Re: [MBZ] Libre Office?
> Randy wrote: > > So, what is it? > I did a quick seach and what I read suggested it is sort of an > offshoot of Open Office. > Is there a difference, and if so what advantages are there? OpenOffice was purchased by Oracle. Nothing had changed for a _long_ time, which wasn't much of a surprise looking at Oracle and open source software. So most of the clever people there got fed up with do-nothing and created a fork that is more open/free/libre. This is called "LibreOffice". At first, there it wasn't as smooth - but it's good now. Then OpenOffice was bought by Apache - who really does understand (grok) open source. It is now being developed again. So there are two. Which is better? I like the license of LibreOffice better. But there is very little difference from the perspective of a casual user. A "power" user may encounter some differences, but even those are fairly minor, so far as I can tell. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT XP question Yay Russ!
> > Curly wrote: > > > once people learn libre office and thunderbird, they > > they can learn *buntu and we will be away from the M$ desktop. > Rick wrote: > > Good for you,(attaboy) and good for them. I had an Ubuntu program > on my last box that moved the maximize, minimize, and close > window buttons to the upper right hand corner of the open window, > as opposed to the upper left. I will see if I can find it, and I > will post a link. I had that machine's desktop setup darn near > like an XP machine. If all you want is the window widgets to be similar, there are _so_ many to choose from one of 'em will be close. For the rest of the user experience, the session manager LXDE is a lot like MSWin in layout and feel. _I_ dislike it for that reason - but others will likely think it feels comfortable. It's certainly more like classic MSWin than Gnome3 or Win8! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Microwaves
Is there any way the OE fuse holder could be replaced with a standard fuse holder or a circuit breaker? The fuse is really weird, it's soldered in, but the body clips into a regular fuse clip. There are wires to the fuse body clips too, and they're not exactly the same as where the fuse is soldered in. I'm sure it could be replaced with something else, but I'd want a good schematic to look at before I'd really want to do this. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Microwaves
Jim, Is there any way the OE fuse holder could be replaced with a standard fuse holder or a circuit breaker? I am thinking a jumper in place of the OE fuse, then mount a push button circuit breaker I had a door interlock mishap the other day, and our kitchen microwave went dark. I pulled it out this morning, and found its line fuse dead. (This is normal for the series when an interlock 'fails'.) The fuse is abby-normal, so I pulled one from the parts oven in the garage, and it's back in service. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Microwaves
I have an Amana, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Jim Cathey via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:59 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT: Microwaves I had a door interlock mishap the other day, and our kitchen microwave went dark. I pulled it out this morning, and found its line fuse dead. (This is normal for the series when an interlock 'fails'.) The fuse is abby-normal, so I pulled one from the parts oven in the garage, and it's back in service. I suppose someday I'll have to replace it, but this Amana RR-6W is still going strong, and has only been in service for 39 years. Built like a brick outhouse, it's truly well-constructed inside. And heavy. If you poke it hard enough to scoot it on the table you will need a splint afterwards. And it doesn't beep, I like that. To date it has needed: 1) New filter capacitors on the timer board 2) Interior lamp 3) Clean and reattach the door window glass 4) Line fuse It was made 100% in the USA, by companies such as Amana, Litton, Raytheon, Advance, etc. I would call it the 240D of microwaves. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Wilton and Crabs (WILTON)
No; just lucky. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Addison Thompson via Mercedes" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wilton and Crabs (WILTON) Wilton, Did you ever dial in the crab angle the WRONG direction? I did - once!!! That was a wild touch and go. Addison On Jan 14, 2015, Wilton wrote: From: "WILTON" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wilton and Crabs Date: January 14, 2015 12:53:39 PM PST To: "Dan Penoff" , "Mercedes Discussion List" The FOUR main landing gear "trucks" swivel. Ya don't dial in "runway heading," ya dial in degrees left or right of cross-wind crab to compensate for drift and keep gear aligned with runway heading. As wind changes, ya hafta change the cross-wind crab setting manually. If ya make a series of touch-and-go landings, ya hafta check and set cross-wind crab as necessary for each landing. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes List" Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:21 PM Subject: [MBZ] Wilton and Crabs Cool: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/this-video-shows-that-you-dont-fly-a-b-52-you-wrestle-i-1678846593 Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Microwaves
I had a door interlock mishap the other day, and our kitchen microwave went dark. I pulled it out this morning, and found its line fuse dead. (This is normal for the series when an interlock 'fails'.) The fuse is abby-normal, so I pulled one from the parts oven in the garage, and it's back in service. I suppose someday I'll have to replace it, but this Amana RR-6W is still going strong, and has only been in service for 39 years. Built like a brick outhouse, it's truly well-constructed inside. And heavy. If you poke it hard enough to scoot it on the table you will need a splint afterwards. And it doesn't beep, I like that. To date it has needed: 1) New filter capacitors on the timer board 2) Interior lamp 3) Clean and reattach the door window glass 4) Line fuse It was made 100% in the USA, by companies such as Amana, Litton, Raytheon, Advance, etc. I would call it the 240D of microwaves. -- Jim Yep I have one of them. When I bought it, it needed a new glass dish in the bottom. THe dish cost 3 or 4 times what I paid for the oven. I intend to keep it forever. I also have the first MW we bought new. It is a litton, and was one of the last with a timer and NO touchpad. I expect to keep it forever too. It is 34 yeears old. I put a light bulb in it once. It may get passed on to the next generation (TNG), as may the Amana. I also have an old 2 speed kennymore small one. I like the two speed for some things. It has a timer also. I have done NO repairs on it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT: Microwaves
I had a door interlock mishap the other day, and our kitchen microwave went dark. I pulled it out this morning, and found its line fuse dead. (This is normal for the series when an interlock 'fails'.) The fuse is abby-normal, so I pulled one from the parts oven in the garage, and it's back in service. I suppose someday I'll have to replace it, but this Amana RR-6W is still going strong, and has only been in service for 39 years. Built like a brick outhouse, it's truly well-constructed inside. And heavy. If you poke it hard enough to scoot it on the table you will need a splint afterwards. And it doesn't beep, I like that. To date it has needed: 1) New filter capacitors on the timer board 2) Interior lamp 3) Clean and reattach the door window glass 4) Line fuse It was made 100% in the USA, by companies such as Amana, Litton, Raytheon, Advance, etc. I would call it the 240D of microwaves. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Wilton and Crabs (WILTON)
Wilton, Did you ever dial in the crab angle the WRONG direction? I did - once!!! That was a wild touch and go. Addison On Jan 14, 2015, Wilton wrote: From: "WILTON" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wilton and Crabs Date: January 14, 2015 12:53:39 PM PST To: "Dan Penoff" , "Mercedes Discussion List" The FOUR main landing gear "trucks" swivel. Ya don't dial in "runway heading," ya dial in degrees left or right of cross-wind crab to compensate for drift and keep gear aligned with runway heading. As wind changes, ya hafta change the cross-wind crab setting manually. If ya make a series of touch-and-go landings, ya hafta check and set cross-wind crab as necessary for each landing. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes List" Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:21 PM Subject: [MBZ] Wilton and Crabs > Cool: > > http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/this-video-shows-that-you-dont-fly-a-b-52-you-wrestle-i-1678846593 > > Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Libre Office?
I might need to try it again, but the last several times I've tried either open or libre office they trashed my Word docs, and now the "Office compatible" app on the iPad trashes Excel spreadsheets. I have the current long term support Ubuntu running on an HP tablet PC, but haven't tried working with docs yet. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 4:59 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Open Office seems dog slow compared to Libre O. I use LO on my macs and > it does fine. > > --R > > -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Wilton and Crabs
Did you use the cross wind crabbing gear for cross wind take-offs as well? Dad's Cessna 195 had Goodyear Crosswind gear on the mains - they would caster out 25° if there was enough side load to take them out of the detent. They sometimes evens castered out while taxiing - scare a few passengers that way! I don't remember them ever castering out on take off though. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:12 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: > Crosswind crab is limited to 20° left or right of center. > > Wilton > OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT XP question Yay Russ!
So, what did you have to give the automated voice system to get a valid activation key? I tried the alternative desktops to access the real aplications hosted on Terminal Server a couple of times. The systems were rock solid, but the users rebelled and we were back the flavor of then year desktop with fat client apps as before. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Russ is right (again) > > XP activated, not over the internet, but over the phone. It is 100% > automated. Because these are the 10 machine license through technet, but > it has been installed on dozens, if not hundreds of computers, it won't > activate over the internet. The automated phone system used used to crap > out for the same reason. THen you'd end up talking to some kid in india > who would read off the activations numbers. > > They have updated the automated phone system so that it works, and you > don't have to talk to the indian. > > I beat the 140-some updates by turning off automatic updates in the > install. I downloaded SP2 and SP3 network install versions (which I should > have done long ago) so those will take care of a lot of the updates. I > have people mosly trained to not use IE, so I don't need IE updates. > Orifice will no longer be loaded, so no need for those updates. Libre > office will solve that problem. Once I get email recovered form Outlook > (trash) then I can get thunderbird working and move mail there.Once > this machine is working, then similar stuff can be done to the other > machines. > > At that point, the only M$ will be the OS in preparation for moving away > from the MS desktop. once people learn libre office and thunderbird, they > they can learn *buntu and we will be away from the M$ desktop. > >> >> -- >> > OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] 3:38
http://jalopnik.com/hilarious-mercedes-ad-proves-germans-have-a-sense-of-hu-1679422240 --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Libre Office?
Open Office seems dog slow compared to Libre O. I use LO on my macs and it does fine. --R On 1/14/15 5:26 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: So, what is it? I did a quick seach and what I read suggested it is sort of an offshoot of Open Office. Is there a difference, and if so what advantages are there? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT 1992 Ford F-150
AC BLOWS ICE COLD! --R On 1/14/15 12:13 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote: The fan is definitely blowing and moving air. It works on low all the way up to high ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Libre Office?
Open office was owned by sun, and it is a dead end. Some frogs picked up the pieces, and continued on. That is libre office. it is free and up to date and more useful than open office. It is quite nice. try it. libreoffice.org It comes preinstalled on ubuntu. I think the frinchie goobermnt does not like micro$oft, so is supportive of all open source. So, what is it? I did a quick seach and what I read suggested it is sort of an offshoot of Open Office. Is there a difference, and if so what advantages are there? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Libre Office?
So, what is it? I did a quick seach and what I read suggested it is sort of an offshoot of Open Office. Is there a difference, and if so what advantages are there? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Best Linux Distro for P4 boxes?
On Jan 8, 2015 6:27 PM, "Curly McLain via Mercedes" wrote: > > I am going to revive an old topic. I tried loading the latest ubuntu on a P4 box, and it choked for 2 reasons. Ubuntu is intended to be a user friendly Linux, and has the overhead to achieve it. Something from the correct era, like CentOS or Debian, will be more difficult to administer but should feel less strained. I have installed CentOS 4 and 5 on P4 and Celeron machines with good results, though usually without X. I am using Fedora as a desktop at work. It runs well, though the machine is pretty beefy. Might be worth checking out if CentOS doesn't have software you need. On a related note, you might think hard about replacing those systems if they are going to be on most of the time. I figured the power cost for replacing my old Xeon, and the payback was pretty short. > Is there a better linux to use for RDP connections to a terminal server (2003 or 2008 winders)? I am thinking the lag is because it installed with winders, and did not make a separate partition as red hat used to. I would reformat. The disk will be slower if it isn't ext3 or so. You may have been running off the CD, which will certainly be laggy... > I anticipate the main use to be to connect to a server via RDP. But some Libre office applications may be run locally. The Java Office apps take a long time to load, in my experience. Once they are up they are tolerable, but personally I'd rather run the real thing (well, 2003 maybe) in Wine. Any distribution should have rdesktop, which should work fine as long as you have the domain security stuff off. > While on the RDP subject: Can I install VNC everywhere and avoid the terminal Server per seat licensing? Will it be a huge security risk to run VNC? You can use VNC without security concerns, but in my experience (rather dated) performance is unusably poor. I use RDP, and SSH with remote X on Unix. TightVNC or RealVNC may be good enough for your users now, though. > because the digital video cards are not supported by lose7 (winders) I have been able to use XP drivers on Windows 7 in most cases. > 7 is no improvement, I love W7 (professional, never used home). On the same machine it booted faster, and did about 10% better than XP transcoding video. It also seems to handle memory better long term. I have all the animations and whatever off, of course. > The only reason the precision 360 video cards, (one is a quattro FX) I thought all the Nvidia cards had a monolithic driver that installed on any Windows. They also have a closed source Linux driver, though if you are only doing rdesktop you will probably be happy with the open source drivers. I have two Nvidia cards in my Fedora box at work. > Winders 2000, though incomplete is still the best OS that M$ ever built. I have a TRS80 model 100, found it the other day at the bottom of a tool box. Booted right up. Microsoft, 1982, and four AA batteries. > Some of the imacs are getting cheap enough that I seriously thought about buying them for the RDC clients and just dumping all the dell stuff. Much less hassle running old Macs, although they are getting bad too. I know a lot of folks love Macs here, but I have had the same kinds of problems with old Macs that I've had with old enterprise desktops. In aggregate I wouldn't consider them any more reliable than a decent x86 system running Linux. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT - Best Linux Distro for P4 boxes?
On Jan 8, 2015 6:27 PM, "Curly McLain via Mercedes" wrote: > > I am going to revive an old topic. I tried loading the latest ubuntu on a P4 box, and it choked for 2 reasons. Ubuntu is intended to be a user friendly Linux, and has the overhead to achieve it. Something from the correct era, like CentOS or Debian, will be more difficult to administer but should feel less strained. I have installed CentOS 4 and 5 on P4 and Celeron machines with good results, though usually without X. I am using Fedora as a desktop at work. It runs well, though the machine is pretty beefy. Might be worth checking out if CentOS doesn't have software you need. On a related note, you might think hard about replacing those systems if they are going to be on most of the time. I figured the power cost for replacing my old Xeon, and the payback was pretty short. > Is there a better linux to use for RDP connections to a terminal server (2003 or 2008 winders)? I am thinking the lag is because it installed with winders, and did not make a separate partition as red hat used to. I would reformat. The disk will be slower if it isn't ext3 or so. You may have been running off the CD, which will certainly be laggy... > I anticipate the main use to be to connect to a server via RDP. But some Libre office applications may be run locally. The Java Office apps take a long time to load, in my experience. Once they are up they are tolerable, but personally I'd rather run the real thing (well, 2003 maybe) in Wine. Any distribution should have rdesktop, which should work fine as long as you have the domain security stuff off. > While on the RDP subject: Can I install VNC everywhere and avoid the terminal Server per seat licensing? Will it be a huge security risk to run VNC? You can use VNC without security concerns, but in my experience (rather dated) performance is unusably poor. I use RDP, and SSH with remote X on Unix. TightVNC or RealVNC may be good enough for your users now, though. > because the digital video cards are not supported by lose7 (winders) I have been able to use XP drivers on Windows 7 in most cases. > 7 is no improvement, I love W7 (professional, never used home). On the same machine it booted faster, and did about 10% better than XP transcoding video. It also seems to handle memory better long term. I have all the animations and whatever off, of course. > The only reason the precision 360 video cards, (one is a quattro FX) I thought all the Nvidia cards had a monolithic driver that installed on any Windows. They also have a closed source Linux driver, though if you are only doing rdesktop you will probably be happy with the open source drivers. I have two Nvidia cards in my Fedora box at work. > Winders 2000, though incomplete is still the best OS that M$ ever built. I have a TRS80 model 100, found it the other day at the bottom of a tool box. Booted right up. Microsoft, 1982, and four AA batteries. > Some of the imacs are getting cheap enough that I seriously thought about buying them for the RDC clients and just dumping all the dell stuff. Much less hassle running old Macs, although they are getting bad too. I know a lot of folks love Macs here, but I have had the same kinds of problems with old Macs that I've had with old enterprise desktops. In aggregate I wouldn't consider them any more reliable than a decent x86 system running Linux. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Wilton and Crabs
You should post a correction there. Dan Sent from my iPad > On Jan 14, 2015, at 4:12 PM, WILTON via Mercedes > wrote: > > Crosswind crab is limited to 20° left or right of center. > > Wilton > > - Original Message - From: "WILTON via Mercedes" > > To: "Dan Penoff" ; "Mercedes Discussion List" > > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:53 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wilton and Crabs > > >> The FOUR main landing gear "trucks" swivel. Ya don't dial in "runway >> heading," ya dial in degrees left or right of cross-wind crab to compensate >> for drift and keep gear aligned with runway heading. As wind changes, ya >> hafta change the cross-wind crab setting manually. If ya make a series of >> touch-and-go landings, ya hafta check and set cross-wind crab as necessary >> for each landing. >> >> Wilton >> >> - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" >> >> To: "Mercedes List" >> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:21 PM >> Subject: [MBZ] Wilton and Crabs >> >> >>> Cool: >>> >>> http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/this-video-shows-that-you-dont-fly-a-b-52-you-wrestle-i-1678846593 >>> >>> Dan >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >>> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner >>> has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has >> no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Wilton and Crabs
Crosswind crab is limited to 20° left or right of center. Wilton - Original Message - From: "WILTON via Mercedes" To: "Dan Penoff" ; "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wilton and Crabs The FOUR main landing gear "trucks" swivel. Ya don't dial in "runway heading," ya dial in degrees left or right of cross-wind crab to compensate for drift and keep gear aligned with runway heading. As wind changes, ya hafta change the cross-wind crab setting manually. If ya make a series of touch-and-go landings, ya hafta check and set cross-wind crab as necessary for each landing. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes List" Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:21 PM Subject: [MBZ] Wilton and Crabs Cool: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/this-video-shows-that-you-dont-fly-a-b-52-you-wrestle-i-1678846593 Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Wilton and Crabs
The FOUR main landing gear "trucks" swivel. Ya don't dial in "runway heading," ya dial in degrees left or right of cross-wind crab to compensate for drift and keep gear aligned with runway heading. As wind changes, ya hafta change the cross-wind crab setting manually. If ya make a series of touch-and-go landings, ya hafta check and set cross-wind crab as necessary for each landing. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes List" Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:21 PM Subject: [MBZ] Wilton and Crabs Cool: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/this-video-shows-that-you-dont-fly-a-b-52-you-wrestle-i-1678846593 Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Cell Phones was Re: Ubuntu question
Original Message From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 10:36 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Mitch Haley Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: > Now I am one of the trogs that insists on using a (once again trendy) > flip phone. I did break down and accept a used iphone 4 for christmas. > I intend to use it as an ipod touch and for things like the automotive >> apps. The voice quality is so >>much better on a "dumb" phone >>made by >> motorola. > >As for Android, iPhone, etc, they >make nice toys, but there's no >way I'd use >a >mini supercomputer full of >spyware as a phone. For voice quality, nothing beats a land line. For cell phone security, nothing beats a BlackBerry. Hence, I still have a land line, and this is being typed on a BlackBerry. Most "apps" are actually mobile Web sites, so if I want, say, the KBB "app", I save a link on the desktop of the phone. All of the apps on the BlackBerry have permissions, however the user can turn them off, or on, at his or her discretion. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT XP question Yay Russ!
Original Message From: Curly McLain via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:11 PM once people learn libre >office and >thunderbird, they they can learn >*buntu and we will be away from >the >M$ desktop. Good for you,(attaboy) and good for them. I had an Ubuntu program on my last box that moved the maximize, minimize, and close window buttons to the upper right hand corner of the open window, as opposed to the upper left. I will see if I can find it, and I will post a link. I had that machine's desktop setup darn near like an XP machine. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT XP question Yay Russ!
Russ is right (again) XP activated, not over the internet, but over the phone. It is 100% automated. Because these are the 10 machine license through technet, but it has been installed on dozens, if not hundreds of computers, it won't activate over the internet. The automated phone system used used to crap out for the same reason. THen you'd end up talking to some kid in india who would read off the activations numbers. They have updated the automated phone system so that it works, and you don't have to talk to the indian. I beat the 140-some updates by turning off automatic updates in the install. I downloaded SP2 and SP3 network install versions (which I should have done long ago) so those will take care of a lot of the updates. I have people mosly trained to not use IE, so I don't need IE updates. Orifice will no longer be loaded, so no need for those updates. Libre office will solve that problem. Once I get email recovered form Outlook (trash) then I can get thunderbird working and move mail there.Once this machine is working, then similar stuff can be done to the other machines. At that point, the only M$ will be the OS in preparation for moving away from the MS desktop. once people learn libre office and thunderbird, they they can learn *buntu and we will be away from the M$ desktop. Worked over the internet. On Tue,1/13/15 21:24, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Did it work over the internet, or did you have to call in? Last ones I've done have to call in. As soon as I get the indian on the phone, he gives me the key with no problem. It phones home to activate now whether only on one __ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 300D
Dang, caught me again... -Curt From: Craig via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:36:03 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > I suspect an OM61x car would tolerate the 0w40 better but needs it less > as they'll start when its much colder. -Curt I think you mean OM60x. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 300D
On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:36:03 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > I suspect an OM61x car would tolerate the 0w40 better but needs it less > as they'll start when its much colder. -Curt I think you mean OM60x. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] UPDATE specific MB suggestions
Nope, no sarcasm - On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > That’s it exactly. I assume you were not being sarcastic. Tone is > difficult to interpret in writing. > > From: OK Don [mailto:okd...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 5:51 PM > To: Donald Snook; Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] UPDATE specific MB suggestions > > Amazing :-) What a good decision. Drive the value out of it while saving > for the replacement. > > -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Wilton and Crabs
Cool: http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/this-video-shows-that-you-dont-fly-a-b-52-you-wrestle-i-1678846593 Dan Sent from my iPad ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT 1992 Ford F-150
What about the heater valve on the heater hose (I presume it is on the hose. most are. Some, like the 110,111,112 MB chassis have the valve in the heater) As owner of 3 F350's and one F450 all in the same year range as your F150, I'll step in with some experience. Ford used the same HVAC system on all the F models so should be good. First, check at the firewall, passenger side, almost under the hood hinge. There is a small vacuum pot there that opens the blend doors. Very often the hard vacuum line that goes to that pot is cracked, or the rubber tube that connects it is cracked from engine heat and age. If the line and hose is good, start the engine and have your helper turn on heat then air while you watch for vacuum pot operation. If it doesn't move, it's failed. Move it by hand and hold it in position [I use a tie wrap for solo test]. Then check for heat flow inside. If that test fails, your options go to the blend door it's self inside the cover under the glove compartment. Since you are not getting hot or cold air.. I suspect that has failed closed. Are you getting any air flow out the vents? Defrost vents blowing even cold air? Can you hear the fan running? Fan failure is another common fault. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT XP question
OK, thanks. My 2003 oriface is from a technet subscription, as is most of my XP licenses. They may have shut down those editions. who knows? I am currently installing a clean install of XP. I will find out Worked over the internet. On Tue,1/13/15 21:24, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Did it work over the internet, or did you have to call in? Last ones I've done have to call in. As soon as I get the indian on the phone, he gives me the key with no problem. It phones home to activate now whether only on one ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Charlotte
No, company meeting. We did have dinner out at the track club house last night and got rides in the pace cars around the track Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2015, at 12:34 PM, WILTON wrote: > > Makin' a NASCAR deal? > > Wilton > > - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" > > Cc: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:59 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Charlotte > > >> Yes nc >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 14, 2015, at 8:15 AM, WILTON wrote: >>> >>> I'm assuming NC, not MI. >>> >>> Wilton >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" >>> >>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 10:37 PM >>> Subject: [MBZ] Charlotte >>> >>> I forgot to mention I am in Charlotte till Thursday. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has >> no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Charlotte
I'm only here till mid day Thursday. I'm in meetings all day anyway. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2015, at 12:21 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Thanks for correcting me Wilton! > > Kaleb, I'd be interested in a get-together, if you can stay through Saturday. > Would need to put a request in to the Chairman of the Social Committee right > quick though. > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston, SC > >> On January 14, 2015 11:35:00 AM EST, WILTON via Mercedes >> wrote: >> I live in GOLDSboro, NC, 200 miles east of Charlotte, NC. Daughter >> lives in >> Charlotte. >> >> Wilton >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:59 AM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Charlotte >> >> >>> We should have had an okieq >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:03 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Tim Crone is very close if not in Charlotte? Wilton is just north a >> bit. Rich and I are just a few hours south. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, >> those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list >> owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, >> those >>> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list >> owner >>> has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list >> owner has no control over the content of the messages of each >> contributor. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 300D
Cold starts is certainly a part of it but what pulled me to M1 was its
ability to withstand high temps better than standard oil. But it sure
is comforting to hear an engine spin easily when the car has been
outside all night and it's in the 20's - or colder;-)
LarryT
91 300D
On 1/14/2015 11:36 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
Almost certainly this is the crux of the thing. The time for synthetic oil is
when you NEED the car to start when its cold out.If it were to be very cold out
I'd want a 5w or even 0w in the engine. I used M1 0w40 some in my '83 240D but
the engine was loud and it leak/consumed it bad, 5w40 was a better compromise
in that car. I suspect an OM61x car would tolerate the 0w40 better but needs it
less as they'll start when its much colder.
-Curt
From: Donald Snook via Mercedes
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D
Maybe it didn't matter which oil was in it as long as it was changed regularly and the other maintenance like valve adjustments was also done?
Don Snook
2000 BMW 740iL (215K)
2006 Cadillac SRX (her car)
1992 Ford F-150 ("the Truck")
-Original Message-
From: arche...@embarqmail.com [mailto:arche...@embarqmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:03 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D
G: The '83 300D I bought in 2000 had had Amsoil in its crankcase for the first
180,000 miles. The next 120,000 it had Mobil 1 except for a year or so of Delo.
The mechanic who finished putting on the chain when I broke my hip, said it was
in great shape. It still starts at the touch of the key. The Amsoil certainly
didn't hurt it.
--
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 7:52 PM, LarryT via Mercedes
wrote:
The debate concerning Amsoil Vs Mobil 1 will likely continue for a long
time. As far as buying Amsoil - it can be bought from the website
(Amsoil.com) in 2 ways. You can become a "dealer" for a short time for a
reduced price and buy the oil and other products at wholesale prices. If
you prefer not to do that I can sell it to you.
Even paying the dealer fee gets the oil for less than buying retail.
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Re: [MBZ] RBV - was: UPDATE specific MB suggestions
I tried justifying the motorcycle vs. car thing for a couple of years. Didn't work out in the long run. Not just because of the cost, but it was inconvenient. I also had concerns about the safety aspect long term, too. Dan Sent from my iPad > On Jan 14, 2015, at 1:28 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes > wrote: > > Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: > >> The problem is of course that it is expensive and somewhat difficult to have >> a specific vehicle for eash purpose. > > Even with the low cost of liability insurance, I couldn't justify a 70mpg > motorcycle for warm weather driver only trips when I did the math vs a 30mpg > car when gas was $4 a gallon. The higher per mile maintenance cost of the > motorcycle, along with the cost of insuring another vehicle, made it a > breakeven proposition at best. I guess that explains why the last year I rode > a motorcycle was also the first year I owned a car. > > Mitch. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] RBV - was: UPDATE specific MB suggestions
Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: The problem is of course that it is expensive and somewhat difficult to have a specific vehicle for eash purpose. Even with the low cost of liability insurance, I couldn't justify a 70mpg motorcycle for warm weather driver only trips when I did the math vs a 30mpg car when gas was $4 a gallon. The higher per mile maintenance cost of the motorcycle, along with the cost of insuring another vehicle, made it a breakeven proposition at best. I guess that explains why the last year I rode a motorcycle was also the first year I owned a car. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] RBV - was: UPDATE specific MB suggestions
On 13/01/2015 7:28 PM, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: Absolutely right - not ridiculously big if you NEED that much room/haul capacity. I rarely see one used for that. Wilton The problem is of course that it is expensive and somewhat difficult to have a specific vehicle for eash purpose. I drove my Suburban around a lot by myself because I could not justify another vehicle for my daily transportation. We used the "burban" as my sons called it for family purposes but it also had to carry me back and forth to the office. Just like the F150 does now. I drive the old MB as much as I can in the summer but this time of year it is the truck. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Charlotte
Makin' a NASCAR deal? Wilton - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" Cc: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Charlotte Yes nc Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2015, at 8:15 AM, WILTON wrote: I'm assuming NC, not MI. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 10:37 PM Subject: [MBZ] Charlotte I forgot to mention I am in Charlotte till Thursday. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Charlotte
Thanks for correcting me Wilton! Kaleb, I'd be interested in a get-together, if you can stay through Saturday. Would need to put a request in to the Chairman of the Social Committee right quick though. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC On January 14, 2015 11:35:00 AM EST, WILTON via Mercedes wrote: >I live in GOLDSboro, NC, 200 miles east of Charlotte, NC. Daughter >lives in >Charlotte. > >Wilton > >- Original Message - >From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" >To: "Mercedes Discussion List" >Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:59 AM >Subject: Re: [MBZ] Charlotte > > >> We should have had an okieq >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:03 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> Tim Crone is very close if not in Charlotte? Wilton is just north a >bit. >>> >>> Rich and I are just a few hours south. >>> -- >>> Max Dillon >>> Charleston, SC >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, >those >>> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list >owner >>> has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, >those >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list >owner >> has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com > >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list >owner has no control over the content of the messages of each >contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT 1992 Ford F-150
The fan is definitely blowing and moving air. It works on low all the way up to high. I can’t remember if the air flow switched to the defrost or not. I’ll try it again tonight. From: G Mann [mailto:g2ma...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 11:10 AM To: Donald Snook; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT 1992 Ford F-150 As owner of 3 F350's and one F450 all in the same year range as your F150, I'll step in with some experience. Ford used the same HVAC system on all the F models so should be good. First, check at the firewall, passenger side, almost under the hood hinge. There is a small vacuum pot there that opens the blend doors. Very often the hard vacuum line that goes to that pot is cracked, or the rubber tube that connects it is cracked from engine heat and age. If the line and hose is good, start the engine and have your helper turn on heat then air while you watch for vacuum pot operation. If it doesn't move, it's failed. Move it by hand and hold it in position [I use a tie wrap for solo test]. Then check for heat flow inside. If that test fails, your options go to the blend door it's self inside the cover under the glove compartment. Since you are not getting hot or cold air.. I suspect that has failed closed. Are you getting any air flow out the vents? Defrost vents blowing even cold air? Can you hear the fan running? Fan failure is another common fault. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote: I know a few folks on here have older Ford Pickups or had them previously. So, here is a question for them. I have a 1992 Ford F-150. I bought it last summer because my wife and I were going to a lot of estate sales and it seemed like we were constantly needing a truck. It's a decent truck with 144,000 miles. The body is straight and rust free. It needs a few things, but for the most part, it will just be used occasionally for hauling or moving stuff. BUT, it has NO heat. The fan comes on, but never gets warm. I checked the coolant and it is full. I suppose I could start with a thermostat. It seems like I remember something on the blend doors (I may be using the wrong term) on some old fords. Is that an issue on these? What else could it be? The a/c also doesn't work. When it was hot, I turned the a/c on and it didn't cool. I checked and the clutch wasn't turning on the compressor. So, I gave it a tap and the clutch started turning. But, it never cooled. I filled it with 134. But, never did get cool. The a/c is obviously a non-issue for a while. But, NO heat is a little rough this time of year. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT 1992 Ford F-150
As owner of 3 F350's and one F450 all in the same year range as your F150, I'll step in with some experience. Ford used the same HVAC system on all the F models so should be good. First, check at the firewall, passenger side, almost under the hood hinge. There is a small vacuum pot there that opens the blend doors. Very often the hard vacuum line that goes to that pot is cracked, or the rubber tube that connects it is cracked from engine heat and age. If the line and hose is good, start the engine and have your helper turn on heat then air while you watch for vacuum pot operation. If it doesn't move, it's failed. Move it by hand and hold it in position [I use a tie wrap for solo test]. Then check for heat flow inside. If that test fails, your options go to the blend door it's self inside the cover under the glove compartment. Since you are not getting hot or cold air.. I suspect that has failed closed. Are you getting any air flow out the vents? Defrost vents blowing even cold air? Can you hear the fan running? Fan failure is another common fault. On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I know a few folks on here have older Ford Pickups or had them > previously. So, here is a question for them. I have a 1992 Ford F-150. > I bought it last summer because my wife and I were going to a lot of estate > sales and it seemed like we were constantly needing a truck. It's a decent > truck with 144,000 miles. The body is straight and rust free. It needs a > few things, but for the most part, it will just be used occasionally for > hauling or moving stuff. BUT, it has NO heat. The fan comes on, but never > gets warm. I checked the coolant and it is full. I suppose I could start > with a thermostat. It seems like I remember something on the blend doors (I > may be using the wrong term) on some old fords. Is that an issue on > these? What else could it be? > > The a/c also doesn't work. When it was hot, I turned the a/c on and it > didn't cool. I checked and the clutch wasn't turning on the compressor. > So, I gave it a tap and the clutch started turning. But, it never cooled. > I filled it with 134. But, never did get cool. The a/c is obviously a > non-issue for a while. But, NO heat is a little rough this time of year. > > > Donald H. Snook > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT XP question
Worked over the internet. On Tue,1/13/15 21:24, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Did it work over the internet, or did you have to call in? Last ones I've done have to call in. As soon as I get the indian on the phone, he gives me the key with no problem. It phones home to activate now whether only on one ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4260/8926 - Release Date: 01/13/15 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT 1992 Ford F-150
'92 should be old enough to work on yourself. Find the heater hoses where they go through the firewall and find out if they get hot. Might also see if the radiator hose coming out of the thermostat gets hot. If those two are no then start with a thermostat which should be pretty easy.If those two are yes then look for something under the dash From: Donald Snook via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 11:50 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT 1992 Ford F-150 I know a few folks on here have older Ford Pickups or had them previously. So, here is a question for them. I have a 1992 Ford F-150. I bought it last summer because my wife and I were going to a lot of estate sales and it seemed like we were constantly needing a truck. It's a decent truck with 144,000 miles. The body is straight and rust free. It needs a few things, but for the most part, it will just be used occasionally for hauling or moving stuff. BUT, it has NO heat. The fan comes on, but never gets warm. I checked the coolant and it is full. I suppose I could start with a thermostat. It seems like I remember something on the blend doors (I may be using the wrong term) on some old fords. Is that an issue on these? What else could it be? The a/c also doesn't work. When it was hot, I turned the a/c on and it didn't cool. I checked and the clutch wasn't turning on the compressor. So, I gave it a tap and the clutch started turning. But, it never cooled. I filled it with 134. But, never did get cool. The a/c is obviously a non-issue for a while. But, NO heat is a little rough this time of year. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT 1992 Ford F-150
I know a few folks on here have older Ford Pickups or had them previously. So, here is a question for them. I have a 1992 Ford F-150. I bought it last summer because my wife and I were going to a lot of estate sales and it seemed like we were constantly needing a truck. It's a decent truck with 144,000 miles. The body is straight and rust free. It needs a few things, but for the most part, it will just be used occasionally for hauling or moving stuff. BUT, it has NO heat. The fan comes on, but never gets warm. I checked the coolant and it is full. I suppose I could start with a thermostat. It seems like I remember something on the blend doors (I may be using the wrong term) on some old fords. Is that an issue on these? What else could it be? The a/c also doesn't work. When it was hot, I turned the a/c on and it didn't cool. I checked and the clutch wasn't turning on the compressor. So, I gave it a tap and the clutch started turning. But, it never cooled. I filled it with 134. But, never did get cool. The a/c is obviously a non-issue for a while. But, NO heat is a little rough this time of year. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Suburban - was: specific MB suggestions
Horse people are very fadish and one up. So if you want to win horse shows, you have to show up with the best looking rider, the most expensive horse, the most expensive tack, the biggest trailer with living quarters, and the biggest truck. OTR trucks with a short bed and lots of chrome make the best impression and get the most ribbons. (expensive = they tell everyone what is cost was outrageously expensive, or it looks more expensive than what everyone else has.) As an old cowboy/wrangler friend of mine once said, "I ain't seen a horse yet that can eat ribbons." The vehicles that I wonder about are the Ford Excursion. My stepdaughter rides Horses competitively. Whenever we have been to competitions, the arena parking lots are full of Ford Excursions pulling huge horse trailers. I talked to one of the other parents that had one and he said they are very popular among the "horse folk" because they can tow so much and they have room for a lot of people. In fact used prices on the Excursions has started to go up. This is especially true for the Diesels. But, the V10's are still very popular too. I think there might be a real market for buying old Excursions, restoring them and reselling them. But, it could just be a fad. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Charlotte
Mitch Haley lives in Charlotte (Char-LOWT), MI. Wilton - Original Message - From: "WILTON via Mercedes" To: "Max Dillon" ; "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Charlotte Tim lives in Chapel Hill, NC, almost Durham. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Max Dillon via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Charlotte Tim Crone is very close if not in Charlotte? Wilton is just north a bit. Rich and I are just a few hours south. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 300D
Almost certainly this is the crux of the thing. The time for synthetic oil is
when you NEED the car to start when its cold out.If it were to be very cold out
I'd want a 5w or even 0w in the engine. I used M1 0w40 some in my '83 240D but
the engine was loud and it leak/consumed it bad, 5w40 was a better compromise
in that car. I suspect an OM61x car would tolerate the 0w40 better but needs it
less as they'll start when its much colder.
-Curt
From: Donald Snook via Mercedes
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D
Maybe it didn't matter which oil was in it as long as it was changed regularly
and the other maintenance like valve adjustments was also done?
Don Snook
2000 BMW 740iL (215K)
2006 Cadillac SRX (her car)
1992 Ford F-150 ("the Truck")
-Original Message-
From: arche...@embarqmail.com [mailto:arche...@embarqmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:03 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D
G: The '83 300D I bought in 2000 had had Amsoil in its crankcase for the first
180,000 miles. The next 120,000 it had Mobil 1 except for a year or so of Delo.
The mechanic who finished putting on the chain when I broke my hip, said it was
in great shape. It still starts at the touch of the key. The Amsoil certainly
didn't hurt it.
--
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 7:52 PM, LarryT via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> > The debate concerning Amsoil Vs Mobil 1 will likely continue for a long
> > time. As far as buying Amsoil - it can be bought from the website
> > (Amsoil.com) in 2 ways. You can become a "dealer" for a short time for a
> > reduced price and buy the oil and other products at wholesale prices. If
> > you prefer not to do that I can sell it to you.
> >
> > Even paying the dealer fee gets the oil for less than buying retail.
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Re: [MBZ] Charlotte
I live in GOLDSboro, NC, 200 miles east of Charlotte, NC. Daughter lives in Charlotte. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Charlotte We should have had an okieq Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:03 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote: Tim Crone is very close if not in Charlotte? Wilton is just north a bit. Rich and I are just a few hours south. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Ubuntu question
Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: Now I am one of the trogs that insists on using a (once again trendy) flip phone. I did break down and accept a used iphone 4 for christmas. I intend to use it as an ipod touch and for things like the automotive apps. The voice quality is so much better on a "dumb" phone made by motorola. I keep wanting something sleek and thin, keep going back to the V860 Barrage. As for Android, iPhone, etc, they make nice toys, but there's no way I'd use a mini supercomputer full of spyware as a phone. Always fun browsing the app store: "in order to install Netflix, you need to give permission to Netflix to know where you are, when you're on a phone call and the number of the phone you're talking to, plus your left testicle and your first born child..." Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Charlotte
Tim lives in Chapel Hill, NC, almost Durham. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Max Dillon via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Charlotte Tim Crone is very close if not in Charlotte? Wilton is just north a bit. Rich and I are just a few hours south. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 300D
Maybe it didn't matter which oil was in it as long as it was changed regularly
and the other maintenance like valve adjustments was also done?
Don Snook
2000 BMW 740iL (215K)
2006 Cadillac SRX (her car)
1992 Ford F-150 ("the Truck")
-Original Message-
From: arche...@embarqmail.com [mailto:arche...@embarqmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 9:03 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D
G: The '83 300D I bought in 2000 had had Amsoil in its crankcase for the first
180,000 miles. The next 120,000 it had Mobil 1 except for a year or so of Delo.
The mechanic who finished putting on the chain when I broke my hip, said it was
in great shape. It still starts at the touch of the key. The Amsoil certainly
didn't hurt it.
--
> On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 7:52 PM, LarryT via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
> > The debate concerning Amsoil Vs Mobil 1 will likely continue for a long
> > time. As far as buying Amsoil - it can be bought from the website
> > (Amsoil.com) in 2 ways. You can become a "dealer" for a short time for a
> > reduced price and buy the oil and other products at wholesale prices. If
> > you prefer not to do that I can sell it to you.
> >
> > Even paying the dealer fee gets the oil for less than buying retail.
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Re: [MBZ] Suburban - was: specific MB suggestions
The vehicles that I wonder about are the Ford Excursion. My stepdaughter rides Horses competitively. Whenever we have been to competitions, the arena parking lots are full of Ford Excursions pulling huge horse trailers. I talked to one of the other parents that had one and he said they are very popular among the "horse folk" because they can tow so much and they have room for a lot of people. In fact used prices on the Excursions has started to go up. This is especially true for the Diesels. But, the V10's are still very popular too. I think there might be a real market for buying old Excursions, restoring them and reselling them. But, it could just be a fad. -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 8:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Suburban - was: specific MB suggestions The escalade is the same as a Tahoe, not suburban. I am looking for another suburban, and actually am supposed to have a deal on a diesel suburban when I get back to town Sent from my iPhone On Jan 13, 2015, at 7:41 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: >> Andrew wrote: >> >> Wat do people think of the Chevy Suburban? More or less hideous than >> an Escalade? > > What year? The "Suburban" name under the Chevrolet label has been in > continuous production since 1934. > > The car isn't bad. The type of trim and the demographics of the > purchasers of the Escalade have created a stereotype. But the car > itself is the same as the GMC Yukon and the Chevrolet Suburban - and > all are decent. I think even Holden has sold one. > > There there are the Suburbans by Chrysler, Studebaker, Nash, and the > Suburban-like Travelall by International. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] UPDATE specific MB suggestions
That’s it exactly. I assume you were not being sarcastic. Tone is difficult to interpret in writing. From: OK Don [mailto:okd...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 5:51 PM To: Donald Snook; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] UPDATE specific MB suggestions Amazing :-) What a good decision. Drive the value out of it while saving for the replacement. On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote: Well, I have searched and thought and considered. I have decided not to buy a car. I am just going to put a little money in the BMW -- new tires, some minor maintenance, and detail it. What I really want is either a black S Class in great shape and lots of service records or another 7 Series that has been taken care of. Maybe I can get my BMW to 250,000 miles! -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] UPDATE specific MB suggestions
I would LOVE to have a Suburban. BUT, it would be pointless for me. Most of the time, my vehicle carries just me or me and my spouse. Sometimes we might have us and two kids. But, I couldn't justify a Suburban. BUT, I sure do like them. Now, if I get a boat sometime, then I'll be looking for a Suburban. -Original Message- From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 2:07 PM To: Curt Raymond; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] UPDATE specific MB suggestions Wat do people think of the Chevy Suburban? More or less hideous than an Escalade? On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > "Listen fool, Mr. T don't need no fake tan!" > -Curt > From: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> > To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 2:21 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] UPDATE specific MB suggestions > > >To drive an Escalade you need big gold chains and fake tan. Your wife > >would have to start putting on makeup with a trowel. Then you have to > >learn to drive like a moron... > >-Curt > > What if you already look and dress like Mr. T? > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list > owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Charlotte
We should have had an okieq Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:03 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Tim Crone is very close if not in Charlotte? Wilton is just north a bit. > > Rich and I are just a few hours south. > -- > Max Dillon > Charleston, SC > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Charlotte
Yes nc Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2015, at 8:15 AM, WILTON wrote: > > I'm assuming NC, not MI. > > Wilton > > - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 10:37 PM > Subject: [MBZ] Charlotte > > >> I forgot to mention I am in Charlotte till Thursday. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has >> no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Charlotte
Tim Crone is very close if not in Charlotte? Wilton is just north a bit. Rich and I are just a few hours south. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Charlotte
You know they pronounce them differently? In MI its Char-lotte, just to differentiate themselves I guess. Interesting place, thats where the Coleman Convention was last year. -Curt From: WILTON via Mercedes To: Kaleb C. Striplin ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Charlotte I'm assuming NC, not MI. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 10:37 PM Subject: [MBZ] Charlotte >I forgot to mention I am in Charlotte till Thursday. > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Charlotte
I'm assuming NC, not MI. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 10:37 PM Subject: [MBZ] Charlotte I forgot to mention I am in Charlotte till Thursday. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Suburban - was: specific MB suggestions
Dey a Eckscalade XL yo I puts my twennyfos on yo --R On 1/13/15 9:44 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote: The escalade is the same as a Tahoe, not suburban. I am looking for another suburban, and actually am supposed to have a deal on a diesel suburban when I get back to town Sent from my iPhone On Jan 13, 2015, at 7:41 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: Andrew wrote: Wat do people think of the Chevy Suburban? More or less hideous than an Escalade? What year? The "Suburban" name under the Chevrolet label has been in continuous production since 1934. The car isn't bad. The type of trim and the demographics of the purchasers of the Escalade have created a stereotype. But the car itself is the same as the GMC Yukon and the Chevrolet Suburban - and all are decent. I think even Holden has sold one. There there are the Suburbans by Chrysler, Studebaker, Nash, and the Suburban-like Travelall by International. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
