono valve
2. push button ACC malfunction (system not responsive to temp. wheel)
3. defective "AC heater and control valve - used with A/C and heating
controls in dash":

0008000478
Genuine Mercedes - AC &
Heater Control Valve; Changeover Valve for Climate Control; 2 Pin & 2
Vacuum Connectors
Anyone ever repalced a W123 "AC & Heater Control Valve?" If so, what
symptoms did it resolve?

Incidentally, the AC blew ICE COLD all summer long.

BTW, how do you account for the large price difference in new monovalves
offered on ebay that appear to be identical:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=mercedes+mono+valve&_from=R40%7CR40&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xmercedes+mono+valve+%2B+%28w123%2C+300d%29&_nkw=mercedes+mono+valve+%2B+%28w123%2C+300d%29&_sacat=0

Thanks in advance, and brrr!

Andrew
1983 300TD runs hot and cold
1985 300TD Freeze your b*tt off year round.
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Re: [MBZ] More OT - Christmas presents

2014-12-22 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes


It is simpler than it looks then.
Nice job.

RB

On 19/12/2014 9:39 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
the front and rear pieces are each made of 7 pieces of 2x6 cut and 
glued together. Then the sides made of 1/4" plywood were glued on. The 
deck, the deck house and the bottom are also made of 1/4" plywood and 
everything is glued together. I don't remember using any brads to hold 
anything together, just the glue. It was interesting.


The animals are made of cloth with yarn for the manes. They were cut 
out sewn together, turned inside out and stuffed with pillow stuffing 
and then the final small hole was sewn shut.


Never built any full size boats, don't have the time.

Manfred

Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2014 14:37:57 -0600
From: Randy Bennell 
To: MG , Mercedes Discussion List

Subject: Re: [MBZ] : Re:  More OT - Christmas presents
Message-ID: <54948ca5.1060...@bennell.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

Hey, from now on we will have to call you Noah!

That is nicely done.
Did you have to steam the wood to bend it like that?
Is it essentially stitch and glue? I could not see spots where the wire
would have been tied to hold it together while gluing.

Have you built any full sized boats?

Last question for now - You say grandma made the animals - What are they
made of?

RB

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Re: [MBZ] Holiday parties

2014-12-22 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes

Must be he was trying to make ANFO so he could blow up the concrete!

Greg

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Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 11:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Holiday parties

What good does fertilizer do to oil stains on concrete?  What sort of
fertilizer?

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> We had ours last night.  A whole lot of cleaning went on, including a 
> (for me, rare) dump run.  SWMBA wanted all the cars away from the 
> front of the house in order to maximize guest parking.  (About 30 
> guests, I think.)  It was a fairly warm day, mid-40's and sunny, and 
> for a change the semi- comatose cars cooperated.  The 560 SEL actually 
> _started_, so I got it backed out of the way.  The Chicken Wagon 
> started readily, of course, and with its bad B2 (?) was able to creep 
> forward enough that I could get it into reverse and park it out of the 
> way too.
>
> The 'heap, of course, cooperated nicely, and I ran it out to the end 
> of the range, to mark beyond where not to go.
> I ran an extension cord out to power the in-car Christmas lights, and 
> hooked up a battery charger so as to gain the parking lights as well.  
> Very festive!
>
> It was eerie, having a completely empty parking pad.  I even swept it, 
> and poured fertilizer on all the oil spots.  Easy to put six cars on 
> concrete, and plenty of room for many more on the gravel.
>
> I don't want to leave the cars where they are, they need to be closer 
> for tool access and electricity, and I dread SWMBA's reaction when I 
> put them back!
>
> -- Jim
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